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The Kiosk, My journey to a jukebox.
« on: February 28, 2012, 02:05:26 pm »
Firstly hello and thanks to everyone who bothers reading through my following build thread. As you may guess from my nickname my name is Nick. Do you like what I did there?. And  before you ask, no I am not a Dr  ::) What follows is something I typed away with the intention of never doing anything with.  Instead It is reproduced here for some entertainment value.

Here I am as an innocent little child with very little experience in life. 



Well 32 Years later and here I am again, a little more world weary and quite possibly a little tanked. (Was on holiday with my wife in Jamaica for our 10th wedding anniversary)



Still chubby cheeked though  ;)

I apologise now for the quality of the pics, they have been resized and generally messed about with due to issues with Imageshack.  I then found out I could just upload them here  :banghead:

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Re: The Kiosk, My journey to a jukebox.
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 02:08:38 pm »
Going to split this up a little bit or am just going to get a few TLDR responses  ::)

Fast forward a few more years to September 2011, I was presented with an opportunity that I couldn't turn down. I was offered some Old Touchscreen Kiosks at work, 1 of them is a Pressed stainless steel unit and the other 2  a mix of metal and wood. I came to the conclusion that I would take 1 of them and turn it into a jukebox of some kind and if that went well then I would turn another of them into a Jukebox and the last into some kind of mame machine.  (That will be for another thread though).

Well I picked up the Kiosk as shown below.  The first thing I did was to rip out the old computer which was completely dead then gave the monitor a test to find that it wouldn't power up, Checked out the monitors PSU and it was dead, checked the voltage it used 12V 5A,  Great I located an old 12V 4A PSU laying around and 1 chop of the cable and 1 chocolate block later Voila, 1 working Monitor.





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Re: The Kiosk, My journey to a jukebox.
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 02:09:44 pm »
The keyboard built into the kiosk is advertised as indestructible.  I can easily believe that statement. It was a bit gummed up with some sticky liquid, but a good clean out with some alcohol and an air compressor along with some elbow grease and all buttons work again.



There is still the odd sticky key but nothing too bad.  I did drop the bottom off the keyboard part to see about taking it all apart and found about 15 bolts and no easy way to take the unit out. Man these things really are built tough. Oh well the trackball works well. The lack of Left button mouse press and various other buttons on the keyboard was annoying me so I connected up an old wireless Logitech set. 

My original plan was to use a laptop that had a broken screen for this project, unfortunately after I installed Windows 7 the Output seemed to just give up and it refused to display from VGA, I couldn't even get into the Bios screen anymore. (Threw it back on the scrap pile for another day).

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Re: The Kiosk, My journey to a jukebox.
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 02:10:59 pm »
That weekend I headed off to my local Bootsale and there was a guy selling a small motorbike amp claiming to be 500W for £5, I buy this.



Then I see another guy selling Sound activated CCFL's, (I think they are 12” But have never actually measured them :) He was asking £2 each or 3 for £5  (I managed to get 5 for £5) Get them home and test them out.  The amp sounds OK but nothing fantastic I obviously know that the 500w claimed is absolute twaddle but on doing some reading up I find out that the amp is actually more like 6W Per channel and actually designed for anything up to 24V.  I find an 18V adapter capable of supplying about 4 amps which works OK and it sounds better but still not good enough.  I test it with an old sub box I have kicking about and it works well with that so off it goes to add some Bass to my Bedroom Stereo :)

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Re: The Kiosk, My journey to a jukebox.
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 02:12:42 pm »
Well I had an old Athlon PC that had been gathering dust in the spare room for a few years. I set about removing it from the case it was in.  I took a piece of Marine Ply I had to hand and cut this down to fit within the unit.
 
I got some Plastic stand-offs for the motherboard to sit on and drilled holes to locate them. It all fits quite nice and tight and the board isn't going anywhere with 1/2” of Stand-off  inserted into the wood with a bit of glue.

I decided to mount the hard drives in the original drive bay as ripped out of the original case, Its an ugly solution but it does work.



