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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2018, 11:10:51 am »

A zip tie gun is only for expedience if you have to zip tie a million times a day.

Cancel the order and save yourself some money.

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« Reply #81 on: June 13, 2018, 11:22:05 am »
Jennifer never even saw that one in my search and it does have a nice look of function to it, and can't imagine it doesn't do was advertised as, Certainly couldent hurt anything in terms of a quality build....Would love to hear your opinions on it.

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #82 on: June 13, 2018, 11:28:47 am »

A zip tie gun is only for expedience if you have to zip tie a million times a day.

Cancel the order and save yourself some money.

oh c'mon Mike A - it's only $25..  I promise I will skip going out to dinner once    ;D
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #83 on: June 13, 2018, 11:38:52 am »
I can't see blowing 25 bucks on a tool that will see very limited use. Unless that tool is necessary to accomplish the task at hand. A T molding slot cutter for example.



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« Reply #84 on: June 13, 2018, 11:51:27 am »
I can't see blowing 25 bucks on a tool that will see very limited use. Unless that tool is necessary to accomplish the task at hand. A T molding slot cutter for example.
Tools cant be used over a lifetime, They are not just a one time deal, Even something that might see very limited use has certain value just knowing it was done right.... I tried a few myself now and Jennifer will do a high end review.

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #85 on: June 13, 2018, 01:13:24 pm »
I was hoping for some lower end reviews so everyone could try these if they wished without hardship... But here we go, Jenn tried 3 zip guns (used) and seems the only real problem I could foresee would be the blades might wear out over time although that wasn't the case in this review, the first one not pictured was a friends  http://www.emisupply.com/catalog/tyrap-erg50-nylon-tyrap-cable-ties-1850lbs-p-7844.html#.WyFLwJUo5Yc and was quite excited to try it because it had a 360 deg rotating head thought any position right? Well it only grabbed the tie on one side so you almost had to rely on that feature to use it but NICE gun I would not be ashamed to spend the money.... The 2 I have are shown the Panduit on the right is a older model but they both worked very nice and little difference between them, My first thought they were smaller than I thought they would be but both tensioned and cut like a dream, and could grab the tie on either side. however they both cost about the same (around 200.00us) new. Jennifer would recommend either one..... That blue AMP Well that not a zip tie gun its a IDC connector gun the handle and die were around 300.00 but quite cool You stick a connector in there, shove a wire in there and pull the trigger it seats the wire and clicks the connector over 1 position for the next wire, Highly recommended if your into IDCs. 8) ...I hope this helps anyone on the fence over this, I do believe they serve a genuine purpose in terms of consistent tensions and clean cuts. 
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #86 on: June 13, 2018, 11:09:55 pm »
I have to admit that I have 2 zip tie guns... (I didn't buy either of them)
In my past I used to build radio station studios and do network wiring. The guns definitely were useful as getting the tension right was important.  Especially useful when doing wiring under desks and in other tight places. Nowadays they make wiring inside cabinets easier. 

The red one is a no-name, unlabeled unit and the gray one is a Panduit GS2B.  Both work nicely but the Panduit feels better, works smoother and is my go-to gun if I am using a lot of ties. I would not buy the Panduit new but with eBay prices for used ones as low as $25 it's not a steep investment especially if you like tools.  These can make wiring go faster once you develop a system and I like that they retain the end of the tie and it doesn't go flying when cut.  Definitely useful but certainly not a necessity.

I've had the Panduit gun for about 30 years. Haven't had to replace a blade. Never thought about selling either one but I have hoarding issues. eBay cheapies are $12 shipped from China. Someone should review one.  For those who have to have the best you can go for one of the pneumatic ones for about $1000

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #87 on: June 13, 2018, 11:43:52 pm »
The "tensioning" of zip ties seems ridiculous to me. Zip ties are stepped... It's tightened up to each step, no in between "tensioning"...

On a side note... Anybody want to buy some wire tie twisters for your bread loafs?
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #88 on: June 14, 2018, 12:58:39 am »
I have to admit that I have 2 zip tie guns... (I didn't buy either of them)
In my past I used to build radio station studios and do network wiring. The guns definitely were useful as getting the tension right was important.  Especially useful when doing wiring under desks and in other tight places. Nowadays they make wiring inside cabinets easier. 

