The NEW Build Your Own Arcade Controls
Main => Main Forum => Topic started by: FrizzleFried on October 18, 2007, 09:59:24 am
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Well, since the other Slik Stik thread got sent to hell, I figured I'd ask...
...has ANYONE heard from Christian regarding SS since the last post?
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still a machine answering...
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Although my SlikStik CP has been delayed, my dealings with SlikStik have been completely professional. They have offered to make substitutions in order to expedite things.
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Although my SlikStik CP has been delayed, my dealings with SlikStik have been completely professional. They have offered to make substitutions in order to expedite things.
It's to string you along. You might eventually get your product, but not after many delays, broken promises, and lots of nagging from your end. I hope you are one of the lucky ones and things go well, but don't allow yourself to be sweet talked into being overly forgiving each time they delay your order.
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One thing that I think would be helpful for people is if those folks who have had good or bad experiences with SlikStik (or any vendor) could post reviews in the wiki:
http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/SlikStik
http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Category:Rating
:)
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Well, since the other Slik Stik thread got sent to hell, I figured I'd ask...
...has ANYONE heard from Christian regarding SS since the last post?
I'll be contacting my bank tomorrow to have the charge reversed. As everyone pretty much predicted, my last e-mail went unanswered and my patience is exhausted.
In the future, I'll definitely be looking here on BYOAC to find someone to do the work for me that can stick to some sort of time frame.
Onyx
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Well, since the other Slik Stik thread got sent to hell, I figured I'd ask...
...has ANYONE heard from Christian regarding SS since the last post?
I'll be contacting my bank tomorrow to have the charge reversed. As everyone pretty much predicted, my last e-mail went unanswered and my patience is exhausted.
In the future, I'll definitely be looking here on BYOAC to find someone to do the work for me that can stick to some sort of time frame.
Onyx
Just email them with the words "FULL REFUND" in the subject line. They will respond and when they do, ask for a hard, no ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- date when they will ship with a tracking #. Tell them you want a full refund on that date (if you agree to the date) if your product doesn't ship. If they don't ship, ask for a refund from your bank. Tell SS you are going to do this. This is the only way I got my setup, of course my bank still ended up reversing the charges and now SS has to fight my bank for their money. Not really my problem at this point as I forwarded all the details to my bank and explained that they did ship my product months late. They just chose to fight them themselves.
At the end of the day, I really do like the panel, but the customer service sure did blow.
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This is really shocking.
Usually I heard that people would EVENTUALLY get their product. But to not answer the forum or people's calls/pleas is incredible.
Perhaps they are going down, so sad.
Kevin Steele did so much for them with the video reviews, and to many of us, Slikstik was the premiere choice for arcade goodness.
I myself am very proud of my Slikstik and will probably forever rob the design if I ever make something similar.
Oh well, there is an end to everything, and they had a good run. But like alot of people on here have said, there is no excuse for bad service. The last order I got, the tone was very different then my past experience. I was thinking...Dude do you not remember the many conversations we had? To skirt around on a 20 dollar order is insane. I got it, but only after at least a dozen followups. They made good and gave me something, but in the end, I felt defeated and mad. It wasn't worth it and my next order went directly to ebay. No hassle and I got what I wanted.
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Looks like they are starting to stiff people on ebay too. I just looked at their feedback and the last feedback is negative. The purchaser never received his order. I guess someone could check the court filings for NJ and see if they applied for bankruptcy. At least someone then might be able to go in and purchase their inventory or machinery they use at auction.
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I found this article. Weird to read Slikstik and bankruptcy in the same set of paragraphs. Damn this would be messed up.
Link (http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2MTkmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcxNzAyNDYmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk3)
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Well. they're still selling cp's on Craig's List. At least locally...
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/for/453683690.html (http://newjersey.craigslist.org/for/453683690.html)
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Well, since the other Slik Stik thread got sent to hell, I figured I'd ask...
...has ANYONE heard from Christian regarding SS since the last post?
I'll be contacting my bank tomorrow to have the charge reversed. As everyone pretty much predicted, my last e-mail went unanswered and my patience is exhausted.
In the future, I'll definitely be looking here on BYOAC to find someone to do the work for me that can stick to some sort of time frame.
Onyx
Just email them with the words "FULL REFUND" in the subject line. They will respond and when they do, ask for a hard, no ---Cleveland steamer--- date when they will ship with a tracking #.
stuff that. just ask for the refund. ever day, no every HOUR delayed is more chance of getting nothing back at all. just focus on getting your money back and forget about the product. it doesnt exist...
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Well, I don't know about that. They are a slooooooooooow company that is for sure, but many, many people have ordered from them and gotten their panels/cabs. What makes you think they are no longer around?
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Probably because they haven't answered anybody's messages, At All! And they disked an ebay buyer also. Usually when that happens they either died or they are closing. If they are filing bankruptcy then it is in their best interest not to contact anybody until they have actually filed. If I had sent them 1000.00 I would be driving to their office or home and confronting them in person. I'd walk away with either my money or their own personal cabinet or panel. When you confront people face to face it's hard for them to be cutthroat and still give you nothing.
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Wow I just sold my home built cabinet and was calling chris the last two days and no response. I love the way the slik stik cabinets look with the overlays. Anyone tell me what would be an alternative to slik stik. I have seen a bunch of the other pre fabed cabinets out there but none come close to the slikstik.
I did see http://www.jjscustomarcades.com/Quad.html which looks like slikstik controlpanels and I also saw http://arcadesrfun.com/ but hey use a LCD monitor which isnt what I am looking for.
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I just ordered my control panel from ArcadesRfun. I think the quality will be as good if not better than Slikstik. And it was a little cheaper than slikstik in the end with my added options. Checkout Mameworld maybe for a cabinet. Plus email any of them with what you want. Building the cabinet is the easy part in my opinion.
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Has anyone purchased a cabinet from any of the following places?
Arcadesrfun
Dream authentics
J&J custom arcades
really trying to find a alternative to slik stik
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I work with all of them and you really can't go wrong with any of the three, Jack, Rick or JJ, very honest, up front guys with top of the line products.
You may have a hard time finding individuals on this forum who have purchased full cabinets from them, since this is more of a DIY forum.
I would also check with JJ as far as CPs since he had been buying them from Slikstik. I am not sure if he is now getting them elsewhere, making his own or maybe he has a few in stock.
Scott
www.mamemarquees.com
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I love the way the slik stik cabinets look with the overlays. Anyone tell me what would be an alternative to slik stik.
AFAIK the overlays that slikstik was using came from MameMarquees. You can customize any cab you want with just about the same look.
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I still have yet gotten any response from them as well. I wish I didnt make the mistake using paypal to pay, I plan to complaign like hell to paypal for not helping with reversing the transaction. Its been since August and I havent gotten a single response since early September. Worst customer service ever.. :angry:
Im debating whether to drive over there next weekend with my cousin and a few people to the actual location, I'm only about an hour and a half away from where I am in NY
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Has anyone purchased a cabinet from any of the following places?
Arcadesrfun
Dream authentics
J&J custom arcades
really trying to find a alternative to slik stik
I have bought a JJ Monster 33" and found it to be a great build. They use the mameroom designs, with the slikstik control panel. Very good with the communications and friendly. I would give them a huge thumbs up. I'm sure that they can do their own contorl panels. For a pre-built I found the little touches nice. (Casters, pull out drawer, concealed on/off switch, volume control)
I have also done business with arcades are fun. They did a control panel for me. They do a recessed trackball + they put plexiglass over the art. They were awesome in answering emails. The only problem I had with them was lighting my trackball. I had to do it myself because they were out of stock on their lighting kits. I was impatient and just had a friend install one for me. Great craftsmanship, nice and the price was great for what they did for me. Looking at how well they did the control panel, I am very confindent that they could build an awesome cabinet.
If you were looking for a compromise, get the cabinet from JJ and the control panel from Arcade are Fun. :)
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I bought an arcade cabinet from Jack at ArcadesRFun last Christmas. It's been a great machine. A very fair price that included full cab and CP art and plexi cover; plus full customization and some other nice features; I've had a few minor performance / functionality issues here and there, and they've generally been pretty fast and responsive in addressing them.
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I originally was going to get a cab and panel from slikstik in the summer but came across arcades r fun while waiting for slikstik to get back to me about shipping (I'm in canada) and decided to go with Jack and am soooooooooo glad I did. First, he responds quickly to emails. Second, he will customize a panel for you at no charge and he slaps on the plexi glass and your choice of art covering from mamemarquee. Third, the finished product (I just received mine this week) looks fantastic and it was CHEAPER than a similar panel would have been from slikstik and that is with me adding higher quality stuff/extras to the panel from Jack.
Man, after reading this thread I truly am so thankful slikstik decided answering my shipping question wasn't worth their time (this on an order that would have been over $2k) because if they did I'd have most likely bought form them and would most likely be waiting for something that may or may not ever show up.
Anyway, I recommend Jack/Arcades R Fun. I had a minor two week delay from when he first gave as my delivery date but meh, it wasn't a biggie because he delivered a great product.
Personal attacks aren't necessary - edited by saint.
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For what it is worth I e-mailed Slik Stik this week with a question about the U360. They got back to me that same day. I realize this is not the same as a question on an order but I did think it was interesting they got back to me quickly.
I was asking about stainless steel pearl tops for the U360. They said they do not carry them. I like them based on the Retroblast review. Any idea where else I could find them for the U360?
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I ordered from Slikstick in July and have yet to recieve my control panel. The last e-mail I got from them was 2 weeks ago. and I have not heard from them since.. I sent 3 e-mails a day to them since and no response...I am starting to lose my patience, and thinking of calling me credit card company to reverse the charge.
Chris
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I am thankful for each and every one of you that have written, because I for one am steaming mad being a long time customer.
THIS IS CRAZY!!!
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I ordered a control panel from SlikStik in early August. I had been giving them the benefit of the doubt but I am running out of benefit.
Their communication was adequate until I asked for an anticipated ship date. Now my requests for status updates go unanswered. They charged my credit card the day that I placed the order.
Color me disappointed.
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i ordered a blank quad panel about 1 month ago. it arrived within 1 week. it may have actually been within 3 business days. i can't remember.
however, when i ordered... i made sure it was something they had in stock, on hand, ready to ship
custom cps seem take a long time i heard a couple people saying 1 - 2 months wait
i just wanted an empty box that i could fill with my own stuff asap :)
generic slikstik blank panel service = 2 thumbs up
custom service i duno if they are "managing expectations" appropriately
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Well, to add insult to injury, I called my credit card company and was told they would not reverse the charges. Unlike most major banks, mine only has 60 day coverage for these kind of transactions and since (at the time) it was around 88 days, I was out of luck.
On SlikStik's end, still no response to my e-mails and all I get at the phone number is an answering machine.
My bank suggested I go through the Better Business Bureau, so I went online and submitted all the required info to them. Just waiting for a response back although since the BBB can't do anything to compel vendors to offer refunds, I'll probably be waiting another month with no response. At that point, though, my last option is a lawsuit, which I hate doing (courts here in the U.S. are clogged with frivolous lawsuits), but I'm so soured on this whole experience that all I want is a refund.
On the plus side, I've decided to order a blank panel (probably from ArcadesRFun), plus all the other parts, and do the work myself. I'm actually kind of excited about it!
Joe
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Well, to add insult to injury, I called my credit card company and was told they would not reverse the charges. Unlike most major banks, mine only has 60 day coverage for these kind of transactions and since (at the time) it was around 88 days, I was out of luck.
On SlikStik's end, still no response to my e-mails and all I get at the phone number is an answering machine.
My bank suggested I go through the Better Business Bureau, so I went online and submitted all the required info to them. Just waiting for a response back although since the BBB can't do anything to compel vendors to offer refunds, I'll probably be waiting another month with no response. At that point, though, my last option is a lawsuit, which I hate doing (courts here in the U.S. are clogged with frivolous lawsuits), but I'm so soured on this whole experience that all I want is a refund.
On the plus side, I've decided to order a blank panel (probably from ArcadesRFun), plus all the other parts, and do the work myself. I'm actually kind of excited about it!
Joe
It takes about $25 and an hour of your time to file a small-claims lawsuit. If anything, perhaps it will spurr their asses to refund you in a more timely fashion?
I thought the 90 days rule was universal?!
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Slik Stik just put a new posting on Northern NJ craigslist today...
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/for/462798926.html (http://newjersey.craigslist.org/for/462798926.html)
For those not hearing back from them, you might try responding to this ad.
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Slik Stik just put a new posting on Northern NJ craigslist today...
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/for/462798926.html (http://newjersey.craigslist.org/for/462798926.html)
For those not hearing back from them, you might try responding to this ad.
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Frizz, I meant those who have ordered products and are being ignored can try that route. Did ya think I was telling people to order from them?!?!? :laugh2:
;D
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its pretty lame how they are keeping such a terrible balance between business development (doesn't ever stop:)), production (good quality but slow), project management (bad) and client relationship management (worse). i wonder how many people work at slikstik. they could use someone who is just the 'customer rep' and manages schedules.
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It resembles a Ponzi scheme - existing orders can only be fulfilled with the funding from new orders.
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I think Harpal took over as CEO... >:D
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Have something interesting to add:
Yesterday, I emailed SlikStik with the following email just to see if they would respond:
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:18:53 -0700 (PDT)
>HI,
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>I am interested in ordering a classic complete control
>panel, however I have read on a forum that there has
>been an issue regarding stocking trackballs. Has this
>issue been resolved? I would just like to make sure
>there isn't any unexpected delays as I would like to
>be up and in business by Christmas.
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>Thanks
I received a prompt response just minutes ago from the man himself, Christian:
We currently have trackballs in stock.
Thanks,
Christian
Team SlikStik
http://www.slikstik.com
So I am thinking Ponzi scheme sounds about right in this case. That is very scary that they forget about their paying clients as soon as money in hand, but respond immediately at the thought of stealing more money.
Oh, and for all of you pending waiting on a trackball, feel free to email Christian and tell him you know for a fact the "trackball shortage" was a crock of brown.
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On Oct. 11, 2007 I sent following question to Slikstik regarding their forums.
The forums are not working. Are you still supporting them for answers to questions?
On Oct 29, 2007 I received the following answer from SlikStik.
"No.
Team SlikStik
http://www.slikstik.com"
Make of that what you will. :dunno
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They Told Me 2 weeks ago that the trackball shortage was the reason for my delay. So I say if they have them in stock then why has my control panel not shipped yet...
Chris
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They Told Me 2 weeks ago that the trackball shortage was the reason for my delay. So I say if they have them in stock then why has my control panel not shipped yet...
Chris
Because that pain you are feeling in the vicinity of your backside is Christian giving you the hot beef injection... congratulations...you've been screwed!
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Ouch! Gotta hate those beef injections!
I'm curious if anybody has been totally screwed by Slikstik and never received the product that they paid for. Delays and credit card payment cancellations do not count.
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One would think that if it were only trackballs that were holding up a panel, you'd get the rest of the panel complete, set it aside and wait for the next shipment from Happ. (Or order from Divemaster or Ponyboy who seemed to not be affected by the 'shortage'.) Then when the balls came in, slap them in (we all know how long it takes to connect up a trackball), package everything up, and ship them on their merry way.
Another thing might be to not accept new orders if you are that far behind. Be upfront with your customers and they tend to be happier and more understanding.
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Yeah, sounds like the trackball issue was "caca" after all. Even if they did have an actual shortage, couldn't they have been upfront and let the customers know about the shortage and ask them if they wanted a substitute such as a Groovy Game Gear Trackball instead of the Happ?
Either way, the real reason their are delays (assuming you ordered and overlay) is because they have officially discontinued the overlays on their control panels. Exact quote from an e-mail, "... we currently discontinued them do to printer problems". (I had inquired about pricing)
And I checked their website, they still have the option of adding the overlay option onto your control panel! They have not removed it. So basically, you can still order it with the automated process and then... you guessed it, delays. :banghead:
My opinion: If they just hired ONE person who was dedicated solely to customer service and was able to at the minimum answer all e-mails, it would make a HUGE difference. The main reason that swayed me to switch to Arcades R Fun for example is not only the quality and better price, but most importantly customer service and support. You just feel right when Jack answers your e-mails. You feel that you are getting an honest opinion and that he's not in it for the money.
Feels different with SlikStik... a shame. :dunno
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I agree with you there.. I ordered mine with an overlay. So I called me credit card company today and ask if there was anything I can do.. they said that it was after there 115 day policy, So I missed getting it reversed by 2 days.. So I guess I will continue email bombing them till i get an answer...
Chris
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couldn't they have been upfront and let the customers know about the shortage and ask them if they wanted a substitute such as a Groovy Game Gear Trackball instead of the Happ?
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
OHHHHH!!! My sides are splitting... Please Stop!!
Christian, Sick Slick, offer a Groovy Game Gear item... ROFLMAO :laugh2:
Look guys! as I've always said on here. DON'T GIVE HIM MONEY!!! I'm very sorry that you guys who ordered from him are getting burnt like this, but to be honest, he's been at this game for the last few years. His customer service stinks. The number of complaints about him has always been huge. This forum is absolutely full of tales like this and STILL you guys keep giving him money. I dispair! :dunno
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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I too noticed the first thread got set to hell in a hand basket. But to update all on my experience with Slik Stick. I have never received a response from Christian about the extra $2,145.00 he got by having my bank reverse charges. However the money was returned in prearbitration about 3 weeks ago or so. So even though I did get my money returned it was not on part of cooperation from Slik Stik. As for the controller. Except for the missing pinball buttons that were suppose to be installed with the rest of the customisations and the fact I ordered it in April and didn't get it until August, its a good controller for all the games played on it.
Ken
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I just don't know what I can do... I will wait to see if I eventually will receive my control panel. As being in Canada I don't think there is anything I can do...
Chris
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I generally don't like to do it, but I have some strong media connections and I may just push to get the word out about Slik Stik. It's getting out of hand, and it's just not right.
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I generally don't like to do it, but I have some strong media connections and I may just push to get the word out about Slik Stik. It's getting out of hand, and it's just not right.
If you are serious, get to it! And make sure to youtube the results so a front page link can be posted. ;D
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I just got off the phone with Eilleen at Slikstik (yes I actually got a real person) And My Panel is shipping TODAY!!!!.. I also just received the tracking number by e-mail.. So I will track this... I am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel..
Chris
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I am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel..
or is it the life preserver in the sea of sewage...?
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If you REALLY want to light a fire under them, file a ripoff report and they'll respond right away. Companies will do anything to get a person to edit their complaints on that site since ripoff report ranks so well on search rankings. I work in search engine optimization and companies are always asking me how to deal with those ripoff report listings in the search results.
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All you peeps i think need to chill out a lil bit
i myself ordered a CP in Aug.
Yes thier was a trackball problem, even happ will tell you
and now they are having problems with overlays,
if you have an overlay on yur order you may want to scratch that part. thats prob holding your panel up.
but either way, as said in another post above, they do answer the phone, i guess u just have to know when to call,
but after speaking with chris for about 20mins it seems as things are picking back up, and trust me he is jus as anxoius to get the panels out as you are to receive them.
and jus to set the record, they are not going out of business, they are not filing bankruptcy or any crap like that, so every1 saying they got scammed and ripped off, chill. everyone who ordered a panel from them knew --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- hand it would take a few months, as it is indicated on thier website, yes they ran into sum delays, as you can see you can no longer order overlays on thier site, you cant add them to a CP anymore.
to Chrismcd, Glad to hear, please post some pics in a new thread when it arrives, i would love to see the work. :cheers:
Edit: minor offensiveness
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Hey emm three seven are zero one dee,
Before you go about telling people to shut the **** up, I'd get to know the history of things around here first. MANY people have been burned some way or another by Slik Stik's antics, and it hasn't just been recently. When I went to order my spinner from them (about two years ago), I was warned repeatedly not to do so because so many people were having troubles at the time. It was the same issue then, just attached to a different excuse. This isn't an isolated issue or just a trend, it's the reality of dealing with Slik Stik. They don't give a crap about the customer, that much is clear. Sure, the product may be nice, but it's not worth the hassle when guys on this board (Timoe, Knievel, Kaytrim, etc.) are doing work that's just as good as what Slik Stik produces.
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im jus sayin dont say your getting scammed and not getting anything for your $$
most of this thread is worthless information and isnt even true, and you wonder why the other thread was pulled off the site
dont get me wrong im sure sum ppl are angry, in fact i was gettin annoyed, but i think you guys need to chill back a lil.
as i said they knew they would have to wait for it, that sholdnt be a suprise.
and BTW i did research, i prob read every thread on this whole site that had the mention of slikstik
and i also read alot of other places, that have had no problems, i even kno a few ppl that havent had any problems ordering from them.
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im jus sayin dont say your getting scammed and not getting anything for your $$
most of this thread is worthless information and isnt even true, and you wonder why the other thread was pulled off the site
dont get me wrong im sure sum ppl are angry, in fact i was gettin annoyed, but i think you guys need to chill back a lil.
as i said they knew they would have to wait for it, that sholdnt be a suprise.
As a rule, I ignore anyone who doesn't have the cognitive capacity to use even basic proper punctuation or capitalization.
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im jus sayin dont say your getting scammed and not getting anything for your $$
most of this thread is worthless information and isnt even true, and you wonder why the other thread was pulled off the site
dont get me wrong im sure sum ppl are angry, in fact i was gettin annoyed, but i think you guys need to chill back a lil.
as i said they knew they would have to wait for it, that sholdnt be a suprise.
As a rule, I ignore anyone who doesn't have the cognitive capacity to use even basic proper punctuation or capitalization.
Ohh sorry I didn't know this was a spelling contest.
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im jus sayin dont say your getting scammed and not getting anything for your $$
most of this thread is worthless information and isnt even true, and you wonder why the other thread was pulled off the site
dont get me wrong im sure sum ppl are angry, in fact i was gettin annoyed, but i think you guys need to chill back a lil.
as i said they knew they would have to wait for it, that sholdnt be a suprise.
As a rule, I ignore anyone who doesn't have the cognitive capacity to use even basic proper punctuation or capitalization.
...and anyone who has no clue what in the hell they are talking about....
Christians nephew perhaps?
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im jus sayin dont say your getting scammed and not getting anything for your $$
Unfortunately, you really don't have a clue here - you know why the overlays aren't being shipped? Because SlikStik isn't paying the supplier! They owe me quite a bit of money as well for ads, and after a year of waiting, I sent them to a collection agency -- they promised the agency they would pay, then Christian promptly disconnected his cell phone and got a new number.
There's no way this is an ethical business practice, and unless a miracle happens I'm afraid things are only going to get worse...
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im jus sayin dont say your getting scammed and not getting anything for your $$
most of this thread is worthless information and isnt even true, and you wonder why the other thread was pulled off the site
dont get me wrong im sure sum ppl are angry, in fact i was gettin annoyed, but i think you guys need to chill back a lil.
as i said they knew they would have to wait for it, that sholdnt be a suprise.
As a rule, I ignore anyone who doesn't have the cognitive capacity to use even basic proper punctuation or capitalization.
...and anyone who has no clue what in the hell they are talking about....
Christians nephew perhaps?
Ha!! You beat me to that one...... LOL :laugh2: Christian's Nephew.. Christian's best buddy from the bar.... Christian's employee....
Oh heck... Why leave it there, it's probably Christian himself even. That wouldn't be the first time a low number poster has popped up defending Sick Slick, when he's in the poop pile yet again!
We end up with a thread like this every few months or so, where people have got burned by Christian and his appalling customer service.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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i kno why the overlays arent getting shipped
i have a clue
and as said i myself am waitin on a CP from them too at the current moment,
but some ppl here jus seem like they are getting totally screwed, on thier order from them, and I'm sayin that isnt so, but whatever, thats my input, you guys can keep going on about the craziness, and misinformative thread.
KevSteele - maybe in yur case its a lil diffrent, and im sorry to hear about that.
and NO i have nothing to do with SS
im jus a customer, believe what you want LOL i really dont give a <patootie pebble>
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Metroid,
If you want to be taken seriously...in anything you do in life...you are going to need to SERIOUSLY consider taking the extra time it takes to construct a legible, even SEMI-coherent message. Nobody takes anyone serious who constructs message in the fashion you do. This isn't a cell phone... at least demonstrate a semblance of competency and it's amazing how many people will show you respect.
EDIT: Nevermind...i just noticed your "Z" filled image at the bottom of your posts...you are way too 1337 to be here bro...and being that you drive a Honda Prelude and likely have a wing the size of the Spruce Goose on the back (Type-R brah?)...it is painfully obvious you are what my pappy once termed..."A lost cause".
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l33t?
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well im sorry for those who cant understand what i was trying to point out.
BTW FrizzleFried - thats a bada$$ gameroom, :woot
no sorry no big type r wing, sry to burst yur bubble
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i kno why the overlays arent getting shipped
i have a clue
and as said i myself am waitin on a CP from them too at the current moment,
but some ppl here jus seem like they are getting totally screwed, on thier order from them, and I'm sayin that isnt so, but whatever, thats my input, you guys can keep going on about the craziness, and misinformative thread.
KevSteele - maybe in yur case its a lil diffrent, and im sorry to hear about that.
and NO i have nothing to do with SS
im jus a customer, believe what you want LOL i really dont give a $hit
Exactly right ... you are just a customer and apparently don't know as much as you think you do (including about why the last thread got sent away). Your "sayin it isnt so" ain't getting anybody what they deserve. If people aren't getting their stuff and they have been billed and the charges are past refund period and nobody answers the phones or emails, then YES, people are being scammed.
Once upon a time I ordered some things from SS and got them in a nice timely fashion and was very happy (so I'm one of those 'ppl' you talk about who has never had a problem ordering from SS). Then I started seeing stuff about them here, on other boards and on Usenet. Then I saw Christian's responses and decided that, based solely on his attitude, I would never order from them again.
Then I got to know some of the folks that have been dealing with SS for a while and learned more than you can find in the public forums. Kev isn't alone in not getting paid and the people in these threads aren't alone in not getting their stuff. And none of this is new (as so many people have pointed out).
:dunno
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they answer their phones, i called a few days ago and talk to a chick, and called today and talk to chris, but yes i will say they are not good with responding to emails,
at some points i kno the opened my email cuz they clicked the link to my website, and it was tracked from their mail server but i didnt get a respond email. but call them befor 11am and they pick the phone up :)
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EDIT: Nevermind...i just noticed your "Z" filled image at the bottom of your posts...you are way too 1337 to be here bro...and being that you drive a Honda Prelude and likely have a wing the size of the Spruce Goose on the back (Type-R brah?)...it is painfully obvious you are what my pappy once termed..."A lost cause".
:laugh2:
(http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/9222/ricer2gm.jpg)
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Metroid,
If you want to be taken seriously...in anything you do in life...you are going to need to SERIOUSLY consider taking the extra time it takes to construct a legible, even SEMI-coherent message. Nobody takes anyone serious who constructs message in the fashion you do. This isn't a cell phone... at least demonstrate a semblance of competency and it's amazing how many people will show you respect.
EDIT: Nevermind...i just noticed your "Z" filled image at the bottom of your posts...you are way too 1337 to be here bro...and being that you drive a Honda Prelude and likely have a wing the size of the Spruce Goose on the back (Type-R brah?)...it is painfully obvious you are what my pappy once termed..."A lost cause".
:laugh2:
Thank you!
I have always wondered why people seem to forget the basics of the English language the minute they get in front of a keyboard.
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man this is getting as bad as prince's lyric sheets
eye kno
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thats fine keep crackin like it hurts my feelings
the thread is titles any word, so i was giving the word i got, so take it for what its worth, and everyone who is waitin on an order, just be cool
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thats fine keep crackin like it hurts my feelings
the thread is titles any word, so i was giving the word i got, so take it for what its worth, and everyone who is waitin on an order, just be cool
Now you're just doing this to be funny!
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the thread is titles any word, so i was giving the word i got, so take it for what its worth, and everyone who is waitin on an order, just be cool
And citing that you had reached them and they had read your emails is great information and appropriate for this thread ... too bad you had to decide to call people liars along the way.
Or should that be liarz ?
;)
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i dont recall sayin anybody told lies,
but thats fine, dont listen to what i said, sorry i even posted to let ppl know or at least help them with whats going on,
i mean all you ppl talkin doodie towards me arent even waitin on something from them, you jus want to jump in the middle of things (i mean thingz)
but thats fine, i jus wont post any new updates i have with them, and you can jus keep telling all these ppl that are waiting on orders whatever you want to make you happy
LateZ
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they answer their phones, i called a few days ago and talk to a chick, and called today and talk to chris, but yes i will say they are not good with responding to emails,
as some points i kno the opened my email cuz they clicked the link to my website, and it was tracked from their mail server but i didnt get a respond email. but call them befor 11am and they pick the phone up :)
Repeat after me:
They answer their phones. I called a few days ago and talked to a chick, and called today and talked to Chris, but yes, I will say they are not good with responding to emails. They get some points because I know they opened my email because they clicked the link to my website and it was tracked from their mail server, but I didn't get a response. But call them before 11am and they pick the phone up.
Now my response:
If you know they read your email but didn't respond to it, how do they get "points" for that? Maybe "points off"?!?
Thanks for the comment on the game room. You appear to have to decent hacking skills (or is that skillz?) from what I see on your website...if only those skillz translated to how you communicate.
PS: I think the reason you are getting so many folks giving you a hard time (aside from your really cheezy '1337' speak)...is that you told everyone to shut the ---fudgesicle--- up. Sure...you said it politely...but I think it was the message, not the delivery, that folks are having issue with.
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i dont recall sayin anybody told lies,
most of this thread is worthless information and isnt even true
Huh?
Isn't that by definition tellin lies?
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I'm not saying they got any points for not responding to my emails, (I corrected the spelling it should have been "At some points") infact it pissed me off big time.
but after talking with them by phone things went much better, and my order is actually getting done and being shipped out soon :)
hope that is proper enough :)
and agian sorry I'm not trying to cause fueds and arguements if you guys see it like that
EDIT to above poster,
ok sorry maybe not most but thier is a lot of misinformative information in this thread, and their was even more the the thread that got deleted
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If you'd care to point out the misinformation it would help. Basically, there are a lot of people here who cannot get in touch with Slik Stik, either by phone or email, and some have been waiting many, many months for their control panels.
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The only misinformation is being spewed by metroid... :blah:
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Slik Stick is more than timely answering emails for people who want to give them more money. ;D
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I wasn't going to respond to this since I didn't order from them. But, I was going to order from them. If not for this thread then my money would be tied up for months waiting on an item I could get elsewhere much quicker. I decided to order from Jack at ArcadesRfun. He has answered all my emails and has been very cordial. Fact is what Slik Stik is doing is considered fraud. Ask the Better Business Bureau. It's an unethical way of conducting business. You say they answered your phone call and email. They should have posted a blanket email here which would've answered many of peoples questions. How is it that the other "Builders" are capable of getting their product out without all the delays but Slik Stik can't. Why is it that all the other "Builders are quick to respond to questions but Slik Stik can't.The only probable reason is they don't care about the customer.
You see this thread as slamming Slik Stik and as trying to give them a bad rap. We see it as a thread to give our friends and peers informative information so they will not get ripped off. Obviously Slik Stik doesn't care or they would've responded here and on 5 or 6 other boards I frequent. Now, I don't know about you but I'm happy when people give me their opinion. And I'm glad people tell me that a vendor hasn't responded to inquirys for over 2 months. I'm sorry, but anyone who will defend a business after all the "horror" stories we are hearing then that individual has a different agenda.
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:applaud:
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Oh, One last comment I left out of my posting. And this is to Metroid. It's hard to believe you are gullible enough to believe what they may have told you on the phone. It's entirely possible that you were just lucky enough to get them to answer. They probably thought your # on the caller id was someone else. Also, it's not wise to take up for them until you actually have the product in hand. We will see if you have the same feelings 2 months from now while you are still waiting on that cp they promised to get right out to you. I hope you do get it but the odds from Vegas would be against you.
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This thread made me want to go read some Herbert Kornfeld columns on theonion.com. :laugh2:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/25991
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ok well I guess we will see what happens, maybe your right, but I do think they will send it out, chrismcd jus got his sent out, and he isnt even in the country.
And lucky enough? if that was the case I doubt I would have had a 20min conversation with the owner, and I doubt he would have gave me his personal cell phone number to contact him, once I get my overlay shipped out to them.
and I know this thread/forum is to spead information, which is what I tried to do in my first reply to this thread before everyone wanted to jump on ---my bottom--- cuz I'm the only one with faith in SS
All I know is I can't wait to get my CP and finally start some gaming :)
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and I doubt he would have gave me his personal cell phone number to contact him
Might be useful for KevSteele and others who are having problems (but, please, don't post it publicly).
And people jumped on you because you told people that they were lying/posting misinformation (and because you couldn't be bothered to include spelling, grammar or punction punctuation ... hoist on my own petard!). Your experience was good to make note of (although incomplete as yet), but hardly puts you in a position to call everybody else wrong.
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I wasnt trying to call people liars
you guys jus got things twisted, and if you feel that way I'm sorry
And I would never post his phone number, peoples phone numbers are for that person to give out, not others :)
Edit: Also thier was misinformation, as they were going out of business, going bankrupt, ect. ect.
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Well, I've got a great idea. I would never ask you to post or give out someone Else's phone #. But what you can do, and this will be to everyones benefit including Slik Stik, is just give him a call on his personal cell phone and tell him the dilemma this has created and how his business name is being tarnished. Ask him to just take a minute or so and post a comment telling everyone things are good. I don't think that's asking too much. Shoot, maybe they will knock a little off your bill for bringing this matter to their attention. You would be doing us all a favor and once he(Slik Stik) post then you can say(I told you so) and be " Da Man"
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I'm sure he is aware of the rep this is creating for him through the community.
When I call him in a few days once my overlay ships to him, I will mention it to him.
EDIT: BTW this is in no way, shape or form, to say I told you so. All I simply wanted to do was spread the information I received from them. I have been following these threads since the begining and was hesistent to post, without some kind of solid information. And if you have known me from the console scene, Anyone would tell you that is the last thing I would do.
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Well, I've got a great idea. I would never ask you to post or give out someone Else's phone #. But what you can do, and this will be to everyones benefit including Slik Stik, is just give him a call on his personal cell phone and tell him the dilemma this has created and how his business name is being tarnished. Ask him to just take a minute or so and post a comment telling everyone things are good. I don't think that's asking too much. Shoot, maybe they will knock a little off your bill for bringing this matter to their attention. You would be doing us all a favor and once he(Slik Stik) post then you can say(I told you so) and be " Da Man"
HA! :laugh2:
I think Christian is reading all of these posts. If he responds, he will answer people's comments as he has in the past, with attacks and negativity. I am one of the ones who has had good service with SlikStik yet I won't buy from them again because of how he has acted here.
I just don't think he has the business sense to post on here and tell people things are ok. I lean towards the idea that his business is in jeopardy. Why else would KevSteele not have his money yet? Why else would Mamemarquees not be printing stuff for him?
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Actually my last comment was meant sarcastically. Only an idiot would think they run a legitimate business. And at this point only a fool knowingly would order anything.
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I am starting to get upset with Slikstik stating that the delay now is the overlays...
We have had no contact with them for over a month and have not shipped to them in around 2 months. We are shipping every day to paying customers, so if Slikstik needs overlays it is a pretty simple process, PAY, put an order in and we will ship to them. It is not rocket science.
They need to stop acting like 5yr olds and just buckle down, deal with the customers, pay their bills, go back to their core (Control Panels) and get Christian out from dealing with customers. He is a good CP builder and negotiator, but horrible at customer relations.
Scott
www.mamemarquees.com
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I wasnt trying to call people liars
you guys jus got things twisted, and if you feel that way I'm sorry
And I would never post his phone number, peoples phone numbers are for that person to give out, not others :)
Edit: Also thier was misinformation, as they were going out of business, going bankrupt, ect. ect.
Nothing was twisted. You were very beligerent with your initial posts. There is a difference between misinformation and speculation. Everyone was SPECULATING as to why noone was getting their products, or why their inquiries were being ignored. This is why I did my test to see if Slikstik would respond to a potential new customer. Sure enough, Christian responded within 24 hours. Hard to understand why an honest business man can be on top of sales inquiries, but completely ignore multiple inquiries from concerned PAYING customers who do not have their product.
And the reason Slik Stick does not respond here is simple. They already know they have lost out on the participating members of byoac. There are still plenty of non-byoac fish in the pool though. Notice how most of the people complaining are fairly new members? Interesting, no? That is why the slikstik complaint threads go in phases. The old set goes into the archives, newbies never see the warnings, they buy after seeing adverts everywhere, and BOOM, a new slikstik thread.
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Notice how most of the people complaining are fairly new members? Interesting, no? That is why the slikstik complaint threads go in phases. The old set goes into the archives, newbies never see the warnings, they buy after seeing adverts everywhere, and BOOM, a new slikstik thread.
Thats why their name and behavior should go into a sticky thread.... Where everybody new to the board can see it, and know not to order unless they want months and even years of grief....
This is also one for Saint to look at I think..... The Google Adds at the page headders STILL frequently show Sick Slick advertising. It is possible to block specific advertisers in the Google Adds Program. Saint, is it time you considered doing this in the interests of the wider community??? and issuing a warning sticky thread as well???
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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Yes -- I'm a noob. I ordered a simple, stock control panel, no overlay 5 weeks ago. I've only tried to request status once, with no reply. I will let you guys know how it goes. My success might be a good baramoter of current activity at slikstik.
Wish me luck! :dunno
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thats fine keep crackin like it hurts my feelings
the thread is titles any word, so i was giving the word i got, so take it for what its worth, and everyone who is waitin on an order, just be cool
Hahah what. ???
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Yes this is my first post, I just registered. I ordered from SS this summer and have still not received my order. They have never returned any phone messages, and responses to e-mails are spotty at best.
I have talked to Christian on the phone, and he seems like an alright guy, but most of the time no one answers!
Right now I just want my order!
I was told the last reason for delays was a faulty shipment of IPACS.
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Yes this is my first post, I just registered. I ordered from SS this summer and have still not received my order. They have never returned any phone messages, and responses to e-mails are spotty at best.
I have talked to Christian on the phone, and he seems like an alright guy, but most of the time no one answers!
Right now I just want my order!
I was told the last reason for delays was a faulty shipment of IPACS.
So now he's blaming Andy? lol...
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Yes this is my first post, I just registered. I ordered from SS this summer and have still not received my order. They have never returned any phone messages, and responses to e-mails are spotty at best.
I have talked to Christian on the phone, and he seems like an alright guy, but most of the time no one answers!
Right now I just want my order!
I was told the last reason for delays was a faulty shipment of IPACS.
Wow, poor SlickStik... They are obviously misunderstood in this, as the have obviously just had some bad luck with all these other unreliable businesses... Trackball shortages, not receving CPOs, bad shipment of IPACs... I guess the odds are stacked against them... ::)
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So...I am sure Andy was filling orders while Slikstik was experiencing these bad IPacs.....anyone else get a bad Ipac, or was it just slikstik that got em?
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Yes this is my first post, I just registered. I ordered from SS this summer and have still not received my order. They have never returned any phone messages, and responses to e-mails are spotty at best.
Given the content of this thread and numerous other threads... you should seriously consider reversing your payment. Consider contacting your credit card company before the time to do so runs out. Otherwise you could still be waiting for the goods this time next year.
There are more reliable suppliers than this bunch of clowns.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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It probably won't come as a surprise to anyone on here that I am not best pleased about "bad I-PACs" being blamed by SS.
I probably don't even need to state this, but of course this is fiction.
Andy
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It probably won't come as a surprise to anyone on here that I am not best pleased about "bad I-PACs" being blamed by SS.
I probably don't even need to state this, but of course this is fiction.
Andy
That's what I thought. I've never had any problems with stuff I've ordered from you, and it always gets to me unbelievably quick, especially considering it has to come across the big pond!
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Pretty soon the excuse will be "sticky buttons sent from Happ" or "T-Molding is on back order" or perhaps "we keep receiving bad batches of MDF from the wood folks!"?!?!?!
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That was around two weeks ago that I was told about the IPACS... they said that they got a bunch of bad ones and that my CP was just waiting for the new ones to come in and it would be ready to go.
This week is it, I will either have my stuff or I will be in touch with my credit card company and my lawyer if necessary.
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I receive orders of ipac's almost every week, & I have never had 1 bad one in 2 years, so that right there shows you the Ultimarc products are top notch, Slikstik is just using another excuse.
dm
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He better watch who he bad mouths.
Telling customers that product x was faulty and as a result delayed shipping is a very good way to get in trouble legally. Even though the intention wasn't bad towards product x, it could still be viewed as a slanderous comment. They are treading on very thin ice.
That said, everyone in the world knows that Andy's products are top notch and of the highest quality around. To blame an Ipac on your own stupidity is...well....just stupid.
Frizzle, I like your comment...."the lumber yard gave me faulty MDF, so your order is going to be delayed 52 weeks"
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I can't believe all of the misinformation in this thread ... u p33ps n33d 2 chillz.
;)
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So, besides building you own, what are the alternatives to Slikstik?
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Jack at arcadesrfun builds top notch products
dm
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I can't believe all of the misinformation in this thread ... u p33ps n33d 2 chillz.
;)
:laugh2:
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So, besides building you own, what are the alternatives to Slikstik?
mameroom sells a kit of their popular "UlitmateII" cab
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Also, if you need a GREAT Cabinet check out www.hanaho.com.
Awesome Cabinets!!!
Ponyboy
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Right -- I've already built my cabinet. Have everything done, just waiting on the control panel. I didn't feel like building the panel on my own.
(http://www.poeticwaxes.com/news/images/mj_mame3.jpg)
I've already installed the Wells Gardiner monitor, a marquee from Scott.. everything's been sitting there for 5 weeks waiting for the slikstik controller.
I will check out arcadesrfun. I'm sure I did before, but I was thinking they built cabinets.
Thx
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Thats why their name and behavior should go into a sticky thread.... Where everybody new to the board can see it, and know not to order unless they want months and even years of grief....
This is also one for Saint to look at I think..... The Google Adds at the page headders STILL frequently show Sick Slick advertising. It is possible to block specific advertisers in the Google Adds Program. Saint, is it time you considered doing this in the interests of the wider community??? and issuing a warning sticky thread as well???
Preface: I've been pondering this for a while and I doubt that you'll find a bigger skeptic regarding the intentions of SlikStik than me. I say this because what follows may seem presumptious on my part, but is only intended to present an alternative viewpoint to Fozzy's, despite the fact that I believe the same things about SlikStik as he does and am also a fellow muppet (current avatar notwithstanding, but perhaps somewhat relevant).
Having said that, I think that, in the absence of clearly illegal activity on the part of Christian/SlikStik, that saint's role should probably preclude any such actions. I believe that he does try to ensure that ads for illegal activities (e.g. ROM burners) are avoided, but can see that, in his position, he probably should let problems between suppliers and customers be worked out between the parties involved.
I would, once again, encourage everybody who has had recent experience with SlikStik, good or bad, to complete a review for the wiki (it only works if you take the time):
http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/SlikStik
http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Category:Rating
After Dr Who's last post, I was once again saddened to realize that, while the old timers know about SS (and have for a long while), that new folks are still getting caught up in the problems (and are missing valuable gameplay time as a result!). I was somewhat torn in making this post since I would personally like to see reference to SS removed from every site that folks would look to for guidance. However, I do think that saint's role should be to maintain the rules that he has set and that it is up to the membership at large to get the word out (good or bad), while obeying the rules. :angel:
So, please post your experiences in the wiki.
As the ever-eloquant SirWoogie has pointed out:
Please note you DO NOT need to register on the Wiki page. Your current forum login and password are the same for the Wiki. If you change your password in the forum, it will be reflected in the Wiki as well.
DrWho -- cab looks great, as does the pin beside it (colour me jealous!). I hope you get your CP soon!
:cheers:
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When I have spoke with Christian he really seems to be a very cool guy... he talked with me about the new overlays before they were posted on the website and e-mailed me pictures while were on the phone together.
I really want to believe that they are a small company that is maybe a bit overwhelmed with the amount of business they have and have had some supply issues.
The comments I had received from them and then what I have heard here regarding the IPACS has me a bit concerned though.
The bottom line for me is that they have this week to make things right. I ordered my cabinet and CP in July, the cabinet was in stock then, and the last last contact from Paul said that he thought my CP would be ready in 9 to 10 days... that was two weeks ago.
Thanks to all here for their input, and information.
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Being a noob here of some degree let me say that there is some harm in leaving their ad in place. First I wouldn't have known about slikstik if it hadn't been for the ads. I'm sure I'm not the only one who figures a site wouldn't let a bad vendor advertise. Second, I think a site puts it's reputation on line by allowing bad vendors to advertise. It's a hard decision for anyone to make but I think there is overwhelming evidence that they are bad. I had filled out their online order form a few times but never pushed the send button because something just didn't seem right. So, I finally decided to take the time and do some research and then blam, there it was, all the bad comments about them.
Also another good reason to make a sticky and ban their ads would be that a lot of noobies may order from them, never get their item, then be so frustrated that they find a new hobby. That would be an injustice to our fellow gamers and friends.
It's a hard decision for anyone to make but the revenue if any just isn't worth it in my opinion.
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I find it odd that SS can still afford their Google ad and yet not pay smaller vendors like Kev.
In the roughly 1 1/2 year that I have been a member here, I have seen about 2 people have "bad" IPAC's. From what I have seen regarding the "bad" ones, Andy handled the problems promptly and courteously, thus keeping a satisfied customer. Randy has done the same from GGG. I have to guess, that if SS did receive an entire bad batch of product from Andy, that he (Andy) would have handled the situation promptly. I base this only on Andy's responses on this forum.
When I first joined here, I was very interested in one of the spinners from SS. Upon reading a few post from Christian and a few from Randy, I deided to go with GGG. I have not regretted it for one second. Christian seems to blame the end user for any problems. Randy on the other hand has always gone above and beyond what I expect a vendor to do. Though I have never dealt with Andy, He also seems to go above and beyond.
Christian needs to understand that this is a niche business....it does not bode well when you push customers away. Niches such as this one, tend to be close nit and word of mouth plays a huge role in the niches buying decisions. Recomendations from previous buyers goes a long way in this field.
Sorry for the wordy post. I just can't stand seeing someone like Andy be blamed for anothers shortcomings. I know (hope) this was not Christians intent, but that is how I (and I suspect many others) perceived it. :soapbox:
Long live Andy and Randy!
Xam
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i've been one of the few who's consistently supported slikstik, since i had a great experience with them 2 yrs ago.
in the past, it's been great quality, great customization, good after-sale support, together with slow turn-around times, spotty communication, and wacky forum posts by the company's owner. i was willing to live with that, because, i was confident of getting (eventually) customer satisfaction.
lately, there's been a BIG change: complete failure to pay vendors (several of whom posted here), failure to honor warranties (in my case), taking money from customers and never shipping anything, spotty communication replaced by no communication, and obvious ham-handed lying about suppliers.
this tells me slikstik is in a tailspin. they're in financial trouble. they're having to make decisions about who to pay and who not to pay, and i doubt they're going to be around for long. although some of you will spit on their grave, to me it will be a sad loss.
time for a merger or buyout...
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Hiya gang!
Just joined the forum so that I could add my litany to the pile of questions.
03/15/2007
I ordered a cabinet and CO2 control panel from Slikstik.
Time passed...
04/19/2007
Since their site says that it could take as long as 5 weeks I waited 5 weeks before inquiring about my order, sending them an email asking about the status of the order.
04/26/2007
I got a reply saying that they were out of the monitor brackets, but could send the cabinet to me and ship me the brackets when they came in, which I agreed to in a reply email that same day. I even said that it'd be nice to try out the setup even if the monitor wasn't mounted.
04/27/2007
I got an email saying that they would be shipping out the cabinet that day.
05/02/2007
I got an email from SlikStik saying "Your SlikStik SS Arcade has shipped via Yellow Transportation" along with tracking information. A few days later I received the cabinet but not the control panel. I waited a little longer to see if the CP would arrive separately, and when it did not...
05/17/2007
I emailed SlikStik asking about the CP part of the order.
05/24/2007
I received a reply to my email saying that they were waiting for back-ordered parts from Happs Controls, as well as the monitor brackets.
06/13/2007
I received the monitor brackets. I emailed them saying that I received them and asked about the status of the CP. I also asked them about the new flush-mounted trackballs that they were then offering, and if it would be possible to have my trackball changed to that.
06/14/2007
I received a reply to my email that said that they were awaiting a shipment of trackballs. They expected them to arrive at the beginning of the next week, and that my CP would be shipped out right thereafter. But if I wanted the flush-mount it would take longer, and would require me to pay the difference. I replied that I would like to do so, and did the web ordering thing to pay the difference.
Time passed...
08/08/2007
I sent them an email asking if there was an ETA on the CP.
08/09/2007
I received a reply saying "Soon. Very soon. Your unit is within the next 5 to receive a trackball
and be shipped out, we're just waiting on our next trackball shipment."
09/21/2007
I sent an email asking if I'd been forgotten.
09/22/2007
I received a reply saying that I'd not been forgotten and that "Happ told us that we should be receiving a nice, big, much needed order of trackballs at the end of this month. Provided they don't change this date again, you unit should be out of here as soon as we receive that shipment."
10/17/2007
I received an email from Slikstik saying that my CP was ready to be shipped.
10/22/2007
7 months and 7 days after the original order, and 4 months and 8 days after my changing the order to the flush-mount trackball, the CP finally arrived. Whew! I opened the box and found that it appeared to be made according to my order (I was fearful that some part would've been forgotten or changed after such a long time).
10/27/2007
I finally had the chance to work with the CP, in order to test and whatnot. I untaped the bag of cables and parts that had been taped to the top of the CP and found that a small hunk of the overlay had been gouged out (I'm guessing by the edge of one of the PS2 connectors). The hunk isn't big, about the size of 2 grains of rice side-by-side, but it is badly positioned just over the Player 2 controls (the white underneath is in glaring contrast against the dark blue area of the overlay). No other damage was noticed. I photographed the damage and emailed SlikStik describing the damage (and including 3 photos) and asking what could be done about it.
I have not received a reply. I have not totally unpacked the CP (the blue tape is still around the edges and such). I have not put together the cabinet yet (hopefully all the parts were sent). At the very least I've tested all the controls and can tell that they do indeed seem to work. Hopefully I'll have time this weekend to try to assemble things.
The more the ordeal dragged on the more fearful that I wouldn't get anything out of them. I saved all the emails (which is why I can tell you guys the dates), but I wasn't sure what I'd be able to do with them if SlikStik folded.
And, um... that's as far as I'll go with my story. I'll leave it to you guys to interpret how good or bad you'd feel if it happened to you.
Still... I'm in possession of a CP with a damaged overlay, and I'm guessing that SlikStik probably won't do anything to correct the damage, even though it was caused by bad packing. And I'm pretty sure that if they did contact me and if their solution would be for me to return the CP to them for repairs, then I'd be tempted to answer in a rude fashion (though I know I wouldn't actually answer in a rude fashion - that's not my style). I'm hoping that I can maybe repair it myself in some way. The hunk of overlay is there, but out of place. Maybe my new best friend in the whole wide world at Mamemarquees.com might be able to give advice? ;)
I'll try to post to the Wiki about this as well. Though... would it be bad form to include all the detail like I did above? Don't want to be stepping on any toes here since I'm still a newb around here.
Bunsen
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No the details are good. Can you post a picture of the damage? We might be able to help fix it.
Also, Andy from Ultimarc is very cool and quickly sent me an updated Rotary chip when SS sent the older version that doesn't work well in MAME. From England it only took me about a week to get it.
Thanks for the good service Andy!
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Telling customers that product x was faulty and as a result delayed shipping is a very good way to get in trouble legally. Even though the intention wasn't bad towards product x, it could still be viewed as a slanderous comment. They are treading on very thin ice.
That said, everyone in the world knows that Andy's products are top notch and of the highest quality around. To blame an Ipac on your own stupidity is...well....just stupid.
Agreed - This may be taken the wrong way, but I've been on the scene for a long time - five years, 10 years - ???
There have been some defective I-PAC's or at least MiniPacs over the years. Andy mentioned a bad batch of chips at one point in that time. He also either sent out replacement boards at no charge or sent out replacement chips in a timely manner if they were user replaceable. I can't remember any problems with the boards since at least 3 or 4 years ago, maybe longer.
If Andy is saying there is no current problem with the I-PACs, I trust that a lot more than Christian saying that is the holdup on the panels.
XtraSmiley - Good to know the Ultimarc Rotary board now ships with the proper chip for MAME - I saw the thread were the newer chips were evaluated, but never saw that they got incorporated into production.
Just my 2 cents.
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Chris,
Any updated regarding your order? I understand you are in Canada so I can see it atking awhile, but is the tracking showing any progress?
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No the details are good. Can you post a picture of the damage? We might be able to help fix it.
Also, Andy from Ultimarc is very cool and quickly sent me an updated Rotary chip when SS sent the older version that doesn't work well in MAME. From England it only took me about a week to get it.
Thanks for the good service Andy!
Yeah, there is no doubt Andy is the bees knees. I ordered parts from SS the same day I ordered a minipac from Andy. I got the Minipac in about 5 days. The SS parts, despite being in the same country, came 2 weeks later.
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Unfortunately I didn't read this thread before I posted my order. So now, here I am, out almost $800 bucks with no product to show for it. I thought I would post my saga:
08-August-2007
-Emailed SS with a product question regarding the Quad panel. Received response from Paul at SS same day.
18-August-2007
-Had problems ordering the CO2 CP via the web. Sent a question with my experience, and received a response from Paul same day.
Paul was very cordial and responsive. In fact, when I figured out what the ordering problem was (browser related) he seemed
very sincere and apologetic regarding my ordering issues. He promised to report the browser issue to the web developers.
-We resolved the ordering issue and my order was placed at 6:00PM CDT on Aug-18.
04-September-2007
-Sent an inquiry email asking when the expected manufacture and delivery time would be, as the web site stated between 2-5 weeks.
Received a response from Paul (same day) stating that it would be another 2-3 weeks before my CP shipped. Accept this answer as it
has only been two weeks since my order.
27-September-2007
-Now 5 weeks since my order was placed, I sent an email asking for the status. Paul responded (same day) stating that their prouduction
has been delayed "quite a bit" due to a supplier backorder of trackballs. Paul quoted another 2-4 weeks for production delivery. Once again,
being the charitable person I am, I gave the benefit to SS and decided to wait for further communication.
19-October-2007
-Sent a professional, yet direct email providing a summary of my order experience and to ask what the current status was. No response received.
05-November-2007
-Sent a VERY direct email giving them an ultimatem: They have one week to respond with a sufficient status update for my product or I will
demand a FULL REFUND and report them to the BBB. Still waiting response...
06-November-2007
-Found a order inquiry number (973-447-0951) and called, received an automated operator rejecting my call because CallerID is blocked.
-Called back from a standard land-line. Received machine. Left a message with order number and my dissatisfaction. No response as of yet.
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...this thread was up to 5 pages for me...it's down to 4 now. Posts are being deleted?
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I think you're confusing it with the CRT vs LCD thread. :laugh2:
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...this thread was up to 5 pages for me...it's down to 4 now. Posts are being deleted?
Mods are taking an active role in keeping the peace lately instead of just post helling threads. I've noticed the post deleting several times now and have no problem with it.
Kudos to hard working mods. :cheers:
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Probably not the right place to ask, but here it goes.
Since the likely hood of me getting my cabinet and CP from SS are unlikely at this point.
What are people's recommendations for other suppliers?
How hard is it to build your own CP?
Thanks again for all the information and advice!
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Anyone thought about a road trip to NJ?
Maybe face to face they might have answers, but more likely they would just have me arrested.
And I am in no way shape or form suggesting any violence, just to make that clear.
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Probably not the right place to ask, but here it goes.
Since the likely hood of me getting my cabinet and CP from SS are unlikely at this point.
What are people's recommendations for other suppliers?
How hard is it to build your own CP?
Thanks again for all the information and advice!
Welcome to the addictive insanity here.
If you can run a skill saw, drill, & glue bottle...you can build a control panel. If you can run a screw driver...you can wire up a control panel.
Most people order sticks and buttons and keyboard encoders from either of these two trusted manufacturers...
www.ultimarc.com
www.groovygamegear.com
Then local to the board and possibly closer to you geographically are these suppliers that carry supplies from the above manufacturers, as well as others....
Ponyboy (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=36770.0)
Divemaster (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=47066.0)
Other local Forum Vendors and used gear...
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/board,2.0.html
For a complete step by step A-Z "How To" on an upright Arcade Cabinet, get John St Clair's
Project Arcade, The Book (http://www.amazon.com/Project-Arcade-Build-Your-Machine/dp/0764556169/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-1382385-8241246?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194381375&sr=8-1)
Artwork: Control Panel Overlays's etc...
http://www.mamemarquees.com/
My wife also does custom carved side art
http://nicecarvings.com/home.html
Still want a ready made CP? No prob man...BYOAC has it all. :)
Kaytrims Kustom's (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=69968.0)
Timoes Mini's (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66008.0)
Sorry for this post turning into a big ole production, I have undoubtedly forgotten some key sources, and hopefully they will be posted by others. :)
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What are people's recommendations for other suppliers?
Several were posted earlier in this thread.
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Since the likely hood of me getting my cabinet and CP from SS are unlikely at this point.
Well, I don't know that you wouldn't eventually get it, but don't interpret that to mean that I'm recommending that you be willing to wait 7+ months for it to arrive like I did for mine.
Slikstik is made up of nice enough people when you contact them, and I really like my panel (slight damage aside), but something worrisome is certainly going on.
Bunsen
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I agree that they are nice people WHEN you can get a hold of them, but I have called and left message after message. The phone just rings and rings with no one picking up at all hours of the day, and they have not answered an e-mail for almost three weeks, this after telling me that my stuff should be ready in about 10 days.
I still hope that I do get my CP; that is what I really do want, but their lack of caring for their customers is ridiculous.
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Another newbie to the forum with a SlikStik story. Before seeing this thread, and after reading reviews on Retroblast, I purchased a Tornado spinner from SS via Ebay. I paid immediately, and received positive feedback immediately. This was on 10/26. According to the SS website, they are supposed to send parts "within 2-5 business days" of the date the order was placed. That would have been no later than last Friday, 11/2.
Last week, I sent SS an email from my Ebay account, asking for a status update on shipping. SS did not respond.
Today, I sent an email from my work account (I am an attorney), asking for an update with shipping information in the next 24 hours before I begin the process of cancelling the order and filing for a chargeback. I have no doubt that I'll get my money back if I so choose (Amex understands its obligation to its customers). I would really prefer to have a quality piece of equipment, shipped to me in a reasonable timeframe.
On a side note, for those seeking redress from their credit card companies in the form of a chargeback, under the Fair Credit Billing Act, you must request a chargeback IN WRITING at the address on your credit card bill within 60 days of the date of the STATEMENT the charge appears on, not the date of the actual charge. This is a very meaningful distinction, and one your credit card company may gloss over in an attempt to prevent a chargeback.
I will post again upon resolution (which will be soon).
Demaximis
BTW - I too can recommend Jack from ArcadesRfun. I ordered a blank CP from him, and he has been nothing but professional, friendly, and responsive. If his work is as good as his customer service (and I have no reason to believe it is not), he's invaluable to guys like me who have little time/skill to work with the wood, and want a quality piece for their homes.
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...and I would highly recommend visiting groovygamegear.com to purchase your spinner.
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If you can run a skill saw, drill, & glue bottle...you can build a control panel. If you can run a screw driver...you can wire up a control panel.
You know, not to sound like a cheesy infomercial or something.....but seriously...I was amazed at how easy it is to make your own panel. When I made my first, I didn't have any wood working skills at all....I hadn't touched a saw or drill since middle school wood shop.
Really, you are only limited by your imagination when it comes to making a CP
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Chris,
Any updated regarding your order? I understand you are in Canada so I can see it atking awhile, but is the tracking showing any progress?
Got My Panel Today And I was surprised that it was packed so Nice... Here are a couple of pictures of it
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5752/1000782as2.th.jpg) (http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000782as2.jpg)
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8924/1000781pp9.th.jpg) (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000781pp9.jpg)
Just have to find Time to play now....
Chris
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Congtratulations Chris!!!!
This gives us hope! It looks awesome!
What was the total time? From order to recieving?
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Congtratulations Chris!!!!
This gives us hope! It looks awesome!
What was the total time? From order to recieving?
Thanks.. The order was placed on July 2/07 and they shipped it Nov 2/07 So 4 months Total...
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nah... I can't have that. Need this before christmas. :timebomb:
6 weeks is reasonable. 4 months is not.
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And it's a damn shame they go thru the effort of flush mounting the trackball, THEN INCORPORATE THE MOUNT INTO THE ARTWORK!!! :dizzy:
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And it's a damn shame they go thru the effort of flush mounting the trackball, THEN INCORPORATE THE MOUNT INTO THE ARTWORK!!! :dizzy:
And dust covers on top of the panel...
4 months??? My god... That's horrific. When you're waiting for arcade parts, 4 months is like a year of regular time. :D
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And it's a damn shame they go thru the effort of flush mounting the trackball, THEN INCORPORATE THE MOUNT INTO THE ARTWORK!!! :dizzy:
I was thinking the same thing...
The entire purpose of flush mounting is to COVER the plate.
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And it's a damn shame they go thru the effort of flush mounting the trackball, THEN INCORPORATE THE MOUNT INTO THE ARTWORK!!! :dizzy:
My thoughts exactly.
And I would second, third, or fourth the suggestion to order your spinner, or whatever else you need, from Groovy Game Gear.
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That is not flush mounted, it may appear that way in the picture, but the trackball plate is on top of the wood.
The flush mounted designs we did had no shine around the trackball plate for that particular design. Plus, I don't think he even offered flush mounting 4 months ago.
Scott
www.mamemarquees.com
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The only reason I would buy something ready made would be if it had something I couldn't do myself. In this case it would be flushmounting and covering the trackball and button plates, because it needs specialised equipment. If you take that out then the panel is nothing but a plank of wood with holes in it. And it took 4 months to make that? Slik Stik is loosing their rep fast, which is a shame because that's what keeps companies like this in business.
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That is not flush mounted, it may appear that way in the picture, but the trackball plate is on top of the wood.
The flush mounted designs we did had no shine around the trackball plate for that particular design. Plus, I don't think he even offered flush mounting 4 months ago.
Scott
www.mamemarquees.com
I don't know exactly when they first started offering the flush-mount trackball, but I noticed it on June 13th, which is when I inquired about changing my order to include the flush-mounted trackball instead of the one with the exposed mounting plate. I was kinda worried that maybe the overlay wouldn't match, but that wasn't an issue. {Later edit} Hmmm... It wasn't until just tonight that I noticed that they didn't put any "glow" around the trackball like they did around every other control, or like they did around the square trackball mounting plate (had I gone with that instead of the flush-mount). Now that I've noticed that it's kind of a glaring omission that will tick me off more and more over time.
I'm including pics of my CP, which also highlight the damage to the overlay. Scott (or anyone else for that matter), any advice on how to best repair it? And, since they didn't bother to put the "glow" around the trackball, what's the possibility of getting an overlay through you that does, or is it even worth the hassle for me to try to replace it?
Bunsen
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If you PM me I can possibly help.
There were very few flush mount overlays sold to slikstik, yours may be the only one in that style... I don't want to get into details here but in the last couple of months we sold to them it was crazy, did not here from them in weeks then they would need 10 overnight, then I would not here from them in 5 weeks, then they needed 15 yesterday. I wish we would have put a glow around it, but given the timeline that they gave me that was all I could do.
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Get someone who is a decent artist to paint it.
For a temp fix, some markers or black & blue paint.
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I wish we would have put a glow around it, but given the timeline that they gave me that was all I could do.
Ack! Hopefully I didn't make it sound like it was your fault! I feel that the ultimate responsibility for the design work lies with Slikstik. (Though I do have to admit I admire your willingness to try to shoulder some of the blame.) I'm in no way looking for you to try to make up for any of Slikstik's shortcomings, but I sure do appreciate your willingness to give advice!
Bunsen
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In your pic it looks like the art piece is still there, kind of like when you slice your finger and the skin is still hanging on by a thread. You should be able to put a tiny drop of glue on there and press the art back down.
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In your pic it looks like the art piece is still there, kind of like when you slice your finger and the skin is still hanging on by a thread. You should be able to put a tiny drop of glue on there and press the art back down.
Yeah, it's there and I figure that that's what needs to happen.
My worry is if there's a kind of glue that would work best (e.g. that doesn't act as a solvent on the material of the overlay). And it would be nice if there were some way to seal it into place so that it won't get easily knocked out again, and which would fill in the gaps around the edges. Like, maybe clear fingernail polish or something. But, again, I worry about the solvent issue.
I figure that so long as I don't do anything to it the options are still rather open. So I'm just gathering info before I attempt to do as effective a repair as possible.
Bunsen
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Super glue would be fine. Even Elmers glue would probably work fine. Just use a very, very small amount.
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Water-thin super glue would work great - a tiny bit to lock the flap down, then a small droplet to fill in the cut.
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Be careful with the super glue. I have used a handful of different varieties and some will leave a white residue. If you use the wrong stuff, you might end up with a white spot where your white spot is.
Be sure to try it on a piece of scrap material to see how it dries before leaving a drop on the surface of your panel.
RandyT
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Be careful with the super glue. I have used a handful of different varieties and some will leave a white residue. If you use the wrong stuff, you might end up with a white spot where your white spot is.
Be sure to try it on a piece of scrap material to see how it dries before leaving a drop on the surface of your panel.
RandyT
You'll get a white residue if you put too much in - it hazes. When I've used it for pinball repairs, filling in chips on inserts. You want to use water-clear superglue, put in a tiny, tiny amount, and let it dry (you can add multiple layers this way). The end result is an acrylic-like clear seal.
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Been trying to call slikstik every day now for a week. No answer.
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Been trying to call slikstik every day now for a week. No answer.
...not to place an order I hope?
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Well I've done an email test, I wonder if they would answer a "new number" phone test. ;D
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Answering machine for me...
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Andy from Ultimarc is very cool and quickly sent me an updated Rotary chip when SS sent the older version that doesn't work well in MAME.
Hi Andy,
**1** After the "faulty IPAC shipment" bull-story from SlikStik, are you still partnering with them to offer their spinner tops on your SpinTrak spinners ??
**2** Unrelated to SlikStik, but regarding XtraSmiley's post above ...
I saw a thread a while back, that said the Ultimarc rotary encoder produces erratic behaviour in MAME.
Apparently only 1 in every 3 (or so) turns of the rotary knob would be registered during games such as IKARI.
There was talk this was related to the keypress timings (in milliseconds) that the rotary encoder produces.
Has this been fixed by the "updated rotary chip" to which XtraSmiley refers ??
Randy from GGG offers software customisation of the timings produced by his encoder with rotary technology (Roto-X) ...
Andy, do you think there would be a benefit in similarly modifying your rotary encoder, to allow software customisation of the timings ??
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I saw a thread a while back, that said the Ultimarc rotary encoder produces erratic behaviour in MAME. ... Has this been fixed by the "updated rotary chip" to which XtraSmiley refers ??
As I understand it, that was the reason for and factor behind the development of the updated chip, and the other thrad that you refer to said it worked fine.
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I won't be able to test the new chip until January, but according to Andy and others it does fix the problem.
Not sure what the extra benefit of adding adjustable timing would be, but I guess it's a feature some people may want. As far as I know, Andy's chip does not do that at this time, but again, it should work fine for MAME.
Now, if you do buy a rotary from SS, expect the older non-working chip b/c it seems like that is what they have in stock until they use them all. Of course I would just order normal sticks and upgrade myself b/c it would be so much cheaper, but hey, live and learn.
