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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #760 on: January 11, 2008, 09:04:28 pm »
A friend of mine gave me some valuable info.

If anyone is getting ripped off by Slik Stik, please contact the NJ
Office of Consumer Protection at http://www.nj.gov/lps/ca/ocp.htm

They will help you regardless of where you live since Slik Stik is
located in NJ.

I had a complaint against a NJ company, contacted the state agency and
they got my refund in 5 days by threating to bring the guy up on charges
of fraud. They don't mess around.


Hopefully this will be useful for some.  I don't know how much since the company is "gone", but it sure might help getting that web page put out of commission.
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #761 on: January 11, 2008, 09:08:27 pm »
http://www.instantlink.com/index-4.html

Mailing address look familiar?



You mean "227 Bloomfield Ave"

Do a google lots of businesses share that address so it's probably like a PO box set up or something. I just typed it into google and found chemical companies and all sorts with that address.

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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #762 on: January 11, 2008, 09:36:19 pm »
Metroid...  That is one kick ass panel!  Seriously, lit ball tops, friggin great.  I hope you have a ton o fun with it.  I'm glad you got it (and it works of course).

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That is a nice looking panel, and believe it or not, we are all VERY happy you got your panel.   :cheers:  We'd be ECSTATIC if everyone got their panels.
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #763 on: January 11, 2008, 09:54:30 pm »
Whoa Whoa... Easy Zach.  Don't say everyone would be ecstatic.  I would like Mameroom to not get his panel from Christian.  That way he might understand where everyone who got shafted is coming from.  Although maybe he still wouldn't 'get it' because it's just business to him, and having someone lie and cheat you out of money is just part of 'business'.

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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #764 on: January 11, 2008, 10:22:33 pm »
You mean "227 Bloomfield Ave"

Do a google lots of businesses share that address so it's probably like a PO box set up or something. I just typed it into google and found chemical companies and all sorts with that address.

saint's note -- I thought long and hard on this one. BYOAC is officially neutral in this discussion, and I hope things work out well for everyone. However, posting a picture of someone's house, even if it is the official business address, is a bit creepy to me. Picture removed. --- saint

Response Just for the record, and for people reading this thread in its entirety, the photos posted were just what comes up when you map out that address on Microsoft Live Maps.   I don't want any readers to think that I stopped by somebody's house and took photos of it and posted them here.   I was curious to see if the address was a mail-drop as was suggested and found those pics.  The address, as saint notes, is listed as SlikStik's address and this is also public info.   I searched the address and posted proof that it wasn't a business address.

That property is/has been owned Jerome Mascari for the last few years.   Jerome (or Jerry) Mascari might be a name that some here recognize as the other part of SlikStik with Christian.   It seems that somebody at that location (which appears to be a home) has their fingers in more than one pie between slikstik, Instalink internet hosting and the Automotive Waste Industry.

Instantlink
227 Bloomfield Ave
Nutley, NJ 07110
973-667-6333

Automotive Waste Industries
227 Bloomfield Ave
Nutley, NJ 07110
Phone : (973) 667-9843
Product & Services:
Chemicals & Chemical Preparations
Chemicals Reclaiming


SlikStik's other address, which appears to be a business location instead of a residence, is shared by Elite Pools LLC and Capasso Painting, Inc., Impulse Sales, Nutley Signs and god knows who else, so who knows what's up with that.


EDIT: I wanted to apologize for coming back into this thread after saying I was done.  I had all intentions of walking away.   But since I've already posted again, I wanted to say something that I said earlier via PM which is that I think Metroid's cab looks cool.
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #765 on: January 11, 2008, 10:40:05 pm »
Interesting.

If you go here
http://www.instantlink.com/index-4.html

The contact form sends the email to jmascari@instantlink.com

Seriously, how many businesses can run out of one house?  It's all very weird to say the least.

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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #766 on: January 11, 2008, 11:42:54 pm »
it would be real easy if your just a front man.
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #767 on: January 12, 2008, 12:00:12 am »

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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #768 on: January 12, 2008, 12:01:19 am »
I accidentally edited the wrong post - DOH !!!    :banghead:
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #769 on: January 12, 2008, 12:49:06 am »
OK, just forget about those numbers.  I think it is clear at this point that no number from SS can be trusted.  I just wanted to know (and get posted here) how many BYOACers were still due SS parts.  It seems to be only about three now.