I placed the board back into kiosk and powered up.  Yay there's life.  At this point I Removed all the components and setup upstairs where I could comfortably work on the software side of things.
I decided to go with windows XP as I am also going to use this for touchscreen games as well and I figure I would go with XP as I know it best.

At this point the machine just ups and stops working. All it does is just beep and flash a  red light at me. I get worried as my screwdriver had slipped whilst I was mounting the board and I am now worried I damaged a trace or something. I check the error code and find that this indicates a problem with the PSU.  Damn, I presume I upset something removing it from the casing and drilling holes in bottom to mount it to the board. I end up having to resort to using the only spare I have that will fit the board.  Its way too big and caused me to change my mounting method. Cable Ties and angle brackets make sure that it's not going anywhere any time soon. (Not pretty, but it is functional). 


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Re: The Kiosk, My journey to a jukebox.
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2012, 02:13:44 pm »
I now turn my attention back to the PC and sound,  the onboard soundcard is rubbish it has no options for 5.1 or 7.1 so having hunted around in the box of computer junk found a soundblaster Live (Dell OEM Model). In that goes and then comes the fun of finding working drivers.

I can safely say that Creative suck when it comes to OEM products. I finally get it all running and sound is now working. 

First I tested it out with a couple of pairs of speakers laying around the house. Yuck, sound was not good. I popped onto Fleabay for a cheap 2.1/5.1 system that is fairly compact. (There isn't much room inside the kiosk for speakers).  I Find a Wharfedale 2.1 system for £15 including delivery, I figure they cant be that bad. I mean the Diamond 9's and Modus cubes I have or have owned are superb speakers. But boy was I wrong, they sound like turd. Oh well I may use them if I do convert the other Kiosk into a mame system, but for music, they suck Even after changing the speakers for half decent ones the amp had less oomph then the one I had already decided against using . Oh well they can be used for connecting my Ipod to.  Back to the drawing board.

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2012, 02:14:49 pm »
I then get down to the tiresome work and start tagging all my music.  Oh boy was my music collection in a bad way.  Eventually after about 6 weeks I get it down to 1200 Albums, 22000 Tracks all of which has the correct artwork and correct artists etc.  I think there are only about 12 albums which are tagged as Various Artists – Track 01.mp3 etc.  (I just couldn't be asked to manually enter the album details as they are not on FreeDB or Amazon or any other automated Tagging service.)

One lunchtime I  pop into my local Cash Converters (Pawn shop) and there was a set of Logitech X530's for £24 or a set of Z506's for about £49  I had a quick look online both were around the same sort of power so I decided to go with the 530's (I'm trying to build this thing on the cheap you know).




I Finalise the software testing and am fairly happy with results. So I start working out what I want to complete this Project (In the end it turned out to mainly be a bunch of HSS Drill Bits & a new 24V cordless Drill).

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Re: The Kiosk, My journey to a jukebox.
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2012, 02:17:50 pm »
I start by working out how to mount the speakers to the kiosk.  I do a couple of drawings having created some sort of wooden base that would sit under the kiosk with the speakers and sub in there.  Nothing seemed to be ideal though so I thought about mounting the speakers directly. 

Looking at the recesses on the sides I figure I can use some cut down angle brackets.  Because of the way they mount I can change the angle of the speakers up and down and they also allow the speakers to rotate left or right owing to the screw in the base (Unfortunately because the base is mounted at an angle rather then flush they look odd when this is done, I may ultimately File them level and remount them but currently want to keep them stock in case I want to put them back in original stands).

I find myself a small but good drill bit and start the job of drilling holes to mount the brackets.  I drill these first 2 holes standing up as if drilling into a wall. I do this very badly and the speakers do not line up, not even close to level. Oh well this is not too much of an issue, I figure I can use these holes for the speaker wire or some other wire.



I drill 2 new holes (Measured 4 Times and drilled once)  I had also learned by now that drilling was much easier when unit was laying down on it's side and I was drilling straight down.  I can safely say that there was a bit of hairy moment when the drill went through the first time as I wasn't sure where the monitor was in relation to the drill bit. 

