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Jennifer needs opininions
« on: May 24, 2018, 01:27:59 pm »
I am currently upgrading my workbench a bit and not really sure if a $200.00 (us) zip tie gun could be considered practical.  I would use it, but the only advantage I could see would be consistent tension and a clean non sharp cut, and the ability to poke it into difficult places....This one has about the best reviews I could find. Any opinions?
« Last Edit: May 25, 2018, 03:12:05 am by jennifer »

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2018, 02:01:49 pm »
if you can swing it, get it.
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2018, 02:18:06 pm »
If you rebuild and rewire a lot of harnesses, and I suspect you do, then go for it.
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2018, 02:23:24 pm »
Well that's 2 for yes  8).... It should be pointed out I guess, Jenn  isn't all like some eccentric lottery winner or something. I just like quality tools, The H/f model only has 1 1/2 stars out of almost 300 reviews.

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2018, 05:54:58 pm »
Personally I believe in having the correct tools for the job and also quality tools.
They are after all my bread and butter (bearing in mind my job)

However I think the question you have to ask is do I need it?
If the answer is yes buy it.
If the answer is no then dont lol

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2018, 06:29:54 pm »
I would have a really hard time believing  anyone would ever really need one, especially since you need to put the tie on manually first anyway before you cinch and cut it, However most factory workers most likely had one, so to duplicate the precise flush cut....That's 3 for yes :P

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2018, 07:33:34 pm »
I would have a really hard time believing  anyone would ever really need one, especially since you need to put the tie on manually first anyway before you cinch and cut it, However most factory workers most likely had one, so to duplicate the precise flush cut....That's 3 for yes :P

Well I use hundreds of ties and work in a factory yet have never used or felt the need for one lol

For harnesses etc ide prefer spiraband or race way tbh lol

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2018, 07:58:41 pm »
If you really want to go crazy, why not get the auto-feeding kind shown at 0:50 in this video.   >:D

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The $8 Harbor Freight zip-tie gun leaves a sharp 1/8" tab so that piece-of-crap is a poor choice.

Between HF and Panduit, there are some mid-range options like this $43 gun.   ;D

It has lots of good reviews.
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I was really pleased with the quality of this gun. With the ties I have been using, it has been cutting them nearly flush and without a sharp edge.

The gun has a nice solid feel to it. Nothing seems flimsy and nothing is rattling.

I used to have an much more expensive Panduit gun and I feel like this is performing on the same level.


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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2018, 08:01:40 pm »
opininions = opinions + onions  :lol

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2018, 09:31:48 pm »
I would start a list of tools that aren't worth buying new and search it once a week to see if a used one pops up for a fraction of the cost of a new one.
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2018, 01:52:15 am »
One obvious question (I have no clue on your background or what you do) but would you actually use it enough to justify spending $200 on this? Like, do you sit there and rewire harnesses for a few hours every day? Or do you do it for 20 minutes once a month?

I have owned many different types of tools over many years, and one thing about tools is that there is no replacement for the RIGHT tool for the job. But in the case of something like a zip tie gun, because it's easy to manually do a few zip ties every now and then, it only makes sense to buy an expensive gun for it if your number of zip ties you are doing is greater than X per month.
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2018, 02:44:58 am »
One obvious question (I have no clue on your background or what you do) but would you actually use it enough to justify spending $200 on this? Like, do you sit there and rewire harnesses for a few hours every day? Or do you do it for 20 minutes once a month?

I have owned many different types of tools over many years, and one thing about tools is that there is no replacement for the RIGHT tool for the job. But in the case of something like a zip tie gun, because it's easy to manually do a few zip ties every now and then, it only makes sense to buy an expensive gun for it if your number of zip ties you are doing is greater than X per month.
The answer to that is no, Jenn wouldn't pull the trigger 50,000 times a year for what its rated, most likely not even close to that in a lifetime, (usually I only buy a couple hundred ties a year) But that aside, I have always left them loose with a tail in hopes the sharp cut wont slice someone (me) digging around in there or a wire compromising insulation. Bottom line it feels sloppy, and I feel there must be a more comprehensive solution, The high(er) end may not be it according to the posts here, (THX guys) But quality over quantity to me is paramount.....That Ms pac video is almost a dream , not a wasted motion by anyone all working together like a refined machine of efficiency.

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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2018, 03:46:37 am »
After much thought and opinions Jenn has made a choice, I will use everyone's ideas as one good idea.... (I removed the link as not to give false hopes to the vender) But if anyone was interested in that it was The Panduit GTS-E series....Malenco and Yots , for talking me into this
                                                   T/gamer and Jbud.... For quality and questioning the "need"
                                                   Opt2not.... For the onions on my dinner noodles, :-\
                                                    PL1....For lower end options W/reviews and giving me factory floor flashback nightmares
                                                   And P/oliver for cost options.... This one was hard, and Had to use this idea on termination tooling (normally Jenn doesn't buy used) but Oh my good deals ;)
Cost seemed to be the biggest concern, So I decided to try find a cheaper one with no reviews but between Pl1s 50.00, And panduits 200, That way it still could be considered affordable quality, for everyone. Jenn will do a review on it for you guys should you want one/or not  https://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/wire-tie-guns-and-accessories/75420?mpart=1212609&vendor=277 ....Thx everyone ;D
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2018, 04:02:08 am »
If that tool doesn't trim as flush as you like, you can use either flush wire cutters or small end nippers to remove the remaining sharp tail.

 


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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2018, 05:29:15 am »
Jenn I think you have probably made the right choice.

I know what you mean about the want to not cut yaself up on the ties, My arms are covered in cuts and scars from this exact thing! Infact I skinned a large section on the back of my thumb just last night :(

Anywho I digress, You cant change what others do but for your own wiring options you have options!

