Pinball Cab - MultiBall Madness [Upd 14 March. - Finished]

[Martijn]

Last year i sold my Marvel VS Capcom, so there is a empty spot in our house what needs filling.

So i am gonna do another balcony build 

This time i want to try a a Virtual pinball cabinet. Its going to be medium sized with a 32 inch play field.
I want it to be fairly done around Christmas (hopefully sooner)

At the moment i am learning a lot from the hyperpin forum about the building the cabinet , lights and electronic part
I have been working on the artwork for a week now and the initial design is ready, just like my 2 arcade cabinets its going to be bright fun and flashy 

Now ill get back to cleaning my balcony for this and start gathering my tools

In this first post ill keep editing what and where i bought parts, seems to be the netiquette 

Cabinet
- Bally "Launch Ball" Button - Yellow
- Stern/Sega Red Start Button & Lamp Assembly
- Williams/Bally/Stern Blue Start Button
- "Pinball Sucks" Start Button
- Heavy Duty Leg Leveler - Black
- Leg Leveler Rubber Castors - Set Of 4
- Williams/Bally New Style Leg Bracket
- Williams/Bally Black Backbox Hinge Set
- Williams/Bally Cabinet Hinge Pivot Bushing
- Extended Black Leg Bolts - 2-3/4"
- Williams/Bally Backbox Hinge Bolt - Black
- Williams/Bally Black Legs - Set of 4
- PinGuard Nylon Leg and Bolt Protectors
- PinGuard Cabinet Protectors (set of 4)
- ARCADE MACHINE MINI COIN DOOR FOR 3.5" COIN MECH - #1
- Siderails with button guard, Stern
- Coin Mechanism, 1,00 Euro
- T-MOLDING - YELLOW 10FT ROLL - NEW - 3/4 INCH 
- YELLOW GOLD LEAF 30MM ARCADE BUTTON
- RED GOLD LEAF 30MM ARCADE BUTTON - GOLD
- T-MOLDING - BLACK 10FT ROLL - NEW - 3/4 INCH TMOLDING

PC hardware
- CPU : Intel i3-3240 3400 MHz
- Mainboard : MSI B75IA-E33
- RAM : G.Skill NT DDR3 4GB Kit DDR3-1333MHz
- GPU : MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost Twin Frozr III OC 2048 MB
- SSD : Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD SATA600
- PSU : Cooler Master Voeding V850 850W, Modulair
- PSU : Noctua Casefan NF-A15 PWM 140mm

Sound
- Creative Labs Gigaworks T3 speaker set (stripped it from an old project, need to rebuild the woofer case)

Screens
- Playfield : Samsung Series 5 F5000 32" 1080p 100HZ LED
- DMD : 9inch AT090TN10 800×480 lcd display VGA Interface
- Backglass : Infotronic L2130S 54cm diagonal 21.3" 4:3 1600 x 1200

Controllers
- Ledwiz 32
- VirtuaPin™ Digital Plunger Kit

Force Feedback
- contactor 9A 0VAC 12VDC 3RT1016-1BA42

Lights
- Strip Band Leiste 5050 SMD 60LEDs/M
- 44 LED Truck Strobe Emergency Lights Bright White
- RGB High-Power LED 3 x 1 W Barthelme 66000910 RGB 30/30/8 lm
- Vehicle Roof Top Emergency Hazard Warning Strobe Light Lamp 240 LED White
- 12V SUPER BRIGHT WEDGE BASE CLUSTER LED RED - 10MM
- 12V SUPER BRIGHT WEDGE BASE CLUSTER LED YELLOW- 10MM
- 12V SUPER BRIGHT WEDGE BASE CLUSTER LED BLUE - 10MM

Electronic / Wiring
- DIODE 1N4148 150 mA/75 V Diotec 1 N 4148
- ESKA G-zekeringschakelaar 6,3 x 32 mm
- ESKA Fuse 6,3 x 32 mm 250 V 5.00 A
- ESKA Fuse 6,3 x 32 mm 250 V 10.0 A
- ESKA Fuse 6,3 x 32 mm 250 V 0.5 A
- Resisitor 5W 0,33Ohm Axiaal Hoge belasting 0.33 Ω 5 W ± 10 %
- SCI Switch16 A R13-244B-02 B/R 220 V/AC 250 V/AC 10 A In/uit
- SCI Pushbutton250 V/AC 6 A R13-527A2-02 4x
- LiY Wire 1 x 0,5 mm˛ Red100m Conrad
- LiY Wire 1 x 0,5 mm˛ Black 100 m
- Kabelbinder- en kleefsokkel-set (l x b x h) 27.5 x 19.4 x 4.3 cm EPR-350UV
- ICK S R 28,5x18,5mm
- Neutrik NE8FDP B etherCON chassisdeel female
- Neutrik NC3MD-LX BAG XLR chassisdeel 3p male
- Neutrik NAUSB-W B USB A naar B
- 4-Channel 12V Relay Module
- Neutrik NC3FRX BAG XLR
- 4-Channel 12V Relay Module

[Nephasth]

Looking forward to another clean build!

[rablack97]

oooweee

Tickets purchased......

[swaffar]

I can't believe you got rid of that cab!  Oh well... at least you didn't sell the Street Fighter Cab.  Let's see that side art!

[Rick]

Subscribed! /AJ

[sabreerbasAlpha]

Subscribed! /AJ

  Im also in for the viewing..

[macattack]

Cool, Looking forward to the thread. Just got done doing the same type spec for Vpcabs. Seems to work well at that size.


WWW.Xtremepinball.com

[Maximus]

Ahhh, a master returns. Yep I'll subscribe to this one. 

Assuming you are going to go down the Zeb's power board/LEDWiz route for contactors and LED drivers?

[emphatic]

Please, don't let us down. 

[Rick]

Please, don't let us down. 

Good luck. We're all counting on you.

[Martijn]

Assuming you are going to go down the Zeb's power board/LEDWiz route for contactors and LED drivers?

Because this is just "a"  32 inch sized cab, it wont have a dozens of  high power rgb leds or shakers or replay knockers.
No space and i am not such a enthusiast.

I was thinking along this guide and use 12 volt siemens contactors for some force feed back



Loving your work btw Maximus, very wel planned and executed.

I wont let you guys down in the way of, it will be the same old technique and resources 

I don't have access to laser cutting, cnc milling. Just my balcony and a router is all i need

[Maximus]

Thanks Martijn 

Looks like a cool 12V setup, certainly sounds like you've been doing your research already, I think the only thing you have to watch out for is proper isolation of the LEDWiz from any potential flashback from the contactors, but it looks like the relays should keep you safe from harm.