The red one is a no-name, unlabeled unit and the gray one is a Panduit GS2B.  Both work nicely but the Panduit feels better, works smoother and is my go-to gun if I am using a lot of ties. I would not buy the Panduit new but with eBay prices for used ones as low as $25 it's not a steep investment especially if you like tools.  These can make wiring go faster once you develop a system and I like that they retain the end of the tie and it doesn't go flying when cut.  Definitely useful but certainly not a necessity.

I've had the Panduit gun for about 30 years. Haven't had to replace a blade. Never thought about selling either one but I have hoarding issues. eBay cheapies are $12 shipped from China. Someone should review one.  For those who have to have the best you can go for one of the pneumatic ones for about $1000
Omg, PL1 almost sold me on that pneumatic one with that Pac factory video, so glad I didn't buy it but who knows Sometimes I think Jenn Sleep shops ::)

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #89 on: June 14, 2018, 01:27:38 am »
The "tensioning" of zip ties seems ridiculous to me. Zip ties are stepped... It's tightened up to each step, no in between "tensioning"...

On a side note... Anybody want to buy some wire tie twisters for your bread loafs?
I think what your missing is a wire is rarely strait, its got the shape of the spool it came off, well put multiple together and suddenly your pulling on a mess at least until the tie realizes where it is supposed to be.

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #90 on: June 14, 2018, 01:42:51 am »
The "tensioning" of zip ties seems ridiculous to me. Zip ties are stepped... It's tightened up to each step, no in between "tensioning"...

On a side note... Anybody want to buy some wire tie twisters for your bread loafs?
I think what your missing is a wire is rarely strait, its got the shape of the spool it came off, well put multiple together and suddenly your pulling on a mess at least until the tie realizes where it is supposed to be.

Get the fuq outta here...





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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #91 on: June 14, 2018, 07:39:16 am »

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« Reply #92 on: June 14, 2018, 08:04:00 am »
yea...  that is some serious work to do that..  very nice.
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #93 on: June 14, 2018, 08:18:55 am »
Get the fuq outta here...

Thats borderline pornographic
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #94 on: June 14, 2018, 08:23:33 am »
Sure it looks good, but are all of those ties correctly tensioned? If even one of those is incorrectly tensioned you could be in for catastrophic failure in 1 to 2 thousand years.

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #95 on: June 14, 2018, 08:26:59 am »
just on that 1 black wire.
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #96 on: June 14, 2018, 10:41:32 am »
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The "tensioning" of zip ties seems ridiculous to me. Zip ties are stepped... It's tightened up to each step, no in between "tensioning"...

Think of a cable tie as a belt with holes it's stepped but can be over tightened so your guts are all squished up and uncomfortable.

Tension is not a huge deal on arcade stuff but if you ever had to track down a fault on premise wiring because some ape decided to crank down on a wire tie and destroyed a wire you begin to appreciate proper bundling of cables.  Connectivity and speed issues on networks, frequency response problems on audio stuff, doesn't happen often, but when it does, it sucks.   I guess it's a big enough issue that velcro ties are now the recommended thing to use in many industries. 

Bottom line - you don't need a zip tie gun. But some of us like toys (all of us like games) and tools. I think people might laugh as us debating a $12 tool when they see all the other stuff we drop big bucks on.  I just bought one of these to try - an open source CNC router! Do I need it? Hell no, but it's cool.

I'll post a review on it when I get it up and running.

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« Reply #97 on: June 14, 2018, 10:45:12 am »
I just bought one of these to try - an open source CNC router! Do I need it? Hell no, but it's cool.

