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This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« on: April 18, 2018, 07:32:46 pm »
I've seen all the movies and all the shows (except Enterprise, that one stunk)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXy_DO6IZOA

Starting at 30 seconds in till about 1:20. Best minute of Star Trek ever.


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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2018, 08:13:54 pm »
LOL that doesn't even hit the top 500. 

1.  Star Trek II... Spock's death scene.
2.  There are FOUR lights!
3.  DS9, "root beer" monologue by Quark

Plus tons of other ones too numerous to mention like "Hello Computer" or "Double Dumbass on you!" ... "Too many marsh melons" ... "What does god want with a starship?"  ect.

The garbage reboots and ST Discovery are probably at the bottom of any "best scenes" list if you'd ask the average ST fan.  Also Enterprise was awesome towards the end. 

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2018, 08:30:15 pm »
I've seen all the movies and all the shows (except Enterprise, that one stunk)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXy_DO6IZOA

Starting at 30 seconds in till about 1:20. Best minute of Star Trek ever.

Nothing tops this scene in Star Trek II.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9dEI-Ru1CI




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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2018, 09:05:01 pm »
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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2018, 01:53:30 am »

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2018, 01:59:31 am »
Yup, all better than the first post. 

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2018, 10:46:06 am »
Star Trek Next Gen is the only real Star Trek. I like at 1:40 hearing the Borge over the intercom and all the Star Trek fleet engaging and getting killed I was like Owwwww shi. If you watched the series they meet the borge because Q was board and wanted to teach Picard a lesson that there were things in space stronger than humans so he sent the Enterprise into the next guadrant over right in front of the Borge. The Borge scanned them, blew up half of their ship and as they are being chased down ready to be destroyed Q sends them back to earth. I think Guinan tells Picard at the end that they now know you exist and they will be heading for earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piMRgm9Ga6o

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2018, 11:02:03 am »
Your clip just made me sad to see Anton Yelchin.  I've driven one of those cars that killed him and it's absolutely the stupidest gear selector I've ever encountered. 

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2018, 03:38:34 pm »
Star Trek Next Gen is the only real Star Trek. I like at 1:40 hearing the Borge over the intercom and all the Star Trek fleet engaging and getting killed I was like Owwwww shi. If you watched the series they meet the borge because Q was board and wanted to teach Picard a lesson that there were things in space stronger than humans so he sent the Enterprise into the next guadrant over right in front of the Borge. The Borge scanned them, blew up half of their ship and as they are being chased down ready to be destroyed Q sends them back to earth. I think Guinan tells Picard at the end that they now know you exist and they will be heading for earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piMRgm9Ga6o

There's no "e" in Borg.  ;)  First Contact was a damn good movie and I think if it weren't for Insurrection Johnathan Frakes would be a big time Hollywood director now.  "The line must be drawn here!" is one of the best scenes in the franchise.  I always thought it was a missed opportunity that Q wasn't in one of the movies.... with him along for the ride it offers a lot of opportunities to get away with stuff that would normally convolute the plot.  They could have had every living cast member from every ST show in one film..... why? .... because Q. 

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2018, 04:13:47 pm »
I liked Enterprise.  ::)

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2018, 05:23:57 pm »
Yup, all better than the first post.

Still unconvinced.

Trust me, I'm just as sad that it's from the new set of movies too, but that scene is hard to beat.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2018, 07:56:12 pm »
No it's not.  Star Trek isn't about action... it's about character development, philosophy and emotion.  Any action scenes are purely incidental.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2018, 09:00:04 pm »
No it's not.  Star Trek isn't about action... it's about character development, philosophy and emotion.  Any action scenes are purely incidental.

Well, it's the best action scene in all of Star Trek. When compared to the best character development scene, philosophy scene, and emotion scene, the action scene I posted is the best of the best.

In this one scene, there is Spocks greatest realization as he embraces his human side and grows emotionally. Spock realizes that to be the best Vulcan he can be, he needs to allow his human attributes to shine. It grapples with the futility of man against impossible odds and how faith interwoven deeply into ones soul during trying times can overcome.