As for the router on the balcony, I agree that's all you really need, but it must suck to be your neighbor lol.

[Martijn]

Ill hope to get all the cutting done in a day or 2.. back to planning

[a1pharm]

Subscribed!

 

[Minwah]

I was thinking along this guide and use 12 volt siemens contactors for some force feed back

Pardon my ignorance, but what are contactors?

[ViriiGuy]

I built one myslef at the first of this year. All in all I spent about $7k building it, but I made a few mistakes and I added ALL the bells and whistles. I just love mine!

[PL1]

I was thinking along this guide and use 12 volt siemens contactors for some force feed back

Pardon my ignorance, but what are contactors?

They are used to emulate solenoids.



As Sindono puts it here,

they will give a nice sounding and feeling thud to the machine when you push the flippers, or when the ball hits the slingslots or bumpers in the software. Should add a lot of force feedback, making it that more realistic.

Scott

[Rick]

They are used to emulate solenoids.

Ok - so supernooby questions here.

a) Are we looking for an item to provide an audible "click" and a physical "feeling" when we hit the flippers and contact the bumpers, etc?

b) Why would one choose a contactor over a solenoid? Are solenoids simply passe, or are they just not used any more for one reason or another?

c) Would it be smarter (or give better quality) to have a single contactor for each item? So, like, one on the left side of the cab, one on the right side of the cab, and one heavier one mid-field for bumpers, etc?

Again, forgive my noobishness. And thank you.

[ViriiGuy]

They are used to emulate solenoids.

Ok - so supernooby questions here.

a) Are we looking for an item to provide an audible "click" and a physical "feeling" when we hit the flippers and contact the bumpers, etc?

b) Why would one choose a contactor over a solenoid? Are solenoids simply passe, or are they just not used any more for one reason or another?

c) Would it be smarter (or give better quality) to have a single contactor for each item? So, like, one on the left side of the cab, one on the right side of the cab, and one heavier one mid-field for bumpers, etc?

Again, forgive my noobishness. And thank you.

Solenoids are generally not used because Actual Pinball Solenoids require 48 or more volts on average. We use 12V Contactors, because they are easy and fairly cheap to get, replicate the sound and feel very nice.. And do not require massive amounts of power.

[Maximus]

c) Would it be smarter (or give better quality) to have a single contactor for each item? So, like, one on the left side of the cab, one on the right side of the cab, and one heavier one mid-field for bumpers, etc?

Typical VPin rigs use 8 contactors. One each for the the flippers, one for the bumpers on one side, etc etc. Also you can use a windshield washer motor to simulate the 'whirring' of rotating toys, a shaker motor and of course a knocker.

Here's my rig with the contactors in place along with the wiper motor and the shaker

[ViriiGuy]

WowMaximus!! Nice setup!
Does the angled wood help witht he sound? In my build they are just mounted to the sides of the cabinet, in their general location.

[Maximus]

WowMaximus!! Nice setup!
Does the angled wood help witht he sound? In my build they are just mounted to the sides of the cabinet, in their general location.

No the angled wood is part of the side projection system...

[ViriiGuy]

Oh yea!! I rememebr your thread about that now!
Very very cool!

[Martijn]

I hope those projectors can pas the G's test 

Got some parts in, i edited the first post with information

[swaffar]

Thanks for the detailed parts list.  I like the 9" DMD screen.  Do you plan to take the screens out of the cases and countersink them in the sides.  Also, what screen will you be using in the backbox?

[Martijn]

Thanks for the detailed parts list.  I like the 9" DMD screen.  Do you plan to take the screens out of the cases and countersink them in the sides.  Also, what screen will you be using in the backbox?

That screen is as naked as it can get, just the bare 9 inch lcd with a pcboard with a vga connection.
i have a 7 inch 4:3 here, and the quality is great. so i am confident this 9 inch will serve its purpose

[swaffar]

Yeah, I see the DMD screen.  I was talking about the playfield screen.  Lots of people leave the case on and the playfield has a bit of a border around it.  I tried to get mine down to zero.  Also I highly recommend a custom lockdown bar from VirtuaPin.

[Maximus]

I hope those projectors can pas the G's test 

Aye I'm having to engineer in some vibration isolation (that's what she said  )

[Martijn]

Yeah, I see the DMD screen.  I was talking about the playfield screen.  Lots of people leave the case on and the playfield has a bit of a border around it.  I tried to get mine down to zero.  Also I highly recommend a custom lockdown bar from VirtuaPin.

Yes, i love the slide in lcd method, takes away the need for a bezel right?, maximum playfield 
The custom lockdown bar will be ordered once i have figured out the cabinet size , how did you mount it on the cab? I dont see a need for a Lockdown Bar Lever Guide Assembly .

[Martijn]

Today i received the backglas monitor, its a Infotronic L2130s industrial 21.3" 4:3 1600 x 1200 massive screen.

i got it next to nothing from online marketplace (Craig list) with a flaw that the backlight was broken but the screen itself was perfectly ok
You can buy CCFL to led kits to replace the old bulb, i thought because the screen was so cheap i could do this to get a proper working 21.3"

Its really heavy



Weighing a massive 17KG, its as heavy as the old 21 inch CRT, mainly because its entire housing is made of steel, and the foot is as heavy as the whole screen part



Stripped it and found the problem, just some loose filters i think?




I soldered them back on and redid the ones that didn't came loose yet as well.

And its working again 



No need for that repair kit 

[CoryBee]

I love broken TV\Monitors that are that easy to fix.

Good work!

[Martijn]

The playfield and backglass monitor have a good ratio in my eye. visible playfield is 40cm wide, and the visible backglass is 43 wide.
Just a little bigger (because bigger is better  )



I wont decase the playfield, the frame is holding everything together, and its really thin already. I would probably break it..

Now that i got the screens i can start drawing the cutout plan

[spoot]

Typical VPin rigs use 8 contactors. One each for the the flippers, one for the bumpers on one side, etc etc. Also you can use a windshield washer motor to simulate the 'whirring' of rotating toys, a shaker motor and of course a knocker.

Contactors eh..........great, you just cost me $100.00 in more parts.   

[emphatic]

Those screens look great together! 

[swaffar]

Way to go with the screen repair!  If you check my build thread, I've updated the first post (again) with a link to those sketchup plans you wanted.  Hope they help.
 

[Demon-Seed]

I am looking at building one of these too! I look forward to your updates!... any idea on cost?