So personally for wireing harnesses I personally like spira band.
Its cheap as chips to buy and looks really nice, Downside is that its slow to install and a pain in the butt to pull cables in or out/trace cables.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Metre-Cable-Tidy-Kit-PC-TV-Wire-Organising-Wrap-Tool-Spiral-Office-Home/122714804493?epid=2254727580&hash=item1c925f510d:m:mPA1JUiSiAvfbKG_BJETqAw

You can also use split conduits like this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Black-spiral-conduit-tube-pipe-split-non-split-cable-wire-tidy-6-5mm-23mm/282317172757?hash=item41bb6a3015:m:mQNjqJIyqE0XfQi4LS0VWXg

The other option if you have the room is race way trunking like this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stageek-Cable-Management-Kit-Open-Slot-On-WallWiring-Raceway-Duct-with-Cover-TVs/132633436293?epid=22019777266&hash=item1ee191a085:g:zxsAAOSwHPNbBUol

Lots of options for neat and tidy pain free cable management :)

Cable ties are for amateurs ;) LOL

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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2018, 07:31:52 am »
I LOVE buying tools - but $200 for an item like that may be a bit much.  I personally consider harbor Freight only for single use tools.  Everything after that is a bonus..
Now  If they made a $50 version as suggested.. I'd put that on my list  :P
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2018, 07:46:22 am »
Jennifer the route I always go is lowest price with the highest rating.  I have been bit in the ass too many times buying the most expensive version thinking that it will be best and it turns out to be garbage.  To me $200 seems too high for what the tool actually does.  If its not gold plated I would try to find something in a lower price range.

To me something seems suspicious also when a quick amazon search brings up only one gun that is in that price range and all the others are posted for half the price and below...

+1 for buying but not at that price.

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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2018, 09:10:34 am »
PM me your PayPal Jenn , I'll gladly chip in to mitigate the cost a little.
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2018, 10:09:25 am »
PM me your PayPal Jenn , I'll gladly chip in to mitigate the cost a little.
  Oh aren't you guys just fun too me, over something as seemingly unimportant a lowly zip tie non-the less. However like most things I would suppose there are design differences that would make some better and some not so much. (for example the cheaper ones seem to use a thumb wheel thing that looks kinda slow and difficult to use, especially if a girl was to use many different size ties at any given time) one would think you would have to mess with the tension that could be slow and obviously would defeat the purpose  .... Thanks Malenco, That is a nice gesture on your part, However this isn't a money thing for me (Id go all pneumatic pac factory if left to my own thoughts) This was more about the practicality of such a tool in a resto/Mame world.

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2018, 11:25:17 am »
I bought this from Bob Roberts years ago for $8:

http://therealbobroberts.net/cabletool.html

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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2018, 01:50:41 pm »
   Ah, so you do have one, And only guessing its not the "must have cat meow" tool that some might think ::) It does have a nice look to it however even at that price, doesn't look like a hold up weapon from some 1930s bank robbery....I have been research binging on this till my brains melt, And got curious about that industrial tooling at the pac factory, Seems those ( or modern pneumatic equivalents ) could be had in the 900-1300 dollar range. on the low side. https://www.cabletiesandmore.com/american/catalog/avery-dennison-pneumatic-cable-tool-p-2024.php
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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2018, 05:12:09 pm »
I would start a list of tools that aren't worth buying new and search it once a week to see if a used one pops up for a fraction of the cost of a new one.
   Sitting here about to pull the trigger (so to speak, giggle) And Jenn thought to do 1 last search.... And BINGO,  I got 2 of them, for a C note!!!.... 1 Panduit GTS (apparently lightly used), And an EVO7 (With some light scratches).... OH,HAPPY DAY, DANCE,DANCE. :droid  :droid

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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2018, 05:42:42 pm »
I canít imagine ever needing this tool.....

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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2018, 06:23:21 pm »
   (Where were we? 3/1?).. I thought that too, especially on a video game board almost seems kinda silly....But apparently not only cable ties not all created equally, but there are actually MIL specs and standards on the other end of that (aerospace  and such), That and every opinion in this thread has more about cost effective approaches that the unnecessary aspect (So far anyway).... Thx again Everyone   ;D

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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2018, 08:08:03 pm »
Son, I donít understand a word you just said.

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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2018, 09:53:39 pm »
Son, I donít understand a word you just said.
Well Nancy, Let me simple it down for you then....AWESOME!!! 8)....EXICTING  :droid....FUN!!! :bump
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« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2018, 07:35:39 am »
Jumping on the band wagon a little late here but, if I had to use the thing everyday or it would greatly help me on my output then yes, I would buy it.
But if I only needed it for my hobby, and it would sit in my toolbox for months at a time, nah.
You can also try using finger nail clippers to cut the tie. They do a pretty decent job, just cant get into some places.

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« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2018, 08:27:57 am »
hmm..  I may need one when doing my CP...  I do love a good new tool...
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« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2018, 02:40:02 pm »
hmm..  I may need one when doing my CP...  I do love a good new tool...
I wouldn't think too hard about this tool, Either do it or not, if you start in Like Jenn you wont sleep for days ;).... I am still (so far) thinking its not a necessary thing, especially for some startup box, The money certainly could be used better elsewhere. But good tooling lasts virtually forever and could be justified over a lifetime if taken care of.

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« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2018, 02:57:38 pm »
Jumping on the band wagon a little late here but, if I had to use the thing everyday or it would greatly help me on my output then yes, I would buy it.
But if I only needed it for my hobby, and it would sit in my toolbox for months at a time, nah.
You can also try using finger nail clippers to cut the tie. They do a pretty decent job, just cant get into some places.
  I have tools that Get used Like once a decade (Military tube tester, and that convergence scope come to mind) ....But knowing Its there gets me into projects that some may pass on.