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Re: The Kiosk, My journey to a jukebox.
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2012, 02:19:20 pm »
I mounted the left/right speakers and then got 2 Angle Brackets which I mounted on the back of the monitor housing and bent back down to flush (I should have drilled the holes about 3mm lower but I can live with the result). I Drilled 2 holes in the base of speaker stand and mounted with nuts/bolts.



Anyone remember The Black Hole.  Or possibly its a long lost relative of Wall-e (Juke-E Anyone?)

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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2012, 02:21:28 pm »
Another weekend comes around and back I  went to the Bootsale. The guy with the CCFL's was back. Yay, I basically bought up the rest of his sound activated CCFL's and also got 4 x 50CM CCFL's without sound modules 2 Yellow and 2 Red, I figure these can be mounted in the recesses at the back and sides. (See those incorrectly positioned holes are going to come in handy.)

I also grab a pair of Green Lit LED Fans and some Alienware style Fan Covers,  These I plan on mounting at the bottom of the door on the unit. Luckily the fans fit with about 2mm clearance. I also grab a soundblaster live 24 5.1 Digital edition soundcard. All of this came to about £20

I get back home and drill additional holes in the back of the casing for some Extension Wires from the Audio Outputs, The biggest Hss I could fit in my drill was only just big enough. (I really must get a step Bit, Oh well the joys of Hind-sight)  I Set up speakers, Power up and here we go, 1 fully working Jukebox.  I put in the new soundcard and guess what, Oh yes its an OEM Model and cannot find drivers that work properly.  (Arrrrggggghhhh  I really need to control the sub output as even on lowest setting the sub just overpowers other sound). I give up and put the old soundcard back in.

I then set about mounting the CCFL's around the sides and the back.  I used some self adhesive Cable tie Holders and some small cable ties. I ran the cables back through the holes (Couldn't find any small gromits so cut a bit of sleeve from some old power cable and pop them through this to avoid chaffing on the sharp edge of the metal (Lesson learned whilst doing extension cables for audio). I placed the fan covers at the bottom of the door and marked the inside gaps and corner holes.  I then painstakingly drilled out every other hole to allow air and light through the door. Fitted fans, tested and was happy with the results (Although 1 hole for the right fan was too far across and showed after cover was put on).

   




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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2012, 02:22:19 pm »
I then decided that rather then stressing out the existing 350W PSU  that getting another psu for all the lights the fans the monitor and whatever else needs power would be best. Luckily I had the perfect unit for this from when one of my external hard drives failed and I created a franken-psu for it. I popped this into the bottom of the kiosk and connected all the cables up. Yes its a freaking mess.


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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2012, 02:30:47 pm »
Another weekend comes around and its back to the bootsale, lets see what bargains I can pick up today.  Oh yes today was a good day for bargains,  I see this pair of speakers on some stands, they look quite nice so I decide to have a good nose at them.  Yep 1 Pair of Kef Celeste IV speakers complete with stands, (Look for them online and find they are about 20Yrs old).  I check them out and the cones look good, They need a good clean and could probably do with some new material.  The guy selling them is looking for £25, I get him down to £17.  I hand over the cash and carry them away. Boy them things are heavy when you carry 2 of them.  I continue round and at the very last stall there are a pair of  bookshelf speakers with a price tag of £2 on them. I Pick them up to check them out,  Mission 760I speakers.  Oh boy is today my lucky day.  I offer him £1 as one of the cones has had some little finger poke a dent into it.  I get them home and connect them up to my POS Bedroom stereo (The Kef's sound beautiful,  I try some rap, I try some classical, Oh boy, it all sounds so good.  I grab a CD off the shelf, throw that in and spend the rest of the day in musical bliss).  I test out the Missions, they work well But lack bass. As for the dent,  I tried a few tricks with a straw and even a hoover to try and get the dent out, I managed to reduce the size, but cannot get rid of it totally (Any Ideas anyone,  I have heard of trying a bit of hot wax and a needle head, drop wax on, push head of pin into wax, wait till dry and then pull, but I don't really want to do that).  I then decide that my stereo is not really adequately powered for these speakers (And I don't want to damage anything).