[swaffar]

Pincabs have a much wider range in cost than traditional arcades.  If you go the full-sized route you're looking at a 42" screen, 27-32" backglass screen and most likely a third screen or $300 authentic DMD.  I've spent about $1800 on my mini, but I went all out (for a mini) whereas most minis are only two screens, no custom lockdown bar, and no led/force feedback.  Check out vpforums.org.  They have a cabinet forum there.

[Demon-Seed]

Hey
Yes I have been lurking on the forums..... the one thing I hate is the admin of the forums sells virtual pins and he always is trying to sell them.  I would buy one but I thought for 4K I could make one or get someone else to build me one for less!

[a1pharm]

It also depends on where you live in the world.  It will cost you more to build if you live in Australia vs. the USA.  If you want to make one, and live in the USA, wait until the after-Thanksgiving/Black Friday sales to buy your TV's/Monitors.

I have parted a 47" playfield 32" backglass and real DMD for about 2k +/- 300.  This does not include a custom lockdown bar or solonoids/contacters (this will add another ~ 300-500), and also does not include custom LED work (another ~ 200).

So, in the USA, for a huge 47" playfield and all the bells and whistles will set you back about 3K.

Cheers!
 

[Maximus]

Refurb TVs are also a good alternative that help keep cost down and of coura course gently used LED tvs will last plenty long enough too.

For contactors you don't have to buy Siemens they have gone up a lot in price, maybe due to this hobby.

Vpins are pricey though in comparison to arcade cabs.

[swaffar]

Yeah, I see the DMD screen.  I was talking about the playfield screen.  Lots of people leave the case on and the playfield has a bit of a border around it.  I tried to get mine down to zero.  Also I highly recommend a custom lockdown bar from VirtuaPin.

Yes, i love the slide in lcd method, takes away the need for a bezel right?, maximum playfield 
The custom lockdown bar will be ordered once i have figured out the cabinet size , how did you mount it on the cab? I dont see a need for a Lockdown Bar Lever Guide Assembly .

I'm using heavy-duty Velcro.  It wasn't what I wanted to use, but ended up being the best option.

[Martijn]

So you got the "no underparts" version, can you tell me the exact dimensions of it in centimeters?

[swaffar]

So you got the "no underparts" version, can you tell me the exact dimensions of it in centimeters?

Yes I got the custom bar without underparts.  I think they would have got in the way on a mini cab.

15" = 38.1 cm

[Martijn]

Thanks, but i meant dept, height, width 

Meanwhile i drew up my design in sketchup , first i looked up some plans of others, and combined with what i had on paper and then created a 3d design.
That way i got a better view on my idea and made some changes here and there. I think its well proportioned , nothing final yet because while i construct it in my head and looking at the 3d render i bumb into little things sometimes.



Its about 90cm standing height, 100cm deep and 45cm wide

[swaffar]

Thanks, but i meant dept, height, width 

It's 38.1(width) x 6.35(depth) 2.54cm(height)

And are those the legs from my model?  Those were amazingly difficult to make, being a self-taught sketchup virgin.

[Demon-Seed]

Hey
Kool.. thanks for the plans!... say if you take out bump and nudge.. and use buttons... how much would that reduce cost?  Are you not concerned about bumping and shifting those expensive panels around? I would be worried they could get damaged?

I have found a couple (3) companies in USA that sell pre made ones, but they go for like 4k!!! Is there anyone in Canada??
thanks
\Jim

[MastarArcade]

...really digging the projection on the side. Awesome "Wow Factor"

[ViriiGuy]

Hey
Kool.. thanks for the plans!... say if you take out bump and nudge.. and use buttons... how much would that reduce cost?  Are you not concerned about bumping and shifting those expensive panels around? I would be worried they could get damaged?
\Jim

I have utterly slammed my cabinet hard enough to move it across the floor a few times, during intense games. The panels survive just fine. If you secure them properly, they do nto really move. The whole cabinet does, but I suspect they see more abuse when the Shaker motor kicks in than when I am nudging the cabinet.

[Demon-Seed]

Hey
Ah.. I would be concerned about the tvs... but if you slam it and all is fine I guess it could be ok.  Do you have a link to your project?

[ViriiGuy]

Sure do. Here you go.
http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/showthread.php?22704-Optimus-Pin-P2k-Build-(39-24-22)

It is not a clean build thread, but it is complete and shows all the mistakes and headaches I ran into ... Mostly due to my own stupidity. But I had some odd hardware failures during as well.

[swaffar]

Quick question:

You have already supported the Timeshock Pro Pinball kickstarter, haven't you?!?  If not, you should.  There's only four days left!

[Martijn]

Quick question:
You have already supported the Timeshock Pro Pinball kickstarter, haven't you?!?  If not, you should.  There's only four days left!

Looking good, and why not. Been ordering so much stuff its crazy, money flows like water for this project. So backing this 

Gotta find a few more parts and i think i can get a lockdown bar made locally , that would be the first that i don't have to get something from the USA with insane prices.

[swaffar]

Looking good, and why not. Been ordering so much stuff its crazy, money flows like water for this project. So backing this 

Gotta find a few more parts and i think i can get a lockdown bar made locally , that would be the first that i don't have to get something from the USA with insane prices.

Thanks for pumping money into our economy... we need it.

[Martijn]

So after many hours of reading, understanding, designing and gathering parts i can finally start

Working space ready 





Woodworking ! 

I started with the side



And some new sharp bits to help me out



When i finished one side and just placed it onto the second and copied it



And i cutted the lcd slot

Twins



Same for top lcd side panels





Thats it for today

[ViriiGuy]

Looking good!

[Rick]

Did you happen to route into your workbench?


 

[Martijn]

Those are vintage, gives the bench character

I think those marks are from my jukebox build.

[Maximus]

Those are vintage, gives the bench character

yeah my bench has a bit of character here and there too lol

[swaffar]

Those pieces look familiar!  I will be putting glass over my backglass screen, but I assume you won't?

Keep up the good work!

[Martijn]

I haven't decided yet about glass or lexan, i have 4mm of space for something.

At the moment i am trying to puzzeling decorate the interior with all the electronics, sub woofer and cooling.

A (small) pincab is more difficult then a standard upright

[Martijn]

Today i did some electronics..

i picked up a free pc, seems to be a pentium 4.



i only kept what i could need

- dvd drive (for windows install
- floppy disc drive (could be handy if i go windows xp lite route)
- case (using this for the pc components
- on off switch wires (easy wiring to outside on off switch)
- cpu and motherboard cooling fan and blocks



Cutting up the case and painting it..



here is the pc part done mostly





Mounted the ssd on the case itself





That power supply rocks, its modulair build and has a 12v line of 70A!
Goldclass 96% efficiency. Should be enough to power everything.

Then i started on the ledwiz panel.

