Slik Stik - Any Word

[AtomSmasher]

The message Zakk got didn't say anything about whos bank it was, it just said the bank account was still open.  It's extremely easy to make a bank account for a company, so there was no reason for that bank account to not be SlikStiks account.  I even have a bank account for my business and I'm the only one who works here, I just made the account so I can cash the checks written to my company.

[Fozzy The Bear]

The message Zakk got didn't say anything about whos bank it was, it just said the bank account was still open.  It's extremely easy to make a bank account for a company, so there was no reason for that bank account to not be SlikStiks account.  I even have a bank account for my business and I'm the only one who works here, I just made the account so I can cash the checks written to my company.

Yes.... But if your company is registered bankrupt as SlikStik has been then that account would be frozen and not actually open.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[TPB]

Although, the SlikStik website is still "alive", and continuing to take orders and cash, off whatever gullible suckers have the misfortune to come across it.

These funds are being funneled into someone's bank account, somewhere.

If they are still being funneled into an account in SlikStik's name, then obviously the account must still be active, and "someone" is still controlling the purse strings.  And based on all the available evidence, that "someone" appears to be Christian.

The site is also continuing to illegally claim SlikStik as a trademark.  As aforementioned in this thread, the SlikStik trademark was abandoned on May 10, 2007 :

Copyright © 2007 SlikStik TM LLC. All Rights Reserved. | All other likenesses, trademarks, product and company names
or logos appearing on the SlikStik TM site are the property of their respective owners. Site & Privacy Policy

[patrickl]

I missed this, but did SlikStik actually file for bankruptcy? If so then I would assume that by now someone was appointed to the case as a curator. People would have heard from this curator wouldn't they?

Maybe no one went through the trouble of getting SlikStik declared bankrupt yet.

[TPB]

I've asked if he knows the particular account it came out of.  If it comes out of stango's personal account, then yeah, not much controversy about where the money went, eh?  Hard to say the money went to slikstik if it dropped right in the account of mr Christiaan R Stango. 

Still, I can't imagine Christiaan allowing this loophole to be open very long, he'll want to keep all the booty he can.  If people can act, I suggest they do so now. 

For how much longer, will the SlikStik website be up and running, acting as a Honey Pot for the unwitting, continuing to take orders and cash ??

Does anyone have their Bank Manager's contact details ??

Send him a link to this thread.

He'd probably spill his coffee ...   

... followed up by action of the "freezing" nature ... and we're not talking about refrigeration here.

[Havok]

I missed this, but did SlikStik actually file for bankruptcy? If so then I would assume that by now someone was appointed to the case as a curator.

We call them trustees in the States...

[patrickl]

I missed this, but did SlikStik actually file for bankruptcy? If so then I would assume that by now someone was appointed to the case as a curator.

We call them trustees in the States...

Ah thanks.

[Zakk]

Fellow responded:

They did not say.  They just said that they charged back the account
that originally was used to make the transaction.

Sorry, no more info than that.  However, he's planning to order through arcadesrfun. (I've never even heard of them before today!).

Mike:  That's awesome. I hope everyone else can scrape and claw their money back into their pockets, where it belongs!!!   

[protokatie]

I am personally glad I ran across this thread, I almost made some orders a bit ago that would have had me "blue faced mad"

Maybe someone should make a thread like this, except in positive, for the companies out there who actually do their job: for instance

I ordered about 140 bucks worth of stuff off of Andi (ultimarc in cases where people dont know) on sunday. i got the order (across the "pond") yesterday (Tuesday), a full 2 hours before I even got my DHL tracking number. Yes! thats right! I got the shipment before the tracking number could be sent out! Other than a few minor issues (ie not getting the ultimarc CD with the order, and one of the happ buttons being a bit sticky), everything went better than I had hoped (maybe because a certain "company" out there had eroded my faith in this kind of community a bit).

Maybe this "company" should take some heed from Andi, just for the sake of doing bussiness, as well as not giving the DIY arcade people some pause about the whole concept....