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« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2018, 04:04:03 pm »
**Jennifer lights a Lucky and contemplates....  In fact do we really need anything? Most workbenches are littered with piles of tools that are rarely used, Fiberglass/plastic screwdrivers and the like, needed for only one specific purpose but necessary to do the job correctly. My shop for example is no exception, The workbench is reminiscent of a old Television repair shop outdated in itself by the analog nature of CRT"s and assorted equipment. (**Fun story, I have 3 color vector scopes ;))... But it doesn't end there, out the back door, and your into fabrication equipment, planners, millers, Jointers and the like, again outdated to some in the CNC world, And lets not forget the screen-printing room, this industry hasn't changed much over the years, with the possible exception of Led exposures, and digital image programs but still necessary?....Paint also a fun subject, but does one really need a fully functional paint booth to do it? probably not but it sure makes life easier .....It should be mentioned, Jennier Downsized a few years back, and is a bit more "consumer grade" in todays purchases, and no longer does her own platting (long story) but still do we ever need ANY of it?
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« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2018, 04:13:49 pm »
No. But keep enjoying that consumerism.
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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2018, 04:22:17 pm »
No. But keep enjoying that consumerism.
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« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2018, 04:46:22 pm »
No. But keep enjoying that consumerism.
  Jenn laughs,  I would like to think we all do.... Those who like tools, also know they make money. ;D

Don't go confusing capitalism with consumerism. And you will NEVER make $200 back from a zip tie cutter. EVER.
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« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2018, 05:03:47 pm »
Possibly not....But It does make one wonder why they (multiple companies) bother to even offer them then. One could look at it like this.... You buy 10k in tools (and a zip tie gun) And do something that pays back the tools, that zip tie gun gets paid back by say a set of craftsman sockets, and a air ratchet, but the overall quality of the product is better because of the attention to EVERY detail, Including the tension on the cable ties.(Not to mention its production benefit capabilities)... To build one game I agree, but to do dozens at a time, or even over a lifetime I wouldn't be so sure.
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« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2018, 07:50:00 pm »
One could look at it like this.... You buy 10k in tools (and a zip tie gun) And do something that pays back the tools, that zip tie gun gets paid back by say a set of craftsman sockets, and a air ratchet...

No. There is a reason why mechanics are poor. And tool debt is a LARGE portion of it. And that's a mechanic, grinding 8+ hours a day with his tools getting multiple cars out of the shop. $200 for "zip tie tensioners" is some of the dumbest ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- I've heard, and I own many Snap-On tools, so there ya go...
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« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2018, 08:32:20 pm »
All right Don't need a piano to fall on my head,... 3 yes, 2 no...*Edit, If  D/O/Man is saying no too, that's 3/3
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« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2018, 09:15:05 pm »
So we are back to practical or not, this guy makes a good case for yes, should anyone be interested.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA8c9TP0ax8....But Jenn only cares for others around here that think it would be fun to play with one at any cost, (but most likely lower end yet practical as far as usefulness)....If any of you guys got a different (not so popular) tool on your workbench Jennifer would love to see it please. :P

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« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2018, 07:34:52 am »
So we are back to practical or not, this guy makes a good case for yes, should anyone be interested.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA8c9TP0ax8....But Jenn only cares for others around here that think it would be fun to play with one at any cost, (but most likely lower end yet practical as far as usefulness)....If any of you guys got a different (not so popular) tool on your workbench Jennifer would love to see it please. :P


Alas I cant show you my not so popular but functional tool or I would get banned LOL

But again I take you back to wrap ;)





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« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2018, 08:12:03 am »
All right Don't need a piano to fall on my head,... 3 yes, 2 no...*Edit, If  D/O/Man is saying no too, that's 3/3

I watched the video you linked to, and I have to say this is what we used at my job (Electrician in an aluminum rolling mill).
(I say used because I retired from that job April 1 of this year.)

These things are very nice. The company bought all the tools, so I had no idea what they cost, I figured under a hundred but IDK, never priced them.
If you can afford this tool, I guess my answer would be yes.
If you really dont have a large tool budget, and this thing wont be used very often, id say No.

Now, my solid answer?
(Flipping coin).
Since you seem intent on getting this, and it seems you would use it more than I would (in my personal work), I have to give you a yes.

Go out young Jenn, spend like no tomorrow and ride with the wind! :)
(You only live once and you really cant take it with you anyway.)

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« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2018, 08:35:10 am »
I retired from that job April 1 of this year.

Congrats! :cheers:
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« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2018, 09:40:48 am »
I retired from that job April 1 of this year.

Congrats! :cheers:

Thanks Nephasth!
I worked there 30.5 years. It was a good job, paid good, but swing shift sucks. Not much time for playing or outside projects, and kids grow up before you know it.
But I am fortunate to be able to retire at 60 yrs old. But my plan in my young years was to retire at 50. When I hit 50 it became 55, when I hit 60, I figured Id better finish the job or get off the pot.
So far retirement has been good. I really like not HAVING to get up early, although I still do a lot of mornings.
I would like to do some traveling, so I may do that later this summer. (Zapcon is on my travel list next year.)

Sorry to hijack your thread Jennifer.

Back to the ty-wrap thinngy.. Now what were they used for?


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« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2018, 09:43:46 am »
Zapcon is well worth the trip. They have a great arcade restoration community out there.

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« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2018, 11:14:24 am »
My threads need a good Hijack from time to time, Congrats on that retierment ;D.... I already bought 2 of them a few days ago, got a sweet deal on to of them, (haven't got them yet) so this thread isn't really about Jenn anymore, more about the others who may want/need one too, (Although secretly I would wish yots to review that one of his as a benchmark)....T/gamer, P/m me with that "Not so popular tool" :o (giggle) I like those wraps, and for those Mame guys that would be the answer, However for me personally, Jenn is more into restorations, and that wasn't used much, arcade machines were put together really fast with state of the art tooling for the day, even today its hard to reverse engineer them. Its more like "How was that done".....MikeA, the whole world is a restoration community. so go get yourself a welder and get to work >:D

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« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2018, 01:17:21 pm »
My threads need a good Hijack from time to time, Congrats on that retierment ;D.... I already bought 2 of them a few days ago, got a sweet deal on to of them, (haven't got them yet) so this thread isn't really about Jenn anymore, more about the others who may want/need one too, (Although secretly I would wish yots to review that one of his as a benchmark)....T/gamer, P/m me with that "Not so popular tool" :o (giggle) I like those wraps, and for those Mame guys that would be the answer, However for me personally, Jenn is more into restorations, and that wasn't used much, arcade machines were put together really fast with state of the art tooling for the day, even today its hard to reverse engineer them. Its more like "How was that done".....MikeA, the whole world is a restoration community. so go get yourself a welder and get to work >:D

I wonder if they used tie guns back then?
Ime guessing not by the amount of cuts ive gotten.