I think we can just make a condensed thread that says SS took money (and is still taking money) and not delivering product.  For the newbies that visit this forum for info and help. 

This thread in it's current form has gotten way out of hand for a simple search of should I buy a SS panel.
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #770 on: January 12, 2008, 04:30:24 am »

I do not "Back" christian.  I am taking "His" money. 

NO!  You are taking the money of folks who paid for panels they didn't get!  And to do so is DISHONEST.  An HONEST man wouldn't do such a thing.

Thats like saying that grocery store is talking the money from the people here, becuase they let Christian buy bread there. The responsibility for taking peoples money is Christians. You have been very clear that Christian have the repsonsibility for this, not the people of the forum, and I agree witht that, but the people buying from him are not "talking peoples money" either, just as little as people in here are "talking peoples money".

I would also like to point at that an action can be a contributing cause, without the person(s) taking that action beeing the repsonsible and/or to blame. Lets for arguments sake say it's true that Cristian honors less orders if people in here complain, then the complaining can be a contributing cause, however it's still Christian that is to blame and has the responsibility for beeing so unprofessional.

Maybe that was what Scott was trying to convey? Who knows, if so he has not worded himself in a very good matter, so I don't agree with a lot of his posts here. But it has understandingly been a lot of feelings involved here, and quite a lot of posts have come through in a way that might not have been the posters intentions. Quite a few posts here give the impression that the poster is only gloating about silkstik shafting consumers and going down, though i doubt that was the posters feelings.

Personally I feel Scott has gotten a lot of grief for beeing vocal in this thread, even though I don't agree with him, and a few of his posts are quite angry. I have full understanding for people wanting to boycott everyone buying from Christian, but I would urge people who just want to boycott Mameroom to at least look at Scotts other posts in the forum, and see if his actions in this thread are a one-time thing, clouded by feelings, or a general trend, and then make your descision.

Personally I'm trying to not judge peole from the things said in this thread becuase of the amouunt of feelings and money involved, that can make people from all sides say and/or do things that in retrospect was not wise.

I don't know if this even is interesting for people, or if a lurkers word carry much weight, but I felt like giving my view after following this thread for quite som time. BTW I wan't to thank people for this thread, I was myself looking into ordering a panel when I found the thread.

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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #771 on: January 12, 2008, 11:04:10 am »
I don't know if this even is interesting for people, or if a lurkers word carry much weight, but I felt like giving my view after following this thread for quite som time. BTW I wan't to thank people for this thread, I was myself looking into ordering a panel when I found the thread.

We were all lurkers once...

Still...how does it feel to know, that if you had stumbled on slikstiks "still functioning" website, and fired off a paypal payment for $1000 or so, that they would have accepted the money and given you nothing but the justification that fozzy made them mad??  THAT is what we are trying to ensure doesn't happen, nevermind gloating.  In fact, there's nothing to gloat over, since stango has publicly stated that he is taking his ill gotten goods and using it to bolster his new company.  Nothing AT ALL to gloat over.

I'm just curious how forgiving or tolerant you would have been if you had found this AFTER you had lost your money. 
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #772 on: January 12, 2008, 11:43:14 am »
One thing I still don't understand is why didn't those who never received their panels from SlikStik reverse the charges on their CC?  After almost three months of waiting, I just contacted my CC company and got my money back.  I'm just curious, it seems so easy.


I believe that the answer to your question is that many purchasers did not initiate chargeback proceedings in the appropriate time period allotted under the Fair Credit Billing Act (FCBA), which governs chargebacks.  Under the FCBA, a chargeback must be filed, in writing, within 60 days of the date of the statement listing the questioned charge (NOT 60 days from the purchase date, unless the two dates are the same).  Some banks, as a courtesy to their customers, will extend the period beyond 60 days in extenuating circumstances, but that is usually only in the case that the bank believes it can recover the funds (which is probably not the case here).

I was not going to post in this thread again, as I was able to successfully recover the funds I "lent" to Slikstik for a spinner that didn't ship after 30 days of ordering, but I thought it made sense to remind everyone reading this thread that there are ways to protect yourself when purchasing items online -- there are plenty of other Slikstiks out there, and while this thread has done a great job of warning prospective purchasers about the real risks involved with ordering from THAT company, it never hurts for all of us to remember that anytime we do business online, we are usually dealing with strangers.