Also, a related note, since I didnt get the CD with my order (which I presume has some docs on it) can anyone tell me where I am supposed to connect the ground "daisy chain" wire? Am I supposed to connect it to ground on the minipac, or to the ground on the cabinet? I Emailed Andi about this, but I would really like to get started and I know he is british.. erm I mean busy; so he may not be able to email me back as quick as I would like (IE I am twitching while looking at my minipac like some crack addict that doesnt have a lighter!!!  )

[TPB]

A fellow let me know today that he got money out of stango.

he's [now] planning to order through arcadesrfun.

I've heard good things about Jack at Arcades R Fun.  I'm sure your friend will end up with a nice panel that he's very happy with.   

I have a similar twist of good fortune.  As you all might recall, my purchase was on March 13, 2007, and my credit card was charged the next day.  The last contact I had with SS was on October 2, 2007.  After countless unreturned phone messages and unresponded to emails, I contacted my local bank which issued my credit card (INTRUST).  I instituted charge back procedures on November 11, 2007.  After I provided my bank with written documentation of the dispute, SS was given 45 days to respond to my claim and I was give a "provisional" credit.  Of course, SS failed to respond within the 45 day window.  I just received final word from my bank that my credit is now permanent and the matter is resolved.  Thank you Intrust Bank!!  I will be ordering a panel from Jack at www.arcadesrfun.com.

Onya Mike !!   

After having been screwed around for almost a year by SlikStik (thankfully, as of today, with a happy ending, now that you've got your money back), you'll also enjoy your new panel, from Jack at Arcades R Fun.

[patrickl]

Also, a related note, since I didnt get the CD with my order (which I presume has some docs on it) can anyone tell me where I am supposed to connect the ground "daisy chain" wire? Am I supposed to connect it to ground on the minipac, or to the ground on the cabinet? I Emailed Andi about this, but I would really like to get started and I know he is british.. erm I mean busy; so he may not be able to email me back as quick as I would like (IE I am twitching while looking at my minipac like some crack addict that doesnt have a lighter!!!  )

Did you read the online documentation? Ultimarc: Mini-PAC Wiring information

[protokatie]

Did you read the online documentation? Ultimarc: Mini-PAC Wiring information

Ok, thanx I got it figured out!

[Patent Doc]

txtworld

The site is also continuing to illegally claim SlikStik as a trademark.  As aforementioned in this thread, the SlikStik trademark was abandoned on May 10, 2007 :

Quote from: SlikStik
Copyright © 2007 SlikStik TM LLC. All Rights Reserved. | All other likenesses, trademarks, product and company names
or logos appearing on the SlikStik TM site are the property of their respective owners. Site & Privacy Policy

OK, I'm not entering this thread more than to say the following...the TM is not indicative of a registered mark.  The TM is the symbol for a common law mark that anyone can utilize merely by doing business.  The registration symbol is the R with a circle around it.  Note that SlikStik was using the TM and in doing so was not illegally indicating the presence of a registered trademark.  SlikStik has every right to do this and claim property right in the mark. 

Too much is being made of the abandoned registration.  These happen all the time and for many reasons including among other things merely not wanting to renew at the end of the five year life of the registration.  Here, oddly enough,  the application for registration was never granted because they filed under an intent to use statute and never submitted evidence of use. I say this is odd, because any sales receipt would have been sufficient...guess they were to "busy" to bother.  Anyway, the abandoned application came as a natural course that began in around Sept 2005 when this showing was first recqested and March 06 when the first abandonment occurred.

Patent Doc

[TPB]

OK Patent Doc,

Thanks for clearing that up.

SlikStik, you're pure of heart on this score.   

[Patent Doc]

Happy to be of assistance...Trademark law can be confusing.

Thank God I am not one of the unfortunate customers....man I'd be pissed off.

[Mameroom]

Mameroom/SlikStik update.

While things appear to be dying down a little within this thread....my intentions certainly are not to stir things up again.  However, in light of the most recent events.  I want to reafirm that I need to do what is in my business's best interest.  By the overwhelming response of this forum, Mameroom has ceased it's dealings with the former manufacturer of SlikStik products and removed their products from our website. 

..coincidentally, we (mameroom)...and I (Scott Glazer) are now among the casualty list as far as undeliverable product.  Today I sent out an email to customers awaiting orders (now unfulfilled) that we will issue a full refund or fulfill the orders ourselves at a 10% discount (for the inconvenience). 