Infact if you want to keep it real ide suggest cutting them with a rusty serrated pair of cutters lol


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« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2018, 02:14:10 pm »
Infact if you want to keep it real ide suggest cutting them with a rusty serrated pair of cutters lol
I chew them off with my teeth.
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« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2018, 02:14:55 pm »
Infact if you want to keep it real ide suggest cutting them with a rusty serrated pair of cutters lol
I chew them off with my teeth.

Yeah reckon that would work to LOL

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« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2018, 02:20:15 pm »
Rusty scissors" that's funny (Jenn cackles)....Although I haven't looked into it, My guess the history of the zip tie originated during the war, for the aerospace ind. and judging from past projects didn't become popular until the early 60s (possibly late 50s), that and linoleum. :timebomb:

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« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2018, 02:42:53 pm »
Rusty scissors" that's funny (Jenn cackles)....Although I haven't looked into it, My guess the history of the zip tie originated during the war, for the aerospace ind. and judging from past projects didn't become popular until the early 60s (possibly late 50s), that and linoleum. :timebomb:

No, it all came from the saucer wreckage they found at Roswell. Velcro too.

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« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2018, 02:52:13 pm »
Rusty scissors" that's funny (Jenn cackles)....Although I haven't looked into it, My guess the history of the zip tie originated during the war, for the aerospace ind. and judging from past projects didn't become popular until the early 60s (possibly late 50s), that and linoleum. :timebomb:

No, it all came from the saucer wreckage they found at Roswell. Velcro too.
I can see now your going to need a hobby or something....And apparently a new cable zip tie gun >:D
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« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2018, 04:32:56 pm »
I went out to the shop to look at the 'expensive' and under-utilized tools...   
I have plenty - but I large portion of them are because of 'collecting'.  Woodworking planes to be specific..
I may be the only guy with enough clamps..  I have some in packaging I've never used.

Amazon shows the Eastwood ziptie gun ~$50  - it looked to be the best price/performance..  Although the $200 model was very much loved.
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« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2018, 05:01:12 pm »
Planes are one of those "Don't touch that" tools I remember, don't really hear about anyone using them much anymore, :-\ Seems the better ones were made from cherry wood If I remember....That Eastwood gun has reviews all over the map, so much so I would almost have to believe the good reviews, because they most likely understand how to set it up correctly, rather than just write a bad review, And historically speaking Eastwood was a reputable company going all the way back to the sears catalog days. 

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« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2018, 05:21:04 pm »
Speaking of "classic tools" I got one of these https://www.garrettwade.com/mini-yankee-push-screwdriver.html?merchPageType=product&merchPageId=69P01.01.GP&merchArea=crosssell&merchPos=3and OMG....It doesn't have that special ball chuck thing that old Yankee one did, this is all modernized for using regular strait shank/and hex bits, Although again not real practical in this cordless drill world, but it does have a really small chuck footprint for getting up close and personal to a cab side for a nice strait pilot hole....Highly recommended for tool nerds.
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« Reply #53 on: May 30, 2018, 06:06:10 am »
Yankee screwdriver.. Now that is a tool nut!  I could never bring myself to get one of them. 

I did break out my seldom used Router Plane (not my image)

to help clean up the recess for my trackball mounting plate.  I had to make it about 2 paper thicknesses deeper..



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« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2018, 07:05:26 am »
No, it all came from the saucer wreckage they found at Roswell. Velcro too.

False.  Only marble and lightning contact paper came from the Roswell saucer wreckage.

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« Reply #55 on: May 30, 2018, 07:10:21 am »
Ahh the Yankee screwdriver!!

I often wonder who put more holes in themselves:

Me with a drill driver or My grandfather with a Yankee.

I suspect probably my grandad!

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« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2018, 12:16:21 pm »
OH, how I loved that old screwdriver, Jenn must have been around 5, sitting next to dad all important and drilling her board. anyone with kids should consider getting one of those.... That little router plane is sooooo cute!  :P, A modern plunge router probably outclassing it in the real world, but I could see myself secretly using that late in the night.

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« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2018, 12:57:08 pm »
I have a 2ft version of the yankee push,  not that new school stuff either, but an old school wooden handle version,  Really must find where that has gone to,  I used to use it quite a lot for ikea furniture,  pop a straight allen key in there tighten up the holder like a power drill does and away you go.   Also have an old hand drill which has seen plenty of use. Sometimes a power drill is just too much power.

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« Reply #58 on: May 30, 2018, 01:11:12 pm »
Those old ones probably work better given there age, heavily used the criss cross tracks are worn a bit and it wouldn't be as sticky as a new one....I haven't used a electric drill (or cordless tools) for like EVER, Jenn bought a pneumatic drill and it is so awesome, it goes slow, it goes fast, it doesn't get hot, in fact after heavy use it gets cold, really cold like a frozen hands kinda thing....only drawback is the neighbors are probably thinking I am building a airplane or something in my all night factory.

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« Reply #59 on: May 30, 2018, 03:03:18 pm »
I have a 2ft version of the yankee push,  not that new school stuff either, but an old school wooden handle version,  Really must find where that has gone to,  I used to use it quite a lot for ikea furniture,  pop a straight allen key in there tighten up the holder like a power drill does and away you go.   Also have an old hand drill which has seen plenty of use. Sometimes a power drill is just too much power.
Those old hand drills were quite a investment in quality back in the day (pre war depression) Not that I am that old, but they still work as designed. I would think few around here have even seen one.

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« Reply #60 on: May 30, 2018, 09:16:22 pm »
No, it all came from the saucer wreckage they found at Roswell. Velcro too.

False.  Only marble and lightning contact paper came from the Roswell saucer wreckage.

I serious think that marble was a gift to the Egyptians from ancient alien astronauts.
You people really need to listen to that guy with the fancy hairdo on "Ancient Astronauts". He's a scientist so you know hes got to be right.

