Slik Stik - Any Word

[ahofle]

Am I the only one that can't believe people pay $1500 for a CONTROL PANEL! 

[Tiger-Heli]

Am I the only one that can't believe people pay $1500 for a CONTROL PANEL! 

No, you're not ...

[JonathanEngr]

Actually, I think the price I paid for my quad control panel (which is roughly $1000 of the price and included the illuminated trackball, illuminated joysticks, lightning overlay, flight stick, spinner, etc.) was reasonable.  The parts alone would be $500, then you have the labor and time of assembling it, etc.   If anything, the price of the cab was a bit high since it's simply laminated wood with cam locks. However, it's one of the sturdiest pieces of cam-locking furniture I've ever seen. 

I guess it's the same with many things.  Why pay $5.00 for a box of fruit loops when you can buy "loopy loops" (or any generic brand) for $1.25?  Why would anyone pay $500,000 for any exotic car when you can buy a corvette Z06 that's likely faster for $70,000?  Why pay for a hooker... oh, nevermind. 

Seriously, though, for some of us it's a trade-off that makes sense.  I just don't have the free time that I used to have to tinker around, so that additional $500 is worth it to me to spend those hours playing my games instead of making and troubleshooting my own panel.

[meismr]

Ah I see it now.  I didn't think it would be that far back...  November!  Man this has been going on a long time.  Truthfully even if I saw it, I'm not sure I would get it.  Ricers...  Back when I used to ride, ricers were the sport bikes...  I wouldn't let that pic get to you...  People used to make fun of Japanese bikes because they weren't tough looking.  Didn't matter that the bike was half the price and could dance circles around their own chrome laden ones. 

November though...  Krikey that's a long time...  I really hope you get your panel...  cause that's too long of a delay for me.  If you eventually get your panel, would you tell a friend to get one from Christian (either with SS or his new company)? 

[saint]

OK - didn't go all the way back but tried to clean up the last few days.

This thread is being kept open so people can discuss the situation -- please keep it calm. My poor little fingers are sore from all the typing. I'd appreciate it if people killed the profanity (even the altered/misspelled profanity) and name calling.

Thanks!

--- saint

[Icer]

You can scroll back and see I was one of the people that ordered from SS.  I got my money back and then ordered from Scott at Mameroom.

I got my CP from him, it came when he said it would, a little earlier actually... and yes it came from NJ.

It works and looks great, yes I could have or should have built my own, but I really didn't feel I wanted to go that route.

I guess my point is that Scott has always answered my questions and phone calls, even at night, and has always delivered on what he has said.  I feel that his dealings with Chistian are in trying to make the best of a bad situation at SS and move forward.

[Turnarcades]

I'm just wondering if this thread should be killed. It's a little tired now.

Hey I feel for you if you lost money, but maybe the facts could just be perma-stickied in a 'warning' thread and left at that - something that could be used in case of a future scam by other companies.

[ahofle]

I think it makes perfect sense to leave it open as there are several people monitoring this thread to see if the outstanding panels are finally delivered as Christian promised.

[Mameroom]

PPS: hey Scott you never added my cabinet to you rgallery - I submitted months ago!

Must have somehow missed that...very awesome cab!  I updated our gallery.

[M37R01D]

Just an Update

I recieved tracking today and UPS shows its in route and scheduled to arrive Thursday.

I'll keep you guys updated

[JonathanEngr]

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.  I was promised that my panel would ship by Friday, so I'll post any news on my end, as well.

[Zakk]

Just an Update

I recieved tracking today and UPS shows its in route and scheduled to arrive Thursday.

I'll keep you guys updated

Take this for what it's worth: I hope it's everything you've been waiting for. 

[Damoclese]

I, too, have recieved tracking info and the panel is expected to arrive on Wednesday.  I will post more after it arrives. 

[Kaytrim]

I have stayed quiet too long on this issue.  Mostly because of all the bad blood flying around.  However looking over the last few days I couldn't stay quiet any longer. 

First of all Saint shouldn't have had to clean up your messes.  This is a family friendly site and you should keep that in mind when posting here.   Second I feel for those of you who have lost money or know someone who has I feel your pain.  I have been sold a bill of goods and got taken for a ride myself.   If you feel that you need to try and prevent someone else from suffering the same fate as yourself then please do so in a clean and kindly manner.  Thirdly those of you who are waiting for shipments to arrive I hope that you receive what you were promised.  I see that one panel has been delivered.  I am not in a position to make any comment on whether Christian is just doing damage control with being faced with legal action or is making an honest attempt to right a sinking ship.  :end soapbox:

Keep it clean folks,
Kaytrim

[M37R01D]

Take this for what it's worth: I hope it's everything you've been waiting for. 