While I have no intention of degrading anyone publicly for matters of business (as I know, stuff happens)...I want everyone in this forum to know that I have been fighting an uphill battle and lost.  While my intentions were good, the end result is all that matters.  I just wanted to find a way to get people the products they ordered.  I thought I did that and that's the reason for me being so determined with my defensive posts.

...thus, I have an obligation to make everything right with my customers and be held accountable for my actions and words in this forum.  Please accept this as a formal apoligy for me/mameroom defending a fellow vendor publicly.  It probably was the worst thing I could have done for my business and I accept full liability...but I am and WILL do whatever it takes to make things right where anyone involved will benefit from.  So we are starting with a 10% discount for current customers for a week or two additional wait time.  We are also offering refunds so the can reorder (to reset the "chargeback" timer"), so we can manufacture and assemble the control panels ourselves.

Again, while i fully understand (and have preached) the business aspect of this matter...I now have a new found appreciation for the consumer aspect.   Mameroom has been forced to "gear-up" to manufacture and sell complete control panel systems.  In doing so, I'm confident we can introduce a great product line at a lower cost than ever offered before. 

[Patent Doc]

Sorry to hear you are now a casualty Scott.  Despite the heat of this thread, I seriously doubt anyone here would have wished that upon you.

As an aside, I just tried to go to SlikStik's website...it's down.

[TPB]

Mameroom/SlikStik update ...

By the overwhelming response of this forum, Mameroom has ceased it's dealings with the former manufacturer of SlikStik products and removed their products from our website. 

Hooray !!  Three cheers for Mameroom !!   

Scott, your cabinet kits have always has a GREAT reputation in the past, for outstanding build quality at affordable prices ... know that you've made this decision, you'll continue to enjoy the community's full support ... just put it down to a "learning experience", eh ??

coincidentally, we (mameroom)...and I (Scott Glazer) are now among the casualty list as far as undeliverable product.  Today I sent out an email to customers awaiting orders (now unfulfilled) that we will issue a full refund or fulfill the orders ourselves at a 10% discount (for the inconvenience). 

Bummer ... Christian's dudded you too ... does that guy KNOW NO DEPTHS ?? ... but "good on you" Scott, for your commitment to making things right for your customers.

I want everyone in this forum to know that I have been fighting an uphill battle and lost.

An uphill battle ??  ... mate, that's an understatement ... trying to convince Christian to make good on those estimated 50K (in retail funds) of outstanding orders, was always going to be tougher than climbing Mount Everest.

Please accept this as a formal apoligy for me/mameroom defending a fellow vendor publicly.

Apology accepted ... BTW, there's nothing wrong "in principle" with defending a fellow vendor publicly, but it all depends who that vendor is, and what their track record has been.

I now have a new found appreciation for the consumer aspect.   Mameroom has been forced to "gear-up" to manufacture and sell complete control panel systems.  In doing so, I'm confident we can introduce a great product line at a lower cost than ever offered before. 

Great news !!

Healthy competition among reputable vendors producing quality proudcts, can only be a good thing.

Jack at Arcades R Fun has been experiencing an extra surge of orders as-of-late, but it looks like he's about to have a new competitor on the block !!

Best of luck to both of you, I'm sure there'll be "more than enough" business for all.

[TPB]

Mameroom/SlikStik update ...

By the overwhelming response of this forum, Mameroom has ceased it's dealings with the former manufacturer of SlikStik products and removed their products from our website. 

Scott,

Have you completed the website updates ??

If you have, then for the benefit of all, please explain why SlikStik products continue to be shown on these pages :

http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_UAII.asp

http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_showcase.asp

Note, I can understand them being shown on these cabinet pages for "compatibility purposes only", as no doubt customers who formerly purchased SlikStik panels (and were fortunate enough to receive them) would appreciate seeing how they'd integrate into your cabinets.


But what about this page, where you offer the SlikStik control panels for sale (but with the "SlikStik" name removed from them) ?? :   

http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_controllers.asp


These look and sound suspiciously like SlikStik designs, but with the "SlikStik" name removed :

The Classic, CO2, and Quad ... and complete with a Tornado spinner ??