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« Reply #61 on: June 01, 2018, 10:57:00 am »



So did Jennifer end up investing in her new tool?

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« Reply #62 on: June 01, 2018, 10:59:13 am »
She needs to save money for Zapcon 2019.

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« Reply #63 on: June 01, 2018, 11:14:24 am »
She needs to save money for Zapcon 2019.

I agree, Iíd love to have Jennifer as a guest.
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« Reply #64 on: June 01, 2018, 12:33:02 pm »
Hopefully ile be at Zapcon 2019 with my new wife in tow....


Fingers crossed anyways and I can meet some of you reprobates lol

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« Reply #65 on: June 01, 2018, 12:37:22 pm »
Hopefully ile be at Zapcon 2019 with my new wife in tow....


Fingers crossed anyways and I can meet some of you reprobates lol

Yeah man, I want to see you there!!!
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« Reply #66 on: June 01, 2018, 12:38:48 pm »
Sweet. let's ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- can this hopefully garbage. Commit. :applaud:

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« Reply #67 on: June 01, 2018, 12:39:18 pm »
Hopefully ile be at Zapcon 2019 with my new wife in tow....


Fingers crossed anyways and I can meet some of you reprobates lol

Yeah man, I want to see you there!!!

Me to man me to....

Wife to be has just cost me nearly £600 on entertainment!

Ile be posting about that in the near future no doubt.... lol

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« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2018, 12:41:24 pm »

Wife to be has just cost me nearly £600 on entertainment!



Strippers?

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« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2018, 12:42:09 pm »

Wife to be has just cost me nearly £600 on entertainment!



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« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2018, 12:49:55 pm »
Mikeís a very generous guy and would probably be more than happy to let you share a room with him. And donít worry, the authorities let him leave the state, so I donít think the charges stuck.

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« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2018, 12:53:16 pm »
I booked a suite anticipating that someone would need a room, but nobody took the bait, er I mean offer.

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« Reply #72 on: June 01, 2018, 02:11:38 pm »
I booked a suite anticipating that someone would need a room, but nobody took the bait, er I mean offer.

Maybe you should have offered a bag of brightly colored arcade buttons.

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« Reply #73 on: June 01, 2018, 02:48:19 pm »
my 2 cents, when I was installing car audio professionally in the 90's, I used a LOT of zip ties.  Thousand packs only lasted a week or two.  One day the snap-on truck (or maybe Mac or Matco) showed up with this zip tie gun.  I got excited, right up until I found you still have to manually start the zip tie, and then it was just an expensive tool that could be replaced with a side cutter I already had. 

I still have scars from zip tie cuts from back then, and fresher scars from zip ties in network racks.  I have at least 6 fairly fresh ones on my arms right now, it's just a fact of life when you work around wires.

Funny thing is, I can take the time to get all wires organized with velcro straps in a rack, but sooner or later a zip tie ends up in there for some reason, and if it is there, I will cut myself on it, pretty much guaranteed.

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« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2018, 08:16:34 pm »
Zip tie chainsaw massacre?, Oh yes Jenn bought 2 of them and actually tried a third one, They are awesome and will do a real review when I can,.. Heres a fun pic for you guys, More rarely used tools, Those that know what your looking at I am impressed ;), For the rest of us, its a vectorscope (I had 5 of these, blew one up, parted one out, and still have 3) It was used to match standardized color signals at tv studios and movies, before it got transmitted. Jenn matches the squares up to calibrate  RGB on  arcade monitors after work as to use a baseline for reds, greens and blues, People that say they can do it by feel lie....I do NOT recommend this unless you are really retentive about color, there is NO information available as to its use (that Jenn can find) and required lots of experimentation.
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« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2018, 09:24:58 pm »
Reminds me of two things:
- Deathstar plans
- The off the air signal on TV when I was a kid..  Did they just transmit a calibration signal?  Thats my guess
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« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2018, 09:41:17 pm »
That's a good guess, that was called a Flyspot and used on B/W monitors so consumers could evaluate there own screens back when the we're less than solid state.
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« Reply #77 on: June 02, 2018, 02:00:42 am »
Zip tie chainsaw massacre?, Oh yes Jenn bought 2 of them and actually tried a third one, They are awesome and will do a real review when I can,.. Heres a fun pic for you guys, More rarely used tools, Those that know what your looking at I am impressed ;), For the rest of us, its a vectorscope (I had 5 of these, blew one up, parted one out, and still have 3) It was used to match standardized color signals at tv studios and movies, before it got transmitted. Jenn matches the squares up to calibrate  RGB on  arcade monitors after work as to use a baseline for reds, greens and blues, People that say they can do it by feel lie....I do NOT recommend this unless you are really retentive about color, there is NO information available as to its use (that Jenn can find) and required lots of experimentation.

Game of Tempest anyone?? Lol

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« Reply #78 on: June 02, 2018, 04:47:30 pm »
Heres a fun one for the Military guys around here, Bet You haven't seen one of theses in a awhile....For the rest of us its a tube tester, Jenn uses it for checking pre war Jukebox tubes, If your into old machines Highly recommended.
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« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2018, 10:46:47 am »
I pulled the trigger (pun intended)


It will be here Friday.
Because I'm wiring my CP and I want it to look good  :P

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« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2018, 11:10:51 am »

A zip tie gun is only for expedience if you have to zip tie a million times a day.

Cancel the order and save yourself some money.

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« Reply #81 on: June 13, 2018, 11:22:05 am »
Jennifer never even saw that one in my search and it does have a nice look of function to it, and can't imagine it doesn't do was advertised as, Certainly couldent hurt anything in terms of a quality build....Would love to hear your opinions on it.

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« Reply #82 on: June 13, 2018, 11:28:47 am »

A zip tie gun is only for expedience if you have to zip tie a million times a day.

Cancel the order and save yourself some money.

oh c'mon Mike A - it's only $25..  I promise I will skip going out to dinner once    ;D
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« Reply #83 on: June 13, 2018, 11:38:52 am »
I can't see blowing 25 bucks on a tool that will see very limited use. Unless that tool is necessary to accomplish the task at hand. A T molding slot cutter for example.



