Author Topic: Slik Stik - Any Word (Read 241208 times)

TPB · « **Reply #880 on:** January 20, 2008, 08:20:09 pm »

Quote from: Mameroom on January 20, 2008, 08:12:18 pm

Some disgruntled BYOAC members decided to purchase our DIY plans and offered to freely distribute them on BYOAC. A clear violation of the Cybertech Designs copyright.

Agreed,

Given your explanation of the circumstances (which I was unaware of),

No-one could stand by and watch their ideas and plans, which are your intellectual property, and a saleable product, be bandied around for free.

It is understandable that you needed to address the situation.

Mameroom · « **Reply #881 on:** January 20, 2008, 08:34:18 pm »

...yes (thank you), it was one of those things that seems to get picked apart and blown out of proportion all to quickly in here.

Kremmit · « **Reply #882 on:** January 21, 2008, 03:29:55 am »

Quote from: Mameroom on January 20, 2008, 08:12:18 pm

...I think what DOES matter, is how comfortable consumers are doing business with a DOT COM company. Because, whether they know it or not...anytime they order something online...they are in EXACTLY the same situation as what has transpired with SlikStik....you just don't hear about it all that often.

The term "Buyer Beware" has probably been heard by almost everyone in this forum...but never had to deal with it personally. That's why I feel it is important in running an online company, that customer support and service come first.

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The users "Mameroom", "VMJ Team", and "CyberPunk" are all related.

Yes, that is correct:

VMJ Team...when posting for Digital Innovations LLC
CyberPunk...when posting for Cybertech Designs LLC
Mameroom...when posting for Mameroom Designs LLC

...all alive and well.

I'm glad someone found that link...proves what I was trying to say earlier...people NEED something to complain about, even way back then.

Clarification on the "lawsuit" issue (since someone is truely "digging" now). Some disgruntled BYOAC members decided to purchase our DIY plans and offered to freely distribute them on BYOAC. A clear violation of the Cybertech Designs copyright. Saint handled the situation and it's all water under the bridge. Props to saint (as always).

So, are all of those usernames the same guy sitting behind the keyboard, then? All Scott?

lob · « **Reply #883 on:** January 21, 2008, 04:12:54 am »

Perhaps it's a "God thing"

Tiger-Heli · « **Reply #884 on:** January 21, 2008, 08:28:11 am »

Quote from: Mameroom on January 20, 2008, 08:34:18 pm

...yes (thank you), it was one of those things that seems to get picked apart and blown out of proportion all to quickly in here.

FWIW - as I remember there was a bit more of a wrinkle to it than that.

Something like the plans used to be free or used to have no copyright restrictions on them and then Scott (Cyberpunk) decided to sell them on his site, but the question was whether the original plans that were obtained for free and did not have the copyright on them could be freely distributed.

The answer came down to a legality that copyrights can be applied retroactively unlike trademarks and patents (I am not a lawyer), so since they were Scott's (Cyberpunk's) IP, he could specify how they could be distributed.

But as Scott said, IMHO, the BYOAC members interpretation at the time was incorrect, Saint handled the issue properly, and it is (and should remain) water under the bridge now.

Fozzy The Bear · « **Reply #885 on:** January 21, 2008, 04:38:18 pm »

Quote from: Tiger-Heli on January 21, 2008, 08:28:11 am

The answer came down to a legality that copyrights can be applied retroactively unlike trademarks and patents (I am not a lawyer), so since they were Scott's (Cyberpunk's) IP, he could specify how they could be distributed.

Actually in legal terms that's not the case at all. If you release something into the public domain, you can't then later (retrospectively) take it back as your own copyright property.

However...... The technicality may lie with the fact that although Scott distributed them freely, that does not necessarily make them public domain, and as the designer of them he does have the right to determine how they are distributed, unless he specifically released them to public domain.