Thanks, I appreciate it. I just can't wait to throw it in the cabinet

[Hoopz]

Thanks, I appreciate it. I just can't wait to throw it in the cabinet

You mean carefully attach it to the cabinet.  After the money spent and time waiting, treat that CP better than your girlfriend.   

[Sir Auros]

First of all Saint shouldn't have had to clean up your messes.  This is a family friendly site and you should keep that in mind when posting here.

I'd like to see what he had to clean up, it must've gotten dirty after my deleted post. Can only mods go to the Post Hell forum, or what?

Also, I'll say again (and agree with samshaw) that this thread has pretty much run its course.

[JonathanEngr]

I tend to think this post is *running* its course.  It all began with someone wondering if anyone had heard from SS, and it's led to several people being in the same boat all congregating into one place.  We've all been through a bunch of hoo-ha to get to this point, and I think we should at least wait and see if there's any closure. 

[TPB]

this thread has pretty much run its course.

Not on your life.

This thread is still live as ever.

This thread will continue RUNNING its course, until, and ONLY until, one of these 3 outcomes eventuates :

** SlikStik provide full refunds to everyone off whom they've taken money.

** SlikStik clear out their year-long backlog of orders, by completing and shipping all products for which payment has already been taken.

... let's hope one of the above "preferred" outcomes will eventuate.  However, if this FAILS to happen, then the last resort must be :
=======================================================================================================

** The SlikStik founders (Christian, etc.), being the individuals hiding behind the farcical LLC "no liability" business structure, are metered appropriate penalties by the legal and justice system.  Whether those penalties be criminal or civil, is up to the those conducting the investigation (Attorneys General).

[FrizzleFried]

I am also confused by Kaytrims outrage?  Unless calling someone a SUCKER has somehow become vulgar,  I think Kay has been smoking something...

...and I want some!

Good luck M37R01D...I really do hope you get your CP...and I certainly hope you won't recommend SS to anyone in the future.

[Onyx_PghPA]

The only people who have complained the past week are people who are not waiting on an order.

There was no need to complain.  I'll have my day in court.


Onyx

[Kaytrim]

I am also confused by Kaytrims outrage?  Unless calling someone a SUCKER has somehow become vulgar,  I think Kay has been smoking something...

...and I want some!

I don't smoke FrizzleFried, I just explode.   It irks me to no end when Saint has to go clean up some troll poop.   I understand that some of the discussion has been quite heated but that is no reason to take a dump on this or any other web forum. 

TTFN
Kaytrim

[Fozzy The Bear]

Magic, I sent you an email about the overlay corner.  That is NOT "typical" as Fozzy wrote above.   

Scott
www.mamemarquees.com

Scott.... I didn't say it was typical of your overlays. It is however very typical of poor fitting by Christian or whoever he has fitting them. I actually said "classic badly fitted peeling overlay that other people have reported"

There have been numerous reports on here of peeling overlays on their products. I have no doubt it's NOT due to the superb quality of your products.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[Fozzy The Bear]

CheffoJeffo, I completely understand everyone's delema here...and in no way think that everyone should agree with what I have said or recommended.

Good!!! Glad to hear it....

Christian, has behaved appallingly on these forums insulting competitors and customers alike, whenever somebody says something he doesn't like. So don't expect him to get given a break now. As Cheffo said, He's only reaping what he's sown here.

As for him trying to make good.... I'll believe it when I actually see it. Right now I don't believe it. Simply because he's told so many lies to customers about the late and failed shipment of their products and the reasons for it, that it just doesn't add up. 

So Christian is nothing to do with them any more??? Something isn't adding up here!!!! If he has nothing to do with them any more what the hell is he doing shipping panels from his own pocket (outside of the protection of the LLC) which could lay him open to further liability.  And why, if he has nothing to do with the company are they coming out of the company address.... Unless of course he's aware of his huge existing liability and potential incarceration for the alleged frauds.

On top of which when somebody orders a panel from YOU the item gets shipped from the SICKSLICK address...... ?? I think it's time we started questioning YOUR motives.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[Mameroom]

I'll lay it out straight so everyone knows the how and why.

Mameroom originally planned to step in and take over SlikStik.  Due to the financial situation of SlikStik and lawsuit threats from people in this forum...that was a no go.