So, a few tips:

1) Credit Cards.  If you can pay with a credit card, do so.  In my experience, those banks which do the best by their customers when dealing with disputes are American Express, followed by Mastercard.  Visa is third, and Discover comes in dead last.  If you are dealing with Discover, make sure that you document everything - in writing - as they will usually default to the letter of the law.  Nothing says they can't do this, but be on your guard if that is your card of choice.  Credit cards backed up by local banks and credit unions are also pretty good about protecting their members, but YMMV depending on the bank and your relationship (a large account there may help persuade the bank to rule in your favor in the event of a close dispute).

2) Paypal.  Paypal inserts itself between the payor and the payee, directing funds from your bank (worst option) or your credit card (best), and slaps fees on top of the process.  If you are going to use Paypal, if you can, ALWAYS change the default payment option to a credit card.  Otherwise, your funds are IMMEDIATELY deducted from your account, and you lose the protections of the FCBA, and are left only with Paypal's dispute process, which you agreed to be bound by when you opened your account.  This process is not as consumer-friendly as the FCPA, and you have little recourse to appeal any decision.  If you use Paypal, but use your credit card, you can utilize both processes to pressure the merchant, and you can still initiate a chargeback with your credit company.

** A little note about chargebacks -- they are extremely punitive on the merchant.  There is a fee associated with them (charged to the merchant - sometimes as much as $50 per transaction) by the credit card companies, and multiple chargebacks can lead to suspension or revocation of charge privileges.  Multiple chargebacks can have the effect of sending a teetering company over the edge because of the fees involved and the loss of banking services.

3) Timing.  What happened to many folks in the Slikstik debacle is that they were persuaded to keep on waiting for their panels/parts without challenging the transaction when they had a chance to recover their funds.  Sixty days is generally a long time to allow a merchant to deliver goods and services, and most should.  In certain circumstances, there may be a perfectly valid reason why goods/services haven't been delivered in the 60 day time frame, but at that point, the burden should shift.  NEVER hesitate to intiate a chargeback in these situations.  You can communicate to the vendor that you have done so to protect your interests, and you can always withdraw the dispute.  What you CAN'T do is initiate the dispute after the deadline (unless the bank is lenient as above).  A merchant with good intentions should understand your concern, and should work to either deliver the goods on time, provide a refund for the initial purchase and allow you to "re-charge" to restart the clock, or - best case - agree to charge you upon shipment.

I know this doesn't get anyone their panels or equipment, and for that I'm sorry.  But, maybe it will make someone a smarter consumer for the "next time."
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #773 on: January 12, 2008, 11:51:27 am »
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #774 on: January 12, 2008, 12:07:01 pm »
Scott Glazer from Mameroom publicly states:
"PEOPLE OF BYOAC...YOU, AND YOU ALONE HAVE A CHOICE ON HOW THIS ENDS.  ALL CUSTOMERS WILL RECEIVE THEIR PRODUCTS...IF AND ONLY IF YOU REMAIN SILENT AGAINST CHRIS"....

...wow, a bold (but factually accurate) statement...what do you do?

No, that is not a "factually accurate" statement. You have no evidence that Christian would have fulfilled his obligations even if Fozzy had built a golden statue in his image and sacrificed a lamb at its feet.

So, "The People of BYOAC" had no choice in how it ended, only Christian had that choice.

There are a few problems with your proclamation here, and these problems reflect negatively on you:

- You are accepting Christian's claims as gospel, i.e., when he says that if people here play nice, then he will make good on the orders, you believe that to be as sure as the next sunrise.

- You fail to see the twisted logic behind his little arbitrary ultimatum, i.e., you fail to see that him fulfilling his obligations and how people treat him on a forum have no logical connection.

- Believing this to be a perfectly valid cause & effect scenario, you place the blame squarely on "The People of BYOAC" for Christian's reneging. Now there are plenty of potentially valid causes for the effect of Christian not being able to fulfill his obligations, but people here being "mean" to him is decidedly not one of them.

Your willingness you indulge some overgrown child's fantasies of how the world should work is why people here are coming down on you.
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #775 on: January 12, 2008, 12:21:45 pm »
I don't know if this even is interesting for people, or if a lurkers word carry much weight, but I felt like giving my view after following this thread for quite som time. BTW I wan't to thank people for this thread, I was myself looking into ordering a panel when I found the thread.

We were all lurkers once...