That cooling block from the mainboard looks nice to cool those chips on the ledwiz



Before



After



Then starting the primairy wiring..



Done for today



I used way to thick wire (AWG18), stripping/soldering/heatshrinking that was a time consuming

[Rick]

Dude, more art? I love what you're doing with the electronics. Even the littlest, unseen detail gets amazing treatment.

[Martijn]

Art maybe , but i made a mistake, the fuses are bigger then the holder 
When i insert them, they short each other out, i need to make space between them..

Or just solder the fuses on top of the holder, but then there is no point for the easy-clip-on-clip-off-fuse-holder

[Rick]

Art maybe , but i made a mistake, the fuses are bigger then the holder  When i insert them, they short each other out, i need to make space between them... Or just solder the fuses on top of the holder, but then there is no point for the easy-clip-on-clip-off-fuse-holder

You know, most people would get to this point, and then do this.



It takes a special breed to work through it. Congrats.

[Martijn]

Mumble Mumble Version 2.0

Redid it all and Fuses installed

[emphatic]

Inspiring work. 

[Martijn]

Started on the coinbox panel



Fitting perfect



I test fitted the bottom box to see if my measurements where right









When i was using my router, it heard a rattle then the thing died on me.

I took it apart and found 2 lose metal clips , which they have eaten away a bit of metal from the middle



Quite a big bite..



These 2 parts where the problem. i don't know where they are from..



I cleaned the whole router and put it back together without those 2 metal clips, and i seems to work just fine.

Any thoughts on this? Or should i get a new one.. 

And i am happy that my circle cutting jig came in, its a Jasper 200J, not for sale in Europe

Gonna try this thing out when i made up my mind with this router

[Buick455]

This might not be your exact model but take a look at this exploded diagram it should tell you where they were.

http://servicenet.blackanddecker.com/Products/GetDocument?docName=EA023164.TIF&docPath=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.dewalt.com%2Fdocuments%2FEnglish%2FExploded%2520Art%2FEA023164.png&productId=65453&productType=15080&documentId=34185

if its not the right model you can look for yours here
http://www.blackanddecker.com/Parts.aspx

[Martijn]

Hey thanks, that helps allot  , they seem to be holding the legs from going out of their sockets. Thankfully nothing important.

[Martijn]

Well that circle jig was a bad idea, wont fit my router. Gonna sell it and go old school



simple piece of mdf to cut

test run seems ok 



So i started rebuilding a woofer box





Reinforced the inside with glue and metal brackets



2 passive + 1 active woofer and no exhaust, gonna let it dry before i try

[a1pharm]

 

[BadMouth]

I was hoping that big box in the front was a custom subwoofer enclosure! 

[UFO]

Beautiful ... 

[nordemoniac]

Hey thanks, that helps allot  , they seem to be holding the legs from going out of their sockets. Thankfully nothing important.

I was about to guess that!

Black & Decker doesn't seem to hold up anymore...

Nice build btw! Please document how you connect those subs!

[Martijn]

Black & Decker doesn't seem to hold up anymore...
Nice build btw! Please document how you connect those subs!

It didn't let me down yet (Still happily married with it,  my first and only router  ), i even think it was me slamming the springs back and forth a few projects back.

The woofer is a Creative Slam system (Symmetrically Loaded Acoustic Module) Bose uses this same technology.
It gives a heavy but tight bass in a small woofer case.



I am happy with its quality and highly recommend this 2.1 system (creative gigaworks t3) for anyone who needs a small but powerful and great quality audio.

My laminate arrived  The store where i bought this stopped selling it and i had a hard time to find this stuff in my country.
I really hate painting and am never satisfied with its result, and even with the smallest mistake you can bumb the paint off, this material is king quality, strong and gives a durable layer to any project.



It's a black matte color

And did some more hole cutting for fans and speakers



Little progress on the back panel for Power,Main switch,Boot button,USB,LAN and a air vent



And i made some progress on the bottom box, its glued and screwed together, i had to redo-router the lcd slot, it needed to be a little higher, ill fix the gap with some simple pine to hold the lcd in place

[Rick]

The woofer is a Creative Slam system (Symmetrically Loaded Acoustic Module) Bose uses this same technology. It gives a heavy but tight bass in a small woofer case.

Well, this is certainly interesting. I would be very interested in more information on this!

[Martijn]

Just finished up my slot for the rgb ledstrip 

Jealous at you cnc enabled people, but don't give up builders, with a steady hand we can accomplish similar result.

I was looking dread against this part, i only had one shot to get it right



I placed a panel on top to guide my router and went freehand to cut out the slot



Hooray 



I am on the highway to hell 


Ill probably paint the inside black and then add the strip, it fits like a charm



And i finished up a back panel of the bottom





Made the grill out of a piece of aluminum and painted it





Ready for paint

[Nijhuus]

Another great project!

May I ask where you've bought laminate? You live in the Netherlands, right? (ik kan niks vinden in Nederland).

Thank you.

[Martijn]

Another great project!

May I ask where you've bought laminate? You live in the Netherlands, right? (ik kan niks vinden in Nederland).

Thank you.

I found it on marktplaats.nl , its a guy who makes custom furniture. ill private message you his email adres, its not cheap but beats painting by miles.

[rablack97]

  geez your work is awesome you always seem to have all the right materials for your builds, and you execute flawlessly..... 

 

[BadMouth]

Epic quality once again. 

I've come to accept that I get nothing done when holding myself to those kind of standards. 

[swaffar]

Stop making me look bad.

[Martijn]

I just don't show my mistakes  And swaffer, your build wanted me to make mine 
p.s. Any progress on yours?

[a1pharm]

I just don't show my mistakes 

+1

[Martijn]

Ok, here is a mistake i made, but i dealt with it.

Started working on the flasher panel, it will have 5 rgb high power leds. The ledwiz has a 500mA limit so they will be locked at a save 450mA with some resistors and fuses to protect the wiz.

Draw out the hole markers



Drilled 5 holes with t bit



But as you can see the last hole is ruined, because i didn't lock the bar hard enough, it warped and the bit went crazy. Also very dangerous..



I could remake the panel , but i thought to solve this differently.

I cut out a piece of laminate.



I placed the panel on top and cut out a correct hole



All smooth



Then glued the correct hole over the bad one



All good 







goodbye bad hole 

[swaffar]

I just don't show my mistakes  And swaffer, your build wanted me to make mine 
p.s. Any progress on yours?

All your cabinets look very professional, but I wasn't talking about quality...  I'm teaching myself as I go along.  This was the first time I ever used a router, so I'm very happy with my build, especially the DMD/speaker grill.

