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Jennifer needs opininions
« on: May 24, 2018, 01:27:59 pm »
I am currently upgrading my workbench a bit and not really sure if a $200.00 (us) zip tie gun could be considered practical.  I would use it, but the only advantage I could see would be consistent tension and a clean non sharp cut, and the ability to poke it into difficult places....This one has about the best reviews I could find. Any opinions?
« Last Edit: May 25, 2018, 03:12:05 am by jennifer »

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2018, 02:01:49 pm »
if you can swing it, get it.
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2018, 02:18:06 pm »
If you rebuild and rewire a lot of harnesses, and I suspect you do, then go for it.
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2018, 02:23:24 pm »
Well that's 2 for yes  8).... It should be pointed out I guess, Jenn  isn't all like some eccentric lottery winner or something. I just like quality tools, The H/f model only has 1 1/2 stars out of almost 300 reviews.

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2018, 05:54:58 pm »
Personally I believe in having the correct tools for the job and also quality tools.
They are after all my bread and butter (bearing in mind my job)

However I think the question you have to ask is do I need it?
If the answer is yes buy it.
If the answer is no then dont lol

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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2018, 06:29:54 pm »
I would have a really hard time believing  anyone would ever really need one, especially since you need to put the tie on manually first anyway before you cinch and cut it, However most factory workers most likely had one, so to duplicate the precise flush cut....That's 3 for yes :P

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2018, 07:33:34 pm »
I would have a really hard time believing  anyone would ever really need one, especially since you need to put the tie on manually first anyway before you cinch and cut it, However most factory workers most likely had one, so to duplicate the precise flush cut....That's 3 for yes :P

Well I use hundreds of ties and work in a factory yet have never used or felt the need for one lol

For harnesses etc ide prefer spiraband or race way tbh lol

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2018, 07:58:41 pm »
If you really want to go crazy, why not get the auto-feeding kind shown at 0:50 in this video.   >:D

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The $8 Harbor Freight zip-tie gun leaves a sharp 1/8" tab so that piece-of-crap is a poor choice.

Between HF and Panduit, there are some mid-range options like this $43 gun.   ;D

It has lots of good reviews.
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I was really pleased with the quality of this gun. With the ties I have been using, it has been cutting them nearly flush and without a sharp edge.

The gun has a nice solid feel to it. Nothing seems flimsy and nothing is rattling.

I used to have an much more expensive Panduit gun and I feel like this is performing on the same level.


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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2018, 08:01:40 pm »
opininions = opinions + onions  :lol

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2018, 09:31:48 pm »
I would start a list of tools that aren't worth buying new and search it once a week to see if a used one pops up for a fraction of the cost of a new one.
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2018, 01:52:15 am »
One obvious question (I have no clue on your background or what you do) but would you actually use it enough to justify spending $200 on this? Like, do you sit there and rewire harnesses for a few hours every day? Or do you do it for 20 minutes once a month?

I have owned many different types of tools over many years, and one thing about tools is that there is no replacement for the RIGHT tool for the job. But in the case of something like a zip tie gun, because it's easy to manually do a few zip ties every now and then, it only makes sense to buy an expensive gun for it if your number of zip ties you are doing is greater than X per month.
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2018, 02:44:58 am »
One obvious question (I have no clue on your background or what you do) but would you actually use it enough to justify spending $200 on this? Like, do you sit there and rewire harnesses for a few hours every day? Or do you do it for 20 minutes once a month?

I have owned many different types of tools over many years, and one thing about tools is that there is no replacement for the RIGHT tool for the job. But in the case of something like a zip tie gun, because it's easy to manually do a few zip ties every now and then, it only makes sense to buy an expensive gun for it if your number of zip ties you are doing is greater than X per month.
The answer to that is no, Jenn wouldn't pull the trigger 50,000 times a year for what its rated, most likely not even close to that in a lifetime, (usually I only buy a couple hundred ties a year) But that aside, I have always left them loose with a tail in hopes the sharp cut wont slice someone (me) digging around in there or a wire compromising insulation. Bottom line it feels sloppy, and I feel there must be a more comprehensive solution, The high(er) end may not be it according to the posts here, (THX guys) But quality over quantity to me is paramount.....That Ms pac video is almost a dream , not a wasted motion by anyone all working together like a refined machine of efficiency.