So I pop back down to Cash convertors and pick up a Kenwood Amp with 5 channels @ 80W per channel. Cost £20 (No remote).   It makes a world of difference to the sound from the speakers.  Anyway having now fulfilled the Baby Audiophile within I get back to the design of the system.

I dry mount the Sound activated lights around the front, eventually deciding on a pattern of 2 Vertical units on the left 2 on the right and 3 horizontally at the bottom.  I haven't put any above the monitor as I want to get a sign designed and then cut which I can mount above the monitor. Once again I used self adhesive cable tie holders and cable ties. This also has the added benefit of raising the bars slightly. (If anyone can think of a better way of mounting these then please let me know)




Let there be light :)

I cant get the outer casing from around the monitor off as it has been screwed in with about 30 screws and then spot welded. (And boy would I like to get that casing off so I can clean behind the touchscreen glass, it looks like it had some sort of liquid get behind it).


What is that? I think it might be Coca Cola  :dunno


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Re: The Kiosk, My journey to a jukebox.
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2012, 02:34:04 pm »
For the software I went with Jukebox Arcade as it was free & did what I wanted it to with minimum amount of fuss.  I also have Media Monkey, J-river, E-touch, and various other Media Player/Jukebox software installed.  If I find one of these works better then I will undoubtedly change software.  



As an aside I am also using this unit as a touchscreen Games device.  I installed SimpleTouch FE and “Cough Cough” found a bunch of games that it could play. (PM Me if you have queries on them).   I have hit a small snag here though, although in the test/configuration of the software all of these games work fine. If I launch them from the actual front end I seem to get some kind of randomness happen where it picks a completely different game.  (I have re-downloaded the software but have yet to install and test). If anyone knows what may be causing this please let me know.




Weird error with SimpleTouch FE


As you see, I press the option for Pimp my Ride and get Blockbusters instead.  If I go into the config for the software and test it the right game loads,
but as soon as selected from within the front end proper. Meh, odd.

Jukebox in action




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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2012, 02:48:03 pm »
So this is the stage that my Jukebox is currently at,  It is mostly complete, I still need to cut the wires to the front mounted lights and extend them/re-route them so that they aren't so obtrusive, I guess I will drill some holes for these cables to go into then mount the power boxes on the back of the case. I currently have these power boxes stuck to the side of the unit with some hook/loop tape which keeps on failing to hold to the metal.

"Damn you Gravity, your just too strong for the weak assed glue on these strips"

Ultimately the above may be completely abandoned and I may replace the ccfls with some led strips and a controller as it removes a whole bunch of issues and I would be happy with drilling a few small holes into the front for the led wires to come through.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-10A-MUSIC-SOUND-CONTROLLER-RGB-LED-STRIP-LIGHTS-/270899518388?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Lighting_Lamps_Lighting_SM&hash=item3f12de9bb4

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-2M-SMD-RGB-LED-STRIP-LIGHT-COLOUR-CHANGING-SUPPLY-/290545139999?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Lighting_Lamps_Lighting_SM&hash=item43a5d7011f


Also to do,  Get a work colleague to Build a back panel with 3 x Audio out so 6 x Phono and 3 x Headphone Socket, This so I can select the Logitech speakers or the Surround Amplifier (I am currently using a Headphone Splitter and some converters) HDMI Socket To go to 32” Samsung LCD which will ultimately hang above the Kiosk. And a few USB Sockets (For wireless dongle and Additional HDD/USB Devices)

One final thing is with regards the Grounding of the device.  Normally all components would ground to the case of the PC, obviously in this instance I don't have a case other then the actual kiosk. (Pc is mounted to Plastic Stand-offs.  I figured that I should run some earth cable from various points on the boards to the psu and also to the kiosk itself.  You can see them in the motherboard image somewhere up above. They go back to the big earth point in the bottom right of the kiosk.

Now the problem there is that intermittently it figures I am a better route to earth then the earth lead/psu and I get that lovely tingle that tells me ground is not good.  I don't get it all the time and I don't get any kind of background hum from the speakers either.  Should I just take 1 Earth cable from the board back to the PSU and do away with the ground from PSU to Kiosk?  Should I run a completely separate earth for the Kiosk itself and if so to what should it go, I don’t have any earthing points in the house nearby.