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« Reply #84 on: June 13, 2018, 11:51:27 am »
I can't see blowing 25 bucks on a tool that will see very limited use. Unless that tool is necessary to accomplish the task at hand. A T molding slot cutter for example.
Tools cant be used over a lifetime, They are not just a one time deal, Even something that might see very limited use has certain value just knowing it was done right.... I tried a few myself now and Jennifer will do a high end review.

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« Reply #85 on: June 13, 2018, 01:13:24 pm »
I was hoping for some lower end reviews so everyone could try these if they wished without hardship... But here we go, Jenn tried 3 zip guns (used) and seems the only real problem I could foresee would be the blades might wear out over time although that wasn't the case in this review, the first one not pictured was a friends  http://www.emisupply.com/catalog/tyrap-erg50-nylon-tyrap-cable-ties-1850lbs-p-7844.html#.WyFLwJUo5Yc and was quite excited to try it because it had a 360 deg rotating head thought any position right? Well it only grabbed the tie on one side so you almost had to rely on that feature to use it but NICE gun I would not be ashamed to spend the money.... The 2 I have are shown the Panduit on the right is a older model but they both worked very nice and little difference between them, My first thought they were smaller than I thought they would be but both tensioned and cut like a dream, and could grab the tie on either side. however they both cost about the same (around 200.00us) new. Jennifer would recommend either one..... That blue AMP Well that not a zip tie gun its a IDC connector gun the handle and die were around 300.00 but quite cool You stick a connector in there, shove a wire in there and pull the trigger it seats the wire and clicks the connector over 1 position for the next wire, Highly recommended if your into IDCs. 8) ...I hope this helps anyone on the fence over this, I do believe they serve a genuine purpose in terms of consistent tensions and clean cuts. 
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #86 on: June 13, 2018, 11:09:55 pm »
I have to admit that I have 2 zip tie guns... (I didn't buy either of them)
In my past I used to build radio station studios and do network wiring. The guns definitely were useful as getting the tension right was important.  Especially useful when doing wiring under desks and in other tight places. Nowadays they make wiring inside cabinets easier. 

The red one is a no-name, unlabeled unit and the gray one is a Panduit GS2B.  Both work nicely but the Panduit feels better, works smoother and is my go-to gun if I am using a lot of ties. I would not buy the Panduit new but with eBay prices for used ones as low as $25 it's not a steep investment especially if you like tools.  These can make wiring go faster once you develop a system and I like that they retain the end of the tie and it doesn't go flying when cut.  Definitely useful but certainly not a necessity.

I've had the Panduit gun for about 30 years. Haven't had to replace a blade. Never thought about selling either one but I have hoarding issues. eBay cheapies are $12 shipped from China. Someone should review one.  For those who have to have the best you can go for one of the pneumatic ones for about $1000

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« Reply #87 on: June 13, 2018, 11:43:52 pm »
The "tensioning" of zip ties seems ridiculous to me. Zip ties are stepped... It's tightened up to each step, no in between "tensioning"...

On a side note... Anybody want to buy some wire tie twisters for your bread loafs?
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« Reply #88 on: June 14, 2018, 12:58:39 am »
I have to admit that I have 2 zip tie guns... (I didn't buy either of them)
In my past I used to build radio station studios and do network wiring. The guns definitely were useful as getting the tension right was important.  Especially useful when doing wiring under desks and in other tight places. Nowadays they make wiring inside cabinets easier. 

The red one is a no-name, unlabeled unit and the gray one is a Panduit GS2B.  Both work nicely but the Panduit feels better, works smoother and is my go-to gun if I am using a lot of ties. I would not buy the Panduit new but with eBay prices for used ones as low as $25 it's not a steep investment especially if you like tools.  These can make wiring go faster once you develop a system and I like that they retain the end of the tie and it doesn't go flying when cut.  Definitely useful but certainly not a necessity.

I've had the Panduit gun for about 30 years. Haven't had to replace a blade. Never thought about selling either one but I have hoarding issues. eBay cheapies are $12 shipped from China. Someone should review one.  For those who have to have the best you can go for one of the pneumatic ones for about $1000
Omg, PL1 almost sold me on that pneumatic one with that Pac factory video, so glad I didn't buy it but who knows Sometimes I think Jenn Sleep shops ::)

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #89 on: June 14, 2018, 01:27:38 am »
The "tensioning" of zip ties seems ridiculous to me. Zip ties are stepped... It's tightened up to each step, no in between "tensioning"...

On a side note... Anybody want to buy some wire tie twisters for your bread loafs?
I think what your missing is a wire is rarely strait, its got the shape of the spool it came off, well put multiple together and suddenly your pulling on a mess at least until the tie realizes where it is supposed to be.

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« Reply #90 on: June 14, 2018, 01:42:51 am »
The "tensioning" of zip ties seems ridiculous to me. Zip ties are stepped... It's tightened up to each step, no in between "tensioning"...

On a side note... Anybody want to buy some wire tie twisters for your bread loafs?
I think what your missing is a wire is rarely strait, its got the shape of the spool it came off, well put multiple together and suddenly your pulling on a mess at least until the tie realizes where it is supposed to be.

Get the fuq outta here...





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« Reply #91 on: June 14, 2018, 07:39:16 am »

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« Reply #92 on: June 14, 2018, 08:04:00 am »
yea...  that is some serious work to do that..  very nice.
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« Reply #93 on: June 14, 2018, 08:18:55 am »
Get the fuq outta here...

Thats borderline pornographic
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« Reply #94 on: June 14, 2018, 08:23:33 am »
Sure it looks good, but are all of those ties correctly tensioned? If even one of those is incorrectly tensioned you could be in for catastrophic failure in 1 to 2 thousand years.

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« Reply #95 on: June 14, 2018, 08:26:59 am »
just on that 1 black wire.
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« Reply #96 on: June 14, 2018, 10:41:32 am »
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The "tensioning" of zip ties seems ridiculous to me. Zip ties are stepped... It's tightened up to each step, no in between "tensioning"...

Think of a cable tie as a belt with holes it's stepped but can be over tightened so your guts are all squished up and uncomfortable.