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To add my tale of woe to those of so many others, I sent back my original CO2 panel to SlikStik on June to have it upgraded to the newer, smaller, panel, and have a few other changes made. I won't bore you will all of the details of what happened between then and now, because you've heard it a million times already, but on 10/20 I had a phone conversation with Christian and he promised me that the panel would ship within 48 hours and I would have it the following week. Cut to today, still no panel, and they no longer respond to emails.
As per a firm but polite email that I sent earlier in the week informing them that if I didn't hear from them by noon today, I was going to notify the Attorneys General of both my and his state. Of course, I got no response from SS, so I filed the complaints a short while ago. If I don't hear something from the Attorneys Generals, I'm also planning on taking them to small claims court.
The thing that frustrates me is that I begged them, both on the phone, and in email, to send me something. I said either send me back my old stuff and refund what I paid them, or just throw all the new stuff in a box and I'll install it myself. They said the hold up was the overlay, so I said forget the overlay. I told them they could forget anything they didn't have in hand. Just send me something!!!
Color me frustrated....
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I'm a newbie as well. I really wish I had seen this thread before shelling out my money. This is my story:
In the spring, I orderd the Classic Unit from slikstik. My cabinet is a designed with a sports theme regarding my favorite college team. I really wanted to do a custom overlay as my wife is a graphic designer. Christian said that would be no problem for my wife to design the overlay, but of course we had to fist purchase the CP. My wife then designed the CP artwork and sent it to him in July. Since then, we have had serious problems in communicating with slikstik about our order. I have sent countless emails and left numerous messages with no responses. Some of the highlights of our communications:
In an email dated August 21, Paul at slikstik said that they sent the design to the “overlay guy” who was supposed to ship me the proof of the overlay to approve of the printing colors as soon as he made it.
In an email dated August 31, Paul responded that he was surprised we had not received the sample from his overlay guy and that he would call on Monday to check on it. He said they couldn't do anything on the CP until the overlay is put on.
In an email dated September 6, Paul stated that the overlay guy lost my address and would be sending out the proof shortly.
In an email dated October 2, Paul stated that their printer in Michigan has our graphics. He stated that they should be sending the proof and that he’ll call the printer again to remind him to send it out. He finished by saying as soon as we approved the proff they’d finish the unit.
I have left tons of phone messages and sent lots of emails since then and have heard nothing. I happened to do a google search to see if anyone else was having similar problems and I came upon this thread. I read the posts and noted that "ScottP" was the overlay guy in Michigan that slikstik told me they were allegedly waiting on. Of course it appears that it is ScottP who is waiting on his $$ from slikstik.
By the way, the cutom overlay my wife designed really kicks --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules--. If any of you have any success in resolving your issues, please post what you did. I'm at wits end.
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Wow, I kind of read the jist of this thread and I just wanted to make a few comments to these customers that are getting misinformation.
1. I order overlays from Scott on a weekly basis, most recently on a daily basis. I've never had them delayed, or any kind of problem with them.
2. I order from Andy all the time as well, and I have never had a problem with any of his products, especially iPacs. Over 9 years of building arcade related items, I have never once had Andy be out of stock of something. I've had 1 bad iPac over the years as well. Andy fixed it quickly.
3. Happ does run out of trackballs from time to time, usually it's when a big company orders thousands of them. I've heard it from my rep a few times. But you know what, you need to prepare for that. They always have Balls in stock, and I keep at least 3 colors of each ball on hand. If Happ is a month or two out on shipping trackballs, I go to ebay or ponyboy. Usually someone stocks new happ 3" trackballs of some color. Just swap the balls and you are good to go.
It's just really sad when you can't take the time to answer emails. When my 360 controller went live a few weeks ago I had 100's of emails a day for a bout a week. You know, I answered everyone one of them, all by myself. It doesn't take a whole lot of time when you just sit down and do it.
It kills me to see people so unhappy with a company, and the company does nothing about it. It amazes me they have been in business this long. How can it take months to build a control panel? I just don't get it. In the past, Christian has PMed me when I have said "I make control panels" in one of the anti slikstik threads. Stating it wasn't cool to do that. Well you know what Christian, blow it out your --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules--. Because totally screwing customers isn't very cool either.
I look at it this way. When I order something, I'm excited to get it. Waiting months would be killer. I work alone, I do all of my design work, building, shipping, email answering. I manage to always get items out in 2-3 weeks. I'll tell you what, an Arcade-In-A-Box takes a lot long to build than just a control panel. Plus I have a full time job, a wife, and a 2 year old that I am home with every night (except in november when holiday orders are coming in).
I should note, I work my full time job remotely from my AIAB shop.
Anyway. Sorry about all of that. I just want to say to people looking for control panels, find someone else that can do it besides slikstik. There are a ton of good companiies, many have been listed in this thread, that will do a fantastic job for you. LIsten to the people around here.
If i've "blackballed" myself from slikstik. Oh well, GGG has a kick --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- spinners anyway. I would rather stay close friends with Kevin Steele, Scott Prior, and Andy Wayne than slikstik any day fo the week. Why? Because I know my business would be nothing without them.
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I second what ArcadEd said about him e-mailing all his potential customers. I've yet to order from him as I'm still saving up, but his great attitude toward customer service is awesome.
He replied quickly to all my questions and concerns and I'm looking forward to doing business with him in the future because of this.
Red
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Hi Andy,
**1** After the "faulty IPAC shipment" bull-story from SlikStik, are you still partnering with them to offer their spinner tops on your SpinTrak spinners ??
I saw a thread a while back, that said the Ultimarc rotary encoder produces erratic behaviour in MAME.
Has this been fixed by the "updated rotary chip" to which XtraSmiley refers ??
Andy, do you think there would be a benefit in similarly modifying your rotary encoder, to allow software customisation of the timings ??
No there would not be any benefit in having adjustable timings. Once the change was made this cured the problem completely. If anyone has the older chip, including in a Slikstik unit, I will replace it.
On the other matter, we have a large stock of the spinner knobs and it would be a shame to lose them in the future as they are great quality. Quality seems never to have been an problem with Slikstik, which is why its a shame about the other "issues".
I have spoken to Chris many times and always found him pleasant and he has always paid for our stuff on time. The stories on this thread simply cannot be ignored though and I just cant understand why he has not tried to address these problems and posted some explanation and apologies on here.
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Thanks for the reply Andy.
I'm happy to hear this.
I love the simple, no-fuss, "plug and play" design of your rotary encoder, that allows the Happs mechanical rotary joysticks (50-5618-00) to just "plug right in".
Now we can get back "on topic" ... anyone with any more news, on what the heck is happening over at Slikstik ??
Christian, are you out there ... anywhere ??
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No there would not be any benefit in having adjustable timings. Once the change was made this cured the problem completely. If anyone has the older chip, including in a Slikstik unit, I will replace it.
On the other matter, we have a large stock of the spinner knobs and it would be a shame to lose them in the future as they are great quality. Quality seems never to have been an problem with Slikstik, which is why its a shame about the other "issues".
I have spoken to Chris many times and always found him pleasant and he has always paid for our stuff on time. The stories on this thread simply cannot be ignored though and I just cant understand why he has not tried to address these problems and posted some explanation and apologies on here.
Being that you are their partner, can you get ahold of them?
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Being that you are their partner, can you get ahold of them?
Probably if he mentions needing to order more spinner knobs, he'll get a very quick reply. :laugh2:
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Being that you are their partner, can you get ahold of them?
I don't have any shortcut way of getting hold of them, no. The phone is just as unanswered for me as for anyone else.
I have communicated though, along the lines that future dealings are conditional on certain issues being addressed...
Any business has a right to expect its suppliers to have as high ethical standards as they do, so I would need assurance that this is the case. Awaiting confirmation of this...
Andy
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I am glad to see Chris got his CP, next week will be four months since I ordered mine.
Still trying to be optimistic, but I can't understand the unwillingness to communicate with anyone.
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6 weeks and no phone calls answered or emails. Silence.
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I am glad to see Chris got his CP, next week will be four months since I ordered mine.
Still trying to be optimistic, but I can't understand the unwillingness to communicate with anyone.
4 Months? Holy Crap!
Is there something I can do to help ease this frustration? Maybe offering a discount if you've been waiting too long for a panel. I guess that's if you actually get your money back.
I'm just trying to come up with a way to help these people get a Arcade Panel without having to wait much longer.
Any ideas?
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ArcadeEd: You're a class act bro...
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I'm into my fourth month and still waiting. The first excuse was the trackballs. Then it was the CP overlays.
The most recent excuse is my favorite! I was just told that the control panel is delayed because this is their busy season.
I'm just wishing that I had read the BYOAC forums before ever dealing with these guys. The rest of the web seemed to say nothing but good things about these scoundrels.
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I am glad to see Chris got his CP, next week will be four months since I ordered mine.
Still trying to be optimistic, but I can't understand the unwillingness to communicate with anyone.
4 Months? Holy Crap!
Is there something I can do to help ease this frustration? Maybe offering a discount if you've been waiting too long for a panel. I guess that's if you actually get your money back.
I'm just trying to come up with a way to help these people get a Arcade Panel without having to wait much longer.
Any ideas?
start making equivalent control panels :) (not really into the all in one type configuration)
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I was just told that the control panel is delayed because this is their busy season.
At least you heard from them.
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Is there something I can do to help ease this frustration? Maybe offering a discount if you've been waiting too long for a panel. I guess that's if you actually get your money back.
Any ideas?
Maybe you should post up prices including whatever discount you want to offer for making slickstick style panels... I would offer to help people out but i don't think jukebox software is much use if you want an arcade control panel. This doesn't look like it's going to end well :-[
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Hi everybody ...
I notice than all the control panels & cabs are now removed from the Slikstik website/webstore .
Now they appears to sell only the parts (spinner , sticks , part & accessories)
seems to be the end of the Slikstik control panel & cabs production .
A sad news for the past & current customers ...
KKB
PS : it's my first post :) on BYAC , mates , and all i can say about Slikstik is that i received my "classic" panel in january 2007 , 6 weeks after the order , in perfect condition . The only problem i had was ... to order :) : no answer to my primary emails , the webstore didn't work for oversea orders (i'm in France) , so i needed to phone ... a weird story with Christian, dealing with my monkey-english-dialect ROFL....
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I can also work with ED or any other of my commercial clients to help out. I would print the overlays for just material cost if someone is caught up in this mess.... there is a ton of other costs, equipment leases, employees, advertising, hosting, etc, etc... but if it can help people get something in hand, it will be worth it in the end.
BTW - I noticed Slikstik is no longer selling Control panels or cabinets. This can mean two things... either he is doing the right thing and not taking any new orders to concentrate on past due order. OR they are just getting out of that business.
Scott
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Well if there are those of us that have been waiting 4 months or more shouldn't ours be done first, before the holiday rush?
I have been told that SS makes CP's for other resellers like Dream Authentic, etc... sounds like these are getting priority over our orders.
I was last told that mine was ready to go it was just waiting on an IPAC to come in, that was several weeks ago.
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Well if there are those of us that have been waiting 4 months or more shouldn't ours be done first, before the holiday rush?
I have been told that SS makes CP's for other resellers like Dream Authentic, etc... sounds like these are getting priority over our orders.
I was last told that mine was ready to go it was just waiting on an IPAC to come in, that was several weeks ago.
That used to be the case, but to my knowlege, Dream Authentics is no longer using SlikStik. I could be off base on that, it's just what I have heard.
I agree yours should be done first. iPacs take about 2 days, 3 max, to come in from Andy. The holiday rush has already started for me, but the excuse about why yours is late is stupid. 4 months ago there was no holiday rush.
I do want to help on this, and ScottP and Ponyboy have offered to help as well. My biggest problem at the moment is thinking the 360 Stick orders would settle down, and it really hasn't. I don't want to make promises of delivering something by Christmas I am not sure I can. I will have a better gauge on things after the weekend.
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I appreciate the offers to help from everyone very much. I originally decided to get the cabinet and CP from SS to avoid the hassle and time of doing it myself. So now that is all I have is the frustration!
I have the PC ready to go, and I also have a 33" D9400 monitor (which limits my cabinet choices), and a couple of ACT light guns.
I really liked the layout of SS's CP as it worked with so many games, and I am looking for something similar, if I can find the wooden parts for the cabinet and CP I should be able to build the rest, I am OK with the electronics, but bad with woodworking!
I mailed out all of the paperwork to my credit card company this morning to get the charge reversed, maybe that will get SS's attention. I am on hold until that is resolved, but I am getting my parts list together to finally finish this project up. It really stinks to have to keep telling the wife and kids that it STILL hasn't come yet!!!
Thanks again for the support!
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I'm guessing the 33" does not fit in the UAII Cab kits from mameroom?
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I would love to take advantage of the very kind offers put forth by those like ArcadeEd and Scottp, but now I and everyone else are is the situation of "what do we do?" If SlikStik would just tell me "tough cookies you ain't getting anything from us and you ain't getting a refund" then I could move on with my life. As it is, sure as heck, if I order another panel then SlikStik will finally come through and then I have two panels.
Ya know, I'm not so much miffed that they have my money, I'm miffed that I sent them back my old panel AND my money. :cry: I should have left well enough alone.
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I have watched the various threads discussing SS's demise for over 6 weeks now. It's really a shame that a company that makes great products has negatively affected so many good people.
I especially feel bad for the various vendors like Scott - Mamemarquees.com and Andy - Ultimarc who have had to respond on this forum to defend themselves. Those 2 are of the highest ethical quality of anyone I have ever been associated with in my 8+ years in this hobby/business. :applaud:
Regarding SS's explanations for being late on a panel:
I have bought Happ Trackballs, Ultimarc I-Pacs, MameMarquee artwork continuously throughout 2007 with no significant vendor supply delays. If there was a short delay I went to the re-sellers and got my stuff there. It may have cost me more but we got the product out the door.
That said:
Many Times "Real Life" steps in and stops us cold. It happens to us all many times a year. Many of us, including me have full time day jobs.
Once in awhile we run late on projects due to this. All it takes is one e-mail to explain the delay and 99% of the time the customer fully understands our position.
SS may indeed be going through issues that we can't even imagine. But, IMO people just want to be recognised by having their e-mails and voicemails answered.
Simple communication.....
As I have advertised on this site all year we offer a 10% discount on all blank 2/4 player control panels for BYOAC members.
I will increase it to 20% for any customers who bought and never received, or managed to get, a refund on their blank panel purchase from SS. For those who bought a plug n play panel from SS I would suggest saving some money by buying the reduced price blank panel and then populate the panel yourself. It's very rewarding. BYOAC members, Divemaster and Ponyboy can supply the parts.
For those who are waiting for their plug n play 2/4 player panels from SS I offer a 10% discount off of our 2/4 player plug n play base priced panels including our new 48" Super Quad.
It's like getting free packing/shipping, plus our panels end up pricing out significantly less than SS's to start with anyway.
Jack
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I have watched the various threads discussing SS's demise for over 6 weeks now. It's really a shame that a company that makes great products has negatively affected so many good people.
I especially feel bad for the various vendors like Scott - Mamemarquees.com and Andy - Ultimarc who have had to respond on this forum to defend themselves. Those 2 are of the highest ethical quality of anyone I have ever been associated with in my 8+ years in this hobby/business. :applaud:
Regarding SS's explanations for being late on a panel:
I have bought Happ Trackballs, Ultimarc I-Pacs, MameMarquee artwork continuously throughout 2007 with no significant vendor supply delays. If there was a short delay I went to the re-sellers and got my stuff there. It may have cost me more but we got the product out the door.
That said:
Many Times "Real Life" steps in and stops us cold. It happens to us all many times a year. Many of us, including me have full time day jobs.
Once in awhile we run late on projects due to this. All it takes is one e-mail to explain the delay and 99% of the time the customer fully understands our position.
SS may indeed be going through issues that we can't even imagine. But, IMO people just want to be recognised by having their e-mails and voicemails answered.
Simple communication.....
As I have advertised on this site all year we offer a 10% discount on all blank 2/4 player control panels for BYOAC members.
I will increase it to 20% for any customers who bought and never received, or managed to get, a refund on their blank panel purchase from SS. For those who bought a plug n play panel from SS I would suggest saving some money by buying the reduced price blank panel and then populate the panel yourself. It's very rewarding. BYOAC members, Divemaster and Ponyboy can supply the parts.
For those who are waiting for their plug n play 2/4 player panels from SS I offer a 10% discount off of our 2/4 player plug n play base priced panels including our new 48" Super Quad.
It's like getting free packing/shipping, plus our panels end up pricing out significantly less than SS's to start with anyway.
Jack
You, sir, are a top notch person. :cheers:
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Awesome Jack!
I hope you get some takers on that. It's a great deal, and you are fine person for throwing it out there.
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Jack,
What a great idea and a gracious offer. I will definitely be taking you up on it in the next week or two, as we move into the four month anniversary of my order with SlikStik.
All the best,
Joe
I have watched the various threads discussing SS's demise for over 6 weeks now. It's really a shame that a company that makes great products has negatively affected so many good people.<snip>
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Has anyone had an email reply or talked to them on the phone in the last week? I've tried calling twice more, only the answering machine.
I decided not to email this week. :timebomb:
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Jack,
I appreciate your generous offer, I am going to have to wait until I get my refund before moving forward at this point.
I tried calling every 15 minutes one day, no one ever answered. I have pretty much given up on e-mails as well.
I knew about some of the issues with SS prior to ordering, but I called a few times and spoke with Christian... and I have to say I liked the guy. He took the time to answer my questions, made some good suggestions for my project and I trusted him. Because I felt like I could trust him and as the days go on I feel that trust has been abused and violated.
I was to pick up my cabinet and CP at SS... I am within a couple hours drive of them and have considered just going to visit several times, but I can't see how this would turn out well. My wife jokes that she is not driving to NJ with bail money.
I think the best thing those of us can do that are waiting is to keep up the communication here, so if any of us hear anything at least the rest will know.
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Jack,
I appreciate your generous offer, I am going to have to wait until I get my refund before moving forward at this point.
I tried calling every 15 minutes one day, no one ever answered. I have pretty much given up on e-mails as well.
I knew about some of the issues with SS prior to ordering, but I called a few times and spoke with Christian... and I have to say I liked the guy. He took the time to answer my questions, made some good suggestions for my project and I trusted him. Because I felt like I could trust him and as the days go on I feel that trust has been abused and violated.
I was to pick up my cabinet and CP at SS... I am within a couple hours drive of them and have considered just going to visit several times, but I can't see how this would turn out well. My wife jokes that she is not driving to NJ with bail money.
I think the best thing those of us can do that are waiting is to keep up the communication here, so if any of us hear anything at least the rest will know.
Show up with a video camera...ask him direct questions on camera...see what he does. Perhaps he'd be more open to giving your money back if you had him on camera?
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I've had to modify or nuke a couple of posts making jokes or hinting about physical confrontation. Please keep that off the forum, and restrict this thread to facts and opinions.
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As a side note, it looks like the BBB in New Jersey has put another complaint or two about SlikStik on their website. I would certainly encourage anyone who still hasn't received a refund to go that route. Perhaps with enough complaints, SlikStik may decide to do something...or at least respond to the BBB when they have a request for information.
It still amazes me that they feel they can do this to their customers and get away with it. They can dodge phone calls, they can dodge e-mails, but when the police show up with a summons, it might be a bit difficult to avoid.
Funny thing is that despite how frustrated I am, I never considered driving out there for a confrontation. It IS New Jersey after all! :D
Onyx
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The only reason the BBB exists is to collect membership fees from buisnesses, it can do nothing if the buisness in question isn't a paid member. They are a mostly useless organization that people only tend to refrence AFTER something goes wrong.
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Please read this post:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=73661.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=73661.0)
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The news about Mameroom is great. Scott is very reachable and answers all questions. Great product design, too. Anyway, great for those needing a CP. But, unsure how it affects those of us waiting on accessories - are those part of the deal too?
Anyway, here is an update on my quest to get a SS tornado spinner through Ebay. After multiple unanwered emails, I tracked down the phone number of one of Christian's associates, who owns the SlikStik Ebay account. He gave me Christian's cell number, but it was treated just like the SS main number -- straight to vm. I tried texting too, but no response.
In the meantime, I disputed the auction payment on Ebay. I bought on 10/26, but never heard a thing from SS, even though I paid on the same day. Someone (maybe Christian?) responded to the dispute today, as I requested shipment by today, or threatened to chargeback. Below is the exchange, and where I've left it:
From Buyer: XXXXX on 11/18/2007 00:08 EST
I have tried emailing and calling to get any information about the shipment of the arcade spinner. The emails go unanswered, and the phone is never picked up. Your website quotes shipment within 3-5 business days, and the auction ended over a month ago. I paid promptly, and then never heard from you. I really would like the spinner, but at this point, you have given me no indication that it is coming, and I need it for a holiday gift for my kids. Either ship it Monday, and upgrade the shipping so I receive it by Wednesday, or I will be forced to reverse the transaction.
Thanks,
XXXXXXXX
From Buyer: XXXXXXX on 11/18/2007 00:10 EST
Sorry - not over a month ago, but almost a month ago. Still, way past 3-5 business days...
From Seller: SlikStik on 11/19/2007 12:33 EST
It seems by your message here that you did read the policy page, since that is the only location on our website where this information is posted, with that being said, it also seems that you are neglecting to read the additional terms that are listed there.
The website states: "Quote"
****When you place an order, your order ID# is generated and placed in the order queue. The following shipping/manufacturing times are as accurate as possible but are subject to change without notice depending on part availability and manufacturing times.****
Subject to change without notice. This means if a part is out of stock we withhold the right to change the delivery time/s with out notice, and this is where your order stands. The parts are already on their way and are due in any day. As soon as they arrive, your order will ship, with the exact shipping method provided.
From Buyer: XXXXXXX on 11/19/2007 18:23 EST
SlikStik:
I guess I should start by thanking you for an update on my purchase. It is a shame that it took a dispute and threats to get to even this point. If you had simply replied to my earlier emails, calls, texts, etc., I would have never had to file the dispute. All I really want is the spinner, which is supposed to be an excellent product. Unfortunately, your complete lack of customer service has severely limited my faith in your ability to fulfill the order.
It seems by YOUR message that you believe that the caveat language on your website allows you to change delivery times in all circumstances, not withstanding the standard stated shipping times. While I do not dispute that you have the ability to set or change your own shipping times without notice, what you don't have is an unlimited right to do so while retaining my payment, when you provided no notice that the spinner was out of stock or limited stock when the order was placed. That, unfortunately, violates the Georgia Fair Business Practices Act, which I assume YOU neglected to read. Because I initiated the purchase from my home computer in Georgia, the Act applies to the transaction, regardless of the fact that you are located in New Jersey.
As I said above, however, I am primarily interested in receiving the spinner (not seeking civil penalties or having the sheriff serve you for fun). However, the cabinet I'm building is a Hanukkah gift for my kids, and the holiday is just a couple of weeks away. So, I will take your "any day" arrival time to mean that the spinner will ship THIS WEEK. If you do not send me an email confirmation by 11/23 with a UPS tracking number, I will process the chargeback through American Express.
XXXXXX
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Good Luck, but you might as well just cancel the order now and get a spinner from GGG. At least you know you will have it on time.
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Yes, I agree. The Groovy Game Gear spinner is great and cheaper! Smooth as silk to when playing. I recommend it.
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Has anyone had an email reply or talked to them on the phone in the last week? I've tried calling twice more, only the answering machine.
I decided not to email this week. :timebomb:
I received an email on Nov 5th that ended with this statement:
"You have our word as a manufacturer that your order is being worked on and will
be out to you as soon as possible."
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Based on the other thread that states SS is selling out, I don't know what to believe anymore.
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Another tale of woe...
Man do I wish I would have found this thread before I ordered from Slikstik.
Here is the story:
In may I ordered a quad unit from slikstik with an overlay and colors to match the overlay. I bought this for our church youth room ( we are going to put two of these in eventually ).
The ordering process and pre-sales discussions were great. Great communication, all my questions were answered.
After the order everything changed. After waiting for the standard 6 weeks I started calling and emailing them. After no response one day I called about 9 times and finally got an answer.
Excuse #1: Trackball is on back order. He stated that he was sorry that there had been no communications and i must have been an issue with my email.
After waiting another month I started trying to get in touch with him agian. This time it took several emails and phone calls before i was able to talk to someone or hear from someone.
Excuse #2: When I spoke to them this time I was told that the buttons were on back order from happ. Since I had custom colors they would take probably one week and then the unit could be finished.
Well this one was less believable than the first but since he was apologetic and I was excited that we would have this in two weeks I was ok with it.
After 3 weeks I started emailing and calling again. Now I was angry. It took almost two months before i was able to talk to someone or get a response from someone.
Excuse #3: This time it is the overlay. The overlay cam in but it was not right. He was sending the overlay back and it would be shipping by the end of the week. He was super apologetic even remarked that he understood why i was upset since this was ordered in May.
I started emailing and calling before the end of the week. I received the string below. (might want to start at the bottom of the email string.
---------EMAIL---------
Oops,
I responded to the wrong email. I'll be responding to yours as soon as I speak my boss. Sorry about that.
Paul
Team SlikStik
http://www.slikstik.com
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "SlikStik" <info@slikstik.com>
Reply-To: <info@slikstik.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:55:32 -0400
Steven,
We just took a picture, We'll send it over later.
Paul
Team SlikStik
http://www.slikstik.com
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: XXXXXXX
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:58:37 -0500
>Any news on the artwork or shipping?
>
>Regards,
>
>Steven
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SlikStik [mailto:info@slikstik.com]
>Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:40 AM
>To: XXXXXXXX
>Subject: Re: Shipping date
>
>
>Steve,
>
> Sorry for the delayed reply, very busy here. We haven't received the
>artwork yet. When I spoke to you I told you it was on its way, and it
>is, it just hasn't gotten here yet. Post office is seriously dragging
>their ass on this shipment.
>
>Don't worry; as soon as it gets here your unit is out of here.
>
>Christian
>Team SlikStik
>http://www.slikstik.com
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: XXXXXXXX
>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:59:54 -0500
>
>>I was told on Monday that my quad unit was complete and ready to ship
>>when the overlay is applied. This was supposed to happen today at the
>>latest. Please update me on the status of this order.
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Steven
>>_____________________________________________________________
>Sent via the WebMail system at slikstik.com
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That was the last communication I have had with Slikstik. I have sent tons of emails and left voicemails.
I contacted the Better Business Beuro and they ended up closing the case since Slikstik would not respond. Now I am forced to take them to small claims court to get anything back.
If you are considering buying anything from Slikstik DON"T DO IT.
If any of you have any ideas on a place that I can order a quad unit from that will be dependable and not steal from me then I would greatly appreciate the information.
If any of they guys at slikstik are reading this then I would just appreciate my money back without having to take you guys to court.
That said I have a call into my attorney to discuss how best to take this to small claims court.
Thanks,
Steven
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I have to agree that this is great news, but since (as you said yourself) you are still only in negotiations, it may still be some time before any of us see the products we ordered months ago, let alone a refund, which according to your other post is something you will not be offering.
I mailed the paperwork for a small claims lawsuit today. For those who have exhausted their options, I'd recommend this link:
http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/civil/civ-02.htm
SlikStik is based in Essex County, so you'll need to mail the paperwork to:
Superior Court of New Jersey
Law Division
Special Civil Part
Essex County
50 West Market Street, Room 113
Newark, NJ 07102
The filing fee is $22 and they recommend you mail the paperwork certified with return receipt. You should be able to recover these costs as part of the lawsuit.
Now, the down side to this whole process is that as the Plaintiff, you MUST appear in court on the date and time they indicate, otherwise the case will be dismissed. The last place on earth I'd want to spend any length of time is New Jersey, but I fully intend to see this through. I doubt travel expenses can be included in the award, but I might push for those, too.
I think it goes without saying that if you're considering this you should read all of the materials in the link above and be absolutely sure that this is what you want to do.
I'll keep you posted on what happens, but I don't think I'll be commenting on this much until after my court date.
Onyx
Please read this post:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=73661.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=73661.0)
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According to my lawyer, you can file the small claims court at your local court. Since they are soliciting your business at your home, you can use the local courts. I'm going to be be filing my claim after Thanksgiving.
Hope this helps! (And I hope it is accurate ;D)
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...just a bump to keep this on the front page to help prevent people from getting screwed!
PS: Hi Christian!
:cheers:
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hi everyone. i'm new to the forum, but i've been reading the posts for about 3 or 4 weeks now. of course the reason i started looking here was because i had a similar story to the many i've seen posted here. i will give a high level account of my story because most of it will just repeat what others have said. my purpose here is to hopefully give people who still haven't received their CP's yet some ray of hope. i know i felt a little more at ease when i saw that Chris from Canada received his CP. it at least gave me some hope that SS didn't just up and leave with my money. well, here goes.
I ordered the Quad unit from SS on June 11 and asked for an upgrade a few weeks later. the next part of my story is the same as everyone else so i'm going to skip it. i will say, however, that i was pretty angry that it was taking so long to get my unit.
I finally got someone on the phone about 3 weeks ago and found out it was Christian. I spoke to him for a while about my order and he told me it would be ready the following week. He also gave me his cell # so i could keep in contact with him and set up a date to pick it up (luckily i live in NJ and I'm only a half hour away). The next time i spoke to him (11/13) he said it would be ready on 11/16. I drove out an met him on 11/16 and my CP was ready to go. Everything looked great. I hooked it up last weekend and it works fine.
Before I go into my next part, I want to say that this was the first time I ever met Christian. I am not a relative of his nor one of his drinking buddies.
I spoke with Christian for about an hour the day i picked up my unit and he was very apologetic about the delay. I have to say he is a really nice guy when you speak with him. He realizes that his customer service needs some work and i really think he wants to get the CP's out to everyone that has placed an order. I saw about 5 or 6 CP's there that were waiting for trackballs. I'm not taking anyone's side on why the trackballs aren't there, but for whatever reason, they are not. I'm definitely not trying to make excuses for what is going on - I'm simply sharing my experience with everyone. I really hope that everyone gets their CP's soon. I did suggest to Christian that maybe he could put something on the SS main page about any delays that are going on so people who are looking to place an order will know that there are some kind of delays and if they order, they know the CP will take a bit longer than they would expect. Now that my ordeal is over and after speaking with Christian, I wish him good luck in trying to re-establish his reputation.
anyway, my main reason for posting here is to let everyone know that CP's still seem like they are being worked on and being sent out when they are completed. I also wanted to post a picture of my entire unit now that it is finally finished (if i can figure out how to do it).
Now that i have my arcade running, i wanted to see if anyone could help me. I'm having problems running the different game systems using the CP. MAME works great - no problems. But when i try to run any of the consoles like Nintendo or Atari, etc. I can't get the CP buttons and joysticks to work with the games. The games run, they just don't seem to recognize the CP. Any advice? I really appreciate it.
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I had e-mailed SlikStik about a week ago asking about their cabinet kits that were mentioned in the Project Arcade book. (I REALLY want to build my own cabinet, but I do not have any room at all to build one, nor do I have the tools, nor do I really have the talents to do this on my own. Therefore, I need to buy a kit or a pre-built cabinet). So I was hoping to be able to pick up the cabinet kit that was mentioned because the overall design is what I was looking for. I have not yet heard anything.
Meanwhile, last night I read about J&J's Arcade by reading this thread and e-mailed him with my thoughts. Within about half an hour I got a response from Mark stating "We can customize any cabinet design that you want." I'm just looking for a cabinet shell and don't want to spend a ton of money, and Mark said that they'd be able to customize the cabinet to my needs. Therefore, for around $1600, including shipping, I should be able to get my cabinet shell without the monitor, computer or control panel. Those are items that I can purchase slowly over time.
While i know that building my own would probably be much cheaper, I don't own a truck or a vehicle to pick up a cabinet or the materials to build one, and I don't have a garage to build one in. So this is really my only choice. I've been very pleased with the response time so far, especially during the Thanksgiving holiday. Once pay-day comes and I have the money to afford it, I'll be puchasing the cabinet shell and then later on getting my monitor from him.
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So, according to your statement, it took 5 months to build it and you had to go pick it up.
Totally unacceptible in my book. It's really a joke actually and I just reversed my CC charges, so it doesn't matter for me anymore. I'm going to find one from a company who values their customers.
hi everyone. i'm new to the forum, but i've been reading the posts for about 3 or 4 weeks now. of course the reason i started looking here was because i had a similar story to the many i've seen posted here. i will give a high level account of my story because most of it will just repeat what others have said. my purpose here is to hopefully give people who still haven't received their CP's yet some ray of hope. i know i felt a little more at ease when i saw that Chris from Canada received his CP. it at least gave me some hope that SS didn't just up and leave with my money. well, here goes.
I ordered the Quad unit from SS on June 11 and asked for an upgrade a few weeks later. the next part of my story is the same as everyone else so i'm going to skip it. i will say, however, that i was pretty angry that it was taking so long to get my unit.
I finally got someone on the phone about 3 weeks ago and found out it was Christian. I spoke to him for a while about my order and he told me it would be ready the following week. He also gave me his cell # so i could keep in contact with him and set up a date to pick it up (luckily i live in NJ and I'm only a half hour away). The next time i spoke to him (11/13) he said it would be ready on 11/16. I drove out an met him on 11/16 and my CP was ready to go. Everything looked great. I hooked it up last weekend and it works fine.
Before I go into my next part, I want to say that this was the first time I ever met Christian. I am not a relative of his nor one of his drinking buddies.
I spoke with Christian for about an hour the day i picked up my unit and he was very apologetic about the delay. I have to say he is a really nice guy when you speak with him. He realizes that his customer service needs some work and i really think he wants to get the CP's out to everyone that has placed an order. I saw about 5 or 6 CP's there that were waiting for trackballs. I'm not taking anyone's side on why the trackballs aren't there, but for whatever reason, they are not. I'm definitely not trying to make excuses for what is going on - I'm simply sharing my experience with everyone. I really hope that everyone gets their CP's soon. I did suggest to Christian that maybe he could put something on the SS main page about any delays that are going on so people who are looking to place an order will know that there are some kind of delays and if they order, they know the CP will take a bit longer than they would expect. Now that my ordeal is over and after speaking with Christian, I wish him good luck in trying to re-establish his reputation.
anyway, my main reason for posting here is to let everyone know that CP's still seem like they are being worked on and being sent out when they are completed. I also wanted to post a picture of my entire unit now that it is finally finished (if i can figure out how to do it).
Now that i have my arcade running, i wanted to see if anyone could help me. I'm having problems running the different game systems using the CP. MAME works great - no problems. But when i try to run any of the consoles like Nintendo or Atari, etc. I can't get the CP buttons and joysticks to work with the games. The games run, they just don't seem to recognize the CP. Any advice? I really appreciate it.
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Mikeyman,
Would you be willing to reveal that phone number to me off line?
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I had e-mailed SlikStik about a week ago asking about their cabinet kits that were mentioned in the Project Arcade book. (I REALLY want to build my own cabinet, but I do not have any room at all to build one, nor do I have the tools, nor do I really have the talents to do this on my own. Therefore, I need to buy a kit or a pre-built cabinet). So I was hoping to be able to pick up the cabinet kit that was mentioned because the overall design is what I was looking for. I have not yet heard anything.
Meanwhile, last night I read about J&J's Arcade by reading this thread and e-mailed him with my thoughts. Within about half an hour I got a response from Mark stating "We can customize any cabinet design that you want." I'm just looking for a cabinet shell and don't want to spend a ton of money, and Mark said that they'd be able to customize the cabinet to my needs. Therefore, for around $1600, including shipping, I should be able to get my cabinet shell without the monitor, computer or control panel. Those are items that I can purchase slowly over time.
While i know that building my own would probably be much cheaper, I don't own a truck or a vehicle to pick up a cabinet or the materials to build one, and I don't have a garage to build one in. So this is really my only choice. I've been very pleased with the response time so far, especially during the Thanksgiving holiday. Once pay-day comes and I have the money to afford it, I'll be puchasing the cabinet shell and then later on getting my monitor from him.
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Check out mameroom.com They have really good kits that you can get for around 500- 600. I have gotten one of their bartop kits and it was great. Here is a link to their page:
http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_UAII.asp
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Wow. Fantastic looking. Too bad they don't have a kit of their Ultimate Arcade I cabinet. That's the style I'm really looking for. In the meantime, I found another site where the person running it is willing to custom build any arcade design that you can provide, and he's quoted me a price of around $500 plus shipping for the design I want. It pretty much meets my needs because it's a bare, empty shell that is not painted but is just built. That's exactly what I'm looking for and I'm currently shooting off some ideas to Brian to see if it can be done.
I'm now really getting excited! ;D
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Not that it helps any, but I like to drag this quote out every once in a while, especially when it seems like Slikstik may be going under...
Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on June 15, 2006, 09:48:00 AM
Quote from: SlikStik Christian on June 13, 2006, 01:04:09 PM
some of these posters have nothing better to do than hop between bandwagons and build up their post rankings with nonsense.
Dang how stupid of us to disagree with you, who are perfect, and never post irrelevant rubbish like: "this forum should be called AYOC" Huh?!!
And YOU clearly have nothing better to do than post insults to the community and your competitors..... Like I said, time that could be better spent dealing with your dreadfull customer service record.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
Please Julian, we really need your help. If you dont order something we will really be in trouble. I am so sorry for upsetting you, please forgive me.
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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Not that it helps any, but I like to drag this quote out every once in a while, especially when it seems like Slikstik may be going under...
Dang!! You know what!! I never did order anything from him.... because of his obnoxious attitude on here.
It must be entirely my fault that his company is now in a big pile of doggy poo. How right it turns out he was, when he was begging me to order from him like that. "Oh Woe Is Me" I feel so guilty for not giving him my money so that he could sit on it for months or years at a time and not produce the product. ROFLMGDAO :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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Not that I think it would work any better but I would love that number also.
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Still being new to this whole thing, can anyone help me with running console games while using my CP? i'm trying to run games like nintendo 64, etc. Also, I know there is a way to hook up the xbox to the CP also. if anyone knows how to do that i would appreciate that too. thanks.
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Still being new to this whole thing, can anyone help me with running console games....(SNIP)...
Wrong thread! That's very off topic in this one.
If you want to ask this sort of question start a new thread to ask it.
But the first thing you should do is search the forum! the answers are out there.
If you don't find the answer in your search, then PLEASE be more specific with your questions. If you have a specific problem running console games, what is the problem exactly.
If you haven't even tried to run them yourself first.... then don't ask, because you'll get rounded on for not putting the effort in to try for yourself first!
NEW THREAD!
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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Hello all,
Glad to hear there might be help for Slikstik customers through a possible merger. Reading back you'll find my experience with slikstik, but you'll miss some since the first thread burned up in flames. I did file a compaint with the BBB in NJ and as expected received it closed with no response from Christian. Luckily I managed to get my problems worked out without any assistance from Slikstik. I do have my Cabinet and CP, though not perfect it works and looks very good. Andy, there are some problems with the Marque Christian supplied and I would like to get with you off line to order a new one; so I will go to your site to do that. If anyone is interested I will post photos of the CP and Cabintet to show the customizations and end product. I would suggest all outstanding customers of Slikstik to protect yourself and avoid business with the company until they get their act together. As for all the request for Christians personal cell phone, I understand everyones need to get a hold of Christian. But he will ignore recognized numbers even on his personal line. I got him to pick up once by using my wife's cell phone :).
Ken Nolan
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Luckily I managed to get my problems worked out without any assistance from Slikstik.
Can you explain what you mean by this? I would love to get my problem worked out without any assistance from SlikStik. ;D
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Shouldn't this post be made a sticky? I bet there's lots of people that want to order from Slik Stik but will change their mind when they read about the trouble. I was one of them....
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8 weeks, and not a peep.
Anyone been able to get them on the phone this last week? :timebomb:
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whats up with these guys ?
they took most of their products down off the web store as well ... so they mostly only have sticks,buttons,spinners now
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It looks like Mameroom Designs has worked out some sort of deal where they are selling the SlikStik CP's and are promising 15 day lead times. I hope all goes well.
My recent experience with SlikStik was extremely disheartening. At first I supported them because I was getting decent communication. But they would never give me an estimated ship date. Instead, they would tell me that it was delayed 1-2 weeks because of tracball issues, then overlays, then it was the busy season etc. After almost 4 months of waiting for a control panel, I tried to cancel my order but I could never get a confirmation from SlikStik. So I turned the matter over to my credit card company and the BBB of Trenton, NJ. The credit card company has issued me a conditional refund while they pursue this.
I think that the way that SlikStik has been doing business is criminal. They take money and then purposefully give the customer the run-around. I really hope that there is a karmic justice system and they get what they deserve.
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I'd be nice if Christian would nut-up and come in here to at least respond to the customers he is (evidently) giving the shaft. He is fully aware of this thread I am sure...hell, he probably has read through it a few times.
Christian: How about responding to your customers concerns??
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I'd be nice if Christian would nut-up and come in here to at least respond to the customers he is (evidently) giving the shaft. He is fully aware of this thread I am sure...hell, he probably has read through it a few times.
Christian: How about responding to your customers concerns??
he does not care about his customers, never has. i have dealt with him twice over the years and both times he screwed up some how and was never willing to make it right.
what might help everyone out here is to post a list in this thread of all the known control panel makers that have a good reputaion.
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whats up with these guys ?
they took most of their products down off the web store as well ... so they mostly only have sticks,buttons,spinners now
Well, things are getting worse.
I just tried to access the SlikStik site, and it appears to be down.
Has this weasle done a runner, with everyone's money ??
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Has this weasle done a runner, with everyone's money ??
Yes! what were you expecting to happen?? that he'd suddenly produce all the panels that have been outstanding or refund people!! LOL dream on!
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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I checked their website this morning, it's up.
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Yup its still up, but all options to order any kind of cabinet or control panel is no longer available. Looks like they stopped robbing people of their money somewhat. Now if only I got my panel I ordered back in August :angry:
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Hey...it looks like Christian is doing BYOAC a favor of sorts. How many new members have we gotten because someone got screwed and pulled a google search on "SS + sucks" or something similar and found this forum! WELCOME ALL SS SUFFERERS! Sorry to hear you got screwed...
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Yep, I am one of those people. I Google'd "SlikStik issues" and was directed to this forum. It has helped me out tremendously on other topics, so thanks! But alas, I am still without my CP I ordered from SlikStik in August. And of course, without my money too. I hope that acquisition goes through, because I would really like to get my CP by 2009!
Thanks again!
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As with others, I found out about this thread far too late, and
these scurvy dogs now have my money, and I'm without a
spinner. I've sent e-mails, left voice mails at the official number <grumble>
BUT, I thought others here would be interested in this page...
http://www.gobignetwork.com/classified/active/industry-leader-seeks-angel/66688/index.aspx (http://www.gobignetwork.com/classified/active/industry-leader-seeks-angel/66688/index.aspx)
I think it's another indication that Slik Stik is in trouble. But, more
to the aid of folks on this thread, here are some numbers that might
be worth knowing about...
http://www.411.com/search/FindPerson?firstname=Jerome&name=Mascari&state=nj&city=nutley (http://www.411.com/search/FindPerson?firstname=Jerome&name=Mascari&state=nj&city=nutley)
Good luck to all.
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Very Interesting find, Gazpacho!
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wtf, they are looking for $2 Mil in funding?
Another profile site:
Detailed Slikstik Llc Company Profile (http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_hcj7m2) 5 employees with an annual sale of $280,000
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whos this jerome dude, i thought it was a christian you all referred to
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whos this jerome dude, i thought it was a christian you all referred to
Christian is the fellow who works with them that is mainly responsible for driving down their reputation.
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wtf, they are looking for $2 Mil in funding?
Another profile site:
Detailed Slikstik Llc Company Profile (http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_hcj7m2) 5 employees with an annual sale of $280,000
ROFLMAO...... They value the company at $2 Mil !!!!! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: Those numbers just don't add up!
5 Employees, Annual Turnover of just $280,000 = $0 Proffit! In fact it probably means negative proffits... which would explain the current poop pile and failures to supply the goods.
Nobody in their right minds would value that at $2 Mil.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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Here's something else interesting.........
Has anybody noticed SickSlick producing any in house inventions??
Here's what they claim:
"SlikStik is a industry leading manufacturer of Home game room arcade machines, we are known world wide as the leader in this industry. ( HA HA HA Ho Ho!! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: ) We have been actively manufacturing our product line on a small scale for 5 years and are the only manufacturer of many in house inventions."
Buggered if I know what these in house inventions are, that they are the only manufacturer of! Maybe somebody could enlighten us as to what it is in the Arcade Industry they actually invented and have patents on! Apart from not supplying machines, after people have paid them (that's a pretty new invention). Maybe they're the recognised industry leader in that.... Maybe they hope that all other manufacturers will follow their lead, and stop actually supplying the goods, while still taking the money for them. :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Here's another odd thing to note.... The business analysis site lists their gross turnover as $280,000..... They on the other hand are asking for $2 Mil and on the same page stating their gross turnover is in excess of $1 Mil... Wonder who's telling the truth here.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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industry leading manufacturer
lol... I see many members here that produce far better stuff.
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wtf, they are looking for $2 Mil in funding?
Another profile site:
Detailed Slikstik Llc Company Profile (http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_hcj7m2) 5 employees with an annual sale of $280,000
ROFLMAO...... They value the company at $2 Mil !!!!! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: Those numbers just don't add up!
5 Employees, Annual Turnover of just $280,000 = $0 Proffit! In fact it probably means negative proffits... which would explain the current poop pile and failures to supply the goods.
Nobody in their right minds would value that at $2 Mil.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
in that case , im out. :D
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I guess Mameroom already forked over the $2 mil :P
BTW SlikStik did have some innovations. The stainless steel joysticks, lighted ball top joysticks, the SlikStik spinner (it was state of the art for quite a few years), the Spintrak and their spinner tops still have no match.
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I guess Mameroom already forked over the $2 mil :P
BTW SlikStik did have some innovations. The stainless steel joysticks, lighted ball top joysticks, the SlikStik spinner (it was state of the art for quite a few years), the Spintrak and their spinner tops still have no match.
Dunno about the tops, but GGG's spinner is a better spinner...
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I guess Mameroom already forked over the $2 mil :P
BTW SlikStik did have some innovations. The stainless steel joysticks, lighted ball top joysticks, the SlikStik spinner (it was state of the art for quite a few years), the Spintrak and their spinner tops still have no match.
Dunno about the tops, but GGG's spinner is a better spinner...
It most certainly is..... and I didn't say that they didn't have any innovations..... But they claimed to have INVENTIONS, that they are the sole manufacturer of.... I can't see anything that can't be copied or isn't already being supplied by somebody else. So in terms of an investment opportunity they got exactly diddly squat, in a very small market place.
So what did they do....
Their buttons and sticks and trackballs were made by HAPP and Betson
Their spinner interface and keyboard interface were Ultimarc
Their Overlays were MameMarquees
And I'll take bets that they didn't even make the Spinner itself.
So at the end of the day they made some nice wooden boxes to put it all in! Some invention! and still they couldn't get their act together to deliver the damned things.
Not to mention the fact that they've clearly fabricated their turnover figures.... Any investor with that sort of money to put in is just going to have a fit of laughing at them. Watch!! :laugh2: :laugh2: See!! ;D
We're well rid of these clowns.... It's just a pitty that so many people have suffered as a result of them.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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Here's another odd thing to note.... The business analysis site lists their gross turnover as $280,000..... They on the other hand are asking for $2 Mil and on the same page stating their gross turnover is in excess of $1 Mil... Wonder who's telling the truth here.
$1 Mil in orders received and $280,000 in orders delivered. It all adds up ...
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To answer the question of what I did. I went to my bank and had them reverse the ATM/Credit Card transaction. It took two times to get it right, since Christian tried it right back after being paid through paypal. But it worked out just fine after a prearbitration letter was sent and a slight suggestion I would initiate a Federal wire fraud investigation if I did not get the $2200.00+ back through my request from the bank.
To comment of SlikStik inventions. Another item Christian stated he had finished was a new trackball. I have seen the digital pictures of it but never seen it in action.
Ken
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Has anybody tried any of the phone numbers provided above yet?
I'd be particularly curious which ones work and which don't.
I'd also be curious as to the reactions these people have to
being contacted at home. :-)
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"Hello,
My name is Joe Blow, I work for a local newspaper called the Arcade Times that is doing a story on arcade scams on the internet. We've been keeping track of your company and are in the process of writing an all inclusive article on your business practices and before we go to press we were wondering if you had any comment?"
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But it worked out just fine after a prearbitration letter was sent and a slight suggestion I would initiate a Federal wire fraud investigation if I did not get the $2200.00+ back through my request from the bank.
Well done Ken,
It's nice to see somebody got their money back out of him, especially as it was that much. Even if it did take a threat of reporting it as a serious crime, to get it. It's nice to see at least one happy ending, even if it wasn't one actually created by SickSlick doing the right thing.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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I have never figured out how they didn't make money?? Their cabs were not exactly cheap. Although I was happy with my purchase but it was a long time ago.
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I have never figured out how they didn't make money?? Their cabs were not exactly cheap. Although I was happy with my purchase but it was a long time ago.
Because a business needs a market..... This is in reality a very small market place. A business with 5 employees has more overheads than you think. A single person running it in his spare time might just scrape through, but not something this size. In any case, the history of this hobby is littered with people who thought they could make money out of building cabinet kits and parts. Very very few have actually managed that, unless it's on the back of another business.
Look at it this way.... Groovy Game Gear is run by Randy and his Other Half. Even he doesn't make the sort of money that buys Rolls Royce cars and Swimming Pools from it.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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got the first slikstik via mameroom.com i think :applaud: posted about it in this thread.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=74194.0
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8 weeks without a peep.
My bank is clueless on the dispute too. Everytime I call them, they say they'll look into it and call me back. Never hear from them either.
I ordered another panel from arcadesrfun, hoping to get it before christmas, but not sure. So, now I'm out $1500 with no panel. Has anyone emailed Mameroom to see if there order was bought by them?
I'll probably wind up with 2 in Janurary. :(
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So who's selling this? And I wonder if the trackball shortage is affecting his delivery of spinners???
Ebay Auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/SlikStik-Tornado-Arcade-Spinner_W0QQitemZ280181452892QQihZ018QQcategoryZ3677QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
On a separate note: just got my GGG TT2 spinner, it's like butta! The thing feels bulletproof...
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yea, sure is funny the seller is from new jersey just like slikstick
hmmm..... >:D
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yea, sure is funny the seller is from new jersey just like slikstick
hmmm..... >:D
Mascari, Jerome
Job title:
Owner
Company:
Slikstik LLC
That ebay auction IS from SlikStik, lol.
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Wow. Look at the last 2 feedback responses left for that seller.
"SCAM! no responce 3 emails 2 fon calls. In dispute. ordered 1Nov. DO NOT BUY!!"
"prchsed 7/23 still no item. no rspnse frm email or phn the lst 3 wks. DON'T BUY"
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On a whim, I posed a question to this guy's eBay account, wondering
how quickly it would ship if I were to buy it. I asked on Saturday, and
he replied...
If you purchase that item directly from our website (the cost is $5.00 more), it will ship on Monday and you will have it way before Christmas.
So, being the stinker that I am, I then wrote back the following...
That's excellent news.
But now I'm curious and confused.
How come when I ordered the exact same thing directly from your web
site, as you suggested, I never heard back from you? I left voice
mails, sent e-mails... all without a reply. You didn't even acknowledge
my direct and clear request to have the original order canceled after
weeks of inactivity on your side.
Yet... you're now offering the exact same thing on eBay, and saying
that it would ship within a day or two.
Please explain.
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On a whim, I posed a question to this guy's eBay account, wondering
how quickly it would ship if I were to buy it. I asked on Saturday, and
he replied...
If you purchase that item directly from our website (the cost is $5.00 more), it will ship on Monday and you will have it way before Christmas.
So, being the stinker that I am, I then wrote back the following...
That's excellent news.
But now I'm curious and confused.
How come when I ordered the exact same thing directly from your web
site, as you suggested, I never heard back from you? I left voice
mails, sent e-mails... all without a reply. You didn't even acknowledge
my direct and clear request to have the original order canceled after
weeks of inactivity on your side.
Yet... you're now offering the exact same thing on eBay, and saying
that it would ship within a day or two.
Please explain.
:laugh2: :laugh2:
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Hey! Guess what!
I've not received any reply or reaction to my note.
(No surprise there)
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Heads up for a post on the Hardware forum over at MW.....
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=134292&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1
For those that are not registered....
Okay guys--I guess I've lost $2500. I hope I can just save someone else from making the same mistake.
I have not gotten a phone call from Slikstik since the last one I discussed in the forums above (back in July), despite leaving numerous messages requesting for them to call me back. I have also e-mailed numerous times, and have no received a response since they last updated me (which required me to have a friend who lives in New Jersey to drive by their shop). Supposedly, this whole delay has been due to a backordered trackball, yet on this last update the trackballs had finally arrived, and now it is supposedly the overlay. I have no idea why--after months of waiting for a trackball--they didn't use some of my $2500 to go ahead and have everything else ready (as they promised in several e-mails. One stated specifically that my order would ship the day after they received the trackballs).
I have filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau, and they have not heard back from Slikstik. I have filed a complaint with the Nutley, New Jersey Division of Consumer Protection. The head of the department, AnnMarie Nicolette, got a prompt callback from Christian Stango (Slikstik owner), who informed her that he had no idea I had been trying to contact him, etc., etc. I then forwarded her every single e-mail I had from Slikstik that directly refuted his statements to her (in other words, he directly lied to her). She confronted him with this, and since she has not had a phone call returned from Slikstik. Furthermore, Slikstik had its New Jersey business license (license #0600171819) revoked on January 16, 2007, for failing to file their annual report for several years in a row. Since then, no attempt has been made to re-establish their license.
This is terribly unfortunate. Christian Stango told me on the phone back in July that he was good for his word, and that no matter what happened, he would make good on every single order with Slikstik (this was back when I thought they had gone out of business). He said this exact same thing to the Nutley representative (before he stopped returning her phone calls). I can only assume that this, too, was a lie.
Again--it is my hope this will keep someone else from falling into the same trap I did. I highly recommend that if you have been slighted or had trouble with Slikstik in the past that you call AnnMarie Nicolette with the Nutley, New Jersey Division of Consumer Protection and voice your complaint. Her number is 973-284-4900 x2421. I also highly recommend that if you plan to order from Slikstik that you think the matter through carefully. I would recommend researching Slikstik on the Better Business Bureau website (where they have not responded to any complaints leveled against them and have an unsatisfactory rating), or Check with the Nutley, New Jersey Division of Consumer Protection and see what they have to say.
Follow up
Let me state again that anyone who has been slighted really should call the Nutley Division of Consumer Affairs. I have no idea what posts you're talking about (I've been off the boards for a while), but if she gets several complaints she intends to get the New Jersey Attorney General involved in this. If anyone wants more info, please have them PM me.
Just thought this might be of help.....
Obviously to PM him you would have to register....
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Heads up for a post on the Hardware forum over at MW.....
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=134292&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1
For those that are not registered....
Okay guys--I guess I've lost $2500. I hope I can just save someone else from making the same mistake.
I have not gotten a phone call from Slikstik since the last one I discussed in the forums above (back in July), despite leaving numerous messages requesting for them to call me back. I have also e-mailed numerous times, and have no received a response since they last updated me (which required me to have a friend who lives in New Jersey to drive by their shop). Supposedly, this whole delay has been due to a backordered trackball, yet on this last update the trackballs had finally arrived, and now it is supposedly the overlay. I have no idea why--after months of waiting for a trackball--they didn't use some of my $2500 to go ahead and have everything else ready (as they promised in several e-mails. One stated specifically that my order would ship the day after they received the trackballs).
I have filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau, and they have not heard back from Slikstik. I have filed a complaint with the Nutley, New Jersey Division of Consumer Protection. The head of the department, AnnMarie Nicolette, got a prompt callback from Christian Stango (Slikstik owner), who informed her that he had no idea I had been trying to contact him, etc., etc. I then forwarded her every single e-mail I had from Slikstik that directly refuted his statements to her (in other words, he directly lied to her). She confronted him with this, and since she has not had a phone call returned from Slikstik. Furthermore, Slikstik had its New Jersey business license (license #0600171819) revoked on January 16, 2007, for failing to file their annual report for several years in a row. Since then, no attempt has been made to re-establish their license.
This is terribly unfortunate. Christian Stango told me on the phone back in July that he was good for his word, and that no matter what happened, he would make good on every single order with Slikstik (this was back when I thought they had gone out of business). He said this exact same thing to the Nutley representative (before he stopped returning her phone calls). I can only assume that this, too, was a lie.
Again--it is my hope this will keep someone else from falling into the same trap I did. I highly recommend that if you have been slighted or had trouble with Slikstik in the past that you call AnnMarie Nicolette with the Nutley, New Jersey Division of Consumer Protection and voice your complaint. Her number is 973-284-4900 x2421. I also highly recommend that if you plan to order from Slikstik that you think the matter through carefully. I would recommend researching Slikstik on the Better Business Bureau website (where they have not responded to any complaints leveled against them and have an unsatisfactory rating), or Check with the Nutley, New Jersey Division of Consumer Protection and see what they have to say.
Follow up
Let me state again that anyone who has been slighted really should call the Nutley Division of Consumer Affairs. I have no idea what posts you're talking about (I've been off the boards for a while), but if she gets several complaints she intends to get the New Jersey Attorney General involved in this. If anyone wants more info, please have them PM me.
Just thought this might be of help.....
Obviously to PM him you would have to register....
So they've been operating without a business license for a year now huh? I think a call to the IRS may be in order here.
Aren't tax evasion and fraud both Federal offenses? ;)
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Oh, Happy Days! :applaud: When Orc turned me onto this board and thread I was furious and elated at the same time, and it's been the longest hours of my life waiting to be registered so I could post here. Anyway, it is my post that he linked to above at MameWorld.
All I can say is "wow". For the longest time I thought I alone was being reamed by Christian. I hate to see that so many people have been done so wrong, but it's nice to know that I wasn't singled out. I honestly think that a concerted effort would be exceptionally productive... taking a single case through small claims typically has little bite to it. I'm not an attorney (do we have any on here looking at all of this mess?), but I'm already discussing various actions that can be taken with mine. He's one that suggested going to the Attorney General, and a good vehicle to use is the Nutley Division of Consumer Protection (Nutley, New Jersey is where Slikstik is located). I had contacted them primarily to see if someone there in Nutley could confirm if Slikstik is even in business. Anyway, the head of the division is a lady named AnnMarie Nicolette, and here's her contact info:
Township of Nutley
Consumer Protection
AnnMarie Nicolette
973-284-4900x2421
anicolette@nutleynj.org
She has gotten involved, and even spoke to Christian (who passed along the same garbage to her as he did to me). I forwarded her the e-mails that directly conflicted with what Crhistian told her, and since then he won't return her calls, etc. However, she's now gotten Nutley Building and Zoning involved since he has (seemingly) been running a business illegally out of a residence. At least it's something, and with more input she can do a lot more (see below).
I also posted my results of searching for their business license, and found it revoked (I have a printed copy of the status if anyone needs it). I also have copies of the information I provieded to the BBB and the State of New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs. Again: I really think we ought to work to make a concerted effort out of this thing. Someone even mentioned potential criminal offenses here. Surely there's got to be a case for fraud and/or illegally operating a business (without a license). Again--any attorneys on here?
:soapbox:Okay... as a business owner, myself, it really irks me to see the was we've been treated. Oh man... I was about ready to driver up to Jersey when I saw some of the posts on here... people who ordered after me and were being told a delivery time of two weeks. I mean--geez--that's when he was harping about the friggin' trackballs and the horrible delays. Christian was absolutely and unequivocally lying to each and every one of us, and that is absolutely unforgivable. What's worse is he strung me along past the point of being able to appeal my charge with VISA. And this isn't even taking into account the horrible customer service. Man--he was "Johnny on the Spot" when I was ordering, and he even gave me his cell number (sorry guys--the number is no longer in service). Anyway, I have made mistakes in business just like everyone else. We all make mistakes. But I own up to them, as I feel most responsible people would do. And I would never lie to masses and masses of people, taking their money knowing my ship was going down. Nope--this is just criminal. One thing is for damn sure. It might cost me more than the $1000 controller I'm losing, but I'm taking a bite out of his posterior before this is over with.
Now--back off of the soapbox. I'd like to hear what everyone thinks. I simply cannot stress enough that is you have been slighted by SlikStik to call the contact I have listed above. She told me that if she has more complaints she will take it to the County Attorney who will then take it straight to the Attorney General's Office. This is a way for everyone to get involved without having to invest money in an attorney just to end up with a lien on a company that's going bankrupt. I don't hold out hope for a refund nor for my controller to show up one day, but if not, I at least want to see this situation investigated, and if anything criminal is found (which I feel is likely since he obviously lied to people about the situation... we are all witnesses to this) for someone to be held responsible.
Please feel free to contact me personally with any comments and/or questions. Thansk for letting me vent!
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Here's another odd thing to note.... The business analysis site lists their gross turnover as $280,000..... They on the other hand are asking for $2 Mil and on the same page stating their gross turnover is in excess of $1 Mil... Wonder who's telling the truth here.
$1 Mil in orders received and $280,000 in orders delivered. It all adds up ...
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All,
After briefly discussing with Scott from Mameroom, I decided to give up the ghost and try for a refund from my CC company. Going into the call I was prepared to do some heavy lifting but I found that the company was very sympathetic to my issue. Even though the purchase was older than 90-days they agreed to give me a conditional refund and have be provide a statement regarding the lack of response from SlikStik. Since I have been documenting this the entire way, this should be easy. Once I get my refund I plan to order the same unit from Scott. I can start to see the light at the end of the tunnel...
Thanks all for your advise and assistance.
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Congrats and good luck to you. My bank was sympathetic but had little room to wiggle on their 60-day policy. I'm in it for the long haul.
Speaking of criminal acts, I thought it might be interesting to post this. Here are some examples of criminal fraud that were listed along with the definition. Do any of these sound familiar????
Fraud, in addition to being a criminal act, is also a type of civil law violation known as a tort. A tort is a civil wrong for which the law provides a remedy. A civil fraud typically involves the act of intentionally making a false representation of a material fact, with the intent to deceive, which is reasonably relied upon by another person to that person's detriment. A "false representation" can take many forms, such as:
A false statement of fact, known to be false at the time it was made;
A statement of fact with no reasonable basis to make that statement;
A promise of future performance made with an intent, at the time the promise was made, not to perform as promised;
A statement of opinion based on a false statement of fact;
A statement of opinion that the maker knows to be false; or
An expression of opinion that is false, made by one claiming or implying to have special knowledge of the subject matter of the opinion. "Special knowledge" in this case means knowledge or information superior to that possessed by the other party, and to which the other party did not have equal access.
I want to call the author and see if they'll just shorten the definition to "www.slikstik.com".
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You guys needs to create a tally of the total $ amounts that have been lost. I'm not an attorney, but my wife is - I believe when it exceeds a specific amount, the attorney general is REQUIRED to step in - can't remember if this is Federal or not, but I do remember that the amount of money received by the defendant IN TOTAL becomes the driving force - so even if you spent just $50 or $100, add it in there and present that value to this new contact. It's that TOTAL amount that you guys need to get finalized and present. Good luck.
Jim
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I just called Ms. Nicollette, identifying myself as a Slik Stik Stuckee.
I got the impression that my call was the beginning of an effort
that she will be bringing to the attention of the Attorney General.
In order for this to succeed, however, she will REALLY need to get
inputs from everyone of us. Rather than call her however, I think
she'd prefer receiving e-mails. This will provide her with a stack
of papers that can be brought in and laid in front of the AG.
To help educate her, I also supplied her a link to this forum, and
encouraged her to get an account and post. There are many people
here that would probably benefit from this. Heck, if we do this right,
it might serve as a good example of how this type of action can be
done.
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I just emailed Ms. Nicollette all my information and email correspondence with SlikStik. We'll see what happens.
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Just cut n paste this entire thread to an email...that should be enough.
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Just cut n paste this entire thread to an email...that should be enough.
Actually, probably not (although it is tempting).
I think it likely that Ms Nicollette will need real names and physical
addresses and possibly phone numbers, in addition to details about
our personal woes. Web clippings from names like Gazpacho, FrisselFried,
Damoclese, and Gatekwriter may not get much respect from the
AG's office. 8)
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Just cut n paste this entire thread to an email...that should be enough.
Actually, probably not (although it is tempting).
I think it likely that Ms Nicollette will need real names and physical
addresses and possibly phone numbers, in addition to details about
our personal woes. Web clippings from names like Gazpacho, FrisselFried,
Damoclese, and Gatekwriter may not get much respect from the
AG's office. 8)
Actually, it'd get a lot of respect as supporting evidence..... It might be just as well to send her a link to this thread. Then she can deside for herself if it is of use to her.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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Meh, I ordered a spiner back on November 6th. Had no idea Slikstik was having some problems. Its been a month and a half, no word, no product. I emailed them lastnight after reading this thread.
No response this morning. $138.00 down the drain? Looks like it. My question is this, why did the mods of this forum delete the last thread? Cause if it were up, I would have seen it and gone elsewhere. I dont understand why it would be deleted if it was a thread that is/was true and something that would benifit the community and help protect the members.
But, I will hold out and hope someone emails me back eventually. But unlike most people, I wouldnt hesitate to drive to their office and cause a scene for my money. What will they do, call the cops, arrest me and take away my arcades? Whoopie, I'll just build more. Its the principle of it all.
ROFL, I even paid for express shipping, 3 day. Maybe it was 3 month shipping and I read it wrong.
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Guys-that's great!!! I'm thrilled to hear that people are contacting AnnMarie.
I've been in contact with AnnMarie for a month or so now, and I have provided links to her at both Mameworld and here. I think these forums, along with Christian turning tail after she caught him lying to her, has inspired her to want to take action.
Gazpocho is correct--she'll need real names and addys to file the petition with the AG. I'm also 100% in agreement that, if we all pool our efforts, we can get some justice out of this one way or another. As I stated before, I'm not holding my breath any longer about receiving my money or my panel. However, if I don't, I sure as shootin' want to see someone held liable for the damages done to me and everyone else who has been "robbed". Without a doubt, we have an irrefutable case here.
I've posted here and at Mameworld... I'd also recommend passing Ms. Nicolette's information to every single arcade board that you guys are involved in. Get the word out. Tell as many people as you can. Put it in your blog... run an ad in your newspaper... you get the point :-)
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I think the mods at Mameworld did the same thing. After I posted there, I got several responses about how well-known Slikstik was for terrible customer service, that they'd seen posts like mine all of the time, etc., and I was shocked. I had actually searched for posts about Slikstik there prior to my purchase and came up with nothing. At the same time, some posts like these can get pretty flaming, so they probably removed them after regular posting stopped. I definitely give kudos to Mameworld now, though... they decided to remove all advertising graphics for Slikstik from their site. Besides, who in the world would now want to be associated with Slikstik?
With that said, I hope the moderators of all sites will leave these posts and archive them along with every other thread started. This is information that is pertinent, and if I had seen a thread like this my $2500 would absolutely have gone to another arcade manufacturer who deserves to make a profit. Oh--and I would now be "playing arcade games the way they are meant to be played". hehehehehehehe
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No response this morning. $138.00 down the drain? Looks like it. My question is this, why did the mods of this forum delete the last thread? Cause if it were up, I would have seen it and gone elsewhere. I dont understand why it would be deleted if it was a thread that is/was true and something that would benifit the community and help protect the members.
I don't recall deleting any threads on this but that's not to say I didn't, just that I don't recall doing so. I *have* deleted individual posts from this thread, but only for rules violations or for things I thought were inappropriate in this situation, such as jokes of physical confrontations. Anything pertaining to transactions with SlikStik I haven't touched. I hate to see things go bad with any vendor, but when it comes to transactions between individuals or vendors BYOAC and I strive to remain completely neutral.