I meant that your progress is making me look bad.  I started mine March 2012, and I probably won't be finished until March 2014. 

[TopJimmyCooks]

it looks like your power switch is on the back.  typically on pinball machines it's recessed on the bottom near the front.  The back is hard to get to.  something to consider. 

Looks awesome and looks even more awesome considering the tough workshop conditions.  What do you do when it snows? 

[sabreerbasAlpha]

Some stunning work here. Looks excellent. Looking forward to seeing this finished. 

[Martijn]

All your cabinets look very professional, but I wasn't talking about quality...  I'm teaching myself as I go along.  This was the first time I ever used a router, so I'm very happy with my build, especially the DMD/speaker grill.

I meant that your progress is making me look bad.  I started mine March 2012, and I probably won't be finished until March 2014. 

yes, you should be happy and proud with your build, its looking great. If you seen my builds you can see i always make them in 3-4 months.

it looks like your power switch is on the back.  typically on pinball machines it's recessed on the bottom near the front.  The back is hard to get to.  something to consider. 

Looks awesome and looks even more awesome considering the tough workshop conditions.  What do you do when it snows? 

Powers witch on the back is no problem, i like the connectors and buttons in the back, its not a full size pinball cab and standing on its on, getting back there is the same as my arcade cabs, no problems.
Snow is a problem, ill probably finish woodworking end of Oct. Beating the cold

[Martijn]

Some daily news update

Forgot to mention it can stand now, so this pic is a small roll back



Finished the bottom grills



This one is for the woofer


and this one is for the air intake


Now for the weather 

[rablack97]

Highlight of my day to see your updates   

[stinkyrob]

I'm new to ArcadeControls, and watching build threads like these have been absolutely great!  Thank you for sharing 

[swaffar]

Welcome to the site.  When can we expect a mini-pinball cab thread?

[Martijn]

Small update

I mounted the flasher panel with glue and screws



And started laminating the top and visible inside part of the cab. I just cut out a straight piece of laminate and with the correct angle, then glue it to the side and trim it









Checking the weather its getting colder in a week, so fighting the clock here

I ordered more then a month ago that new plunger unit, sadly its still not shipped, site stated 2-3 weeks till shipping, but he got behind in work or something..
Because i wanted to finish the bottom unit this week , now ill just drill the plunger holes later..    (Don't like drilling and vacuuming the cab again with hardware installed)

[swaffar]

Keep up the great work.  I really like the use of laminate.  It looks great, as always.

[keilmillerjr]

This project looks amazing! Very detail oriented.

Where did you get the aluminum grill? That might b a good option to lighten up the weight of a cab.

[edekoning]

Where did you get the aluminum grill? That might b a good option to lighten up the weight of a cab.

I bought mine at multimate.nl

[Martijn]

I got my perforated aluminum from a local DIY shop (Praxis)

Little update, i finished laminating the front and sides, made flipper holes, finished the back latch and started on the backbox.

I removed the II from the titel, it was in the way on some parts of the artwork 

Added a extra bar for strength



Glued 2 pieces of mdf on the sides of the speaker grill, i forgot the hole wasn't big enough for the sub to fit in it, so i elevated it a little.



Placed the woofer on top, and screwed it fastened on the pieces of mdf below



Then added 2 extra metal brackets to add extra strength to the sub and the entire cab



Then started on the backbox







And thats how she is standing now..



Also i finished up on the artwork and getting it ready for printing.

[swaffar]

Good progress today.  I'm most excited to see your DMD/speaker grill.  I was shocked at how well my second one turned out.  It was EXACTLY the right size.  Of course I drafted it up in sketchup, but it's still hard for me to trust software.

[Martijn]

Some more progress on the cabinet. I finished the bottom mostly, still waiting for the plunger kit. And almost done with the backbox. I have also installed hinges for the backbox, i was uncertain i would install them, the pinball cabinet is not that big and the top could be easily removed. But i went for it and cut the hinges up and mounted them , had some trouble with installing them, i forgot how wide the screw in part was, so i removed 1.5cm from the sides.

Cut them up and drilled new holes



Ready



All my panels have non visible hinges









Still need to cut the DMD hole and laminate the piece, then apply artwork and t-molding and then hardware + wiring.

Oh did i mention i still don't have my plunger (6 weeks now, still not shipped!) 

[a1pharm]

Lookin sweet.  Superb craftsmanship, as always

 

[tron84]

Zoinks!!!!!
That is Beautiful as hell, truly stunning work.
Even the back of the pin cab is Sweet!!!!  Wow 

[emphatic]

She's a beauty. 

[AlienInferno]

Can't believe I haven't seen this until now. Great  job so far. Subscribed.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2

[blueznl]

Martijn, better close of the areas around the fans, it will make them more efficient, otherwise they'll be moving air around the edges (ie. there's a shortcut between outlet and inlet).

(Het regent nu, ik hoop dat je het buitenwerk af hebt...)

[Martijn]

Hey people, thanks for the kind words. Keeps people motivated you know 

Martijn, better close of the areas around the fans, it will make them more efficient, otherwise they'll be moving air around the edges (ie. there's a shortcut between outlet and inlet).

Didn't think that over, i just went for a big gap for heavy breathing room. I can always close it up with plexi if needed.

Yep its raining allot today,so i covered my balcony partly with a plastic sheet. Just a few things and bringing it back inside.
Everyday when i finish a part i clean up the whole balcony and vacuum the house, my wife loves it lol , i just don't want a messy working space.

Cleanliness is next to godliness 

Oh might as well post some progress i did.

Installed the ledstrip, i didn't trust that 3m adhesive that came along with it so i hotglue every 5 cm or so



Wired them up (be sure to wire 12v to 12v, cutting the strip can easily make you mount a part upside down)

and made a hole where the cables go to the top



Sexy 



This ledstrip has 60 leds per 100cm and is the new 5050 model, really bright !

Finished cutting the dmd holes and laminated it

[swaffar]

Great progress.  I'm still not sure if I'll use real hinges and cut them like you did, or if I'll make some custom hinges.

[njay]

Martijn,

Good luck ! i would suggest going the pindmd route with a real plasma dmd

I also used one for my mini pin and it looks sexy and hot

If you are ever interested in viewing it give me a PM i live near Utrecht

here is a preview:

[Martijn]

Great progress.  I'm still not sure if I'll use real hinges and cut them like you did, or if I'll make some custom hinges.

yep, only thing for you size cab would be the authentic look me thinks. when i look at your backbox, i think the wings on the hinges are also to wide to fit them flush.

Good luck ! i would suggest going the pindmd route with a real plasma dmd..