Still...how does it feel to know, that if you had stumbled on slikstiks "still functioning" website, and fired off a paypal payment for $1000 or so, that they would have accepted the money and given you nothing but the justification that fozzy made them mad??  THAT is what we are trying to ensure doesn't happen, nevermind gloating.  In fact, there's nothing to gloat over, since stango has publicly stated that he is taking his ill gotten goods and using it to bolster his new company.  Nothing AT ALL to gloat over.

I'm just curious how forgiving or tolerant you would have been if you had found this AFTER you had lost your money. 

Maybe my post wasn't particualry clear, but my post wasn't about forgiving Christian, as I said, i find it (at best) very unprofessional to not deliver, and to let peoples posts here decide if random people get their panel. And maybe I to would be less forgiving if it was me. But that is why I urge people to step back and look at what people are saying other plasces than this thread, becuase  it can be coloured by a lot of feelings and money.

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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #776 on: January 12, 2008, 03:05:31 pm »
Can I Make an Suggestion?

Can a Moderator or the Starter of this post - Make an Edit to THE FIRST POST.

I think that EVERYONE in this thread that has a Order pending or order that WAS pending with SS be put in the first thread and that it remain updated.

It seems that after 20 pages this thread started out with one guys issue and maybe 8 or so other people who are BYOAC members came in saying they were in the same situation.

It also seems that a few 2 or 3 maybe more have received something since this thread stated.

Im not a Xtian lover or anything - you can all read my other post of my experience with SS  and how i feel about him and SS, but I think it would be good to put things in perspecitve here.

I think if every BYOAC member here in this thread that is waiting on a SS product get some sort of remedy, while it does not exonerate Xtian/SS it does kind of shows that this thread ran it's corse and did it's Job.

The list should look something like this.

BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.
BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received or Not received, or other remedy.

EX:
COmp1demon-SS-                    Quad Custom Pannel $1500       order-Placed 11/5-      Received
Metroid-                                    SSXXXXPannelCustom-               order placed XX//07 -  Received
BYOACmember-                        CO2 Panel blank-                        order placed 11/07 -    Still waiting
BYOACmember-                        Full SS pannel XX                        order Placed 1/8/08 -   Refunded


YOU GET THE IDEA HERE>

I think this would be a good way to SHow Every BYOAC member sicne this thread stated, what they have ordered and where they are.

If we can get it to look like this .

BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received
BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received
BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received
BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received
BYOAC MEMBER NAME     ---     WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR---------Order Date---------Received


Then This Thread Did it's job and hopefully everyone gets a Remedy that is favorable to them, Either what they ordered or a Refund.

PS: as much Scott hating as there is going on here, weather we like what he says or not - He is doing the right thing still and always has - If you get a refund from SS or just NEED TO ORDER A BLANK, if you cannot do it yourself, you should still consider mameroom.  He might be dealing with Xtian, but remember if he cannot get an order filled, he will do it himself.  I think MAMEROOM is still a good business to deal with.



Soory for my long rant and thread Example - but I think a list like this is a good idea in POST ONE - so we can see where things are at.

I know we cannot include NON BYOAC MEMBERS, amd im sure he has quite a few of those orders pending, but don't we care about our members here at BYOAC more than anyone else - since we don't know who other possible SS customers might be?
 


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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #777 on: January 12, 2008, 03:15:13 pm »
This is a good idea, kind of what I was going for a few posts back, but it really seems like only a few people haven't gotten anything yet (at least of who's left reading this thread).
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #778 on: January 12, 2008, 03:19:30 pm »
That sounds like a good idea....

Seeing as when you link it goes to the first post....

But may I suggest there is a received date inserted.....Not just received....

Just to give people the whole picture..........


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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #779 on: January 12, 2008, 03:29:40 pm »
Posting so I am notified of posts in this thread. What a mess.

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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #780 on: January 13, 2008, 04:56:03 am »
Sixty days is generally a long time to allow a merchant to deliver goods and services, and most should.

A genuinely honest merchant, shouldn't charge your credit card at all, until they actually have goods to ship to you and are actually sending them out of the door. It's not the customers responsibility to bolster up the cashflow of the merchant. If they don't have the goods to sell to you then they don't have a business! At the end of the day, if there is any delay for any reason, or they go over the time they have quoted for producing a custom built item, then that should be at the cost of the merchant not the customer.