--- saint
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SlikStik threads found by searching for "SlikStik"and "service" (good and bad comments found):
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=71009.0
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=68103.0
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66755.0
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=63782.0
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=61282.0
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=61025.0
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=50865.0
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=48670.0
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=40807.0
... etc. More bad than good comments but not all bad comments. Either way, my response isn't about taking one side or another regarding what's happening with SlikStik, but rather any hint that BYOAC might be censoring negative threads. We're not. :)
--- saint
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I don't recall deleting any threads on this but that's not to say I didn't, just that I don't recall doing so.
IIRC, there was a much shorter thread in which a reportedly long-time SS customer squared off with some other folks (and I have to call mea culpa here, because I think I was one of the 'other folks') and vehemently defended SS. Things got heated and the majority of that thread ended up as a train-wreck.
I think that is the thread that Frizzle was referring to in his initial post in this thread and perhaps is the post that Spaced Ace was referring to.
I'll take this opportunity to renew my call for people to post about their experiences in the review section of the wiki:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg746861#msg746861
And you still shouldn't lump me in with the troublemakers ... although I don't recall ever saying that ...
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I think the mods at Mameworld did the same thing.
No posts were deleted by me....
I take saints position on the situation...Neutral when it comes to vendors...
Posts do get wiped automatically after a period of time....To stop the boards asploding.....
But I think what people meant is they had seen posts about Slikstiks customer service on other boards like this....
It sometimes pays to Lurk......
;)
Anyway I hope people do get in touch and the petition gets filed
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Yup--I definitely need to stress the "I think" portion of what I said. The only place I looked (or thought to look) was Mameworld.
You guys do a fantastic job with these forums, and I can't imagine the amount of time it takes to scan through every post. I'm glad to see that you always have an will continue to leave these posts up and available for all to see.
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Heh. If I actually read near half of the posts I'd be amazed. We don't purge old posts here at all, though that may change if the database ever explodes. So far SirWoogie says we're in good shape.
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I've tried calling Christian's partner, Jerome Mascari, and to my surprise--no response. I also tried to write him on his eBay account... any guesses on whether-or-not I got a reply?
I'll tell you... I wouldn't have been happy about waiting this long for my controller, but if someone had just been honest with me about the situation I would have been fine. And geez... even if they didn't call or write me, AT LEAST respond when I write or call you! To heck with customer service... this is a crappy way to treat someone even if they hadn't sent you thousands of dollars waiting for something in return.
Anyway, just a reminder to contact the Nutley Division of Consumer Affairs. I plan to call Ann Marie later today to check up on things. PM me if you have any questions, comments, etc.
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I did not recieve any confirmation from the e-mail I sent Ms. Nicollette last week. Has anyone else that e-mailed her heard anything? If she isn't replying to anyone then that is fine, but I just wanted to make sure I didn't get caught up in their spam filter.
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I just spoke with Ann Marie, and she has been absolutely slammed with e-mails. This is probably why she has not had a chance to reply to everyone. PLEASE keep them coming. She is compiling all of the information, and she will contact the Attorney General's Office on behalf of everyone. She has been attempting to contact Slikstik, and they have even been ignoring her. As things move forward, I'll see if she can create a mailing list to keep everyone informed of the progress of the suit, and I'm sure the Attorney General's Office will do the same with the contact list that Ann Marie provides to them.
Based on our discussion this morning, she feels that this is likely going to become a significant criminal case! :applaud:
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I hope Ann Marie has better luck with the Attorney General in New Jersey than what I did. I filed with them over a month ago and have not heard a thing. I did get a response from the AG in my state with whom I also filed, but they just said that they have someone assigned to it and it will get back to me when they get a response from SlikStik. I laughed when I read that and wished them luck. ;D
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LOL! I know the feeling! As for the AG, they have lots of cases that come in the door. There are so many frivolous suits out there it's difficult for them to sort them out. This is why we need to go about it as a group effort. First, if numerous people are involved, it's likely not just some personal vendetta from an unjustly irate individual (they don't want to get involved in a "he said" "she said" situation). Secondly, the more evidence the case has, the more likely they are to pursue it since it will have a high likelihood of success. Thirdly, this request is going to come from a Township inside of the state of New Jersey--not some individual from xyz town in xyz state. As soon as it gets into the AG's hands we'll need to begin calling. I have a few friends that owe me some favors, and I'm also going to ask them to make a few personal calls on our behalf to the New Jersey AG's office.
At the same time, I'm also filing a civil suit against them for my money, which will eventually place a judgement and lien against them.
I'm still in a tizzy abut this whole thing. On one hand, I wonder how people can be so crooked and criminal. On the other hand, I wonder if they're as "unintelligent" as this makes them out to be. If you want to defraud someone, don't do it to a tightly-knit group of people who are in constant communication via a common and centralized system. It's like calling the police, waiting for them to arrive and handing them a video camera to boot before you break into a house. I swear--this might just wind up on "America's Dumbest Criminals".
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I'm no legal expert, but isn't mameroom.com going to be the unfortunate recipient of these complaints/lawsuits now since they purchased the company? It's not like anyone can personally go after the people responsible for running Slikstick right? I sure hope that isn't the case as mameroom has always had a good reputation.
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I'm no legal expert, but isn't mameroom.com going to be the unfortunate recipient of these complaints/lawsuits now since they purchased the company? It's not like anyone can personally go after the people responsible for running Slikstick right? I sure hope that isn't the case as mameroom has always had a good reputation.
I don't know if mameroom.com bought them out or just their technology. There would be a big difference.
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Yah...I doubt they bought their debt...
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Yes--I spoke with Mameroom last week, and they are not purchasing Slikstik due to the looming lawsuits. I was glad to hear they have steered clear of this unfortunate incident.
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Yes--I spoke with Mameroom last week, and they are not purchasing Slikstik due to the looming lawsuits. I was glad to hear they have steered clear of this unfortunate incident.
What is there to buy anyways?? They haven't had a business license in almost a year! I doubt mameroom knew about that until recently. Sounds like they were trying to screw him too.
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Well this sucks... I was eventually going to order a couple of the alluminum pear top joystick shafts (http://www.slikstik.com/webstore/webstore.asp?productid=SS%20METAL%20PEAR&category=92) (specifically the black)..
Does anyone know if they made these in-house?
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Well, after reading the front page at CNN, I think I figured out why SlikStik no longer cares about getting the Courts after them: New Jersy just abolished the death penalty!! I'll bet those rascals at SlikStik knew that this change in legislation was coming so they said the heck with it, since they can't kill us for what we're doing, lets take our lumps! ;D
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Uze guyz n33dz 2 ch!llz, d00dz !
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EDIT: ITZ a!! LI3Z!
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Uze guyz n33dz 2 ch!llz, d00dz !
:dunno
EDIT: ITZ a!! LI3Z!
I may have to change my opinion,
Last I spoke with Christain was 11/15 (same day "mikeyman" spoke with him) in which he said my panel would ship 11/16 (same day mikeyman went to pick his up), which it did not ship,
Then again on 11/30, which he said it would go out. Again it didn't go out, and I've had no word since.
I really trusted him, and looks like I may have got burned again in the process :badmood:
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Good luck guys - I filed a complaint once with the NY AG - it went back and forth, and then squat! I basically ended up wasting my time. I hope you get something back at least. However, Christian and and friends were pretty smart, you were dealing with "SlikStik™ LLC" - a limited liability corporation: you won't be able to go after personal assets, most likely. However, hopefully the "limited" means you get some piece back. I think the thing that really stinks is that you saw them taking orders up until recently, even though it looks like they had no intention of filling them, they still have the website up like nothing, plus also just recently had fleabay auctions going for that crappy spinner they sell...
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M37R01D, be sure to contact the Nutley Division of Consumer Protection (PM me if you need their contact info, or just Google Nutley, New Jersey and you can find them on The Town of Nutley's website). File a complaint with them, and be sure to give them all of your contact information.
REMEMBER EVERYONE: We can always withdraw our case when Slikstik gives us full refunds and/or ships our gear!! :laugh2:
Seriously, though--do get involved.
As for the AG situation, who knows what will happen? One thing is for sure, however... nothing will happen if we don't get involved. The best thing about this is we have tremendous momentum, and unbelievable amount of certifiable evidence, a boatload of witnesses and plaintiffs, and our own personal involvement and commitment will be minimal. We've got someone who is the head of an agency that deals with these situations willing to take statements from us and do the legwork... we'd be crazy not to do it.
As for their business being an LLC, most businesses have to legally adopt a corporation type for liability and tax purposes be it an LLC, sole proprietorship, S-Corp, C-Corp, PA, LLC Sub-S, etc., etc. And yes--they do offer some form of private holdings. However, it's not that cut-and-dried. In any case, Slikstik became Slackstik and let their license expire. They're conducting business without a license, and have been all year. Anyway, I have a hard time believing any of those guys have much in the way of personal holdings.
In the end, as I've stated before, if I can get my product or a refund, the next best thing is to see these guys get hit with a criminal suit. If they can buy their way out, let them work it off in the state correctional system.
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Yea I hear ya,
I'm just kinda lost, I mean really I want my panel, and not a refund, especially after having MameMarquees print and ship them an overlay cuz they didnt have it.
But I'm kinda at the point where it may be a lost cause. At least when Christian responded I did have hope, as he seemed really solid on his word.
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Believe me--I understand. I purchased the lightning overlay for my panel, along with illuminated trackball and joysticks. I had Mame Marquees make a lightning marquee for me, and also paid a guy to create lightning graphics for my front-end. I even bought all blue lighting as well as blue illuminated speakers for my system, and it's now sitting there 100% useless.
I ordered my panel back in June, and after a month (when I was told my panel was special-order and would take extra time--3 full weeks), none of my e-mails were being responded to, and my phone calls kept getting a "this number is no longer in service message". I was worried--very worried. Finally, I got in touch with Christian and we had a wonderful one hour conversation, and man.... he had almost had me crying when he expertly explained how Happ Controls had screwed him and turned his place into a PR nightmare. We were like big buds when we got off the phone, and he told me that the trackballs should be in by the end of July, and my panel would be shipped the day after the trackball arrived. Thus, I assumed everything else was ordered and ready to go. Well, fast-forward four months to November, and I finally had a friend in Jersey drop by. Now all of a sudden the trackballs were in--and HAD been in--but the overlay manufacturer was giving them problems. Woe-is-them. You know what? This is 100% believable. Why? I'll tell you... if I was Mame Marquees or ANY other company dealing with oh SlikStik, I'd be expecting cash for everything.
Oh--one funny side note this brings to mind. I should have seen this coming for a mile--stupid me. I received an e-mail from "Paul" with SlikStik (I still think "Paul" is a made-up character), and he told me in an e-mail that a huge shipment of trackballs had arrived, but no one was there to sign and pay for the COD. *C* *O* *D*????? I thought COD's disappeared with the dinosaurs. Yup--that just screams, "Hey you bonehead! Can you say mucho credit problems?"
Anyway, I've seen businesses struggle, and I've seen it break apart people's lives. I've seen people exhaust every ounce of time and energy they have to try to salvage a business and do right by others. In such cases, I have nothing but the greatest empathy and respect for the owners. I just can't feel the same way i this case. Look at this... you know he sees these forums. You know he's lurking. Does he even try to do anything to make it right? Does he try to contact each and every person that he has taken hundreds or thousands of dollars from to negotiate terms? No. He won't even return a phone call or e-mail. Neither does his partner. Oh well. They've made their bed....
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I fully feel the same way
I have blue illuminated speakers, blue leds all over jus waiting for the panel, which has the blue/black overlay, illuminated joysticks and trackball, pretty much all the bells and whistles they offered.
I as well had about 4 calls each 30 mins to over an hour with him as he explained everything, and I totally felt for him.
He also wanted an XCM clear case with LEDs in it for his wii, that I had ordered the case, and he was going to mail down his wii for the install with a bunch of LEDs. I'm not worried about the case, as some1 else will pick it up if anything.
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plus also just recently had fleabay auctions going for that crappy spinner they sell...
Hey, the Tornado is a pretty good spinner and at one time was the best you could buy. Plus, now it's "collectable" ;D
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I have my own s-corporation and while this does protect my personal assets, as an officer of the company I could be prosecuted for fraud and any other illegal activities if my company behaved this way. The LLC isn't as protective as it sounds, especially if its true their business license expired. You guys need to email this woman who is collecting information and stay on her. I suspect that the total amounts here have pushed this into the higher levels of prosecutable fraud.
Best case - you'll get some or all of your money back if the AG offers that as an option in lieu of prison time. Worst case - you make these guys' lives miserable for a while and totally ruin their credit rating as this will definitely make it onto their credit reports.
The best thing they could do right now is issue full refunds to all parties before this blows up in their faces - which it sounds like is very close to happening.
Jim
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And I need to clarify... their business license didn't simply expire--it was revoked by the state due to non-compliance on Slikstik's part. Essentially, they didn't file annual reports for two years in a row, so the state pulled their license.
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Do they realize that a criminal case is being built against them? I would hope they would take something like this seriously. This is far beyond "screwing over the internet nerd" at this point. And the silliest thing is, it could all go away if they would just send out the stock THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE SITTING THERE!! :dizzy:
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Do they realize that a criminal case is being built against them? I would hope they would take something like this seriously. This is far beyond "screwing over the internet nerd" at this point. And the silliest thing is, it could all go away if they would just send out the stock THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE SITTING THERE!! :dizzy:
Thats what I'm tryin to figure out, according to SS, my panel was "DONE" and was jus awaiting shipping.
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They might have just been lying about that too
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They might have just been lying about that too
You think??? >:D
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Tell me about it... I have an e-mail from "Paul" on September 12, 2007:
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Happ has confirmed that it is now the rollers in the trackball that are causing the delay. It was formerly caused by the chip, however as of the last few weeks, the rollers were mismanufactured and they've been waiting for the replacements for some time now.
This is extremely unfortunate, I wish we could just get your unit out of here. As soon as we receive them, it's leaving right out of here.
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And nearly 3 months later they write saying the trackballs are in, but now they're having trouble getting the overlay. There's something fishy here that I just can't put my finger on.... :dunno hehehehehehe
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I just received a copy of a letter the Office of the Attorney General of Kansas sent to SlikStik stating that they had "ample time" to reply to the previous letter they sent, and that "If we are not in receipt of your written response within five (5) days of the date of this letter, we may issue a subpoena requiring your appearance or resort to other legal process available to the office of the Kansas Attorney General."
Soooo.... we'll see what happens when they don't respond, 'cause ya know they won't.
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I'm amazed that anyone could be so lazy to stay on the phone with customers for hours at a time, rather than get these things shipped out. I hate going to the post office as well, but better that than, say, JAIL.
The self-entitlement on their part is absolutely stunning.
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Well this sucks... I was eventually going to order a couple of the alluminum pear top joystick shafts (http://www.slikstik.com/webstore/webstore.asp?productid=SS%20METAL%20PEAR&category=92) (specifically the black)..
Does anyone know if they made these in-house?
Anyone? I figure if they were exclusive SlikStik material, they would go over to mameroom, no?
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Finally got an email from "SlikStik Staff". Its not good. Apparently they have an attourney who has advised them not to make any statements to their customers or on their website about all this.
They are no longer taking custom orders but are taking orders for their regular stock still.
"There are many pressing legal issues at the moment that would prevent
us making a formal reply to the current situation."
So I wouldnt count on them being around too much longer.
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I finally have some good news to report!
I did get a credit back from my bank for the slikstik order ($800).
But the bad news is:
I placed an order with Jack from arcadesrfun on 19 Nov, but because he is getting swamped with orders from slikstik going out of business, I doubt I'll get my panel by Christmas.
So....... Slikstik is still kind of giving it to me in a way... :angry:
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Finally got an email from "SlikStik Staff". Its not good. Apparently they have an attourney who has advised them not to make any statements to their customers or on their website about all this.
They are no longer taking custom orders but are taking orders for their regular stock still.
"There are many pressing legal issues at the moment that would prevent
us making a formal reply to the current situation."
So I wouldnt count on them being around too much longer.
Ouch, I guess they were also advised not to send out any panels, even if they were complete :blowup:
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This is why I Build My Own Arcade Controls.
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This is why I Build My Own Arcade Controls.
Yep! :cheers:
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Finally got an email from "SlikStik Staff". Its not good. Apparently they have an attourney who has advised them not to make any statements to their customers or on their website about all this.
They are no longer taking custom orders but are taking orders for their regular stock still.
"There are many pressing legal issues at the moment that would prevent
us making a formal reply to the current situation."
So I wouldnt count on them being around too much longer.
Why would they even pay a lawyer? All they gotta do is make good and this will all go away...unless the Fed was already on them before the AG stuff started.
I wonder if Christian and Jerome have wives and families? I feel sorry for them that their husbands are total ---meecrobs---.
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My guess is they are pretty crappy businessmen. I see it all the time. They have a product that becomes popular, and the orders rush in. They incorrectly estimate their profits on these units, and begin to spend this money on personal items, and even things for the "business". Next thing you know, they have about $50,000 in materials to buy to fill the orders, and they have $12,000 in the bank. They keep taking orders hoping to overcome this shortfall, but the slow "getting it out the door" ends up killing their business, and they're stuck in the hole with lots of orders but no money to buy products to ship them. Maybe they had good intentions (I'm seriously beginning to doubt this due to their obvious lack of concern/contacting clients), but in the end they defrauded people to get money for orders they cannot/won't fill.
I feel sorry for them to a point, but my mercy only goes so far. Heck--if he had called me and spilled the beans on their situation and been *honest* with me, I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be going to the extremes I am now. There was a point where I could have bailed, but he lied to me and kept me in the game knowing full well he was going to pocket my $2500. Nope... no tears being shed on my side.
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Damoclese--
That sounds like good news. I'll also pass this along to Ann Marie so she can be sure to inform the AG that it's dealing with the same Company we're all complaining about.
Actually, if possible, can you send her your information? Include the steps you've taken thus far, any case numbers, etc. It'll help to have everything she can to include in the submittal. PM me if you need her contact info, or look back a few posts (Post #261).
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The good thing is, since you ordered it from Jack, you know you'll get it, and he's good on communication too :).
I finally have some good news to report!
I did get a credit back from my bank for the slikstik order ($800).
But the bad news is:
I placed an order with Jack from arcadesrfun on 19 Nov, but because he is getting swamped with orders from slikstik going out of business, I doubt I'll get my panel by Christmas.
So....... Slikstik is still kind of giving it to me in a way... :angry:
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Out of curiosity, has anyone posted this information on any other forums? I've posted this information (and Ms. Nicolettes contact info) on Mameworld.net. Please feel free to post her info anywhere you feel it might be useful.
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I'd have to say that SlikStik lawyering-up is not good for us, at all. I'm not an attorney, but I'll bet their attorney said not to ship out anything pending a declaration of bankruptcy.
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From what I gather, Christian has been trading illegally under a non-registered (ie, expired and non-active) company name for the past year.
Yet he's still "selling" products off his site, today, as we speak.
(Note, I use the term "sell" loosely, it would be more apt to say he's still "taking people's money" under false pretences, for alleged products.)
If they're getting legal advice, then how come they're still continuing this practice ??
Surely an ethical lawyer would advise to IMMEDIATELY cease this illegal trading ??
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I would have to say that it depends on your definition of "bad". Personally, I don't think them hiring a lawyer makes a difference whatsoever. I think we're never going to see our items nor our money refunded to us by Slikstik voluntarily, and since people have filed suit against them they've had no choice but to retain the services of an attorney (if they have any sense at all). If anything, their hiring an attorney shows that the heat is on, and they're feeling it. An attorney can help mitigate some of the things being thrown at them, but they can't use a magic eraser to make stuff go away. If (Ha!) they've broken a law, they're still culpable. If they file bankruptcy, it will destroy their credit for 10 years and they'll still have to liquidate assets to some degree to pay a portion of what they owe (unfortunately, lawyer's fees typically come first!). Anyway, their hiring a lawyer was inevitable.
This just strengthens my whole resolve about following through with the Attorney General. We're likely to never get full satisfaction on our orders, which is all the more reason to press a criminal case as much as possible. I don't know what the ramifications would be, but if everyone who has been slighted will ante up the information, we might be talking hundreds of thousands of dollars here, which would undoubtedly be a felony. Having a felonious criminal record can be extremely impactful, limiting the type of jobs you can get all the way to not being able to vote.
Yup, without a doubt, the fact that they've retained a lawyer isn't a bad thing at all IMHO. Oh--as for their continuing to seel their products--who knows. Perhaps they haven't disclosed that little detail to their attorney, or at least the little detail that they're 1) Not practicing with a license, and 2) They're operating illegally from a residence (Nutley Town Ordinance).
Oh! If their attorney reads this: GET YOUR MONEY UP-FRONT or :banghead:
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Oh! If their attorney reads this: GET YOUR MONEY UP-FRONT or :banghead:
:laugh2:
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Any attorney worth his or her weight will find this forum and read and print copies of everything here. Attorney's represent their clients, but they still require all the information up front so they can make suitable suggestions to their clients. A good attorney will look at this forum to discover what types of people might be involved in a lawsuit or may be called as witnesses in a criminal case. I agree with Jonathan - the fact that they've hired an attorney is actually quite good because a competent attorney will look at the facts and may tell these guys it's better to settle up than let it proceed in its obvious direction.
I also agree that most or all of you probably won't get your money back unless some sort of civil action is taken OR if a criminal case settlement requires some sort of financial restitutation. I've got a friend who went through bankruptcy a few years back and I wouldn't wish that on anyone - hopefully these knuckleheads will get smart and do the right thing or maybe their attorney will tell them...
Jim
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I apologize that I have not chimed in since my original post regarding the Mameroom/SlikStik negotiations. There were a lot of details that were being discussed between companies, and still are. It is true that Mameroom Designs will not be acquiring SlikStik to the extent originally planned but we have alternatively been working out the details to manufacture and sell SlikStik parts and control panels. With all of the details close to being ironed out I wanted to shed some light on the ongoing SlikStik issues, Christian's involvement with SlikStik and pending orders that have not been filled yet...
First, I think the people of this forum should know...at no point in time was Christian ever an owner or part owner of SlikStik LLC. While Christian has been the front man for SlikStik since they opened their doors and may have even made comment over the years about being more involved with the company, he was merely an employee of SlikStik and received a pay check just like other SlikStik employees. I know this because during our negotiations, Christian had no ownership to sell the SlikStik brand name, trademark and rights to us.
While Christian remained a part of the company for awhile during this situation, he is no longer associated with SlikStik. He himself is trying to acquire the SlikStik product line to start up his own arcade product company, since most of the SlikStik designs were his creations to begin with. I can now say that the reason that the majority of everyone's emails and phone calls to SlikStik have gone unanswered, is that Christian is either no longer receiving them, or is no longer in a position to do anything regarding SlikStik or their current customers/situation.
Regarding everyone's money currently tied up with SlikStik...While I do not know the fate of what remains of SlikStik LLC, I do know that Christian is no longer employed at the company. With Christian and the other employees either quitting or being laid off, Christian himself has expressed that anyone not in receipt of their order, do what they can to try and get a refund from their Credit Card companies.
Christian wanted me to relay to all of the customers contacting Mameroom, that he has full intentions of honoring every one of SlikStik customer's that are unable to get a refund. This basically means that any SlikStik customer that has been caught up in this issue and that has filed for a refund with their CC company, and are unable to get the refund due to an expiration of the time limit to do so, he will fulfill their order out of his pocket once his new business and shop are up and running (date for this is unknown at this time). keep in mind that SlikStik LLC has everyone's money, not Christian. Obviously, Chris does not want to have the negative image bestowed upon him, following him around when he starts his own company (with him as the official owner). There has been so much talk about Christian and people pursuing him directly...and unfortunately, I was not able to share information with this forum at the time... But if people want retribution or any kind of positive outcome for themselves, they should go after the source (where their money is) and that is the SlikStik LLC... not an ex-employee. I don’t think much will come of it going after Chris personally. I'm telling everyone this because I would just hate to see customers end up with nothing...and If Christian holds true to his offer to honor another companies obligations, I would also hate to see anything derail that or change his mind. After all, it was primarily this forum's response to the SlikStik issues that derailed Mameroom acquiring SlikStik..and fulfilling previous orders. Rightfully so, irate customers posted warnings and their experiences with SlikStik...which drove SlikStik sales down, which didn't make the company look so appealing from a business aspect...plus the talk of lawsuits and the Chamber of commerce. We no longer could stick to our original intent. I don't want to see that happen again.
While I am in no way, shape, or form condoning what has happened or what is going on...I would like to offer merely a suggestion that may benefit everyone...Try to get your money back and replace your order through Mameroom. If you are unable to get your money back...why not give Christian and his new company he will be starting up a chance to make good on what he said he would. If it doesn't pan out the way he said (within a reasonable time frame), then continue on with the same course of action, as the situation could not get worse by waiting another month or two...again, right now there is still hope for everyone to get what they paid for...I would hate to see this opportunity ruined.
So officially, Mameroom is not able to step up and take over for SlikStik or to acquire any part of the company due to the current circumstances. Instead, we are reselling control panel designs and parts originally manufactured for SlikStik. Mameroom Designs will gladly fill your orders if you choose to place them with us. Since we added these items to our product line only a couple weeks ago, Several customers have already received and are enjoying their new panels.
-Mameroom Designs
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As people have pointed out, Christian is a very smooth talker. I hope, Scott, you don't take everything Christian is selling you (about his honoring sales with his new company) at face value. He has intentionally misled a lot of people for a long time, as this thread has shown. Even as "just an employee" he should carry much of the bad press with him to his new startup.
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Even if Christian was only an employee of SlikStik, he should have had a spine and told customers the truth.
Please be sure to let us all know what his new company is so that we can warn others about him.
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Mameroom/Scott,
Do yourself a favor and just walk away. The only thing you will get out of this deal is the name Slikstik to put on your products. That, IMO, is not a good idea in this small knit hobby. They do not own patents on a spinner, a joystick, a control panel, or anything. They own the rights to their name(s), that is all.
At this point, you are not doing yourself or anyone favors by only doing business "with the bad guys". And no, you really shouldn't believe a damn word Christian says.
Allow me to interperet his comments:
.Try to get your money back and replace your order through Mameroom. If you are unable to get your money back...why not give Christian and his new company he will be starting up a chance to make good on what he said he would. If it doesn't pan out the way he said (within a reasonable time frame), then continue on with the same course of action, as the situation could not get worse by waiting another month or two...again, right now there is still hope for everyone to get what they paid for...I would hate to see this opportunity ruined.
Interpretation:
This is a lame ass attempt to derail the current legal investigation. I'm hoping you people are stupid enough to fall for it, that way we can string you along even longer. Obviously noone would actually buy from a company from me. None of the business partners in the field would cooperate with me for advertising and such after we at Slikstik screwed them all with non-payments. Of course I'm not actually starting a new company. So please, call off the hounds. I'll "take care" of all of you, for I am a nice and humble man who feels your pain.
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Christian. This guy is going to build and send me the control panel I ordered nearly 7 months ago? Excuse me.... :laugh2:
Yup--sorry Christian. You might have been an employee, and this might spare you of the financial situation of the company (and it might not), but you still knowingly participated in fraud, and I will gladly spend whatever it takes to show up in a courtroom in New Jersey and swear to the lies--absolute lies--YOU told me. C'mon... watch the news. You don't have to own the company to break a law associated with the business.
As for any action taken, it will be filed against Slikstik. The attorneys will hash out the liability. Boy... if Christian isn't the owner, he's in for a world of hurt. At no time has anyone pointed the finger at anyone else, and everyone's beef here is with Christian. If I was the owner of Slikstik (Jerome Mascari?) I'd be filing a suit against Christian. Heck, I'd be jumping out of the bushes kissing babies, contributing to world peace and giving away free joysticks all the while screaming, "I had no idea he was sticking it to me, too! :cry: Let's get him, guys!!" Christian will be in the middle of so many civil and potentially criminal suits he won't know which way to turn.
Interpretation:
This is a lame ass attempt to derail the current legal investigation. I'm hoping you people are stupid enough to fall for it, that way we can string you along even longer. Obviously noone would actually buy from a company from me. None of the business partners in the field would cooperate with me for advertising and such after we at Slikstik screwed them all with non-payments. Of course I'm not actually starting a new company. So please, call off the hounds. I'll "take care" of all of you, for I am a nice and humble man who feels your pain.
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Oh, and by the way. <knock, knock> Yeah you, Mr. Christian. I straight-up asked you on the phone if I should just get a refund, and you said in the most reassuring, "I love you, man!" voice that, "Man, any order anyone places with me will be made good if I have to do it out of my own pocket". Well, I trusted you and allowed you to string me along. As a result, I got word from my credit card company today that I've waited too long--there's nothing they can do.
Okay--put your money where your mouth is. First of all, PM me. We'll set up a time to talk, review my order, and one month from that date have my controller at my doorstep. If you do that, I'll shut up. No... I'll do better than that. I'll paste a positive comment on here about you. I'm serious.
Mameroom/Scott--
One thing I wanted to add. I have e-mailed you a few times and you've gotten right back to me. I appreciate your willingness to help, so I want to be straight-up with you. I seriously considered ordering from you since you have the quad panel. However, looking at your website and seeing the "color designer" and panels that were on the Slikstik site really, really makes me think twice about ordering from you. You're association with them seems to be entirely too close. If I were in your shoes I would be careful about being associated with them in any way. It could have a significant impact on your business.
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The images of the formal SlikStik panels did in fact come from the SlikStik website..as well as the color designers...which, we haven't had a chance to remove the name from. If people order "anything" from Mameroom, they can rest assured that customer satisfaction is guaranteed. If they are "leary" based on previous events with SlikStik...that is certainly understandable and unfortunately, there's not much we can do about that...except put our companies reputation behind everything that we sell.
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No offense to Scott or Mameroom, but the whole explanation doesn't wash with me.
If I am running my own company, I would set it up as a LLC with myself as CEO and head employee with a generous salary. That way the company doesn't show huge profits (could even show a loss for tax purposes) and all the money I take in is protected from legal settlements. It also frees me up to be "fired" from the LLC and use my earnings to start a new company.
I have no first-hand knowledge of what Christian is actually involved with, but if you follow some of the David.R.Foley threads, you see a pattern here.
(And I am only stating opinions, not factual statements, if this goes to legal proceedings.)
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Happy Holidays to everyone! I'm going to be somewhat on leave for the next week due to Holiday traveling. Just a few updates before I go.
I have spoken with Ann Marie a few times, and she is being utterly smothered in e-mails. She has asked that I pass along to everyone that you send *one* e-mail with your contact information (address, phone number), a copy of your order along with a short history of your complaint. Sometime after the new year a mailing list is going to be set up, and everyone will receive weekly or or monthly updates. Once this mailing list begins, I'll be sure the information is posted here. *IF* you don't get a copy of the mailing list, we'll check to make sure your complaint was filed and your contact info was entered correctly.
I appreciate the response and involvement everyone has shown, and I have faith that it will work itself out in the best possible way. Hopefully we'll all end up with something at the end of the day to put a smile on our face, whether it be a product, refund or the guilty punished for what has transpired. Additionally, if anyone truly is innocent that appears to be guilty, I hope it will exonerate them.
Despite this mess that we all seem to be in, take a few minutes to stop, look around and be thankful for the things that we do have. Spend some time with family and close friends, and absolutely, positively play a few classic arcade games!
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Hi Guys, Scott from MameMarquees.com
I wanted to let people know that Christian did recently settle up the bill with my company and he ordered several overlays last week which were shipped out. I really don't know much more then that, but it would seem things are going in the right direction.
Scott
Mamemarquees.com
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I got some news
Christian emailed me, saying he was taking over, and pullin things out his own pocket if he has to,
he told me he would pick my panel up 1-2 days after x-mas and have it right out
I will keep my fingers crossed, and keep you guys updated :)
1st good sign of life :cheers:
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Well, the last two posts, especially the one from Scott at Mamemarquee is giving me cautious optimism.
I know Christian/SlikStik is under a huge amount of heat, but my complaints that I have filed vanish the day my panel (or refund) arrives.
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We here at Arcade Reactor E-zine asked SlikStik for an official statement about an upcoming article dedicated to the company, we were simply told, "No comment at this time."
So, we decided to pull the article until the March issue. Actually, it was this forum, this very thread that prompted me to start Arcade Reactor E-zine. I wanted to let people know how big this is and what is going on. SlikStik's action can either hurt the arcade community or they can straighten up and continue to be a great contributer.
So, thanks to Slikstik, for getting this new project started. (indirectly)
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Let's see if I've got this right ...
- Slikstik fails to deliver big ticket items in a timely manner.
- People post about it and complain.
- Other people defend Slikstik.
- Still more people speak out against Slikstik.
- Christian says everything will be OK.
- People are somewhat mollified.
Any bets as to whether we get to do it all again in a few weeks ?
;)
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I apologize that I have not chimed in since my original post... <snip>
First, I received a postcard from "Essex Special Civil Part, Hall of Records - Essex County" concerning my lawsuit vs. SlikStik and it read:
"A summons was issued 12-20-07 and a non-jury trial has been scheduled for this case on 02-20-2008 at 9:00 AM. Bring all records & witnesses. Please report to: Judge Judge, Court Room: 301H."
I'm hoping that the judge's last name isn't "Judge", if for no other reason than the fact that he/she must have been teased incessantly in law school! (I'm guessing that a judge won't be assigned until much closer to the court date). Anyway, it looks like I'm taking a road trip to the Trenton, NJ area in mid-February. I'm going to drive out (8 hours, yikes!) during the day, but will spend the night so I can get some sleep after that long drive and be fresh to face the judge the next morning. Any members from the Trenton area than can recommend a good, yet cheap, hotel for just the one night? And where is the courthouse? I have TWO addresses! :-(
Concerning Scott's post, I would trust his products without a single thought, however Christian claims that he was only a SlikStik employee, but the way he apparently treated other members of this site indicates to me that his lack of customer service skills weren't in any way due to his association with his former employers and would most likely continue with any new venture he might attempt. I'd encourage everyone to buy from members such as Scott (MAMERoom), Randy (GroovyGameGear) and Andy (Ultimarc). I finally found the funds to build my own panel and have used parts from all three of the aforementioned individuals and am more than pleased with their professionalism.
On a brighter, happier note, my control panel is almost done! The cabinet itself is a MAMERoom Ultimate MK2 and the panel blank is one of Scott's 4-player designs. Most of the buttons, joysticks and spinner were purchased from GroovyGameGear.com and finally the interface (IPAC-4) and player 1 stick (UltraStik 360) are from Ultimarc. I was amazed to get a great price from a vendor on eBay for the Happ 3" Trackball w/USB interface to wrap things up and even bought a bunch of blank button fillers for the few button spots that were empty courtesy of LizardLickAmusements.com). I actually tried to 'borrow' some 18/2 wire from work, but ended up buying 3 spools of wire from Radio Shack as well as some more quick disconnects (eventually ran out of the ones I bought from Ultimarc), which I'm doing tomorrow (thank god for a 4-day weekend!). I'll post a FINAL image of the whole cabinet when it's complete before the end of the year.
Anyway, this forum has been a great resource for those of us who have suffered through this whole experience with SlikStik and I hope that we'll all be able to find some sort of satisfaction through the court system.
All the best,
Onyx
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I apologize that I have not chimed in since my original post... <snip>
First, I received a postcard from "Essex Special Civil Part, Hall of Records - Essex County" concerning my lawsuit vs. SlikStik and it read:
"A summons was issued 12-20-07 and a non-jury trial has been scheduled for this case on 02-20-2008 at 9:00 AM. Bring all records & witnesses. Please report to: Judge Judge, Court Room: 301H."
I'm hoping that the judge's last name isn't "Judge", if for no other reason than the fact that he/she must have been teased incessantly in law school! (I'm guessing that a judge won't be assigned until much closer to the court date). Anyway, it looks like I'm taking a road trip to the Trenton, NJ area in mid-February. I'm going to drive out (8 hours, yikes!) during the day, but will spend the night so I can get some sleep after that long drive and be fresh to face the judge the next morning. Any members from the Trenton area than can recommend a good, yet cheap, hotel for just the one night? And where is the courthouse? I have TWO addresses! :-(
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Odds are they won't show. What happens then, do you win by default? Do they have a set time to pay up before a legal issue? Just curious. Also, are you including your travel expenses in your lawsuit?
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Shardian,
If no one from SlikStik comes to the courthouse to dispute the claim, I would win by default. At that point, SlikStik will be advised, in writing, of the results of the trial. After that, they will have 30 days to dispute the result. After THAT they will receive a final notice at which point it's just my guess at to what will happen. According to New Jersey state law, they could suffer liens against property, etc., but what that REALLY means... who knows.
It goes without saying that I will do whatever it takes to get my money back, within rule of law. If they think that by ignoring this that I'll simply back down, they are sadly mistaken.
As far as your other question goes ("...are you including your travel expenses in your lawsuit?") the answer is no. I HAVE included my fees for filing the lawsuit in the final judgment, but from what I read, I don't think I'll be able to recoup travel expenses (gas, hotel, etc.). If anyone knows otherwise, please contact me.
Joe
(Onyx_PghPA)
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No offense to Scott or Mameroom, who have always shown themselves to be honest decent guys... BUT...
Man!! You are being taken in by more of Stango's ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---!!!
Of course he was only an employee of the company!!! Every Director, Partner, CEO, Chairman etc etc etc of an LLC (same as Ltd or PLC in the UK) is only an employee of the company.
That doesn't mean that those company officers can't be held responsible for fraud commited while they are in charge of it.
The only liability exemption it gives them is exemption to the valid debts of the company. However!! Debts occasioned as a result of fraud perpetrated by them, they are NOT exempt from liability for and they can legally be held personally liable for. He knows that! stop trying to defend him.
As for any new business the shark sets up.... we want to know about it straight away, so we can issue cautions! as (no doubt) will his former suppliers, who I suspect will not want to deal with him or whoever he uses as a front man to try and hide behind.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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As for any new business the shark sets up.... we want to know about it straight away, so we can issue cautions! as (no doubt) will his former suppliers, who I suspect will not want to deal with him or whoever he uses as a front man to try and hide behind.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
Three words for vendors dealing with Christian: CASH UP FRONT!!!
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I hope everyone's holiday season is going well. We're less than a week from 2008... boy does time fly.
I have an update for everyone, and I fully intend to keep you posted as things develop. Christian contacted me a week or so ago by e-mail, much as he did M37R01D. I had a chance to speak to him for nearly an hour on the phone last night, and we talked about posts in this forum as well as elsewhere, what his plans are for the future, and so-on. I think his plans have already been stated on here in an earlier post, so I won't rehash all of them.
In a nutshell, Christian has begun the process of making good on the orders left at Slikstik. Mine and M37R01D's are two of those orders. I know that there has been a great deal of mistrust generated by Slikstik, and I'm just as skeptical (actually, odds are I'm more skeptical) as the next guy. Here again, I'm not yet going to elaborate on anything other than the promise made to me by Christian--to order my overlay, put the panel together and ship it to me (hopefully) next week, or the week after at the latest. This is a fair attempt at beginning to make things right, so I'm willing to give him the chance to do so. As mentioned above, I will post on here to keep everyone updated on the progress of this promise. The results will certainly dictate how I respond to this situation, and I hope it is positive. This gets my panel to me, but I also know there are others out there still waiting, and I also want to see if this good will continues.
This is all I have to say at this point, but I will elaborate more as time goes by and things progress.
Happy New Year to everyone!
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He (hypothetically) has so much money from people he shafted in the last six months, he probably can afford to just order your control panel from Mameroom, get a tiny bit of goodwill generated from your posting, and still be wayyyyyyyyyyy ahead financially.
Hope it works out for you, though. Eight months is a long wait.
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promise made to me by Christian--to order my overlay, put the panel together and ship it to me (hopefully) next week, or the week after at the latest. This is a fair attempt at beginning to make things right, so I'm willing to give him the chance to do so.
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Sorry Jonathan.... That's just too funny for words after all the broken promises made by Christian to people on here and other places.
Good Luck!! I think you need it!!
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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Hi Guys, Scott from MameMarquees.com
I wanted to let people know that Christian did recently settle up the bill with my company and he ordered several overlays last week which were shipped out. I really don't know much more then that, but it would seem things are going in the right direction.
Scott
Mamemarquees.com
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Hi Guys, Scott from MameMarquees.com
I wanted to let people know that Christian did recently settle up the bill with my company and he ordered several overlays last week which were shipped out. I really don't know much more then that, but it would seem things are going in the right direction.
Scott
Mamemarquees.com
Noted Polaris..... So what's he up to.... Settling the few high profile cases that are likely to lead to a prosecution or significantly contribute to it???.
If he's left SlickStick then he's no liability for anything that was done legally so he's no liability to do this. Knowing Christian as well as we do, IMHO he's not doing anything out of personal remorse towards those people who were ripped off.
However! If, as he's well aware, there is significant possible case for fraud he would be very liable! and therefore back peddling on the high profile stuff to try and cover his rear is going to do him no good at all. Because by doing so, he is only managing to create evidence of pottential complicity in the alledged illegal acts. QED.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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If anyone cares I placed an order with SlikStik on the 26th. I received great communication throughout the pre-order process and as soon as I paid I received no contact, I sent a few e-mails and made a few calls all of which were ignored. About a week or so ago I decided to google issues with slikstik and found this thread and immediately filed a paypal claim. Within half hour of filing the claim I received an e-mail from our good friend Christian asking me why I filed a claim. I explained how my e-mails had been ignored and such and he assured me he received no e-mails. Anyways long story short he said my controller was read and would be mailed that day. Sure enough he gave me a tracking number and my unit is supposed to be delivered on the 3rd of January. Anyone else seen a controller ship lately?
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If anyone cares I placed an order with SlikStik on the 26th. I received great communication throughout the pre-order process and as soon as I paid I received no contact, I sent a few e-mails and made a few calls all of which were ignored. About a week or so ago I decided to google issues with slikstik and found this thread and immediately filed a paypal claim. Within half hour of filing the claim I received an e-mail from our good friend Christian asking me why I filed a claim. I explained how my e-mails had been ignored and such and he assured me he received no e-mails. Anyways long story short he said my controller was read and would be mailed that day. Sure enough he gave me a tracking number and my unit is supposed to be delivered on the 3rd of January. Anyone else seen a controller ship lately?
just make sure any date you get given falls within the period in which you can claim the money back, keep an eye on the date you can file til, many in this thread have lost out by leaving it too long and their cc company wouldnt touch it, for example after 90 days
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If anyone cares I placed an order with SlikStik on the 26th.
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Within half hour of filing the claim I received an e-mail from our good friend Christian
on Dec 20 (post #325 of this thread), scott from mameroom reports that christian is no longer an employee of slikstik and can no longer receive emails sent to slikstik.
some time after Dec 26, a paypal claim against slikstik elicits an instant email from christian.
hmmm...
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To clarify I placed my order on the 26th of November, not December.
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To clarify I placed my order on the 26th of November, not December.
May I ask what it was that you ordered? I'm going to be a little peeved if you ordered a complete panel in Novemeber and are (supposedly) recieving it. Not that I wouldn't be happy for you, because I would be, but there are lots of us that have waited six or more months for panels.
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May I ask what it was that you ordered? I'm going to be a little peeved if you ordered a complete panel in Novemeber and are (supposedly) recieving it. Not that I wouldn't be happy for you, because I would be, but there are lots of us that have waited six or more months for panels.
I think that based on his original post that it's a controller (emphasis is mine):
"...he said my controller was read[y] and would be mailed that day. Sure enough he gave me a tracking number and my unit is supposed to be delivered on the 3rd of January. Anyone else seen a controller ship lately?"
Although I'll be happy if he receives his product, I agree with you that the rest of us would be a bit upset that someone placing a new order is getting product, but we're still without anything, not even decent communication since, in my case, the end of July (5 months).
Onyx
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I ordered a full blown CO2 controller unit with custom overlay and pinball bumpers. It is still scheduled for delivery on the 3rd. I'll keep posting on here if anything comes up. Sorry to hear you guys have been waiting so long. Hopefully I dont just get a big empty box :(
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i doubt you'll even get an empty box.
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Well according to UPS I have a 40lb box currently sitting in Richmond BC that has cleared customs as of the 28th
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Well according to UPS I have a 40lb box currently sitting in Richmond BC that has cleared customs as of the 28th
In all seriousness, I am very happy that you are getting your panel. But this really does beg the question as to why I have been waiting since the middle of June for my panel. They can't even say that they didn't have parts for it because I sent them back my original CO2 panel to just have swapped out into a new one (although I did admittedly make a couple of hardware changes, but come on!).
And I have seen at least one poster on this thread that has been waiting longer than I have!
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I just received my SS Classic controller Christmas Eve. After canceling my order with SS and reversing my CC charges, I ordered the identical controller from mameroom. The funny thing is, the return address on the shipping box was from SlikStik in Nutley NJ. And to top that off, I didn't get the illuminated controllers I ordered and the darn thing is wired wrong and I cannot get it to work properly. I contacted mameroom and they are trying to make good, but it seems that I am supposed to wait for the manufacturer to call me--how likely is that!?!? So, once again I am waiting for SS (I need my joysticks and them to contact me regarding fixing their bad wiring/ipac). If this SS person is trying to make good with the community, he is doing a losy job.
Does anyone have a diagram on how to wire the SS Classic? If so, please contact me, I really want to get this thing working. I am so frushtrated and POd right now that I am ready to throw the thing out the window.
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I just received my SS Classic controller Christmas Eve. After canceling my order with SS and reversing my CC charges, I ordered the identical controller from mameroom. The funny thing is, the return address on the shipping box was from SlikStik in Nutley NJ. And to top that off, I didn't get the illuminated controllers I ordered and the darn thing is wired wrong and I cannot get it to work properly. I contacted mameroom and they are trying to make good, but it seems that I am supposed to wait for the manufacturer to call me--how likely is that!?!? So, once again I am waiting for SS (I need my joysticks and them to contact me regarding fixing their bad wiring/ipac). If this SS person is trying to make good with the community, he is doing a losy job.
I find this shocking. It was my understanding that Scott from Mameroom was building these himself. I hope Scott gets all of this straightened out, as I would hate to see his reputation get tarnished. He's a hell of a good guy from the phone conversation and emails that we have exchanged.
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The MAMEROOM people are great people. When I was thinking about having a cabinet built for me before a buddy of mine said he'd help me build one, MAMEROOM was one place I considered. The people there were incredibly honest and upfront and willing to help me out. They even said that it might be better for me to build one myself, but if not they'd be willing to help. It would take a LOT for their reputation to be tarnished. MAMEROOM and SlikStick are 100% complete opposites in terms of personality and "goodness".
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Im just praying all is well with my controller if and when it gets here, it cost me like $800. I have a feeling it will be a pain in the ass to try and get my money back if anything is wrong with the panel and obviously sending it back or whatever is not an option being in another country.
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I just received my SS Classic controller Christmas Eve. After canceling my order with SS and reversing my CC charges, I ordered the identical controller from mameroom. The funny thing is, the return address on the shipping box was from SlikStik in Nutley NJ. And to top that off, I didn't get the illuminated controllers I ordered and the darn thing is wired wrong and I cannot get it to work properly. I contacted mameroom and they are trying to make good, but it seems that I am supposed to wait for the manufacturer to call me--how likely is that!?!? So, once again I am waiting for SS (I need my joysticks and them to contact me regarding fixing their bad wiring/ipac). If this SS person is trying to make good with the community, he is doing a losy job.
Does anyone have a diagram on how to wire the SS Classic? If so, please contact me, I really want to get this thing working. I am so frushtrated and POd right now that I am ready to throw the thing out the window.
...very interesting...
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I find this whole thread a little sad. Not just for the customers waiting patiently for product that they paid for with their hard earned cash, but also for our little hobby seeing one of it's vendors manage to self implode. I would hope that things change with SlikStik by changing owners, but I'm not holding out much hope unless it completely changes hands and goes under "new management" so to speak. It seems that Jerry Mascari and Christian Stango were in fact business partners in this venture. Jerry so much as says they were partners in this video interview (scroll through about halfway to get to the slikstik interview with Jerry Mascari)...
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/coin-op-tv-episode-28-zack-hample-leonard-herman-and-slik-stik/1433793937 (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/coin-op-tv-episode-28-zack-hample-leonard-herman-and-slik-stik/1433793937)
So for Christian to say he was just an employee (one of 5?) trying to now buy out the ownership and make things right is a bit misleading. It seems like these guys were in this together.
BTW, does this look like the same guy?
http://www.nutley.com/about_me.asp (http://www.nutley.com/about_me.asp)
Realestate agent as well as SlikStik owner? If so perhaps he has been spread too thin to keep tabs on the company and left that up to Christian or ??? to mismanage? I never ordered anything from SlikStik personally, mainly due to the negative criticism on these forums scaring me away (came close with the Tornado, but ended up getting a GGG TurboTwist2 and love it). I have 2 co-workers though who ordered control panels from SlikStik and had a similar experience as many on the group here. They eventually got them, but it required months waiting with constant hounding on their part and little in the way of feedback from SlikStik. Very poor customer service to say the least.
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Well, I jumped the gun on my last comment and let my anger get away.
I just got off of the phone with Chris who made the controller and everything is fixed now. It was a loose ground wire on one of the buttons causing my problems that I must have knocked loose when installing it. Also, he rushed to get my controller to me before Christmas and didn't have the joysticks I wanted. They are in now and on their way, so I am happy.
It looks like this is not SlikStik I was dealing with. So if anyone has a SS order, I'd reverse the charges from them and order one from mameroom or someone like I did. Then you will get your controller.
In the end, I am very happy with this thing and my son and I played games all night. It was worth the wait. This person made good with my order. I hope the rest of you get yours.
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well damn I hope mine comes soon,
I havent been able to get in contact with him, by phone or email, the past week, after he said it would be shipped a day or 2 after x-mas, its been a week. :dunno
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well damn I hope mine comes soon,
I havent been able to get in contact with him, by phone or email, the past week, after he said it would be shipped a day or 2 after x-mas, its been a week. :dunno
Who did you order from?
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Well, I jumped the gun on my last comment and let my anger get away.
I just got off of the phone with Chris who made the controller and everything is fixed now. It was a loose ground wire on one of the buttons causing my problems that I must have knocked loose when installing it. Also, he rushed to get my controller to me before Christmas and didn't have the joysticks I wanted. They are in now and on their way, so I am happy.
It looks like this is not SlikStik I was dealing with. So if anyone has a SS order, I'd reverse the charges from them and order one from mameroom or someone like I did. Then you will get your controller.
In the end, I am very happy with this thing and my son and I played games all night. It was worth the wait. This person made good with my order. I hope the rest of you get yours.
didnt you mention that it was shipped from slistik though? any explanation on that
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Well, I jumped the gun on my last comment and let my anger get away.
I just got off of the phone with Chris who made the controller and everything is fixed now. It was a loose ground wire on one of the buttons causing my problems that I must have knocked loose when installing it. Also, he rushed to get my controller to me before Christmas and didn't have the joysticks I wanted. They are in now and on their way, so I am happy.
It looks like this is not SlikStik I was dealing with. So if anyone has a SS order, I'd reverse the charges from them and order one from mameroom or someone like I did. Then you will get your controller.
In the end, I am very happy with this thing and my son and I played games all night. It was worth the wait. This person made good with my order. I hope the rest of you get yours.
didnt you mention that it was shipped from slistik though? any explanation on that
Nope. I forgot to ask. I was just happy to get it working.
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didnt you mention that it was shipped from slistik though? any explanation on that
There is a possibility that Scott bought boxes and packing materials from SlikStik, hence the return address, but that is just speculation here.
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FYI... I received the following e-mail from Ms. Nicollette
I have forwarded all the complaints to the NJ Attorney General's
office of consumer Protection and I'm waiting to hear from them
again. So far I have received 8 complaints from across the country.
That's it!?
Only eight of us?
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FYI... I received the following e-mail from Ms. Nicollette
I have forwarded all the complaints to the NJ Attorney General's
office of consumer Protection and I'm waiting to hear from them
again. So far I have received 8 complaints from across the country.
That's it!?
Only eight of us?
Have any of the others on this board who filed with Ms. Nicollette recieved an email from her? I have not heard from her, so I wonder if I need to submit my complaint again.
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Have any of the others on this board who filed with Ms. Nicollette recieved an email from her? I have not heard from her, so I wonder if I need to submit my complaint again.
I submitted a complaint to Ms. Nicollette and this is the email I received from her on December 28th:
"Sorry to report that there is no news. I have now received 8 individual complaints on Slikstick. I have forwarded all the complaints to the NJ Office of Attorney General, Division of Consumer Affairs, Case Management Tracking. They are reviewing the situation and investigating the entire situation. As soon as I hear from any one I will update you."
I, too, was surprised that there were only 8 complaints.
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Well just an update, I talked to Chris, after he was MAI for a bit.
He said he is back in action and getting these panels out, without SS.
My panel, is jus awaiting an I-pac4, (Ultimarc is closed for about another week) but hopefully we can find another befor then.
I also resent him my color combination for the buttons, and he confirmed they were in stock, so now awaiting an Ipac4
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I, too, just got off the phone with Christian. We got some things hammered out, and he has promised to get my panel out to me in the next day or two. Things are looking promising. I will keep everyone very closely updated.
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I, too, just got off the phone with Christian. We got some things hammered out, and he has promised to get my panel out to me in the next day or two. Things are looking promising. I will keep everyone very closely updated.
hehe, bet you've never heard that one before. :laugh2: :laugh2:
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Someone better check on Fozzy...I'll bet he's passed out from laughter. :laugh2:
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Damoclese - good to hear, I know he has a few their that are almost complete, and should be ready fairly shortly.
To everyone else, I think we should give Chris another chance, he deff seems to be holding true on his word, and without SS, & coming out of his own pocket, to finish these things. He has already made good with some and is trying his hardest to make good with the rest. We just have to hang tight a bit longer. :cheers:
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To everyone else, I think we should give Chris another chance, he deff seems to be holding true on his word, and without SS, & coming out of his own pocket, to finish these things. He has already made good with some and is trying his hardest to make good with the rest. We just have to hang tight a bit longer. :cheers:
I Kn0w th@t w3 should ch1!!z, but, as you may have surmised, most of us have heard this exact same song before ... and more than a few times.
Please spare us the "we should give Xtian a chance" pleas as we have heard that a few times before as well and the end result is always the same ... another thread a few weeks later with almost exactly the same sequence of events.
You, yourself, have been told TWICE in the past 8 weeks that your panel was ready and would be shipped within days.
Got it yet ?
So they have lied to you for at least 8 weeks, and kept you waiting at least 16 weeks ... and you had the nerve to tell people here that they were lying and spreading misinformation about SlikStik?
When/If you do finally get your panel, THEN you can ask folks to give Xtian a break. They won't (at least until they can see that perhaps this really have changed ... so far it is business as usual) , but at least then your request will be somewhat reasonable.
Let's see, are we back to a lack of IPacs now, or is it overlays, or maybe trackballs ?
:dizzy:
Sincere best wishes for good luck in getting your stuff (nobody likes to see good people getting ripped off).
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Some people are ripe for the pickin'... I mean how many times does do some folks have to get screwed before they realize that their backside is turning to mush?
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(http://metroidzmodz.com/arcade/panelsmall.jpg)
Its coming :)
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And so is she ... ;)
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how old are you 13?
or do you jus tryin to get to 10,000 comments on this board?
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I dunno ... I thought the relevance of the joke was obvious ... or maybe it just wasn't funny ... or maybe I just didn't interchange enough letters and numbers to register on your l33t $c@l3 ...
:dunno
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no but you repeativly & indirectly called me out, and really its gettin annoying
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no but you repeativly & indirectly called me out, and really its gettin annoying
I actually thought it was pretty direct. I dunno WTF repeativly is.
- I called you out because you posted in this thread 8 weeks ago telling us to chill out and calling people liars.
- You got called out on that and then edited your posts to remove those accusations and subsequently denied calling anybody a liar.
- Then you realized that you hadn't actually received your panel.
- Then you reported that Xtian is a good guy and was going to ship your panel in the days immediately following Christmas.
- Then you complained because it hadn't happened.
- Then you say that we should all lay off of Xtian because he is making good.
- I tell you that this is the standard pattern and that you shouldn't tell us to lay off of Xtian
- I make a joke about things not being what they appear to be and you get annoyed
How is it that you are more angry at me than you are at Xtian ?
It's not like *I* took your money and then lied to you -- I've been totally honest and my services come free of charge! ;)
Where the heck is Fozzy ?
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Ya know something...I bet M377001 will get his control panel next week. Hell, If I were Christian i'd have sent that annoying ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?--- his CP as early as possible just to NOT have to listen to him anymore.
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And so is she ... ;)
Actually I think in the context of the movie she was only pretending to be comming. Just like the control panels in question.
I really hope that something is shipped so that some can start the new year in good cheer. If not keep on believing as long as you desire.
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1. Some of the things I quoted on were lies
2. I edited post that offended people
3. Yes I didnt get my panel, but now im constantly on the phone and email with him, and he even sent pixs over of the CP
4. Yes he is a good guy, why would he be making good on orders for SS. Did he not make good with scott? Didn't someone report they got thier panel after the downfall? Havn't people posting this past week been able to get in contact with him?
5. No that is my overlay, get it right pal.
6. I'm not annoyed to much from your girly pic, its jus you dont stop, you havn't even ordered anything from them, you aren't waiting on sh!t but just like to add your 1/2 a cent of a though in.
7. Its not that I'm angry with you but you keep attacking me and it is gettin annoying.
8. Nobody took my money, again get it right pal
Edit:
Frizzle: Sorry I had annoyed your beloved forums with my updates and personal experiences with Chris and SS. LOL
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6. I'm not annoyed to much from your girly pic, its jus you dont stop, you havn't even ordered anything from them, you aren't waiting on sh!t but just like to add your 1/2 a cent of a though in.
OK, so you didn't get the joke. If you failed to make the connection, then it wouldn't seem relevant. It wasn't some random girly pic, it was specifically chosen to elicit the thoughts that BobA has made very plain. Maybe I am just too old for my humour to connect with you.
If you had bothered to actually read any of the SlikStik threads you would know that I have ordered from them and have never, ever had a problem ... I was a very satisfied customer. I, however, have come to understand that I was in the fortunate minority and will continue to warn people until such time as things actually are as you describe them to be.
Did he not make good with scott? Didn't someone report they got thier panel after the downfall? Havn't people posting this past week been able to get in contact with him?
Hey, when he makes right with the REST of the people that have been owed money for a long time (and we know that this isn't the case), THEN I will consider things moving in the right direction. Making things right with a required supplier is a first step, but hardly the great show of faith that you make it out to be.
Let's remember that after specifically promising to pay past debts, Xtian reneged and changed his cell number to avoid those debts.
As for me having to put in my $.005 ... I leave it to the reader at large to decide ...
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And so is she ... ;)
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Hey M37R01D - you're on the wrong board, this is Build your own controls, not Buy your own controls!
Seriously though, I hope you actually get your control panel, but don't hold your breath...
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UPS is scheduled to deliver my 40lb box tomorrow. We shall see what said box contains. I'll post pics if I get anything tomorrow.
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UPS is scheduled to deliver my 40lb box tomorrow. We shall see what said box contains. I'll post pics if I get anything tomorrow.
8 New Jersey phonebooks...
>:D
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And so is she ... ;)
:laugh2:
I'm 26, have never actually seen the whole movie, but I did get the joke right off the bat...and it was a damn good one at that. ;D
And for the young pups, here's yur wikipediaz dudz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Harry_Met_Sally...#Deli_scene
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I called you out because you posted in this thread 8 weeks ago telling us to chill out and calling people liars.
You got called out on that and then edited your posts to remove those accusations and subsequently denied calling anybody a liar.
Then you realized that you hadn't actually received your panel.
Then you reported that Xtian is a good guy and was going to ship your panel in the days immediately following Christmas.
Then you complained because it hadn't happened.
Then you say that we should all lay off of Xtian because he is making good.
I tell you that this is the standard pattern and that you shouldn't tell us to lay off of Xtian
I make a joke about things not being what they appear to be and you get annoyed
This reminds me of another thread in a forum far far away (actually http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98489) where someone tried to cover up "mistakes" by deleting them and then denying the fact. Read for your own pleasure if you haven't done so.
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UPS is scheduled to deliver my 40lb box tomorrow. We shall see what said box contains. I'll post pics if I get anything tomorrow.
8 New Jersey phonebooks...
>:D
An arcade version of the P-P-P-Powerbook (http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/)
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I called you out because you posted in this thread 8 weeks ago telling us to chill out and calling people liars.
You got called out on that and then edited your posts to remove those accusations and subsequently denied calling anybody a liar.
Then you realized that you hadn't actually received your panel.
Then you reported that Xtian is a good guy and was going to ship your panel in the days immediately following Christmas.
Then you complained because it hadn't happened.
Then you say that we should all lay off of Xtian because he is making good.
I tell you that this is the standard pattern and that you shouldn't tell us to lay off of Xtian
I make a joke about things not being what they appear to be and you get annoyed
This reminds me of another thread in a forum far far away (actually http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98489) where someone tried to cover up "mistakes" by deleting them and then denying the fact. Read for your own pleasure if you haven't done so.
I didnt edit anything out like that, all that was edited was 1 minor offensive term, not removing accusations, LOL you guys are a trip.
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This reminds me of another thread in a forum far far away (actually http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98489) where someone tried to cover up "mistakes" by deleting them and then denying the fact. Read for your own pleasure if you haven't done so.
Oh wow, I am soo bookmarking that for whenever I need a laugh. I only read the first page and then skipped ahead 20 or so to scan. in the urban dictionary, they need to add a link to the thread under the listing for "pwnage". ;D
Oh, and this pic was posted over there. I will NEVER look at Ewoks the same again!
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1446/ewokpedophilefc5.gif)
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I find the irony of this gem to be quite hilarious...
(http://www.crackahs.com/haha/owned0jx.jpg)
(from the same thread)
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How is it that you are more angry at me than you are at Xtian ?
It's not like *I* took your money and then lied to you -- I've been totally honest and my services come free of charge! ;)
Where the heck is Fozzy ?
ROFLMAO.... :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
I've been away! and trying to sort my job out......
It's easy. He's more angry at you, because he knows he's wrong yet again, but doesn't want to admit it. If his box does ever arrive then you can bet it either won't work or something will not be as ordered. Damned good luck to him.
As for Sick Slick Stango, I think you said it all. We've heard this so many times before that nobody except a complete moron would believe a word of it. After four years of listening to people who have been lied to and ignored and sent defective items which have not been replaced, or had to wait eight or nine months before anything turns up, or not had the goods that they paid for at all, there is no way I'm going to believe any of this BS from him.
Just exactly how is Mr Stango sending these out when he claimed to no longer have anything to do with the company??? It's just more BS.
At the end of the day, yeah! he may send this one out.... But only because it's high profile enough to con a few more people into parting with even more money for goods that will never see the light of day. In six months time there'll be another thread with almost exactly the same stories over and over again.
Lets just hope that the Legal Eagles at Nutley Town Council do hammer him enough to put a stop to this chaos and the they come down hard on the alledged Fraudulent Trading, Wire Fraud, Credit Card Fraud, Sale Of Goods Not As Described Or Ordered, Failure To Supply Goods, Trading Without A Business Licence etc etc etc etc.....
Give Christian Stango a break!!! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: NEVER! Until he returns ALL the money he's taken without supplying the goods, and I do mean ALL the money. NEVER! Untill he's supplied all the goods as ordered that he hasn't returned the money for.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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Hmm, I warned that it was awful convenient that Christian showed like a knight in shining armor just as the Nutley and DA thing started to really come together. Then all the sudden the lady is shocked because only 8 people actually followed thru. Yes, very convenient.
:dunno
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Exactly. Freaking. Right.
But maybe we should give Xtian a break ... ::)
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I'm angry cuase I'm wrong? about what? LOL you guys are to funny. I'm not angry at anyone, yea some of your guys attacks toward me are kinda childish, but hey thats on you.
Either way, I'll let you guys fight over it, and I'll just report back on this thread when my panel is in, other then that, have fun with with yur sh!t talkin thread.
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Thanks for making the exact point that needs to be made (and the "attacks" on you are the result of you not actually having any vision beyond yourself and seeing what has been happening for YEARS).
This is pretty much the precise pattern that has been followed every time one of these threads pop up.
1 - Slikstik screws people over
2 - People post about it here
3 - The old timers say the same things that we always say
4 - A number of new folks* post in defense of SlikStik and bag on the old timers
5 - Slikstik makes good with some of the new folks*
6 - Thread dies
7 - Repeat every 4-8 weeks
You may ask why i have asterisked the term 'new folks' -- three reasons:
First - they are for the most part new and don't know about this ongoing issue.
Second - they almost never hang around long enough to see it happen again.
Third - they are the ones who eventually get their stuff, so they can post about it and brag on what a good guy Xtian is.
Moral of the story ... post in defense of SlikStik and report on their progress until you get your stuff -- the old folks may bag on you for the obvious reason (i.e. this happens all the freaking time and more people get screwed as a result), but you'll probably get your stuff (more or less). Then the rest of us can repeat in a few weeks' time.
If I may add one piece of advice ... if you do post, don't run around accusing the old folks of lying and spreading misinformation. That way you won't have to endure as much hardship as poor M3RG37R01D. :cry:
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If I may add one piece of advice ... if you do post, don't run around accusing the old folks of lying and spreading misinformation. That way you won't have to endure as much hardship as poor M3RG37R01D. :cry:
ROFL Mergatroid :laugh2: Kind of suits him.....
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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He didn't get the When Harry Met Sally joke, so there is no way that he is going to get Mergatroid ... :dunno
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No argument here ... ;)
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This reminds me of another thread in a forum far far away (actually http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98489) where someone tried to cover up "mistakes" by deleting them and then denying the fact. Read for your own pleasure if you haven't done so.
This is well worth the time to browse through. I burned my lunch hour on it today and nearly split a gut laughing.
-pmc
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Box just got here, havent opened it yet. I will post pics of whatever is inside when I open it. Stay tuned!
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Fingers crossed for you ...
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but after talking with them by phone things went much better, and my order is actually getting done and being shipped out soon
-M37R01D on November 02, 2007 (over 2 months ago)
Edit: Also thier was misinformation, as they were going out of business, going bankrupt, ect. ect.
-M37R01D on November 02, 2007 (misinformation eh? :laugh2: )
I'm sure he is aware of the rep this is creating for him through the community.
When I call him in a few days once my overlay ships to him, I will mention it to him.
-M37R01D on November 02, 2007 (Have you made that call?)
I may have to change my opinion,
Last I spoke with Christain was 11/15 (same day "mikeyman" spoke with him) in which he said my panel would ship 11/16 (same day mikeyman went to pick his up), which it did not ship,
Then again on 11/30, which he said it would go out. Again it didn't go out, and I've had no word since.
-M37ROID on December 17, 2007 (I was beginning to think it finally begun to sink in...)
Thats what I'm tryin to figure out, according to SS, my panel was "DONE" and was jus awaiting shipping.
-M37R01D on December 18, 2007 (again, another lie you believed...if it were TRULY just waiting shipping, why in the hell hasn't it shipped yet....still...on January 4th, 2008?)
got some news
Christian emailed me, saying he was taking over, and pullin things out his own pocket if he has to, he told me he would pick my panel up 1-2 days after x-mas and have it right out
-M37R01D on December 21, 2007 (Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---...you still believe the guy? Lets see...1-2 days after x-mas would put it at December 27th at the latest. It's January 4th, 2008. WHERE'S IT AT?)
Well just an update, I talked to Chris, after he was MAI for a bit.
He said he is back in action and getting these panels out, without SS.
My panel, is jus awaiting an I-pac4, (Ultimarc is closed for about another week) but hopefully we can find another befor then.
I also resent him my color combination for the buttons, and he confirmed they were in stock, so now awaiting an Ipac4
-M37R01D on January 3rd, 2008
HOLY MOTHER MARY OF GOD?! Um, the guy has OUTRIGHT LIED TO YOUR FACE (your controller is waiting for tb, waiting for CPO, waiting to be shipped, blah blah blah blah blah) and he has yet pulled ONE MORE line from his bag of tricks "waiting for an ipac" and you, without question, BELIEVE THE GUY?!?