It appears you've handed Christian some cash, to obtain the rights to his designs.

Now, if that's the case, I won't make any criticism ...

You're a businessman, and the SlikStik designs were generally regarded as good designs (the problem was the non-delivery of product - and prior to that, the atrocious customer service).

So, as a businessman, why not make the decision to "buy the rights" and manufacture them yourself ??

If this is the case, it's OK, but for everyone's benefit, please clarify ... given your recent business venture with Christian (and vigourous defence of him), we need it spelled out in black and white.

And please provide an unqualified, unambiguous assurance that Christian will have no ongoing involvement in your business.

Then everyone will be happy.   


EDIT :

This page (from above), actually "does" still refer to the panels you're selling, as being SlikStik branded products :

http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_controllers.asp

The SlikStik Quad unit is the only arcade control panel ...

... visually enhance your SlikStik panel with top of the line graphic design.

Scott, I really hope the explanation for this, is that your website updates have yet to be applied.   

Otherwise, we really do need an explanation.   

[Comp1demon]

This goes directly to Mameroom!!!

GOOD! IM glad you realized it was not worth it.

FOr those of us that can not BYOAC - I hope you can come up with a line of control pannels and configurations that will make slikstik look like a bad nightmare (no pun intended).

I can't wait to see what you come up with!

Any other user here still getting F***ed over by Xtian/SS?  IF so post what u ordered and where you are.  Again this thread is to make sure all BYOAC members who are PENDING with SS/Xtian get a refund or their product.

[TPB]

I just tried to go to SlikStik's website...it's down.

The Honey Pot has finally run dry.

[shardian]

Mameroom,

Your slate is wiped clean in my book. Good luck in selling complete panels.

[patrickl]

..coincidentally, we (mameroom)...and I (Scott Glazer) are now among the casualty list as far as undeliverable product.

I think it goes with a little dance *swings arms around and sings "we told you so so,  we told you so so*

[patrickl]

I just tried to go to SlikStik's website...it's down.

The Honey Pot has finally run dry.

Or SlikStikstian didn't pay the hosting bill either and got disconnected.

Though the domain registration was renewed on 2007-09-13, but then that might have been done by the ISP.

[Mameroom]

Have you completed the website updates ??

If you have, then for the benefit of all, please explain why SlikStik products continue to be shown on these pages :

http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_UAII.asp

http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_showcase.asp

Sorry, I haven't completely gone through our website...all links/references will be taken down shortly.  I think I will leave the pictures up for "compatibility" for customers who currently own one of these panels...but the links to purchase will be removed.

[missioncontrol]

Scott,

I hope that you, to protect others from falling into xtians next money trap, are willing to give more details of this "new business at which xtian will succeed". I'd hate to see this all happen again just because xtian tries to take advantage of people under a different name.

[Mameroom]

Unfortunately, I do not have too many details other than what I have already mentioned.  Contrary to what people have thought, our (Mameroom/scott) relationship with Chris was primarily a business one...and not so much on a personal level.

[TPB]

Sorry, I haven't completely gone through our website...all links/references will be taken down shortly.  I think I will leave the pictures up for "compatibility" for customers who currently own one of these panels...but the links to purchase will be removed.

Onya Scott.    

There's no issue with maintaining "historical reference information" on your website, that shows the "compatibility" of your cabinets with existing SlikStik panels, manufactured in days long gone.

As long as you're no longer selling, promoting, manufacturing, or affiliated with SlikStik products, nor with any other products that Christian may try to flog under a new business name (he'll probably come up with one soon).

Everyone would LOVE to see you manufacture your OWN, FULLY INDEPENDANT line of panels, to complement your truly impressive cabinets.

We'll patiently wait for your designs to come to fruition.    

[TPB]

Missioncontrol,

How about giving Scott a break, and removing that "Birds of a Feather" banner from the bottom of your posts ??

Scott ... we're taking you at your word here, so please follow through with what you've announced.

[Mameroom]

I'm toying around with the idea of building onto our Control Panel Designing software.  The software (for those who are not familiar with it) allows you to design your own control panel (size, layout, controls, colors, etc...).  You can then have the software generate a detailed set of drawings to cut and build the acutal panel...or you can (at a click of a button), purchase a ready-to-assemble kit based on your design.  Why not expand that to a complete control panel?