Look at it this way, you wouldn't walk into a high street store and say:

Customer: "I'd like that TV set please, Here's a credit card payment for it."
Salesman: "Thank you sir, I'll just take the $650 from your credit card"
Customer: "OK I'll go get my car to put it in"
Salesman: "Oh! ermmm Sorry Sir!.... We don't actually have a TV Set for you, The supplier is waiting for some parts so they can build them and their supplier is out of stock we're expecting them in next month, but we're keeping your money anyway"

NO NO NO!!! This never happens.... you'd take your card to another store down the road that DOES have TV Sets in stock. Why should you treat the internet any differently to the way you treat the high street. For your own protection, you shouldn't.

The safest way to order on line is to ALWAYS! add a note to your order stating that your credit card is NOT to be charged until the day that the goods ship. If they still then charge your card without shipping the goods, you can immediately dispute it with your bank, as a fraudulent transaction. 60 Day limit or not!

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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #781 on: January 13, 2008, 10:10:10 am »
fozzy...as much as i agree with you on most things regarding slikstik and all of christian's buffoonery...i have to point out something very important in the case of custom work...

anything custom should require a deposit of some kind before anything is done...this protects the seller to a point in case the buyer flakes out on the custom order...all of the work that goes into making something specific to one person would be very difficult to sell to someone else who might not like what the original buyer wanted...

usually a deposit to cover most of the cost would be all that is necessary to allow the seller to be able to sell the now abandoned custom order to someone else at a discount and still make some money for their labour...

i have no problem with merchants requiring deposits on custom work and special orders for this reason...

a television set is not a custom product and so your comparison doesn't really work too well...

i definitely think that slikstick is a bit shady(one of many obvious reasons) for requiring full payment on their panels well before they are completed...

 :cheers:

Sixty days is generally a long time to allow a merchant to deliver goods and services, and most should.

A genuinely honest merchant, shouldn't charge your credit card at all, until they actually have goods to ship to you and are actually sending them out of the door. It's not the customers responsibility to bolster up the cashflow of the merchant. If they don't have the goods to sell to you then they don't have a business! At the end of the day, if there is any delay for any reason, or they go over the time they have quoted for producing a custom built item, then that should be at the cost of the merchant not the customer.

Look at it this way, you wouldn't walk into a high street store and say:

Customer: "I'd like that TV set please, Here's a credit card payment for it."
Salesman: "Thank you sir, I'll just take the $650 from your credit card"
Customer: "OK I'll go get my car to put it in"
Salesman: "Oh! ermmm Sorry Sir!.... We don't actually have a TV Set for you, The supplier is waiting for some parts so they can build them and their supplier is out of stock we're expecting them in next month, but we're keeping your money anyway"

NO NO NO!!! This never happens.... you'd take your card to another store down the road that DOES have TV Sets in stock. Why should you treat the internet any differently to the way you treat the high street. For your own protection, you shouldn't.

The safest way to order on line is to ALWAYS! add a note to your order stating that your credit card is NOT to be charged until the day that the goods ship. If they still then charge your card without shipping the goods, you can immediately dispute it with your bank, as a fraudulent transaction. 60 Day limit or not!

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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #782 on: January 13, 2008, 10:27:23 am »
usually a deposit to cover most of the cost would be all that is necessary to allow the seller to be able to sell the now abandoned custom order to someone else at a discount and still make some money for their labour

Yes I see your point..... However, Christian was taking thousands in full payments and in many cases still hasn't shipped the goods. Due to his dishonesty The only people here with losses are the customers.

If he had a percentage deposit on custom items then that's a different matter, Many of his items were not custom sales at all, but stock item options. The only thing custom being with layout on some of the panels. Potential loss being only the MDF panel top and the labour cutting it. When you take that into account, he stood to lose nothing.

So I think it really does apply here.

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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #783 on: January 13, 2008, 11:37:13 am »
A genuinely honest merchant, shouldn't charge your credit card at all, until they actually have goods to ship to you and are actually sending them out of the door.

I think you are probably being a little too draconian in your definition of "honest."  There has to be SOME element of faith in a transaction (on both sides), and I hesitate to call a merchant's honesty into question if I am charged for an item before it is shipped, but I receive the item in the agreed upon time-frame, and the item is in good condition (whether custom or not).  The entire economy of Ebay is based on this process (pay first/ship after), and there are plenty of honest merchants that utilize this service.  I recognize that your response was colored by your feelings about SlikStik (and as I have PERSONALLY experienced trying to consummate a transaction, I share your frustrations), but you have to judge each vendor's "honesty" on his or her ability to fulfill the basic elements of the transaction.  The fact remains that there is always an element of risk involved in arms-length transactions.  Fortunately, there are methods for both buyers and sellers to protect themselves.  That was the point of the post -- not to question what payment practices makes a merchant "honest."  And frankly, I'm not sure whether those practices are relevant to the issue of honesty, as long as both parties get what they bargained for.