He Njay, remember me asking questions on tweakers, that was the first step to my current cab form
About the vishay dmd, i thought about it, money was not the problem, more the size of the dmd, the screen size would look out of place in my opinion.

[njay]

I think you would be suprised about how it would look, i only use a 24 inch playfield monitor and 19 inch for the backbox

i still would consider it lol

anyways good luck with your build looks awesome, no build topic on tweakers?

[swaffar]

He Njay, remember me asking questions on tweakers, that was the first step to my current cab form
About the vishay dmd, i thought about it, money was not the problem, more the size of the dmd, the screen size would look out of place in my opinion.

I agree.  I think the real DMDs look great, but I prefer keeping the proportions as close as possible.  Also, I really like changing the DMD colors to match each table instead of regular red/orange.

[kixfan]

Can you clarify what size opening you created for the DMD?    A 9 inch diagonal screen seems to small?

Thanks,

Kixfan

[Martijn]

This is a official size plan, hole for dmd and speaker



about 33 x 9 cm

i resized that hole to match the maximum width of my lcd (9" lcd)  (19,5cm x 5,4 cm)

[Martijn]

Little update, i am still waiting for my plunger to get shipped , they promised this week. lets hope so. And i printed the artwork somewhere in my country, but i was unhappy with its result. Its still pending if i can get a refund or something else. They are very slow.. So i decided to print it at Gameongrafix, and its already shipped 

I started working on the led flashers, i have 5 RGB leds in a row , they can get very hot and need a heatsink, so i cut up a cpu heatsink/

Cpu heatsink ready to get a new life



Cleaned it and drawn out the cut out plans



Chopping it up with my metal cutter, this material gets really hot !



Then drilling holes for screws to hold the leds



All done, backside of the leds have some thermal grease



Wired them up to a ATX connector



And mounted them



You need to have them connected to a connector because the cables need to be out of the way if you want to slide in the lcd panel

And i wired up the ledwiz some more, and added cable management sleeves

[floriske.nl]

This project is coming along very nicely! Looking great so far. 

[swaffar]

Looking nice and clean.  I don't know if I'll use cable management sleeves, but I'll be cleaning up my wiring before I close it up for good.

[arno]

Really nice work Martijn! Is the artwork going to get over the lamination?

[swaffar]

Updates, damn you!  Updates!

[Woodshop Flunky]

Impressive craftsmanship... as usual. 

I'll be following this one.

[Martijn]

Yep, sorry for the lack of updates. Cant do much until my parts arrive. Waiting for the Artwork (2nd revision), Glass and Plunger.

After almost 10 weeks the plunger has been shipped, he had many production problems, waiting for parts etc. But its on his way

21 of November will be my sons birthday, i hoped to had at least one table running. I wont rush things so that plan is canceled.

As for the rest, i got most wiring done, but i only post progress when i complete a part.

Not to disappoint anyone, here is a pic of all 3 screens running from the system. Main playfield and Backglass from the pci-e Videocard and the lcd for the DMD from the onboard graphics.

[deadmoney5]

so awesome, man

[swaffar]

Can you turn your playfield screen 180 degrees?  You'll want the top to be on the right side.  It'll make your software setup easier.

[Martijn]

Yes i can turn it no problem, i could do it by turning the lcd screen, or just in nvidia manager 180 degree turn

Status glas : Delivery today 
Status Plunger : November 14, 2013 02:13:00  CUSTOMS CLEARANCE PROCESSING COMPLETE 
Status Artwork : November 14, 2013 , 12:05 am Customs clearance processing complete 

 
 

[EMDB]

Yes i can turn it no problem, i could do it by turning the lcd screen, or just in nvidia manager 180 degree turn

Status glas : Delivery today 
Status Plunger : November 14, 2013 02:13:00  CUSTOMS CLEARANCE PROCESSING COMPLETE 
Status Artwork : November 14, 2013 , 12:05 am Customs clearance processing complete 

 

Did you use GoG again for your artwork as I read they might not be in business anymore? I was planning to use them to print my - still to create - artwork based on what I have seen from Maximus' and your projects.

[Martijn]

yep, printed at gameongrafix. it was shipped within 3 days after i put in the order.

[EMDB]

yep, printed at gameongrafix. it was shipped within 3 days after i put in the order.

Good to know. Thanks!

[Superfrog]

For my Popeye artwork I did order at this place and it was fast, cheap and good quality 
I did use a gloss laminated one

http://www.pixartprinting.co.uk/wide-format/printing-self-adhesive-pvc/car-motorcycle-adhesive/

You can take a look at it

[Martijn]

Here's a xmas update from me, i finished all the woodworking, applied all the artwork and did most of the electronics.
Still need to do some wiring and cleaning things up inside.

I am still waiting for the custom lockdown bar, will get that next year.

Here is some eyecandy.































Merry Christmas

[emphatic]

Insanely nice work, dude!

Merry Christmas!

[Superfrog]

Well done Martijn 

Enjoy your new creation 

[rablack97]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh, turn it on.....

Very nice work.

[Jumpman64]

My goodness, that's pretty.   

[Martijn]

Thanks, i finished wiring everything inside and did a first ledwiz test to see if everything was done right.

Here are some shots of the wiring.















Those wire sleeves are really nice for managing

Here is a vid of my first ledwiz test.

[blueznl]

Uitslover! (Damn, that's nice!)

[rablack97]

WOooooooowwwwww

[Bill_S]

Martijn,
I am considering a very similar build as I have space constraints in the room I want to put my pinball in.  Do you have an approximate cost for all the components pulled together?

[Superfrog]

Uitslover! (Damn, that's nice!)

 

And that great " Pippi Langkous " sample on the background 

My pinball will be a budget one 

[Martijn]

Thanks all, still far from being completed, it is allot more work then i thought, especially because its a pinball cabinet and not a standard upright.

the software part is giving me headache ! 

 

Martijn,
I am considering a very similar build as I have space constraints in the room I want to put my pinball in.  Do you have an approximate cost for all the components pulled together?

I think i have about 2000-2500 euro in there 

It can be very budget if you already have a computer, and will paint the cab instead of artwork and install no flashing/vibrating/clicking toys.
If you can find a used pinball cabinet for a cheap price you already have most original parts to make it look authentic.

Because i wanted a smaller one i needed special sizes for everything. And i went for optiwhite hardened glass (both playfield+backglass box), this glass is so strong you can stand on it, and optiwhite versions don't have a green glass glow, its extra clear. 

Here is a closeup picture of one side of the artwork. both sides are different, all the pinball balls have different logos on both sides.



Here a small log about the dmd creating part.