Here's the old link (need to migrate it to the new site)
http://www.mameroom.com/CPKD_info.asp

...and believe me, a lesson has been learned.

[TPB]

Or SlikStikstian didn't pay the hosting bill either and got disconnected.

Not on your life.

He's sitting on an estimated $50K of funds (in retail terms), of money received from orders that will never be fulfilled.

And he had new orders coming in "by the day", from unwitting newcomers who came across his site.

Do you think he'd pull the plug on that "river of gold", over a lousy $8 hosting bill ??

Don't think so.

Most probably his bank froze the SlikStik merchant account ... no merchant account, means no mechanism to charge people's credit cards, means no way to keep the money coming in.    

No more money coming in, means the website is no longer of any use ...

So in the end, he probably "pulled the plug" on the website himself.

[missioncontrol]

Missioncontrol,

How about giving Scott a break, and removing that "Birds of a Feather" banner from the bottom of your posts ??

Scott ... we're taking you at your word here, so please follow through with what you've announced.

why don't I just wait and see if he follows through first, I mean after all according to him, I'm an idiot..

...I apoligize to the rest of the forum, but this guy's and idiot (sorry saint, but the truth shall ring free, and LOUD).

[Mameroom]

Ya, I apolgize for that...I am human too and sometimes let my emotions get the best of me...but I don't expect to be exhonerated...I take full responsibility for my words and actions.

I look forward to showing this community what Mameroom is all about and what we can offer it.

[TPB]

why don't I just wait and see if he follows through first, I mean after all according to him, I'm an idiot..

Fair enough.

Scott,

I guess the onus is now on you, to follow through on the commitments you've made.

We'll all be keeping a close eye on your website, and watching for imminent updates to it.    

[Mameroom]

Once we are fully setup to manufacture complete panels (a couple of weeks...we were kinda thrown into this area of manufacturing abruptly), we will be offering a discount for all SS customers who never received their merchandise...if they choose to place an order with us....because that's all I wanted to do in the first place, was to get these people their control panels.

[Zakk]

I look forward to showing this community what Mameroom is all about

I think you already did that.

[Barry Barcrest]

Why are people assuming the company filed for bankruptcy or is no more....

http://www.gobignetwork.com/classified/active/industry-leader-seeks-angel/66688/index.aspx

That is still up and so the business by definition must be a going concern. Chances are the site has been pulled in an attempt to let the heat die down.

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=slikstik.com

That is the whois information... It was updated yesterday. It has some strange locked information listed but that might be normal and i just havn't seen it before. Looks like the domain name is just not pointing to an IP address right now.

[quarterback]

Or SlikStikstian didn't pay the hosting bill either and got disconnected.

Christian basically hosts that himself.  Or, rather, his buisness partner does.  It was hosted via Instantlink which is one of the other businesses run out of the SlikStik hideout offices.

..coincidentally, we (mameroom)...and I (Scott Glazer) are now among the casualty list as far as undeliverable product.

Hey scott.  Would it be possible to clarify this.  Does this mean, as people are assuming, that Christian didn't come through with orders placed through your website for SlikStik panels?    Also, for curiosity sake, did he just stop answering your phone calls as well, or did he tell you he wasn't going to do these panels anymore or are we all misreading this?

Thanks
qb

[dirt]

MAMEROOM/SCOTT: i will wait for you to get caught up with orders and get your "design your own panel" up and, like i promissed, i will be ordering a panel for a machine i am just about to start. im glad you changed your mind about christian and i hope he didn't screw you out of any cash.

VICTOMS OF SLIKSTIK: anyone that did not get there cash back or a panel from slikstik please pm me. i have an empty slikstik 4player panel that i will sell very, very cheap. this offer is only for those who got the shaft from slikstik. i only have one of them. first come first serve.

[CheffoJeffo]

VICTOMS OF SLIKSTIK: anyone that did not get there cash back or a panel from slikstik please pm me. i have an empty slikstik 4player panel that i will sell very, very cheap. this offer is only for those who got the shaft from slikstik. i only have one of them. first come first serve.