Lot cooler than a zip tie gun.
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« Reply #98 on: June 14, 2018, 11:18:34 am »
Say what you want, I was skeptical too, But as far as coolness factor goes its a really low bar and hard to not find that deliberate action of rightness appealing,   My only regrets are Jenn didn't buy one years ago,.... @ Gearhead/ That Panduit You have there was actually one of my considerations, apparently its a really nice gun and was considered gold standard for its day, nice to know the blade will last forever ;D

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« Reply #99 on: June 14, 2018, 11:30:32 am »
As far as cool, yet ridiculous tools go... This one seems to be very useful in this hobby...
https://youtu.be/tybSqw3sPhE
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« Reply #100 on: June 14, 2018, 11:49:44 am »
   In this hobby yes I would have to agree,...A multitool like that is something Jenn has always been skeptical of anyway, Save time looking for tools I get that But say that the stripper dosnt work quite as well as it should so now you need another tool just to use your fancy dandy anyway. I do like tools however ...*Fun story, Earlier this week the old guy down the road was having a rummage sale and he sat  there day after day in the hot sun, and nobody would even stop at his little pathetic table, so Jenn cleaned out her toolbox and donated stuff now at least he has some customers, Now apparently the neighbors like me and Jenn isn't just the crazy lady chasing kids off the lawn with her broom.

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #101 on: June 14, 2018, 12:08:00 pm »
Jenn. The crazy lady. She chases kids with a broom. She also has tools.
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« Reply #102 on: June 14, 2018, 12:52:46 pm »
 Well yes, put like that whatever ::).... But in my defense that kid is freaky, its like that Shining kid, just shows up out of nowhere, and stares at me with some vacant stupid look on his face.

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« Reply #103 on: June 14, 2018, 12:57:15 pm »
You probably get that look because you just got done saying something crazy.

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« Reply #104 on: June 14, 2018, 01:03:34 pm »
   You might think... But no, Its more like he sneaks up behind me and just stands in the middle of the yard staring at me while he is pooping his pants or something,

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« Reply #105 on: June 14, 2018, 01:11:29 pm »
That is disturbing.


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« Reply #106 on: June 14, 2018, 01:23:20 pm »
   I know right, Its not just me, The only thing I can think that fast is swish my broom at him, It actually amazes me he doesn't think Jenn Is A wicked witch or something and never come back out of fear and daring his friends to step on my lawn, perhaps hes not just that smart to be frightened who knows....Well anyway the other neighbors seem to like me now although Now I have to pretend I am not home so I don't get sucked into some social convention like a picnic or something.

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« Reply #107 on: June 14, 2018, 01:30:47 pm »
try shooting him with a paintball gun.  It worked on the bum begging for money at the intersection near my house.
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« Reply #108 on: June 14, 2018, 01:33:53 pm »
OMG that's funny :laugh2: .... That just "Makes my day".

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« Reply #109 on: June 14, 2018, 03:27:40 pm »
try shooting him with a paintball gun.  It worked on the bum begging for money at the intersection near my house.

This happened.


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« Reply #110 on: June 14, 2018, 06:04:50 pm »
try shooting him with a paintball gun.  It worked on the bum begging for money at the intersection near my house.

This happened.

Like we need convincing that Malenko would do such a thing.

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« Reply #111 on: June 15, 2018, 08:03:49 am »
I didn't do it, I didn't even see it happen. I heard about it and saw paintball dots all over the intersection (road and signage). So the story checked out for me based on the fact I haven't seen that bum since. Guy may have just shaved and cut off his white people dreads and is begging elsewhere, who knows.

That being said, I'd pop a pan handler with a paintball gun. I don't deny that.
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« Reply #112 on: June 15, 2018, 09:26:29 am »
Good lord, CNC machines are down to $350?  Going to be cheaper to buy the tools needed to cut your own Weecade versus paying someone to do it for you soon.


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« Reply #113 on: June 15, 2018, 01:15:44 pm »
Good lord, CNC machines are down to $350?  Going to be cheaper to buy the tools needed to cut your own Weecade versus paying someone to do it for you soon.
I not so sure Jenn would be clever enough to use one, Although I do have a large plot cutter which is along the same principal I would imagine (and wasn't that cheap)....Cutting wood on CNC to me (in theory anyway)seems as It would require a large dedicated space, and need constant attention not just buy one to rip off a few nice cuts out behind the barn. A jointer even a small one like mine (4" Rockwell) would be a better investment (IMO),  However it is a ugly dangerous machine, and it too requires constant Love.

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« Reply #114 on: June 15, 2018, 02:23:18 pm »
My $25 zip tie gun review..

It took me 3 zip ties to get the hang of it..