Tension is not a huge deal on arcade stuff but if you ever had to track down a fault on premise wiring because some ape decided to crank down on a wire tie and destroyed a wire you begin to appreciate proper bundling of cables.  Connectivity and speed issues on networks, frequency response problems on audio stuff, doesn't happen often, but when it does, it sucks.   I guess it's a big enough issue that velcro ties are now the recommended thing to use in many industries. 

Bottom line - you don't need a zip tie gun. But some of us like toys (all of us like games) and tools. I think people might laugh as us debating a $12 tool when they see all the other stuff we drop big bucks on.  I just bought one of these to try - an open source CNC router! Do I need it? Hell no, but it's cool.

I'll post a review on it when I get it up and running.

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« Reply #97 on: June 14, 2018, 10:45:12 am »
I just bought one of these to try - an open source CNC router! Do I need it? Hell no, but it's cool.

Lot cooler than a zip tie gun.
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« Reply #98 on: June 14, 2018, 11:18:34 am »
Say what you want, I was skeptical too, But as far as coolness factor goes its a really low bar and hard to not find that deliberate action of rightness appealing,   My only regrets are Jenn didn't buy one years ago,.... @ Gearhead/ That Panduit You have there was actually one of my considerations, apparently its a really nice gun and was considered gold standard for its day, nice to know the blade will last forever ;D

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« Reply #99 on: June 14, 2018, 11:30:32 am »
As far as cool, yet ridiculous tools go... This one seems to be very useful in this hobby...
https://youtu.be/tybSqw3sPhE
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« Reply #100 on: June 14, 2018, 11:49:44 am »
   In this hobby yes I would have to agree,...A multitool like that is something Jenn has always been skeptical of anyway, Save time looking for tools I get that But say that the stripper dosnt work quite as well as it should so now you need another tool just to use your fancy dandy anyway. I do like tools however ...*Fun story, Earlier this week the old guy down the road was having a rummage sale and he sat  there day after day in the hot sun, and nobody would even stop at his little pathetic table, so Jenn cleaned out her toolbox and donated stuff now at least he has some customers, Now apparently the neighbors like me and Jenn isn't just the crazy lady chasing kids off the lawn with her broom.

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« Reply #101 on: June 14, 2018, 12:08:00 pm »
Jenn. The crazy lady. She chases kids with a broom. She also has tools.
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« Reply #102 on: June 14, 2018, 12:52:46 pm »
 Well yes, put like that whatever ::).... But in my defense that kid is freaky, its like that Shining kid, just shows up out of nowhere, and stares at me with some vacant stupid look on his face.

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« Reply #103 on: June 14, 2018, 12:57:15 pm »
You probably get that look because you just got done saying something crazy.

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« Reply #104 on: June 14, 2018, 01:03:34 pm »
   You might think... But no, Its more like he sneaks up behind me and just stands in the middle of the yard staring at me while he is pooping his pants or something,

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« Reply #105 on: June 14, 2018, 01:11:29 pm »
That is disturbing.


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« Reply #106 on: June 14, 2018, 01:23:20 pm »
   I know right, Its not just me, The only thing I can think that fast is swish my broom at him, It actually amazes me he doesn't think Jenn Is A wicked witch or something and never come back out of fear and daring his friends to step on my lawn, perhaps hes not just that smart to be frightened who knows....Well anyway the other neighbors seem to like me now although Now I have to pretend I am not home so I don't get sucked into some social convention like a picnic or something.

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« Reply #107 on: June 14, 2018, 01:30:47 pm »
try shooting him with a paintball gun.  It worked on the bum begging for money at the intersection near my house.
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« Reply #108 on: June 14, 2018, 01:33:53 pm »
OMG that's funny :laugh2: .... That just "Makes my day".

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« Reply #109 on: June 14, 2018, 03:27:40 pm »
try shooting him with a paintball gun.  It worked on the bum begging for money at the intersection near my house.

This happened.


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« Reply #110 on: June 14, 2018, 06:04:50 pm »
try shooting him with a paintball gun.  It worked on the bum begging for money at the intersection near my house.

This happened.

Like we need convincing that Malenko would do such a thing.

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« Reply #111 on: June 15, 2018, 08:03:49 am »
I didn't do it, I didn't even see it happen. I heard about it and saw paintball dots all over the intersection (road and signage). So the story checked out for me based on the fact I haven't seen that bum since. Guy may have just shaved and cut off his white people dreads and is begging elsewhere, who knows.

That being said, I'd pop a pan handler with a paintball gun. I don't deny that.
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« Reply #112 on: June 15, 2018, 09:26:29 am »
Good lord, CNC machines are down to $350?  Going to be cheaper to buy the tools needed to cut your own Weecade versus paying someone to do it for you soon.


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« Reply #113 on: June 15, 2018, 01:15:44 pm »
Good lord, CNC machines are down to $350?  Going to be cheaper to buy the tools needed to cut your own Weecade versus paying someone to do it for you soon.
I not so sure Jenn would be clever enough to use one, Although I do have a large plot cutter which is along the same principal I would imagine (and wasn't that cheap)....Cutting wood on CNC to me (in theory anyway)seems as It would require a large dedicated space, and need constant attention not just buy one to rip off a few nice cuts out behind the barn. A jointer even a small one like mine (4" Rockwell) would be a better investment (IMO),  However it is a ugly dangerous machine, and it too requires constant Love.

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« Reply #114 on: June 15, 2018, 02:23:18 pm »
My $25 zip tie gun review..

It took me 3 zip ties to get the hang of it..



The tail of the tie gets slid sideways a tiny bit by the way the slot is designed.  But I think you have to keep you finger there anyway to hold it in place.
Once you do that - it creates a nice clean flush cut.

I'm going to ziptie the crap out of my cabinet once I'm 100% done.. maybe..  :)
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« Reply #115 on: June 15, 2018, 02:37:39 pm »
My $25 zip tie gun review..

It took me 3 zip ties to get the hang of it..