You are kidding me right? You are either the most trusting (ie: gullible) S.O.B. on the face of the planet or you're the dumbest. Which is it bro?
You're blind faith in a guy who has bent you over multiple times and LIED DIRECTLY TO YOU is only to be witnessed to be believed. ARE YOU CHRISTIANS SON or something feeling bad for pop? I mean I can't believe this.
Dude...I have some beachfront property in northern Idaho for sale...right on the Indian ocean. CHEAP! PM me if you're interested.
BOTTOM LINE: Even if the CP showed up tomorrow, I am horrified that you aren't full bore PISSED at SS and how they have repeatedly LIED to you...
If I were in the same situation and they offered my CP FREE OF CHARGE, I'd STILL have nothing but bad to say about the experience.
But I guess we are of a different...something because I am at AWE at your attitudes toward SS and towards those critical of SS.
EDITED FOR CLARITY.
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Box just got here, havent opened it yet. I will post pics of whatever is inside when I open it. Stay tuned!
Open it! What, did Christiaan tell you he would show up and open it for you? Seriously, he ain't coming, and we're all hoping you got what you paid for.
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but after talking with them by phone things went much better, and my order is actually getting done and being shipped out soon
-M37R01D on November 02, 2007 (over 2 months ago)
Edit: Also thier was misinformation, as they were going out of business, going bankrupt, ect. ect.
-M37R01D on November 02, 2007 (misinformation eh? :laugh2: )
I'm sure he is aware of the rep this is creating for him through the community.
When I call him in a few days once my overlay ships to him, I will mention it to him.
-M37R01D on November 02, 2007 (Have you made that call?)
I may have to change my opinion,
Last I spoke with Christain was 11/15 (same day "mikeyman" spoke with him) in which he said my panel would ship 11/16 (same day mikeyman went to pick his up), which it did not ship,
Then again on 11/30, which he said it would go out. Again it didn't go out, and I've had no word since.
-M37ROID on December 17, 2007 (I was beginning to think it finally begun to sink in...)
Thats what I'm tryin to figure out, according to SS, my panel was "DONE" and was jus awaiting shipping.
-M37R01D on December 18, 2007 (again, another lie you believed...if it were TRULY just waiting shipping, why in the hell hasn't it shipped yet....still...on January 4th, 2008?)
got some news
Christian emailed me, saying he was taking over, and pullin things out his own pocket if he has to, he told me he would pick my panel up 1-2 days after x-mas and have it right out
-M37R01D on December 21, 2007 (Holy ---Cleveland steamer---...you still believe the guy? Lets see...1-2 days after x-mas would put it at December 27th at the latest. It's January 4th, 2008. WHERE'S IT AT?)
Well just an update, I talked to Chris, after he was MAI for a bit.
He said he is back in action and getting these panels out, without SS.
My panel, is jus awaiting an I-pac4, (Ultimarc is closed for about another week) but hopefully we can find another befor then.
I also resent him my color combination for the buttons, and he confirmed they were in stock, so now awaiting an Ipac4
-M37R01D on January 3rd, 2008
HOLY MOTHER MARY OF GOD?! Um, the guy has OUTRIGHT LIED TO YOUR FACE (your controller is waiting for tb, waiting for CPO, waiting to be shipped, blah blah blah blah blah) and he has yet pulled ONE MORE line from his bag of tricks "waiting for an ipac" and you, without question, BELIEVE THE GUY?!?
You are kidding me right? You are either the most trusting (ie: gullible) S.O.B. on the face of the planet or you're the dumbest. Which is it bro?
You're blind faith in a guy who has bent you over multiple times and LIED DIRECTLY TO YOU is only to be witnessed to be believed. ARE YOU CHRISTIANS SON or something feeling bad for pop? I mean I can't believe this.
Dude...I have some beachfront property in northern Idaho for sale...right on the Indian ocean. CHEAP! PM me if you're interested.
BOTTOM LINE: Even if the CP showed up tomorrow, I am horrified that you aren't full bore PISSED at SS and how they have repeatedly LIED to you...
If I were in the same situation and they offered my CP FREE OF CHARGE, I'd STILL have nothing but bad to say about the experience.
But I guess we are of a different...something because I am at AWE at your attitudes toward SS and towards those critical of SS.
EDITED FOR CLARITY.
Wow, good detective work.
No wonder slikstik went out of business - the way they build control panels, disassemble them, add all the controls, take them back out, wire it up, then strip all that out, put on an overlay, then strip it off to put back on later. They really need to learn how to do things once. :laugh2: :laugh2:
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Here is some pics...
http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid (http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid)
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Here is some pics...
http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid (http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid)
That has to be the coolest stack of phone books I've ever seen
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Here is some pics...
http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid (http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid)
Is the upper right corner broken / peeling up or is it an optical illusion?
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Here is some pics...
http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid (http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid)
Is the upper right corner broken / peeling up or is it an optical illusion?
I was gunna say the same thing, but its apparent on two photos?
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/IMG_5116.jpg?t=1199483127)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/IMG_5113.jpg?t=1199483170)
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Here is some pics...
http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid (http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid)
That has to be the coolest stack of phone books I've ever seen
I'd still like to know where your anger is? You've been screwed over for months for crying out loud...MONTHS!
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that is the only problem I have noticed. The top right corner is peeling
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that is the only problem I have noticed. The top right corner is peeling
I hear that's a problem that can occur with panels that have been sitting around for a long time... :o
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Here is some pics...
http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid (http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=gr)
WOW!! A SickSlick Box!! Sent out by Christian Stango, who claimed to have nothing to do with the company any more!...... That's got to be rare. I'd put that in a museum, it's got to be worth a fortune given how few of them exist. I'm stunned by it. It's even got the classic badly fitted peeling overlay that other people have reported.
I wonder if the return address is the same one that he had when he did have something to do with the company...... :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
I also wonder if MameMarquees should actually be supplying him with SickSlick overlays, given that he no longer has anything to do with it.... ;D ;D
Here's the reality.... Just an employee, no longer with the company, YEAH RIGHT!! and my name's Whip Doodle Thribble Kerplunk Kerplunk Phutang The Third :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Christian Stango backed by Daddys Money has been behind SickSlick from day one and still is. It was just another attempt to get out of his responsibilities. Which is precisely why he's still the one sending stuff out when he actually bothers to.... Never know! Might reel in a few more suckers.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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Here is some pics...
http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid (http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid)
That has to be the coolest stack of phone books I've ever seen
Before you act all smug, let's see if it works...
:P
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works fine, used it for several hours this afternoon. Everything auto detected under vista and worked great
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I was you last year at Xmas.
Slickstik Sucks balls (company i mean)- over priced and you don't get what you pay for.
I am happy with my control panel but not in love with it (like i should be)- They did it wrong and after waiting 4 months or whatever it was - I wasn't returning it.
They know that big orders like that will not get returned.
You stick is nice..... Good luck with your arcade building and your Slickstick.
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I have been following this thread from the start of the Mameroom/SlikStik negotiations. First, those that are slamming SlikStik and/or Christian personally...are you SlikStik customers? The reason I ask is because if you are, you very well could hurt your chances on ever getting your panel...if you are not a customer, then you are hurting everyone else's chances. Let me explain...
Considering that this is primarily a DIY forum, the majority of members may already be biased when it comes to vendors hanging around this board. Unfortuantely, this issue at hand is a business one. The fact of the matter is...whether Chris is or was just an employee (which is my understanding) or a partner, or even the owner of SlikStik LLC...It is an LLC which protects him personally...unless you wrote a check out to "Christian S" directly. I know this, because I have several LLCs set up by my attorney and business consultant for this very reason. Letting the Attorney General handle this situation really is the best approach...Slamming Chris personally is not.
There is a reason why companies with good reputations are still doing business with Chris outside of SlikStik. It is very unfortunate, but the issues with SlikStik are not uncommon with any other business in financial trouble. My parents personally lost over $6000 when they ordered carpet from Carpet Barn just before they filed for bankrupcy. I know you don't want to hear it, but it is just business, and unfortunately, it's the little guy that always gets hurt. When a company folds or is in financial trouble, the order in which matters get resolved or paid is:
1) The governement
2) Banks or lending institutions
3) Creditors
4) Vendors
5) Customers
Many times there is nothing left by the time it reaches the customer. And from what I've learned during Mameroom's negotiations...the best course of action I would recommend is to let Chris try to make good on what he has offered...although he does not have to (from a business perspective).
While it may bring comfort to some that some lady from the chamber of commerce and the attorney general are involved...Ultimately they will most likely be awarded a judgement against SlikStik and the payout will be as outlined before (government, banks, etc...).
With that being said, I do know that Chris is personally trying to get everyone's orders out. He is doing it out of his own poket....Mameroom has no involvement whatsoever in what he is attempting to do. Whether it is so he can come out of this on top of this ordeal when he starts his own company...or for other reasons. This forum accounts for less than 15% of all sales generated for SlikStik (I learned this whan trying to acquire the company)....So attempting to tarnish or derail any future company formed by Chris will ultimately be a futile waste of time. Back to my opening comment, the only thing people of this forum are doing, is limiting the chance for Chris to make good on what he offered, and really screwing people that Chris is trying to make good with.
Let the man make good on what he promised, for the people that have money invested! I've already heard of SEVERAL customers receiving their panels (on this board!). If this is a personal matter against Chris, then don't fool yourself or anyone else on this board...you don't really care whether people get their products or not...you just want to do what you can to destroy Chris...whatever you do, I'm reminding you that it won't work (at least not on this board alone).
I do realize that I am sticking my own head on the chopping block by making this post..but as a vendor, what is happening in here is wrong. Customers ARE receiving their products. Granted, a lot longer than what was expected...but what is happening in here is that people will lose if it keeps going in this direction...Unfortuantely for the people attacking Chris personally...it won't be Chris that looses.
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I thank Scott for posting as he does present a balanced alternative from what some others (myself included) have been saying.
The aspect of Xtian's status with SlikStik is of critical importance because the shielding of the LLC is by no means absolute, particularly with respect to (mis)representations made by individuals within the LLC, potentially fraudulent activities and actions that would bblur the line between LLC and individuals (say, the lack of corporate records, using personal funds, etc.).
I actually have been a customer of SlikStik and have never had a problem (and I keep having to say this). OTOH, I am a member of this community and this has been an ongoing problem with SlikStik. Somebody has to have some responsibility to warn newbs (e.g. 'If only I had read this thread before') . It's not like this issue just cropped up within the last two months -- the constant recurrence of these threads is evidence of that.
I truly hope that SlikStik/Xtian make good with everybody, but we have heard that story before and haven't had much reason to place stock in what Xtian says. People should act with that in mind and not be blind to the fact the problem is not a new occurence.
:cheers:
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I would like to echo what CheffoJeffo has said...as that was my intent to say, but got a little sidetracked.
The point that I really wanted to make was...warn people (newbs), post your grievences about SlikStik, personal experiences, etc...but then leave it. I know it's easier said than done...but since their is a chance to get your merchandise, why rock the boat...anyone still standing on the soapbox either has nothing to do with SlikStik during the recent affairs or has nothing to risk.
...there is nothing in the Law that says Chris personally owes you (I've reviewed the circumstances as a business owner myself), But he is trying to do the right thing. So why not let him (is my point).
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Considering that this is primarily a DIY forum, the majority of members may already be biased when it comes to vendors hanging around this board.
There is a reason why companies with good reputations are still doing business with Chris outside of SlikStik.
the best course of action I would recommend is to let Chris try to make good on what he has offered...although he does not have to (from a business perspective).
With that being said, I do know that Chris is personally trying to get everyone's orders out. He is doing it out of his own poket.......So attempting to tarnish or derail any future company formed by Chris will ultimately be a futile waste of time. Back to my opening comment, the only thing people of this forum are doing, is limiting the chance for Chris to make good on what he offered, and really screwing people that Chris is trying to make good with.
If this is a personal matter against Chris, then don't fool yourself or anyone else on this board...you don't really care whether people get their products or not...you just want to do what you can to destroy Chris...whatever you do, I'm reminding you that it won't work (at least not on this board alone).
Unfortuantely for the people attacking Chris personally...it won't be Chris that looses.
...there is nothing in the Law that says Chris personally owes you (I've reviewed the circumstances as a business owner myself), But he is trying to do the right thing. So why not let him (is my point).
Very well said, good thing people like you here otherwise they jump on your --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- like they did to me.
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Very well said, good thing people like you here otherwise they jump on your --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- like they did to me.
But he didn't call anybody a liar. ;)
FWIW, I disagree with Scott, partly because this just keeps happening (and everytime there is somebody that says give Xtian a break),partly because I think Scott is being naive in his assessment of the legal aspect and partly because I doubt that there is much that posts like mine could do to other than keep new folks from sending SlikStik money until they work things out (which is just common sense).
Really, it isn't as if Xtian has recently enjoyed a stellar reputation here on AYOAC(tm). ;)
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CheffoJeffo, I completely understand everyone's delema here...and in no way think that everyone should agree with what I have said or recommended.
It truely is a double-edge sword. By slamming Chris, you will be depriving many of what it is that everyone is seeking in here. By not slamming Chris, you feel that you are turning a blind eye to what has happened.
Regarding legal matters...those who know me personally on this board, know that I work in a very large and prestigous internation law firm. I am not a lawyer, but It is by the advise of several of my coworkers who are (and business consultant) that I break up my company into several smaller LLCs and keep seperate books and accounts for all for the protection that an LLC offers...if any one of them goes bust or has a liability, the others (the rest of my business) stays alive and untouched by any of the other business. As far as being personally liable, provided that any member of an LLC or corporation does not accept money in their name or use any personal accounts for any of the finances, or does anything illegal...there really is no chance that they will be financially liable...as we will soon see as the NJ AG is involved. Keep what I said in mind, as I'm confident that it will unfold just as I said,...it is afterall, a business matter. Regarding everyone's hope that there was some kind of fraud or illegal activities...I have no comment and that truly would be the ONLY hope to attach Chris to this mess personally...in which case, customers would likely still not receive what they ordered or paid for.
Again, although it may make you feel better for the moment, the personal vendettas against Chris really will get everyone NOWHERE. And I'm afraid people will not get their panels. Should Chris get off the hook untarnished? No, and I think the entire month long (and then some) tirade on this forum have served their purpose. We've heard every reason why someone should not purchase from SlikStik (with good reason). Every "Good" post about Chris or of a previous SS order being fulfilled...we still hear the same broken record and someone stepping up and saying "ya, but..."
There is one and only ONE thing left that can happen as a result of a continued tirade...people will lose and Chris will still come out of this more on top than anyone else. Again, keep in mind that this board accounts for only 15% (or less) of all orders he will receive.
While, Mameroom has enjoyed the publicity of this thread, I think that everyone deserves the right to make ammends for something. In fact, I personally think that this is going to be an excellent opportunity for Chris to promote a new business. I'm sure you are going to hear nothing but good posts (from actual customers) from here on out. As more and more panels show up to their owners...pretty soon, this thread and everything that once happened will only be a memory and a stepping stone to something even better.
Any posts regarding..."Remember when..." will have no power to the intended punch. This whole situation will be just a "bump in the road" as far as Chris or his new business is concerned.
As far as personal tirades against Chris, who ultimately is going to suffer? I think it would be naive to think it will be him.
He will continue to receive business from Mameroom (and others as I don't want to call them out if they don't want the attention that I have now focused on my company).
I have never met Chris personally (don't even know what he looks like), but as a business owner observing what he is doing (getting panels out from his own pocket)..I feel compelled to step up and applaud him...and to those who are actually getting what they set out to do.
...again, let's hope that everyone gets what they seek.
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Wow, almost -exactly- the same kind of tirade that Christiaan used to spew out when people said things he didn't like. That's very interesting.
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It's all to easy to get involved in "flame" wars in here...I'm not defending anyone...just my own observations.
I do want to restate something that I've said...
People still standing on the soapbox, obviously are not customers or don't have anything to loose and have no interest whether people get their products or not.
Again, pretty soon, people will have nothing to talk about in here...if Chris does make good on his promise.
Come to think of it...this all could have been a brilliant publicity stunt to break away from SlikStik and go out on his own...if that's the case...it's brilliant ! (from a business perspective)
...just want to see people get their panels.
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I dunno if it is -exactly- the same.
FWIW, I was a senior employee at a company that went under and definitely feel some empathy for folks in that position. The numbers from that disaster were much bigger than we're talking about with SlikStik. I personally took a massive financial loss and we had to work very hard to eliminate losses for employees and customers. My former boss (sole owner of the company) took a lot of heat in the industry about that and suffered a bad reputation for years. However, in the same way that Scott believes in Xtian, someone believed in him and he managed to recover. I'm proud to call him my business partner.
I have complete and total respect for Scott's position.
In my mind, however, this is a somewhat different situation since the problem has been ongoing and didn't simply begin with the onset of the publicly obvious financial problems. Couple that with Xtian's public tirades about the problem, and you can see why folks are skeptical of Xtian and his motives.
I don't think that people HOPE that there has been fraud, but it does seem to be that there have been misrepresentations along the way. There may well be another side to this, but it definitely doesn't look good that the same excuses have been used for years and some of them have apparently been refuted by the suppliers in question.
I also don't think that the 'record' is broken, it's just than SlikStik/Xtian hasn't yet been fixed.
When that happens, then the objections will die down. I think that we'd all like to see that happen.
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And so is she ... ;)
;D
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Magic, I sent you an email about the overlay corner. That is NOT "typical" as Fozzy wrote above.
Scott
www.mamemarquees.com
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Yes, I agree 100%. And that is what I would like to see. My initial point was to let that happen and not to try to derail it by personal attacks. No praise, no applause, no brownie points...just see where it leads...as there really is nothing to lose.
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I'm afraid I have to agree with Scott. I think some are taking this waaaay too personally, and I'm speaking as a guy who currently is out $1400 worth of product from SlikStik. There is stating your point of dissatisfaction, and then there is being vicious, and I'm afraid many of these posts have just become vicious and have therefore lost some of their credibility. Seriously, many of the posts on here sound as though the poster would stab Christian in the throat if they passed him on the street. You know what folks, its just money. You'll probably be able to make more. Do I think a warning needs to be sent out to those in the community? Absolutely. Am I doing all I can to try and get my money or panel? Absolutely. If I can't get either my money or panel, do I want to see them punished? Absolutely. As you can see from my prior posts I have filed with the Attorneys General in Kansas and New Jersey, have filed with Ms. Nicollete and am considering small claims relief (although I know this will be fruitless). Honestly, some of the posts almost make me feel sorry for Christian.
Anyway, that is my $0.02, knowing full well it ain't worth that much. ;D
/flamesuit on
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To be fair, I think that Xtian may be reaping what he sowed with respect to personal attacks.
Although it seems that nobody twigged on the tongue-in-cheek 'AYOAC' joke, Xtian has done more than his fair share of being belligerent and picking fights with people here (not me that I can recall) and some folks have long memories (this stuff goes back to the OLD BYOAC forums).
Just saying that it's not as one-sided as it may appear.
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Again, I agree 100%. He may be reaping reaping what he sewed Yes, he deserves every bit of "flame" in here....
...if it continues, it will be business as usual for Chris, but people may not get their panels.
My point...Chris will succeed at his new business regardless of what happens in here. The question is whether or not people in here will get their panels in the process. The continuing flamewar will ensure that they do not.
I don't want to see that happen.
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I am really annoyed by the way Scott at Mameroom is coming across here.
Basically you are telling everybody to shut up if they know what's good for them.
For the most part, everybody here has been very detailed on their criticism of SlikStik and very few personal attacks have been made. And the criticism is more than warranted.
But you are telling everybody that if the criticism continues they might not get their panels, even the people that haven't criticized.
To me that actually warrants more criticism, and I think it is very bad tactic on your part to come in here and say that. You do business with him, has he told you personally that if the criticism continues he is not going to honor his word?
If I had done business with someone and I got jerked around the way some have here I would be sure to let everyone know. Even if it ruined the slim chances of things working out. I would hate to see more people fall victim.
If noone had criticized in the first place, I don't think anyone at all would have gotten their panels. Slikstik probably would have went on business as usual while the customer took it in the you know where. For once it's nice to see some results due to some customers getting together and taking action.
Also I hate the way LLC's are used by people to avoid having to pay their debts. I think it can be criminal. There are too many ways in this country for people without scruples to get away with crimes and still be protected by the law. It's ridiculous.
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The question is whether or not people in here will get their panels in the process. The continuing flamewar will ensure that they do not.
You're saying that people aren't going to get their panels if this guys logs onto this forum and reads comments that are somehow negative in nature to him and his reputation? Here's an idea - maybe this guy should take a frigging break from the Internet for a couple months and get people the panels they ordered and effing paid for made. I'm stunned that anyone has the audacity to stick up for this ---tallywhacker---, much less tell people whose money he's stolen to STFU and maybe - maybe! - you'll get what you ordered. If, you know, you're not damaging what's left of his reputation on a bulletin board. Because in that case you're not getting your stuff due to laziness and incompetence, but spite.
This has been going on for how many weeks and months after they stopped taking orders? He could be finishing two panels a day -- at least -- and be done with this by now, but apparently it cuts into the time he spends doing vanity searches for himself on the Internet and then cross-referencing those horrible BYOAC posters with his football-field-long list of orders he can't be bothered to ship. I imagine smoke blowing out his ears right now as he flips his keyboard and attempts to see if "I.C. Jonsey" gave him thousands of dollars at some point, because man, that a-hole Jones will never get anything shipped to him now (which wouldn't separate me from the hundreds of other people he's screwed, I guess I would just get extra-nothing, natch).
My point...Chris will succeed at his new business regardless of what happens in here.
Hahaha, what? He'll succeed at his new business? Like the stellar job he did with SlikStick? How do you do any worse a job without your product killing people? How is he improving his new business plan? He mastered the "create something and take money" part, sure. I suppose to really streamline the process he could eliminate the "create something" bit, and just whip up something that those stupid arcade fans will buy through Photoshop.
That would leave him more time to create a Santa Clausesque list of who is naughty and who is nice. The ones who are nice to him can, like, fail to get their stuff sooner. He should offer free shipping on the stuff he's not going to send out to really separate himself from the other vendors.
The hell are you sticking up for this clown, anyway?
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can someone clarify this for me.
you order a panel from slikstik.
they have difficulties and you dont get your panel, but they are still trading.
some guy leaves the company and decides to make good out of his own pocket on his ex employers backorders.
does that mean you can still try and get a refund from slikstik.
some random guy sending you something through the post should have no impact on the contract between the individual buyer and slikstik.
or is at all just BS, i cant decide :dunno
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can someone clarify this for me.
some guy leaves the company and decides to make good out of his own pocket on his ex employers backorders.
It seems fairly clear to me - officially he was an employee, but guess who is most likely legally liable... that's right, the same guy. Ex employee? Yeah... Right.... I think that's why he is being so "generous" right now and finally doing what he should have done before - deliver on something he collected money for. It appears to me that the guy finally wised up and woke up one day - crap! I'm going to court if I don't deliver what I promised to most of these people!
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WOW, What a thread...
Im not super active here anymore - sincce my cabnet is about finished (software is all thats left) and I only check out other peoples stuff and then show it off to my wife so I can beg her to let me build another one... :banghead:
Scott from Mameroom - WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!???? - Dude I bought my cabinet from you - Talked to you on the phone, through email - ect... ect.. You have been one of the best people that helped me with my cabinet.... You even sent me free wood pieces when my drill went haywire >:D (maybe that was me with the drill) anyways..... Dude You business its TOPS - I don't know where you stand Financially - or whatever - not do I or others care. (obviously its none of our business). While I respect your opinion about a subject and topic - and I think you have everyright to voice them - not everyone is going to agree with you (right or wrong) and that is going to hurt your business..... While I think that Posting as Owner of MAMEROOM make you look more creditable and gives your opinion more weight with those who understand the position you are taking, explaining, defending...ect... Those who don't like it are going to associate this issue, problem - with you and it MIGHT hurt you. I think you would have been better off posting your opinions/rants as just another user... Don't lay your business reputation on the line. IT's kind of hippocritical... You explain the purpose of the LLC and the difference in Personal from Business (LLC). You tell people to stop knocking Chris personally but to rant about slickstik as a company - yet you the OWNER OF MAMAEROOM are Personally coming out and voicing your opinions as SCOTT - not as MAMEROOM - but hide behind it. It's kind of the same thing as the posters here are doing. They are taking pop shots at Chris and not Slikstik - You are taking shots at the Posters as Scott not as MAMEROOM, yet you use it to let people know who you are.
Im no one special - but I am Kris and These are my opinions on the matter, I don't have a Moniker, LLC or anything else to make me more than just Kris. And while my opinions might not matter as I am still very much a NEWB when it comes to Arcade Cabs I do know something about business, Forums and communitys.
You say this Forum don't even account for 15% of overall sales for Slikstik. Well I spent $1400+ for my Slikstick last year - 15% of that is $210. Thats quite a bit of cash. Take 15% of the amount of memebers here who even spend $1.00 at slikstick and thats alot of cash - they would have been in trouble with cash alot earlier if not for communitys like this.
Forums are a double edge sword. They are communitys of people with similar interest all tring to help each other, but everyone still has a right and wrong way of doing something, how and where or who to buy from. Communitys like this can extend into the reputation of a business well beyond just the forum itself. Word of mouth is very popular, as well as those who are here and also run their own sites and hobbiest communitys that have simmilar interst or that cross paths with BYOAC. That 15% is probibly more like 25%. SLikstik exisist because of communitys like BYOAC.
It is also hard being a vendor and being on a forum or community like this. You take more heat than just a standard user for an issue or annoyance that a user might have. It can hurt you more in your pocket than in repuatation if you mess up. Where if someone like Zakk or Drewcarry tell someone something that don't work out for them - while it may hurt their reputation on the board for a little bit - it will blow over, where if a vendor is wrong - the users make sure the community never forgets and causes members to think twice.
I did not read this whole tread, I don't really have any clue what going on with skikstik and chris or anyone else associated with that business, I have an Idea from the past few pages - after I made my post and few pages before. From what I get - weather its a Guy on his own from Slikstik or slikstik as a company - things are not good. People are mad, people are getting screwed, waiting long periods of time (nothing new there) and are getting or having issues with products. Thats business...... When you are someone like Chris - who is a face of the LLC, people will attack him and not the LLC - he is(was) the LLC basicly and while on papaer and according to law are seperate entities, they are the same. If I dissagree with Microsoft - I have the right to blame Bill Gates, if i have a problem with apple, I have the right to attack Steve Jobs, if my mameroom arcade cabinet pieces come broken or missing, I have the right to blame you, If my slikstik is messsed up i have the right to blame chris or whoever - You get the idea. Some companies don't have Faces and thats a good thing - When a SOny product breaks - people blame Sony, when AOL sucks people blame time warner - not every company has a famous or single face associated with it - but in nitche areas of the hobby like this - people are as front and center as the name of the company they advertise.
I respect all your (Scott) opinions and I think you are right in some areas and not so in others - just as you probibly don't agree with some, all or anything I am saying here. I think it would have been better to just HELP THIS GUY OUT WITH HIS PROBLEM, talk about slikstik experiences and let the thread die or evolve past this....
My slikstik experince sucked too.... I didn't attack anyone personally - just said I spent alot of cash, got the wrong thing and waited forever and got no customer serive.. Thats my experience - I did nothing wrong.
Dude (not scott) I will say it again, your control pannel is nice - Fix the corner if you can - the people here are tops - everyone here is good at this hobby and they all know what they are talking about.
Slikstik - I hope they don't go away - Even though they are slow, sometimes stupid and expensive - they provide a service that is really helpful to newb or lazy hobbiest, and their products are really top notch. I got the wrong layout and I settles for it - I could have gone one and got it fixed - but one year later - I am happy with it. Next time (and scott I will be coming back to you) once I convince my wife to let me, I will attempt my own CP (though i think I will still have the Blank made for me - im not good at woodcraft).
Back to Scott from Mameroom..... maybe you should consider tring to replace slikstik (instead of buying them). Your cabinets rock and i don't know if your control panel blanks are from you or outsourced (from slikstik) - but im sure you have the capability to do them (just as good if not better) - after buying a cabinet from you (UACII)- and getting the support you gave me - I would buy a control panel blank or even a fullly working panel from you anytime - Im sure it would come out better than slikstik and be alot faster.
PS: I live down the block from Dreamauthentics - I'm gonna try to take a tour of there and let you all know how it works there.
PPS: hey Scott you never added my cabinet to you rgallery - I submitted months ago! :soapbox:
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I wish Scott'd tell us the name of Christian's new company so we can get the word out now. Seriously, defending a guy who lies to his customers about the status of their orders for months, and deep problems with this community for years? Doesn't make me think much of you as a vendor, either.
I've never been a SlikStik customer, (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=54600.msg537406#msg537406) because of that and I built my own arcade controls.
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I only want to see people get their merchandise.
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As we all do....
When you say 15% of business comes from the BYOAC forums and inferring that is really not a lot, don't forget there are many lurkers (Like me) who do not post much here but have a hand in other forums and sites....
So 15% from BYOAC+ the knockon effect is I think gonna be quite a bit more.....
As for the personnal attacks on Christian all I will say is, If you choose to be the "Public" face of the company and put yourself in the firing line, then expect to get shot at.....
I worked as an engineer for a gas company.....I was the person who was the public face....Now if the job I done was OK said company would get a good name and as you well know word of mouth is king....
However if the customer had a bad expeience with said company say the billing side and I show up, Me being the public face caught their full blown anger to the extent of having a knife pulled on me once and a shotgun shoved in my face......
So if you are the public face of a company that constantly pisses people off you are gonna get it in the neck and you should expect it.....*Especially* when you have *personally* told people a bunch of fairy tales
As for not fulfilling the orders of the people who have slagged him off....Sheesh...How old is he ?
I will continue to advise people not to touch SlikStik with a barge pole.....
This is a small community and shite sticks......Look at Foley.....*Spits*
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I did not mean to make light of the 15% coming from this forum...that is a significant amount. My point is that 15% is not enough to keep someone from starting a new business...thus, he will suceed in starting a new business regardless of what happens in here.
I also am not hiding behind my company's reputation. Although this is me (Scott) voicing my opinions, and often mention my company Mameroom...it really is one and the same. I know all to well that this forum will attach my company to me and this thread the instant things start to go sour. That being said, what does everyone think my motive is? Why would I put my company name on the line to post in here?
One could say that I am risking my reputation (company rep) to stick up for Chris...one could also say that I am putting myself at risk trying to keep the peace so customers still get what they paid for...
Both are true. I have several customers from this board/thread that have contacted me because they cannot get a refund from their cc company and have not heard anything from SlikStik. I am sticking my own neck out here to say that there is a chance for them. It's the MANY members here that either RECEIVED their merchandise, or NEVER purchased anything from SlikStik chiming in or leading a tirade that will ruin it for these people. And I think that is selfish....those people are the ones that have NO RIGHT to take the soap box. Those people are the ones that need something to gripe about, regardless of what it is. I think it is wrong.
There is a chance for everyone to get what they paid for...and because a few loose cannons (Yes, I am refering to the members that aren't even SS customers) need to be heard over and over and over and over and over and over...what exactly is YOUR motive? You are screwing these people just as much as SS, whether you know it or not...and YES, I do have information and a reason for telling people to "relax" for a little while...but we all know that's not going to happen...
It's apparant that me getting in the middle here just has no merit. I tried, but it's not worth it to me to see my company shed in a negative light when trying to get them their products. I really just wanted to do what I could to see everyone get something out of this mess.
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I think Comp1Demon has the best comments in this thread recently.
It's the MANY members here that either RECEIVED their merchandise, or NEVER purchased anything from SlikStik chiming in or leading a tirade that will ruin it for these people.
There is a chance for everyone to get what they paid for...and because a few loose cannons (Yes, I am refering to the members that aren't even SS customers) need to be heard over and over and over and over and over and over...what exactly is YOUR motive? You are screwing these people just as much as SS, whether you know it or not...and YES, I do have information and a reason for telling people to "relax" for a little while...but we all know that's not going to happen...
Well - I guess the above would be me - never purchased anything from SS and chiming in.
First off - what we post here will not ruin it for the people waiting on panels. If Chris makes right and gets SS back in shape and honors his obligations or does so with his own new company that's fine. If he doesn't do so - it won't be b/c of a few comments on these boards. (Now if you mean that by posting here he might lose new orders which means he won't have funding to complete the existing orders, that could be, but he shouldn't have gotten into that business model to start with.)
I see your point, but don't really want to argue it further here.
As for my motives - I have been around long enough to see some of the personal attacks on other vendors by SS and the people complaining about not receiving products, shoddy wormanship, etc. (Going back to an initial review of a panel with wires disconnected/damage in shipping, when the only real competitors were HotRod, X-Arcade (I think they were already around), SlickStick and a company that is gone called Stick-It). I, like you, hope that Xtian makes right and turns his ship around and starts delivering on his promises - but unlike you, I'm not holding my breath. And I am adding my post in the thread, b/c newbs will read this and think:
Customer A got ripped off
Customer B got their product
Customer C did not get their product but wants to give SS a second chance
Poster X and Y says SS has had plenty of chances and has not changed their ways yet.
Poster Z is a vendor and says he thinks SS will turn this around.
And I am just adding my voice to the Poster X and Y comments to give them more weight (I don't think adding a poll - give them a 2nd chance/ don't give them a 2nd chance is a good solution).
...so I will stop posting on this matter for awhile as It's apparant that me getting in the middle here just has no merit. I really just wanted to do what I could to see everyone get something out of this mess.
I realize you may want to respond to my comments, but I think the above is your best course of action.
As I understand it, you are both a supplier and a competitor of SlickStik's.
He will continue to receive business from Mameroom (and others as I don't want to call them out if they don't want the attention that I have now focused on my company).
We can create Slikstik style panels, our current style panels, and we will even begin manufacturing completely custom panels.
If Xtian is successful with his new company, you will hopefully still be a supplier to him but will have new competition for your own products, but everyone will be better, and while I am highly skeptical, this is what I would like to see happen as well. If Xtian is unsuccessful in his new business (which I would guess, but that's beside the point), you will have lost one of your customers but will be able to garner new customers from people who would have previously purchased from Xtian. However - if his current SS and/or new business ends badly - you will undoubtedly lose a fair amount of sales from customers that remember your support of SS/Xtian and unfairly want to "tar you with the same brush".
Just my 2-cents, FWIW!!!!
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I did not mean to make light of the 15% coming from this forum...that is a significant amount. My point is that 15% is not enough to keep someone from starting a new business...thus, he will suceed in starting a new business regardless of what happens in here.
I hope he does and becomes successful...
But he will have to work bloody hard to shake the Slikstik Albatros that's around his neck....
One cockup and bam...Back to square one with a lot of "I told you so's" along the way....
It's apparant that me getting in the middle here just has no merit. I tried, but it's not worth it to me to see my company shed in a negative light when trying to get them their products. I really just wanted to do what I could to see everyone get something out of this mess.
Ever tried to break up a fight in real life ?
No matter how Noble your intentions you always end up getting dragged into it and a few punches come your way...
I have never ordered anything from SlikStik...But being as I advise people..If I failed to mention what is going on and they ordered from them and crap happened.....They are going to say "why didn't you warn me" and shite is gonna come my way.....
I have never personally slated Christian only SlikStik.....All I was saying if Christian puts himself in this position then he has got to expect some personal attacks, even though they really do not solve anything..
Anyway back to lurking....
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I did not mean to make light of the 15% coming from this forum...that is a significant amount. My point is that 15% is not enough to keep someone from starting a new business...thus, he will suceed in starting a new business regardless of what happens in here.
I also am not hiding behind my company's reputation. Although this is me (Scott) voicing my opinions, and often mention my company Mameroom...it really is one and the same. I know all to well that this forum will attach my company to me and this thread the instant things start to go sour. That being said, what does everyone think my motive is? Why would I put my company name on the line to post in here?
One could say that I am risking my reputation (company rep) to stick up for Chris...one could also say that I am putting myself at risk trying to keep the peace so customers still get what they paid for...
Both are true. I have several customers from this board/thread that have contacted me because they cannot get a refund from their cc company and have not heard anything from SlikStik. I am sticking my own neck out here to say that there is a chance for them. It's the MANY members here that either RECEIVED their merchandise, or NEVER purchased anything from SlikStik chiming in or leading a tirade that will ruin it for these people. And I think that is selfish....those people are the ones that have NO RIGHT to take the soap box. Those people are the ones that need something to gripe about, regardless of what it is. I think it is wrong.
There is a chance for everyone to get what they paid for...and because a few loose cannons (Yes, I am refering to the members that aren't even SS customers) need to be heard over and over and over and over and over and over...what exactly is YOUR motive? You are screwing these people just as much as SS, whether you know it or not...and YES, I do have information and a reason for telling people to "relax" for a little while...but we all know that's not going to happen...
It's apparant that me getting in the middle here just has no merit. I tried, but it's not worth it to me to see my company shed in a negative light when trying to get them their products. I really just wanted to do what I could to see everyone get something out of this mess.
Scott,
This community may only account for 15% of SS business...but the members here know many people outside the forums...How many sales did SS lose because people on this board told their friends to avoid SS? I currently have 3 people wanting me to build cabinets for them and though I have not personally dealt with SS or Christian, I will not buy parts from SS or any company Christian is associated with. Look through the forums, you can read all about Christian's exploits. I will only say that Christian needs to take a class in customer relations if he expects to succeed. You cannot constantly PO customers in a niche market such as this and expect to succeed.
I wish him the best. I hope he does make good on his promise. I know the people here will only believe it when it happens.
Just my 2 cents...
Xam
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I did not mean to make light of the 15% coming from this forum...that is a significant amount. My point is that 15% is not enough to keep someone from starting a new business...thus, he will suceed in starting a new business regardless of what happens in here.
I didn't realize you were a prophet. Could I trouble you for some lottery numbers?
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Language, rules, rules, rules... *sigh* Post modified. If you think I've mangled it feel free to fix it without the sexual references.
Both are true. I have several customers from this board/thread that have contacted me because they cannot get a refund from their cc company and have not heard anything from SlikStik. I am sticking my own neck out here to say that there is a chance for them. It's the MANY members here that either RECEIVED their merchandise, or NEVER purchased anything from SlikStik chiming in or leading a tirade that will ruin it for these people. And I think that is selfish....
So let's sum up.
Posting that Christian Stango from SlikStick is a thief, as well as condescending human garbage - bad.
Expressing that opinion when he has stolen from the arcade community - bad.
Expressing that opinion when he has condescended to his actual customers - bad.
Taking thousands of dollars from people and providing nothing in return - understandable.
Shipping things out only when the state attorney gets involved - defensible.
Being a petulant chunk of trash that is going to stop sending out orders (even though he wasn't sending anything out to begin with) because he's getting called out on his fourth grader's mentality of how business works - no problem here.
He deserves every bit of abuse he receives, and more. I will do everything possible to spread the word that this company, and whatever new venture he decides to put forth in order to screw over the community, is run by a no-character thief.
Those people are the ones that have NO RIGHT to take the soap box.
Agreed! And the gal in New Jersey taking everyone's info to go after this clownshoe has NO RIGHT to do this because she personally didn't attempt to buy anything from SlikStick! This is complete BS!
Furthermore, the cops and judges and prosecutors have NO RIGHT to bring people arrested for murder before 12 people who weren't even there and probably selected at random through a computer. It should be up to the murdered guy himself to get involved and get active. And even then, the murdered guy should shut up, because otherwise things might go really bad for him!
What are you, fricking five years old? People were calm when they were actually getting their stuff. As soon as they weren't, everyone started to casually wonder what was up. Nobody's been given more time and patience than Slikstick.
Those people are the ones that need something to gripe about, regardless of what it is. I think it is wrong.
I think it's wrong to steal from people, lie to them and then pretend like you were totally going to send stuff out and make right, except for those nasty internet trolls. I know the law is the last resort for suckers, but I'm pretty sure mail fraud is a crime and browsacking thieves on the Internet through forum posts isn't.
There is a chance for everyone to get what they paid for...
Hahahah! Yeah! There is a great chance! If only we'd all shut up! He did such a great job moving product before he got called out, after all. Edit by saint, sexual reference removed
and because a few loose cannons (Yes, I am referring to the members that aren't even SS customers)
For the record, this will ultimately include everyone, because no sane person would ever order from him again.
need to be heard over and over and over and over and over and over...what exactly is YOUR motive?
To stop people from losing thousands of dollars when they are trying to get involved in their hobby, which is supposed to be relaxing and fun. There is my motivation. I've seen guys get crapped upon time and time again because they like old arcade games and it makes me sick to death. Those worthless a-holes from the King of Kong stick a camera in front of Mark Alpiger - a nice guy by anyone's standards - and then try to make him look like a freak by releasing a cut-up hatchet job on him. Ho, ho, ho, retro gamers sure are a bunch of dumb rubes. I'm a little sick of seeing one guy after another attempt to shove his junk in our collective faces, and as far as I am concerned the least I can do is call out the pieces of crap trying to take advantage of everyone.
You are screwing these people just as much as SS, whether you know it or not...and YES, I do have information and a reason for telling people to "relax" for a little while...but we all know that's not going to happen...
Of course not. Maybe for your next business venture you can get in tight with Ken Lay, Matt Millen and the Axeman of New Orleans. I'm hoping for a train wreck so massive it takes out the moon. Don't disappoint!
You're not a bad guy. Can't you see Stango is using you? I would never boycott your stuff or tell anyone else to, because you at least have a human soul and are trying to do the right thing. Cut this guy loose, he's just trying to slather his snake oil and taint all over you.
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I purchased a Classic Unit from SlikStik, albet it was 4 years ago... It arrived sooner than expected, came with free pinball buttons and they even sent me a free trackball light after the panel arrived because they were having a sale and I bought before then...
When I recieved the panel, the Ipac was hooked up backwards, but I was given a personal cell number, and they helped me get it right...
The quality of these panels are unmatched (knock on wood) I haven't had a single problem in 4 years!
I hope that Slikstik can work out it's problems, because they really do (did) produce a high quality product!
Just my two cents on how the company USED to be, and hopefully will be again...
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I am not a customer of SlikStik, nor will I ever be, but I really can't believe these posts from Mameroom/Scott somehow transferring responsibility from Christian/Slikstik to people here on BYOAC. These statements and accusations are completely stunning to me. I can't believe that anybody would have the gall to come bere and make repeated statements not just implying but literally stating as fact that people getting ripped off by a company have only vocal BYOAC members to blame.
if you are not a customer, then you are hurting everyone else's chances.
the only thing people of this forum are doing, is limiting the chance for Chris to make good on what he offered, and really screwing people that Chris is trying to make good with.
people will lose if it keeps going in this direction...Unfortuantely for the people attacking Chris personally...it won't be Chris that looses.
By slamming Chris, you will be depriving many of what it is that everyone is seeking in here.
There is one and only ONE thing left that can happen as a result of a continued tirade...people will lose
...if it continues, it will be business as usual for Chris, but people may not get their panels.
The question is whether or not people in here will get their panels in the process. The continuing flamewar will ensure that they do not.
It's the MANY members here that either RECEIVED their merchandise, or NEVER purchased anything from SlikStik chiming in or leading a tirade that will ruin it for these people.
You are screwing these people just as much as SS
Christian will either do the right thing, or he won't. If he chooses to NOT do the right thing and to somehow claim that it's this thread's fault is ridiculous. And for you to come in here and repeatedly blame vocal members of this community for somebody ELSE'S fraudulent behavior is extremely disturbing.
It's inevitable that there are going to be some purchasers who don't get complete customer satisfaction and, frankly, it makes me sick to my stomach that you would blame posters in this thread for that.
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When I recieved the panel, the Ipac was hooked up backwards...
The quality of these panels are unmatched ...
The two statements above don't jive with me? ???
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Wait a minute...I think people are misinterpreting my posts. I in no way "Blame" anyone here. They RIGHTFULLY posted their grievences.
I want to be clear on this. I AM IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM telling people they are wrong in posting about their experience with slikstik...either directly or indirectly. I merely wanted to convey that it's the people that never even purchased anything from SS that read what others are going through and talk trash about something they don't have the personal experience to back what they are saying.
If it sounded like I was trying to put a few fires out (walk on a some eggshells for awhile for the greater good) so people can at least get their stuff, then yes...I'm guilty.
If I didn't care about customers getting their stuff...I wouldn't be here, obviously risking my name to do so. Mameroom has nothing to do with any of this and won't be affected one way or the other if Chris decides to fullfill orders out of his own pocket or not...again, I'm only doing what I personally feel will make this situation right for the people still waiting for their products.
I know the idea of letting things be for awhile is hard to fathom...but it almost appears like some people in here really don't want customers to get their panels from Chris, just so they can prove their points about Chris...THAT is what I think is wrong....but again, it's not worth stepping in the middle of this, just thought I'd try to find a resolve.
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When I recieved the panel, the Ipac was hooked up backwards...
The quality of these panels are unmatched ...
The two statements above don't jive with me? ???
I read it that the physical construction of the panel itself was good. :dunno
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but it almost appears like some people in here really don't want customers to get their panels from Chris, just so they can prove their points about Chris...THAT is what I think is wrong.
I think that is exactly the part that people have a problem with -- you *are* saying that people who post here, but who haven't be burned by SlikStik, are going to cost the others their stuff, so you apparently *are* blaming (and ascribing nefarious motives to) folks like me who have been very vocal because, somehow, our opinions are going to cause Christian to not make things right.
I tried to take this out of the thread last night because I really don't understand the "you guys [who haven't been burned] should stop saying [nasty] stuff, even if it is true, or Christian won't make nice" aspect of this and wanted to understand instead of continuing to bash the ball around in this thread.
After all, if Christian is actually going to let my expression of my personal opinions stand between him and making things right with people who are completely unrelated to me, then are those opinions really that far off the mark ?
:dunno
[EDIT]: To correct my questionable characterization of Scott's position.
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After all, if Christian is actually going to let my expression of my personal opinions stand between him and making things right with people who are completely unrelated to me, then are those opinions really that far off the mark ?
I just like the visual that he is apparently dragging himself out of bed at two in the afternoon, firing up a browser, coming over to this thread and then jotting down hashmarks in a "Don't Work Today" column versus "Actually Build Stuff" column. Then telling poor Scott, after adding up both columns, that there will be no control panels built today.
A buddy of mine used to be a substitute teacher and he wouldn't know if he was working in a given day until five in the morning, when the auto-ringer would dial and he could then pick up and register himself to take a class for a teacher that called in sick. I guess it's sort of the same way with SlikStick. They were probably crapping their pants when M37R01D came out in support for a few posts in a row, scrambling to find trackballs and microswitches, only to shove what they were working on off the table and into the circular file when a few other guys posted and went the other way with some justified negativity.
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I think this thread has probably run its course, but it shouldn't be swept under the rug so a new one starts up whenever Christian's new company starts to not fulfill orders. Lock and sticky, maybe?
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Wait a minute...I think people are misinterpreting my posts. I in no way "Blame" anyone here. They RIGHTFULLY posted their grievences.
I want to be clear on this. I AM IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM telling people they are wrong in posting about their experience with slikstik...either directly or indirectly. I merely wanted to convey that it's the people that never even purchased anything from SS that read what others are going through and talk trash about something they don't have the personal experience to back what they are saying.
If it sounded like I was trying to put a few fires out (walk on a some eggshells for awhile for the greater good) so people can at least get their stuff, then yes...I'm guilty.
If I didn't care about customers getting their stuff...I wouldn't be here, obviously risking my name to do so. Mameroom has nothing to do with any of this and won't be affected one way or the other if Chris decides to fullfill orders out of his own pocket or not...again, I'm only doing what I personally feel will make this situation right for the people still waiting for their products.
I know the idea of letting things be for awhile is hard to fathom...but it almost appears like some people in here really don't want customers to get their panels from Chris, just so they can prove their points about Chris...THAT is what I think is wrong....but again, it's not worth stepping in the middle of this, just thought I'd try to find a resolve.
Scott no matter how you put it, these people wont understand. If you voice your opinion or give strait facts, they dont care. As you said, they just want to be right, and cant accept the fact that they could be wrong.
As Scott said, to make it worse, Chris is doing things out of his own pocket right now, DOES HE HAVE TO? NO, NOT AT ALL. Could he say you know what, f*ck these ppl. He sure can!!! After reading all this crap, he deff has sucked up a lot more then any of you ppl can, to continue pushing out SS orders (NOT CHRIS ORDERS).
The only people who have complained the past week are people who are not waiting on an order. Seems like everyone waiting on something has been in contact with him and is getting on the right track. Some people here still cant accept that.
And to the people that got your panels, got any feedback? All you have said is you got it, well, what do you think, whats your reaction?
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Chris is doing things out of his own pocket right now, DOES HE HAVE TO? NO, NOT AT ALL.
Ummm, the money went into his pocket, now it should come out.
Could he say you know what, f*ck these ppl. He sure can!!!
Sure, he can - but the attorney general might have something to say about that...
After reading all this crap, he deff has sucked up a lot more then any of you ppl can, to continue pushing out SS orders (NOT CHRIS ORDERS).
Ermmm... Chris = Slikstik, I think you're missing the point. Yes, LLC, but still, Chris = Slikstik.
The only people who have complained the past week are people who are not waiting on an order. Seems like everyone waiting on something has been in contact with him and is getting on the right track. Some people here still cant accept that.
I hope that he does make good on all his back orders. Hopefully he is also fixing those Ebay auctions where Slikstik took payment and never sent the product either.
And to the people that got your panels, got any feedback? All you have said is you got it, well, what do you think, whats your reaction?
Definitely - let's hear what you got!
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I'm sure the ebay auctions were disputed, and paypal refunded them, so I wouldnt even worry about that LOL
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I'm sure the ebay auctions were disputed, and paypal refunded them, so I wouldnt even worry about that LOL
You sure about that?
From Paypal: All claims must be filed within 45 days of the transaction or the claim will be denied
Here's one:
prchsed 7/23 still no item. no rspnse frm email or phn the lst 3 wks. DON'T BUY - that was left on Oct 16th. Notice how he says the last 3 weeks. Looks like a case of the usual smooth talking excuses to get outside the claim window. Subtraction tells me the guy is SOL per paypal policy. LOL (by Christian)...
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Amazing...... :soapbox:
CUSTOMERS WAITING are anxious and annoyed and snapping at everyone.
PAST CUSTOMERS are just cursing Christian/SS as always.
SCOTT FOR MAMEROOM has gotten alot of people in an uproar over his comments and is tring to dig himself out of his grave.
OTHER BOARD MEMEBERS are picking on CUSTOMERS WAITING ON A SS and VIce Versa.
ZAKK is tring to tell everyone to STFU. - He has the right idea - as ususal.
WOW - It amazes me how much contoversy Christian can cause on a message board. - and he is not even posting, probibly just reading.
We are all out of control here.....
I know we all want to slam SS, Chrisian, Whatever/Whoever.
We all have bi polar opinions about customers waiting on a SS - Some tell these people that they are living in a dream, others are giving them reassurance. It's like a reality show - some want these people to get Fu*Ked over others want to seem them get what they paid for or cash back.
This whole flame war and rant and raves (including my own) is all caused by a fact that everyone at BYOC knows - SlikStick - makes a good product - but Slikstik as a company(llc) or christian (as the face of the company) has and always has had bad customer service, delays, and he himself has gone on tirades here at BYOAC.
I think EVERYONE - including myself, should just back off....... IF you are a Customer waiting - keep us informed on what is going on. If you got your CP, tell us how it is (craftsmanship, does it work?, you get the idea). IF your a customer that is tring to get cash back - let us know how it is working out. IF your a Customer stuck in lymbo and have no idea whats going on - keep us informed here and there on what you are tring to do to get out of Lymbo. Who you called, who you spoke to, whats going on with your order - ect, ect....
I think everyone here has said about enough about Slikstik and Christian - its just the same stuff being said over and over....
I think we have had enough of Camp A with one position about SS and Camp B having another position. We know what the Two sides/opinions are - no need to keep posting them.
I feel like im in a bad movie here...... Everoyne is jumping down everyone elses throat...
UGH 6am - whats next ...... I'll be back later today...
Night/morning all
Lets play nice if we can.....
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When I recieved the panel, the Ipac was hooked up backwards...
The quality of these panels are unmatched ...
The two statements above don't jive with me? ???
I read it that the physical construction of the panel itself was good. :dunno
Yes - I got that ...
The point I was making was that for what SS charges and for as long as it is taking people to get these panels, I wouldn't expect to have to re-wire the I-Pac when it finally arrives.
Not sure if this is the correct thread for this - probably not - but ...
I wouldn't speak out if SS wasn't charging so much or if it were an isolated incident.
I read a review thread from probably 5-8 years ago where a panel arrived with a corner damaged in shipment (poor packaging), and one of the wires had come loose. The wire coming loose I could understand, but you would expect a review item to be packaged to make the shipment safely.
The review praised the product, but gave the impression that it was made in someone's garage from the packaging - which given later info might not be that inaccurate.
I'm not saying all their products had these problems.
Their were personal issues between Xtian and another member of the Emulation community - not a BYOAC member (which I won't disclose here).
There are the posts in any of RandyT's product annoncements with "Where's Xtian crapping on this thread?" (b/c you just knew it was coming ...)
There is a panel earlier in this thread with the overlay lifting up in one of the corners.
Again - I hope everyone gets what they ordered and the quality is better than expected, but I think we've all seen the pattern here many times over ...
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M37R01D, let us know when you get the package from SS. I think most people believe you and want you to get it. They also have heard many times from people that someone at SS told them something was shipping on a given day, only to find that it never shipped.
I think the expectation is that you are being told, again, that it is going to ship soon and that pacifies you.
The only time I ordered from SS was a couple of years ago and that was only the illuminated joys not a CP. My experience was atypical though as I received the joys pretty quickly.
TH: I concur. Having to re-wire something that just arrived isn't a good thing. I'm still trying to figure out how the I-Pac was backwards.... It was physically facing the wrong direction? P1 was wired to P2? It was socially inept? ;D
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/me genuinely wants everybody to get their stuff
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TH: I concur. Having to re-wire something that just arrived isn't a good thing. I'm still trying to figure out how the I-Pac was backwards.... It was physically facing the wrong direction? P1 was wired to P2? It was socially inept? ;D
I was guessing he meant it was wired incorrectly.
One thing I could think of was they may have used a Mini-Pac board and reversed the IDE cable harness. That would be an easy mistake to make, although still ...
(And from personal experience, I have removed terminals from the P1 B1 switch on my CP (using a prototype GGG KeyWiz) and had to re-insert the wire into the P1B1 terminal on the board before the switch would work again, even though it worked before I disconnected the button and I didn't mess with that terminal.) My point being that these simple panels aren't always as simple as they appear.
And I may as well re-iterate - I also genuinely hopes everyone gets their stuff and that it exceeds all their expectations - I've just seen too many people burned too many times to expect that.
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As for mameroom....saying that people better shut the 'eff up or he'll just run off with money he's already received....are you speaking FOR him, or are you saying that's what YOU would do in his position? I'm interested in your honest answer to that. I mean, it's one or the other...correct?
...Talk about a loaded question! I mean come on, people are "griping" about punctuation in here, which supports a comment I made earler.
...and you want me to go on record regarding my thoughts about a business matter? Please don't think I'm being rude...but "No Comment".
...my words can be misinterpreted, twisted around, and even thrown right back in my face...but my presence here (in this thread) is for one reason and ONE REASON only...to help people get their panels. I have nothing else to gain either personally or for my business.
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Scott,
I fully understand your intentions for getting involved to the level you have, and it is really cool of you. I also don't have a problem with you telling people to STFU, to be honest.
The one thing that bugs me is that you have been forced into being the mouthpiece of Christian. If he wants to "make good" with the community, and start a new company then he needs to get his lazy ass over here and say that himself. By you delivering his messages and such you become the focal point, or at least part of it, of any new delay, mistake, etc.
From appearances, it really does look like you are being used.
While alot of the comments made by 3rd parties are off-topic, stupid, and inflammatory for no reason (I'm probably guilty on more than one count) - some of us "non-invested parites" are only here for the same reason you are. We don't want to see folks get taken and don't want newer folks to give even more money to a bad company. You have to remember, every time slik stik is mentioned in this thread, it will become a search hit for people who might STILL be looking into buying from slikstik (their store is still active I might add). We have people that have come on here and say they haven't received product for months, but it is okay because a guy told them he would get on it, even though that number is now disconnected. These people are asking for input, and they are resoundingly told by non-invested folk to RUN to their banks and file a claim.
And just one quick comment, since you talk with Christian on a regular basis, and he is on a redemptive crusade of honesty and justice, has he by any chance told you exactly how many of these outstanding orders there are? A simple question, and a simple answer since he apparently knows who they are and what they ordered. Just curious.
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Also the name of his 'new' company would be appreciated :)
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I wonder, too, why the SlikStik site is still up, accepting orders of any kind. A close friend of mine mentioned in passing the other evening that he was looking to buy some joy handles from SS. (He purchased a CP from them a few years back- 5-1/2 months and many mistakes which I ended up helping him correct.) He had no idea SS was having issues so the problem was avoided. How many other orders like these are being sent to SS that they have no intention of honoring?
Threads like these are necessary for those people who take the time to do a simple google search before ordering. Not everyone does that, so I again question why their website is still up, beyond the obvious answer of obtaining free money from unwary consumers.
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You know what, shardian makes a good point and since I don't think that a knock-down-drag-out-full-on-thread would be productive, perhaps Christian or someone from SlikStik could create, and immediately lock, a thread indicating what is actually going on (or maybe saint could post it somewhere else).
Everybody has heard a lot of different things ... in this thread alone (and ignoring the skeptics like me):
- Christian was only an employee of SlikStik
- Christian is no longer with SlikStik
- Christian is fulfilling SlikStik orders out of his own pocket
- SlikStik is sending orders out
- Orders have been fulfilled by MAMERoom, but appear to have been shipped from SlikStik
- SlikStik is still around
- SlikStik is still running auctions
- SlikStik is still accepting orders for parts on their website
As it stands, we have some uninvested old-timers who have "seen this before" saying the same old stuff, with some invested new folks saying stuff and an invested (to some degree, degree not known) vendor saying stuff.
Everything else aside, some degree of clarification would go a loooong way in this case.
I don't think that hearing about Christian's new venture is all that important.
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Look guys, M37R01D just wants his panel and is being hopeful that it's going to happen. There's a lot of history here, and let's face fact--it ain't all good.
I, for one, am waiting. I, too, was promised a panel to be delivered to me in the coming week, so I'll wait and see if it's delivered. We can all sit and argue that it will and/or won't be delivered, and it gets us nowhere. It's disappointing for me to see people attacking those who simply want to believe they are getting their product.
I hope that M37R01D won't get banned. I feel that it's unnecessary, and many of his confrontations on here were the result of personal attacks and/or insults. (Correcting someone's punctuation and/or spelling is, IMHO, the lowest of the low attacks, and is totally irrelevant to the issues here) Keep in mind that he (like me) already feels like he's 99% on his way to being "idiot of the year" for being (supposedly) taken. Anyone in this position is going to be quite a bit defensive.
As for Mameroom and the other guys posting here in SS/Christian's defense, they have a right to their opinion, and perhaps there are things they know that we don't. I have no doubt that Christian is trying to make amends by paying those who supply him goods as well as getting panels to those who have screamed the loudest. To be fair, this is what any of us would do in the same situation. I also think he's at least a sharp enough guy to know that it can't simply end there... if he wants to turn this thing around, he'll have to keep the ball rolling and make amends with everyone that SS has offended... not just a chosen few.
As for me, I'm sitting on the fence and have been since he promised to deliver my panel to me recently. I've waited for 7 months, so I can wait a few more weeks and hold back my judgement until then. Without a doubt this will solidify me one way or the other. If my panel doesn't arrive, then I'll know what the focus of my free time will be until I get satisfaction in one way or another. If, however, my panel is delivered and he continues to try to make amends with others, then I'll stop interfering with his attempts to do so, and I'll also throw in the truth--how he handled this situation, the condition of my panel, etc. Hopefully this will help him.
Anyway, all I ask of everyone is to try and be patient with those of us who are personally and financially involved in this fiasco. It's not easy. We want to believe one thing, yet there's an overwhelming history pointing in the other direction. We know that. Believe me--we know it. But for now, give us a chance to see if we can get our panels.
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I was right there with you until the end CheffoJeffo... I was seriously considering buying from SS. I have never built a cab and the process is daunting. I just didn't have the cash for it. It looks though that if I did I *might* get my CP, but I could also be talking to the NJ AG. Christian has been the mouthpiece of this company (both for good and bad) and if he starts up a company I think it would behoove us all to know what that company is. If say Mameroom messes up one order and it's delayed by a month, no biggy, all the other customers make up for that one deficiency. If Christians new company misses one order than I would think it's Slick Stick V 2.0. Just my noob 2 cents.
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Am I the only one that can't believe people pay $1500 for a CONTROL PANEL! :dizzy:
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Am I the only one that can't believe people pay $1500 for a CONTROL PANEL! :dizzy:
No, you're not ...
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Actually, I think the price I paid for my quad control panel (which is roughly $1000 of the price and included the illuminated trackball, illuminated joysticks, lightning overlay, flight stick, spinner, etc.) was reasonable. The parts alone would be $500, then you have the labor and time of assembling it, etc. If anything, the price of the cab was a bit high since it's simply laminated wood with cam locks. However, it's one of the sturdiest pieces of cam-locking furniture I've ever seen.
I guess it's the same with many things. Why pay $5.00 for a box of fruit loops when you can buy "loopy loops" (or any generic brand) for $1.25? Why would anyone pay $500,000 for any exotic car when you can buy a corvette Z06 that's likely faster for $70,000? Why pay for a hooker... oh, nevermind. >:D
Seriously, though, for some of us it's a trade-off that makes sense. I just don't have the free time that I used to have to tinker around, so that additional $500 is worth it to me to spend those hours playing my games instead of making and troubleshooting my own panel.
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Ah I see it now. I didn't think it would be that far back... November! Man this has been going on a long time. Truthfully even if I saw it, I'm not sure I would get it. Ricers... Back when I used to ride, ricers were the sport bikes... I wouldn't let that pic get to you... People used to make fun of Japanese bikes because they weren't tough looking. Didn't matter that the bike was half the price and could dance circles around their own chrome laden ones.
November though... Krikey that's a long time... I really hope you get your panel... cause that's too long of a delay for me. If you eventually get your panel, would you tell a friend to get one from Christian (either with SS or his new company)?
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OK - didn't go all the way back but tried to clean up the last few days.
This thread is being kept open so people can discuss the situation -- please keep it calm. My poor little fingers are sore from all the typing. I'd appreciate it if people killed the profanity (even the altered/misspelled profanity) and name calling.
Thanks!
--- saint
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You can scroll back and see I was one of the people that ordered from SS. I got my money back and then ordered from Scott at Mameroom.
I got my CP from him, it came when he said it would, a little earlier actually... and yes it came from NJ.
It works and looks great, yes I could have or should have built my own, but I really didn't feel I wanted to go that route.
I guess my point is that Scott has always answered my questions and phone calls, even at night, and has always delivered on what he has said. I feel that his dealings with Chistian are in trying to make the best of a bad situation at SS and move forward.
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I'm just wondering if this thread should be killed. It's a little tired now.
Hey I feel for you if you lost money, but maybe the facts could just be perma-stickied in a 'warning' thread and left at that - something that could be used in case of a future scam by other companies.
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I think it makes perfect sense to leave it open as there are several people monitoring this thread to see if the outstanding panels are finally delivered as Christian promised.
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PPS: hey Scott you never added my cabinet to you rgallery - I submitted months ago!
Must have somehow missed that...very awesome cab! I updated our gallery.
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Just an Update
I recieved tracking today and UPS shows its in route and scheduled to arrive Thursday.
I'll keep you guys updated
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I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. I was promised that my panel would ship by Friday, so I'll post any news on my end, as well.
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Just an Update
I recieved tracking today and UPS shows its in route and scheduled to arrive Thursday.
I'll keep you guys updated
Take this for what it's worth: I hope it's everything you've been waiting for.
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I, too, have recieved tracking info and the panel is expected to arrive on Wednesday. I will post more after it arrives.
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I have stayed quiet too long on this issue. Mostly because of all the bad blood flying around. However looking over the last few days I couldn't stay quiet any longer. :angry:
:soapbox: First of all Saint shouldn't have had to clean up your messes. This is a family friendly site and you should keep that in mind when posting here. Second I feel for those of you who have lost money or know someone who has I feel your pain. I have been sold a bill of goods and got taken for a ride myself. If you feel that you need to try and prevent someone else from suffering the same fate as yourself then please do so in a clean and kindly manner. Thirdly those of you who are waiting for shipments to arrive I hope that you receive what you were promised. I see that one panel has been delivered. I am not in a position to make any comment on whether Christian is just doing damage control with being faced with legal action or is making an honest attempt to right a sinking ship. :end soapbox:
Keep it clean folks,
Kaytrim
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Take this for what it's worth: I hope it's everything you've been waiting for.
Thanks, I appreciate it. I just can't wait to throw it in the cabinet :)
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Thanks, I appreciate it. I just can't wait to throw it in the cabinet :)
You mean carefully attach it to the cabinet. After the money spent and time waiting, treat that CP better than your girlfriend. ;)
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:soapbox: First of all Saint shouldn't have had to clean up your messes. This is a family friendly site and you should keep that in mind when posting here.
I'd like to see what he had to clean up, it must've gotten dirty after my deleted post. Can only mods go to the Post Hell forum, or what?
Also, I'll say again (and agree with samshaw) that this thread has pretty much run its course.
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I tend to think this post is *running* its course. It all began with someone wondering if anyone had heard from SS, and it's led to several people being in the same boat all congregating into one place. We've all been through a bunch of hoo-ha to get to this point, and I think we should at least wait and see if there's any closure.
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this thread has pretty much run its course.
Not on your life.
This thread is still live as ever.
This thread will continue RUNNING its course, until, and ONLY until, one of these 3 outcomes eventuates :
** SlikStik provide full refunds to everyone off whom they've taken money.
** SlikStik clear out their year-long backlog of orders, by completing and shipping all products for which payment has already been taken.
... let's hope one of the above "preferred" outcomes will eventuate. However, if this FAILS to happen, then the last resort must be :
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** The SlikStik founders (Christian, etc.), being the individuals hiding behind the farcical LLC "no liability" business structure, are metered appropriate penalties by the legal and justice system. Whether those penalties be criminal or civil, is up to the those conducting the investigation (Attorneys General).
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I am also confused by Kaytrims outrage? Unless calling someone a SUCKER has somehow become vulgar, I think Kay has been smoking something...
...and I want some!
Good luck M37R01D...I really do hope you get your CP...and I certainly hope you won't recommend SS to anyone in the future.
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The only people who have complained the past week are people who are not waiting on an order.
There was no need to complain. I'll have my day in court.
Onyx
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I am also confused by Kaytrims outrage? Unless calling someone a SUCKER has somehow become vulgar, I think Kay has been smoking something...
...and I want some!
I don't smoke FrizzleFried, I just explode. :blowup: ;) It irks me to no end when Saint has to go clean up some troll poop. :timebomb: I understand that some of the discussion has been quite heated but that is no reason to take a dump on this or any other web forum.
TTFN :cheers:
Kaytrim
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Magic, I sent you an email about the overlay corner. That is NOT "typical" as Fozzy wrote above.
Scott
www.mamemarquees.com
Scott.... I didn't say it was typical of your overlays. It is however very typical of poor fitting by Christian or whoever he has fitting them. I actually said "classic badly fitted peeling overlay that other people have reported"
There have been numerous reports on here of peeling overlays on their products. I have no doubt it's NOT due to the superb quality of your products.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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CheffoJeffo, I completely understand everyone's delema here...and in no way think that everyone should agree with what I have said or recommended.