Dmd panel cut to size



I printed out a drilling template and glued it onto the final sized dmd mdf panel



Used the cirlce cutting jig to cut out a circle, not all the way through. because i wont want it to warp, i route out the rest with a copy bit.



Place holders onto the template



Route out the rest



Apply laminate



All done



Then apply the artwork, so you can route out the sticker inside, you can NEVER get such a smooth shave of the sticker with a knife



ultra smooth









Then route of the back for the lcd and speaker, leave 2-3mm of mdf dept left over



Paint the inside edge with a marker, clean up the artwork if it has some markings with some alcohol.



Pressing speaker grill and glued it in place



Done

[Polyphemus]

Very inspiring! 

Stupid question maybe, but isn't 0.33 Ohms, as stated in the opening post, for the LED's a little low?

Freezyś wiring diagram shows 33 Ohms 

[jroyal]

Great work, I've been inspired by these v-pinball builds and yours is excellent work and greatly documented.  Since I'm new to this, what are the force feedback contactors and do you need 6 of these?  Those things are pricey!

Force Feedback
- contactor 9A 0VAC 12VDC 3RT1016-1BA42

[swaffar]

Great work, I've been inspired by these v-pinball builds and yours is excellent work and greatly documented.  Since I'm new to this, what are the force feedback contactors and do you need 6 of these?  Those things are pricey!

Force Feedback
- contactor 9A 0VAC 12VDC 3RT1016-1BA42

Check my thread if you're feeling seriously inspired.  This was based on my build, and I linked the google sketchup build plans in the first post of my thread.  The force feedback contactors are expensive, and you probably won't find them cheap anywhere.

@Martijn - How are you liking the force feedback?  After playing my unfinished cab over the last year, I've decided to leave them out.  It seems like a lot of clutter in such a small space, and I was thinking they might be too much bang for an under-sized cab.  Also... great looking art, but what's up with you and fighter themes?

[Rick]

Amazing work, as always! Can you give me some details on how you created your LED lighting? Where did you get the LEDs and the great looking caps? I've been searching everywhere for some solution, but can't seem to find something I like that comes even close to yours.

[talkgeek]

Here's a xmas update from me, i finished all the woodworking, applied all the artwork and did most of the electronics.
Still need to do some wiring and cleaning things up inside.

I am still waiting for the custom lockdown bar, will get that next year.

Here is some eyecandy.































Merry Christmas

The quality and level of detail on this build is just amazing - very impressive

[Martijn]

Stupid question maybe, but isn't 0.33 Ohms, as stated in the opening post, for the LED's a little low?
Freezyś wiring diagram shows 33 Ohms 

You are right thank you, i made a mistake there, the blue and green need 27 Ohms and red needs 33 Ohms, changing them this week 

Great work, I've been inspired by these v-pinball builds and yours is excellent work and greatly documented.  Since I'm new to this, what are the force feedback contactors and do you need 6 of these?  Those things are pricey!
Force Feedback
- contactor 9A 0VAC 12VDC 3RT1016-1BA42

These contactors represent the bumpers, slingshots and flipper relay sound and feedback, you can go without, but it gives more realism.
Some people even wire up 8-9 contactors, i think you are good with 6, the contactors in the back all sound and feel the same to me.
I am even going to rewire the one in the middle-back to the side(right), on that piece of mdf it just sounds dull.
You can get different versions, in the usa 24v versions are more common, but you need a 24v power supply then.
You can check ebay, many sets are offered there. Also many topics on the pinball forums about what contactors are best in sound/speed/feedback.

@Martijn - How are you liking the force feedback?  After playing my unfinished cab over the last year, I've decided to leave them out.  It seems like a lot of clutter in such a small space, and I was thinking they might be too much bang for an under-sized cab.  Also... great looking art, but what's up with you and fighter themes?

The contactos are a nice addition, but you can go without, or just add 2 for the flippers and 2 on the sides for all the action,  they almost sound  the same.
Btw, when you turn up the volume really loud + that sub vibrating the cab you cant really hear them anymore, but still you notice them, somewhere in all that noise you hear the clicks and feel them. Expensive but worth it..
About the artwork, i am just a Capcom and fighter fan, especially sexy female characters

Amazing work, as always! Can you give me some details on how you created your LED lighting? Where did you get the LEDs and the great looking caps? I've been searching everywhere for some solution, but can't seem to find something I like that comes even close to yours.

Thanks, look here for those domes

http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=309
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=310
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=catalog&mode=search&search_in=all&search_str=dome

rgb leds can be found

here : http://www.conrad.com/ce/en/product/181957/Barthelme-66000910-RGB-High-Power-LED?ref=searchDetail
here : http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-pcs-3W-High-Power-RGB-Led-6-Pins-Full-Color-1W-New-/230776117908?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35bb541a94#ht_1487wt_1139


Thanks Talkgeek, outside still needs some minor things and that lockdown bar. And now that the basic software is running i can get to tweak all my settings and do a little rewiring.

I learned that the ledwiz ini config tool that you can find online can create the ledwiz.ini but it seems they have preconfigured the RGB slots, i wired them up in BGR 
Or i need to find out how to change that or rewire B + R 5 times (6 times actually for the ledstrip)

[swaffar]

About the artwork, i am just a Capcom and fighter fan, especially sexy female characters

Then where is Felicia?

Thanks Talkgeek, outside still needs some minor things and that lockdown bar. And now that the basic software is running i can get to tweak all my settings and do a little rewiring.

Are you going with HyperPin or PinballX?  HyperPin has a little better look to it, but I'm having much better performance with PinballX.  HyperPin always freezes for about 5-10 seconds after exiting a table, whereas PinballX runs like butter.

[Capp]

absolutely excellent work mate,  inspiration to us all,  especially me,  as its spurred my enthusiasm to continue working on my build.


well done

[Martijn]

Thanks, i am still busy with the software part. Can you believe it takes 30-60 minutes per table to get it running decently?
And even after that you can still tweak the table. I find this especially with the Future Pinball tables.

I got the following running
Os : Windows XP
Frontend : PinballX
Visual pinball + dB2S Server + Direct framework input + Ledwiz support
Future pinball + BAM + FutureDMD + Ledwiz support

I havent even looked into Pinball FX or others..

 

[swaffar]

PinballFX... Meh. 

[njay]

Martijn,

Awesome man ! congrats

My cab pales in comparison to yours lol

Hopefully later this year farsight will include cabinet support in the pinball arcade so we can choose between VP and TPA

Good luck with the wiring , the ledwiz tool is the way to go 

[kahlid74]

Great job man.  Great build quality and attention to detail.  I'm not a huge fan of Capcom on stuff but it looks well done on your cab.