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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2018, 03:46:37 am »
After much thought and opinions Jenn has made a choice, I will use everyone's ideas as one good idea.... (I removed the link as not to give false hopes to the vender) But if anyone was interested in that it was The Panduit GTS-E series....Malenco and Yots , for talking me into this
                                                   T/gamer and Jbud.... For quality and questioning the "need"
                                                   Opt2not.... For the onions on my dinner noodles, :-\
                                                    PL1....For lower end options W/reviews and giving me factory floor flashback nightmares
                                                   And P/oliver for cost options.... This one was hard, and Had to use this idea on termination tooling (normally Jenn doesn't buy used) but Oh my good deals ;)
Cost seemed to be the biggest concern, So I decided to try find a cheaper one with no reviews but between Pl1s 50.00, And panduits 200, That way it still could be considered affordable quality, for everyone. Jenn will do a review on it for you guys should you want one/or not  https://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/wire-tie-guns-and-accessories/75420?mpart=1212609&vendor=277 ....Thx everyone ;D
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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2018, 04:02:08 am »
If that tool doesn't trim as flush as you like, you can use either flush wire cutters or small end nippers to remove the remaining sharp tail.

 


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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2018, 05:29:15 am »
Jenn I think you have probably made the right choice.

I know what you mean about the want to not cut yaself up on the ties, My arms are covered in cuts and scars from this exact thing! Infact I skinned a large section on the back of my thumb just last night :(

Anywho I digress, You cant change what others do but for your own wiring options you have options!

So personally for wireing harnesses I personally like spira band.
Its cheap as chips to buy and looks really nice, Downside is that its slow to install and a pain in the butt to pull cables in or out/trace cables.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Metre-Cable-Tidy-Kit-PC-TV-Wire-Organising-Wrap-Tool-Spiral-Office-Home/122714804493?epid=2254727580&hash=item1c925f510d:m:mPA1JUiSiAvfbKG_BJETqAw

You can also use split conduits like this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Black-spiral-conduit-tube-pipe-split-non-split-cable-wire-tidy-6-5mm-23mm/282317172757?hash=item41bb6a3015:m:mQNjqJIyqE0XfQi4LS0VWXg

The other option if you have the room is race way trunking like this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stageek-Cable-Management-Kit-Open-Slot-On-WallWiring-Raceway-Duct-with-Cover-TVs/132633436293?epid=22019777266&hash=item1ee191a085:g:zxsAAOSwHPNbBUol

Lots of options for neat and tidy pain free cable management :)

Cable ties are for amateurs ;) LOL

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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2018, 07:31:52 am »
I LOVE buying tools - but $200 for an item like that may be a bit much.  I personally consider harbor Freight only for single use tools.  Everything after that is a bonus..
Now  If they made a $50 version as suggested.. I'd put that on my list  :P
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2018, 07:46:22 am »
Jennifer the route I always go is lowest price with the highest rating.  I have been bit in the ass too many times buying the most expensive version thinking that it will be best and it turns out to be garbage.  To me $200 seems too high for what the tool actually does.  If its not gold plated I would try to find something in a lower price range.

To me something seems suspicious also when a quick amazon search brings up only one gun that is in that price range and all the others are posted for half the price and below...

+1 for buying but not at that price.

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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2018, 09:10:34 am »
PM me your PayPal Jenn , I'll gladly chip in to mitigate the cost a little.
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2018, 10:09:25 am »
PM me your PayPal Jenn , I'll gladly chip in to mitigate the cost a little.
  Oh aren't you guys just fun too me, over something as seemingly unimportant a lowly zip tie non-the less. However like most things I would suppose there are design differences that would make some better and some not so much. (for example the cheaper ones seem to use a thumb wheel thing that looks kinda slow and difficult to use, especially if a girl was to use many different size ties at any given time) one would think you would have to mess with the tension that could be slow and obviously would defeat the purpose  .... Thanks Malenco, That is a nice gesture on your part, However this isn't a money thing for me (Id go all pneumatic pac factory if left to my own thoughts) This was more about the practicality of such a tool in a resto/Mame world.