Good!!! Glad to hear it....
Christian, has behaved appallingly on these forums insulting competitors and customers alike, whenever somebody says something he doesn't like. So don't expect him to get given a break now. As Cheffo said, He's only reaping what he's sown here.
As for him trying to make good.... I'll believe it when I actually see it. Right now I don't believe it. Simply because he's told so many lies to customers about the late and failed shipment of their products and the reasons for it, that it just doesn't add up.
So Christian is nothing to do with them any more??? Something isn't adding up here!!!! If he has nothing to do with them any more what the hell is he doing shipping panels from his own pocket (outside of the protection of the LLC) which could lay him open to further liability. And why, if he has nothing to do with the company are they coming out of the company address.... Unless of course he's aware of his huge existing liability and potential incarceration for the alleged frauds.
On top of which when somebody orders a panel from YOU the item gets shipped from the SICKSLICK address...... ????? I think it's time we started questioning YOUR motives.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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I'll lay it out straight so everyone knows the how and why.
Mameroom originally planned to step in and take over SlikStik. Due to the financial situation of SlikStik and lawsuit threats from people in this forum...that was a no go.
In learning that SlikStik LLC was the business entity having difficulties and not the manufacturer Christian, we worked it out that Mameroom Designs would purchase directly from the manufacturer instead of SlikStik. I know everyone in here associates Christian with SlikStik, but from a business standpoint, they are two seperate entities (again going back to the LLC part). Instead of Christian supplying components to SlikStik for assembly/sale...he is providing distributors these components.
So Mameroom is simply a distributor. It wouldn't take much to do a google search and see that we are not the only distributor of Christian's products, they just don't advertise where they come from. And just because their products are not the typical C02, Classic, or quad units, does not mean that they built the panels themselves...they are in fact built and manufactured by Christian, and always have.
As for why someone should order from Mameroom even if they come from Christian...In the event that the panels we offer are not available from the original manufacturer, Mameroom will manufacture them ourselves, thus the ability to "guarantee" to get a panel out. If not from him, from us.
...as far as my personal Motives, I think I've made them quite clear (at least mentioning them 3+ times should do it) but I will state them again. Regardless of what this forum says or thinks about Christian personally (rightfully so), he will continue to be a manufacturer, and companies like Mameroom (and the several others) will continue to distribute and manufacture his products, Even HappControls is a distributor of his products. So my point from the very start was....if Christian offered to make good on getting customer's products out, why would anyone want to sabotage that?
As for my posting in here...Yes, I know that Christian was on the fence about reaching into his own pocket to get peoples panels out and try to save a little face...Yes, I know that comments from people in this forum (who are not even customers) can and will prevent this from happening.
I felt compelled to let people know this information in efforts to get people their products. This may sound a little harse now...but after the amount of resistance my presence here has created...it's no longer worth the argument...so here it is: Mameroom Designs (Scott Glazer) does not benefit one single bit if people get their panels.
In fact, we would benefit if people DID NOT get their panels as they would be inclined to order one through us...that is NOT was we are about. While I DO care whether or not people get their panels...I do NOT care to continue this crusade, as I already know the outcome.
Take my suggestions for what they are worth.
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Christian, has behaved appallingly
...this may be true, but he's not the only one. Stooping to anyone's level just out of spite doesn't really seem professional or mature. Some of the comments in here have some solid truths behind them and some are just plain ignorant.
While I do not agree with anyone (Christian included) for treating customer badly (unless they truly are inconsoleable...as the customer is NOT always right)...as I put customer's concerns at the top of the list...I would like to comment on how Chris "strung" people along.
...in a business, as an employee or owner of a company, you cannot divulge to customers that the company may be in financial trouble as it would be certain death for the company and there would be no hope of turning it around. Before people think that I am condoning what has happened...all I mean by this is...if Chris told these customers that, "Hey, there is a chance that you may not get your panel...get your money back!" All of the funds would be sucked dry and the company would surely go bankrupt, without so much as a fighting chance to turn things around. I know it sucks, but it is the way business is conducted. Fortunately, Mameroom has never been in this situation...but that's how I see things from a business perspective.
As for Chris's personal behavior...well, I disagree with that and have told him so...but everyone has their boiling point.
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/me is glad people appear to be getting their stuff
/me reaches for the popcorn and is going to sit this round out
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In fact, we would benefit if people DID NOT get their panels as they would be inclined to order one through us...that is NOT was we are about.
You've spent a hell of a lot of time telling people to STFU in here. We're so sorry to hear that it's upsetting Christian (NOT).....
However as has been pointed out, this has NOTHING to do with whether people get the goods they ordered or not. He either makes good or he doesn't..... I know which one of those two my money is on after seeing his behaviour over the last four years.
Christian / SickSlick are separate! Do me a favour! They may legally be separate entities, but that does not mean that he avoids the liability for anything allegedly done illegally under the name of the company, LLC or not! If he did something illegally he's still personally liable for it. Which is exactly why he's panicing now and sending some of the high profile stuff out.
As for you! I've only heard good things about you and your business. I'm just astounded that you'd even think about risking your reputation and your company reputation in the way you have. If you had one ounce of common sense, then you'd be running in the other direction as fast as you could. Not backing up an alleged internet fraudster in a public forum.
To be blunt. It still doesn't add up...... You're either entirely gullible and being taken in by Stango's ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---, or you have something to seriously gain in business terms, if it's neither of those, then you really must be completely barking mad.
The only other alternative I can see is that we're actually reading Stango's typed words, voiced through your account identity :dunno. but that looks very likely right now.
Whichever it is Good Luck!! Because you're doing your company reputation no favours here.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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As for you! I've only heard good things about you and your business. I'm just astounded that you'd even think about risking your reputation and your company reputation in the way you have. If you had one ounce of common sense, then you'd be running in the other direction as fast as you could. Not backing up an alleged internet fraudster in a public forum.
To be blunt. It still doesn't add up......
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I totally agree - good points Foz.
Lets get something straight Mr. Mameroom... Christian doesn't "stoop" to anyones level, if anything - we stoop to his level.
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How does Stango providing product for Happ work? Happ orders a dozen panels, Stango takes the money, Happ asks where their products are, Stango blames Happ for not delivering any trackballs, Happ goes, "Frigging Happ!" and explodes in a ouroboros of non-logic.
Also, can I get the specific name of the person I am preventing from getting their panel? It would be like when Sally Struthers would give you a dossier on which starving kid in Africa your donations were helping. He could even send out updates - where the Christian Children's Fund would have the underprivileged, poor kid write you about his or her progress in math and the successfully delivery of the food packs, the underprivileged, poor control panel could write me about how all its strangely absent components means it has to do discrete math, and the unsuccessful delivery of any I-PACs.
Once a year there could be like a guest bulletin from the Star Wars yokes, too.
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As for you! I've only heard good things about you and your business. I'm just astounded that you'd even think about risking your reputation and your company reputation in the way you have. If you had one ounce of common sense, then you'd be running in the other direction as fast as you could. Not backing up an alleged internet fraudster in a public forum.
To be blunt. It still doesn't add up......
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I totally agree - good points Foz.
Lets get something straight Mr. Mameroom... Christian doesn't "stoop" to anyones level, if anything - we stoop to his level.
Thirded. He keeps coming back to this thread and keeps digging himself into a bigger hole.
Your panels come from SlikStik, you say? Why, I'll order a dozen, because I've always supported their work! :dizzy:
I hate to see it too, because his prices are actually reasonable enough that I'd consider doing business with him.
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From my perspective Christian and/or SS has done so much harm to their own reputations there is no coming back. It's "out of the box" so to speak. Good luck getting it back in.
For your own sake Scott...leave it be. If you aren't making a dime off this arrangement with Christian then do yourself a favor and let it go. Every time you post in here defending Christian or SS it makes you look bad. Real bad. Whereas some may understand what you are trying to do, many others will simply associate you with Christian and SS and their tarnished reputation will do nothing but bring you down too.
I am sure everyone who's been screwed by SS appreciates your efforts, but you need to take a step back and ask yourself..."is it worth it"?
From my perspective...it can't be.
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You've spent a hell of a lot of time telling people to STFU in here
I'm sorry...who the "hell" are you? And did I every say "STFU"? Nope...people like you have portrayed me as doing so
I know which one of those two my money is on
I'm sorry...looking through the old SS records when trying to acquire the company...I don't see you having ANY money vested...in anything!
Christian / SickSlick are separate! Do me a favour! They may legally be separate entities
Yes, you are right about something
but that does not mean that he avoids the liability for anything allegedly done illegally under the name of the company, LLC or not!
Yes, you are again right about something
If he did something illegally he's still personally liable for it.
..if....if...that truly is all you are hoping for. Chris is untouched by all of this UNLESS proven to have done something illegal...which goes back to my original intention of letting people know that they have a chance.
Which is exactly why he's panicing now and sending some of the high profile stuff out.
Can't speak for him or why he's reaching into his own pocket to do this.
As for you! I've only heard good things about you and your business.
Thank you
I'm just astounded that you'd even think about risking your reputation and your company reputation in the way you have. If you had one ounce of common sense, then you'd be running in the other direction as fast as you could. Not backing up an alleged internet fraudster in a public forum.
Much like you have come running to the aid of the innocent although you yourself have never purchased anything. I've done my research and you have more than once initiated a flame war in here...as far as I'm concerned, that says something about your credibility.
To be blunt. It still doesn't add up...... You're either entirely gullible and being taken in by Stango's ---smurf-poop---, or you have something to seriously gain in business terms
Yes, it's called profit. Mameroom is a business...as far as me speaking up in here about the ---smurf poop---, enough is enough...people have a chance to get their panels and people like you are ruining it and WILL ruin it for them. I think you are selfish and have YOUR own motives.
The only other alternative I can see is that we're actually reading Stango's typed words, voiced through your account identity . but that looks very likely right now.
No, Chris would probably love to meet you face to face...these are my words. I voiced my opinion in efforts to get people what they deserve...but this forum has it's own agenda...at least some of the people in here...twisted my words around to THEIR benefit...and in MY mind...have little to NO credibility on the entire subject....Let's let the people that actually have something to LOSE speak.
Whichever it is Good Luck!! Because you're doing your company reputation no favours here.
So I've noticed...I won't walk on eggshells for you or anyone else! If you do not want to order anything from me or my company because I am a passionate and vocal vendor...I understand. If you do purchase from us, you won't be dis sappointed...as satisfaction is guaranteed...or your money back!
Lets get something straight Mr. Mameroom... Christian doesn't "stoop" to anyones level, if anything - we stoop to his level.
And then some!
Mr. Fozzy. Let's cut to the quick. Yes, I have risked ruining a good thing I have going on this forum. I have received countless PM's from people of this forum telling me to stop posting in my best interest because people in here are "idiots"...not my words...but words from THIS FORUM'S own members. Regarding contribution to this community....we have sold over 660 cabinet kits to date in the past 3 years...many of them purchased by members of this community. Out of the 660+ products delivered, we have not ONE single warranty claim..we ship replacement panels to customers the instant we hear of any shipping damage..we've even shipped replacement panels at our own cost on the customers own mistakes or damage...because we recognize them as people investing money...and *stuff* happens....My intentions are good, I have no altererior motives...but people like you twist my words around to your benefit. I'm not getting Christian's "back", but i can now understand why he may have exploded in here before...because you have got me to that point...throw caution to the wind and FLAME ON! I guess people like you can bring out the best in others...hobbyist or vendor...everyone is human and has emotions... your personal nonsense is enough to drive even the calmest person mad!
Every time you post in here defending Christian or SS it makes you look bad. Real bad. Whereas some may understand what you are trying to do, many others will simply associate you with Christian and SS and their tarnished reputation will do nothing but bring you down too.
Thank you...seriously thank you for your concern...but I'm not so much defending Christian, as trying to calm things down temporarily to get people their panels...people of this forum (some people) are making it hard for me to be silent as they are being (in my mind) selfish idiots (sorry saint)...my justification for saying something like this is that people like fozzy, who don't have ANY vested interest...keep talking smack...KNOWING FULL WELL IT WILL RESULT IN PEOPLE NOT GETTING THEIR PANELS...just so he can keep the FLAME ON going...it's BS! I know it's BS...You know it's BS.
So here I am...now stuck in the middle trying to help others...turning my back now would mean I'm more interested in self preservation and profit opposed to standing behind my original intent of helping others...so if there's to be a flame war...I will stand on my own two feet and see where I land. I'm not "hiding" behind anything like MANY here are hiding behind the anonymity of "THE FORUM".
Scott Glazer
Mameroom Designs LLC
www.mameroom.com
440-725-0315 (Customer Support)
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Mameroom,
People here have a vested interest in this even if they haven't purchased anything from Slick Stick. Companies like SS tarnish this hobby. They make people feel frustrated and foolish. Saying things like "people have a chance to get their panels and people like you are ruining it and WILL ruin it for them." lays the blame on the wrong party. The blame lies on those who took money without giving a product in return. I agree with Fozzy in this. Someone who lies, belittles, and cons should be called out... loudly. I'm not trying to 'flame' you, but I disagree with your logic.
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Dude, again, stop. Just stop.
Citing vast PM conspiracies against the people posting in this thread isn't going to help your case any more and you're only hurting yourself at this point. Just accept that your mediation isn't going to work and walk away.
The more you defend Christian, the deeper you dig yourself and the more you piss off people here...except for the countless numbers of people who are PMing you, of course.
Like it or not, many people just aren't going to buy into your, "What Christian did was technically legal, so it's A-OK," bs.
Third time, mods, hasn't this thing run its course? Can we not just lock it, sticky it, and let the people who get their panels start a new thread?
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No, Chris would probably love to meet you face to face...
Guys, if Christian knocks me into next week, I promise to bring back the one control panel he'll have finished by then for those of you still waiting.
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Scott,
I think we can safely say that any additional input you may have is going to be anti-productive to your cause. You want this to quiet down, certainly getting in to a flame war with some of the folks here isn't going to accomplish your goals, but, in fact, will only serve to keep this topic on the front page.
I am sorry, but I tend to fall toward the "Fozzy" point of view on this mess. I do appreciate your efforts to get folks their control panels, but the answer is not for everyone to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that "Chris" or SS have integrity.
As one of those who have no vested interest in this situation other than the satisfaction of preventing as many people from being scammed for their dough as possible, I am ever-so-slightly insulted by your "if you don't have a vested interest, butt out" point of view. Every person who we prevent from being scammed by SS or "Chris" by keeping this information on the "front page", even by us folks without a vested interest, speaks volumes as to the service we are providing keeping this information out there.
I'd like nothing more than to see every last SS customer get their control panels, but the fact of the matter is that if we can prevent one NEW person from wasting their hard earned dollars by presenting this information, then it's worth it...even at the expense of those who've already been screwed (which sucks I know, but it is what it is).
It's not like "Chris" was a helluva guy before this mess. He and his company have a reputation here... and THEY were the ones to build that reputation.
You've said your peace...if you TRULY are interested in folks getting their panels, I'd reconsider continuing in this thread because every time you do, you're only inviting folks to reply, which, in turn, causes more conversation, which, in turn, causes more publicity, which, in turn, may cause "Chris" to flip his lid and stop sending out panels (from his own pocket).
Finally, it was low-brow to even suggest people are PMing you calling folks in this thread "idiots". What purpose did it serve? I know it sorta pissed me off, even though, frankly, I'm of the opinion that it's BS (an attempt to strengthen your argument perhaps?). If you are going to stoop so low as to call people in this thread whom you don't agree with "idiots", at least have the decency to do it directly and not via the suggestion that many people have PMed you stating that...
NOTICE: If you are one of the folks who PMed Scott calling anyone here an "idiot", please PM me stating so...I will happily keep your name anonymous and will retract the entire paragraph above with a public apology to Scott...
PS: Yes, I know I am an idiot...no need to pile on if you didn't PM Scott stating the fact!
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Seems like past, present, and possibly future customers are asking you (possibly not in the words you want hear, not sure) to take a step back from a pretty volatile situation. Rather than becoming the outlet to alot of frustration, appreciate that people respect you enough to try and protect and/or save your reputation. Whatever your personal beliefs, they have to be shelved for the good of your company. Unfortunately, no one will seperate you from it, price of success I guess ? :)
/2 cents.
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Seems like past, present, and possibly future customers are asking you (possibly not in the words you want hear, not sure) to take a step back from a pretty volatile situation. Rather than becoming the outlet to alot of frustration, appreciate that people respect you enough to try and protect and/or save your reputation. Whatever your personal beliefs, they have to be shelved for the good of your company. Unfortunately, no one will seperate you from it, price of success I guess ? :)
/2 cents.
Agreed. Everyone in this community, active, lurker, guest who just heard about MAME and wants one, and their acquaintances, co-workers, friends, family, etc is a potential customer and of like mind. My belief anyway is that a business should always treat it's customers, past present and future, with utmost respect. I'm not feeling a lot of respect in that post above.
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As for why someone should order from Mameroom even if they come from Christian...In the event that the panels we offer are not available from the original manufacturer, Mameroom will manufacture them ourselves, thus the ability to "guarantee" to get a panel out. If not from him, from us.
Hmmm ... let me see about what legal weight that guarantee carries ...
SlikStik LLC.
Mameroom Designs LLC.
Do we have a pattern here ??
Scott, I am not questioning the "moral weight" of your guarantee. I accept you're a person of unquestioned integrity and good standing ... although your strident defence of Christian is not doing your reputation any favours.
However, from a legal standpoint, with your LLC business structure, your guarantee holds no more weight that SlikStik's.
Mameroom Designs (Scott Glazer)
How come you expect us to accept that Mameroom Designs = Scott Glazer, and yet SlikStik <> Christian Stango ??
They're both LLC's, right ??
All that stuff you've written about Christian having "nothing to do" with the ownership or liabilities of SlikStik, being a "mere employee".
You can't have it both ways.
Either you BOTH accept personal responsibility for your respective companies, or you're BOTH "mere employees".
It's inconsistent to tell us that Mameroom Designs = Scott Glazer, yet SlikStik <> Christian Stango.
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You've spent a hell of a lot of time telling people to STFU in here
I'm sorry...who the "hell" are you? And did I every say "STFU"? Nope...people like you have portrayed me as doing so
who the "hell" are you?... OH!! got it....Hello Christian!! So how did you hack or persuade your way into Scott's account..... We've all seen this before, in almost exactly those words, directly from the BS Meister himself.
I know which one of those two my money is on
I'm sorry...looking through the old SS records when trying to acquire the company...I don't see you having ANY money vested...in anything!
That's interesting..... you went to the trouble of going through every record of somebody trading without a business licence did you. No doubt his other paperwork is in similar disarray to his ability to keep his business registered.
seen this before as well, in exactly those words, directly from Mr Stango himself. No he hasn't defrauded me personally out of anything, BUT he has allegedly defrauded personal friends of mine, and also allegedly defrauded one of my colleagues during the course of the last four years. So I most certainly DO have a vested interest.
His response on this forum when I pointed out that I hadn't bought anything from him given his miserable attitude to his customers and competitors on here was:
"Oh Please Fozzy buy something from us immediately or we'll really be in trouble :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:"
Well Stango now you're really in trouble! Must of course be my fault for not letting him rip me off the same way it seems that he's ripped countless others off. Including friends and colleagues of mine. Must of course be my fault, and not the fact that he appears to have failed to pay suppliers, seems to have told lies about the availability of parts, made excuses for, what on the face of it, would appear to be failure to deliver goods to customers that were waiting for months for goods, that then arrived with the wrong things fitted, or in one case reported on here, well over a year and a half, or not at all.
Up to now I've been nothing but polite to you Scott Mr MameRoom.... Your post count in this thread, telling people to shut up or else people won't get the goods they paid for, well exceeds my total post count in it. It's time you shut up yourself, and if you have any sense at all, disassociate yourself from, Christian, SickSlick, Stango. Before (as other people have also pointed out to you) It starts to seriously affect your business, when you're tarred with the same brush.
Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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The only other alternative I can see is that we're actually reading Stango's typed words, voiced through your account identity :dunno. but that looks very likely right now.
Fozzy ... you may have hit the nail on the head.
I just had a horrible feeling. :cry:
I hope I'm wrong, but ...
What if Christian bought Mameroom Designs LLC ??
Think about it :
** Orders placed with Mameroom, ship from SlikStik's address in Nutley, NJ.
** Another LLC business structure, which can be walked away from again, if things go pear-shaped again.
** A lot of pre-existing goodwill with Mameroom's reputation and standing ... the only way Christian could get that sort of goodwill, would be to buy a company that has already earned it.
** Christian is a smooth talker with a silver tongue ... are we hearing his words now, under the "Mameroom" moniker ??
** We've had that stuff posted by "Mameroom", about how Christian is starting up a NEW company, and is GUARANTEED to SUCCEED at his new company.
Are we witnessing Christian's new company ??
Does Mameroom (under new ownership) = Christian Stango ??
The words posted under the "Mameroom" moniker may be Christian's.
Or perhaps they're still Scott's words ... Christian may have given Scott a bucket-load of cash to buy Mameroom off him, but RETAINED him on the payroll as an EMPLOYEE.
As Christian's new employee, Scott would naturally be obligated to do Christian's bidding, and paint him in a favourable light in all communications.
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I'm sorry...looking through the old SS records when trying to acquire the company...I don't see you having ANY money vested...in anything!
That's interesting..... you went to the trouble of going through every record of somebody trading without a business licence did you. No doubt his other paperwork is in similar disarray to his ability to keep his business registered.
Fozzy ... Good pick up.
Another indication that Christian's new company is Mameroom Designs LLC.
Would Christian really have provided a COMPLETE and PERMANENT copy of his customer order database, which is SlikStik's confidential intellectual property, to a potential suitor, who supposedly (according to the BS we were fed by the "Mameroom" user) had already "walked away" and declined to purchase SlikStik weeks ago ??
What, did Christian say to Scott, "Hell, keep a copy of the database, it's on the house" ?? ;D
And now we're expected to accept that "Scott" is just casually browsing through the SlikStik customer data in his "free time" over a few beers at night ?? :cheers:
C'mon !!!
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Christian,
Whatever money you've paid Scott, to acquire Mameroom Designs LLC ...
No doubt part of what attracted you to purchase this company, is the goodwill and reputation that the company has built up over time.
Given you've paid good money for that goodwill, it would be a shame for you to squander its value, by trashing your new company's reputation overnight.
But then again, I guess it's always difficult for a leopard to change its spots. :dizzy:
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How does Stango providing product for Happ work? Happ orders a dozen panels, Stango takes the money, Happ asks where their products are, Stango blames Happ for not delivering any trackballs, Happ goes, "Frigging Happ!" and explodes in a ouroboros of non-logic.
IIRC, Happ was selling Tornado Spinners under license from SS.
/me is also glad people appear to be getting their stuff
/me asks Cheffo to pass some popcorn over and takes a sip of Coke (might want something stronger soon!)
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/me stumbles off to make more popcorn and grabs the marguerita mix.
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I'm sorry, but in my opinion, you people are really grasping for straws insinuating that chris bought mameroom. :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
THERE WAS A SECOND SHOOTER!!! :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:
If it turns out to be true, I expect lottery numbers from all of you!
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Not only did Chris buy out Mameroom, he bought out happ controls, Wells gardner, Ultimarc, He even bought out BYOAC..He's trying to take over the Arcade industry single handedly! First the gaming community...next the world. Way too smart for me....
...your right, this is a waste of my time.
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Not only did Chris buy out Mameroom, he bought out happ controls, Wells gardner, Ultimarc, He even bought out BYOAC..He's trying to take over the Arcade industry single handedly! First the gaming community...next the world. Way too smart for me....
Wait a minute - I thought that was Foley. No wait, maybe Christian has really been Foley using an alias all these years...
/me is wanting to waste away at Margaritaville.
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/me thinks a lot of this looks fishy and now adds Mameroom LLC to his "Don't Do Business" with list....
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Wow, this got ugly in a hurry. I would recommend a cleanup, but in a twisted way it revealed some relevant info.
I think it is very relevant that instead of simply buying the slikstik line and mameroom manufacturing the panels themselves as originally stated, they are just providing Christian an outlet to sell his goods. The accusation that Christian bought out mameroom is humorous, but pretty silly. Why would he do that, when his "new business" is already obvious. Scott stated that he is offering a distribution point for Christian's custom panels. So yes, if you order a panel now from mameroom, you are not getting Scott's work, you are getting Christian's work with Scott's work as a backup guarantee "just in case Christian drops the ball".
However, it IS odd that Scott would have a complete copy of SlikStiks billing records. I get the feeling though that was a tongue in cheek comment that didn't come across right. That's what the wink icon is for Scott. ;)
I will say this: Just like Foley, this hobby would be better off without Christian.'nuff said on that.
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This thread is doing real damage to people's lives and livelihoods. Why dont you all just give it a rest? Christian supplied the control pads for SlikStik....THE COMPANY. Due to mismanagement, some problems with Happ, bad decisions, whatever...SlikStik THE COMPANY went under...filed chapter 7. Christian decided to try and take over the name and business from SlikStik. He made arrangements with several customers that got stuck after the bankruptcy to make good on their deals. HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THIS....AND it is between HIM and the customers who have an issue.
Scott is BUYING the control pads from Christian (who is still selling the control pads because it is his design and he is trying to keep himself in business)
These are PEOPLE you guys are trashing...and you are really doing a disservice to everyone. These are good people who are trying to do the right thing by everyone. I don't know anyone from SlikStik, so I cant say if they were evil or not. However, Christian DOES NOT have to honor anything SlikStik said, but he is.
Give these guys a break. Enough already.
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These are PEOPLE you guys are trashing...and you are really doing a disservice to everyone. These are good people who are trying to do the right thing by everyone.
I tend to think the people who spent money and didn't get any communication or control panels are good people too. Perhaps you think it's ok for a person to accept money for a product and not deliver the product, most of us do not and are rightfully outraged.
Don't see the connection between Christian and Slikstik? Just do some readings of his posts on this board. After reading his posts, I'd like to see you come back with that same attitude.
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/me slurps his marguerita and ponders how the more things change the more they stay the same
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It's 9:15 AM or earlier. Margaritas already? Bloody Marys all gone? ;D
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Mega24 felt passionate enough with this thread that he made his first post in it?! :laugh2:
...alright "Chris"...at least have the balls to comment directly. That is what this thread is missing...
:laugh2:
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Food/eating-popcorn-03.gif)
EDIT: Not only did he feel passionate enough to make his first post in it...he actually REGISTERED for the sole purpose to post in the thread. Come on Chris...you can do better than that bro! Sheesh...
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While I understand its odd when someone registers and posts the same day on a hot topic, I think we need to give newer members the benefit of the doubt. Remember, there are a lot of people who read the boards who don't register. Maybe he/she just got fed up with some stuff and wanted to express an opinion.
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While I understand its odd when someone registers and posts the same day on a hot topic, I think we need to give newer members the benefit of the doubt.
Agreed - Mega24 seems to have a very good handle on what is going on, so perhaps he is one of the other employee's of SlickStick. I doubt Xtian would have been as civil if he were replying here.
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I doubt Xtian would have been as civil if he were replying here.
I definitely agree with that.
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Mega24 felt passionate enough with this thread that he made his first post in it?! :laugh2:
...alright "Chris"...at least have the balls to comment directly. That is what this thread is missing...
:laugh2:
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Food/eating-popcorn-03.gif)
EDIT: Not only did he feel passionate enough to make his first post in it...he actually REGISTERED for the sole purpose to post in the thread. Come on Chris...you can do better than that bro! Sheesh...
He seems to be saying pretty much the same things that Mameroom has been saying. His post doesn't come off as an impartial observer that has just stumbled across this thread at all.
- Christian is, or is planning to, fulfill orders OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET™
- Christian, inexplicably, should be exonerated for this "generosity", despite the fact that it is a long-overdue obligation of his—if not a legal obligation (due to potential "LLC" loopholes), then definitely an ethical obligation
- Christian is a delicate flower, and if posters here are "mean" to him, he's taking his toys and going home
Do I have the Mameroom/Christian/SlikStik/Mega24/whatever mantra about right?
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/me raises his glass to MaximRecoil
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He seems to be saying pretty much the same things that Mameroom has been saying. His post doesn't come off as an impartial observer that has just stumbled across this thread at all.
- Christian is, or is planning to, fulfill orders OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET™
- Christian, inexplicably, should be exonerated for this "generosity", despite the fact that it is a long-overdue obligation of his—if not a legal obligation (due to potential "LLC" loopholes), then definitely an ethical obligation
- Christian is a delicate flower, and if posters here are "mean" to him, he's taking his toys and going home
Do I have the Mameroom/Christian/SlikStik/Mega24/whatever mantra about right?
:applaud:
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Mega24 felt passionate enough with this thread that he made his first post in it?! :laugh2:
Mega24 seems to have a very good handle on what is going on, so perhaps he is one of the other employee's of SlickStick.
Perhaps Mega24 was the SlikStik Tea Lady ?? :dunno
SlikStik THE COMPANY went under
Companies are run by people.
Where did the money go, for those customers who've coughed up their cash, and received nothing in return ??
Who controlled the purse strings ??
The people who run the company, are the ones who spend the money, or otherwise "siphon it off" into their own personal accounts. Of course, they can siphon off the money under the guise of "wages", after all, they're "employees" of the company, right ?? ... they can pay themselves whatever wage they want, and live the "high life" off other people's funds.
The money could potentially have ended up anywhere.
Hypothetically speaking, the SlikStik founder could be riding around on a nice new Harley, funded with the money received for unfulfilled CP orders. All legitimate & above board, of course ... he was entitled, as an "employee" of SlikStik, to pay himself his "wages". ;)
He made arrangements with several customers that got stuck after the bankruptcy to make good on their deals. HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THIS.
He knows how to watch out for his own hide.
The heat is on, probably a lot more so than he expected. The authorities are investigating SlikStik and the people behind it.
In light of this, better to be seen to be "doing what he can" to make amends for this mess. :angel:
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I really really *really* was trying to stay out of this thread other than to watch it for rules violations and civility(?)... I have to jump in with one point though because it comes up time and time again on threads that get contentious.
Right now, there are 48 guests and 56 users on the forum. At a very unscientific rough guess from that, we probably have about 50% lurkers on the forum who have been here for an unknown length of time. At some point, something will motivate them to respond and they register.
I don't know who Mega24 is and don't care one way or another (not a negative, you're very welcome here, it's just not pertinent to my point). My point is that when someone newly registered makes a first post in a contentious thread, if they take the popular side no one notices. If they take a position that gets someone's goat up, they get called a phony. It may or may not be true but as a rule of thumb I give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
My 2 bits and off my soapbox now.
--- saint
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He seems to be saying pretty much the same things that Mameroom has been saying. His post doesn't come off as an impartial observer that has just stumbled across this thread at all.
- Christian is, or is planning to, fulfill orders OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET™
- Christian, inexplicably, should be exonerated for this "generosity", despite the fact that it is a long-overdue obligation of his—if not a legal obligation (due to potential "LLC" loopholes), then definitely an ethical obligation
- Christian is a delicate flower, and if posters here are "mean" to him, he's taking his toys and going home
Do I have the Mameroom/Christian/SlikStik/Mega24/whatever mantra about right?
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Drinks/drinking-48.GIF)
...I just about spit up my coffee when I got to the "delicate flower" part...
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WoW this thread got really stupid since last night.
If Chris was speaking thier would prob be a lot more anger flying around this second.
I can't believe you guys, Chris hacked Scotts account, Mega24 is Chris, I'm Chris's nephew. LOL you guys need to grow up.
Scott, You have got a big set of --you know what -- to post your opinion and be ridiculed by some of these people. I got PM's as well telling me to shut up and tone down? So why should we shut up, but you guys have all the freedom to spread whatever nonsense around you please? Personally I would like to thank you for expressing your concerns here, as well as get some of these fools off my back.
Scott if you like to voice your opinion please do. Yes you will slammed about some things as you can already tell, but I don't think these people know that if you speak or not, its not going to effect your company.
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Wanted to post a quick update for everyone. I just spoke to Christian, and my panel is shipping today.
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Wanted to post a quick update for everyone. I just spoke to Christian, and my panel is shipping today.
AWESOME!!!!!
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Wanted to post a quick update for everyone. I just spoke to Christian, and my panel is shipping today.
nice, sounds like this thread and his newly found legal battles have put a fire under his ass to do what's right...
makes you wonder why mameroom wants to let this thread die if this thread is getting people their panels....
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Wanted to post a quick update for everyone. I just spoke to Christian, and my panel is shipping today.
nice, sounds like this thread and his newly found legal battles have put a fire under his ass to do what's right...
makes you wonder why mameroom wants to let this thread die if this thread is getting people their panels....
Oh No, watch out with the language. Seriously do you people understand, your legal disputes are with SS not Christian. You may be fooled to think its with Chris, but you are following the wrong path.
As you can see from the last week Chris is making good, thats what about 4 panels out the door since.
Christian, MameRoom & MameMarquees keep up the great work :) and don't let these people suck you in to the flamewar. Your time is much needed in other departments then dealing with some people here.
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Your time is much needed in other departments then dealing with some people here.
:laugh2: Yeah, like keeping after xtian to continue to get these long overdue panels out the door to satisfy his dissatisfied customers.....
As you can see from the last week Chris is making good, thats what about 4 panels out the door since.
4 out the door :notworthy:, but how many orders and how much money has he received while getting these 4 out?
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Your time is much needed in other departments then dealing with some people here.
:laugh2: Yeah, like keeping after xtian to continue to get these long overdue panels out the door to satisfy his dissatisfied customers.....
As you can see from the last week Chris is making good, thats what about 4 panels out the door since.
4 out the door :notworthy:, but how many orders and how much money has he received while getting these 4 out?
Are you just flat out igronant or dumb? Chris does not have SS's money.
If you knew anything that was going on, Chris has made nothing the past few weeks, only pulling money out his pocket to get things back up and running.
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Your time is much needed in other departments then dealing with some people here.
:laugh2: Yeah, like keeping after xtian to continue to get these long overdue panels out the door to satisfy his dissatisfied customers.....
As you can see from the last week Chris is making good, thats what about 4 panels out the door since.
4 out the door :notworthy:, but how many orders and how much money has he received while getting these 4 out?
Are you just flat out igronant or dumb? Chris does not have SS's money.
If you knew anything that was going on, Chris has made nothing the past few weeks, only pulling money out his pocket to get things back up and running.
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
so I question SS and xtians integrity and you resort to name calling... nice... perhaps you should ask yourself your own question....
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LOL I think I've already been called it all in this thread.
But you just don't seem to grasp that Chris DOES NOT have SS money
If he did, wouldn't you think these "high profile" cases would have been out weeks ago?
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/me slurps his marguerita and ponders how the more things change the more they stay the same ... again ...
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LOL I think I've already been called it all in this thread.
But you just don't seem to grasp that Chris DOES NOT have SS money
If he did, wouldn't you think these "high profile" cases would have been out weeks ago?
I think it's funny that you think SS and Christian are separate. You really think Christian is building panels with his own money?
I guess EVERYONE's a victim.
I feel sorry for you, and all the scams your going to fall for.
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I feel sorry for you, and all the scams your going to fall for.
You really crack me up. I order something from a website. After some delays and aggrivation, I get my stuff. So that makes me get scammed. Dude you don't even know a damn thing about me, other then the what is in this thread, so your assumptions mean nothing.
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Are you just flat out igronant or dumb? Chris does not have SS's money.
If you knew anything that was going on, Chris has made nothing the past few weeks, only pulling money out his pocket to get things back up and running.
Seriously bro...I have some beachfront property here in Idaho...fronts up to the Indian ocean and everything....did I mention that Paris Hilton owns the lot next door and frequently sunbathes nude?
You can have it for $199.95 per acre! WHAT A BARGAIN!
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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I feel sorry for you, and all the scams your going to fall for.
You really crack me up. I order something from a website. After some delays and aggrivation, I get my stuff. So that makes me get scammed. Dude you don't even know a damn thing about me, other then the what is in this thread, so your assumptions mean nothing.
So you got it? Post some photos...
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After some delays and aggrivation, I get my stuff.
Cool - when did this happen and how did I miss the announcement post - How'd it come out?
/me asks Cheffo to cue Rush's song Circumstances (http://www.mp3lyrics.org/r/rush/circumstances/) to give a proper tone to the party.
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Dude you don't even know a damn thing about me, other then the what is in this thread, so your assumptions mean nothing.
And yet you feel qualified to make assumptions on others. Interesting.
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/me puts down his copy of The Revolutionist's Handbook, raises a glass to Tiger-Heli and turns up the stereo
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It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.
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I order something from a website. After some delays and aggrivation, I get my stuff.
It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.
So I can officially call you a liar then?
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I order something from a website. After some delays and aggrivation, I get my stuff.
It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.
So I can officially call you a liar then?
How is that a lie, --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- I will "get my stuff"
You people just love twisting words around.
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You didn't say "I will get my stuff" though
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Didn't Saint politely ask you to cut the "txtspeak" crap out?
:soapbox:
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You didn't say "I will get my stuff" though
He also didn't say "I got my stuff." At worst the language is ambiguous... it doesn't look like to me an attempt at lying. :dunno
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I order something from a website. After some delays and aggrivation, I get my stuff.
It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.
So I can officially call you a liar then?
How is that a lie, --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- I will "get my stuff"
You people just love twisting words around.
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I am rapidly coming to the conclusion you are only posting in this thread to increase your post count....
[lurk]
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Didn't Saint politely ask you to cut the "txtspeak" crap out?
:soapbox:
He did for about three posts - I was impressed.
/me thanks Cheffo and jams out to the appropriate music.
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You didn't say "I will get my stuff" though
Oh sorry I keep forgetting how meticulous you guys are lol
Didn't Saint politely ask you to cut the "txtspeak" crap out?
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DUDE GET OVER IT. Did you rip on the last dude that said --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- a few post back? And if I recall --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- he deleted it, no it wasn't to politely. As I said if he wants to ban me for abbr. a few words then so be it, leave that for him to decide and get your head outta my --poop chute--
I order something from a website. After some delays and aggrivation, I get my stuff.
It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.
So I can officially call you a liar then?
How is that a lie, --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- I will "get my stuff"
You people just love twisting words around.
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I am rapidly coming to the conclusion you are only posting in this thread to increase your post count....
[lurk]
Plz I could care less how many posts I have here, but thx for the laugh
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DUDE GET OVER IT. Did you rip on the last dude that said --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- a few post back? And if I recall --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- he deleted it, no it wasn't to politely. As I said if he wants to ban me for abbr. a few words then so be it, leave that for him to decide and get your head outta my --poop chute--
Haha...he said -poop chute-
:tool:
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Plz I could care less how many posts I have here, but thx for the laugh
You're welcome.....
It's good for people to laugh......
;D
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DUDE GET OVER IT. Did you rip on the last dude that said --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- a few post back? And if I recall --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- he deleted it, no it wasn't to politely. As I said if he wants to ban me for abbr. a few words then so be it, leave that for him to decide and get your head outta my --poop chute--
Haha...he said -poop chute-
:tool:
Why would saint autocensor the word mouth?
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DUDE GET OVER IT. Did you rip on the last dude that said --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- a few post back? And if I recall --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- he deleted it, no it wasn't to politely. As I said if he wants to ban me for abbr. a few words then so be it, leave that for him to decide and get your head outta my --poop chute--
Haha...he said -poop chute-
:tool:
Why would saint autocensor the word mouth?
to make a funny?
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Well, my panel arrived. I ran home from work real quick and popped open the box. It looks great, and I can't wait to get home from work this evening and get it hooked up. I will let you all know tomorrow how it went.
For what it is worth, and unfortunately it would seem for the majority of posters on this thread I don't think it will be worth much, but since Christian emailed me a week or two ago I have had no problems getting in contact with him (by email). I have to say that he lived up to his word, and did exactly as he said he would.
Would I purchase anything more from Christian? Right now I would definitely not, HOWEVER, that is not to say that in the future I would not. I will give him the benefit of the doubt. If he is starting a new business where he is the master of his own domain and he sees how his business practices affect his ability to put food on his table, he may have much more interest in public relations. I would hope that for all of the negative posts that have been made about Christian, if, and when, he does something that is worthy of praise, that he receive it, which is what I am doing now. Christian told me that he had to pay for this panel out of his own pocket. I really have no reason to doubt that he didn't. To be real honest I don't care the particulars as to why I got it, I am just glad to have received it. I have spoken with my attorney who also told me (as Scott from Mameroom has said) that, assuming what Christian says about his role or lack thereof of ownership of the now defunct SlikStik is true, he really doesn't legally owe us anything.
I don't mean to sound like a big tree-hugging hippy that says "Can't we all just get along?" I am generally pretty much an A-hole and not much of a forgive and forget kind of guy. What I am trying to say is that everyone should just back off a half a step. If Christian is truly a leopard who cannot change his spots, we will hear about it in very short order, I am sure. And if that happens flame away. Honestly over the last couple of months, it seems that things may be improving. All the panels ordered from Mameroom (and thus SlikStik) have been arriving promptly by all accounts. Those of us that have been waiting ages for panels are finally starting to see them trickle in.
I also am saddened to see the flack that Scott from Mameroom is taking for really doing nothing more than A) trying to help out a friend, and B) help out the community. He was really hanging himself out there financially by promising to make good on a product that he never saw a penny for, and I truly believe that he would have made made good if that situation arose.
My god, after looking back at all this, I don't think I've typed this much since grad school! ;D
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Well, my panel arrived. I ran home from work real quick and popped open the box. It looks great, and I can't wait to get home from work this evening and get it hooked up. I will let you all know tomorrow how it went.
Glad to hear it!!!
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So how does one get in contact with Christian???!
I placed my order for a blank pannel back in Oct. and no word yet. I have emailed and called with no response :cry:
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So how does one get in contact with Christian???!
I placed my order for a blank pannel back in Oct. and no word yet. I have emailed and called with no response :cry:
for all those asking, this would be the reason this thread should stay active, for one.
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It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
I've been sitting here reading this in stunned silence since it started, and have just fallen out of my chair laughing harder than I can ever remember laughing before. I think the risk of injury caused by this post entitles, no DEMANDS that I weigh in.
A lot of people have run businesses, some incorporated and many not. I've run a business myself. If Christian ran Slickstick, then Christian = Slikstik. Play semantic games all you want, nothing will ever change that.
Christian will ship product to people Christian wants to ship product to. Nobody or nothing in this thread has any bearing on that. If Fozzy's (well deserved) cynicism supposedly results in Christian defrauding a customer, that's Christian's decision, and his alone. In fact I'd say that if he WERE likely to punish a customer for something someone else said in this thread or elsewhere, it would tend to validate most everything Fozzy and others have been saying about him and his company.
As a relative newcomer to this hobby who has no space for woodworking, I have been saving up to buy a cabinet from Mameroom. But after reading Scott's posts in this thread not just defending Christian personally, but also his reasoning that somehow just because filed paperwork to form Slikstik as an LLC he should somehow be exempt from any responsibility for his actions under that company's name...well, let's just say that I'm putting my purchase plans on hold indefinitely.
Scott, I THINK I understand what you were trying to do, but I have to say that I think you went about it the wrong way. Your strident defense of unethical behavior, and your willingness to rehabilitate Christian's image by acting as a front for his product sales really does have me (and apparently others) questioning your motives here.
But these are just my opinions, and worth exactly what you've paid for them, though.
CheffoJeffo...mind if I pull up a chair and watch with you? I'll bring some more ice and my own beverage...
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/me grabs a spare chair, runs the blender, pours MTwitty a marguerita and is taking requests to be played on the jukebox
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It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.
tomorrow - 8 letters
the day after today - 16 letters
hmm... Funny thing is that my 7 year old asked me how tomorrow is shorter than 'the day after today'. ;D
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It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.
tomorrow - 8 letters
the day after today - 16 letters
hmm... Funny thing is that my 7 year old asked me how tomorrow is shorter than 'the day after today'. ;D
I would hope that he was being facetious when he posted that. In any event, it was pretty damn funny.
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It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.
tomorrow - 8 letters
the day after today - 16 letters
hmm... Funny thing is that my 7 year old asked me how tomorrow is shorter than 'the day after today'. ;D
I would hope that he was being facetious when he posted that. In any event, it was pretty damn funny.
I know... Having too many margueritas with CheffoJeffo and Tiger-Heli and wondering where the Kokanee Beer is at...
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It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.
tomorrow - 8 letters
the day after today - 16 letters
hmm... Funny thing is that my 7 year old asked me how tomorrow is shorter than 'the day after today'. ;D
I would hope that he was being facetious when he posted that. In any event, it was pretty damn funny.
Hint - if it's surrounded by -- marks it might be the autocensor :)
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I placed my order for a blank pannel back in Oct. and no word yet. I have emailed and called with no response :cry:
I hope that Christian does the right thing and proves all the naysayers wrong and sends you the panel you paid for. But if you don't ever get your panel, just keep in mind what Scott Glazer of Mameroom.com has said over and over and over again because at that point you'll have to admit that 'he told you so':
If you don't get your panel, it was because "MANY members here [who] NEVER purchased anything from SlikStik ruin[ed] it for [you]" click for Scott's full quote (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg779122#msg779122)
If you don't get your panel, it was because "The continuing flamewar... ensure[d] that [you did] not [get your panel]" click for Scott's full quote (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg778998#msg778998)
If you don't get your panel, it was because "as a result of a continued tirade [you lost]" click for Scott's full quote (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg779122#msg779122)
If you don't get your panel, it was because "the only thing people of this forum [did was to end up] screwing people" click for Scott's full quote (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg778886#msg778886)
If you don't get your panel, it was because "comments from people in this forum prevent[ed it] from happening" click for Scott's full quote (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg780276#msg780276)
If you don't get your panel, it was because "[posters in this thread were] screwing [you] just as much as SS" click for Scott's full quote (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg779122#msg779122)
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/me raises a glass to saint, master of the great BYOAC autocensor
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It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.
tomorrow - 8 letters
the day after today - 16 letters
hmm... Funny thing is that my 7 year old asked me how tomorrow is shorter than 'the day after today'. ;D
I would hope that he was being facetious when he posted that. In any event, it was pretty damn funny.
Hint - if it's surrounded by -- marks it might be the autocensor :)
That was your joke then? I thought the humor seemed a bit out of place.
It was about the funniest thing I've read in a while.
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It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.
tomorrow - 8 letters
the day after today - 16 letters
hmm... Funny thing is that my 7 year old asked me how tomorrow is shorter than 'the day after today'. ;D
I would hope that he was being facetious when he posted that. In any event, it was pretty damn funny.
Hint - if it's surrounded by -- marks it might be the autocensor :)
That was your joke then? I thought the humor seemed a bit out of place.
It was about the funniest thing I've read in a while.
I admit nothing.
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Since Scott's no longer replying, could we at least cut him a break? I certainly don't think any less of him for abandoning the thread, and rubbing his nose in it isn't going to help. :police:
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Right now, there are 48 guests and 56 users on the forum. At a very unscientific rough guess from that, we probably have about 50% lurkers on the forum who have been here for an unknown length of time. At some point, something will motivate them to respond and they register.
Well that's why I finally registered... I know some wont listen (or care) and will just continue but whatever.
I just have to say there's a very vocal minority, CheffoJeffo in particular, who are adding absolutely nothing to this thread. I mean seriously what value are the emote responses adding? This thread has done it's job. I came across it because I was finally going to buy a SS cabinet and control panel after years of putting it off. But then I stumbled on this thread back in November or so and decided I wouldn't order at that time due to all the issues people were having with SS. Since that time I have been reading it off and on since to try and see what the situation was and if it improved or not because I still do want a panel I'd just rather buy one than build it.
If I were a moderator, and if it wasn't for that fact that some people have now appeared to be getting their control panels and are reporting it here, I'd just lock this thread. I don't really see the point of the continued crusade. People have more than enough information to make up their own mind.
Oh, and Scott, if I were you I wouldn't even bother posting on this thread anymore. I think anyone with a brain can see what you were trying to do. Others seem to be finding conspiracy theories out of nothing. "oh nos 2 LLCs they must be the same omg!"
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Hint - if it's surrounded by -- marks it might be the autocensor :)
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
:cheers:
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So how does one get in contact with Christian???!
I placed my order for a blank pannel back in Oct. and no word yet. I have emailed and called with no response :cry:
What excuses would Christian use for not shipping this one - a blank panel ??
He can't use his old favourites :
** Trackballs shortage at Happs. :blah:
** Printing problem with overlays provided my Mamemarquees. :blah:
** Dodgy batch of I-PAC's received from Ultimarc. :blah:
These are good people who are trying to do the right thing by everyone.
Err ...
Like Christian's noble deeds of smearing the reputation of Happs, Mamemarquees, Ultimarc, etc., in a lame effort to deflect attention from the failings of his own company ??
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Guys, I finally joined this forum for one reason:
http://newjersey.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=89&bbb=0221&firm=24003804
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im jus sayin dont say your getting scammed and not getting anything for your $$
Unfortunately, you really don't have a clue here - you know why the overlays aren't being shipped? Because SlikStik isn't paying the supplier! They owe me quite a bit of money as well for ads, and after a year of waiting, I sent them to a collection agency -- they promised the agency they would pay, then Christian promptly disconnected his cell phone and got a new number.
There's no way this is an ethical business practice, and unless a miracle happens I'm afraid things are only going to get worse...
Kev ... did you end up receiving payment for this advertising ?? ???
Yet ANOTHER reason why this thread is crucial.
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My story: I wanted to buy/build a Mame cabinet for my home here in Singapore. Not knowing anything about woodworking or electronics, etc I did a lot of research to figure out what was the best option for me. During my research, I saw a picture of a SlikStik controller that I thought was awesome. Googled the website and saw all the cool stuff and figured why dont I just buy a complete rig from them and have it shipped. I checked the prices and started to shop around for something cheaper just to ensure I got the best deal. Then I saw something about Mameroom and went to their website and it was much cheaper. So I was looking for reviews on SlikStik vs Mameroom and found this thread. I was initially relieved that I hadn't sent any money to SlikStik since it was clear that they were ripping people off. Then I read further and saw Scott's comments and decided to call SlikStik and get their side. I spoke to Christian (Chris) for over an hour about all kinds of stuff. He was very straightforward and honest with me, which I appreciated. Still, he is in a difficult situation right now trying to clean up the mess left by SlikStik, so I decided I would rather do business with Mameroom since they are more stable at the moment. I then called Scott at Mameroom and spoke to him for a long time (also a very honest, straightforward guy). I then decided to post here to explain what I had found and to express my concern that people are posting and potentially harming people that do not deserve it.
Then I get accused by the "grassy knoll" folks that I am Christian (my name is Joe)...who is also accused of Being Scott...or is it Scott that is accused of being Christian? Or Big Foot?
Some of the posters here do not want to hear anything that challenges their paradigm: Christian is SlikStik...He is a liar...he is robbing people...Scott is colluding with him to rob people...dont trust anyone...etc.
Very frustrating. :banghead:
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I don't think anyone here truly believes Scott is "colluding" with anyone to "rob" anyone...lets get that straight.
...and congratulations on your buying decision.
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So I was looking for reviews on SlikStik vs Mameroom and found this thread. I was initially relieved that I hadn't sent any money to SlikStik since it was clear that they were ripping people off. ...
he is in a difficult situation right now trying to clean up the mess left by SlikStik, so I decided I would rather do business with Mameroom since they are more stable at the moment.
So you've benefited from reading this thread, right ?? :applaud:
You've gained the knowledge that it's safer to steer clear of SlikStik, and order with Mameroom instead.
How about a little gratitude towards Fozzy, FrizzleFried, and the rest of the guys who've given their time for free, to post in this thread and give you the full picture about SlikStik ?? :dunno
If it wasn't for this thread, you'd be screwed, waiting at the end of a long line of customers dudded of their cash by SlikStik.
A little gratitude wouldn't go astray.
As for Christian bearing no responsibility for the functioning of SlikStik's business operations, I'm sorry, but that's an incredibly naive point of view. :laugh2:
... but we'll let it pass, given you're a newbie. If you had been viewing Christian's posts in these forums over the years, you would know otherwise. ;)
I spoke to Christian (Chris) for over an hour about all kinds of stuff.
Did he chat with you about the weather, how Singapore's his favourite travel destination, what a great time he had shopping on Orchard Road, etc ??
Be careful, he has a legendary reputation of being a smooth talker. :cheers:
I don't think anyone here truly believes Scott is "colluding" with anyone to "rob" anyone...lets get that straight.
Absolutely not.
Scott maintains a well-earned reputation as an honest broker. :angel:
Scott sidetracked the discussion his way, through his new business relationship with Christian, and his strident (and at times aggressive) defence of him in this thread.
But even then, no-one suggested Scott was up to anything untoward.
The question was simply regarding the "nature and depth" of Scott's new business relationship with Christian.
Given Christian's woeful track record, customers have a right to know if he has any "fingers in the pie" of the orders they place with other companies.
Christian is the man producing the panels for Mameroom (whose orders are shipped from SlikStik's address in Nutley, NJ), so one has to wonder whether ordering panels from Mameroom will be a reliable and risk-free option in the long term. Christian will CONTINUE to be a cog in the works, despite Scott's best intentions.
However, Scott has given his word that he'll personally complete any panels (if ordered through Mameroom) that Christian fails to produce, which is a good thing.
Unless Scott has anything else to add, the discussion has now returned to the original issues, which remain relevant as ever, being :
** SlikStik's non-fulfillment of orders, for which payment has been received "long ago".
** SlikStik's non-payment of other debts ... such as the advertising revenue they've failed to pay Kev Steele, for ad's that appeared in Retroblast.
** Christian's level of involvement in all of this ... subject to debate.
** Legal investigations (by government authorities) that continue into SlikStik, and the people behind it ...
... such as the investigation by the Attorneys General, and the BBB :
Guys, I finally joined this forum for one reason:
http://newjersey.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=89&bbb=0221&firm=24003804
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First off all, nice to see another arcade fan from Singapore on the board. Welcome and don't let the harsh talk drive you away :) Second, I've been following this thread since day one and I've known Slikstik (but not the owner) longer then I knew of this board. Third, I've worked for six years in the default recovery of a large bank and have seen my share of businesses going under. Next to a law degree I have an MBA so I can say I know a bit of what I'm talking about.
The pattern is (almost) always the same. The owner is most of the time a dedicated hobbyist who decides to make his hobby his work. A good hobbyist doesn't always make a good businessperson and there's a lot more to running an arcade-parts business then to make a few panels and boards for fellow enthusiasts. Even or I should say especially when business goes well, at one point in time there will be bottlenecks. These can be in production or in finance or in supply or a lot of other factors but if they are not solved quickly they will disrupt the production flow causing delays in delivery, angry customers and a spiral from which it is very difficult to get out. This is the economic side of the Slik Stik story as I see it.
Chris, who as far as I know is the main proprietor of Slik Stik first tried to cover the disruption in production with excuses. Supplies were late, transportation was slow, whatever he could come up with. In itself this is inexcusable but I've seen other business owners do the same (even boards of large corporations lie through their teeth if it means saving the company. Just read "Smartest guys in the room" and you'll know what I'm talking about). Because Slik Stik is working in a very small niche market with a closely knit community, the stupidest thing he could do was lie to his customers. If he would have been honest he might even have been bailed out by the same community that now looks like :badmood: . Off course it's naive to say that Chris and Slik Stik are separate entities. Legally they might be but in practice the company is the management and the workers, in the Slik Stik case one and the same. I haven't talked to Chris, I don't know the guy but I can understand his motives, no matter how wrong. I hope he learns that ignoring angry customers doesn't make them go away.
I'm glad I wasn't in the ordering phase yet because just as Mega24, I was about to order from Mameroom.
Scott seems like a decent guy but also a guy who saw the opportunity to earn a quick buck. Although he didn't formally buy Slik Stik, for all intends and purposes he took over the business and will probably be rewarded with a proper ownership after he has cleaned Chris's mess. To do so he must save the Slik Stik name which means also saving Chris' name. No choice, he has to stick up for Slik Stik (no pun intended :) ) If I were Scott, I would distance myself from this thread for a while and concentrate on business because by the clumsy way he's defending the case he's losing it. The most important issue i.m.h.o. is now to make all angry customers happy by delivering the goods or making good in other ways. If I were Chris I would own up and openly and transparently tell what happened and how you're going to solve things. I'm afraid that this mess will not go away if he keeps ignoring it. If he can do that, it's up to his customers to decide what to do. If he's unwilling to do that then he deserves all that is coming to him (in a strictly legal sense off course).
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he [Christian] is in a difficult situation right now trying to clean up the mess left by SlikStik
Mega24,
Who do you think MADE the mess left by SlikStik ?
Get your head around this concept :
A lot of people have run businesses, some incorporated and many not. I've run a business myself. If Christian ran Slickstick, then Christian = Slikstik. Play semantic games all you want, nothing will ever change that.
Christian will ship product to people Christian wants to ship product to.
I spoke to Christian (Chris) for over an hour about all kinds of stuff.
Do you also chat with the Mormans and the Jehovah's Witness for over an hour, when they come knocking on your door ?
Or just can't bring yourself to say "NO" to those so-called friends who try to flog you Amway products ?
Maybe you've fallen for a $5,000 whiz-bang vacuum cleaner being sold door-to-door ? Perhaps you even agreed to sign up for the VIP installment plan, at 28.95 % interest ?
Mega24, you seem like a champion guy ...
But there are lots of people out there, who'd like to make a quick buck off you. Sometimes you need to step back, take a long hard look at things, and smell the BS through the trees.
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From what I have been able to surmise, Scott works at / operates a fabrication company that builds custom wood furniture/cabinets/etc. Mameroom is just one facet of the business. He is in Ohio. Christian is in NJ. Scott buys the control panels from Christian because the designs and layouts are great and Christian is very knowledgeable and his products are superior and use some of the best parts available. That being said, Scott does not offer ALL SlikStik products on his page. Only the ones that he can fabricate and ship himself in case of an order NOT being filled by Christian. For example, Mameroom will not offer the Quad FS panel because they cannot fabricate control panels with the flight stick that SlikStik uses.
Please do not mistake anything I have said to be an excuse for bad business practices or a defense of people being ripped off. I just want everyone to consider the fact that control panels ARE being shipped and products are being received by those who have placed/are placing orders. I wonder what it will take to convince people?
BTW, I would like to know who, among all the posters here, have actually ordered and NOT received a SlikStik product? These are the people who have a legitimate gripe and I would love to hear current status for them. I have no trouble reaching Christian OR Scott BTW, so if anyone cant get in touch with them, please let me know and I will try and help. :)
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I just have to say there's a very vocal minority, CheffoJeffo in particular, who are adding absolutely nothing to this thread. I mean seriously what value are the emote responses adding?
Fair question ... they're my tongue-in-cheek way of dealing with the frustration of having been accused of being selfish by continuing to post my opinion and supporting facts, while the people who had the temerity to demand my silence continued to run roughshod.
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im jus sayin dont say your getting scammed and not getting anything for your $$
Unfortunately, you really don't have a clue here - you know why the overlays aren't being shipped? Because SlikStik isn't paying the supplier! They owe me quite a bit of money as well for ads, and after a year of waiting, I sent them to a collection agency -- they promised the agency they would pay, then Christian promptly disconnected his cell phone and got a new number.
There's no way this is an ethical business practice, and unless a miracle happens I'm afraid things are only going to get worse...
Kev ... did you end up receiving payment for this advertising ?? ???
Yet ANOTHER reason why this thread is crucial.
Nope, although Steele Publishing is now officially listed as a creditor with SlikStik's lawyers. I guess that means I've got a place in line...
Sniping and griping aside, there's still a lot to be learned about what's going on, which is why I'm monitoring this thread (and digging through all the flamewars)
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For what is is worth, Christian was able to settle the bill with my company, though I am sure it was a much smaller bill...
I have been in contact with Christian and regularly shipping overlays to him over the past month or so. So I know he is getting things out the door now and as we have seen people are starting to get their products. I am hopefull over the next month or so we will see other people receiving their products and things will settle down.
Scott
www.mamemarquees.com
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I can probably count the number of times I've done this on one hand and have fingers left over. I think this thread has run its course except for people reporting in with facts (I did/didn't get paid, I did/didn't get a refund, I did/didn't get my product, here's a picture of my product, etc.). I'm asking everyone else with opinions/positions/defenses of one side or another to stop and will be taking scissors to posts liberally hereafter. I don't think it's censoring as I don't think there's anything new coming out other than the aforementioned facts relating to transactions. If you've got an opinion to the contrary please PM me with it.
--- saint
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I placed my order in March of 2007 and never received my panel. For those of you that have recently received your panels, did Christian contact you out of the blue and tell you he was going to get it out? If he contacted you, what method did he use: telephone, letter, email? If you contacted him, how was it that you made contact with him? If you telephoned him, what number did you call? If you emailed him, what address did you use? My last contact with SlikStik was on October 2, 2007. My story was posted much earlier in this thread. I was calling almost everyday and emailing with no repsonse.
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I placed my order in March of 2007 and never received my panel. For those of you that have recently received your panels, did Christian contact you out of the blue and tell you he was going to get it out? If he contacted you, what method did he use: telephone, letter, email? If you contacted him, how was it that you made contact with him? If you telephoned him, what number did you call? If you emailed him, what address did you use? My last contact with SlikStik was on October 2, 2007. My story was posted much earlier in this thread. I was calling almost everyday and emailing with no repsonse.
See Maga24 above, I think he has had good success, and he said that if you have problems to contact him and he will help out.
HTH
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I placed my order in March of 2007 and never received my panel. For those of you that have recently received your panels, did Christian contact you out of the blue and tell you he was going to get it out? If he contacted you, what method did he use: telephone, letter, email? If you contacted him, how was it that you made contact with him? If you telephoned him, what number did you call? If you emailed him, what address did you use? My last contact with SlikStik was on October 2, 2007. My story was posted much earlier in this thread. I was calling almost everyday and emailing with no repsonse.
I get in touch with him by filing an item not received claim with Paypal. Within 20 minutes of filing a claim I had received an e-mail from and my panel shipped that afternoon.
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I'm still waitin on UPS, he usually comes around 5pm
In the meantime, I would like to post, OFFICIAL words from Christian that I have just received in an email. This is the complete email, nothing was removed or altered. This email was written to me, and addresses the matters of this thread.
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Mike,
I wanted to thank you for being patient in waiting for your unit. You have been very pleasant to work with and I am sure you will enjoy the panel I made for you very much. The reason for me sending you this email is because of the incredibly never ending negative BYOAC forum posts, which are all being directed at me personally. I have simply had it with the constant jokes and am sick of being fingered by these morons who don't even have an order is with SS and who are simply posting because they have nothing better to do but jump on the "lets F@#$ Chris" bandwagon. As you already know, SS out of business, done, gone, finished, chapter 7 and I have purchased all of the existing stock that SS had on their shelves in hopes to start a new arcade business and continue offering the same quality products that SS has always offered. Additionally, you know that I have conveyed to the industry that I was not the owner and have not one legal tie to SS, so all of this speculative talk about suing me personally, me lying to customers, the attorney general coming down on me is a complete bunch of rubbish, and is just untrue.
I have also conveyed to the community (as you already know) that I personally intended to fill all of the orders from SS customers that have not been filled due to this unfortunate event, out of my own pocket. No one is forcing me to do this, but since my name has been slammed all over the place as me personally being the one behind this whole SS issue, and since I want to continue in this industry, I basically have no choice but to do so if I want to save face and show everyone that hey I'm the one who dimed your SS order out of my pocket, show me some support. Oh and BTW, you have been nothing but nice to me, and thats why you have your new unit on its way (due today I think) as well as others and also because yours was at the top of the list as I am going in order to rectify this nightmare.
Back to what I was saying. I am getting slammed all over the place by one moron after another. I should be looked at as a hero of sorts because these people such as yourself have no recourse in doing a charge back do to the expired time limit to do so. Of course you could always sue the pants of off SS but with their lawyer and the fact that it was an LLC, and everything was done on the up and up as far as when they filled and such, it would be a very lengthly process which I couldn't even comprehend since most if not all were out of state purchases and trying to get money from someone behind an LLC is extremely difficult. In any case and as you can see, I have started to pay off SS debt with vendors such as Mamemarquees and have also started to fill these orders one by one as I go down the list. Some have received their panels and have been posting there and some are already on their way like yours is. In any case, I was trying to save face and make people happy, but plans have changed, let me explain.
I am disgusted about the posts being made about me and have had enough with the bashing and jokes and slandering of my name all over the web by BYOAC members who don't have a clue as to what they are talking about. They all want to bash me, all these ---punks--- who have never even purchased anything or who aren't any of the ones who got burned by SS want to try and ruin my name and any new company before it even starts? Ok thats fine, because of this I am putting a cease on all orders that I was going to be filling out of my pocket. Yes, it has to be done. I am not going to sit here and take over 20k out of my pocket to restock the part inventory, manufacture them and ship them out on my dime just to get bashed and not an ounce of praise in return for doing so. Again, I was hoping and more like expecting to come out of this the good guy for doing something that I absolutely don't have to do and going above and beyond the call of duty. I am happy that you and a few others who were over the alloted charge back time in getting a refund for this whole SS debauchery got their orders but I am at my wits end and I am not and will not continue to dip into my personal $$$ to fund this operation simply to have that fat forum rat, Fozzy and company destroy me in doing so.
I would appreciate it if you could post this for me. You have been a great person to work with and am happy to have filled your order out of my pocket, consider yourself one of the lucky ones who got their order from me, because I will not fill not even a single button order from the former SS customer file list because of this.
I haven't posted anything on those fourns in a long time and I refuse to do so because you cant beat a drunken mob of brainless morons who have no remorse for the unwary. As for all existing customers of SS, who are over the period of time (which I hear is 45 - 90 days and varies from bank to bank) try to get a refund from SS, I recommend that you contact your CC company and inquire about what options you may have to get your money back, but there is just no sense for me to financially fund your orders from SS with the end result being that I am going to constantly be slammed on here and by people who are not even in your situation are going to continue to post many seemingly derogatory and completely fictitious statements with its sole intent to ruin any new arcade related business that I plan start in the future.
In the interim, I will be starting a new arcade company which will offer nothing less than top of the line products regardless of what is said here about me and save the over 20k that I was initially intending to lay out to fill old SS orders before I was simply pushed over the edge in doing so by the posts being made here on BYOAC.
Everyone should know that it was these 15 pages of bashing toward me personally that has caused me to make this decision, and you can thank all of these wonderful people on the BYOAC forums for making that happen! Good luck in your quest to get your money back from SS, there is a long road ahead.
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Wow. What a long winded piece of trash. Amazing that the smart assed comments of 2-3 people can be attributed with being the sole fault of all those people not getting their products. :blah: :blah: I will say that if it wasn't for the outrage of this thread, NONE of these people would have gotten their products. At least a few can now say they did. Can this thread be PH'ed now?
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If it was going to cost hom 20k to fill the orders - how much did they take in without supplying anything?
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(Keep it civil please everyone)
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(Keep it civil please everyone)
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...and why is SLIKSTIK.COM still up and accepting orders?
We are his easy "scapegoat"...blame BYOAC! Wait a second...according to Scott BYOAC only accounts for 15% of his orders, so he's gunna screw the other 85% because of a few vocal "morons" here?
That's what I call a classy individual...
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I would like to add this to anyone who is without money and product. As everyone knows, Slik Stik did almost all of their business out of state. That means this is no longer a state level affair, it is a Federal internet fraud crime. To anyone who has filed with the NJ attorney General, follow up with a report to the internet crime division of the FBI.
http://www.ic3.gov/
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Can this thread be PH'ed now?
Actually, I think that the criterion that Christian specifies is germane and will be critical for those who now have to join the line of SlikStik creditors.