In learning that SlikStik LLC was the business entity having difficulties and not the manufacturer Christian, we worked it out that Mameroom Designs would purchase directly from the manufacturer instead of SlikStik.  I know everyone in here associates Christian with SlikStik, but from a business standpoint, they are two seperate entities (again going back to the LLC part).  Instead of Christian supplying components to SlikStik for assembly/sale...he is providing distributors these components.

So Mameroom is simply a distributor.  It wouldn't take much to do a google search and see that we are not the only distributor of Christian's products, they just don't advertise where they come from.  And just because their products are not the typical C02, Classic, or quad units, does not mean that they built the panels themselves...they are in fact built and manufactured by Christian, and always have.

As for why someone should order from Mameroom even if they come from Christian...In the event that the panels we offer are not available from the original manufacturer, Mameroom will manufacture them ourselves, thus the ability to "guarantee" to get a panel out.  If not from him, from us. 

...as far as my personal Motives, I think I've made them quite clear (at least mentioning them 3+ times should do it) but I will state them again.  Regardless of what this forum says or thinks about Christian personally (rightfully so), he will continue to be a manufacturer, and companies like Mameroom (and the several others) will continue to distribute and manufacture his products,  Even HappControls is a distributor of his products.  So my point from the very start was....if Christian offered to make good on getting customer's products out, why would anyone want to sabotage that?

As for my posting in here...Yes, I know that Christian was on the fence about reaching into his own pocket to get peoples panels out and try to save a little face...Yes, I know that comments from people in this forum (who are not even customers) can and will prevent this from happening.

I felt compelled to let people know this information in efforts to get people their products.  This may sound a little harse now...but after the amount of resistance my presence here has created...it's no longer worth the argument...so here it is:  Mameroom Designs (Scott Glazer) does not benefit one single bit if people get their panels.

In fact, we would benefit if people DID NOT get their panels as they would be inclined to order one through us...that is NOT was we are about.   While I DO care whether or not people get their panels...I do NOT care to continue this crusade, as I already know the outcome.

Take my suggestions for what they are worth.

[Mameroom]

Christian, has behaved appallingly

...this may be true, but he's not the only one.  Stooping to anyone's level just out of spite doesn't really seem professional or mature.  Some of the comments in here have some solid truths behind them and some are just plain ignorant.

While I do not agree with anyone (Christian included) for treating customer badly (unless they truly are inconsoleable...as the customer is NOT always right)...as I put customer's concerns at the top of the list...I would like to comment on how Chris "strung" people along.

...in a business, as an employee or owner of a company, you cannot divulge to customers that the company may be in financial trouble as it would be certain death for the company and there would be no hope of turning it around.  Before people think that I am condoning what has happened...all I mean by this is...if Chris told these customers that, "Hey, there is a chance that you may not get your panel...get your money back!"  All of the funds would be sucked dry and the company would surely go bankrupt, without so much as a fighting chance to turn things around.  I know it sucks, but it is the way business is conducted.  Fortunately, Mameroom has never been in this situation...but that's how I see things from a business perspective.

As for Chris's personal behavior...well, I disagree with that and have told him so...but everyone has their boiling point.

[CheffoJeffo]

* CheffoJeffo is glad people appear to be getting their stuff

* CheffoJeffo reaches for the popcorn and is going to sit this round out

[Fozzy The Bear]

In fact, we would benefit if people DID NOT get their panels as they would be inclined to order one through us...that is NOT was we are about.

You've spent a hell of a lot of time telling people to STFU  in here. We're so sorry to hear that it's upsetting Christian (NOT).....  

However as has been pointed out, this has NOTHING to do with whether people get the goods they ordered or not. He either  makes good or he doesn't..... I know which one of those two my money is on after seeing his behaviour over the last four years.  

Christian / SickSlick are separate! Do me a favour! They may legally be separate entities, but that does not mean that he avoids the liability for anything allegedly done illegally under the name of the company, LLC or not! If he did something illegally he's still personally liable for it. Which is exactly why he's panicing now and sending some of the high profile stuff out.

As for you! I've only heard good things about you and your business. I'm just astounded that you'd even think about risking your reputation and your company reputation in the way you have. If you had one ounce of common sense, then you'd be running in the other direction as fast as you could. Not backing up an alleged internet fraudster in a public forum.

To be blunt. It still doesn't add up...... You're either entirely gullible and being taken in by Stango's ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---, or you have something to seriously gain in business terms, if it's neither of those, then you really must be completely barking mad.  