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Re: Jennifer needs opininions
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2018, 11:25:17 am »
I bought this from Bob Roberts years ago for $8:

http://therealbobroberts.net/cabletool.html

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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2018, 01:50:41 pm »
   Ah, so you do have one, And only guessing its not the "must have cat meow" tool that some might think ::) It does have a nice look to it however even at that price, doesn't look like a hold up weapon from some 1930s bank robbery....I have been research binging on this till my brains melt, And got curious about that industrial tooling at the pac factory, Seems those ( or modern pneumatic equivalents ) could be had in the 900-1300 dollar range. on the low side. https://www.cabletiesandmore.com/american/catalog/avery-dennison-pneumatic-cable-tool-p-2024.php
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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2018, 05:12:09 pm »
I would start a list of tools that aren't worth buying new and search it once a week to see if a used one pops up for a fraction of the cost of a new one.
   Sitting here about to pull the trigger (so to speak, giggle) And Jenn thought to do 1 last search.... And BINGO,  I got 2 of them, for a C note!!!.... 1 Panduit GTS (apparently lightly used), And an EVO7 (With some light scratches).... OH,HAPPY DAY, DANCE,DANCE. :droid  :droid

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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2018, 05:42:42 pm »
I canít imagine ever needing this tool.....

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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2018, 06:23:21 pm »
   (Where were we? 3/1?).. I thought that too, especially on a video game board almost seems kinda silly....But apparently not only cable ties not all created equally, but there are actually MIL specs and standards on the other end of that (aerospace  and such), That and every opinion in this thread has more about cost effective approaches that the unnecessary aspect (So far anyway).... Thx again Everyone   ;D

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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2018, 08:08:03 pm »
Son, I donít understand a word you just said.

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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2018, 09:53:39 pm »
Son, I donít understand a word you just said.
Well Nancy, Let me simple it down for you then....AWESOME!!! 8)....EXICTING  :droid....FUN!!! :bump
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« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2018, 07:35:39 am »
Jumping on the band wagon a little late here but, if I had to use the thing everyday or it would greatly help me on my output then yes, I would buy it.
But if I only needed it for my hobby, and it would sit in my toolbox for months at a time, nah.
You can also try using finger nail clippers to cut the tie. They do a pretty decent job, just cant get into some places.

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« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2018, 08:27:57 am »
hmm..  I may need one when doing my CP...  I do love a good new tool...
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« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2018, 02:40:02 pm »
hmm..  I may need one when doing my CP...  I do love a good new tool...
I wouldn't think too hard about this tool, Either do it or not, if you start in Like Jenn you wont sleep for days ;).... I am still (so far) thinking its not a necessary thing, especially for some startup box, The money certainly could be used better elsewhere. But good tooling lasts virtually forever and could be justified over a lifetime if taken care of.

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« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2018, 02:57:38 pm »
Jumping on the band wagon a little late here but, if I had to use the thing everyday or it would greatly help me on my output then yes, I would buy it.
But if I only needed it for my hobby, and it would sit in my toolbox for months at a time, nah.
You can also try using finger nail clippers to cut the tie. They do a pretty decent job, just cant get into some places.
  I have tools that Get used Like once a decade (Military tube tester, and that convergence scope come to mind) ....But knowing Its there gets me into projects that some may pass on.