The tail of the tie gets slid sideways a tiny bit by the way the slot is designed.  But I think you have to keep you finger there anyway to hold it in place.
Once you do that - it creates a nice clean flush cut.

I'm going to ziptie the crap out of my cabinet once I'm 100% done.. maybe..  :)
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #115 on: June 15, 2018, 02:37:39 pm »
My $25 zip tie gun review..

It took me 3 zip ties to get the hang of it..



The tail of the tie gets slid sideways a tiny bit by the way the slot is designed.  But I think you have to keep you finger there anyway to hold it in place.
Once you do that - it creates a nice clean flush cut.

I'm going to ziptie the crap out of my cabinet once I'm 100% done.. maybe..  :)

Thatís what I did when I got mine. :-)
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« Reply #116 on: June 15, 2018, 04:16:18 pm »
My $25 zip tie gun review..

It took me 3 zip ties to get the hang of it..



The tail of the tie gets slid sideways a tiny bit by the way the slot is designed.  But I think you have to keep you finger there anyway to hold it in place.
Once you do that - it creates a nice clean flush cut.

I'm going to ziptie the crap out of my cabinet once I'm 100% done.. maybe..  :)
OMG, now I am all jealous, 25.00 is something everyone can afford, AND IT WORKS!, Thanks for the review.... I wouldn't use too many zip ties on your project however, that's just showing off. :-\

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« Reply #117 on: July 05, 2018, 04:13:53 pm »
**UPDATE** The zipper gun is fun!, I find Jenn gets a bit carried away and uses too many ties however, and has to hold back as to not be wasteful/ impractical (recommended for tool nerds)..... But today its crimpers I am thinking, I have had many over the years and some are expensive, some are cheap, and most just suck in terms of quality, My new crimping  test victim http://www.engineer.jp/en/products/pa09e.html   again affordable to all, but it pros/cons according to reviews being it only does 1 crimp at a time, which makes me think it potentially stresses the pin bending it twice, and it doesn't ratchet, or made in the US obviously, My attraction being it is considerably thinner in design than the removable quick change jaw types (Not a fan) and could be considered more user friendly in manipulating a crimp pin. .... Anyway its in the mail and we will check this out.
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« Reply #118 on: July 10, 2018, 05:35:21 pm »
**UPDATE** The zipper gun is fun!, I find Jenn gets a bit carried away and uses too many ties however, and has to hold back as to not be wasteful/ impractical (recommended for tool nerds)..... But today its crimpers I am thinking, I have had many over the years and some are expensive, some are cheap, and most just suck in terms of quality, My new crimping  test victim http://www.engineer.jp/en/products/pa09e.html   again affordable to all, but it pros/cons according to reviews being it only does 1 crimp at a time, which makes me think it potentially stresses the pin bending it twice, and it doesn't ratchet, or made in the US obviously, My attraction being it is considerably thinner in design than the removable quick change jaw types (Not a fan) and could be considered more user friendly in manipulating a crimp pin. .... Anyway its in the mail and we will check this out.

I have those for small pins. Love it. I used it to make around 100 some harnesses for 7" LCDs for KLOV members back in the day. Haven't used it since though.

These are my go-to crimpers: https://www.amazon.com/Tool-Aid-18930-Ratcheting-Weatherpack/dp/B000K1CFXO
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« Reply #119 on: July 10, 2018, 10:35:16 pm »
Not sure you will like the stamped metal crimper - the little pins are difficult to crimp once - never mind twice.

I used this one for my well over 100 pins for Dupont connectors.


It has a small side and fat side to accommodate the pin and the insulator on the wire.
Overall its pretty good - I've seem many that are nearly identical to this.

Here are the crimps:


There is a very slight difference between the two.
The red one I crimped once.
The green one I crimped as usual - then I opened the crimper - pushed the wire in another 1/16" and gave it a 1/2 crimp to compress the insulator better.

What was happening is that the connector would go most of the way in and get stuck at the bulge where the pin grips the wire.. 
The extra little crimp compressed the insulator and bulge enough to make it go into the Dupont connector easily..
I figured this out after fighting to get wires in for a 30-40 wires.



If I were designing my own - I'd make the wire insulator side of the jaw twice as wide so I could do this in one crimp..
Maybe I should patent that  ;)


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