The only other alternative I can see is that we're actually reading Stango's typed words, voiced through your account identity  . but that looks very likely right now.

Whichever it is Good Luck!! Because you're doing your company reputation no favours here.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[leapinlew]

As for you! I've only heard good things about you and your business. I'm just astounded that you'd even think about risking your reputation and your company reputation in the way you have. If you had one ounce of common sense, then you'd be running in the other direction as fast as you could. Not backing up an alleged internet fraudster in a public forum.

To be blunt. It still doesn't add up......

I totally agree - good points Foz.

Lets get something straight Mr. Mameroom... Christian doesn't "stoop" to anyones level, if anything - we stoop to his level.

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

How does Stango providing product for Happ work? Happ orders a dozen panels, Stango takes the money, Happ asks where their products are, Stango blames Happ for not delivering any trackballs, Happ goes, "Frigging Happ!" and explodes in a ouroboros of non-logic.

Also, can I get the specific name of the person I am preventing from getting their panel? It would be like when Sally Struthers would give you a dossier on which starving kid in Africa your donations were helping. He could even send out updates - where the Christian Children's Fund would have the underprivileged, poor kid write you about his or her progress in math and the successfully delivery of the food packs, the underprivileged, poor control panel could write me about how all its strangely absent components means it has to do discrete math, and the unsuccessful delivery of any I-PACs.

Once a year there could be like a guest bulletin from the Star Wars yokes, too.

[Sir Auros]

As for you! I've only heard good things about you and your business. I'm just astounded that you'd even think about risking your reputation and your company reputation in the way you have. If you had one ounce of common sense, then you'd be running in the other direction as fast as you could. Not backing up an alleged internet fraudster in a public forum.

To be blunt. It still doesn't add up......

I totally agree - good points Foz.

Lets get something straight Mr. Mameroom... Christian doesn't "stoop" to anyones level, if anything - we stoop to his level.

Thirded. He keeps coming back to this thread and keeps digging himself into a bigger hole.

Your panels come from SlikStik, you say? Why, I'll order a dozen, because I've always supported their work! 

I hate to see it too, because his prices are actually reasonable enough that I'd consider doing business with him.

[FrizzleFried]

From my perspective Christian and/or SS has done so much harm to their own reputations there is no coming back.  It's "out of the box" so to speak.  Good luck getting it back in.

For your own sake Scott...leave it be.  If you aren't making a dime off this arrangement with Christian then do yourself a favor and let it go.  Every time you post in here defending Christian or SS it makes you look bad.  Real bad.  Whereas some may understand what you are trying to do,  many others will simply associate you with Christian and SS and their tarnished reputation will do nothing but bring you down too.

I am sure everyone who's been screwed by SS appreciates your efforts,  but you need to take a step back and ask yourself..."is it worth it"?

From my perspective...it can't be.

[Mameroom]

You've spent a hell of a lot of time telling people to STFU  in here

I'm sorry...who the "hell" are you?  And did I every say "STFU"?  Nope...people like you have portrayed me as doing so

I know which one of those two my money is on

I'm sorry...looking through the old SS records when trying to acquire the company...I don't see you having ANY money vested...in anything!

Christian / SickSlick are separate! Do me a favour! They may legally be separate entities

Yes, you are right about something

but that does not mean that he avoids the liability for anything allegedly done illegally under the name of the company, LLC or not!

Yes, you are again right about something

If he did something illegally he's still personally liable for it.

..if....if...that truly is all you are hoping for.  Chris is untouched by all of this UNLESS proven to have done something illegal...which goes back to my original intention of letting people know that they have a chance.

Which is exactly why he's panicing now and sending some of the high profile stuff out.

Can't speak for him or why he's reaching into his own pocket to do this.

As for you! I've only heard good things about you and your business.

Thank you

I'm just astounded that you'd even think about risking your reputation and your company reputation in the way you have. If you had one ounce of common sense, then you'd be running in the other direction as fast as you could. Not backing up an alleged internet fraudster in a public forum.

Much like you have come running to the aid of the innocent although you yourself have never purchased anything.  I've done my research and you have more than  once initiated a flame war in here...as far as I'm concerned, that says something about your credibility.

To be blunt. It still doesn't add up...... You're either entirely gullible and being taken in by Stango's ---smurf-poop---, or you have something to seriously gain in business terms

Yes, it's called profit.  Mameroom is a business...as far as me speaking up in here about the ---smurf poop---, enough is enough...people have a chance to get their panels and people like you are ruining it and WILL ruin it for them.  I think you are selfish and have YOUR own motives.