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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #784 on: January 13, 2008, 12:28:58 pm »
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #785 on: January 13, 2008, 06:47:38 pm »
anything custom should require a deposit of some kind before anything is done...this protects the seller to a point in case the buyer flakes out on the custom order...all of the work that goes into making something specific to one person would be very difficult to sell to someone else who might not like what the original buyer wanted.

Yes, I agree with this statement.

The operative words being DEPOSIT and CUSTOM.

In these circumstances, the product MUST be produced to completion, and delivered, within an agreed timeframe.


SlikStik had NO justification to take advance payment for these sorts of items :

I was able to successfully recover the funds I "lent" to Slikstik for a spinner that didn't ship after 30 days of ordering

Thankfully, this would-be customer wised up "just in time", and got himself a chargeback.

He did not let himself be fooled by Christian's lame excuses ...

Also, I'd like to point out once again that Christian penned the majority of those emails (and phone calls) that caused people to wait out their chargeback time frames.

In true heroic fashion, he stayed on the phone for long hours, putting in tireless nights in order to glad-handle his way into getting people past their CC chargeback limits, all so he could selflessly take the flimsiest of reasons to hoard the product for himself and leave his previous obligations wholly unfulfilled.

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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #786 on: January 13, 2008, 07:14:54 pm »
I am LOVING the fact that he references his new business in that mail. He's totally cool with 200-some odd people (a guess: 200 people at a $100 order a piece) having to fight for scraps in the class action lawsuit that's coming, thrilled to death that he got the physical merchandise safely out of there. You couldn't have written that any better if you were attempting to cobble together a fake e-mail that totally destroys his reputation for life.  Everything we said about him was 100% correct. Somehow, calling him out on his BS and predicting his movements every step of the way made us all "morons." (Morons with some kind of unexplained drinking problem as well, looking back.)

I'll give the kid that only speaks with the keys from ~ to backspace credit: his dogged determination to support a guy who apparently just concocted one of the greatest scams in the entire history of arcades certainly got him his product.

That's under-estimating the amount of money that's been pocketed.

In Christian's own words, there are over 20K worth of unfulfilled orders on a wholesale (ie, cost to produce) basis.  Taking profit margins into account, this probably equates to about 50K in retail funds (ie, cold hard cash) of which people have been scammed ...


[email from Christian Stango]

I am putting a cease on all orders that I was going to be filling out of my pocket. Yes, it has to be done. I am not going to sit here and take over 20k out of my pocket to restock the part inventory, manufacture them and ship them out


There's also the outstanding, non-order related debts incurred by SlikStik, such as debts to suppliers ...

Kev Steele is owed money, for SlikStik's advertising in Retroblast, for which payment was never made.
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #787 on: January 14, 2008, 05:08:07 pm »
Well, apparently Happ Controls has gotten screwed over by SlikStik as well.  I had placed an order the week of Christmas through Happ for the Spinner Assembly, knob, and some other buttons just to flush out my order to $100.  When I had previously ordered from Happ before, the order arrived in a few days.  This time, a few weeks passed and I still didn't see anything.

On Friday I e-mailed their customer support department and asked what the status was on my order.  Just now, I got an e-mail back stating that the SlikStik spinner assembly has been on backorder for a few months now from the manufacturer.  They were "supposed" to be back in stock on December 28th, but she hasn't heard anything yet. 

I proceeded to make mention of this thread here and the pending litigation against SlikStik and asked if it would be possible to cancel my order altogether since they will never get the parts they've ordered.  I'm just waiting to hear their response.
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #788 on: January 14, 2008, 05:11:28 pm »
I still have a few spinner tops left if you need, also I am using the ultimarc spintrack its a great spinner that the happ spinner tops fit, pm if I can help
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« Reply #789 on: January 14, 2008, 05:29:18 pm »
I still have a few spinner tops left if you need, also I am using the ultimarc spintrack its a great spinner that the happ spinner tops fit, pm if I can help
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Do they also fit the TT2 by chance?