BTW, you have been nothing but nice to me, and thats why you have your new unit on its way
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I'm still waitin on UPS, he usually comes around 5pm
In the meantime, I would like to post, OFFICIAL words from Christian that I have just received in an email. This is the complete email, nothing was removed or altered. This email was written to me, and addresses the matters of this thread.
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Mike,
I wanted to thank you for being patient in waiting for your unit. You have been very pleasant to work with and I am sure you will enjoy the panel I made for you very much. The reason for me sending you this email is because of the incredibly never ending negative BYOAC forum posts, which are all being directed at me personally. I have simply had it with the constant jokes and am sick of being fingered by these morons who don't even have an order is with SS and who are simply posting because they have nothing better to do but jump on the "lets F@#$ Chris" bandwagon. As you already know, SS out of business, done, gone, finished, chapter 7 and I have purchased all of the existing stock that SS had on their shelves in hopes to start a new arcade business and continue offering the same quality products that SS has always offered. Additionally, you know that I have conveyed to the industry that I was not the owner and have not one legal tie to SS, so all of this speculative talk about suing me personally, me lying to customers, the attorney general coming down on me is a complete bunch of rubbish, and is just untrue.
I have also conveyed to the community (as you already know) that I personally intended to fill all of the orders from SS customers that have not been filled due to this unfortunate event, out of my own pocket. No one is forcing me to do this, but since my name has been slammed all over the place as me personally being the one behind this whole SS issue, and since I want to continue in this industry, I basically have no choice but to do so if I want to save face and show everyone that hey I'm the one who dimed your SS order out of my pocket, show me some support. Oh and BTW, you have been nothing but nice to me, and thats why you have your new unit on its way (due today I think) as well as others and also because yours was at the top of the list as I am going in order to rectify this nightmare.
Back to what I was saying. I am getting slammed all over the place by one moron after another. I should be looked at as a hero of sorts because these people such as yourself have no recourse in doing a charge back do to the expired time limit to do so. Of course you could always sue the pants of off SS but with their lawyer and the fact that it was an LLC, and everything was done on the up and up as far as when they filled and such, it would be a very lengthly process which I couldn't even comprehend since most if not all were out of state purchases and trying to get money from someone behind an LLC is extremely difficult. In any case and as you can see, I have started to pay off SS debt with vendors such as Mamemarquees and have also started to fill these orders one by one as I go down the list. Some have received their panels and have been posting there and some are already on their way like yours is. In any case, I was trying to save face and make people happy, but plans have changed, let me explain.
I am disgusted about the posts being made about me and have had enough with the bashing and jokes and slandering of my name all over the web by BYOAC members who don't have a clue as to what they are talking about. They all want to bash me, all these ---punks--- who have never even purchased anything or who aren't any of the ones who got burned by SS want to try and ruin my name and any new company before it even starts? Ok thats fine, because of this I am putting a cease on all orders that I was going to be filling out of my pocket. Yes, it has to be done. I am not going to sit here and take over 20k out of my pocket to restock the part inventory, manufacture them and ship them out on my dime just to get bashed and not an ounce of praise in return for doing so. Again, I was hoping and more like expecting to come out of this the good guy for doing something that I absolutely don't have to do and going above and beyond the call of duty. I am happy that you and a few others who were over the alloted charge back time in getting a refund for this whole SS debauchery got their orders but I am at my wits end and I am not and will not continue to dip into my personal $$$ to fund this operation simply to have that fat forum rat, Fozzy and company destroy me in doing so.
I would appreciate it if you could post this for me. You have been a great person to work with and am happy to have filled your order out of my pocket, consider yourself one of the lucky ones who got their order from me, because I will not fill not even a single button order from the former SS customer file list because of this.
I haven't posted anything on those fourns in a long time and I refuse to do so because you cant beat a drunken mob of brainless morons who have no remorse for the unwary. As for all existing customers of SS, who are over the period of time (which I hear is 45 - 90 days and varies from bank to bank) try to get a refund from SS, I recommend that you contact your CC company and inquire about what options you may have to get your money back, but there is just no sense for me to financially fund your orders from SS with the end result being that I am going to constantly be slammed on here and by people who are not even in your situation are going to continue to post many seemingly derogatory and completely fictitious statements with its sole intent to ruin any new arcade related business that I plan start in the future.
In the interim, I will be starting a new arcade company which will offer nothing less than top of the line products regardless of what is said here about me and save the over 20k that I was initially intending to lay out to fill old SS orders before I was simply pushed over the edge in doing so by the posts being made here on BYOAC.
Everyone should know that it was these 15 pages of bashing toward me personally that has caused me to make this decision, and you can thank all of these wonderful people on the BYOAC forums for making that happen! Good luck in your quest to get your money back from SS, there is a long road ahead.
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Not sure if it will make any difference, but I figured I better quote the entire message just in case someone decides to delete it for whatever reason it's still here...
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I have said, and will always say that Christian is my hero.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/datelessandlate/pacman.jpg)
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I can't edit my post anymore. So I can't delete anything, if saint deletes it he will delete your copy too
BTW, you have been nothing but nice to me, and thats why you have your new unit on its way
Yea as well as other people, you cut that part out, and the part where mine was on the top of the list!!!
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I'm still waitin on UPS, he usually comes around 5pm
In the meantime, I would like to post, OFFICIAL words from Christian that I have just received in an email. This is the complete email, nothing was removed or altered. This email was written to me, and addresses the matters of this thread.
[Snip]..........
Everyone should know that it was these 15 pages of bashing toward me personally that has caused me to make this decision, and you can thank all of these wonderful people on the BYOAC forums for making that happen! Good luck in your quest to get your money back from SS, there is a long road ahead.
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I really can't believe that email.....
Sheesh.......
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I should be looked at as a hero of sorts because these people such as yourself have no recourse in doing a charge back do to the expired time limit to do so.
Nothing will ever, ever top that statement. He thinks of himself as a HERO because he worked at a company that took $20,000 of orders, stopped shipping them for no adequately explained reason, bought the stock himself and then decided to not ship anything because he got some posts on the Internet expressing displeasure with his business practices.
When I think of "hero," Christian Stango comes to the top of the list. Sometimes our heros have feet of clay.
Abraham Lincoln: freed the slaves. Saved the union. Had problems getting supplies from England during the time of crisis, just like how Stango lied about getting I-PACs from England during a time of... well, crisis isn't the right word, because there is absolutely no reason given as to why SS decided to stop shipping one day.
Superman: a true hero in every sense of the word. Worked in the newspaper industry, but didn't pay the advertisers himself, personally, or anything though. Sort of like SlickStick in that regard!
Come oooOOoOOoon! That manifesto was the most self-deluded nonsense I've ever seen. The guys at SlikStick stole twenty thousand dollars from arcade fans and then came up with a BS reason to pocket the money. Stango now has the unmitigated audacity to say that he's taking that product and going to start a NEW company. That e-mail should be forwarded directly to the state attorney's office in New Jersey.
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So I get a 50lb UPS package today... return address is "Hero Of Sorts". I'm like WTF I didn't order anything from them. I open the thing up and it's a decent looking custom CP... but when I try to play it all the joysticks are broken.
Why oh why did he use Nintendo joysticks?!
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I think you're missing the math here. 15% of their business was BYOAC, which was $20k of unshipped orders. That'd leave $133,000 of other people's money they kept, right?
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I think you're missing the math here. 15% of their business was BYOAC, which was $20k of unshipped orders. That'd leave $133,000 of other people's money they kept, right?
Nono, $20k was his "cost" to build the panels. That means the money taken in was probably in the range of $60k.
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Also, I'd like to point out once again that Christian penned the majority of those emails (and phone calls) that caused people to wait out their chargeback time frames.
The others were signed by a mysterious "Paul", that noone seems to be able to confirm exists, and then the generic "Slik Stik Staff" once things started to get real nitty gritty.
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Posting so I am notified of posts in this thread. What a mess.
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Nono, $20k was his "cost" to build the panels. That means the money taken in was probably in the range of $60k.
Labor costs money, both in actual labor (here spent filling an order someone else was paid for) as well as "lost opportunity" labor that he could be making money on with an order for which he actually took money in. I wouldn't be surprised if that is a large chunk of the figure given.
...that is, if the figure isn't just a number pulled out of his ass to make himself look big, which it very likely was.
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I would like to post, OFFICIAL words from Christian that I have just received in an email.
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I am putting a cease on all orders that I was going to be filling out of my pocket. Yes, it has to be done. I am not going to sit here and take over 20k out of my pocket to restock the part inventory, manufacture them and ship them out on my dime just to get bashed and not an ounce of praise in return for doing so.
In case it's not obvious to anybody new who happens to be reading this thread. This is called a self-fulfilling prophecy. If Christian HAD done the right thing and HAD shipped product to people who paid for it, then there would be no reason to bash him. All the naysayers would be wrong (as I noted in my other post). On the other hand, it appears that all the naysayers were entirely 100% correct. Even as he accuses them of being wrong, he proves them right.
Only Christian can decide what Christian is going to do. People are rightfully judged by their actions and not their words. Christian has made the decision to NOT give people the product they paid for. This is his decision and, assuming he sticks to it, he can and should be judged by that decision. Had he made the right decision and provided the product that he himself sold to people, then he would be judged by that decision. However, it appears that he has simply decided to prove that Fozzy was 100% correct. This was his decision and his decision alone.
just keep in mind what Scott Glazer of Mameroom.com has said over and over and over again because at that point you'll have to admit that 'he told you so':
If you don't get your panel, it was because "MANY members here [who] NEVER purchased anything from SlikStik ruin[ed] it for [you]" click for Scott's full quote (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg779122#msg779122)
If you don't get your panel, it was because "The continuing flamewar... ensure[d] that [you did] not [get your panel]" click for Scott's full quote (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg778998#msg778998)
If you don't get your panel, it was because "as a result of a continued tirade [you lost]" click for Scott's full quote (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg779122#msg779122)
If you don't get your panel, it was because "the only thing people of this forum [did was to end up] screwing people" click for Scott's full quote (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg778886#msg778886)
If you don't get your panel, it was because "comments from people in this forum prevent[ed it] from happening" click for Scott's full quote (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg780276#msg780276)
If you don't get your panel, it was because "[posters in this thread were] screwing [you] just as much as SS" click for Scott's full quote (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg779122#msg779122)
It's just as Scott Glazer of mameroom.com threatened. The reason people got ripped off is because of this thread. Either STFU or nobody gets what they paid for. Unbelievable.
Wait a minute...I think people are misinterpreting my posts. I in no way "Blame" anyone here.
Then whose fault is it, Scott? Whose fault is it that nobody else is getting their panels? In post after post after post after post you made it 100% clear that if people didn't get their panels, it would be because of this thread. If/then, if/then, if/then. You don't have to be a CS major to understand these basic concepts. If "a" happens, then "b" will happen. IF Fozzy posts, THEN nobody gets what they paid for.
Christian has made it clear that HE is blaming this thread. You made it clear with post after post after post after post, yet you denied that you were blaming anybody here (YOUR words "I in no way "Blame" anyone here". So tell us, after all your posts saying it would be the fault of people in this thread, and then denying that you were blaming anyone in this thread, now that it's come to pass (as so many predicted it would) and Christian directly blames Fozzy, whose fault is it that these paying customers don't get their product?
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I can't edit my post anymore. So I can't delete anything, if saint deletes it he will delete your copy too
It's OK, I saved a copy ...
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Well, according to a WHOIS report SlikStik.com only averages 900 and change unique hits per month. That is pretty weak frankly...my boating newspapers website gets over 20K unique visitors per month and it only covers So. Cal.
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Also, I'd like to point out once again that Christian penned the majority of those emails (and phone calls) that caused people to wait out their chargeback time frames.
In true heroic fashion, he stayed on the phone for long hours, putting in tireless nights in order to glad-handle his way into getting people past their CC chargeback limits, all so he could selflessly take the flimsiest of reasons to hoard the product for himself and leave his previous obligations wholly unfulfilled.
I am LOVING the fact that he references his new business in that mail. He's totally cool with 200-some odd people (a guess: 200 people at a $100 order a piece) having to fight for scraps in the class action lawsuit that's coming, thrilled to death that he got the physical merchandise safely out of there. You couldn't have written that any better if you were attempting to cobble together a fake e-mail that totally destroys his reputation for life. Everything we said about him was 100% correct. Somehow, calling him out on his BS and predicting his movements every step of the way made us all "morons." (Morons with some kind of unexplained drinking problem as well, looking back.)
I'll give the kid that only speaks with the keys from ~ to backspace credit: his dogged determination to support a guy who apparently just concocted one of the greatest scams in the entire history of arcades certainly got him his product.
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Well this is technically bigger than Harpal in scope. Wait...Christian IS Harpal.
...I couldn't resist, and in case someone gets confused, this is a JOKE.
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Here's the other thing - people had more or less layed off the last day and a half. I saw people starting to get their panels, and I was certainly not going to post further. Why would I? There was real progress, and none of this "it will be shipped in a week" nonsense. In fact, I would absolutely have given the guy credit for completing all the outstanding orders. (And, should it happen, I still will. Everyone gets a second chance in this country.)
When was the last post of the horrible "troll brigade"? Sometime on page 14? 15 was mostly lurkers registering to give their experiences. In fact, Saint asked that this thread become fact-based - who/what/when/how, and I was certainly going to respect his wishes. Say what you will about this thread, but I think this community does a pretty good job adhering to the wishes of our host.
So if you want to play the conspiracy game, it seems we got that e-mail about everyone's orders going unfinished only after the abuse was going to stop and he couldn't use that as an excuse any more.
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I should be looked at as a hero of sorts because these people such as yourself have no recourse in doing a charge back do to the expired time limit to do so.
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa111/PapaFriz/stango.jpg)
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What an ---uvula---.
Definitely not buying anything from mameroom since their product comes from him. Somebody needs to rat out his new company...that he won't be in charge of.
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Somebody needs to rat out his new company...that he won't be in charge of.
I think the point that Scott G. was making with the 15%/85% business comments is that Christian's main income does/will come from companies that don't care what anybody on BYOAC thinks.
The impression that I got was that the majority of SlikStik's sales go directly to a number of other distributors like Happ, Mameroom and others. Therefore it's not like a BYOAC boycott of "SlikStik 2" is going to mean anything. His company will continue to do business with other businesses and be successful because of that. So unless there is a massive boycott against ALL of those other businesses including Happ (and a number of which are completely unknown at this point) there is not much BYOAC can do to "stop" Christian anyway.
I could be wrong on what Scott's point was, but I believe that's why he said:
"This forum accounts for less than 15% of all sales generated for SlikStik (I learned this whan trying to acquire the company)....So attempting to tarnish or derail any future company formed by Chris will ultimately be a futile waste of time. "
Whether that is true or not is debateable, I guess. I believe that Scott is probably stating what he believes is true, but I have no way to know if the 15% number is accurate or not. Nor do I have any way of knowing if BYOAC members' attempts to "tarnish or derail any future company formed by Chris" will be a "waste of time" or not.
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i am starting my company back up after a year and a half break after my dad/cabinet maker died. i already told mameroom in another thread here that i would be buying my panels from him, but with his contuined use of slikstik products i need to distance my self and my company from him. yes i said slikstik products, no matter what is says on paper we all know christian was running slikstik. even if he was not the "owner" he was running things. to say that he was just a supplier to slikstik is an lie. what was his name here on byoac...... oh yeah SLIKSTIKchristian. when you called slikstik who answered the phone and took my order .....christian. yes i did order 2 panels from slikstick years ago. one was a custom one that he not only drilled completely wrong but installed the wrong joysticks. that one was a test to see if he could handle what i needed. i even talked to him on the phone and told him if he sent me what i ordered i would use his panels on all my machines. i guess he didn't want to sell an extra 8-10 panels a year. the other was a blank panel, i figured he couldn't screw that up and i was right.
to mameroom: i am sorry i had to make this decesion but i can not help support someone who scams people out of their money. if and when you stop using christians panels please let me know and i would be happy to do business with you.
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So how does one get in contact with Christian???!
I placed my order for a blank pannel back in Oct. and no word yet. I have emailed and called with no response :cry:
... get in touch with Mega24, he seems to have Christian's private number. ;)
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The length to which this thread has needed to expose SlikStik's shonky business practices, is demonstrated by the popularity of this thread.
A new record shall soon be set :
BYOAC "Sticky" FAQ and bookmarks thread: 22,970 page views
Slik Stik - Any Word: 21,977 page views (and counting). :notworthy:
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So how does one get in contact with Christian???!
I placed my order for a blank pannel back in Oct. and no word yet. I have emailed and called with no response :cry:
... get in touch with Mega24, he seems to have Christian's private number.
I think the only way to get in touch with him was to have your funds reversed through paypal or the CC company. Apparently if people did that he would suddenly respond. Seems like he was just leading people on so they would stick out the 45 or 90 day period and after that when recovering the money was no longer an option, Christian would stop answering and just didn't deliver anything. I wonder if that isn't something you can go to jail for.
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A new record shall soon be set :
BYOAC "Sticky" FAQ and bookmarks thread: 22,970 page views
Slik Stik - Any Word: 21,977 page views (and counting). :notworthy:
FWIW, it's not even in the top ten. #1 is:
"WOW New LightGUN Info !!! Woot!!! :)" 97978 views
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The first slikstik thread got PH'd. I don't remember how many page views it had.
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it's not even in the top ten.
OK, maybe not a record.
But still pretty impressive, given its popularity shall soon overtake the Official BYOAC, and Sticky, FAQ's and Bookmarks thread.
The first slikstik thread got PH'd. I don't remember how many page views it had.
Exactly,
If you combine the tally with all the prior SlikStik threads that have been "Sent to Hell", I'd be betting it WOULD be the #1 thread.
:applaud:
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Then whose fault is it, Scott? Whose fault is it that nobody else is getting their panels? In post after post after post after post you made it 100% clear that if people didn't get their panels, it would be because of this thread. If/then, if/then, if/then. You don't have to be a CS major to understand these basic concepts. If "a" happens, then "b" will happen. IF Fozzy posts, THEN nobody gets what they paid for.
Christian has made it clear that HE is blaming this thread. You made it clear with post after post after post after post, yet you denied that you were blaming anybody here (YOUR words "I in no way "Blame" anyone here". So tell us, after all your posts saying it would be the fault of people in this thread, and then denying that you were blaming anyone in this thread, now that it's come to pass (as so many predicted it would) and Christian directly blames Fozzy, whose fault is it that these paying customers don't get their product?
I have tried from the very beginning to let everyone know that I knew what was going to happen...it was a warning. Not a warning from me, I don't care one way or the other (anymore)...but a warning based on the information that I learned from Chris. ...see all the flack I took because of it, and noone benefitted. Kinda frustrating.
to mameroom: i am sorry i had to make this decesion but i can not help support someone who scams people out of their money. if and when you stop using christians panels please let me know and i would be happy to do business with you.
I understand...but be sure to purchase all of your controls from somewhere other than Happ...and make sure the vendor you use, doesn't use Happ controls. They too (just like us) resell Christians products. So a boycott of this type may be more ingrained than you think. I won't call out the SEVERAL other big vendors as they may wish to remain anonymous at this point.
I'm sure that once Christians new business is up and running, that we will no longer offer The Classic, Co2, or Quad Ultimate controllers.
I think the point that Scott G. was making with the 15%/85% business comments is that Christian's main income does/will come from companies that don't care what anybody on BYOAC thinks.
Yes, exactly what I was trying to convey...sorry if it could be interpreted a different way.
This whole thing is a shame.
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I think the only way to get in touch with him was to have your funds reversed through paypal or the CC company. Apparently if people did that he would suddenly respond. Seems like he was just leading people on so they would stick out the 45 or 90 day period and after that when recovering the money was no longer an option, Christian would stop answering and just didn't deliver anything. I wonder if that isn't something you can go to jail for.
Yes ... Christian's delaying tactics are legendary.
Some classic excuses, to name a few :
** Trackballs shortage at Happs. :blah:
** Printing problem with overlays provided my Mamemarquees. :blah:
** Dodgy batch of I-PAC's received from Ultimarc. :blah:
** Holiday season rush period. :blah:
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to mameroom: i am sorry i had to make this decesion but i can not help support someone who scams people out of their money. if and when you stop using christians panels please let me know and i would be happy to do business with you.
I understand...but be sure to purchase all of your controls from somewhere other than Happ...and make sure the vendor you use, doesn't use Happ controls. They too (just like us) resell Christians products. So a boycott of this type may be more ingrained than you think. I won't call out the SEVERAL other big vendors as they may wish to remain anonymous at this point.
Well I guess he won't be buying slik stik panels from Happ either no.
It's not so much a general boycot of a whole supplier, but to not buy the product from a tainted seller through another channel.
What surprises me is that no one from BYOAC simply takes over this business. Some people here make control panels that are better quality than what Slik Stik offers and I'm sure they could make a nice income based on those prices. I guess no one had realized this was such big business.
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Other than the box, what does Christian create? He doesn't do the sticks. He doesn't do the buttons. He doesn't do the trackballs. He doesn't do the encoder. He doesn't do the artwork.
So I ask again...other than the stupid wooden boxes, what does Christian actually PRODUCE that Happ and other vendors want to sell?
If I remember correctly even his spinners are Ultimarc products.
EDIT: It seems that the only thing on HAPP's site that mentions SlikStik is the Tornado Spinner... I am not sure if that is the spinner that they did in conjunction with Ultimarc or not, but it doesn't matter since the GGG spinner is a much better spinner anyway.
I do admit their spinner tops are nice.
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I'd take it on, but I pretty happy where I am at and the console stick market.
Maybe someday, just not anytime soon. We'll see what happens with this whole mess.
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We need a BOYCOTT MAMEROOM <-- "Supporter of Christian and Slikstik's business tactics" signature for people to use over at BYOAC...
Let him see see the pressure the BYOAC community has, maybe then he'll out xtian's new company....
What other businesses do business with Christian and Slikstik?
can someone whip something up in PS?
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Our original plan was to step up and take over new SS customers by making our own panels (which we did for a short while)...but the amount of work vs. the amount of profit wasn't justified at the time...so why not just distribute. If mameroom didn't distribute, I'm sure there are plently of people that would have stepped up to do so. "profit" is not a dirty word, as my father always said...
Granted, that my posting in here has turned a handfull away from my business, but I'm glad I did it...as I am an honest man and would not be honest with myself sitting back WATCHING others push Chris to his limits, knowing full well that people would get screwed in the process.
..I guess that's my punishment and the price I pay, and I accept it (I Still think I did nothing wrong).
We need a BOYCOTT MAMEROOM <-- "Supporter of Christian and Slikstik's business tactics" signature for people to use over at BYOAC...
...Grab your torch and pitchfork!!!
Let him see see the pressure the BYOAC community has
Power to the people!
...I apoligize to the rest of the forum, but this guy's and idiot (sorry saint, but the truth shall ring free, and LOUD).
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Let him see see the pressure the BYOAC community has
Power to the people!
...I apoligize to the rest of the forum, but this guy's and idiot (sorry saint, but the truth shall ring free, and LOUD).
So Scott or shall I say Mameroom LLC... since Scott can claim "protection" by being merely an "employee" of mameroom...because you backed xtian through this whole thread and you didn't like my last comment you decided that I was an idiot... Very classy of you... No worries, you have ensured that I will never become a customer of yours no matter how far you decide to distance yourself from xtian or sliktik..
As far as I'm concerned you are no better than he is.....
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Then whose fault is it, Scott? Whose fault is it that nobody else is getting their panels? In post after post after post after post you made it 100% clear that if people didn't get their panels, it would be because of this thread. If/then, if/then, if/then. You don't have to be a CS major to understand these basic concepts. If "a" happens, then "b" will happen. IF Fozzy posts, THEN nobody gets what they paid for.
Christian has made it clear that HE is blaming this thread. You made it clear with post after post after post after post, yet you denied that you were blaming anybody here (YOUR words "I in no way "Blame" anyone here". So tell us, after all your posts saying it would be the fault of people in this thread, and then denying that you were blaming anyone in this thread, now that it's come to pass (as so many predicted it would) and Christian directly blames Fozzy, whose fault is it that these paying customers don't get their product?
I have tried from the very beginning to let everyone know that I knew what was going to happen...it was a warning. Not a warning from me, I don't care one way or the other (anymore)...but a warning based on the information that I learned from Chris. ...see all the flack I took because of it, and noone benefitted. Kinda frustrating.
The problem I have is that you are choosing to blame BYOAC members and are NOT blaming Christian. THAT is an issue for me. THAT speaks to your character. THAT tells me more about you, the way you see this situation and how you think it should go than anything else.
You could have said:
IF Christian wants to prove the naysayer's wrong, THEN he will fulfill the orders.
You could have said:
IF you want to see that Christian is legitimate, THEN you will see it when he fulfills the orders.
You could have said:
BECAUSE I know Christian is a good guy, he WILL fulfill the orders.
But instead, you chose to come here and blame the victims, implicitly letting Christian off the hook. You chose to side with the guy who SOLD these items and then did not deliver. You chose to speak AGAINST the innocent and FOR the perpetrator.
I said it before and I'll say it again. Each person is responsible for their own actions. Christian BLAMING a couple naysayers in a BYOAC thread for NOT fulfilling orders that HE himself was responsible for is RIDICULOUS. You (Scott) backing him up on that twisted logic is equally ridiculous. Any reasonable person understands that the way to prove your enemies wrong is TO PROVE THEM WRONG. Instead, Christian decided to prove them right. He chose to show the world that he was just as unreasonable as people were saying. The fact that you supported him in this thread and you continue to support him financially through sales tells everybody more about you than you probably would have hoped.
You still refuse to say whose fault this is. You stated earlier (despite the fact that I read all of your other posts and see you repeatedly blaming everybody BUT Christian) that you "in no way "Blame" anyone here". Well, your prediction has come to pass. Apparantly Christian is NOT going to fulfill the orders that he himself was responsible for generating and for leading on for months at a time. Now that that has happened, I'd like to hear you clearly state who is responsible for that happening. You've said it's nobody here at BYOAC. You haven't said it's Christian's fault. So whose fault is it? Somebody is responsible for this happening. Somebody is responsible for these people getting ripped off. Who is it?
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Scott,
At first I applauded you stepping up and helping those who got screwed by SS...
...what I think you fail to see is that as of late you seem to be promoting taking the blame off Christian and SS and putting it on US HERE IN THIS FORUM which is complete and utter rubbish.
The fact that you still consider Chris someone you'd be willing to do ongoing business with is extremely telling.
As an "honest man", why in the hell would you associate yourself with a "dishonest man"? As an "honest man", why would you CONTINUE to defend the guy? As an "honest man" why would you even want to TOUCH this mess with a 10 foot pole?
You really rub some folks the wrong way by defending the fraudulent tactics of SS and by continuing to put Chris on a pedestal all the while berating those who are GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT!
Do you know SS's website is still up TAKING ORDERS? Do you support that way of doing business?
At the beginning of this thread I really did think you were out to try to help out the community and perhaps make a couple bucks in the process (nothing wrong with that), but as of late, what is coming from you sounds like a Christian - SS spin machine and frankly it's a huge turn off.
Honestly, I'd never purchase a panel from you anyway, so you didn't lose a customer in me (I'd rather build my own)....but damn bro, you are literally coming in here and pissing on your customer base by defending SS the way you are.
Just my humble opinion. Good luck bro.
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careful Frizzle,
Scott will call you an idiot too....
it appears he's turned to name calling to win his fight.....
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I have tried from the very beginning to let everyone know that I knew what was going to happen...it was a warning. Not a warning from me, I don't care one way or the other (anymore)...but a warning based on the information that I learned from Chris. ...see all the flack I took because of it, and noone benefitted. Kinda frustrating.
I am truly saddened by this latest development.
MAMERoomScott HAS been very clear that people who continued to post opinions that did not shine favourably upon the HERO would be to blame for people not getting their panels, regardless of how much truth and fact was involved. As the guy who has perhaps been the most outspoken about not trusting SlikStikChristian/Xtian, I feel a little sick about this, even though Xtian/SlikStikChristian decided to single out Fozzy above all others.
I myself asked MAMERoomScott point blank in a PM why it would possibly be that Xtian would hold legitimate, paid customers hostage because he did not like what people like me were saying (even when it was true). I did not get a direct answer to that question, although I did get a response that indicated, clearly, that "he will NOT get people's panels out if he has to pay for them out of his own pocket if his name keeps getting thrown around".
Many of you have noted that I stopped posting regarding Xtian immediately thereafter, as requested.
Sadly, it seems that MaximRecoil was entirely correct in his assessment.
For those of you who are missing orders and whom have crossed the chargeback line, I would recommend taking specific note of the timelines and, in particular, those who told you to sit back and wait -- your banks/legal representatives will want that information (I am not a lawyer and am not involved in any legal claims in this matter, so this should not be construed as legal advice, rather as general advice regarding questions you may be asked in trying to recover your losses).
I am truly sorry that it has come to this and while some may suggest that I, or others like me, have been selfish and brought this misfortune down on everybody, that is simply not the case now, nor has it ever been.
:'(
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I freely admit I am an idiot (call that a pre-emptive strike I guess).
That doesn't change the fact that MAMEROOM's website now features the entire SS lineup of control panels being actively sold while other prior SS customers are getting the shaft. How "Honest" is that Scott? Seriously.
Don't believe me? Check out http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_controllers.asp
They are even selling the overlays with SS logo on them, etc.
So Scott...you're an "honest man"....how can you, now knowing that SS/Chris doesn't intend to get prior customers their panels, do business with him and offer his product on your site? Is that what an "honest man" would do?
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I had my lawyer do some digging. I have discovered Christiaan's new business.
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while some may suggest that I, or others like me, have been selfish and brought this misfortune down on everybody, that is simply not the case now, nor has it ever been.
I want to repeat what I've said over and over, which is that it's RIDICULOUS to blame folks like Cheffo and Fozzy for somebody else's decision to take advantage of customers. Utterly ridiculous.
I also want to echo and extrapolate on something that was said previously by somebody else:
- It was not UNTIL this thread that people started getting the products they paid for.
- There is NO indication prior to this thread that Christian was going to make good on these orders.
- Despite efforts to make it seem like this thread was the CAUSE of the problem, there is evidence that it was actually a solution to some people's problems.
- I see NO evidence that this thread was the cause of anybody getting ripped off. On the contrary, I see evidence that this thread actually GOT some people their product.
So KUDOS to those who posted the truth in this thread, and shame on the people who wish to silence them.
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People..regarding Scott Glazer/Mameroom Designs LLC...what is so hard to grasp?
-Why is everyone so interested in "where's the blame"? Does it matter? Will it get you your money back? Will it get you your product?
The blame can be put on ECONOMICS (who really cares at this point).
People are so out for blood that they'll settle for Mameroom, since they can't get to SS or Christian...it really is pathetic.
I do not "Back" christian. I am taking "His" money. What is so hard to understand? Everyone seems to think that I'm standing up for him...but because I understand the nature of economics and business and have not jumped on the "kill chris" bandwagon...people have nothing left but to associate me/mameroom with him...pathetic.
If I am rubbing people the wrong way by saying that pissing chris off will not get other's their panels...then I'm I truely am sorry, but...Given that FACT, that certain people in here could care less about whether or not other received their panels...and the FACT that Chris publicly (even though through a 3rd party) stated that this was the EXACT reason for not doing was I knew would happen. Let's say I blame them for DELIBERATELY pissing chris off enough to not fullfill his promise to get people's products out...but we ALL know that's what they wanted from the beginning to add fuel to THEIR fire. Selfish.
As for a boycott of my business. Every time someone posts in this thread, it keeps it at the top of the list which keeps getting indexed by the search engines. I've had more visitors to my site in the past week than (well, probably ever). I've made more sales from customer reading about our great products and personal service that really don't care that I distribute another companies products who had questionable tactics.
My presence here was to warn people to help others...now that has been ruined. I will remain here to defend my Company and my actions...as it has been serving me well to do so.
As for if MY actions are honest....I'm a business man. Just because some customers had bad experiences with Christian, should everyone that hasn't had problems just drop him? I was honest with people. I was honest in letting everyone know that there was a chance...but face it, no one wanted to listen.
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-Why is everyone so interested in "where's the blame"? Does it matter? Will it get you your money back? Will it get you your product?
The blame can be put on ECONOMICS (who really cares at this point).
One answer is that I do, because somebody decided to blame me, and others like me, and question our motives in continuing to warn people.
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People..regarding Scott Glazer/Mameroom Designs LLC...what is so hard to grasp?
-Why is everyone so interested in "where's the blame"? Does it matter? Will it get you your money back? Will it get you your product?
The blame can be put on ECONOMICS (who really cares at this point).
WTF?? Ask the guys who are getting shafted "who cares". Does it matter? Well scotty, I guess it doesn't damn well matter to you, that's painfully obvious. You know damn well you would do the same thing, and you have said as much. I'll tell you what's pathetic...crooks like stango, and their henchmen like you. People, REAL people got criminally ripped off, and you stand there and say "who cares who's fault it was!"
I'll tell you what's pathetic, we're looking at it.
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I am new to this board and new to the MAME thing. The last thing I want is to get involved in a flame war of opinions and ego's. However I do want to share my experience with both Scott and Christian, so others can form their own opinions based upon facts.
First - Scott. A friend and I ordered 2 cabinets from him. Both were shipped immediately and conversations with Scott were very professional and excellent. The cabinets arrived with a few damaged pieces (from the goons at UPS), Scott immediately and without question sent replacements. (Sorry the UPS thing is opinion...but seems like half the stuff I get shipped to me from them is damaged by them)...Back to Scott....very nice, professional, repsonsive person. I would do business with him anytime.
Christian - First let me say that I had zero knowledge of any issues with slik stik or Christian when I placed my order. If I had read this board before ordering, I probably would have used another company.
I phoned slik stik on Nov 14 and left a message that I wanted to order 2 control planels. Christian called me back that evening. He was very professional, and we talked for a while about what I wanted. Christian was very clear with me, that it was very unlikely that I would get the panels before Xmas. He made it a point to explain that I was looking at roughly 6 weeks and he estimated a ship date of early January. I placed the order with him on Nov 15.
On December 20th, I sent Christian an email to inquire about status, just to see if by some slim chance I would get the panels before Xmas. Christian repsonded to my email the same day and once again was very professional and advised we were still on target for early January.
On December 28th a colleague of mine (who I talked into building his own system), asked what Control Panel I went with. I told him Slik Stik, and he graciously sent me a link to this sight. To say the least, I was shocked. I phoned Christian and left a very simple message that I had a question about my order (I did not mention anything about this forum). Christian called me back the same day, and we talked for a while, discussed this forum, and I expressed some concern. He assured me we were on track for an early january ship date.
On January 2, Christian phoned and emailed me the tracking number for 1 of the panels. he explained that the second panel was waiting on one more part that was due in the next day. On January 3 Christian emailed me the second tracking number.
Both panels have arrived, and cosmetically are flawless. They are exactly what I ordered, and from the initial testing I have done..both appear 100% functional.
Would I order form Christian again, absolutely. He was always professional, always ressponsive, and shipped exactly when he said he would.
Like I mentioned in the beginning, I do not want to get into a fight with anyone. I just wanted to share my experience and how I was treated as a customer.
From reading this board, I did alot of worrying for nothing.
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I do not "Back" christian. I am taking "His" money.
NO! You are taking the money of folks who paid for panels they didn't get! And to do so is DISHONEST. An HONEST man wouldn't do such a thing.
What is so hard to understand? Everyone seems to think that I'm standing up for him...but because I understand the nature of economics and business and have not jumped on the "kill chris" bandwagon...people have nothing left but to associate me/mameroom with him...pathetic.
No...we hoped that you, being an HONEST MAN wouldn't associate with a dishonest man once it was clear that man was dishonest and wasn't planning on suddenly becoming honest.
If I am rubbing people the wrong way by saying that pissing chris off will not get other's their panels...then I'm I truely am sorry, but...Given that FACT, that certain people in here could care less about whether or not other received their panels...and the FACT that Chris publicly (even though through a 3rd party) stated that this was the EXACT reason for not doing was I knew would happen. Let's say I blame them for DELIBERATELY pissing chris off enough to not fullfill his promise to get people's products out...but we ALL know that's what they wanted from the beginning to add fuel to THEIR fire. Selfish.
And you are calling US PATHETIC? :dizzy:
As for a boycott of my business. Every time someone posts in this thread, it keeps it at the top of the list which keeps getting indexed by the search engines. I've had more visitors to my site in the past week than (well, probably ever). I've made more sales from customer reading about our great products and personal service that really don't care that I distribute another companies products who had questionable tactics.
So much for the "honest man" claim.
My presence here was to warn people to help others...no that has been ruined. I will remain here to defend my Company and my actions...as it has been serving me well to do so.
No...your presence here was to make a buck. Your true colors are shining through. Bravo!
As for if MY actions are honest....I'm a business man.
Then why LIE and say you're an "honest man"? Why not just come out and be "HONEST" and say it's about the dough?
I know as an HONEST MAN myself, I'd not want to associate with a DISHONEST company, but I guess thats the "idiot" in me. Thanks for clarifying exactly where yous stand (finally). It's all about the greenbacks.
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-Why is everyone so interested in "where's the blame"? Does it matter? Will it get you your money back? Will it get you your product?
That has do be the most ridiculous statement in this thread
People who steal (or are accomplices in theft) should go to jail. That's why they need to be blamed. At the very least other people need to be warned about the thief so he won't steal from people again.
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I'm new hear, thanks for the information. Forums like these are nice and valuable. I am sorry though about the people that didn't get their products.
Isn't what Slikstick are doing now seeing as their site is up and taking orders an offence. If they have folded as a company aren't they now trading insolvent? This at least over here in Australia is quite serious.
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sitting back WATCHING others push Chris to his limits
Oh, that poor fellow, how we feel for him ...
What about the LIMITS that have plumbed for the past 12 months, by the people who've been SCREWED of their money ?? :
I placed my order in March of 2007 and never received my panel. For those of you that have recently received your panels, did Christian contact you out of the blue and tell you he was going to get it out? If he contacted you, what method did he use: telephone, letter, email? If you contacted him, how was it that you made contact with him? If you telephoned him, what number did you call? If you emailed him, what address did you use? My last contact with SlikStik was on October 2, 2007. My story was posted much earlier in this thread. I was calling almost everyday and emailing with no repsonse.
Scott, maybe you also have an opinion on this, given Christian is your best buddy :
...and why is SLIKSTIK.COM still up and accepting orders?
Scott, I don't agree with any boycotts against your business in general, but I can't see the SlikStik line of panels being a winner for your reputation.
Especially with your distasteful defence of Christian, and your justification of his scamming people money :
The fact of the matter is...whether Chris is or was just an employee (which is my understanding) or a partner, or even the owner of SlikStik LLC...It is an LLC which protects him personally...unless you wrote a check out to "Christian S" directly. I know this, because I have several LLCs set up by my attorney and business consultant for this very reason.
Oh, so you believe it's OK for LLC's to scam people's money, do you ??
Geez ...
That just "fills you with confidence" in placing an order with Mameroom Designs LLC, for a SlikStik panel, manufactured by Christian ...
As for why someone should order from Mameroom even if they come from Christian...In the event that the panels we offer are not available from the original manufacturer, Mameroom will manufacture them ourselves, thus the ability to "guarantee" to get a panel out. If not from him, from us.
Given your distasteful defence of Christian's business practices that have left people "high and dry", people may start to question your ethics, and the value of YOUR OWN "guarantee".
You'd be best advised to scupper this misguided business venture with Christian, while you're still ahead.
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The problem with "free speech" is that it can sometimes hurt people, who does everyone think got hurt in this one?
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Just get lost with your extortion nonsense. You want people here to hush about a scammer becuase he's is claiming that otherwise he won't help the people he scammed.
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So Scott...you're an "honest man"....how can you, now knowing that SS/Chris doesn't intend to get prior customers their panels, do business with him and offer his product on your site? Is that what an "honest man" would do?
Scott's clearly not the honest man he claims to be if he really thinks it's a-effing-ok to take peoples' money and not deliver the product because you're legally protected from having to deliver.
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As for my ethics...MY customers mean 100% to me....let me repeat that....MY customers come first. If you order through Mameroom...satisfaction is guaranteed. Blowing my own horn, have you heard of a dissatisfied Mameroom customer?
If people don't want to buy mameroom products for reasons other than quality and customer service. Don't kid yourself...we didn't have your business to begin with.
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The problem with "free speech" is that it can sometimes hurt people, who does everyone think got hurt in this one?
Sure wasn't SS or YOU...
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Sure wasn't SS or YOU...
My thoughts exatly...it was the people that didn't get their panels.
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As for my ethics...MY customers mean 100% to me....let me repeat that....MY customers come first. If you order through Mameroom...satisfaction is guaranteed. Blowing my own horn, have you heard of a dissatisfied Mameroom customer?
If people don't want to buy mameroom products for reasons other than quality and customer service. Don't kid yourself...we didn't have your business to begin with.
But its OK for you to take SS/Chis money knowing full well that HIS/THEIR customers got ---fouled up beyond all recognition---? Nice. You truly are a --cream-filled twinkie-- of the highest order.
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Just get lost with your extortion nonsense. You want people here to hush about a scammer becuase he's is claiming that otherwise he won't help the people he scammed.
No, I wanted to warn people that Chris was getting close to backing out of what he said he would do...but everyone wants blood and mine appears to be what they are getting.
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The problem with "free speech" is that it can sometimes hurt people, who does everyone think got hurt in this one?
Um the people who got hurt here, weren't hurt by free speech, they were hurt by somebody taking their money and not delivering their goods. And then again by somebody telling them to wait it out and not process chargebacks or pursue legal options.
If you want to continue with the "free speech denied you your panel" crap, then at least sack up and say who exactly you blame for people not getting their panels.
You have been dancing around it and have implicated innocent people in it, but you refuse to actually say it.
So, WHO is at fault here ?
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No, I wanted to warn people that Chris was getting close to backing out of what he said he would do
For posterity ...
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Well, didn't other vendors publicly state (In here) that they TOO are doing business with Chris...because I'm in the crosshairs...I'm a --meecrob-bag---?
What about the people that posted that they ordered (after the SS problems) and got their products...they got a congrats!
I'm just a --meecrob-bag--- ....that's cool.
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If people don't want to buy mameroom products for reasons other than quality and customer service. Don't kid yourself...we didn't have your business to begin with.
You certainly lost mine. I was thinking of upgrading my current panel with a modified quad from you (before you started dishing out your oh-so-wise advice), but knowing the source of your products? Don't think so.
Also, how stupid are you to blame US for a decision that was Christian's and Christian's alone? It was a really effing immature decision, at that.
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This thread is getting a time out... It'll be postable again tomorrow. Without asking anyone to change their minds on anything, please take a breather on the subject.
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OK - if you can read this then you can post in this thread again. Read this first please.
This kind of thread really puts me at a loss. I want BYOAC to be a friendly place -- arcade stuff is a fun hobby by and large after all! I'm not totally naive though, and I know people are going to butt heads from time to time. In that light all I ask is that people do so courteously, without profanity, without direct personal attacks (if you must, take it to PM), and generally without dragging the forum as a whole down... I don't expect to really achieve that all the time either, but it'd be nice if it was generally true, and as a whole I think it is.
So... threads like this leave me at a loss. Despite my habit of editing out things when they get nasty, I really really really hate censorship. Regardless of which side you're on this is an important issue in the community. On one hand you have a vendor's livelihood at stake, on the other you have people who've lost money from their pockets. I think it's important both sides are heard in a situation like this, and my and BYOAC's official stance is to be neutral.
But this thread keeps getting nastier and nastier and is spilling out to other areas as well. While this discussion is important to the parties directly involved and to potential future customers, as the forum owner I wince at the pain it's causing the site in general. First I put the thread in timeout and then I put the whole forum in timeout, so I could go to bed without worrying about what was happening. Meh - that's not fair to everyone else on the forum.
And so I'm getting on one knee -- there -- and begging, please, pretty please, tone it down on all sides? My doctor says I have high blood pressure.
(oh, and keep it to one thread please)
Thanks!
--- saint
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I think I speak for the vast majority of us when I say we don't want to see you in pain Saint...at least not without you video taping it for us to point and laugh at later down the road...
...and for that reason, I will try...TRY...to keep my arguments civil.
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SAINT LOVES BYOAC!
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I'm essentially done being an active participant in this thread. I'll probably keep reading, and I might steal FrizzleFried's sigpic. ;)
saint, I hope you didn't find me as rude as I sometimes am and that I didn't annoy you. :notworthy:
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I understand...but be sure to purchase all of your controls from somewhere other than Happ...and make sure the vendor you use, doesn't use Happ controls. They too (just like us) resell Christians products. So a boycott of this type may be more ingrained than you think. I won't call out the SEVERAL other big vendors as they may wish to remain anonymous at this point.
I'm sure that once Christians new business is up and running, that we will no longer offer The Classic, Co2, or Quad Ultimate controllers.i stopped using happs years ago. in case you didn't know all they are is a middleman anyway. just about everything they sell can be bought from their suppliers cheaper. but my point wasn't to boycott every company that works with christian. i just don't want to put any money in HIS pocket. i wouldn't have any problem buying other things from you as long as it wasn't anything that was made by christian or put money in his pocket. i just cant run my business and expect a good reputation by dealing with a known scam artist. i don't want anyone to think i will pull up stakes and screw people out of their money as he has. my dad once told me "you are judged by the people you associate with". dont get me wrong i am not by any means telling you how you should run your business. its yours to run the way you want. i am just explaining how i want to run mine. my earlier offer was sincere, if you part ways with christian please let me know. i could use a good cp maker for my machines.
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People..regarding Scott Glazer/Mameroom Designs LLC...what is so hard to grasp?
-Why is everyone so interested in "where's the blame"? Does it matter? Will it get you your money back? Will it get you your product?
Are you kidding me??? Of course it matters. It's about responsibility. It's about what's right and wrong. And, as far as it concerns you, it's about the fact that you actually came here and chose to blame BYOAC members for Christian's actions.
That's the only reason I posted in this thread at all. You did it the first time and I cringed. You did it in a second post and I was shocked. You did it in a third post, and my jaw dropped. You did it in a fourth post, and I felt I had to say something about it. Over and over you repeatedly blamed people in this thread for being the reason that customers were not going to get what they paid for.
You cast blame on people who were completely innocent and even to this very moment you REFUSE to place any blame on Christian, the guy who conned his way into this situation is somehow innocent in your mind, but people in this thread are guilty. That's just stunning to me.
And then you ask "Why is everyone so interested in "where's the blame"? "??? Are you serious? In your mind only "economics" is to blame? If you were to lose all your money because a poor person stole it from your bank account, would you only blame "economics" then? Or are things different when it's YOUR money and not somebody elses?
People are so out for blood that they'll settle for Mameroom, since they can't get to SS or Christian...it really is pathetic.
Give me a break. It's clear why people are upset with you and if you don't get it it's only because you're trying to dismiss their criticisms.
People are upset with you/Mameroom because you are choosing to deal with someone who they believe to be a crook. Additionally, you are not only acting as his supportive mouthpiece but you are also refusing to place any responsibility on him as the person who was actually the CAUSE of this trainwreck. You are supporting the activities of a person who they feel has done a huge disservice to other arcade hobbiests. THAT is why people are upset with you, your words and your actions. How tough is that to understand?
Everyone seems to think that I'm standing up for him...
Because you are. Because you repeatedly blame others in this thread for something they have no control over (i.e. people getting what they paid for) But yet you refuse to place any blame on Christian who has COMPLETE control over whether people get what they paid for.
If that's not "standing up for Christian", then I don't know what is.
and the FACT that Chris publicly (even though through a 3rd party) stated that this was the EXACT reason for not doing was I knew would happen.
The fact that Christian decided not to do the right thing is 100% his decision. The fact that he chose to blame Fozzy for it doesn't make it so. Fozzy didn't hold a gun to his head. Fozzy didn't make him do anything. Coming up with an excuse for doing the wrong thing doesn't suddenly make it right.
If you want to be a "hero", you have to act like one, not just make excuses for why you decided to NOT act like one.
That's it. I finally got the answer to who you think is to blame for all of this, so now that I've cleared up why people are upset and why I think responsibility is important, I'm done here.
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I don't personally know anything about slickstick or any other panel makers, so I wont comment on them: but here is something to consider.
If you are going to make a MAME or JAMMA cabinet, why not MAKE the control panel? I have a small budget for the whole project, and want to make it as much my own project as possible. I have asked for help with woodwork/construction design from a local finishing carpenter/friend (who would still charge me 30 an hour to do the work, as he has 40 year experience and could do it well) but I think I will go my own route and actually make all the stuff myself (including mistakes). Making MY cabinet should be MY job, otherwise it is just piecing things others made together.. (OK OK, I will be buying an IPAC and buttons and such, but you get my jist)
Beyond that, I do hope that the people who ordered slikstick panels get them soon.
This was just my humble opinion about making ones own cabinet.
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This will be my last post since nobody cares to actually listen to what is said. Consider this...when you are in business, it often happens that companyA is unable to pay companyB for a product or service. CompanyB then decides to either extend further credit to companyA (depending on circumstances) in the hopes that by carrying the company through a difficult time they will keep the cow alive long enough to once again be able to get milk from it...OR they decide to cut companyA off and either seek relief through the courts or write off the loss. Sometimes, a business will make arrangements with a debtor to pay a reduced amount for a while until the business gets "back on its feet". There are a million scenarios that are not black & white YOU OWE ME NOW YOU ARE GOING TO JAIL.
Now that is talking about BUSINESSES. When it comes to consumers, things can get a little more personal (as evidenced here). In this case, some people paid for a product from SLIKSTIK LLC and either didn't receive the product, received an inferior product, or received their product after an extended period of time. This has been made abundantly clear. Christian has offered to make good on these deals, and has been apparently doing so, but that is besides the point since noone really cares about this except for those who purchased the panels.
The question now is where do we go from here? I personally believe that the SlikStik layouts and designs are the best I have seen and Christian is obviously very talented. I would like to see him continue doing what he is doing (ie building and designing control panels for arcade machines). To that end, I will support him in what he is trying to do...take over operations at SlikStik and try and build a business that can support him and his family now and in the future.
The funny thing is that he was only asking that you stop constantly dumping on him while he is struggling to fix this situation. It's like you are all piling on this guy and will not stop.
Stop and think...What will be gained by this? Why didn't you all just give the guy a chance to make good on his promises...keep a little good will in your heart...right now some of you keep pouring poison over wounds without ceasing...like you live for this.
All I am asking is that you consider all I have said. :notworthy:
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Mega24,
I honestly think that you are a kind hearted soul. Trusting. TOO trusting.
123 Main / Main Forum / Re:SlikStik News & Announcements on: October 31, 2002, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: Dink on October 30, 2002, 11:27:07 AM
Is it still taking over 2 months to get a SlikStik delivered?
Dink,
The shipping times have vastly approved for all units, they never took 2 months to ship, there was a small window within the past 8 months that we were plagued by manufactures not having enough parts to supply us with that in fact some units shipping times were delayed due to this.
In any instance we have no rectified that situation by stocking a huge parts inventory to assure SlikStik customers the fastest shipping time possible.
Thank You
Christian
SlikStik Customer Support
http://www.slikstik.com
The Worlds Best Arcade Controllers
Do you see that date? That was over 5 years ago. Do you see the overall THEME of this post? Sound familiar? This isn't the first time folks around here have dealt with Christian.
As for shipping times, yes there have been some delays, 95% due to Happ Controls not being able to supply us with the parts we order. For instance, right now there is a trackball delay that we and Incredible Technologies are waiting for from them, as they have stated they received a faulty trackball roller from their supplier and they are backordered over 1000 trackballs. You can surely call or email them to verify this on your own.
-November 6th, 2002
...just dig a little and you will see that Christian, Jerry & SS have given every excuse under the sun as to why their product is constantly late including even "The cost of stainless steel as gone up 85% and we are attempting to get new supplier" (in regards to control cabs with stainless sticks).
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Maybe the reason why noone replies to me on this forum is because, like you, I have no avatar...
hmm. Nah, its just because I am new, and my questions about arcade controls are all green...
As a "greenie" I actually almost decided to NOT make a cab after reading the crap on this particular thread... I thought this was going to be a fun endevour, but apparently it isnt as easy as that... And to think I though design, layout, and actually cutting wood would be the annoyances I would have to face...
I dont know if it is good or bad I came across this thread, but damn: It changed my view of the whole thing. Atleast I know that I will be going through Ultimarc for the stuff I need to do it for controls and Ill just be going through local friends and doing as much I can myself for the actual cab making...
Why is it that something that should be fun can become so damn annoying like this?
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Why is it that something that should be fun can become so damn annoying like this?
HINT: Most of us "idiots" have already had the fun of building our cabs...
PS: Don't let us get you down... 95% of the community out there are great.
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PS: Don't let us get you down... 95% of the community out there are great.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I do realise that that is true. Ill be making my first order from ultimarc after the magsticks come in, and then will officially start my journey (or I may get some Esticks, since they have the front mounting plate and as I said I am green at all of this). Its just that I had hoped this would be a better experience on the forums, but I do understand about people warning others of bad deals...
/me is naive sometimes, and wishes that niche groups were perfect, when that wish is never possible... I will of course follow my dreams of making a cabinet that makes you drool with envy!!! (that promise is earmarked for sometime after you have died a natural death and I am about 120 years old :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:)
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FWIW, my panel arrived today. WoW I'm amazed. It looks better then I thought it would. After installing a few extra's to the panel I slapped it in, loaded up the software, and tested it out. So far everything is working great. Just have to finish configuring a few controls but other then that it rocks.
Here are a few shots as promised
(http://www.metroidzmodz.com/arcade/panel1.jpg)
(http://www.metroidzmodz.com/arcade/panel2.jpg)
(http://www.metroidzmodz.com/arcade/panel3.jpg)
(http://www.metroidzmodz.com/arcade/panel4.jpg)
(http://www.metroidzmodz.com/arcade/panel5.jpg)
(http://www.metroidzmodz.com/arcade/panel6.jpg)
As asked befor, After receiving this panel, if I had to, and could deal with Chris (not SS) I would order another from him. Its sad to see them stopped being produced as it is a true piece of art.
BTW new marquee is in the process of being designed :)
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WOW JUST WOW.......
Read every post from beginning to end - this plays out like a soap opera.
Each character is well designed (Christian - Slikstik, Scott - Mameroom, Customers - 2 or 3 main ones, The Forum Trolls (i mean this nicely) that are hated by main Character 1 - we know who they are - and last but not least the GUEST STARS - mamemarquees, Happs, ect...)
I think I could adopt this thread into a screenplay, seriously.....
Anyways.........
We all know that Slikstik has a bad reputation. We know the workers there suck and we know that it is out of business (supposedly)
I think the website needs to come down.
I think anyone with an outstanding order should be on slikstiks ass.
Christian is acting like a baby.... DUDE GROW UP - sticks and stone break my bone and my business but names can never hurt me. There are about 35 individual users here. 10 are past or present customers. 3-5 are people like mameroom, mamemarquees, happs. The rest are opinionated people. Even if 100 annon users read this thread, whats only about 120 people that probably wont deal with slikstik - out of those 120 (according to Scott) 15% are BYOAC CUSTOMERS - So what did slikstik loose? maybe 20 orders? - oh wait slikstik is out of business - they lost nothing.......
I'm sure Christian will start a new arcade business - I'm sure his reputation will take him far. Though there is probably a chance he will give his new LLC a new FACE - and he will be the man behind the curtan - so even xtian haters might do business with him.
As for Scott a Mameroom - He has rambled quite a bit and been on both sides of the fence - even though i don't think he realizes he put him self there. And while some people blame Scott, curse at him, boycott him - whatever - he has a great business and MAMEROOM is 100% top notch. There really isn't an alternative to MAMEROOM unless you want a fully designed cabnet from someone like dreamauthentics or someone like that - or if you BYO. Even with all the damage I think Scott did to HIS reputation here at BYOAC - and i disagree with allot of what he had to say, actually more than allot off what he had to say - I would deal with him ANY TIME OF THE WEEK. MAMEROOM is topps. Scott as a EMPLOYEE of mameroom is TOPPS. Yes I understand that what you do in your personal life can effect your business life. I know you are not supposed to go out drinking with your company logo shirt on - but allot of us DO IT. Also of us use who we work for, or what business we run to enhance our perspective from others. It can come back to bite you in the ass, but even if Scott lost 100 customers - I'm sure he gained 200 more, just from search hits and word of mouth. AM i mad he still does business with xtian - nope NONE OF MY BUSINESS. Does it suck that he does? Yes it does - but that's my opinion and who am i to judge - (i know it sounds hypocricial - and probably is).
Bottom line....
Christian needs to grow up, grow a pair and learn how to be responsible and DO THE RIGHT THING. Remember ENRON?
Scott - disappear from this thread, I'll say it again you do yourself no favors here in THIS THREAD. Are people giving you a hard time? Yea they are but you kind of invite it.
SCREWED OVER CUSTOMERS - call Xtian and see what you can work out. If he was just an "employee" and cares to take personal responsibility and fill a order, good for him - if he don't - then it sounds like he is in a position to do so, harsh reality or not - yes he might be thief, untied legally from SS - whatever the case my be - if you decide to make people happy from the disaster of a chapter 7 business that SS became - then more power to you - but don;t pick and choose, it's like the teacher used to say in school "if your gonna chew gum - bring enough for the whole class" - if there are 20 customers without panels and you fill just 1 of them then you should fill them all - regardless of what people say about you.
Finally - to all you out there with SS control panels, I have one too, they are great products. Treat them well, cause if they break or need to be replaced - you will have to deal with Xtian again or find a sup par alternative, or DO THE WORK YOURSELF - which is what BYOAC is all about.
Nite
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The problem with "free speech" is that it can sometimes hurt people, who does everyone think got hurt in this one?
I almost replied to this with the message below:
"Let's see...the people Christian, and Christian alone, knowingly decided to rip off?"
I stopped myself...until I read this:
If people don't want to buy mameroom products for reasons other than quality and customer service. Don't kid yourself...we didn't have your business to begin with.
Don't kid yourself. You've permanently lost my business and that of anyone I have any influence over as a direct result of your self-confessed greed, lack of ethics and your condescending attitude. You won't believe this, I'm sure, but there are people out there for whom these things actually do matter more than profit. I refuse to deal with unscrupulous people (or their LLC proxies), period. Customer service and quality be damned! Not only am I not going to do business with you, I wouldn't even have you as a customer.
Nobody claiming to be honest would condone the actions Chris is committing in full view of everyone here.
For the record, I would tend to trust the motives of people like Fozzy and CheffoJeffo who have no dog in this fight over the motives of someone who finally came out and admitted he's trying to influence the outcome to make money, no matter the cost to others. I admit to being totally baffled as to what your motive for defending Christian so strongly was. Now I know.
I'm happy for those who received their orders, and I feel very sorry for those that Christian ripped off.
This has gotten all too ugly. I'm going to sit the rest of this debacle out.
Good luck, all.
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If I am rubbing people the wrong way by saying that pissing chris off will not get other's their panels...then I'm I truely am sorry, but...Given that FACT, that certain people in here could care less about whether or not other received their panels...and the FACT that Chris publicly (even though through a 3rd party) stated that this was the EXACT reason for not doing was I knew would happen. Let's say I blame them for DELIBERATELY pissing chris off enough to not fullfill his promise to get people's products out...but we ALL know that's what they wanted from the beginning to add fuel to THEIR fire. Selfish.
Scott, it is stuff like this that is what makes me mad at you. While using Xtian as a supplier annoys me, it is a business decision and doesn't make me angry.
And I'm not mad at Xtian -- he is what he is and it is what he always has been. He did a little bit more than I expected him to in getting some panels out, but his behaviour, particularly the kiss-off note, has been 100% consistent with his past actions.
Back to you ... I am SOOOOO ticked off at you at your holier-than-thou attempts to vilify "people here" (you can't even bring yourself to name us) by mischaracterizing our motives and then calling it FACT (just 'coz you post it and use capitals doesn't make it so).
You even use the phrase "not fulfill his promise" in referring to Xtian.
How the hell is it my fault that Xtian wouldn't fulfill a PROMISE ?
OK, I predicted it, but that doesn't exactly make me Nostradamus.
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Chris called out Fozzy...why not leave it at that? Why does there need to be more.
I am a vendor...should I not use another vendor because he was involved in a company that filed chapter 7? It really sucks that poeple got screwed out of their money. I tried to do whatever I could to help.
Is everyone really outraged by me saying something along the lines of "Chris doesn't want to hear this crap about him...if he does, he won't get anyone's panels out if he has to do so out of his own pocket"?
...being the mouthpiece for Christian...I was looking out fall all of you customers who in involved in this mess...who here do you think has won? It certainly isn't them. By any account it looks like Chris just saved himself about 20K (by what was mentioned in here).
While ALL I ever intented to say was.
1) Give Chris the opportunity to make good on his promise
2) Back off unitl after everyone got their panels.
You know what. I'll prove my point about BLAME.
Scott Glazer from Mameroom publicly states:
"PEOPLE OF BYOAC...YOU, AND YOU ALONE HAVE A CHOICE ON HOW THIS ENDS. ALL CUSTOMERS WILL RECEIVE THEIR PRODUCTS...IF AND ONLY IF YOU REMAIN SILENT AGAINST CHRIS"....
...wow, a bold (but factually accurate) statement...what do you do?
All of the people in here that don't have a vested interest...why should you shut up? You're not going to walk and egg shells for anyone...It would be too big of a hit to either personal pride (or ego), to not say anything. You would rather see customers get screwed than be silenced....and you are telling ME (scott/mameroom) that I am somehow at fault here...I thinks that may be called some kind of transference (I'm not a shrink).
I am just as vocal as anyone...as long as I don't personally attack anyone...I'm not overly concerned about my business. It will stand or fall on it's own merit...not because I made some posts in an arcade forum trying to help people.
Some people are trying to kill the messenger...if you didn't like the message, I'm sorry...I was just doing what I could to help.
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so why is Chris having a 3rd party deliver his message anyways? Is he not going to make an appearance and tell everyone else they are SOL because he can't handle the heat that he caused himself by NOT sending out whar his customers paid for?
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good questions...HE DIDN'T SEND ME to tell this forum the news...It was a warning I took upon myself to deliver.
I (unlike many in here) actually do care if customers got their panels.
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I don't really see the comparison between SlikStik and Mameroom. There has never been in the history of my company, a customer that didn't get what they paid for and been 100% satisfied. If something arrived not right, we made it right. If they were just unhappy for some reason...we offered a refund. Yes, there may have been a delay or two from backordered items....
...but is that really the only negative thing you can say about my company? I order parts through a manufacturer that upset of few people on BYOAC?
...again, this is probably an incredible waste of my time...but yet I find it hard to stay away (why is that)?
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Scott Glazer from Mameroom publicly states:
"PEOPLE OF BYOAC...YOU, AND YOU ALONE HAVE A CHOICE ON HOW THIS ENDS. ALL CUSTOMERS WILL RECEIVE THEIR PRODUCTS...IF AND ONLY IF YOU REMAIN SILENT AGAINST CHRIS"....
Since I guess I'm included in "PEOPLE OF BYOAC", and have been granted such amazing powers of choice, I choose to use them for good. I choose, "Christian gives all his customers the products they paid for."
Do I get to be a hero now, too?
For god's sake, Scott, just let it drop. There's no way in hell you're ever going to pin the blame for Christian's actions on anyone but Christian. And frankly, only an absolute fool would buy your ridiculous attempts to try. Your only chance to absolve Christian of responsibility would be to take the blame yourself.
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I don't really see the comparison between SlikStik and Mameroom. There has never been in the history of my company, a customer that didn't get what they paid for and been 100% satisfied. If something arrived not right, we made it right. If they were just unhappy for some reason...we offered a refund. Yes, there may have been a delay or two from backordered items....
...but is that really the only negative thing you can say about my company? I order parts through a manufacturer that upset of few people on BYOAC?
...again, this is probably an incredible waste of my time...but yet I find it hard to stay away (why is that)?
by becoming the voice of Christian in this thread and saying how he can't be touched because Slikstik is an LLC and that will legally protect him from his wrong doings you pretty much have tarnished your own LLC.
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Chris called out Fozzy...why not leave it at that? Why does there need to be more.
Because you made it more and very strongly implied that I, and people like me, were the ones responsible for people not getting their panels. You called us selfish and blamed us for a rip off perpetrated by others, whom you don't want to seem to hold accountable.
When talking about Xtian's role, you have said "it's business" and "it's economics".
But as for people not getting their panels, you say "it's you BYOAC guys" or, I guess now, "it's Fozzy".
While ALL I ever intented to say was.
1) Give Chris the opportunity to make good on his promise
2) Back off unitl after everyone got their panels.
See my prior comments about people who convinced others to wait and avoid chargebacks/legal proceedings ...
Scott Glazer from Mameroom publicly states:
"PEOPLE OF BYOAC...YOU, AND YOU ALONE HAVE A CHOICE ON HOW THIS ENDS. ALL CUSTOMERS WILL RECEIVE THEIR PRODUCTS...IF AND ONLY IF YOU REMAIN SILENT AGAINST CHRIS"....
...wow, a bold (but factually accurate) statement...what do you do?
Isn't that what you did ? Didn't I say that if Christian actually reneged because of my opinion then my opinion wasn't far from the mark ?
All of the people in here that don't have a vested interest...why should you shut up? You're not going to walk and egg shells for anyone...It would be too big of a hit to either personal pride (or ego), to not say anything. You would rather see customers get screwed than be silenced....
You see, there you go again ... characterizing my actions. Here's a tip -- for you this is a business, for me it is a community and I care about that community. The behaviour that we saw from Christian is completely and entirely consistent with what we have been seeing these past 5 years. I, and others, suggested that behaviour would not change (e.g. he would make good on some stuff and then bail). You, and others, said that we should look past this and you tried to shift the blame to people who were only telling the truth based on what has happened before (and happened again).
and you are telling ME (scott/mameroom) that I am somehow at fault here...I thinks that may be called some kind of transference (I'm not a shrink).
Actually, no, I blame SlikStik/Christian for people not getting their panels ... as should you.
I blame you for exactly what you did -- blaming us.
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...but is that really the only negative thing you can say about my company? I order parts through a manufacturer that upset of few people on BYOAC?
Uh, no ... (is this thing on ? can everybody hear me ?) ... to my mind, the biggest negative thing that I can say about your company is that you chose to blame innocent BYOACers for Christian/SlikStik's failures.
You chose a business partner who had, by your own admission, done the same things over and over again to the detriment of the community over the community and then BLAMED the community for that business partner's failure to keep his promise.
Any expectation that the community would support you is almost as mind-boggling as Christian's expectation to be seen as a hero.
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The reason I wouldn't buy from Slikstik is how Christian acted on these forums. His actions as a business owner towards his clients and future customers were awful. I still cannot understand why Mameroom would come into a Slikstik thread where unhappy customers are voicing their concern and condone Christians actions. I will never be a mameroom customer - which is a shame because I've been eyeing your bartop/jukebox units.
Everyone was saying Christian was going to walk away from this situation including you. The difference is you feel he walked away because of all the negative comments and the rest of us know he walked away because this is the kind of person he is.
All he is doing is delivering a few highly publicized control panels to try to get everyone to quiet down and let this blow over.
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I don't really see the comparison between SlikStik and Mameroom. There has never been in the history of my company, a customer that didn't get what they paid for and been 100% satisfied. If something arrived not right, we made it right. If they were just unhappy for some reason...we offered a refund. Yes, there may have been a delay or two from backordered items....
...but is that really the only negative thing you can say about my company? I order parts through a manufacturer that upset of few people on BYOAC?
It's not just that you order parts from someone who appears to be involved in an an ongoing fraud. It's your attitude toward people who find his conduct reprehensible. It's your continuing attempts to pin some form of blame for his inconsistent and seemingly fraudulent actions on people who could not possibly have anything to do with his actions. It's that you don't seem to be able to comprehend that anyone even should have a problem with your attitude or what you're saying.