This was the cause of the confusion between "Freeware", which is free to download but on which the owner reserves his rights (as in these plans) and "Public Domain" which is also free to download but on which the designer does not reserve rights and you can do as you wish with (which did not apply to these plans).

If something is public domain, then you can edit it or alter it or even re-sell it if you want to. If something is Freeware then mostly your rights are restricted to your own personal use and you may not re-distribute it (usually the restrictions applied by the original designer are legally valid).

Hope that clarifies the issue......

So Tiger-heli.... No, you can't retrospectively apply copyright... A designers copyright is automatic from the time he creates the design. If he then releases it to "Public Domain" he can't later claim any copyright over it. But if he releases it as "Freeware" He can reserve whatever rights within the law he sees fit to reserve.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

rovingmind · « **Reply #886 on:** January 21, 2008, 07:21:02 pm »

Great clarification Fozzy, and something to keep in mind for anybody posting designs.

NoOne=NBA= · « **Reply #887 on:** January 21, 2008, 07:47:21 pm »

Quote from: Mameroom on January 18, 2008, 09:39:51 am

Here, let's end this...it's noone's fault in the BYOAC forums...

I just wanted to go on record about this.

1) It was NOT my fault.
2) I wasn't even involved.
3) I don't appreciate getting blamed for it.

Havok · « **Reply #888 on:** January 21, 2008, 08:37:28 pm »

Haha - you've got to be careful laying blame...

On a separate note, does this thread really need to go on? I think we only need one more post in it... The new name of whatever business Christian is operating under...

Barry Barcrest · « **Reply #889 on:** January 22, 2008, 06:00:52 am »

The Cyberpunk username was changed to VMJ Team, Do a search on the VMJ Team posts and you see that username was Cyberpunk before. We all know what a jolly fellow he was, maybe there has been now reply because he is drinking away everyones money with Christian.

TPB · « **Reply #890 on:** January 22, 2008, 07:42:48 am »

Quote from: Freebox Team on January 22, 2008, 06:00:52 am

The Cyberpunk username was changed to VMJ Team

Correct.

Scott, does the extinction of the CyberPunk username mean that "Cybertech Designs LLC", is no longer trading ??

Mind you, Scott's not the only person who's been "juggling" usernames :

"Freebox Team", I believe you were previously known as "Barcrest".

Quote from: Freebox Team on January 22, 2008, 06:00:52 am

We all know what a jolly fellow he [CyberPunk] was ...

Hmmm ... I can't comment on that, I'm unaware of the history.

Mameroom · « **Reply #891 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:38:50 am »

Just as I thought it necessary to offer an explanation regarding the lawsuit issues...Here I am in a thread about SlikStik...now offering an explanation as to why Barcrest, uh freebox...is bringing up the past. Talk about off-topic...

Yes, my company also sells software...one title is Virtual Music Jukebox. Freebox (formerly know as barcrest), offered similiar software, but didn't charge for it. Anytime a user would post anything (good or bad) about our software...he was all over that post promoting his. That is his right, but doing your own search...it wouldn't be hard to figure out just how he provoked me into a mudslinging fight...

Actually, keep this in mind...I NEVER ONCE slammed anyone's product or software....EVER. Just see how many times this guy does just that.

...I've since learned to keep my thoughts and words (and typing fingers) under control....that doesn't mean I don't WANT to say certain things anymore...I just matured a little since then (I grew up).

...I also know that this particular post is going to relive everything and I'M SURE, we are going to see MANY quotes from posts over 3 years old....I've got nothing better to do today. So let's see where this goes.

meismr · « **Reply #892 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:19:30 pm »

Umm... I do care about mud, mameroom, some barcrest something and all that, but can we start a new thread for it? I'm keep going to this thread to see if Xtian's new company has been outed yet and I keep seeing stuff about a Jukebox mameroom software company that sued Saint and then praised him... Kinda off topic. So although I do want to find out about all that stuff, can we keep this thread about Xtian and SS and the new company?
Thanks

NoOne=NBA= · « **Reply #893 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:24:51 pm »

Every forum needs it own "super-longest-ever--what-was-the-topic-again?" thread though.

rovingmind · « **Reply #894 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:26:25 pm »

i thought that was the lightbulb thread here though.

saint · « **Reply #895 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:26:31 pm »

Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on January 22, 2008, 08:24:51 pm

Every forum needs it own "super-longest-ever--what-was-the-topic-again?" thread though.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=44853.0 (NSFW)

meismr · « **Reply #896 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:42:30 pm »

that is the
best. thread. ever.