The only other alternative I can see is that we're actually reading Stango's typed words, voiced through your account identity  . but that looks very likely right now.

No, Chris would probably love to meet you face to face...these are my words.  I voiced my opinion in efforts to get people what they deserve...but this forum has it's own agenda...at least some of the people in here...twisted my words around to THEIR benefit...and in MY mind...have little to NO credibility on the entire subject....Let's let the people that actually have something to LOSE speak.

Whichever it is Good Luck!! Because you're doing your company reputation no favours here.

So I've noticed...I won't walk on eggshells for you or anyone else!  If you do not want to order anything from me or my company because I am a passionate and vocal vendor...I understand.  If you do purchase from us, you won't be dis sappointed...as satisfaction is guaranteed...or your money back! 

Lets get something straight Mr. Mameroom... Christian doesn't "stoop" to anyones level, if anything - we stoop to his level.

And then some!

Mr. Fozzy.  Let's cut to the quick.  Yes, I have risked ruining a good thing I have going on this forum.  I have received countless PM's from people of this forum telling me to stop posting in my best interest because people in here are "idiots"...not my words...but words from THIS FORUM'S own members.  Regarding contribution to this community....we have sold over 660 cabinet kits to date in the past 3 years...many of them purchased by members of this community.  Out of the 660+ products delivered, we have not ONE single warranty claim..we ship replacement panels to customers the instant we hear of any shipping damage..we've even shipped replacement panels at our own cost on the customers own mistakes or damage...because we recognize them as people investing money...and *stuff* happens....My intentions are good, I have no altererior motives...but people like you twist my words around to your benefit.  I'm not getting Christian's "back", but i can now understand why he may have exploded in here before...because you have got me to that point...throw caution to the wind and FLAME ON!  I guess people like you can bring out the best in others...hobbyist or vendor...everyone is human and has emotions... your personal nonsense is enough to drive even the calmest person mad!

Every time you post in here defending Christian or SS it makes you look bad.  Real bad.  Whereas some may understand what you are trying to do,  many others will simply associate you with Christian and SS and their tarnished reputation will do nothing but bring you down too.

Thank you...seriously thank you for your concern...but I'm not so much defending Christian, as trying to calm things down temporarily to get people their panels...people of this forum (some people) are making it hard for me to be silent as they are being (in my mind) selfish idiots (sorry saint)...my justification for saying something like this is that people like fozzy, who don't have ANY vested interest...keep talking smack...KNOWING FULL WELL IT WILL RESULT IN PEOPLE NOT GETTING THEIR PANELS...just so he can keep the FLAME ON going...it's BS!  I know it's BS...You know it's BS.

So here I am...now stuck in the middle trying to help others...turning my back now would mean I'm more interested in self preservation and profit opposed to standing behind my original intent of helping others...so if there's to be a flame war...I will stand on my own two feet and see where I land.  I'm not "hiding" behind anything like MANY here are hiding behind the anonymity of "THE FORUM". 

Scott Glazer
Mameroom Designs LLC
www.mameroom.com
440-725-0315 (Customer Support)

[meismr]

Mameroom,
    People here have a vested interest in this even if they haven't purchased anything from Slick Stick.  Companies like SS tarnish this hobby.  They make people feel frustrated and foolish.  Saying things like "people have a chance to get their panels and people like you are ruining it and WILL ruin it for them." lays the blame on the wrong party.  The blame lies on those who took money without giving a product in return.  I agree with Fozzy in this.  Someone who lies, belittles, and cons should be called out... loudly.  I'm not trying to 'flame' you, but I disagree with your logic.

[Sir Auros]

Re:mameroom

Dude, again, stop. Just stop.

Citing vast PM conspiracies against the people posting in this thread isn't going to help your case any more and you're only hurting yourself at this point. Just accept that your mediation isn't going to work and walk away.

The more you defend Christian, the deeper you dig yourself and the more you piss off people here...except for the countless numbers of people who are PMing you, of course.

Like it or not, many people just aren't going to buy into your, "What Christian did was technically legal, so it's A-OK," bs.

Third time, mods, hasn't this thing run its course? Can we not just lock it, sticky it, and let the people who get their panels start a new thread?

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

No, Chris would probably love to meet you face to face...

Guys, if Christian knocks me into next week, I promise to bring back the one control panel he'll have finished by then for those of you still waiting.