I really don't even know how to explain this to you since you seem to have absolutely no problem with anything Christian has done. I, and many others here, apparently do have a problem with his actions. I don't know how to interpret your relationship with and defense of him other than your condoning his actions and business practices (you are in effect in business with him). If I then conduct business with you, regardless of your reputation or the quality of your products, I am condoning yours. And I don't condone people doing business with alleged crooks.
As was asked before (I think by CheffoJeffo or Fozzie), why are you upset with and blaming innocent people in this forum and just fine with Christian and Slikstik?
...again, this is probably an incredible waste of my time...but yet I find it hard to stay away (why is that)?
Ditto, but I find it tough to turn away also.
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good questions...HE DIDN'T SEND ME to tell this forum the news...It was a warning I took upon myself to deliver.
I (unlike many in here) actually do care if customers got their panels.
More blaming the FORUM and not your SUPPLIER. You have absolutely no clue man...none.
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I order parts through a manufacturer that upset of few people on BYOAC?
No, you are in bed (as evidenced by a good portion of your website) with a manufacturer who allegedly defrauded multiple people from this forum (and I imagine) many others. It's not just hearsay either, you saw with your own eyes, heard with your own ears, this manufacturer is doing this to YOUR CUSTOMER POOL... then you defend him/them, and still are willing to take money from them knowing full well that a portion of that money is tainted.
HONEST PEOPLE don't take money from people who earned it dishonestly.
EXAMPLE: Say I sell stereo equipment. Say a guy walks in and TELLS ME, hey bro, I just stole this $1000 off a lady down the street and I want to buy a bad-ass car stereo system. I'd throw the dude out on his ass and call the police. It seems that you'd take his money, and when the police showed up you'd defend him as a nice guy and it somehow must have been SOCIETY who caused him to steal $$ from that lady.
Do you realize just how damn WRONG that sounds bro?
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Well,
I know I should stay out of this, but hey, what the heck.
I can offer something good to say about Slik Stik.
I bought a blank CO2 from them last spring.
Ordered it on a Monday, received it on that Thursday.
It beat all my buttons/joysticks from Ultimarc's in shipping by 1 day,
but to be fair, Ultimarc comes DHL from overseas. =)
In fact, I also ordered the UAII from mameroom at the same time, and that also shipped fast and clean.
I know this is BYOAC, but I don't have the woodworking skills needed to build
the CP or cabinet, and to be quite frank, the CO2 is put together a hell of a lot better than anything I could do.
I am a coder, not a carpenter.
My experience from all 3 vendors listed above were 100% A+.
I do think its too bad that all this stuff is happening now.
Oh well.
Scott
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I know I should stay out of this, but hey, what the heck.
Far from it, all experiences are relevant and welcomed.
:cheers:
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Well,
I bought a blank CO2 from them last spring.
Ordered it on a Monday, received it on that Thursday.
Scott
Glad things worked well for you. Had this always been the case, then this thread wouldn't be here....
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Edit by saint - Pretty please? (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg781643#msg781643)
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I feel that it's time to make a few comments.
As you all have seen I'm not a big poster on these forums. It's not that I do not want to get involved, it's just that there's so many knowledgable people giving great answers to problems that I usually just sit back , read and learn.
It's well documented that Slikstik was one of the first companies to offer panels to the BYOAC/world several years a go. Yes, they made a great product and it looks like Christian is now doing so as well.
But, "First to Market" does not guarantee long term success.
Other panel makers have surfaced and are producing better quality and better looking panels at a lower price than SlikStik or Christian have ever produced.
This is not rocket science. The classic arcade game cabinet/panel shapes have been around for 20+ years and it's very straighforward to create a control panel or cabinet from scratch.
This hobby has evolved and in the process has passed SS/Christian by!
Kneivel, Timoe, Arcade In A Box, JJ's Arcade etc. all make great panels. There are also others too numerous to mention that produce great looking panels. :applaud:
Plus, I have to mention that many, many BYOAC members have shown their great DIY talents and have blown away anything SS/Christian has or will ever produce. :notworthy:
Now with Groovy Game Gear producing so many cool things that you can fill a panel with, there's no reason to be forced to buy from SS/Christian ever again.
I understand many people were screwed over by Slikstik and I hope that people continue to fight for their money back and the "Word" continues to be put out about their bad business.
We can show our disdain for SS/Christian by supporting the vendors listed above who would be more than happy to make a panel for you, and probably at a lower price. :applaud:
Once this all settles down I hope you all consider MAMERoom on your vendor list as well.
I believe that you should not boycott Scott/MAMERoom for his words on this forum. His customer service track record over the past many years should be taken into consideration when judging him.
Ok, rant mode off (Hopping off the SoapBox)
Side Note:
Due to the demise of SS we experienced a flood of orders last November/December.
We were unable to handle the sudden increase in orders ( I have a regular day job).
Only now are we working on the last few panels the next 2 Weekends. Then we will finally be caught up.
I wanted to take the time to say publicly how sorry I am for taking longer than expected to build/ship your panel orders. I did my best.
Many of you wanted to have your orders in time for the holidays and I let you down.
I have learned from this experience and have taken steps so that this does not happen again.
Jack
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Chris called out Fozzy...why not leave it at that? Why does there need to be more.
He can call me out as much as he likes..... It doesn't get away from the fact that he's the one who's taken multiple peoples money and STILL to date, failed to provide the goods. End of story!!
There's nothing else to be said about him except that true to form, exactly as predicted, he's failed yet again to provide the goods to people who handed him hard earned legitimate money.
He wants to call me out, then that's fine he can feel free to have the Cahones to do it in person on here. Not through some third party that's out to make a quick buck off the demise of his company.
Edit by saint - Pretty please? (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg781643#msg781643) Edit by Fozzy- OOOPS! Yes Saint... Sorry shouldn't lower myself to his level like that.. :cheers: anybody got any mashmallows to toast instead??
He's lied about his responsibilities, he's lied about his suppliers, he's lied about and to his customers. He's still not provided the goods he's taken money for. As I said.... He's committed what would appear to be wire fraud, he's committed what would appear to be common fraud, and because I stand up and call a spade a spade, after four or five years of watching him fork people over for what amounts to thousands of dollars. It must be my fault in the main and other long standing members on here's fault as well, that he's still not delivered the goods, and is still bucking his moral obligations.
All of that is fact and truth!! Which is precisely why he doesn't like it.
Nothing else to be said about him.... The hobby is better off without a slimeball like that.
Now.... lets take a little look at why he's really decided that it's my fault shall we.....
I had a run in with Stango about two years back in which he used exactly the words he's been using here when he said "who the hell are you.. You haven't even bought anything from SlickStik" This was while he was having a go at Randy Turner (Groovy Game Gear) and I was pulling him to pieces for publicly and completely unjustifiably attacking his competitor in a public forum. Unfortunately for him he lost that one, and looked a complete jerk. He's been trying to gun me down ever since, in some twisted sick psychotic and sociopathic vendeta the cretin has going on in his own twisted little head.
Looks from the current state of the thread like that's entirely backfired on him. Exactly as predicted by at least five people on here, It's quite clear that he never intended anybody to actually get their missing goods, except of course for the high profile ones that are currently leading to a case with The Attorney General's office. It's just more lies, excuses and delay tactics.
Like I said, I'll give him a break the day he actually either provides ALL of the goods that he's taken money for and not provided. OR the day he returns ALL of the money he's taken without providing the goods. He wants to be seen as a Hero!! HA!!! :laugh2: What a joke that is. Then do one of the above two things Stango! without bullshitting and carping about it.
Until then I'll continue to name and shame him, and all thieving scum like him, so that they have as little opportunity as possible to rip more people off, the way he has for at least the last FIVE YEARS!!!!
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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I'm interested in (potentially) recommending Mameroom to some friends of mine (ie: as customers), and I have a question for Scott:
I'm concerned that, based on your support of the actions of this other gentlemen at SlikStik, is there any potential that you might get so upset by things posted on this forum that you may decide not to fulfill your customers orders?
mrC
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[ Saint ... we're all thinking of your blood pressure.
But when people get scammed of their money, it's hard to find lullabies to sing about it.
Sometimes, discussion of the details, warts and all, is necessary. ]
A lot of people have run businesses, some incorporated and many not. I've run a business myself. If Christian ran Slickstick, then Christian = Slikstik. Play semantic games all you want, nothing will ever change that.
Christian will ship product to people Christian wants to ship product to.
Nothing could be more true.
Read it from the Meister himself :
[email from Christian]
Oh and BTW, you have been nothing but nice to me, and thats why you have your new unit on its way
For folks like Mike Ahearn, parting with your hard earned cash, and waiting for almost a year thereafter, will not be enough to sway Christian.
Nay, our "Hero" wants you to get down on your hands and knees, and GROVEL.
I placed my order in March of 2007 and never received my panel. For those of you that have recently received your panels, did Christian contact you out of the blue and tell you he was going to get it out? If he contacted you, what method did he use: telephone, letter, email? If you contacted him, how was it that you made contact with him? If you telephoned him, what number did you call? If you emailed him, what address did you use? My last contact with SlikStik was on October 2, 2007. My story was posted much earlier in this thread. I was calling almost everyday and emailing with no repsonse.
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[ Effort being made to demonstrate maximum etiquette, whilst still addressing the crux of these matters. ]
Chris called out Fozzy...why not leave it at that?
Because Fozzy's a man of INTEGRITY, and while YOU might be happy for Christian to single him out, we're not.
We're a community who believes in ethics and fair play, and we stand as one with Fozzy.
It really sucks that poeple got screwed out of their money.
Screwed by your BUSINESS PARTNER, right ??
By any account it looks like Chris just saved himself about 20K
20K of WHOSE MONEY ??
If Christian can't be bothered making all of the panels for which SlikStik has pocketed people's cash, then here's a thought ...
How about getting out his chequebook and issuing some REFUNDS ??
Not much effort involved in that ... all it would require is a bit of moral fortitude.
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[ Effort being made to demonstrate maximum etiquette, whilst still addressing the crux of these matters. ]
(Thanks!)
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We're a community who believes in ethics and fair play, and we stand as one with Fozzy.
:applaud:/me stands up, and begins a slow clap
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We're a community who believes in ethics and fair play, and we stand as one with Fozzy.
:applaud:/me stands up, and begins a slow clap
:applaud:/me gets to his feet
I think that the community (of "people in here") is speaking pretty clearly. Some may have attributed this to mob mentality, but I notice that this isn't a bunch of yahoos clamoring for Christian's death (as some would have us believe) -- it's a bunch of people standing up for each other.
:cheers:
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I just want everyone to get what they paid for.....
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I just wanted to follow up with what Jack wrote.
I've been working with Scott for at least 2 years now. When I was still working out of my house, he used to do all of my wood cutting for me. I would send the cad files, with instructions, a few weeks later I had a box of wood to assemble.
Recently I have purchased my own CNC router and I do most of my wood cutting myself. However, I still turn to Scott in crunch time. Like now, when I have close to 50 360 controllers to make, and my CNC died. Rather than wait for the repair, I contacted Scott with my desperation. The next day he had shipped out all of the wood cut (5 4'x8' sheets total). He's a pleasure to work it, and I will continue to work with him.
I've never had any direct dealing with Slik Stik, except the occasional spinner I used to buy before RandyT started making them. It sickens me the way Christian and "Company" have handled this whole situation. However, I don't know the facts. I don't know for sure that he did actually own slik stik. Though when you create an LLC, you are actually not listed as an owner, but a Member. Just seems odd to go this route. Drop his company, buy all the merchandise, then start a company again. I don't understand the logic. Why not just keep the inventory, and pull slikstik out of the pit? Just something to think about, as I'm not sure we have the whole story. Regardless, I don't plan to work with Christian at anytime in the future.
Maybe Scott made the wrong decision in helping/selling to Christian, I don't know the answer to that, only Scott does.
I think that is all I have to say. I won't turn my back as I leave ;)
I also wanted to note, that it took me about 20 minutes to copy and paste email addresses from my store database and email all of my customers about the current delay. If Slik Stik would have just done this, honestly, I think they would still be around.
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While I am on my feet, I'd like to thank Ed and Jack for their postings. :applaud:
It's no secret that I am pissed off at Scott, and pissed off for a very specific reason based on his recent actions.
As I, and others, have alluded to, everybody has a history and while Christian's has not been good, Scott's has. And that should be worth something.
And, yes, I'm still pissed at him.
:cheers:
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Guys- I've run a business or two, and not LLCs, but here's something to think about...
Why would one be an employee of a business (specifically LLC), quit the business and buy out the stock? Easy one. The business assumes all liability for the cost of said stock. The "members" have already absorbed the profit from sales that would use those materials. And, by quitting it, you walk away from the liability, keep the money, and then "buy back" the operating materials, and believe me that's a paper transaction if there ever was one. So all around, it is a money making venture.
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Guys- I've run a business or two, and not LLCs, but here's something to think about...
Why would one be an employee of a business (specifically LLC), quit the business and buy out the stock? Easy one. The business assumes all liability for the cost of said stock. The "members" have already absorbed the profit from sales that would use those materials. And, by quitting it, you walk away from the liability, keep the money, and then "buy back" the operating materials, and believe me that's a paper transaction if there ever was one. So all around, it is a money making venture.
Yeah, that's the only reason I can think of unless he actually wasn't a Member. Those that have filed lawsuit against Slik Slik, wouldn't that information show who the members are? Or is that information withheld since it is an LLC.
For the Record, I didn't create an LLC to not be liable for getting my products to people. I went under the LLC to protect my family and myself incase someone decided to sue the company, they couldn't come after us personally. Though I'm starting to understand how Christian (if he is a member) is minipulating the system. Arcade-In-A-Box, LLC has actually never paid me a dime as of yet. Still in the Red, maybe someday I can pay myself. Or should I say, Arcade-In-A-Box can give me a salary.
But closing the doors right now, just to keep everyone's money. No thank you.
The way it should be handled is. Shut down the website, take no new orders. Get current orders done and out the door, shut the business down.
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The way it should be handled is. Shut down the website, take no new orders. Get current orders done and out the door, shut the business down.
But then he wouldn't have 20K of slikstik money and supplies to start a new business with. Silly. ;)
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The way it should be handled is. Shut down the website, take no new orders. Get current orders done and out the door, shut the business down.
But then he wouldn't have 20K of slikstik money and supplies to start a new business with. Silly. ;)
Well yeah, I should said: "What should be done if you were an honest person" ;)
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This will be my last post since nobody cares to actually listen to what is said. Consider this...when you are in business, it often happens that companyA is unable to pay companyB for a product or service. CompanyB then decides to either extend further credit to companyA (depending on circumstances) in the hopes that by carrying the company through a difficult time they will keep the cow alive long enough to once again be able to get milk from it...OR they decide to cut companyA off and either seek relief through the courts or write off the loss. Sometimes, a business will make arrangements with a debtor to pay a reduced amount for a while until the business gets "back on its feet". There are a million scenarios that are not black & white YOU OWE ME NOW YOU ARE GOING TO JAIL.
Now that is talking about BUSINESSES. When it comes to consumers, things can get a little more personal (as evidenced here). In this case, some people paid for a product from SLIKSTIK LLC and either didn't receive the product, received an inferior product, or received their product after an extended period of time. This has been made abundantly clear. Christian has offered to make good on these deals, and has been apparently doing so, but that is besides the point since noone really cares about this except for those who purchased the panels.
The question now is where do we go from here? I personally believe that the SlikStik layouts and designs are the best I have seen and Christian is obviously very talented. I would like to see him continue doing what he is doing (ie building and designing control panels for arcade machines). To that end, I will support him in what he is trying to do...take over operations at SlikStik and try and build a business that can support him and his family now and in the future.
The funny thing is that he was only asking that you stop constantly dumping on him while he is struggling to fix this situation. It's like you are all piling on this guy and will not stop.
Stop and think...What will be gained by this? Why didn't you all just give the guy a chance to make good on his promises...keep a little good will in your heart...right now some of you keep pouring poison over wounds without ceasing...like you live for this.
All I am asking is that you consider all I have said. :notworthy:
Most of us have considered all that has been said. Some of us have not dumped on him (Christian) at all...facts have been stated that do not favor him...and there has been flaming. The questions that come to my mind are "What does people dumping on him have to do with his promise?" Two separate issues there...they should be handled separately. "Why is Christian spending time reading a forum when he could be making people their panels?" It seems as though enough people have been defaulted on, that he would be much too busy "making good" to read this or any other forum. The flaming words can hurt no doubt....but he is reaping what he has sown. Whether he was the owner or merely an employee of SS is irrelavent. He presented himself as a customer service rep for SS here...that is where he built his reputation. He actions towards customers here made my mind up not to purchase from SS long ago.
I wish him and all those associated with him well...but if he wants to survive, and wants people to stop "dumping on him" he should reevaluate his customer relation philosophy.
Xam
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It appears we have some evidence here ...
When did SlikStik stop taking people's cash for orders ?? Heck, they're still taking the orders, right ?? They certainly didn't stop on May 10, 2007.
And for how long after that date, did Christian keep spinning the BS about the supposed delays caused by Happs, Mamemarquees, Ultimarc, etc. ??
All the while, falsely assuring those folks waiting on their panels, that they'd get them in due course ??
United States Patent and Trademark Office
Word Mark SLIKSTIK
Goods and Services (ABANDONED) IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Player-operated electronic controllers for electronic video game machines and for playing video games on computers
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 78397504
Filing Date April 6, 2004
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition June 14, 2005
Owner (APPLICANT) SlikStik LLC. LTD LIAB CO NEW JERSEY 227 Bloomfield Ave Nutley NEW JERSEY 07110
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Abandonment Date May 10, 2007
To view this data yourself :
(1) Go to this link : http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=search&state=rbnn8r.1.1
(2) Enter this search term : 78397504[SN]
(3) Click the "Submit Query" button.
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So SlikStik is an abandoned trademark?
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So SlikStik is an abandoned trademark?
And why would you abandon your trademark, if your business was a going concern ??
Christian knew SlikStik was a goner long ago.
The trademark was officially abandoned on May 10, 2007. No doubt that wasn't an overnight decision, things must have been looking grim long before that.
Yet how long after that date, did Christian continue to spin the BS, in order to keep the order money rolling in ??
For Pete's sake, they're still accepting orders today !!
Money being happily accepted by an abandoned company, for products that Christian knew full well would never materialise ??
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that little bit of info might be handy if someone was thinking of suing.
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As I, and others, have alluded to, everybody has a history and while Christian's has not been good, Scott's has. And that should be worth something.
You sure Scotts history has been good? I have been biting my tounge for ages and you know what i am going to say...
Virtual Music Jukebox
Wasn't that the same attitude to customers as Christian is displaying. Were they not selling soemthing that wasn't fit for purpose without any refunds leaving a trail of anrgy customers across the web. Then who cam in as the saviour? Scott. Did it improve? No. I don't think he is the glowing character people make him out to be. Hell when he announced his involvment in a possible Slikstik buyout i pointed out about the VMJ issues and he sent me a snotty mail about it.
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OK... time to leave Slikstik-Christian some feedback.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1354
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I thought you guys were kidding, but yes, people can, and probably are, still able to order from slikstik. W T F?? Seriously, who can figure out what authorities to report this to? Far from being wrong by posting in here, we're not doing ENOUGH to warn innocents about stango's unprecedented corruption (and enough about stango NOT being slikstik...we're NOT buying it, okay??)
I suggest people post in whatever forums they frequent. It's one thing to beat a dead horse, but if that horse is still secretly kicking people in the goodies....we need to do something. Mameworld has a posting about it, let's make sure it's posted EVERYEHERE.
Nothing at all wrong in that, we have verified that the company is BANKRUPT. Yet the website takes paypal orders. That goes beyond simple name calling to absolute, outright fraud.
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Even more curious about SS's website is that a week or so back, it was not accepting cabinet orders, only orders for joys and parts. Just visited their site and it is showing that 100% of their product line is available.
Something just isn't right here.
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I was wondering about that too. If Christian isn't SS, and left SS, then why are his designs back up for sale (within the last couple weeks) on the SS website?
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because Christian bought Slikstik from Christian and promoted himself from employee to employee and now feels he doesn't how the old Slikstik customers a thing because the internets were mean to him....
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If the SS TM is abandoned...what would it take to snatch it up? Oh how i'd love to do that.
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OK....
So lets get this straight....
1) No business licence to operate from those premises (Licence Revoked).
2) No longer a registered trade mark (Trademark Lapsed)
3) Still taking orders and payments directly on the SlickStik Web Site.
3) Still trading the companys manufactured products from that business address.
4) In partnership with MameRoom Designs to sell SlickStik Products still carrying SlickStik identification.
5) People reporting that panels shipped by MameRoom Designs are actually being shipped from the address of SlickStik in Nutley, which has no licence to trade.
6) Which as above are still being manufactured by Christian Stango at the address he's no business licence to trade from.
This needs to be reported to the good lady who is currently assembling the case against him at Nutley Town Council. They should be able to issue a cease and desist notice and action it if it's ignored.
And he's still not providing the products that he's already been paid for or refunds for products he hasn't sent out. Classy Dudes both of them Christian and Scott.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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My intentions were always simply to help people get their orders. If I stepped on a few toes in the process...I truley am sorry...that was not my intention. As far as blame...everyone seems hell bent on where the blame falls. I DO NOT know...people who didn't receive their products will read this forum and come to their own conclusions. I know everyone wants to hear from me that I am blaming certain people or that the blame should fall on Chris....I will no longer be involved I stated some truths and facts. Again, if they upset people...I truley am sorry. It's not worth my time to defend my actions in here...as I know that I had good intentions.
I will be taking a break from these forums for awhile to clear my head and review whether Mameroom will continue to offer components manufactured by Chris or not.
The fact of the matter is...I am running a business and I will do whatever is in it's best interest.
Good luck to everyone and I hope there is a happy ending for as many people as there can be.
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I will be taking a break from these forums for awhile to clear my head and review whether Mameroom will continue to offer components manufactured by Chris or not.
this is a step in the right direction...
My main question now is what is this new business name Chris will be using?
Changing his business name is most likely NOT going to change how he does business, it'll just give him a new name to scam people with....
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I will be taking a break from these forums for awhile to clear my head and review whether Mameroom will continue to offer components manufactured by Chris or not.
The fact of the matter is...I am running a business and I will do whatever is in it's best interest.
Good luck to everyone and I hope there is a happy ending for as many people as there can be.
That's a positive step in the right direction.
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I know that I had good intentions.
So say we all.
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"Who's to blame? ECONOMICS!" is still the greatest line I have ever read in my entire life. It ought to earn this website a Webbie. In fact, they should just shut both the Internet and the human emotion of laughing down from here on out, because that's never going to be topped. I would rather live life as a smoke signal-making Vulcan than ever try to top that one.
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I know that I had good intentions.
Even I will acknowledge that that may be the case. Your attitude to people here however has been atrocious. Your good intentions were clearly based on things you believed to be facts. But you obtained your facts from Christian Stango. Not noted for telling the truth about anything.
I will be taking a break from these forums for awhile to clear my head and review whether Mameroom will continue to offer components manufactured by Chris or not.
Hallelujah!! the lightbulb finally comes on, even if it is still glowing a bit dim.
The fact of the matter is...I am running a business and I will do whatever is in it's best interest.
Well you've certainly not done your business any favours in this thread. Which very much surprised all of us, given your previous good record.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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One option might be to contact their hosting company and even domain registrar with a professional, calm, and fact filled letter/email/fax requesting that they consider removing slikstik as a client due to fraud and pending legal action. Most companies do not like to be associated with situations like these, especially when there is evidence they can verify themselves.
As Scott may be realizing.. :applaud:
I noticed their SSL license expires in 8 days, interesting..
http://whois.domaintools.com/slikstik.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/slikstik.com)
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Holy smoke! This thread has gone places....
Really guys, lets step back for a second and answer a question that seems to have gone by with no one paying attention.
Who's still waiting for an order from SS? Since a few orders have been coming in, have all the BYOACers orders been filled or are there a bunch still outstanding? As I recall like 20 pages back, someone said only a total of 8 complaints have even been filed with NJ against SS. Is this problem as big as we think it is (no flames please, I realize if it is your money gone, the problem is HUGE!) or are there just a few people out there still needing items?
Just asking the question. God knows I wasn't happy with the service I got for my $2400 with SS, but I did get my cabinet.
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Who's still waiting for an order from SS? Since a few orders have been coming in, have all the BYOACers orders been filled or are there a bunch still outstanding? As I recall like 20 pages back, someone said only a total of 8 complaints have even been filed with NJ against SS. Is this problem as big as we think it is (no flames please, I realize if it is your money gone, the problem is HUGE!) or are there just a few people out there still needing items?
I ordered a blank 2player pannel with an overlay on Oct 4th 2007. At this point I would love just a blank pannel (I could get my own overlay printed for it). :dunno
========= GENERAL INFORMATION =========
Merchant : SLIKSTIK
Date/Time : 04-Oct-2007 01:44:47 PM
Transaction ID : 1577269459
========= ORDER INFORMATION =========
Invoice Number : 6228
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http://www.instantlink.com/index-4.html
Mailing address look familiar?
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I have an outstanding order, don't have time to share details now, am writing up an entire detail of account for my bank. Will post it here when I am done. In any case, it all makes sense, which is why I will be moving forward with pending legal action too. I have heard all the same lines from the person in question, and refuse to be taken.
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My panel arrived today and I picked it up a few hours ago. I don't want to say a lot at the moment--I've got numerous friends coming over (bachelor's weekend!), but I'll post sometime tomorrow with my whole overview of this situation. I'm sure I'll be peeking into the forums from time-to-time between now and then.
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I ordered a quad CP at the beginning of Sept. I haven't herd anything since. I guess I'm out $950
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My panel arrived today and I picked it up a few hours ago.
Glad to hear you got it ... have fun playing!
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Metroid... That is one kick ass panel! Seriously, lit ball tops, friggin great. I hope you have a ton o fun with it. I'm glad you got it (and it works of course).
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Metroid... That is one kick ass panel! Seriously, lit ball tops, friggin great. I hope you have a ton o fun with it. I'm glad you got it (and it works of course).
:) Thanks
Yes so far so good, I had a little problem with wiring up the coin door, but I guess the switch was backwards, so I rewired it and BINGO working great
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One thing I still don't understand is why didn't those who never received their panels from SlikStik reverse the charges on their CC? After almost three months of waiting, I just contacted my CC company and got my money back. I'm just curious, it seems so easy.
After getting my money back, I just orderd from Scott at MAMEROOM and got my panel within weeks. I then ordered a marquee and side art from MAMEMARQUEES--that order got to me in days. So, I would definetally order from MAMEROOM and MAMEMARQUEES again, even if they get their items from Christian, I don't care, the orders from these two companies are coming and coming quicky.
This was my first time I ordered from both of those companies, and have had nothing but good success from both of them. I'd hate to see them no longer sell the SlikStik panels because of this thread--the panels are just plain awesome.
Anyway, I believe in giving good feedback when it is due, and that is why I wrote this. I think both MAMEROOM and MAMEMARQUEES did an awesome job for me. Even Christian made good on my order.
Good job guys.
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A friend of mine gave me some valuable info.
If anyone is getting ripped off by Slik Stik, please contact the NJ
Office of Consumer Protection at http://www.nj.gov/lps/ca/ocp.htm
They will help you regardless of where you live since Slik Stik is
located in NJ.
I had a complaint against a NJ company, contacted the state agency and
they got my refund in 5 days by threating to bring the guy up on charges
of fraud. They don't mess around.
Hopefully this will be useful for some. I don't know how much since the company is "gone", but it sure might help getting that web page put out of commission.
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http://www.instantlink.com/index-4.html
Mailing address look familiar?
You mean "227 Bloomfield Ave"
Do a google lots of businesses share that address so it's probably like a PO box set up or something. I just typed it into google and found chemical companies and all sorts with that address.
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Metroid... That is one kick ass panel! Seriously, lit ball tops, friggin great. I hope you have a ton o fun with it. I'm glad you got it (and it works of course).
:) Thanks
Yes so far so good, I had a little problem with wiring up the coin door, but I guess the switch was backwards, so I rewired it and BINGO working great
That is a nice looking panel, and believe it or not, we are all VERY happy you got your panel. :cheers: We'd be ECSTATIC if everyone got their panels.
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Whoa Whoa... Easy Zach. Don't say everyone would be ecstatic. I would like Mameroom to not get his panel from Christian. That way he might understand where everyone who got shafted is coming from. Although maybe he still wouldn't 'get it' because it's just business to him, and having someone lie and cheat you out of money is just part of 'business'.
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You mean "227 Bloomfield Ave"
Do a google lots of businesses share that address so it's probably like a PO box set up or something. I just typed it into google and found chemical companies and all sorts with that address.
saint's note -- I thought long and hard on this one. BYOAC is officially neutral in this discussion, and I hope things work out well for everyone. However, posting a picture of someone's house, even if it is the official business address, is a bit creepy to me. Picture removed. --- saint
Response Just for the record, and for people reading this thread in its entirety, the photos posted were just what comes up when you map out that address on Microsoft Live Maps. I don't want any readers to think that I stopped by somebody's house and took photos of it and posted them here. I was curious to see if the address was a mail-drop as was suggested and found those pics. The address, as saint notes, is listed as SlikStik's address and this is also public info. I searched the address and posted proof that it wasn't a business address.
That property is/has been owned Jerome Mascari for the last few years. Jerome (or Jerry) Mascari might be a name that some here recognize as the other part of SlikStik with Christian. It seems that somebody at that location (which appears to be a home) has their fingers in more than one pie between slikstik, Instalink internet hosting and the Automotive Waste Industry.
Instantlink
227 Bloomfield Ave
Nutley, NJ 07110
973-667-6333
Automotive Waste Industries
227 Bloomfield Ave
Nutley, NJ 07110
Phone : (973) 667-9843
Product & Services:
Chemicals & Chemical Preparations
Chemicals Reclaiming
SlikStik's other address, which appears to be a business location instead of a residence, is shared by Elite Pools LLC and Capasso Painting, Inc., Impulse Sales, Nutley Signs and god knows who else, so who knows what's up with that.
EDIT: I wanted to apologize for coming back into this thread after saying I was done. I had all intentions of walking away. But since I've already posted again, I wanted to say something that I said earlier via PM which is that I think Metroid's cab looks cool.
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Interesting.
If you go here
http://www.instantlink.com/index-4.html
The contact form sends the email to jmascari@instantlink.com
Seriously, how many businesses can run out of one house? It's all very weird to say the least.
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it would be real easy if your just a front man.
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Don't know if anyone posted this...
http://www.gobignetwork.com/classified/active/industry-leader-seeks-angel/66688/index.aspx
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I accidentally edited the wrong post - DOH !!! :banghead:
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OK, just forget about those numbers. I think it is clear at this point that no number from SS can be trusted. I just wanted to know (and get posted here) how many BYOACers were still due SS parts. It seems to be only about three now.
I think we can just make a condensed thread that says SS took money (and is still taking money) and not delivering product. For the newbies that visit this forum for info and help.
This thread in it's current form has gotten way out of hand for a simple search of should I buy a SS panel.
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I do not "Back" christian. I am taking "His" money.
NO! You are taking the money of folks who paid for panels they didn't get! And to do so is DISHONEST. An HONEST man wouldn't do such a thing.
Thats like saying that grocery store is talking the money from the people here, becuase they let Christian buy bread there. The responsibility for taking peoples money is Christians. You have been very clear that Christian have the repsonsibility for this, not the people of the forum, and I agree witht that, but the people buying from him are not "talking peoples money" either, just as little as people in here are "talking peoples money".
I would also like to point at that an action can be a contributing cause, without the person(s) taking that action beeing the repsonsible and/or to blame. Lets for arguments sake say it's true that Cristian honors less orders if people in here complain, then the complaining can be a contributing cause, however it's still Christian that is to blame and has the responsibility for beeing so unprofessional.
Maybe that was what Scott was trying to convey? Who knows, if so he has not worded himself in a very good matter, so I don't agree with a lot of his posts here. But it has understandingly been a lot of feelings involved here, and quite a lot of posts have come through in a way that might not have been the posters intentions. Quite a few posts here give the impression that the poster is only gloating about silkstik shafting consumers and going down, though i doubt that was the posters feelings.
Personally I feel Scott has gotten a lot of grief for beeing vocal in this thread, even though I don't agree with him, and a few of his posts are quite angry. I have full understanding for people wanting to boycott everyone buying from Christian, but I would urge people who just want to boycott Mameroom to at least look at Scotts other posts in the forum, and see if his actions in this thread are a one-time thing, clouded by feelings, or a general trend, and then make your descision.
Personally I'm trying to not judge peole from the things said in this thread becuase of the amouunt of feelings and money involved, that can make people from all sides say and/or do things that in retrospect was not wise.
I don't know if this even is interesting for people, or if a lurkers word carry much weight, but I felt like giving my view after following this thread for quite som time. BTW I wan't to thank people for this thread, I was myself looking into ordering a panel when I found the thread.
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I don't know if this even is interesting for people, or if a lurkers word carry much weight, but I felt like giving my view after following this thread for quite som time. BTW I wan't to thank people for this thread, I was myself looking into ordering a panel when I found the thread.
We were all lurkers once...
Still...how does it feel to know, that if you had stumbled on slikstiks "still functioning" website, and fired off a paypal payment for $1000 or so, that they would have accepted the money and given you nothing but the justification that fozzy made them mad?? THAT is what we are trying to ensure doesn't happen, nevermind gloating. In fact, there's nothing to gloat over, since stango has publicly stated that he is taking his ill gotten goods and using it to bolster his new company. Nothing AT ALL to gloat over.
I'm just curious how forgiving or tolerant you would have been if you had found this AFTER you had lost your money.
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One thing I still don't understand is why didn't those who never received their panels from SlikStik reverse the charges on their CC? After almost three months of waiting, I just contacted my CC company and got my money back. I'm just curious, it seems so easy.
I believe that the answer to your question is that many purchasers did not initiate chargeback proceedings in the appropriate time period allotted under the Fair Credit Billing Act (FCBA), which governs chargebacks. Under the FCBA, a chargeback must be filed, in writing, within 60 days of the date of the statement listing the questioned charge (NOT 60 days from the purchase date, unless the two dates are the same). Some banks, as a courtesy to their customers, will extend the period beyond 60 days in extenuating circumstances, but that is usually only in the case that the bank believes it can recover the funds (which is probably not the case here).
I was not going to post in this thread again, as I was able to successfully recover the funds I "lent" to Slikstik for a spinner that didn't ship after 30 days of ordering, but I thought it made sense to remind everyone reading this thread that there are ways to protect yourself when purchasing items online -- there are plenty of other Slikstiks out there, and while this thread has done a great job of warning prospective purchasers about the real risks involved with ordering from THAT company, it never hurts for all of us to remember that anytime we do business online, we are usually dealing with strangers.
So, a few tips:
1) Credit Cards. If you can pay with a credit card, do so. In my experience, those banks which do the best by their customers when dealing with disputes are American Express, followed by Mastercard. Visa is third, and Discover comes in dead last. If you are dealing with Discover, make sure that you document everything - in writing - as they will usually default to the letter of the law. Nothing says they can't do this, but be on your guard if that is your card of choice. Credit cards backed up by local banks and credit unions are also pretty good about protecting their members, but YMMV depending on the bank and your relationship (a large account there may help persuade the bank to rule in your favor in the event of a close dispute).
2) Paypal. Paypal inserts itself between the payor and the payee, directing funds from your bank (worst option) or your credit card (best), and slaps fees on top of the process. If you are going to use Paypal, if you can, ALWAYS change the default payment option to a credit card. Otherwise, your funds are IMMEDIATELY deducted from your account, and you lose the protections of the FCBA, and are left only with Paypal's dispute process, which you agreed to be bound by when you opened your account. This process is not as consumer-friendly as the FCPA, and you have little recourse to appeal any decision. If you use Paypal, but use your credit card, you can utilize both processes to pressure the merchant, and you can still initiate a chargeback with your credit company.
** A little note about chargebacks -- they are extremely punitive on the merchant. There is a fee associated with them (charged to the merchant - sometimes as much as $50 per transaction) by the credit card companies, and multiple chargebacks can lead to suspension or revocation of charge privileges. Multiple chargebacks can have the effect of sending a teetering company over the edge because of the fees involved and the loss of banking services.
3) Timing. What happened to many folks in the Slikstik debacle is that they were persuaded to keep on waiting for their panels/parts without challenging the transaction when they had a chance to recover their funds. Sixty days is generally a long time to allow a merchant to deliver goods and services, and most should. In certain circumstances, there may be a perfectly valid reason why goods/services haven't been delivered in the 60 day time frame, but at that point, the burden should shift. NEVER hesitate to intiate a chargeback in these situations. You can communicate to the vendor that you have done so to protect your interests, and you can always withdraw the dispute. What you CAN'T do is initiate the dispute after the deadline (unless the bank is lenient as above). A merchant with good intentions should understand your concern, and should work to either deliver the goods on time, provide a refund for the initial purchase and allow you to "re-charge" to restart the clock, or - best case - agree to charge you upon shipment.
I know this doesn't get anyone their panels or equipment, and for that I'm sorry. But, maybe it will make someone a smarter consumer for the "next time."
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:applaud: :cheers: :applaud:
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Scott Glazer from Mameroom publicly states:
"PEOPLE OF BYOAC...YOU, AND YOU ALONE HAVE A CHOICE ON HOW THIS ENDS. ALL CUSTOMERS WILL RECEIVE THEIR PRODUCTS...IF AND ONLY IF YOU REMAIN SILENT AGAINST CHRIS"....
...wow, a bold (but factually accurate) statement...what do you do?
No, that is not a "factually accurate" statement. You have no evidence that Christian would have fulfilled his obligations even if Fozzy had built a golden statue in his image and sacrificed a lamb at its feet.
So, "The People of BYOAC" had no choice in how it ended, only Christian had that choice.
There are a few problems with your proclamation here, and these problems reflect negatively on you:
- You are accepting Christian's claims as gospel, i.e., when he says that if people here play nice, then he will make good on the orders, you believe that to be as sure as the next sunrise.
- You fail to see the twisted logic behind his little arbitrary ultimatum, i.e., you fail to see that him fulfilling his obligations and how people treat him on a forum have no logical connection.
- Believing this to be a perfectly valid cause & effect scenario, you place the blame squarely on "The People of BYOAC" for Christian's reneging. Now there are plenty of potentially valid causes for the effect of Christian not being able to fulfill his obligations, but people here being "mean" to him is decidedly not one of them.
Your willingness you indulge some overgrown child's fantasies of how the world should work is why people here are coming down on you.
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I don't know if this even is interesting for people, or if a lurkers word carry much weight, but I felt like giving my view after following this thread for quite som time. BTW I wan't to thank people for this thread, I was myself looking into ordering a panel when I found the thread.
We were all lurkers once...
Still...how does it feel to know, that if you had stumbled on slikstiks "still functioning" website, and fired off a paypal payment for $1000 or so, that they would have accepted the money and given you nothing but the justification that fozzy made them mad?? THAT is what we are trying to ensure doesn't happen, nevermind gloating. In fact, there's nothing to gloat over, since stango has publicly stated that he is taking his ill gotten goods and using it to bolster his new company. Nothing AT ALL to gloat over.
I'm just curious how forgiving or tolerant you would have been if you had found this AFTER you had lost your money.
Maybe my post wasn't particualry clear, but my post wasn't about forgiving Christian, as I said, i find it (at best) very unprofessional to not deliver, and to let peoples posts here decide if random people get their panel. And maybe I to would be less forgiving if it was me. But that is why I urge people to step back and look at what people are saying other plasces than this thread, becuase it can be coloured by a lot of feelings and money.
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Can I Make an Suggestion?
Can a Moderator or the Starter of this post - Make an Edit to THE FIRST POST.
I think that EVERYONE in this thread that has a Order pending or order that WAS pending with SS be put in the first thread and that it remain updated.
It seems that after 20 pages this thread started out with one guys issue and maybe 8 or so other people who are BYOAC members came in saying they were in the same situation.
It also seems that a few 2 or 3 maybe more have received something since this thread stated.
Im not a Xtian lover or anything - you can all read my other post of my experience with SS and how i feel about him and SS, but I think it would be good to put things in perspecitve here.
I think if every BYOAC member here in this thread that is waiting on a SS product get some sort of remedy, while it does not exonerate Xtian/SS it does kind of shows that this thread ran it's corse and did it's Job.
The list should look something like this.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
EX:
COmp1demon-SS- Quad Custom Pannel $1500 order-Placed 11/5- Received
Metroid- SSXXXXPannelCustom- order placed XX//07 - Received
BYOACmember- CO2 Panel blank- order placed 11/07 - Still waiting
BYOACmember- Full SS pannel XX order Placed 1/8/08 - Refunded
YOU GET THE IDEA HERE>
I think this would be a good way to SHow Every BYOAC member sicne this thread stated, what they have ordered and where they are.
If we can get it to look like this .
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received
BYOAC MEMBER NAME --- WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received
Then This Thread Did it's job and hopefully everyone gets a Remedy that is favorable to them, Either what they ordered or a Refund.
PS: as much Scott hating as there is going on here, weather we like what he says or not - He is doing the right thing still and always has - If you get a refund from SS or just NEED TO ORDER A BLANK, if you cannot do it yourself, you should still consider mameroom. He might be dealing with Xtian, but remember if he cannot get an order filled, he will do it himself. I think MAMEROOM is still a good business to deal with.
Soory for my long rant and thread Example - but I think a list like this is a good idea in POST ONE - so we can see where things are at.
I know we cannot include NON BYOAC MEMBERS, amd im sure he has quite a few of those orders pending, but don't we care about our members here at BYOAC more than anyone else - since we don't know who other possible SS customers might be?
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This is a good idea, kind of what I was going for a few posts back, but it really seems like only a few people haven't gotten anything yet (at least of who's left reading this thread).
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That sounds like a good idea....
Seeing as when you link it goes to the first post....
But may I suggest there is a received date inserted.....Not just received....
Just to give people the whole picture..........
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Posting so I am notified of posts in this thread. What a mess.
I'm with stupid ;D
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Sixty days is generally a long time to allow a merchant to deliver goods and services, and most should.
A genuinely honest merchant, shouldn't charge your credit card at all, until they actually have goods to ship to you and are actually sending them out of the door. It's not the customers responsibility to bolster up the cashflow of the merchant. If they don't have the goods to sell to you then they don't have a business! At the end of the day, if there is any delay for any reason, or they go over the time they have quoted for producing a custom built item, then that should be at the cost of the merchant not the customer.
Look at it this way, you wouldn't walk into a high street store and say:
Customer: "I'd like that TV set please, Here's a credit card payment for it."
Salesman: "Thank you sir, I'll just take the $650 from your credit card"
Customer: "OK I'll go get my car to put it in"
Salesman: "Oh! ermmm Sorry Sir!.... We don't actually have a TV Set for you, The supplier is waiting for some parts so they can build them and their supplier is out of stock we're expecting them in next month, but we're keeping your money anyway"
NO NO NO!!! This never happens.... you'd take your card to another store down the road that DOES have TV Sets in stock. Why should you treat the internet any differently to the way you treat the high street. For your own protection, you shouldn't.
The safest way to order on line is to ALWAYS! add a note to your order stating that your credit card is NOT to be charged until the day that the goods ship. If they still then charge your card without shipping the goods, you can immediately dispute it with your bank, as a fraudulent transaction. 60 Day limit or not!
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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fozzy...as much as i agree with you on most things regarding slikstik and all of christian's buffoonery...i have to point out something very important in the case of custom work...
anything custom should require a deposit of some kind before anything is done...this protects the seller to a point in case the buyer flakes out on the custom order...all of the work that goes into making something specific to one person would be very difficult to sell to someone else who might not like what the original buyer wanted...
usually a deposit to cover most of the cost would be all that is necessary to allow the seller to be able to sell the now abandoned custom order to someone else at a discount and still make some money for their labour...
i have no problem with merchants requiring deposits on custom work and special orders for this reason...
a television set is not a custom product and so your comparison doesn't really work too well...
i definitely think that slikstick is a bit shady(one of many obvious reasons) for requiring full payment on their panels well before they are completed...
:cheers:
Sixty days is generally a long time to allow a merchant to deliver goods and services, and most should.
A genuinely honest merchant, shouldn't charge your credit card at all, until they actually have goods to ship to you and are actually sending them out of the door. It's not the customers responsibility to bolster up the cashflow of the merchant. If they don't have the goods to sell to you then they don't have a business! At the end of the day, if there is any delay for any reason, or they go over the time they have quoted for producing a custom built item, then that should be at the cost of the merchant not the customer.
Look at it this way, you wouldn't walk into a high street store and say:
Customer: "I'd like that TV set please, Here's a credit card payment for it."
Salesman: "Thank you sir, I'll just take the $650 from your credit card"
Customer: "OK I'll go get my car to put it in"
Salesman: "Oh! ermmm Sorry Sir!.... We don't actually have a TV Set for you, The supplier is waiting for some parts so they can build them and their supplier is out of stock we're expecting them in next month, but we're keeping your money anyway"
NO NO NO!!! This never happens.... you'd take your card to another store down the road that DOES have TV Sets in stock. Why should you treat the internet any differently to the way you treat the high street. For your own protection, you shouldn't.
The safest way to order on line is to ALWAYS! add a note to your order stating that your credit card is NOT to be charged until the day that the goods ship. If they still then charge your card without shipping the goods, you can immediately dispute it with your bank, as a fraudulent transaction. 60 Day limit or not!
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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usually a deposit to cover most of the cost would be all that is necessary to allow the seller to be able to sell the now abandoned custom order to someone else at a discount and still make some money for their labour
Yes I see your point..... However, Christian was taking thousands in full payments and in many cases still hasn't shipped the goods. Due to his dishonesty The only people here with losses are the customers.
If he had a percentage deposit on custom items then that's a different matter, Many of his items were not custom sales at all, but stock item options. The only thing custom being with layout on some of the panels. Potential loss being only the MDF panel top and the labour cutting it. When you take that into account, he stood to lose nothing.
So I think it really does apply here.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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A genuinely honest merchant, shouldn't charge your credit card at all, until they actually have goods to ship to you and are actually sending them out of the door.
I think you are probably being a little too draconian in your definition of "honest." There has to be SOME element of faith in a transaction (on both sides), and I hesitate to call a merchant's honesty into question if I am charged for an item before it is shipped, but I receive the item in the agreed upon time-frame, and the item is in good condition (whether custom or not). The entire economy of Ebay is based on this process (pay first/ship after), and there are plenty of honest merchants that utilize this service. I recognize that your response was colored by your feelings about SlikStik (and as I have PERSONALLY experienced trying to consummate a transaction, I share your frustrations), but you have to judge each vendor's "honesty" on his or her ability to fulfill the basic elements of the transaction. The fact remains that there is always an element of risk involved in arms-length transactions. Fortunately, there are methods for both buyers and sellers to protect themselves. That was the point of the post -- not to question what payment practices makes a merchant "honest." And frankly, I'm not sure whether those practices are relevant to the issue of honesty, as long as both parties get what they bargained for.
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anything custom should require a deposit of some kind before anything is done...this protects the seller to a point in case the buyer flakes out on the custom order...all of the work that goes into making something specific to one person would be very difficult to sell to someone else who might not like what the original buyer wanted.
Yes, I agree with this statement.
The operative words being DEPOSIT and CUSTOM.
In these circumstances, the product MUST be produced to completion, and delivered, within an agreed timeframe.
SlikStik had NO justification to take advance payment for these sorts of items :
I was able to successfully recover the funds I "lent" to Slikstik for a spinner that didn't ship after 30 days of ordering
Thankfully, this would-be customer wised up "just in time", and got himself a chargeback.
He did not let himself be fooled by Christian's lame excuses ...
Also, I'd like to point out once again that Christian penned the majority of those emails (and phone calls) that caused people to wait out their chargeback time frames.
In true heroic fashion, he stayed on the phone for long hours, putting in tireless nights in order to glad-handle his way into getting people past their CC chargeback limits, all so he could selflessly take the flimsiest of reasons to hoard the product for himself and leave his previous obligations wholly unfulfilled.
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I am LOVING the fact that he references his new business in that mail. He's totally cool with 200-some odd people (a guess: 200 people at a $100 order a piece) having to fight for scraps in the class action lawsuit that's coming, thrilled to death that he got the physical merchandise safely out of there. You couldn't have written that any better if you were attempting to cobble together a fake e-mail that totally destroys his reputation for life. Everything we said about him was 100% correct. Somehow, calling him out on his BS and predicting his movements every step of the way made us all "morons." (Morons with some kind of unexplained drinking problem as well, looking back.)
I'll give the kid that only speaks with the keys from ~ to backspace credit: his dogged determination to support a guy who apparently just concocted one of the greatest scams in the entire history of arcades certainly got him his product.
That's under-estimating the amount of money that's been pocketed.
In Christian's own words, there are over 20K worth of unfulfilled orders on a wholesale (ie, cost to produce) basis. Taking profit margins into account, this probably equates to about 50K in retail funds (ie, cold hard cash) of which people have been scammed ...
[email from Christian Stango]
I am putting a cease on all orders that I was going to be filling out of my pocket. Yes, it has to be done. I am not going to sit here and take over 20k out of my pocket to restock the part inventory, manufacture them and ship them out
There's also the outstanding, non-order related debts incurred by SlikStik, such as debts to suppliers ...
Kev Steele is owed money, for SlikStik's advertising in Retroblast, for which payment was never made.
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Well, apparently Happ Controls has gotten screwed over by SlikStik as well. I had placed an order the week of Christmas through Happ for the Spinner Assembly, knob, and some other buttons just to flush out my order to $100. When I had previously ordered from Happ before, the order arrived in a few days. This time, a few weeks passed and I still didn't see anything.
On Friday I e-mailed their customer support department and asked what the status was on my order. Just now, I got an e-mail back stating that the SlikStik spinner assembly has been on backorder for a few months now from the manufacturer. They were "supposed" to be back in stock on December 28th, but she hasn't heard anything yet.
I proceeded to make mention of this thread here and the pending litigation against SlikStik and asked if it would be possible to cancel my order altogether since they will never get the parts they've ordered. I'm just waiting to hear their response.
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I still have a few spinner tops left if you need, also I am using the ultimarc spintrack its a great spinner that the happ spinner tops fit, pm if I can help
dm
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I still have a few spinner tops left if you need, also I am using the ultimarc spintrack its a great spinner that the happ spinner tops fit, pm if I can help
dm
Do they also fit the TT2 by chance?
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I'm sorry I have never used that spinner if you can get me the shaft od I will check
dm
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According to the GGG website it's 1/4" diameter.
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I still have a few spinner tops left if you need, also I am using the ultimarc spintrack its a great spinner that the happ spinner tops fit, pm if I can help
dm
Thanks. I'll let you know. I'm kind of in a holding pattern anyway, so I said that I'd wait until the end of the month before cancelling my order completely with Happ. I was just trying to get the spinner they sell on their site since it has very little "cutting" that needs to be done to place it on the CP, and it has a built in encoder with PS2/USB feeds and support for 3 buttons, thus allowing me to avoid having to buy an Opti-Pac just to interface it with my computer.
I guess I'll start looking elsewhere for spinners. ;D
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Start (and end) with the TurboTwist 2 at GroovyGameGear.com.
It fit's in a button hole. It has the highest resolution of the spinners out there, and it comes with it's own encoder with USB connection.
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and it comes with it's own encoder with USB connection.
That will also control a trackball.
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A fellow let me know today that he got money out of stango. Here is the usenet message:
Just an update on my order with SlikStik. I ordered a $1200+ control
panel from them on 9/1/07. I never once got an email replied to from
him and never talked to him on the phone (just the machine) when trying
to find out about my order. After following this post and others I
decided I would try and get my money back today. I paid with a credit
card that was charged the day I place the order. I talked to my credit
card issuer (Chase Bank) today and even though it was charged almost 5
months ago they reversed the charges and credited my account without
even a question. They said the bank that he has his account with is
still open and it was now a fight between his bank and him as to who got
to pay for the charge. Not sure if all credit card issuers are this
good but I have to say THANK YOU CHASE!!! I have my money and will
order from a better vendor in the next few days.
Hope other people are having the same luck getting the charges back.
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I have had the same luck with my Chase card. I just called up to inquire about the $25 that paypal conveniently refuses to reimburse when a seller screws you (my purchase was for $25.57 ::) ). I just told them the date and they said "ok you have a credit on your account.
So is this guy saying the money was credited to Christian Stango's personal account originally? That is what is suggested. Just wanted to clarify that, as it answers ALOT of questions if so.
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I dunno, that's the posting in its entirety. I've asked if he knows the particular account it came out of. If it comes out of stango's personal account, then yeah, not much controversy about where the money went, eh? Hard to say the money went to slikstik if it dropped right in the account of mr Christiaan R Stango.
Still, I can't imagine Christiaan allowing this loophole to be open very long, he'll want to keep all the booty he can. If people can act, I suggest they do so now.
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I have a similar twist of good fortune. As you all might recall, my purchase was on March 13, 2007, and my credit card was charged the next day. The last contact I had with SS was on October 2, 2007. After countless unreturned phone messages and unresponded to emails, I contacted my local bank which issued my credit card (INTRUST). I instituted charge back procedures on November 11, 2007. After I provided my bank with written documentation of the dispute, SS was given 45 days to respond to my claim and I was give a "provisional" credit. Of course, SS failed to respond within the 45 day window. I just received final word from my bank that my credit is now permanent and the matter is resolved. Thank you Intrust Bank!! I will be ordering a panel from Jack at www.arcadesrfun.com.
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Still, I can't imagine Christiaan allowing this loophole to be open very long, he'll want to keep all the booty he can. If people can act, I suggest they do so now.
No but it will be very interesting if it did go directly into Stango's personal account...... Because there are two issues here.
If it did... then:
1) He has illegally embezzled that money from the rightful owner SlikStik LLC.
2) He can not hide behind SlikStik LLC. the way he has been during the course of all of this, because SlikStick were not paid for the goods by the customers... He Was!!
3) If it did go to his account then HE is personally liable for all of the failed deliveries and legally liable to ALL of the defrauded customers.
4) It would absolutely prove that his claims to be just an employee are total and utter BS.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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The message Zakk got didn't say anything about whos bank it was, it just said the bank account was still open. It's extremely easy to make a bank account for a company, so there was no reason for that bank account to not be SlikStiks account. I even have a bank account for my business and I'm the only one who works here, I just made the account so I can cash the checks written to my company.
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The message Zakk got didn't say anything about whos bank it was, it just said the bank account was still open. It's extremely easy to make a bank account for a company, so there was no reason for that bank account to not be SlikStiks account. I even have a bank account for my business and I'm the only one who works here, I just made the account so I can cash the checks written to my company.
Yes.... But if your company is registered bankrupt as SlikStik has been then that account would be frozen and not actually open.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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Although, the SlikStik website is still "alive", and continuing to take orders and cash, off whatever gullible suckers have the misfortune to come across it.
These funds are being funneled into someone's bank account, somewhere.
If they are still being funneled into an account in SlikStik's name, then obviously the account must still be active, and "someone" is still controlling the purse strings. And based on all the available evidence, that "someone" appears to be Christian.
The site is also continuing to illegally claim SlikStik as a trademark. As aforementioned in this thread, the SlikStik trademark was abandoned on May 10, 2007 :
Copyright © 2007 SlikStik TM LLC. All Rights Reserved. | All other likenesses, trademarks, product and company names
or logos appearing on the SlikStik TM site are the property of their respective owners. Site & Privacy Policy
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I missed this, but did SlikStik actually file for bankruptcy? If so then I would assume that by now someone was appointed to the case as a curator. People would have heard from this curator wouldn't they?
Maybe no one went through the trouble of getting SlikStik declared bankrupt yet.
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I've asked if he knows the particular account it came out of. If it comes out of stango's personal account, then yeah, not much controversy about where the money went, eh? Hard to say the money went to slikstik if it dropped right in the account of mr Christiaan R Stango.
Still, I can't imagine Christiaan allowing this loophole to be open very long, he'll want to keep all the booty he can. If people can act, I suggest they do so now.
For how much longer, will the SlikStik website be up and running, acting as a Honey Pot for the unwitting, continuing to take orders and cash ??
Does anyone have their Bank Manager's contact details ??
Send him a link to this thread.
He'd probably spill his coffee ... :P
... followed up by action of the "freezing" nature ... and we're not talking about refrigeration here.
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I missed this, but did SlikStik actually file for bankruptcy? If so then I would assume that by now someone was appointed to the case as a curator.
We call them trustees in the States...
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I missed this, but did SlikStik actually file for bankruptcy? If so then I would assume that by now someone was appointed to the case as a curator.
We call them trustees in the States...
Ah thanks.
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Fellow responded:
They did not say. They just said that they charged back the account
that originally was used to make the transaction.
Sorry, no more info than that. However, he's planning to order through arcadesrfun. (I've never even heard of them before today!).
Mike: That's awesome. I hope everyone else can scrape and claw their money back into their pockets, where it belongs!!! :cheers:
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I am personally glad I ran across this thread, I almost made some orders a bit ago that would have had me "blue faced mad"
Maybe someone should make a thread like this, except in positive, for the companies out there who actually do their job: for instance
I ordered about 140 bucks worth of stuff off of Andi (ultimarc in cases where people dont know) on sunday. i got the order (across the "pond") yesterday (Tuesday), a full 2 hours before I even got my DHL tracking number. Yes! thats right! I got the shipment before the tracking number could be sent out! Other than a few minor issues (ie not getting the ultimarc CD with the order, and one of the happ buttons being a bit sticky), everything went better than I had hoped (maybe because a certain "company" out there had eroded my faith in this kind of community a bit).
Maybe this "company" should take some heed from Andi, just for the sake of doing bussiness, as well as not giving the DIY arcade people some pause about the whole concept....
Also, a related note, since I didnt get the CD with my order (which I presume has some docs on it) can anyone tell me where I am supposed to connect the ground "daisy chain" wire? Am I supposed to connect it to ground on the minipac, or to the ground on the cabinet? I Emailed Andi about this, but I would really like to get started and I know he is british.. erm I mean busy; so he may not be able to email me back as quick as I would like (IE I am twitching while looking at my minipac like some crack addict that doesnt have a lighter!!! :o )
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A fellow let me know today that he got money out of stango.
he's [now] planning to order through arcadesrfun.
I've heard good things about Jack at Arcades R Fun. I'm sure your friend will end up with a nice panel that he's very happy with. :applaud:
I have a similar twist of good fortune. As you all might recall, my purchase was on March 13, 2007, and my credit card was charged the next day. The last contact I had with SS was on October 2, 2007. After countless unreturned phone messages and unresponded to emails, I contacted my local bank which issued my credit card (INTRUST). I instituted charge back procedures on November 11, 2007. After I provided my bank with written documentation of the dispute, SS was given 45 days to respond to my claim and I was give a "provisional" credit. Of course, SS failed to respond within the 45 day window. I just received final word from my bank that my credit is now permanent and the matter is resolved. Thank you Intrust Bank!! I will be ordering a panel from Jack at www.arcadesrfun.com.
Onya Mike !! :applaud:
After having been screwed around for almost a year by SlikStik (thankfully, as of today, with a happy ending, now that you've got your money back), you'll also enjoy your new panel, from Jack at Arcades R Fun.
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Also, a related note, since I didnt get the CD with my order (which I presume has some docs on it) can anyone tell me where I am supposed to connect the ground "daisy chain" wire? Am I supposed to connect it to ground on the minipac, or to the ground on the cabinet? I Emailed Andi about this, but I would really like to get started and I know he is british.. erm I mean busy; so he may not be able to email me back as quick as I would like (IE I am twitching while looking at my minipac like some crack addict that doesnt have a lighter!!! :o )
Did you read the online documentation? Ultimarc: Mini-PAC Wiring information (http://www.ultimarc.com/mp_inst.html)
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Did you read the online documentation? Ultimarc: Mini-PAC Wiring information
Ok, thanx :D I got it figured out!
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txtworld
The site is also continuing to illegally claim SlikStik as a trademark. As aforementioned in this thread, the SlikStik trademark was abandoned on May 10, 2007 :
Quote from: SlikStik
Copyright © 2007 SlikStik TM LLC. All Rights Reserved. | All other likenesses, trademarks, product and company names
or logos appearing on the SlikStik TM site are the property of their respective owners. Site & Privacy Policy
OK, I'm not entering this thread more than to say the following...the TM is not indicative of a registered mark. The TM is the symbol for a common law mark that anyone can utilize merely by doing business. The registration symbol is the R with a circle around it. Note that SlikStik was using the TM and in doing so was not illegally indicating the presence of a registered trademark. SlikStik has every right to do this and claim property right in the mark.
Too much is being made of the abandoned registration. These happen all the time and for many reasons including among other things merely not wanting to renew at the end of the five year life of the registration. Here, oddly enough, the application for registration was never granted because they filed under an intent to use statute and never submitted evidence of use. I say this is odd, because any sales receipt would have been sufficient...guess they were to "busy" to bother. Anyway, the abandoned application came as a natural course that began in around Sept 2005 when this showing was first recqested and March 06 when the first abandonment occurred.
Patent Doc
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OK Patent Doc,
Thanks for clearing that up.
SlikStik, you're pure of heart on this score. :angel:
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Happy to be of assistance...Trademark law can be confusing.
Thank God I am not one of the unfortunate customers....man I'd be pissed off.
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Mameroom/SlikStik update.
While things appear to be dying down a little within this thread....my intentions certainly are not to stir things up again. However, in light of the most recent events. I want to reafirm that I need to do what is in my business's best interest. By the overwhelming response of this forum, Mameroom has ceased it's dealings with the former manufacturer of SlikStik products and removed their products from our website.
..coincidentally, we (mameroom)...and I (Scott Glazer) are now among the casualty list as far as undeliverable product. Today I sent out an email to customers awaiting orders (now unfulfilled) that we will issue a full refund or fulfill the orders ourselves at a 10% discount (for the inconvenience).
While I have no intention of degrading anyone publicly for matters of business (as I know, stuff happens)...I want everyone in this forum to know that I have been fighting an uphill battle and lost. While my intentions were good, the end result is all that matters. I just wanted to find a way to get people the products they ordered. I thought I did that and that's the reason for me being so determined with my defensive posts.
...thus, I have an obligation to make everything right with my customers and be held accountable for my actions and words in this forum. Please accept this as a formal apoligy for me/mameroom defending a fellow vendor publicly. It probably was the worst thing I could have done for my business and I accept full liability...but I am and WILL do whatever it takes to make things right where anyone involved will benefit from. So we are starting with a 10% discount for current customers for a week or two additional wait time. We are also offering refunds so the can reorder (to reset the "chargeback" timer"), so we can manufacture and assemble the control panels ourselves.
Again, while i fully understand (and have preached) the business aspect of this matter...I now have a new found appreciation for the consumer aspect. Mameroom has been forced to "gear-up" to manufacture and sell complete control panel systems. In doing so, I'm confident we can introduce a great product line at a lower cost than ever offered before.
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Sorry to hear you are now a casualty Scott. Despite the heat of this thread, I seriously doubt anyone here would have wished that upon you.
As an aside, I just tried to go to SlikStik's website...it's down.
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Mameroom/SlikStik update ...
By the overwhelming response of this forum, Mameroom has ceased it's dealings with the former manufacturer of SlikStik products and removed their products from our website.
Hooray !! Three cheers for Mameroom !! :applaud:
Scott, your cabinet kits have always has a GREAT reputation in the past, for outstanding build quality at affordable prices ... know that you've made this decision, you'll continue to enjoy the community's full support ... just put it down to a "learning experience", eh ??
coincidentally, we (mameroom)...and I (Scott Glazer) are now among the casualty list as far as undeliverable product. Today I sent out an email to customers awaiting orders (now unfulfilled) that we will issue a full refund or fulfill the orders ourselves at a 10% discount (for the inconvenience).
Bummer ... Christian's dudded you too ... does that guy KNOW NO DEPTHS ?? ... but "good on you" Scott, for your commitment to making things right for your customers.
I want everyone in this forum to know that I have been fighting an uphill battle and lost.
An uphill battle ?? ... mate, that's an understatement ... trying to convince Christian to make good on those estimated 50K (in retail funds) of outstanding orders, was always going to be tougher than climbing Mount Everest.
Please accept this as a formal apoligy for me/mameroom defending a fellow vendor publicly.
Apology accepted ... BTW, there's nothing wrong "in principle" with defending a fellow vendor publicly, but it all depends who that vendor is, and what their track record has been.
I now have a new found appreciation for the consumer aspect. Mameroom has been forced to "gear-up" to manufacture and sell complete control panel systems. In doing so, I'm confident we can introduce a great product line at a lower cost than ever offered before.
Great news !!
Healthy competition among reputable vendors producing quality proudcts, can only be a good thing.
Jack at Arcades R Fun has been experiencing an extra surge of orders as-of-late, but it looks like he's about to have a new competitor on the block !!
Best of luck to both of you, I'm sure there'll be "more than enough" business for all.
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Mameroom/SlikStik update ...
By the overwhelming response of this forum, Mameroom has ceased it's dealings with the former manufacturer of SlikStik products and removed their products from our website.
Scott,
Have you completed the website updates ??
If you have, then for the benefit of all, please explain why SlikStik products continue to be shown on these pages :
http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_UAII.asp
http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_showcase.asp
Note, I can understand them being shown on these cabinet pages for "compatibility purposes only", as no doubt customers who formerly purchased SlikStik panels (and were fortunate enough to receive them) would appreciate seeing how they'd integrate into your cabinets.
But what about this page, where you offer the SlikStik control panels for sale (but with the "SlikStik" name removed from them) ?? : ???
http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_controllers.asp
These look and sound suspiciously like SlikStik designs, but with the "SlikStik" name removed :
The Classic, CO2, and Quad ... and complete with a Tornado spinner ??
It appears you've handed Christian some cash, to obtain the rights to his designs.
Now, if that's the case, I won't make any criticism ...
You're a businessman, and the SlikStik designs were generally regarded as good designs (the problem was the non-delivery of product - and prior to that, the atrocious customer service).
So, as a businessman, why not make the decision to "buy the rights" and manufacture them yourself ??
If this is the case, it's OK, but for everyone's benefit, please clarify ... given your recent business venture with Christian (and vigourous defence of him), we need it spelled out in black and white.
And please provide an unqualified, unambiguous assurance that Christian will have no ongoing involvement in your business.
Then everyone will be happy. :applaud:
EDIT :
This page (from above), actually "does" still refer to the panels you're selling, as being SlikStik branded products :
http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_controllers.asp
The SlikStik Quad unit is the only arcade control panel ...
... visually enhance your SlikStik panel with top of the line graphic design.
Scott, I really hope the explanation for this, is that your website updates have yet to be applied. :dizzy:
Otherwise, we really do need an explanation. ???
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This goes directly to Mameroom!!!
GOOD! IM glad you realized it was not worth it.
FOr those of us that can not BYOAC - I hope you can come up with a line of control pannels and configurations that will make slikstik look like a bad nightmare (no pun intended).
I can't wait to see what you come up with!
Any other user here still getting F***ed over by Xtian/SS? IF so post what u ordered and where you are. Again this thread is to make sure all BYOAC members who are PENDING with SS/Xtian get a refund or their product.
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I just tried to go to SlikStik's website...it's down.
The Honey Pot has finally run dry.
::)
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Mameroom,
Your slate is wiped clean in my book. Good luck in selling complete panels. :applaud:
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..coincidentally, we (mameroom)...and I (Scott Glazer) are now among the casualty list as far as undeliverable product.
I think it goes with a little dance *swings arms around and sings "we told you so so, we told you so so*
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I just tried to go to SlikStik's website...it's down.
The Honey Pot has finally run dry.
::)
Or SlikStikstian didn't pay the hosting bill either and got disconnected.
Though the domain registration was renewed on 2007-09-13, but then that might have been done by the ISP.