Not sure how you missed that.

lol

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2018, 09:38:13 pm »
Any scene is Next Gen when Ryker had the hot visiting chick in his quarters and didn't say "i'm taking a crap" when he was expectedly called to the bridge.

That scene where kirk escaped the prison planet and the women with the cigar was about to tell him the whole plan and he was beamed out.

"guess who's coming to dinner"
"double dumb ass"

When they found the assassin's boots in the locker of the alien with elephant feet.

The whole crew shaking while the bridge didn't move in the first movie.

too many memorable scenes across all star treks.
well except the new one.
although the captain with the messed up eyes banging the admiral then send her to be Klingon food was pretty alpha.

damn now I want to watch the original motion pictures again.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2018, 12:09:53 am »
No it's not.  Star Trek isn't about action... it's about character development, philosophy and emotion.  Any action scenes are purely incidental.

Well, it's the best action scene in all of Star Trek. When compared to the best character development scene, philosophy scene, and emotion scene, the action scene I posted is the best of the best.

In this one scene, there is Spocks greatest realization as he embraces his human side and grows emotionally. Spock realizes that to be the best Vulcan he can be, he needs to allow his human attributes to shine. It grapples with the futility of man against impossible odds and how faith interwoven deeply into ones soul during trying times can overcome.

Not sure how you missed that.

lol

But see, that's not Spock..... that's the serial killer from Heroes cosplaying as Spock who dates Uhura like some bad fan fiction.  I'm not sure how you missed that.  Also these are the garbage reboot films which lack emotion or depth at all but the most superficial levels.  Fire up the Wrath of Khan, watch Spock's death and eulogy.  If you don't start tearing up you are some sort of inhuman monster.  It's not only the best scene in all of Star Trek, it could very well be considered the best death scene in the history of cinema. 
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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2018, 01:28:26 am »



I almost forgot everyone knows that OG Tribble epesode or at least knows of it.

GO to Netflix < go to Deep Space Nine < Season 5  EP 6. It still holds up, you can thank me later for making you watch that  :)
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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2018, 08:19:42 am »
But see, that's not Spock..... that's the serial killer from Heroes cosplaying as Spock who dates Uhura like some bad fan fiction. 

Howard is 100% right.  It is fan fiction.  Entertaining but almost no emotional stakes.

Full Disclosure - I liked the first Star Trek reboot movie.  Particularly Chris Pine's riff on Kirk.  But he also had the benefit of not having to play opposite Shatner. 

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2018, 11:25:19 am »
No it's not.  Star Trek isn't about action... it's about character development, philosophy and emotion.  Any action scenes are purely incidental.

Well, it's the best action scene in all of Star Trek. When compared to the best character development scene, philosophy scene, and emotion scene, the action scene I posted is the best of the best.

In this one scene, there is Spocks greatest realization as he embraces his human side and grows emotionally. Spock realizes that to be the best Vulcan he can be, he needs to allow his human attributes to shine. It grapples with the futility of man against impossible odds and how faith interwoven deeply into ones soul during trying times can overcome.

Not sure how you missed that.

lol

But see, that's not Spock..... that's the serial killer from Heroes cosplaying as Spock who dates Uhura like some bad fan fiction.  I'm not sure how you missed that.  Also these are the garbage reboot films which lack emotion or depth at all but the most superficial levels.  Fire up the Wrath of Khan, watch Spock's death and eulogy.  If you don't start tearing up you are some sort of inhuman monster.  It's not only the best scene in all of Star Trek, it could very well be considered the best death scene in the history of cinema.

I love you Howard, so donít get mad, but the hyperbole bro...



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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2018, 01:56:23 pm »
"Don't get mad" but anyone that compares me to Trump is a piece of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.  Seriously you saw how mad it even made me for you to mention the piece of garbage's name in a thread and now you compare me to that monster.  Go ---fudgesicle--- yourself.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2018, 02:52:27 pm »
Lighten up Francis.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2018, 04:18:12 pm »
"Don't get mad" but anyone that compares me to Trump is a piece of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.  Seriously you saw how mad it even made me for you to mention the piece of garbage's name in a thread and now you compare me to that monster.  Go ---fudgesicle--- yourself.