[Martijn]

Little more update :

- Changed from Windows XP 32-bit to Windows 7 64-bit, xp was giving me so many problems. Windows 7 is really the way to go.

- Removed the Ebay 4 port Relay switch for the underside cab + stroboscope with ebay http://www.ebay.nl/itm/281191529940 mini rgb amp.
The relay made so much noise, , clicking and buzzing all the time. This item made it silent, highly recommended 

- Started on Lockdownbar Version 0.3, it fits nice but needs more smooth corners, i am thinking of removing almost 1cm from the corner where you hand palm rests

When its finished ill send it to the painter for same style powder coating as the side-rails

[Malenko]

is there anything you cant do?  This is downright amazing and inspiring. kudos.

[DarakuTenshi]

I wanted to start a pinball simulator when I finish my hyperspin... But there is no way I'd be able to all of that. Man this is just sweet!

[Santoro]

Stunning work.  Subscribed!

[Martijn]

is there anything you cant do?  This is downright amazing and inspiring. kudos.

  thanks, but this lockdownbar i didnt make. A dads friend works in a metal factory, he made the shape.
I sanded it down and then i went to a poadercoating shop of a acquaintance of mine.

Result   

(work in progress pic of the bar)





Because of the structure, you will not see imperfections that easy, also i like how it feels when holding the machine. Plain black was to cold for me.

I mounted it with 3 screws, it fits so tight around the cabinet i almost dont need screws to hold it in place.







Well thats the end of this ride, the cabinet is 100% done hardware wise. Just more table configuring and fine tuning other software things.

Ill make a video soon 

[Santoro]

Came out great!

[jongunz]

Beautiful.  The only thing I would change if I had the skill to do all this would be to make the T-molding horizontal pieces black to tie in better with the black surround and lockdown bar.  But that is just for me visually.  This thing is a work of art.

[a1pharm]

 

Bravo!

[XNIF]

Can you make a video when the software is all done ? I want to see it in action!  All your builds are insanely well done.  Very inspiring, really awesome!

[Martijn]

Whoops here is a vid and a gallery

its up for sale !





pictures https://plus.google.com/photos/112701188581362816340/albums/6116833516029187169

[yotsuya]

I'm curious, do you just get tired of these things and just decide to sell them? Or do you get offers and realize you can make some money off of them? Just wondering, because you seem to sell off your projects on a regular basis (again, no judgment, just curious). 

[jaharr01]

       It's a lot of money to have tied up in one machine Yotsuya. I can't speak for everyone who has one. Possibly it's a matter of financial need for some people. They sink a bunch of money in something and they realize maybe they were in over there head financially. Another point is they do seem to bring a lot on the used market $5000 range. Let me ask you Yotsuya, do you sell your machines after you finish them? My guess is you keep them, but if the money is right you would sell about any of them.
      As far as being bored with them I don't play my pin that much, but I wouldn't sell it unless somebody offed me crazy money.

[jaharr01]

That's me though, Martijn may be different

[yotsuya]

       It's a lot of money to have tied up in one machine Yotsuya. I can't speak for everyone who has one. Possibly it's a matter of financial need for some people. They sink a bunch of money in something and they realize maybe they were in over there head financially. Another point is they do seem to bring a lot on the used market $5000 range. Let me ask you Yotsuya, do you sell your machines after you finish them? My guess is you keep them, but if the money is right you would sell about any of them.
      As far as being bored with them I don't play my pin that much, but I wouldn't sell it unless somebody offed me crazy money.

I think my questions were directed at Martijn, not you. 

[Rick]

I think my questions were directed at Martijn, not you.

Would you like to know my answers to your questions?

[yotsuya]

I think my questions were directed at Martijn, not you.

Would you like to know my answers to your questions?

You forgot the shrug and laugh! I was just funnin' with Jaharr!

To answer Jay's questions to me, I've given away one of my builds to my daughter as an engagement present (love that cab), but not, I have never sold anything that I built for myself. I put that time and effort into it to make it the way I want it, so why would I?

I've BUILT three cabs for other people, but those were to their specifications. I still took great pride in the work, but that stuff was their call.

[Rick]

You forgot the shrug and laugh! I was just funnin' with Jaharr!

Apologies. Most times, I remove emoticons from quoted posts, simply for the look of the quote. It's certainly not to re-theme your question, as I totally get that you were kidding and didn't mean it in a malicious way.

[jaharr01]

Well Yotsuya I know you were kidding.Sorry though but I misread, I thought u were talking about just Vpins I was just trying to give an insight about, pincabs not the fact that he sells his stuff

[jaharr01]

You forgot the shrug and laugh! I was just funnin' with Jaharr!

Apologies. Most times, I remove emoticons from quoted posts, simply for the look of the quote. It's certainly not to re-theme your question, as I totally get that you were kidding and didn't mean it in a malicious way.

Yotsuya was being a

to me not you Rick. I don't take him seriously though. I think he's supposed at work, not surfing the internet. That's our precious tax dollars

[yotsuya]

Yotsuya was being a ass to me not you Rick. I don't take him seriously though. I think he's supposed at work, not surfing the internet. That's our precious tax dollars.

---smurfette---, please - this is 2015 - my phone has the Internet on it.

Well Yotsuya I know you were kidding.Sorry though but I misread, I thought u were talking about just Vpins I was just trying to give an insight about, pincabs not the fact that he sells his stuff

Yeah, I was more curious on why he sells his stuff, as he has openly lamented this fact in other threads.

[yotsuya]

You forgot the shrug and laugh! I was just funnin' with Jaharr!

Apologies. Most times, I remove emoticons from quoted posts, simply for the look of the quote. It's certainly not to re-theme your question, as I totally get that you were kidding and didn't mean it in a malicious way.

I was just funnin' you, Ricardo!

[Rick]

I was just funnin' you, Ricardo!

So hard to tell without the emotes. LOL.

[pbj]

They get boring in less than 5 minutes and can't even go 5 minutes without crashing.

[jaharr01]

They do get somewhat boring on occasion I agree. But so do arcade games. Mine took a while took get all the bugs out of the software but it doesn't crash.They are like anything else if you change stuff all the time they havee a tendency to crash. I enjoy pinball fx2 a lot. It's fun. I think a lot of the VP tables are too damn hard or I have them on the wrong settings.  .They are not as good as real pinball machine but you can play a bunch of different tables on there.I wouldn't build another one though that's for sure.

[Martijn]

  Delicate subject it seems.


I am selling because I don't play much, and need the space for something new. The system runs without any trouble and keeps amazing me how well it plays.

I enjoy building more then playing

[jaharr01]

So what are u gonna build now Martijn?