[FrizzleFried]

Scott, 

I think we can safely say that any additional input you may have is going to be anti-productive to your cause.  You want this to quiet down,  certainly getting in to a flame war with some of the folks here isn't going to accomplish your goals,  but,  in fact,  will only serve to keep this topic on the front page.

I am sorry,  but I tend to fall toward the "Fozzy" point of view on this mess.  I do appreciate your efforts to get folks their control panels,  but the answer is not for everyone to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that "Chris" or SS have integrity.

As one of those who have no vested interest in this situation other than the satisfaction of preventing as many people from being scammed for their dough as possible,  I am ever-so-slightly insulted by your "if you don't have a vested interest,  butt out" point of view.  Every person who we prevent from being scammed by SS or "Chris" by keeping this information on the "front page",  even by us folks without a vested interest,  speaks volumes as to the service we are providing keeping this information out there.

I'd like nothing more than to see every last SS customer get their control panels,  but the fact of the matter is that if we can prevent one NEW person from wasting their hard earned dollars by presenting this information,  then it's worth it...even at the expense of those who've already been screwed (which sucks I know, but it is what it is).

It's not like "Chris" was a helluva guy before this mess.  He and his company have a reputation here... and THEY were the ones to build that reputation.

You've said your peace...if you TRULY are interested in folks getting their panels,  I'd reconsider continuing in this thread because every time you do,  you're only inviting folks to reply,  which,  in turn,  causes more conversation,  which,  in turn,  causes more publicity,  which,  in turn,  may cause "Chris" to flip his lid and stop sending out panels (from his own pocket).

Finally,  it was low-brow to even suggest people are PMing you calling folks in this thread "idiots".   What purpose did it serve?  I know it sorta pissed me off,  even though,  frankly,  I'm of the opinion that it's BS (an attempt to strengthen your argument perhaps?).  If you are going to stoop so low as to call people in this thread whom you don't agree with "idiots",  at least have the decency to do it directly and not via the suggestion that many people have PMed you stating that...

NOTICE:  If you are one of the folks who PMed Scott calling anyone here an "idiot",  please PM me stating so...I will happily keep your name anonymous and will retract the entire paragraph above with a public apology to Scott...

PS:  Yes,  I know I am an idiot...no need to pile on if you didn't PM Scott stating the fact!

[vertygo]

Seems like past, present, and possibly future customers are asking you (possibly not in the words you want hear, not sure) to take a step back from a pretty volatile situation. Rather than becoming the outlet to alot of frustration, appreciate that people respect you enough to try and protect and/or save your reputation. Whatever your personal beliefs, they have to be shelved for the good of your company. Unfortunately, no one will seperate you from it, price of success I guess ?

/2 cents.

[pod]

Seems like past, present, and possibly future customers are asking you (possibly not in the words you want hear, not sure) to take a step back from a pretty volatile situation. Rather than becoming the outlet to alot of frustration, appreciate that people respect you enough to try and protect and/or save your reputation. Whatever your personal beliefs, they have to be shelved for the good of your company. Unfortunately, no one will seperate you from it, price of success I guess ?

/2 cents.

Agreed. Everyone in this community, active, lurker, guest who just heard about MAME and wants one, and their acquaintances, co-workers, friends, family, etc is a potential customer and of like mind. My belief anyway is that a business should always treat it's customers, past present and future, with utmost respect. I'm not feeling a lot of respect in that post above.

[TPB]

As for why someone should order from Mameroom even if they come from Christian...In the event that the panels we offer are not available from the original manufacturer, Mameroom will manufacture them ourselves, thus the ability to "guarantee" to get a panel out.  If not from him, from us. 

Hmmm ... let me see about what legal weight that guarantee carries ...

SlikStik LLC.

Mameroom Designs LLC.

Do we have a pattern here ??

Scott, I am not questioning the "moral weight" of your guarantee.  I accept you're a person of unquestioned integrity and good standing ... although your strident defence of Christian is not doing your reputation any favours.

However, from a legal standpoint, with your LLC business structure, your guarantee holds no more weight that SlikStik's.

Mameroom Designs (Scott Glazer)

How come you expect us to accept that Mameroom Designs = Scott Glazer, and yet SlikStik <> Christian Stango ??

They're both LLC's, right ??

All that stuff you've written about Christian having "nothing to do" with the ownership or liabilities of SlikStik, being a "mere employee".

You can't have it both ways.

Either you BOTH accept personal responsibility for your respective companies, or you're BOTH "mere employees".

It's inconsistent to tell us that Mameroom Designs = Scott Glazer, yet SlikStik <> Christian Stango.