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Have you completed the website updates ??
If you have, then for the benefit of all, please explain why SlikStik products continue to be shown on these pages :
http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_UAII.asp
http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_showcase.asp
Sorry, I haven't completely gone through our website...all links/references will be taken down shortly. I think I will leave the pictures up for "compatibility" for customers who currently own one of these panels...but the links to purchase will be removed.
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Scott,
I hope that you, to protect others from falling into xtians next money trap, are willing to give more details of this "new business at which xtian will succeed". I'd hate to see this all happen again just because xtian tries to take advantage of people under a different name.
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Unfortunately, I do not have too many details other than what I have already mentioned. Contrary to what people have thought, our (Mameroom/scott) relationship with Chris was primarily a business one...and not so much on a personal level.
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Sorry, I haven't completely gone through our website...all links/references will be taken down shortly. I think I will leave the pictures up for "compatibility" for customers who currently own one of these panels...but the links to purchase will be removed.
Onya Scott. :applaud:
There's no issue with maintaining "historical reference information" on your website, that shows the "compatibility" of your cabinets with existing SlikStik panels, manufactured in days long gone.
As long as you're no longer selling, promoting, manufacturing, or affiliated with SlikStik products, nor with any other products that Christian may try to flog under a new business name (he'll probably come up with one soon).
Everyone would LOVE to see you manufacture your OWN, FULLY INDEPENDANT line of panels, to complement your truly impressive cabinets.
We'll patiently wait for your designs to come to fruition. :D
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Missioncontrol,
How about giving Scott a break, and removing that "Birds of a Feather" banner from the bottom of your posts ??
Scott ... we're taking you at your word here, so please follow through with what you've announced.
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I'm toying around with the idea of building onto our Control Panel Designing software. The software (for those who are not familiar with it) allows you to design your own control panel (size, layout, controls, colors, etc...). You can then have the software generate a detailed set of drawings to cut and build the acutal panel...or you can (at a click of a button), purchase a ready-to-assemble kit based on your design. Why not expand that to a complete control panel?
Here's the old link (need to migrate it to the new site)
http://www.mameroom.com/CPKD_info.asp
...and believe me, a lesson has been learned.
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Or SlikStikstian didn't pay the hosting bill either and got disconnected.
Not on your life.
He's sitting on an estimated $50K of funds (in retail terms), of money received from orders that will never be fulfilled.
And he had new orders coming in "by the day", from unwitting newcomers who came across his site.
Do you think he'd pull the plug on that "river of gold", over a lousy $8 hosting bill ??
Don't think so.
Most probably his bank froze the SlikStik merchant account ... no merchant account, means no mechanism to charge people's credit cards, means no way to keep the money coming in. :hissy:
No more money coming in, means the website is no longer of any use ...
So in the end, he probably "pulled the plug" on the website himself.
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Missioncontrol,
How about giving Scott a break, and removing that "Birds of a Feather" banner from the bottom of your posts ??
Scott ... we're taking you at your word here, so please follow through with what you've announced.
why don't I just wait and see if he follows through first, I mean after all according to him, I'm an idiot..
...I apoligize to the rest of the forum, but this guy's and idiot (sorry saint, but the truth shall ring free, and LOUD).
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Ya, I apolgize for that...I am human too and sometimes let my emotions get the best of me...but I don't expect to be exhonerated...I take full responsibility for my words and actions.
I look forward to showing this community what Mameroom is all about and what we can offer it.
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why don't I just wait and see if he follows through first, I mean after all according to him, I'm an idiot..
Fair enough.
Scott,
I guess the onus is now on you, to follow through on the commitments you've made.
We'll all be keeping a close eye on your website, and watching for imminent updates to it. ;)
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Once we are fully setup to manufacture complete panels (a couple of weeks...we were kinda thrown into this area of manufacturing abruptly), we will be offering a discount for all SS customers who never received their merchandise...if they choose to place an order with us....because that's all I wanted to do in the first place, was to get these people their control panels.
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I look forward to showing this community what Mameroom is all about
I think you already did that.
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Why are people assuming the company filed for bankruptcy or is no more....
http://www.gobignetwork.com/classified/active/industry-leader-seeks-angel/66688/index.aspx
That is still up and so the business by definition must be a going concern. Chances are the site has been pulled in an attempt to let the heat die down.
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=slikstik.com
That is the whois information... It was updated yesterday. It has some strange locked information listed but that might be normal and i just havn't seen it before. Looks like the domain name is just not pointing to an IP address right now.
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Or SlikStikstian didn't pay the hosting bill either and got disconnected.
Christian basically hosts that himself. Or, rather, his buisness partner does. It was hosted via Instantlink which is one of the other businesses run out of the SlikStik hideout offices.
..coincidentally, we (mameroom)...and I (Scott Glazer) are now among the casualty list as far as undeliverable product.
Hey scott. Would it be possible to clarify this. Does this mean, as people are assuming, that Christian didn't come through with orders placed through your website for SlikStik panels? Also, for curiosity sake, did he just stop answering your phone calls as well, or did he tell you he wasn't going to do these panels anymore or are we all misreading this?
Thanks
qb
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MAMEROOM/SCOTT: i will wait for you to get caught up with orders and get your "design your own panel" up and, like i promissed, i will be ordering a panel for a machine i am just about to start. im glad you changed your mind about christian and i hope he didn't screw you out of any cash.
VICTOMS OF SLIKSTIK: anyone that did not get there cash back or a panel from slikstik please pm me. i have an empty slikstik 4player panel that i will sell very, very cheap. this offer is only for those who got the shaft from slikstik. i only have one of them. first come first serve.
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VICTOMS OF SLIKSTIK: anyone that did not get there cash back or a panel from slikstik please pm me. i have an empty slikstik 4player panel that i will sell very, very cheap. this offer is only for those who got the shaft from slikstik. i only have one of them. first come first serve.
:applaud:
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hi, everyone. i'm one of the lurkers that's been reading this thread for a week or so, and i have to say i'm very glad i did. i've been saving my "play money" for over a year to buy the CO2 controller. last week, when i went on slikstik's website to finally place my order, the site was down. a google search brought me to this forum and saved me from becoming another victim of unfulfilled orders. i was very, very happy to see scott was selling the CO2 on mameroom.com.
now i see that's not an option anymore. (i can't blame you, scott.)
my question for all of you is this: in your opinion, what's the controller that's most similar to the CO2? (i like the dual joystick controls.)
i'm very new at MAME and appreciate any and all opinions i can get from all of you.
thanks again in advance for any suggestions and for saving me from making what most likely would have been a huge mistake.
shari
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I would contact Jack at arcadesrfun.com. He does custom work for free, so I don't think it would be difficult for him to add joysticks for you in similar places to where they would go on a CO2.
Additionally, I have ordered both a panel from him and a CO2 from Slikstik, and I can say from experience that the quality of his work is superior.
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I'm impressed with a couple of the recent posts by "lurkers" and low post count members. Wish more people had such reasoned thought processes. But "txtworld", man, you need to sit back and just read rather than spouting crap (like the TM stuff you've already been corrected on). Quit with the "50K of funds (in retail terms)". You have NO idea what his profit margin is, so this is absolute made-up nonsense. The world of custom-made niche products is not like Walmart.
PS: Sounds like there's a nice market gap left open for *someone* to step in and fill... ;D
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I will be removing my little SS/MR banner. Thank you Scott for (finally) taking the high road when it comes to SS and their dealings.
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spouting crap (like the TM stuff you've already been corrected on).
I'm not a trademark lawyer.
I made no claims to the contrary.
And I was happy to stand corrected by Patent Doc (thanks). :notworthy:
However, I did discover the SlikStik trademark was abandoned on May 10, 2007 (**), and the fact remains, it would seem unusual for a business that is a going concern, to just let the registration of their trademark "slip away".
Patent Doc mentioned they could have maintained this registration, by simply presenting a sales receipt :
Here, oddly enough, the application for registration was never granted because they filed under an intent to use statute and never submitted evidence of use. I say this is odd, because any sales receipt would have been sufficient ... guess they were to "busy" to bother.
(**) RayB, I look forward to you similarly contributing some tangible information to this discussion, or at least demonstrating some level of courtesy towards fellow posters.
OK, I've had harsh words for SlikStik, but they've been warranted, and have helped contribute towards saving newbies (like shari) from a lot of grief :
hi, everyone. i'm one of the lurkers that's been reading this thread for a week or so, and i have to say i'm very glad i did. i've been saving my "play money" for over a year to buy the CO2 controller. last week, when i went on slikstik's website to finally place my order, the site was down. a google search brought me to this forum and saved me from becoming another victim of unfulfilled orders.
... thanks again in advance for any suggestions and for saving me from making what most likely would have been a huge mistake.
Regarding your other (rudely stated) piece of advice :
Quit with the "50K of funds (in retail terms)". You have NO idea what his profit margin is
I made it plain this was an estimate, I never quoted that as a precise figure.
People has been assuming that SlikStik were sitting on 20K of cash from orders.
Someone had summised, that because Christian said he'd need to spend "over 20K out of my own pocket" to produce the unfulfilled orders, that it meant there must be 20K in order funds outstanding.
My point was, the order funds outstanding (on a retail basis) must be a larger amount.
The MARGINAL (UNIT) COST to produce, on a WHOLESALE basis, does not equal the RETAIL funds received.
The retail funds received must be a larger amount, as it must include a PROFIT MARGIN (the owners of the business need to make a return on investment), and must also include an OVERHEAD COST component.
RayB ... your naivety aside, please accept that ALL businesses, if they wish to remain in business, need to include these components in their pricing ... not just WalMart. ;)
Your remarks make no sense anyway ... Niche businesses need to include a larger margin in their pricing. WalMart can afford to have a very slim margin indeed (on a "per unit sold" basis), because they can recoup their overhead costs (and make a profit) over millions of units of product sold.
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I will be removing my little SS/MR banner. Thank you Scott for (finally) taking the high road when it comes to SS and their dealings.
Good stuff FrizzleFried !! :applaud:
Scott deserves the opportunity to honour his commitments.
Missioncontrol, I reckon it's time to bury the hatchet.
Let's give Scott the chance he deserves.
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FWIW, I noticed that Scott apologized for defending a fellow vendor (which is not, in itself, something to apologize for) and that he regrets the impact of using SlikStik as a supplier.
I also notice that he does not seem to be sorry for calling certain BYOAC members selfish and blaming them for Xtian's bailing on his promise. Those people (myself included) were acting in good faith and simply recognized the history that Xtian has had, including the times when he presented himself specifically as the owner of SlikStik.
Is the recent change a simple business decision because Scott has realized that his actions have hurt MAMERoom or does he actually believe that he was out of line ?
I'm not convinced and don't see a reason why MC needs to be.
:dunno
EDIT: for spelling
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Well you now have no reason notto get a X Arcade controller.
They have great customer service, just make sure you live in the USA, and their products will stand the test of time.
Click Saint's link above to get you there. :cheers:
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Well you now have no reason notto get a X Arcade controller.
They have great customer service, just make sure you live in the USA, and their products will stand the test of time.
Click Saint's link above to get you there. :cheers:
Even better, go for one of their 40 pound, 37 inch wide, XXL Mame panels :o
http://www.xgaming.com/mame-panel.shtml
I don't think there's a link from the XGaming website to this product - you must use the URL above (Saint, do you have an affiliate version of this link ??)
There's no requirement to live in the USA, their products ship internationally. Although, it's a bit hard to take advantage of the "30 day money back guarantee" and "lifetime warranty" from overseas.
Note, this panel is currently out of stock (has been for a while), but they finally have an ETA, and you won't be charged until your order ships :
Place order now, item will be back-ordered and shipped in Feb 08. You will be guaranteed inventory and you WILL NOT BE CHARGED UNTIL ITEM SHIPS.
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BYOAC X-Arcade affiliate link (http://www.x-arcade.com/landingpage.shtml?kbid=1041). Thanks for asking! :)
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RayB ... your naivety aside, please accept that ALL businesses, if they wish to remain in business, need to include these components in their pricing ... not just WalMart. ;)
Your remarks make no sense anyway ... Niche businesses need to include a larger margin in their pricing. WalMart can afford to have a very slim margin indeed (on a "per unit sold" basis), because they can recoup their overhead costs (and make a profit) over millions of units of product sold.
Big businesses purchase in bulk which gets them smaller prices (the more you order, the smaller the individual item cost). On top of this are sometimes distributors taking their cut, etc, etc.
You don't know what Slikstiks costs are. You don't know what their markup is. You contribute nothing by pulling figures out of your ass. For all you know all the revenue went up his nose and he's sitting on $0.
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RayB,
I'm glad you now agree that profit margins apply to ALL businesses, which must be incorporated (along with overhead cost allocations) into the retail price.
Pofit margins only apply to WalMart ... LOL :laugh2:
You don't know what Slikstiks costs are. You don't know what their markup is.
As I've made clear, I've never claimed to know the actual markup amount.
My estimate was solely to emphasise the point, that there IS a markup involved, so the amount of cash received for unfulfilled orders would far exceed the "over 20K" that Christian quoted as the cost to produce the unfulfilled orders (which only equates to marginal costs on a wholesale basis).
For all you know all the revenue went up his nose and he's sitting on $0.
LOL ... point taken ... NOW you're contributing some interesting ideas to the debate. :)
I guess only Christian knows the answer to that one.
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FWIW, I noticed that Scott apologized for defending a fellow vendor (which is not, in itself, something to apologize for) and that he regrets the impact of using SlikStik as a supplier.
I also notice that he does not seem to be sorry for calling certain BYOAC members selfish and blaming them for Xtian's bailing on his promise. Those people (myself included) were acting in good faith and simply recognized the history that Xtian has had, including the times when he presented himself specifically as the owner of SlikStik.
Is the recent change a simple business decision because Scott has realized that his actions have hurt MAMERoom or does he actually believe that he was out of line ?
I'm not convinced and don't see a reason why MC needs to be.
Well said! It saved me from saying it.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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I will be removing my little SS/MR banner. Thank you Scott for (finally) taking the high road when it comes to SS and their dealings.
Good stuff FrizzleFried !! :applaud:
Scott deserves the opportunity to honour his commitments.
Missioncontrol, I reckon it's time to bury the hatchet.
Let's give Scott the chance he deserves.
(http://media.canada.com/8c8b3290-2b08-4dc6-8e3e-2cc645fdfe05/070920_crocker.jpg)
LEAVE MAMEROOM ALONE
how about this
Let's give Scott the chance he earns.
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That's actually kinda funny MC...brought on a chuckle.
If I outright CALLED someone a name, or outright accused someone of something...then I apoligize. I didn't re-read everything here, but I can only recall actually calling out one person directly...in which I apoligized.
I made some general statements...if people took offense to those as if I was accusing them...all I can say is I'm sorry you feel that way. While I may have been wrong in my decisions to offer certain products, I do not believe I was wrong in attempting to get people their products by letting Chris do so. I do recall that my whole point was for people to "back off" a little to see what happens...if nothing good happens, then continue fighting the good fight. I will not apoligize for trying to do what I thought was right when it comes to that...I'm sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear.
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I made some general statements...if people took offense to those as if I was accusing them...all I can say is I'm sorry you feel that way. While I may have been wrong in my decisions to offer certain products, I do not believe I was wrong in attempting to get people their products by letting Chris do so. I do recall that my whole point was for people to "back off" a little to see what happens...if nothing good happens, then continue fighting the good fight. I will not apoligize for trying to do what I thought was right when it comes to that...I'm sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear.
That's strange, I don't recall seeing anybody restraining a struggling Xtian while he so valiantly battled to get people their stuff ... everybody DID let him do so ... it's just he DIDN'T do so.
It's not about what I want to hear and I never actually expected you to apologize to the folks you said didn't care, called selfish and blamed for Xtian's latest failure to deliver.
If I am rubbing people the wrong way by saying that pissing chris off will not get other's their panels...then I'm I truely am sorry, but...Given that FACT, that certain people in here could care less about whether or not other received their panels...and the FACT that Chris publicly (even though through a 3rd party) stated that this was the EXACT reason for not doing was I knew would happen. Let's say I blame them for DELIBERATELY pissing chris off enough to not fullfill his promise to get people's products out...but we ALL know that's what they wanted from the beginning to add fuel to THEIR fire. Selfish.
The only thing you are sorry for is that the community reacted badly to what you did and wanted to do.
And there really isn't anything wrong with that -- I just wanted to point out the difference between reactive marketing spin and an actual revelation.
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Let's say I blame them for DELIBERATELY pissing chris off enough to not fullfill his promise to get people's products out...but we ALL know that's what they wanted from the beginning to add fuel to THEIR fire. Selfish
I meant what I said...I honestly believe that several people in here would rather OTHER people not get their panels than to back-off. You CANNOT tell me that I'm wrong. If you are one of those people...then anything I say, you are going to have a problem with.
Here, let's end this...it's noone's fault in the BYOAC forums...full BLAME goes to the person/people/business who failed to complete any part of an agreed transaction. I'm sorry for implying otherwise.
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I meant what I said...I honestly believe that several people in here would rather OTHER people not get their panels than to back-off. You CANNOT tell me that I'm wrong. If you are one of those people...then anything I say, you are going to have a problem with.
Of course I can tell you that you are wrong, because I believe that you are.
Of all of the people who posted, and continued to post, facts and opinions that reflected poorly on Xtian, I don't believe that any of them had the evil motives that you assign to them.
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Fine...IF that's the case and EVERYONE had good intentions...I'm wrong (if I am wrong...and an apoligy for being wrong is warranted as well...then I apoligize).
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Could we just leave Scott alone at this point? I was in the fray with you guys arguing with him, but at this point I think the continued witch hunt is reflecting badly on BYOAC.
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While I don't think anything said here "reflects badly" on BYOAC, I do agree that we should all just chill a little. The object of our ire SHOULD BE Christian...as we've stated many times before. But he isn't the only one that owns SS. Where is the equal outrage at the other owner (Jerry M.). Where does he fit in to all this?
Scott, you'd be best served to stop posting in this thread. It seems that your views of this situation are quite the contrary of many in here and they are provocative. You are inviting argument by expressing them in here.
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That's probably good advise. I'm actually going to take a break from here for awhile to focus my efforts and time on updating our CPD software as afore mentioned.
...I sincerely wish everyone the best
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You guys might find this thread from alt.games.mame from late 2001 (yeah that long ago) VERY interesting, and revealing.
http://tinyurl.com/3buays
Here's just one of about 50 posts in this thread:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:20:33 -0000, "Cutting Edge"
<c...@cutting-edge-cards.com> wrote:
>anyone notice the similarity between this post (from Christian the owner of
>Slik ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---)
<snip>
>And this one...(from Pcotte - a future customer of theirs)
<snip>
Mate, Jesus that was well spotted. I think they're the only "two"
people I've ever seen here to post with a 3 line break. Here, I'm only
doing it now to illustrate how rare and distinctive this is...
Actually Chritian being pcotte makes sense. They're tone and language
is very similar. Rick is probably the other partner (which explains
why Christian contradicted Rick about meeting at his house).
You know, like all crooks they didn't get their stories straight...and
ended up contradicting each other.
Not sure who FogBreath is; he probably owns the garage they use to
build their one and only SlikStik. Indeed, this is the one they show
off on their web page. And, the only one they ever intend to build.
Over the next few months they plan to get as many $400 orders as they
can, without producing a single SlikStik. Then, as things become too
heated, transfer the money from paypal to a Swiss Bank account and
head straight for South America to join a religious Christian Cult.
Glad I watched Scooby Doo as a kid. This 3-line break is stupid; I'm
going back to one line..
There, that's better.
lob
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My company [emphasis mine] produced the SlikStik for many reasons. As a retro gamer myself I
love to play games, I have done so since my first C64 and over the years I
have always enjoyed playing older and newer games "the old lady still
bitches from time to time" but it really is a shame the you "lob" have been
on here posting very negative comments and trying to give our product a "bad
name".
-Christian, December 6, 2001
I will say it again, what does that look
like to you, well to me "especially as one of the owners of the SlikStik, [emphasis mine] it
looks like their was a hidden agenda, maybe this "lob" character actually is
working with the makers of the "OzStik" or maybe its just a HUGE coincidence
that a maker of another control panel just happened to come across this post
and JUST HAPPENS to be an aussie.
-Christian, December 6, 2001
Proof is in the pudding....
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That thread is one of my personal favourites and I will take the opportunity to point out the title of the thread, as created by Xtian:
"SlikStik Owner (message to all)"
and pay particular attention to
"especially as one of the owners of the SlikStik, it looks like their [sic] was a hidden agenda"
It's pretty easy to see why people believe that Xtian is/was more than an employee of SlikStik ...
EDIT: Dammit Frizzle, you type too fast !
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I don't believe Scott has been left "out of pocket" by Christian. He's too clever and canny, with too much business acumen, to allow that to happen :
The fact of the matter is...whether Chris is or was just an employee (which is my understanding) or a partner, or even the owner of SlikStik LLC...It is an LLC which protects him personally...unless you wrote a check out to "Christian S" directly. I know this, because I have several LLCs set up by my attorney and business consultant for this very reason.
... anyone who put that much forethought into setting up an LLC business structure to "cover his ass" if all goes south, would NOT be naive enough to allow himself to be duped by Christian.
Yes, Christian has not produced the panels Scott ordered from him (to fulfil his own Mameroom orders), but you can bet Scott set up a COD payment arrangement with Christian, ie, "you don't get paid UNTIL I see my panel".
As to whether he was naive enough to believe his stated proclamation, that Christian was nothing more than a "mere employee" of SlikStik, well, that's open to conjecture.
Let's say I blame them for DELIBERATELY pissing chris off enough to not fullfill his promise to get people's products out...but we ALL know that's what they wanted from the beginning to add fuel to THEIR fire. Selfish.
... Scott, I've only repeated this quote, because you proclaimed to CheffoJeffo that you continue to stand by it :
I meant what I said...I honestly believe that several people in here would rather OTHER people not get their panels than to back-off. You CANNOT tell me that I'm wrong.
That's a pretty sweeping statement.
I think you'll find we were all stoked when Mike Ahearn got his money back a few days ago (through his bank processing a chargeback on his behalf), after his cash had been MIA with SlikStik since March 2007.
It's a pity that getting chargebacks through a bank, is the only remedy still available ... none of us have "held Christian back" from whipping out his chequebook & sending out refunds himself, or completing the unfulfilled orders.
Guys, I think you're correct in your summation that Scott hasn't had a sudden change of heart towards our point of view ... his decision to sever ties with Christian is most probably a BUSINESS DECISION driven by a plunge in new orders Mameroom has experienced, since he made the ill-judged decision of joining forces with Christian.
He's now back-pedaling to salvage Mameroom's profitability.
Or maybe profitability has been "just fine", but Scott has come to realise that Christian is a supplier who cannot be relied upon.
Whatever ... the point is, this is a business decision, first and foremost.
But having said that, DOES IT REALLY MATTER what the MOTIVATION was behind Scott's decision ?? Surely the OUTCOME is what matters most ... and the outcome is that he's severed ties with SlikStik products and Christian (at least, that's what he's promised to do).
If Scott follows through on this commitment, surely this is the outcome everyone desires, so his motivation becomes somewhat irrelevant.
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If I outright CALLED someone a name, or outright accused someone of something...then I apoligize. I didn't re-read everything here, but I can only recall actually calling out one person directly...in which I apoligized.
Strange, I don't recall seeing an apology from you....
Personally I couldn't care less either way. You're just a minor side issue. That's not to say your behavior in here was acceptable in any way either to me personally or this community, and as far as I'm concerned your damage limitation exercise here is as unbelievable and disingenuous as your original posts.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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I've read whats there of this entire thread.
At this point, all i can say is, let mameroom alone and see how he conducts himself in the future. Anything else directed at him now is just repeat flaming. Yes he made some posting mistakes. Yes he's appologized. All thats being brought up now has been brought up before a few pages back. Yes the association with Christian has tarnished his reputation.
I agree with cheffo and fozzy regarding that slickstick/christian character. If the name of his new business gets known, it needs broadcast around to warn everybody about him.
It makes me glad i was able to get "whitey" from Dustin mustangs, i was able to see his actual finished cabinet "blackie" and its a really nice cabinet design. I'm glad i have the capability of making a new control panel myself for whitey. It also makes me a bit jealous since i dont have access to a cnc panel cutter.
Anytime i offer something for sale, i keep the payment separate until i know the customer is satisfied. Its the easiest way of dealing with refund nastiness in my opinion.
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You know I have been away for a few weeks, and it's kind of sad to see mameroom being dragged through the mud like this. From a business aspect he has never (from multiple personal experiences) given anything but WOW service to his customers. I have seen him go way out of his way on quite a few occasions and have been left slackjawed by his customer service. (BTW, I mean that in a sincerely good way)
At the end of the day isn't that what really matters, is there ANYONE here that can say they have ever got ripped off, or had bad service from mameroom? If not then does any of the rest of it really matter? He is always quick, easy to communicate with, and values his customers and his business.
Speaking for myself, THANK YOU MAMEROOM, I don't care about the rest of the crap, you still have my business, and all of the folks I consult for.
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At the end of the day isn't that what really matters, is there ANYONE here that can say they have ever got ripped off, or had bad service from mameroom? If not then does any of the rest of it really matter? [emphasis mine]
Yes, it matters. Well, it mattered. Decisions have been made that takes him off my personal ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- list (not that he really cared if he was on it...nor should he)...but yes, it mattered.
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At the end of the day isn't that what really matters, is there ANYONE here that can say they have ever got ripped off, or had bad service from mameroom? If not then does any of the rest of it really matter? He is always quick, easy to communicate with, and values his customers and his business.
Look for any posts on here about VMJ, you'll see a lot of unhappy people. I don't understand how selective peoples memories are when it comes to this stuff. At this rate christian will be back up and running in a few months and everything will be forgotten... :dunno
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At the end of the day isn't that what really matters, is there ANYONE here that can say they have ever got ripped off, or had bad service from mameroom? If not then does any of the rest of it really matter? He is always quick, easy to communicate with, and values his customers and his business.
Look for any posts on here about VMJ, you'll see a lot of unhappy people. I don't understand how selective peoples memories are when it comes to this stuff. At this rate christian will be back up and running in a few months and everything will be forgotten... :dunno
Yah, I was surprised that Scott had such a colorful "history" here as well...
...and I had absolutely no idea he had threatened to sue Saint back in 2003 was it? I sure am glad that I was pointed in the right direction. Very interesting reading indeed.
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My last question in this thread is for Scott:
Scott, who 'owns' Mameroom. I heard you mention and praise LLC's and I just wonder if you OWN it, or you consider yourself an "employee".
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...and I had absolutely no idea he had threatened to sue Saint back in 2003 was it?
Link?
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Scott, who 'owns' Mameroom. I heard you mention and praise LLC's and I just wonder if you OWN it, or you consider yourself an "employee".
...Not being sarcastic, but what do you want to hear?
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The truth? :dunno
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I have posted information below for anyone seeking answers to some important questions that they may have:
As when you LLC, Incorporate , when you form an Ohio LLC , you, the member / owner, are not personally liable for its debts and liabilities, but also have the benefit of being taxed only once on your Ohio LLC or corporate profits. Perhaps, an equally important feature is the flexibility of an Ohio LLC . With an Ohio LLC you are not required to abide with corporate formalities such as annual minutes . Keep in mind though that you still need to keep your bank accounts and paperwork separate so you avoid being considered a sole owner instead of a corporation.
The above was taken from:
http://www.businessnameusa.com/State/OH/form_llc.htm
-You can do a google search to find your own sites, but this one popped up at the top of the list for me.
Unfortunatley (for many wary customers), if business owners had to fear personal persecution or financial liability for a failed business, they wouldn't start a business to begin with...the US government NEEDS small businesses to survive...therefore, they offer protection for them in the form of LLCs.
I know this is not what this forum wanted, or needed, to hear...but I was asked about my own LLC...and I wanted to provide an honest answer....this is why I praise LLC's as a business owner. I did say OWNER....but again, this doesn't mean much as far as what people want to hear.
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...and I had absolutely no idea he had threatened to sue Saint back in 2003 was it?
Link?
FrizzleFried, MC,
Your question is off-topic, but given you've asked :
The users "Mameroom", "VMJ Team", and "CyberPunk" are all related.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=10463.msg79174#msg79174
I can't participate. I got banned from Mameroom when Cyberpunk was planning to hire lawyers to try to shut down BYOAC. :'(
I cry....and I cry.
Yes, this was an unfortunate situation that has since been resolved. ...
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...I think what DOES matter, is how comfortable consumers are doing business with a DOT COM company. Because, whether they know it or not...anytime they order something online...they are in EXACTLY the same situation as what has transpired with SlikStik....you just don't hear about it all that often.
The term "Buyer Beware" has probably been heard by almost everyone in this forum...but never had to deal with it personally. That's why I feel it is important in running an online company, that customer support and service come first.
The users "Mameroom", "VMJ Team", and "CyberPunk" are all related.
Yes, that is correct:
VMJ Team...when posting for Digital Innovations LLC
CyberPunk...when posting for Cybertech Designs LLC
Mameroom...when posting for Mameroom Designs LLC
...all alive and well.
I'm glad someone found that link...proves what I was trying to say earlier...people NEED something to complain about, even way back then.
Clarification on the "lawsuit" issue (since someone is truely "digging" now). Some disgruntled BYOAC members decided to purchase our DIY plans and offered to freely distribute them on BYOAC. A clear violation of the Cybertech Designs copyright. Saint handled the situation and it's all water under the bridge. Props to saint (as always).
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My favorite reply was from a fellow that posted:
why do people seem to have the need to harp about everything? Jesus people, it's just a friggin give away. Let it go. Who cares if it doesn't fit your wanna-be lawyer mentality of what's legal and what isn't. Lets just pick it apart until it's dead. Is that the game you're all playing? Holy mother of God, just let it go...
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Some disgruntled BYOAC members decided to purchase our DIY plans and offered to freely distribute them on BYOAC. A clear violation of the Cybertech Designs copyright.
Agreed,
Given your explanation of the circumstances (which I was unaware of),
No-one could stand by and watch their ideas and plans, which are your intellectual property, and a saleable product, be bandied around for free.
It is understandable that you needed to address the situation.
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...yes (thank you), it was one of those things that seems to get picked apart and blown out of proportion all to quickly in here.
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...I think what DOES matter, is how comfortable consumers are doing business with a DOT COM company. Because, whether they know it or not...anytime they order something online...they are in EXACTLY the same situation as what has transpired with SlikStik....you just don't hear about it all that often.
The term "Buyer Beware" has probably been heard by almost everyone in this forum...but never had to deal with it personally. That's why I feel it is important in running an online company, that customer support and service come first.
The users "Mameroom", "VMJ Team", and "CyberPunk" are all related.
Yes, that is correct:
VMJ Team...when posting for Digital Innovations LLC
CyberPunk...when posting for Cybertech Designs LLC
Mameroom...when posting for Mameroom Designs LLC
...all alive and well.
I'm glad someone found that link...proves what I was trying to say earlier...people NEED something to complain about, even way back then.
Clarification on the "lawsuit" issue (since someone is truely "digging" now). Some disgruntled BYOAC members decided to purchase our DIY plans and offered to freely distribute them on BYOAC. A clear violation of the Cybertech Designs copyright. Saint handled the situation and it's all water under the bridge. Props to saint (as always).
So, are all of those usernames the same guy sitting behind the keyboard, then? All Scott?
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Perhaps it's a "God thing" ;)
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...yes (thank you), it was one of those things that seems to get picked apart and blown out of proportion all to quickly in here.
FWIW - as I remember there was a bit more of a wrinkle to it than that.
Something like the plans used to be free or used to have no copyright restrictions on them and then Scott (Cyberpunk) decided to sell them on his site, but the question was whether the original plans that were obtained for free and did not have the copyright on them could be freely distributed.
The answer came down to a legality that copyrights can be applied retroactively unlike trademarks and patents (I am not a lawyer), so since they were Scott's (Cyberpunk's) IP, he could specify how they could be distributed.
But as Scott said, IMHO, the BYOAC members interpretation at the time was incorrect, Saint handled the issue properly, and it is (and should remain) water under the bridge now.
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The answer came down to a legality that copyrights can be applied retroactively unlike trademarks and patents (I am not a lawyer), so since they were Scott's (Cyberpunk's) IP, he could specify how they could be distributed.
Actually in legal terms that's not the case at all. If you release something into the public domain, you can't then later (retrospectively) take it back as your own copyright property.
However...... The technicality may lie with the fact that although Scott distributed them freely, that does not necessarily make them public domain, and as the designer of them he does have the right to determine how they are distributed, unless he specifically released them to public domain.
This was the cause of the confusion between "Freeware", which is free to download but on which the owner reserves his rights (as in these plans) and "Public Domain" which is also free to download but on which the designer does not reserve rights and you can do as you wish with (which did not apply to these plans).
If something is public domain, then you can edit it or alter it or even re-sell it if you want to. If something is Freeware then mostly your rights are restricted to your own personal use and you may not re-distribute it (usually the restrictions applied by the original designer are legally valid).
Hope that clarifies the issue......
So Tiger-heli.... No, you can't retrospectively apply copyright... A designers copyright is automatic from the time he creates the design. If he then releases it to "Public Domain" he can't later claim any copyright over it. But if he releases it as "Freeware" He can reserve whatever rights within the law he sees fit to reserve.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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Great clarification Fozzy, and something to keep in mind for anybody posting designs.
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Here, let's end this...it's noone's fault in the BYOAC forums...
I just wanted to go on record about this.
1) It was NOT my fault.
2) I wasn't even involved.
3) I don't appreciate getting blamed for it.
:laugh2:
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Haha - you've got to be careful laying blame...
On a separate note, does this thread really need to go on? I think we only need one more post in it... The new name of whatever business Christian is operating under...
8)
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The Cyberpunk username was changed to VMJ Team, Do a search on the VMJ Team posts and you see that username was Cyberpunk before. We all know what a jolly fellow he was, maybe there has been now reply because he is drinking away everyones money with Christian.
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The Cyberpunk username was changed to VMJ Team
Correct.
Scott, does the extinction of the CyberPunk username mean that "Cybertech Designs LLC", is no longer trading ??
Mind you, Scott's not the only person who's been "juggling" usernames :
"Freebox Team", I believe you were previously known as "Barcrest".
We all know what a jolly fellow he [CyberPunk] was ...
Hmmm ... I can't comment on that, I'm unaware of the history.
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Just as I thought it necessary to offer an explanation regarding the lawsuit issues...Here I am in a thread about SlikStik...now offering an explanation as to why Barcrest, uh freebox...is bringing up the past. Talk about off-topic...
Yes, my company also sells software...one title is Virtual Music Jukebox. Freebox (formerly know as barcrest), offered similiar software, but didn't charge for it. Anytime a user would post anything (good or bad) about our software...he was all over that post promoting his. That is his right, but doing your own search...it wouldn't be hard to figure out just how he provoked me into a mudslinging fight...
Actually, keep this in mind...I NEVER ONCE slammed anyone's product or software....EVER. Just see how many times this guy does just that.
...I've since learned to keep my thoughts and words (and typing fingers) under control....that doesn't mean I don't WANT to say certain things anymore...I just matured a little since then (I grew up).
...I also know that this particular post is going to relive everything and I'M SURE, we are going to see MANY quotes from posts over 3 years old....I've got nothing better to do today. So let's see where this goes.
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Umm... I do care about mud, mameroom, some barcrest something and all that, but can we start a new thread for it? I'm keep going to this thread to see if Xtian's new company has been outed yet and I keep seeing stuff about a Jukebox mameroom software company that sued Saint and then praised him... Kinda off topic. So although I do want to find out about all that stuff, can we keep this thread about Xtian and SS and the new company?
Thanks :)
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Every forum needs it own "super-longest-ever--what-was-the-topic-again?" thread though.
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i thought that was the lightbulb thread here though. :D
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Every forum needs it own "super-longest-ever--what-was-the-topic-again?" thread though.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=44853.0 (NSFW)
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that is the
best. thread. ever.
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Let me rephrase that.
Every forum needs it's own "super-longest-don't-have-to-worry-about-the-boss-or-the-wife-walking-in-while-I'm-trying-to-figure-out-what-the-topic-was-again" thread.
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Fozzy
:applaud: :applaud: :applaud:
That was a great explanation of public domain and freeware in the context of copyrights....I know you don't need my praise, but well done!!
Saint
Posted by: saint Posted on: Today at 08:26:31 PM
Insert Quote
Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on Today at 08:24:51 PM
Every forum needs it own "super-longest-ever--what-was-the-topic-again?" thread though.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=44853.0 (NSFW)
that string makes me feel funny :-[ >:D
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...sticky!!!
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Anyone remember Romper Room? Loved that show. Any relation to Mameroom???
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIRu8-5Nyek[/youtube]
Note: there exercises are excellent as a warm up for Robotron.
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Anyone heard anything from the AG that submitted?
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...dude...I was ON Romper Room! They even called my name in the magic mirror!
:cheers:
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...dude...I was ON Romper Room! They even called my name in the magic mirror!
:cheers:
And suddenly it is all so clear ...
:cheers:
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:laugh2:
PS: SlikStik is still down and out! :applaud:
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...sure would be nice if this very important thread was stickied...then I'd not have to bump it every few days.
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Here, I'll help keep it alive also.
IKEA. Ikea would do a good job of making/selling arcade flat packs. All they'd need is a small display of 1 x jukebox, 1 x bartop, 1 x fullsize cab. My guess is they'd be *significantly* cheaper than other flat pack makers. Know any?
Of course I don't know anyone in Ikea management. And, even if I did, being Scandinavian...they'd probably just sit around and laugh in their demeaning Scandinavian accents "ew look this lob idiot thinks we can sell flat packs of arcade machines at a profit...this moron has no idea. hehe." Well f*&^ you Ikea. I fuc**ng hate your stupid store and your crap furniture anyways. Yeah fu*% off back to Europe and leave the rest of the world alone...
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That's a really odd ninth post, bro.
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I second that...
Ok...so back to the point...Any new news? I am still without product and my wallet is still feeling the pain.
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I second that...
Ok...so back to the point...Any new news? I am still without product and my wallet is still feeling the pain.
That was this dude's tenth post.
;D
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The irony is endless...
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The irony is endless...
i'd like a free refill of irony please...ty...
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RayB,
I'm glad you now agree that profit margins apply to ALL businesses, which must be incorporated (along with overhead cost allocations) into the retail price.
Pofit margins only apply to WalMart ... LOL :laugh2:
That's not what I meant doofus. The margins DIFFER because Walmart has to cover the costs of running stores, distribution, marketing, advertising, employees, etc, etc while SlikStik only needs to cover himself and his home-based operation. So the margin required can be drastically different (ie: smaller for Slikstik)
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Don't worry, I reported that last idiot to the Moderator :)
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"You can't report your own post to the moderator, that doesn't make sense!"
Damn it.
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Lob is off his meds.
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Of course I don't know anyone in Ikea management. And, even if I did, being Scandinavian...they'd probably just sit around and laugh in their demeaning Scandinavian accents "ew look this lob idiot thinks we can sell flat packs of arcade machines at a profit...this moron has no idea. hehe." Well f*&^ you Ikea. I fuc**ng hate your stupid store and your crap furniture anyways. Yeah fu*% off back to Europe and leave the rest of the world alone...
Nice tantrum :hissy:. Seen too much Fightclub have you? Anyway if you think it's such a brilliant idea, why don't you do it yourself? The big boss at IKEA is the richest man in the world!
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That's not what I meant doofus. The margins DIFFER because Walmart has to cover the costs of running stores, distribution, marketing, advertising, employees, etc, etc while SlikStik only needs to cover himself and his home-based operation. So the margin required can be drastically different (ie: smaller for Slikstik)
You could also say because Walmart deals in such ridiculous volume, and SlikStik deals in double digits, Walmart's margins can be microscopic in comparison and they'll still make money.
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You could also say because Walmart deals in such ridiculous volume, and SlikStik deals in double digits, Walmart's margins can be microscopic in comparison and they'll still make money.
Chadtower,
Thanks for demonstrating that this is a fairly straightforward line of reasoning. :)
But it's of no use ... I've already spelled that out to RayB, and he doesn't want to listen (or politely agree to disagree) ... he'd rather just ignore that reasoning, and hurl his personal attacks :
Niche businesses need to include a larger margin in their pricing. WalMart can afford to have a very slim margin indeed (on a "per unit sold" basis), because they can recoup their overhead costs (and make a profit) over millions of units of product sold.
Not that I know why RayB's still dragging it up ... that discussion took place almost two weeks ago ... yesterday's news.
About the only thing left of any interest in this thread, is FrizzleFried's question of whether it'll get a sticky.
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About the only thing left of any interest in this thread, is FrizzleFried's question of whether it'll get a sticky.
I dunno about that. I'd like to see updates from the people who got robbed saying that they either got their money back, got their product, or had a successful lawsuit.
-Harry
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Well, it"s been stickied. :cheers:
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OK, not the best picture, but the very first custom Mameroom made panels (without overlays)...completely wired and ready to go...except I'm waiting for the spinners to arrive. These panels were custom based on the customer's specifications.
We are currently working on several control panels (all custom and different sizes). I will post pictures as they become available if there is an interest as an SS alternative.
(http://www.mameroom.com/ssPanels.jpg)
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Scott,
Good effort ... your panels look great. :D
I presume the red arrows are highlighting where the spinners shall be installed.
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What spinners are you going to use
dm
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one guess what the customer wanted....and probably why I'm waiting...but ordered them through happ!
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Oh no - spinner delay? Here we go again...
;D
(You seriously need to standardize on the TT2!)
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Good luck waiting. A few weeks ago I inquired to Happ about said spinner and the response I got was "out of stock and no ETA as to when it will be available".
:laugh2:
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Still nothing for me...I'm out my cash for the last 3 months and have nothing to show except promises...
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The website doesn't even work for me, just tells me there's no website there....
http://www.slikstik.com anyone else getting the same thing?
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The website doesn't even work for me, just tells me there's no website there....
http://www.slikstik.com anyone else getting the same thing?
Umm, they're closed. Permanently. Until Christian resurfaces under a new name. He most likely is waiting until this thread dies down, and the AG case is over...
Do yourself a favor and buy from another vendor.
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I'm surprised to hear you can't get the spinner through Happ. I ordered one about a week and a half ago, and it's already shipped (I even called Happ and specifically inquired about it, due to SlikStik's disappearance).
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Why would anyone buy a product manufactured by a company that is out of business and went out stealing money from a community you visit? Why not simply buy a GGG TurboTwist 2 being it's a BETTER solution anyway...or any of the number of other spinners out there?
What happens when your spinner dies and you need a part? Will Happ help? I dunno.
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I for one only knew that their website was down, not that they're thieves in some way. If it dies, I buy a different spinner. Pretty simple.
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Can anyone repost or link to the post with the info to contact.. whoever it was a group of ya'll was getting in touch with to file claims against slikstik or whatever? I did a quick search and apparently missed it (24 pages to dig through so..)
I'm currently out around 900$ and am way past my banks charge back thing. I ordered back at the end of July and Christian told me I was the 4th order that was put on hold, and was going to be one of the first orders that got sent out as he started his gift giving or whatever you wanna call it. Haven't received one email response or had one phone call answered since I talked to him right after the new year.
Basically I'm a big dumb dumb and should have taken some action way back when.
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http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72444.msg770743#msg770743
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Thank you very much :)
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Has anyone contacted a personal attorney??? I'm starting that way. PM me if you prefer.
We could always ban together and say screw the AG, hire an attorney ourselves and go after him:
http://www.lawinfo.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/Client.lawarea/categoryid/41
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I sent an email to Mrs. Nicolette and received a response about 3 minutes later.
I am so sorry to hear about your connection with them…. You seem to be one of the lucky ones who even has had a conversation with Chris this year…
All the complaints (and there have been many) have been forwarded to the state attorney general’s office. As of this week they are all still being reviewed for further proceedings
I will forward your email to them immediately. Annmarie Nicolette
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Hello, I have a part from a SlikStik cabinet (the black plastic piece w/magnet that keeps the keyboard drawer in place) that just broke. Is there any way I can get a replacement for this?
Thanks,
Shoegazer
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Without seeing a picture of what you are talking about, I get magnetic latches in the cabinetry department at the local home improvement store.
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All,
I just filled out the on-line form that formally registers a complaint. I'd encourage
you all to please help by filling one yourselves as well. You can find the link here...
http://www.nj.gov/oag/ca/ocp/ocpform.htm (http://www.nj.gov/oag/ca/ocp/ocpform.htm)
It took only 5 minutes... no sweat. Since the scum at Slik Stik have taken
down their web site (making it a little more difficult to chase them) here's
the necessary contact information...
Slik Stik
227 Bloomfield Ave
Nutley, NJ 07110
Phone: +1 973 667 6333
Fax: +1 973 667 9865
jmascari@instantlink.com
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if anyone that did not get their money back or a panel want a slikstik quad panel pm me. i have one here that was never mounted on a game and never used. i did install joysticks in it but that was as far as this panel got. i had one guy that wanted it but he has stopped comunitating. the price is $130+ shipping. i can ship it greyhound if you want. they are pretty cheap on heavy things. i shipped a whole back end of a model t ford with them for less than $50. it is already boxed up and ready to go.
THIS IS ONLY FOR PEOPLE THAT SLIKSTIK SCAMMED!!!
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i sold a machine the other night and the guy that was picking it up said he recently bought a "slikstik", and claimed to have recently (within the last couple months) spoke to christian. when i started asking questions if he was still in business, he started changing the subject, and his friend was giving him a weird look. I live about 10 minutes from "Slikstik", so i think these guys that were at my house might know him.
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i sold a machine the other night and the guy that was picking it up said he recently bought a "slikstik", and claimed to have recently (within the last couple months) spoke to christian. when i started asking questions if he was still in business, he started changing the subject, and his friend was giving him a weird look. I live about 10 minutes from "Slikstik", so i think these guys that were at my house might know him.
Dude, one of them may have BEEN Christian.
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Or one of the Mascari's
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maybe.....i should stop by that address. i alway thought about ordering from him, as i work just a couple miles from his location, but never did......lucky me, i guess
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just a note that I just ordered two slikstik spinner knobs and a tornado spinner via Happs and received both within a week or so. As usual Happ overcommunicates every breaking development since a SlikStik spinner/knob order will immediately be classified as "backordered"
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For those that have asked to test out our new control panel designing software...here it is in Beta.
http://www.mameroom.com/files/MameroomCPD.zip
This software is different from our other version. Our previous version (still available) allowed you to create a control panel of any length, depth, and height. This software is limited to our standard 2 player and 4 player control panels and will be used for ordering fully assembled control panels.
Some key features of this version are:
Clicking on a control will bring up a properties windows that will allow you to select a color, accurately place the control on the control panel, and even specify what you want the control to be mapped to (if you want something other than the default). This means you receive a custom control panel, custom programmed to your exact specifications...
...no more just settling for what's available.
Still to come:
1) Integrated costing and ordering
2) CAD import feature
3) Custom Overlays
4) Illuminated buttons/joysticks
5) Additional controls from other vendors.
6) T-molding color options
If interested, please give it a try and provide feedback.
Thanks.
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When I ordered my SlikStik i told him i had to have it at my door within the paypal dispute period, or i'd file. He said there were customers in front of my order, that he couldn't do it, so I didn't pay. Then, he agreed. So in the payment to him, i noted, will be at my door on, or before _____ and it sure got here by then, he even had to overnight it to me at 175 bucks extra shipping (my expense). But, after talking to him on the phone, my gut said he was shady. So, I made sure I was covered. Whatever doesn't hit my door within paypals dispute period, gets a dispute opened on their --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules--.
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When I ordered my SlikStik i told him i had to have it at my door within the paypal dispute period, or i'd file. He said there were customers in front of my order, that he couldn't do it, so I didn't pay. Then, he agreed. So in the payment to him, i noted, will be at my door on, or before _____ and it sure got here by then, he even had to overnight it to me at 175 bucks extra shipping (my expense). But, after talking to him on the phone, my gut said he was shady. So, I made sure I was covered. Whatever doesn't hit my door within paypals dispute period, gets a dispute opened on their --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules--.
But you had to pay almost four times for shipping.
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When I ordered my SlikStik i told him i had to have it at my door within the paypal dispute period, or i'd file. He said there were customers in front of my order, that he couldn't do it, so I didn't pay. Then, he agreed. So in the payment to him, i noted, will be at my door on, or before _____ and it sure got here by then, he even had to overnight it to me at 175 bucks extra shipping (my expense). But, after talking to him on the phone, my gut said he was shady. So, I made sure I was covered. Whatever doesn't hit my door within paypals dispute period, gets a dispute opened on their --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules--.
But you had to pay almost four times for shipping.
but I got my product.
and no, it wasn't four times. he was shipping it at no charge to me because i ordered the quad+pin buttons, lighted joys, smooth mounted ball etc... i bought the works. I also live on the westcoast. so in reality, I just paid the shipping I would have had to pay if he didn't give me free shipping for my rather expensive order. four times, not sure where you got that math solution seeing as you have no idea of the point to point shipping.
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I am guessing you had an entire CAB shipped for the $175? The 4x remark likely comes from an estimate of what shipping would be for a control panel only...which shouldn't cost much more than $40-$50 to ship tops.
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But you had to pay almost four times for shipping.
Product in hand is better than promises in the air.
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Product in hand is better than promises in the air.
I think that, in this situation, we can safely say that product in hand is a total freaking miracle !
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I think that, in this situation, we can safely say that product in hand is a total freaking miracle !
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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I am guessing you had an entire CAB shipped for the $175? The 4x remark likely comes from an estimate of what shipping would be for a control panel only...which shouldn't cost much more than $40-$50 to ship tops.
I think you are missing the "overnight" part. Shipping a frankenpanel overnight coast to coast could easily cost that much.
Should you have paid that? No way.
Should you have issued a charge back and told Slikstik you would re-purchase once it cleared so you could reset the claim timer? Yes.
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I would have to disagree...it would seem simple to issue a chargeback then "just get your money back" and re-buy. However, "Slikstik" or whomever's account it is (it ain't Christian or Slikstik's), doesn't have "Buyer's Assurance."
What does that mean? It means that if he/she/it stiffs you, Paypal will freeze their account and send you funds if available. However, would you imagine that there are funds available in that account? Course not, so basically, you are screwed with Paypal. Why would someone screwing people keep funds in account that could be taken back?
I know for a fact...
Moral of the story...Paypal sucks...know your terms of agreement before you buy ANYTHING online with ANY purchase method.
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I would have to disagree...it would seem simple to issue a chargeback then "just get your money back" and re-buy. However, "Slikstik" or whomever's account it is (it ain't Christian or Slikstik's), doesn't have "Buyer's Assurance."
What does that mean? It means that if he/she/it stiffs you, Paypal will freeze their account and send you funds if available. However, would you imagine that there are funds available in that account? Course not, so basically, you are screwed with Paypal. Why would someone screwing people keep funds in account that could be taken back?
I know for a fact...
Moral of the story...Paypal sucks...know your terms of agreement before you buy ANYTHING online with ANY purchase method.
If you get screwed, file a paypal claim and win, paypal pays you back up to $1000 minus $25. I was screwed on a $25.78 transaction once. I won, and sure enough got my 78 cents. I then called my CC company and got the rest back.
When I say chargeback, I mean go directly do your credit card company.
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I am guessing you had an entire CAB shipped for the $175? The 4x remark likely comes from an estimate of what shipping would be for a control panel only...which shouldn't cost much more than $40-$50 to ship tops.
since the majority of this thread is about being ripped off by SlikStik, I'd assume paying extra for shipping is still better than paying the right amount for the control panel that never arrived... so i guess they over paid for air, yet you guys want to discuss my cp shipping costs? I would like to add that I have shipped things I sold on ebay, and i have never been able to ship anything from the westcoast to the eastcoast for 40 bucks that was as heavy as a quad controller with all the joys/trackball/etc... but that's just me.. not a shipping pro.
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I would have to disagree...it would seem simple to issue a chargeback then "just get your money back" and re-buy. However, "Slikstik" or whomever's account it is (it ain't Christian or Slikstik's), doesn't have "Buyer's Assurance."
What does that mean? It means that if he/she/it stiffs you, Paypal will freeze their account and send you funds if available. However, would you imagine that there are funds available in that account? Course not, so basically, you are screwed with Paypal. Why would someone screwing people keep funds in account that could be taken back?
I know for a fact...
Moral of the story...Paypal sucks...know your terms of agreement before you buy ANYTHING online with ANY purchase method.
Yes, but then they couldn;t use paypal, or as soon as a deposit was made (sale) i'd get the money, right? That's what I did a few years back to a guy who ripped me off. i won the dispute, then a long time later i got the money so he could use paypal again.
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i have never been able to ship anything from the westcoast to the eastcoast for 40 bucks that was as heavy as a quad controller with all the joys/trackball/etc... but that's just me.. not a shipping pro.
Volume shippers get deals.
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Heads up...
I just fielded a call from the Attorney General's office in NJ.
They are going to try and contact everybody that's written in
to them and move forward with this. Yahoo.
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For those that have asked to test out our new control panel designing software...here it is in Beta.
If interested, please give it a try and provide feedback.
Thanks.
I thought I'd let you know that this software appears to work perfectly under WINE 1.0 rc1 on Ubuntu.
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Slik Stik is now selling under the moniker "Customarcadeproducts" on ebay.
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How do you know it's the same guy?
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How do you know it's the same guy?
Custumarcadeproducts completed listings (http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=so&sbrftog=1&dfsp=32&satitle=&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sadis=200&fpos=25510&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&fis=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&seller=1&sass=customarcadeproducts&fsop=32&fsoo=2)
He is located in the same town as Mr. Christian, and is selling Slikstik products - sans the Slikstik name. Seems he isn't having much luck though. ;)
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FrizzleFried started a thread about the same ebay store (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=79692.0)
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The auctions have AIM and yahoo messenger contacts for them. Might be of use to some of the fellas here.
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What's the latest word regarding the Attorney General
checking into this? Has anybody heard anything?
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ROFL. I havent been on the forums in 6 months, I cant believe this post is still going. SlikStik must have stepped on a lot of toes or something.
Whats even better is the Admin made it a sticky.
LOL. I love the stuff....
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ROFL. I havent been on the forums in 6 months, I cant believe this post is still going. SlikStik must have stepped on a lot of toes or something.
Whats even better is the Admin made it a sticky.
LOL. I love the stuff....
I was thinking the exact same thing.....
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Red Alert!! He's Baaaaaaaaaaaack ---
http://www.decadearcade.com/index.asp (http://www.decadearcade.com/index.asp)
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Interesting... seems he is hiding his info now...
Registrant
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
(480) 624-2599 Phone
(480) 624-2598 Fax
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
decadearcade.com@domainsbyproxy.com
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Interesting... seems he is hiding his info now...
Lol, that bodes well for the "service" he's going to give this time around.
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Someone needs to forward this information to the DA that is working on the SS case.
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This is really bizarre. Why would he front the main page with the same name? Actually, only the 'affiliate' and 'web store' links are headlined 'Decade Arcade'. Ooops? Hmmm.
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Maybe someone else has taken over the operation, a new owner or something.
:banghead:
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Heh, heh...when I first read it I thought it said "Decayed Arcade"
Definitely need to forward this to the DA on the case.
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He also seems to have sold his mailing list to spammers.
I give every business a unique email address. A few days ago, I got sleazy casino spam sent to the address I used when buying from SlikStik. There's no way that anyone could have gotten that address unless he gave it out or was hacked.
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You could very well be right, but that's not the only explanation for getting that spam. Back when I had a linux server running my mail server, the logs would report emails received for invalid email addresses, and I would get like 100 a day to seemingly randomly generated email addresses. Seemed like a stupid tactic to me, but it went on for at least a year and maybe more (don't recall really) until I switched to a different email server that doesn't log that stuff.
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I should clarify. I'm extremely familiar with spammers and their tactics, and I have a sufficiently strong technical background to back up my claims. I have my own domain (several in fact), and everything sent to this particular domain goes into my inbox. I monitor my mail logs regularly, and I can say with confidence that my domain has never been subjected to dictionary or other attacks. I've owned this particular domain for many years, and nobody owned it before me.
SlikStik is not the first company to leak a tagged email address, but the number of companies to have done so is quite small. I have a couple hundred tagged addresses in the wild, and only half a dozen or so have ever been spammed. One was the classic Ameritrade fiasco-- they leaked two different addresses before closing their security hole.
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Just checked tonight, and http://www.decadearcade.com/ (http://www.decadearcade.com/) seems to be empty - the web pages are gone, but the server is up and running.
Don't know if he's just changing the web pages, or is retreating again into the electronic ether...
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Exposed and back in hiding...but one of us will find him...and bring the :censored: fight to him... :cheers:
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He's probably aware of this thread.
Either way, i hope the guys that got screwed, put the screws on him.
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He's probably aware of this thread.
I'd think it likely. Page won't load, now.
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anything new on this? My brother bought a quad cabinet a long time ago, before all the shenanigans.
I think it's too bad it turned out this way because the product is really nice, I guess there are alternatives though. but for people that didn't want hassle and wanted something nice this was the way to go.
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Yeah, this whole thing is a shame. I remember when Slik Stik was one of the crown jewels in the Buy your own arcade controls market place. I have a fighter and a custom quad and I love them.
I have been out of the game for a while, who is the best in the marketplace right now for a plug and play solution? Also, what happened to all of the custom Slik Stik products like the tornado and the metal or illuminated handles? Are those gone forever or has some other industrious soul duplicated these products?
Sorry I am out of the game, so if this has already been answered flame me privately as to not threadjack too much more.
Thanks,
Myron
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I have been out of the game for a while, who is the best in the marketplace right now for a plug and play solution? Also, what happened to all of the custom Slik Stik products like the tornado and the metal or illuminated handles? Are those gone forever or has some other industrious soul duplicated these products?
I got my custom panel from ArcadesRfun and LOVE it!
See my thread for pics:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=76724.0
I've since replaced the dedicated 4-way stick for a Happs top-fire.
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Yeah, this whole thing is a shame. I remember when Slik Stik was one of the crown jewels in the Buy your own arcade controls market place.
More like a cubic zirconia than a crown jewel.
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I beg to differ. I have a SlikStik cab and love it, and it's definitely of higher quality than most arcade cabinets. I was at a movie theater a few weeks ago and they had a few standup fighters etc. It was amazing to me how much higher quality my SS cab is than those cabs.
I realize there's a fair amount of bias against the company at this point, but you have to see through that when you're looking at their cabs on a quality basis.
Shoegazer
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I beg to differ. I have a SlikStik cab and love it, and it's definitely of higher quality than most arcade cabinets. I was at a movie theater a few weeks ago and they had a few standup fighters etc. It was amazing to me how much higher quality my SS cab is than those cabs.
I realize there's a fair amount of bias against the company at this point, but you have to see through that when you're looking at their cabs on a quality basis.
Shoegazer
Actually, I don't. It's not like you paid $500 for your "super-friends" themed cabinet. You paid for a well built cabinet. However, you also paid for the labor to put it together, and then 40% profit on top of that.
Seriously, let's see how happy you would be with your slishswick cabinet if you forked over ALLLLL that cash for it, and then gave you squat. THAT is the point of all this 'bias' in this thread. If you want to start a "gosh slishstink is the BEST cabinet maker on the planet" thread, go right ahead.
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I beg to differ. I have a SlikStik cab and love it, and it's definitely of higher quality than most arcade cabinets. I was at a movie theater a few weeks ago and they had a few standup fighters etc. It was amazing to me how much higher quality my SS cab is than those cabs.
Let's see how your SS cab looks after being on location for a while ... ::)
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I beg to differ. I have a SlikStik cab and love it, and it's definitely of higher quality than most arcade cabinets. I was at a movie theater a few weeks ago and they had a few standup fighters etc. It was amazing to me how much higher quality my SS cab is than those cabs.
Let's see how your SS cab looks after being on location for a while ... ::)
And try moving it around a bit. I've never seen one in person, but didn't they use particle board and outrigger cams? That crap can't stand up to any kind of moving around. They eventually rip out. I wouldn't call it solid if it can't be moved at all. Most REAL arcade machines can be moved around and beat on by delinquents all day and keep going...
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I own a SS cab, and it is one of the most well put together cabs I've laid hands on. I don't recall the wood type and assembly method, but I can look if anyone's interested. When I wrote the book, we compared a variety of cabinets and the SS cab was hands down the most impressive.
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Saint loves SlikStik! :o
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I own a SS cab, and it is one of the most well put together cabs I've laid hands on. I don't recall the wood type and assembly method, but I can look if anyone's interested. When I wrote the book, we compared a variety of cabinets and the SS cab was hands down the most impressive.
That may be compared to kit cabs, but compared to a screwed and glued real cab, I don't think there is any comparison. How comfortable are you with just moving your SS cab around, and say putting it on a hand truck and lugging it up a flight of stairs?
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I don't have a SS cab, but have a variety of cabs that I obtained in a variety of conditions and I can say that anybody who tries to compare a cab that has been sitting in a remote location, subject to heavy abuse and neglect, possibly for decades, to a brand new HUO cab isn't making an appropriate comparison.
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I own a SS cab, and it is one of the most well put together cabs I've laid hands on. I don't recall the wood type and assembly method, but I can look if anyone's interested. When I wrote the book, we compared a variety of cabinets and the SS cab was hands down the most impressive.
That may be compared to kit cabs, but compared to a screwed and glued real cab, I don't think there is any comparison. How comfortable are you with just moving your SS cab around, and say putting it on a hand truck and lugging it up a flight of stairs?
I own 10 or so real cabs too, and was including them in that comparison. It really is a well put together piece of kit. It is a flat pack assembly thingie though, so the actual arcade machines are quite likely the more sturdy, but the SS cab is solid through and through. It's an entirely separate point from their business and business practices, which I won't comment on, but I've always liked the SS products.
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I don't have a SS cab, but have a variety of cabs that I obtained in a variety of conditions and I can say that anybody who tries to compare a cab that has been sitting in a remote location, subject to heavy abuse and neglect, possibly for decades, to a brand new HUO cab isn't making an appropriate comparison.
And Cheffo's got a good point there.
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anybody who tries to compare a cab that has been sitting in a remote location, subject to heavy abuse and neglect, possibly for decades, to a brand new HUO cab isn't making an appropriate comparison.
Well I'm certainly not. I am however comparing it to a traditionally built screw and glue construction as opposed to outrigger\cam construction. It just doesn't hold up. Now, if you don't move it ever, and it's not used on location, I don't see a problem with home use only. A disclaimer should be mentioned however, especially in an objective review. Me, I prefer something a little more durable, just in case. Back in my apartment hopping days I can't count how many pieces of cheap particle board cam construction furniture didn't make it to the next place...
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Well I'm certainly not. I am however comparing it to a traditionally built screw and glue construction as opposed to outrigger\cam construction. It just doesn't hold up. Now, if you don't move it ever, and it's not used on location, I don't see a problem with home use only. A disclaimer should be mentioned however, especially in an objective review. Me, I prefer something a little more durable, just in case. Back in my apartment hopping days I can't count how many pieces of cheap particle board cam construction furniture didn't make it to the next place...
Safe to say we're on the same side ... I was just surprised to see Shoegazer try to make such a comparison -- I've seen some 20+YO HUO/NIB cabs and authentic cabs certainly don't start off looking like the way they do after years of abuse in a corner in a movie theatre.
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Cheffo has a good point, but in my case, I was commenting on things like wood thickness and the melamine in the arcade cab vs. the formica on my SS cab. That has nothing to do with wear-and-tear. Not that it matters to the quality of the cab itself, but I also noticed the buttons they used in the arcade cab were nowhere near as high quality as the Happ buttons SS chose to include on my cab - and that also had nothing to do with the fact that they were pressed 10 billion times more than mine.
Having said all that, I feel very badly that some of the folks on this thread got as screwed as they did. I guess I'm lucky in a sense that I actually got my cab, but I still feel as screwed as any customer in a more "normal" situation would when they spend a lot of money on a product and the company they bought it from goes belly up overnight. I'd love to send my panel back to SS to have a flush mount Trackball installed in place of my original, but now I know that'll never happen, especially since I don't have the tools needed to do it myself.
Shoegazer
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Cheffo has a good point, but in my case, I was commenting on things like wood thickness and the melamine in the arcade cab vs. the formica on my SS cab. That has nothing to do with wear-and-tear. Not that it matters to the quality of the cab itself, but I also noticed the buttons they used in the arcade cab were nowhere near as high quality as the Happ buttons SS chose to include on my cab - and that also had nothing to do with the fact that they were pressed 10 billion times more than mine.
Other than my Nintendo cabs, all of mine are 3/4" either plywood or particle board. That is pretty much standard. Are you suggesting that Slikstik built cabs with thicker material (they might have ... I don't have one) ?
As for buttons, pretty much the lowest quality buttons I have ever had on a cab were Happ buttons (and they were crap because they were worn). The 29 year-old buttons on my Asteroids cab are in better shape than some Happ buttons that I bought new less than 5 years ago. I have 20-year-old NOS Wico buttons that look and feel better than any new buttons I have bought.
Yeah, some operators swap in cheap parts when the convert cabs, but they definitely don't come out of the factory that way.
FWIW, I get your point (SS built some good stuff ... I bought stuff from them in the past), I just don't think that the comparison you make is valid.
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I think the standard for wood cabs has always been 3/4" playwood...um, plywood/particle board.
I'd love to send my panel back to SS to have a flush mount Trackball installed in place of my original, but now I know that'll never happen, especially since I don't have the tools needed to do it myself.
Shoegazer
You just send it to Mameroom or ArU, instead.
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Well, I beg to differ with you. My comparison was perfectly valid. Apparently SS made their cabs of thicker material, at least from some of the ones I've seen. The cabs I saw that day specifically were at least 1/2" thickness, and definitely thinner than my SS cab, especially around the control panel.
I personally love the Happ buttons, and they're some of the highest quality of those I've used. Sure they aren't as sturdy feeling as Asteroids buttons (Atari used different buttons in Asteroids than most other cabs of the day; Gyruss also comes to mind) but they're clearly above industry average. Also the buttons I saw on the cabs that day didn't look like they were swapped at all - their color matched perfectly fit the motif of the cabinet art.
Shoegazer
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I beg to differ. I have a SlikStik cab and love it, and it's definitely of higher quality than most arcade cabinets. I was at a movie theater a few weeks ago and they had a few standup fighters etc. It was amazing to me how much higher quality my SS cab is than those cabs.
Emphasis mine -- you appear to base your assessment of your SS cab being better than most arcade cabinets on a few standup fighters that you saw in a movie theatre.
*I* don't have any clue what those fighter cabinets were or what condition they were in. You say that they were made of 1/2" -- I can't argue. I can only point out that, except for the 9/16" Nintendo cabs, I have never once seen a wooden cabinet made of material less than 3/4" (doesn't mean they don't exist). Perhaps the ones you saw are homebrew cabs. :dunno
There are a number of different types of "Happ buttons" -- some convex, some concave, some with vertical switches, so horizontal, some are good, some no so much. I don't think any of them age well. Hey, *I* use Happ horizontal buttons.
At this point I am just being pedantic ... everybody I know of who has a SS cab is happy with it.
:cheers:
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I think we're picking too much nit here. My SS cab is definitely of higher quality than the cabs I saw, without a question. The wood was definitely thinner, especially around the lip of the control panel. I examined them for quite a while, and I remember checking to be sure they weren't some hack or homebrew job.
Anyway, I guess we can let this rest now. At least we're both in violent agreement that SS cabs are high quality. ;) I just wish I had the option of getting another one if I wanted it. Again I feel badly for those on this thread who never even got their FIRST one. That still amazes me. ???
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Yeah, I like the 'Simpsons' type cab with slant monitor. Man, I looked at Arcades R Fun and they have no products at all. What's with that?
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That's odd, and a pity if it's intentional. Jack does really good work.