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« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2018, 04:04:03 pm »
**Jennifer lights a Lucky and contemplates....  In fact do we really need anything? Most workbenches are littered with piles of tools that are rarely used, Fiberglass/plastic screwdrivers and the like, needed for only one specific purpose but necessary to do the job correctly. My shop for example is no exception, The workbench is reminiscent of a old Television repair shop outdated in itself by the analog nature of CRT"s and assorted equipment. (**Fun story, I have 3 color vector scopes ;))... But it doesn't end there, out the back door, and your into fabrication equipment, planners, millers, Jointers and the like, again outdated to some in the CNC world, And lets not forget the screen-printing room, this industry hasn't changed much over the years, with the possible exception of Led exposures, and digital image programs but still necessary?....Paint also a fun subject, but does one really need a fully functional paint booth to do it? probably not but it sure makes life easier .....It should be mentioned, Jennier Downsized a few years back, and is a bit more "consumer grade" in todays purchases, and no longer does her own platting (long story) but still do we ever need ANY of it?
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« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2018, 04:13:49 pm »
No. But keep enjoying that consumerism.
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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2018, 04:22:17 pm »
No. But keep enjoying that consumerism.
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« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2018, 04:46:22 pm »
No. But keep enjoying that consumerism.
  Jenn laughs,  I would like to think we all do.... Those who like tools, also know they make money. ;D

Don't go confusing capitalism with consumerism. And you will NEVER make $200 back from a zip tie cutter. EVER.
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« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2018, 05:03:47 pm »
Possibly not....But It does make one wonder why they (multiple companies) bother to even offer them then. One could look at it like this.... You buy 10k in tools (and a zip tie gun) And do something that pays back the tools, that zip tie gun gets paid back by say a set of craftsman sockets, and a air ratchet, but the overall quality of the product is better because of the attention to EVERY detail, Including the tension on the cable ties.(Not to mention its production benefit capabilities)... To build one game I agree, but to do dozens at a time, or even over a lifetime I wouldn't be so sure.
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« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2018, 07:50:00 pm »
One could look at it like this.... You buy 10k in tools (and a zip tie gun) And do something that pays back the tools, that zip tie gun gets paid back by say a set of craftsman sockets, and a air ratchet...

No. There is a reason why mechanics are poor. And tool debt is a LARGE portion of it. And that's a mechanic, grinding 8+ hours a day with his tools getting multiple cars out of the shop. $200 for "zip tie tensioners" is some of the dumbest ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- I've heard, and I own many Snap-On tools, so there ya go...
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« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2018, 08:32:20 pm »
All right Don't need a piano to fall on my head,... 3 yes, 2 no...*Edit, If  D/O/Man is saying no too, that's 3/3
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« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2018, 09:15:05 pm »
So we are back to practical or not, this guy makes a good case for yes, should anyone be interested.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA8c9TP0ax8....But Jenn only cares for others around here that think it would be fun to play with one at any cost, (but most likely lower end yet practical as far as usefulness)....If any of you guys got a different (not so popular) tool on your workbench Jennifer would love to see it please. :P

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« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2018, 07:34:52 am »
So we are back to practical or not, this guy makes a good case for yes, should anyone be interested.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA8c9TP0ax8....But Jenn only cares for others around here that think it would be fun to play with one at any cost, (but most likely lower end yet practical as far as usefulness)....If any of you guys got a different (not so popular) tool on your workbench Jennifer would love to see it please. :P


Alas I cant show you my not so popular but functional tool or I would get banned LOL

But again I take you back to wrap ;)





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« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2018, 08:12:03 am »
All right Don't need a piano to fall on my head,... 3 yes, 2 no...*Edit, If  D/O/Man is saying no too, that's 3/3

I watched the video you linked to, and I have to say this is what we used at my job (Electrician in an aluminum rolling mill).
(I say used because I retired from that job April 1 of this year.)

These things are very nice. The company bought all the tools, so I had no idea what they cost, I figured under a hundred but IDK, never priced them.
If you can afford this tool, I guess my answer would be yes.
If you really dont have a large tool budget, and this thing wont be used very often, id say No.

Now, my solid answer?
(Flipping coin).
Since you seem intent on getting this, and it seems you would use it more than I would (in my personal work), I have to give you a yes.

Go out young Jenn, spend like no tomorrow and ride with the wind! :)
(You only live once and you really cant take it with you anyway.)

  
 

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