The tail of the tie gets slid sideways a tiny bit by the way the slot is designed.  But I think you have to keep you finger there anyway to hold it in place.
Once you do that - it creates a nice clean flush cut.

I'm going to ziptie the crap out of my cabinet once I'm 100% done.. maybe..  :)

Thatís what I did when I got mine. :-)
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« Reply #116 on: June 15, 2018, 04:16:18 pm »
My $25 zip tie gun review..

It took me 3 zip ties to get the hang of it..



The tail of the tie gets slid sideways a tiny bit by the way the slot is designed.  But I think you have to keep you finger there anyway to hold it in place.
Once you do that - it creates a nice clean flush cut.

I'm going to ziptie the crap out of my cabinet once I'm 100% done.. maybe..  :)
OMG, now I am all jealous, 25.00 is something everyone can afford, AND IT WORKS!, Thanks for the review.... I wouldn't use too many zip ties on your project however, that's just showing off. :-\

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« Reply #117 on: July 05, 2018, 04:13:53 pm »
**UPDATE** The zipper gun is fun!, I find Jenn gets a bit carried away and uses too many ties however, and has to hold back as to not be wasteful/ impractical (recommended for tool nerds)..... But today its crimpers I am thinking, I have had many over the years and some are expensive, some are cheap, and most just suck in terms of quality, My new crimping  test victim http://www.engineer.jp/en/products/pa09e.html   again affordable to all, but it pros/cons according to reviews being it only does 1 crimp at a time, which makes me think it potentially stresses the pin bending it twice, and it doesn't ratchet, or made in the US obviously, My attraction being it is considerably thinner in design than the removable quick change jaw types (Not a fan) and could be considered more user friendly in manipulating a crimp pin. .... Anyway its in the mail and we will check this out.
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« Reply #118 on: July 10, 2018, 05:35:21 pm »
**UPDATE** The zipper gun is fun!, I find Jenn gets a bit carried away and uses too many ties however, and has to hold back as to not be wasteful/ impractical (recommended for tool nerds)..... But today its crimpers I am thinking, I have had many over the years and some are expensive, some are cheap, and most just suck in terms of quality, My new crimping  test victim http://www.engineer.jp/en/products/pa09e.html   again affordable to all, but it pros/cons according to reviews being it only does 1 crimp at a time, which makes me think it potentially stresses the pin bending it twice, and it doesn't ratchet, or made in the US obviously, My attraction being it is considerably thinner in design than the removable quick change jaw types (Not a fan) and could be considered more user friendly in manipulating a crimp pin. .... Anyway its in the mail and we will check this out.

I have those for small pins. Love it. I used it to make around 100 some harnesses for 7" LCDs for KLOV members back in the day. Haven't used it since though.

These are my go-to crimpers: https://www.amazon.com/Tool-Aid-18930-Ratcheting-Weatherpack/dp/B000K1CFXO
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« Reply #119 on: July 10, 2018, 10:35:16 pm »
Not sure you will like the stamped metal crimper - the little pins are difficult to crimp once - never mind twice.

I used this one for my well over 100 pins for Dupont connectors.


It has a small side and fat side to accommodate the pin and the insulator on the wire.
Overall its pretty good - I've seem many that are nearly identical to this.

Here are the crimps:


There is a very slight difference between the two.
The red one I crimped once.
The green one I crimped as usual - then I opened the crimper - pushed the wire in another 1/16" and gave it a 1/2 crimp to compress the insulator better.

What was happening is that the connector would go most of the way in and get stuck at the bulge where the pin grips the wire.. 
The extra little crimp compressed the insulator and bulge enough to make it go into the Dupont connector easily..
I figured this out after fighting to get wires in for a 30-40 wires.



If I were designing my own - I'd make the wire insulator side of the jaw twice as wide so I could do this in one crimp..
Maybe I should patent that  ;)


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« Reply #120 on: July 11, 2018, 03:32:17 am »
Both of those crimpers have 5 things in common, The are affordable to everyone, and the jaws are bolted solid in place not a quick change thing, and judging by bperkins01 pics it does do a nice crimp even with the insulator shortcomings, (Which could be overlooked as long as one was aware of the problem)  interestingly enough I was thinking go thinner, and you go wishing for wider.... They both have deliberate ratcheting action, they both look comfortable for long hours of a many crimp project and they both do both crimps at once. , At that price point jenn would have to wonder about die quality, in long term, Molex for example have different grades ,universal, service, and professional (however that not really a fair comparison here given we could spend like 1500.00us on a 3 crimper set) just some curious thoughts about differences in the dies.

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« Reply #121 on: July 11, 2018, 12:10:17 pm »
My dies have held up just fine. No signs of excessive wear after many thousands of crimps. I use die HT-236-2C4-DIE for smaller-than-normal sized molex terminal pins, such as the ones used in the Micro-fit family of connectors. I'm impressed with both the die set that came with my crimpers as well as the extra die set I ordered for Micro-fit connectors.

Edit: Looks like that die set is up to $12. I paid $7 for it, but that was 7 or 8 years ago.
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« Reply #122 on: July 12, 2018, 02:55:19 am »
 I had a thought, Buying a crimper is quite complicated (especially your first one) look at any vender you choose and OMG! page after page of more questions then answers, finally ending in sticker shock at the prospect of quality application tooling. And most I would suppose kinda just slink away at this point not ever buying one at all, and if they do its not as easy as it looks and resorts back to a skill based opinioned review.  I myself have had many and had some favorites (but wont be reviewed given the obsolete nature of part numbers) Jenn is looking to upgrade from the 20th century....After reading the reviews, I got a bit confused , your ringing endorsement Neph, floats above the negative and has me curious...**its in the mail for our little down and dirty test ;)

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« Reply #123 on: July 12, 2018, 10:24:46 am »
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« Reply #124 on: August 20, 2018, 06:14:55 pm »
I had intentions of doing a crimper review (and sorry to those waiting), But while conducting the test Jenn had a thought... Crimping is not so cut and dry, there is a definitive linearity to such a skill and the crimper good or bad could be an convinient place to place blame....I will say however, the crimpers forementioned in this thread ARE quite functional and worth their salt.

  
 

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