NoOne=NBA= · « **Reply #897 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:44:18 pm »

Let me rephrase that.

Every forum needs it's own "super-longest-don't-have-to-worry-about-the-boss-or-the-wife-walking-in-while-I'm-trying-to-figure-out-what-the-topic-was-again" thread.

Patent Doc · « **Reply #898 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:53:17 pm »

Fozzy

That was a great explanation of public domain and freeware in the context of copyrights....I know you don't need my praise, but well done!!

Saint

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Posted by: saint Posted on: Today at 08:26:31 PM
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Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on Today at 08:24:51 PM
Every forum needs it own "super-longest-ever--what-was-the-topic-again?" thread though.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=44853.0 (NSFW)

that string makes me feel funny

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #899 on:** January 24, 2008, 01:57:31 pm »

...sticky!!!

lob · « **Reply #900 on:** January 25, 2008, 04:09:46 am »

Anyone remember Romper Room? Loved that show. Any relation to Mameroom???

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIRu8-5Nyek[/youtube]

Note: there exercises are excellent as a warm up for Robotron.

shardian · « **Reply #901 on:** January 25, 2008, 09:25:21 am »

Anyone heard anything from the AG that submitted?

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #902 on:** January 25, 2008, 10:10:47 am »

...dude...I was ON Romper Room! They even called my name in the magic mirror!

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #903 on:** January 25, 2008, 10:13:44 am »

Quote from: FrizzleFried on January 25, 2008, 10:10:47 am

...dude...I was ON Romper Room! They even called my name in the magic mirror!

And suddenly it is all so clear ...

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #904 on:** January 25, 2008, 10:15:46 am »

PS: SlikStik is still down and out!

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #905 on:** January 27, 2008, 12:30:42 pm »

...sure would be nice if this very important thread was stickied...then I'd not have to bump it every few days.

lob · « **Reply #906 on:** January 28, 2008, 02:50:17 pm »

Here, I'll help keep it alive also.

IKEA. Ikea would do a good job of making/selling arcade flat packs. All they'd need is a small display of 1 x jukebox, 1 x bartop, 1 x fullsize cab. My guess is they'd be *significantly* cheaper than other flat pack makers. Know any?

Of course I don't know anyone in Ikea management. And, even if I did, being Scandinavian...they'd probably just sit around and laugh in their demeaning Scandinavian accents "ew look this lob idiot thinks we can sell flat packs of arcade machines at a profit...this moron has no idea. hehe." Well f*&^ you Ikea. I fuc**ng hate your stupid store and your crap furniture anyways. Yeah fu*% off back to Europe and leave the rest of the world alone...

ChadTower · « **Reply #907 on:** January 28, 2008, 02:51:29 pm »

That's a really odd ninth post, bro.

Game-boi · « **Reply #908 on:** January 28, 2008, 03:13:13 pm »

I second that...

Ok...so back to the point...Any new news? I am still without product and my wallet is still feeling the pain.

ChadTower · « **Reply #909 on:** January 28, 2008, 03:23:20 pm »

Quote from: Game-boi on January 28, 2008, 03:13:13 pm

I second that...

Ok...so back to the point...Any new news? I am still without product and my wallet is still feeling the pain.

That was this dude's tenth post.