Overall I am fairly happy with how this entire project turned out.  Especially as it cost less then £150 all in to complete and it produces some lovely sound.

PC – Free from existing pile
CCFL's and fans etc. £25
Wharfedale 2.1 £15 
Motorbike Amp £5
Kef Celeste IV Speakers £17
Mission 760I Speakers £1
Kenwood Amp £20
Logitech speakers £24
Drill Bits etc.  £30

As for the other 2 Kiosks.  I have interest from people at work who are impressed with this one. I thought they were just being nice as I am not overly impressed, but I am not embarrassed by it either.  Now Mountains Jukebox, that impresses me.

I may as well convert the other kiosks although I am still tempted to turn one into a Mame unit,  I have a lovely 21” 4:3 LCD which would fit quite nicely.  Unfortunately due to the narrow width of the unit 2 player 6 buttons will be a bit tight. (55CM across)  I may go with 1 Player 6 Buttons and keep the inbuilt trackball somehow :-)

Here's a quick peek at what the other kiosk looks like, Sans Monitor.


(Turns out its some sort of crazy plastic rather then metal, and the wood was just a false front, hmm gonna be interesting modifying screen insert).

As a final sign off, look at what we are disposing of at work.



Yep that's about 60TB of super speedy 128GB Drives (not pictured is the beastly server that was running these things) and they are just awaiting destruction and I can't have them  :hissy: :hissy: :hissy:

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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2012, 04:16:54 pm »
Cool project.  I really like the minimalist look with the kiosk as is.  I might have to start hunting to see if I can find something similar.  Can't wait to see what you do with it, i'm still looking for ideas for Juke #3 =)

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Re: The Kiosk, My journey to a jukebox.
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2012, 06:30:55 pm »
good project , as far as tagging music ( and ive tagged a lot now lol the hard and easy way)

use media monkey mate , its a little confusing at times but when you figure out how you want to set up the tag its so easy

i usually tag in sections , A B C etc

i keep two folders for my music now , one called albums and one called albums yet to tag

for my album covers i just use google images , very rarely fails to pick up a album cover but you must open the thumbnail to full size before copying it

if you need any tips using media monkey i can help you out there just post

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« Reply #16 on: February 29, 2012, 03:10:35 am »
Yep, Media Monkey was the software I ended up using to do it all. 

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Re: The Kiosk, My journey to a jukebox.
« Reply #17 on: February 29, 2012, 06:49:03 am »
I used Tag & Rename.  Is Media Monkey better?

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« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2012, 07:54:54 am »
I couldn't necessarily say it is better, but it is relatively easy to use :) I would download the free version and give it a go.  I quite like the ease of changing tags on a selection of items at the same time.  To be honest the search engine for trackdetails could possibly use some work & it would be nice if you could manually select which track goes where in multi CD collections (It uses information from amazon for tracks/artists etc which has some limitations). For example if you have a 3 CD compilation album rather then being able to select the tracks for CD1, CD2 etc. it shows them as track 1 through 50.  Now obviously your CDs will be track 1-16 or so on each CD. This meant that to deal with that I would put the CD Number in, then I would change the track number to include the CD number.  Thus track 3 on CD 1 would be 103 and track 3 on CD 3 would become 303. Then when you used the Autotag facility it would in theory fill in the information correctly. (Although I still had 1 or 2 albums where it ended up jumbling all the tracks).

Personally I would say that if you know tag and rename quite well you may be better sticking with it, but if you are just hunting around and playing with all the different tag/rename software available then its worth a pop.

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Re: The Kiosk, My journey to a jukebox.
« Reply #19 on: February 29, 2012, 10:22:50 pm »
I used Tag & Rename.  Is Media Monkey better?

I've never played with the Monkey (umm, yeah.) so I can't comment on it. But, I have been using Tag & Rename for many years now and love it.
Have used it to anally tag 1000's of mp3 and flac files!