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« Reply #790 on: January 14, 2008, 05:37:46 pm »
I'm sorry I have never used that spinner if you can get me the shaft od I will check
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« Reply #791 on: January 14, 2008, 06:16:23 pm »
According to the GGG website it's 1/4" diameter.
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #792 on: January 15, 2008, 10:01:15 am »
I still have a few spinner tops left if you need, also I am using the ultimarc spintrack its a great spinner that the happ spinner tops fit, pm if I can help
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Thanks.  I'll let you know.  I'm kind of in a holding pattern anyway, so I said that I'd wait until the end of the month before cancelling my order completely with Happ.  I was just trying to get the spinner they sell on their site since it has very little "cutting" that needs to be done to place it on the CP, and it has a built in encoder with PS2/USB feeds and support for 3 buttons, thus allowing me to avoid having to buy an Opti-Pac just to interface it with my computer.

I guess I'll start looking elsewhere for spinners.   ;D
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #793 on: January 15, 2008, 10:18:13 am »
Start (and end) with the TurboTwist 2 at GroovyGameGear.com.

It fit's in a button hole.  It has the highest resolution of the spinners out there,  and it comes with it's own encoder with USB connection.

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« Reply #794 on: January 15, 2008, 11:49:27 am »
and it comes with it's own encoder with USB connection.
That will also control a trackball.
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #795 on: January 15, 2008, 04:00:47 pm »
A fellow let me know today that he got money out of stango.  Here is the usenet message:

Just an update on my order with SlikStik.  I ordered a $1200+ control
panel from them on 9/1/07.  I never once got an email replied to from
him and never talked to him on the phone (just the machine) when trying
to find out about my order.  After following this post and others I
decided I would try and get my money back today.  I paid with a credit
card that was charged the day I place the order.  I talked to my credit
card issuer (Chase Bank) today and even though it was charged almost 5
months ago they reversed the charges and credited my account without
even a question.  They said the bank that he has his account with is
still open and it was now a fight between his bank and him as to who got
to pay for the charge.  Not sure if all credit card issuers are this
good but I have to say THANK YOU CHASE!!!  I have my money and will
order from a better vendor in the next few days.
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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #796 on: January 15, 2008, 04:14:54 pm »
I have had the same luck with my Chase card. I just called up to inquire about the $25 that paypal conveniently refuses to reimburse when a seller screws you (my purchase was for $25.57 ::) ). I just told them the date and they said "ok you have a credit on your account.

So is this guy saying the money was credited to Christian Stango's personal account originally? That is what is suggested. Just wanted to clarify that, as it answers ALOT of questions if so.

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« Reply #797 on: January 15, 2008, 05:00:18 pm »
I dunno, that's the posting in its entirety.  I've asked if he knows the particular account it came out of.  If it comes out of stango's personal account, then yeah, not much controversy about where the money went, eh?  Hard to say the money went to slikstik if it dropped right in the account of mr Christiaan R Stango. 

Still, I can't imagine Christiaan allowing this loophole to be open very long, he'll want to keep all the booty he can.  If people can act, I suggest they do so now. 
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« Reply #798 on: January 15, 2008, 06:26:09 pm »
I have a similar twist of good fortune.  As you all might recall, my purchase was on March 13, 2007, and my credit card was charged the next day.  The last contact I had with SS was on October 2, 2007.  After countless unreturned phone messages and unresponded to emails, I contacted my local bank which issued my credit card (INTRUST).  I instituted charge back procedures on November 11, 2007.  After I provided my bank with written documentation of the dispute, SS was given 45 days to respond to my claim and I was give a "provisional" credit.  Of course, SS failed to respond within the 45 day window.  I just received final word from my bank that my credit is now permanent and the matter is resolved.  Thank you Intrust Bank!!  I will be ordering a panel from Jack at www.arcadesrfun.com.

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Re: Slik Stik - Any Word
« Reply #799 on: January 15, 2008, 06:29:25 pm »
Still, I can't imagine Christiaan allowing this loophole to be open very long, he'll want to keep all the booty he can.  If people can act, I suggest they do so now. 

No but it will be very interesting if it did go directly into Stango's personal account...... Because there are two issues here.

If it did... then:
1) He has illegally embezzled that money from the rightful owner SlikStik LLC.
2) He can not hide behind SlikStik LLC. the way he has been during the course of all of this, because SlikStick were not paid for the goods by the customers... He Was!!
3) If it did go to his account then HE is personally liable for all of the failed deliveries and legally liable to ALL of the defrauded customers.
4) It would absolutely prove that his claims to be just an employee are total and utter BS.

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