Game-boi · « **Reply #910 on:** January 28, 2008, 03:36:40 pm »

The irony is endless...

fixedpigs · « **Reply #911 on:** January 28, 2008, 03:39:28 pm »

Quote from: Game-boi on January 28, 2008, 03:36:40 pm

The irony is endless...

i'd like a free refill of irony please...ty...

RayB · « **Reply #912 on:** January 28, 2008, 04:37:28 pm »

Quote from: txtworld on January 18, 2008, 12:25:08 am

RayB,

I'm glad you now agree that profit margins apply to ALL businesses, which must be incorporated (along with overhead cost allocations) into the retail price.

Pofit margins only apply to WalMart ... LOL

That's not what I meant doofus. The margins DIFFER because Walmart has to cover the costs of running stores, distribution, marketing, advertising, employees, etc, etc while SlikStik only needs to cover himself and his home-based operation. So the margin required can be drastically different (ie: smaller for Slikstik)

lob · « **Reply #913 on:** January 28, 2008, 05:49:51 pm »

Don't worry, I reported that last idiot to the Moderator

lob · « **Reply #914 on:** January 28, 2008, 05:51:46 pm »

"You can't report your own post to the moderator, that doesn't make sense!"

Damn it.

saint · « **Reply #915 on:** January 28, 2008, 06:10:48 pm »

Lob is off his meds.

Singapura · « **Reply #916 on:** January 28, 2008, 06:57:05 pm »

Quote

Of course I don't know anyone in Ikea management. And, even if I did, being Scandinavian...they'd probably just sit around and laugh in their demeaning Scandinavian accents "ew look this lob idiot thinks we can sell flat packs of arcade machines at a profit...this moron has no idea. hehe." Well f*&^ you Ikea. I fuc**ng hate your stupid store and your crap furniture anyways. Yeah fu*% off back to Europe and leave the rest of the world alone...

Nice tantrum

. Seen too much Fightclub have you? Anyway if you think it's such a brilliant idea, why don't you do it yourself? The big boss at IKEA is the richest man in the world!

ChadTower · « **Reply #917 on:** January 28, 2008, 10:23:27 pm »

Quote from: RayB on January 28, 2008, 04:37:28 pm

That's not what I meant doofus. The margins DIFFER because Walmart has to cover the costs of running stores, distribution, marketing, advertising, employees, etc, etc while SlikStik only needs to cover himself and his home-based operation. So the margin required can be drastically different (ie: smaller for Slikstik)

You could also say because Walmart deals in such ridiculous volume, and SlikStik deals in double digits, Walmart's margins can be microscopic in comparison and they'll still make money.

TPB · « **Reply #918 on:** January 29, 2008, 06:38:46 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on January 28, 2008, 10:23:27 pm

You could also say because Walmart deals in such ridiculous volume, and SlikStik deals in double digits, Walmart's margins can be microscopic in comparison and they'll still make money.

Chadtower,

Thanks for demonstrating that this is a fairly straightforward line of reasoning.

But it's of no use ... I've already spelled that out to RayB, and he doesn't want to listen (or politely agree to disagree) ... he'd rather just ignore that reasoning, and hurl his personal attacks :

Quote from: txtworld on January 17, 2008, 07:30:20 pm

Niche businesses need to include a larger margin in their pricing. WalMart can afford to have a very slim margin indeed (on a "per unit sold" basis), because they can recoup their overhead costs (and make a profit) over millions of units of product sold.

Not that I know why RayB's still dragging it up ... that discussion took place almost two weeks ago ... yesterday's news.

About the only thing left of any interest in this thread, is FrizzleFried's question of whether it'll get a sticky.

bigh4th · « **Reply #919 on:** January 29, 2008, 12:41:16 pm »

Quote from: txtworld on January 29, 2008, 06:38:46 am

About the only thing left of any interest in this thread, is FrizzleFried's question of whether it'll get a sticky.

I dunno about that. I'd like to see updates from the people who got robbed saying that they either got their money back, got their product, or had a successful lawsuit.

-Harry


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