Sigh. I knew you were going to get mad. But Iím just showing you how bad your hyperbole sounds sometimes. I read what you posted, and itís the first thing I thought of.

Oh well, Iím man enough to own my words. Iíll go rub one out inside the Star Wars cockpit in your honor.
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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2018, 04:58:16 pm »
But if you knew I was going to get mad then why did you say it?  Why did you intentionally try to hurt me?  I came back into this thread to apologize but now I see that you don't really deserve one.  We were talking about movies and I'm just trying to educate someone on why these films are important and because you don't agree you compare me to Hitler. 

I've mis-judged you, I thought you were a good guy but I was wrong, you are just like all the rest. 

The problem with these forums is I constantly have to be the better man because they aren't moderated anymore and even when they were nobody ever gets a perma-ban for highly inappropriate behavior.  I have people in a thread that in a cowardly passive-aggressive way tell me that they don't want me here and I have to be the better man and ignore it, then in another thread they aggressively me push me, I finally snap and tell them to back off they say things highly inappropriate and do they get banned or even reprimanded?  Nope that post just sits there... and I have to be the better man and let it go.  Then the next guy jumps on me, and then the next and now you of all people.  I'm sick of letting stuff go when I shouldn't have to, I'm sick of feeling like some of you really don't accept me or want me included when I've more than earned my spot and I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. 

This place isn't healthy anymore and I'm beginning to wonder if it ever was.  To those that have been nice to me over the years I appreciate it, but I can't keep subjecting myself to this anymore.  So I'm gone, thanks for all the fish.  If Saint would give me a few weeks to make sure I have everything properly backed up from the Dragon King website I would appreciate it. 

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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2018, 05:37:56 pm »
Wow... lol

Too funny... Howard lighten up. He compared you to the President of the United States! I think Congratulations are in order! Howard "Making BYOAC Great Again!!!!"



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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2018, 05:44:39 pm »
Howard responds to a joke the same way Trump does.
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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2018, 05:44:59 pm »
But if you knew I was going to get mad then why did you say it?  Why did you intentionally try to hurt me?  I came back into this thread to apologize but now I see that you don't really deserve one.  We were talking about movies and I'm just trying to educate someone on why these films are important and because you don't agree you compare me to Hitler. 

I've mis-judged you, I thought you were a good guy but I was wrong, you are just like all the rest. 

The problem with these forums is I constantly have to be the better man because they aren't moderated anymore and even when they were nobody ever gets a perma-ban for highly inappropriate behavior.  I have people in a thread that in a cowardly passive-aggressive way tell me that they don't want me here and I have to be the better man and ignore it, then in another thread they aggressively me push me, I finally snap and tell them to back off they say things highly inappropriate and do they get banned or even reprimanded?  Nope that post just sits there... and I have to be the better man and let it go.  Then the next guy jumps on me, and then the next and now you of all people.  I'm sick of letting stuff go when I shouldn't have to, I'm sick of feeling like some of you really don't accept me or want me included when I've more than earned my spot and I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. 

This place isn't healthy anymore and I'm beginning to wonder if it ever was.  To those that have been nice to me over the years I appreciate it, but I can't keep subjecting myself to this anymore.  So I'm gone, thanks for all the fish.  If Saint would give me a few weeks to make sure I have everything properly backed up from the Dragon King website I would appreciate it.

Howard, if you were here in person, I would have said this to you to your face, with a smile on mine. And I guarantee you would have had one on yours as well.

You need some face to face time, some camaraderie. I like you, I truly do. I wish you were here with us, having dinner, playing games, laughing, the works. After the show last night, we went back the Opt2Notís AirBNB and played Silk Worm on the NES. I wouldnít trade that for the world.

So Iím sorry if you didnít like the fact that I felt your hyperbole was Trumpian. But it was. I tell my friends things like that. And they get where Iím coming from.
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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2018, 10:10:22 pm »
All the Rules of Acquisition are amongst my favorite.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition

It's not really resizable to pick one "Best moment" for a show thats been around for 50 years.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2018, 03:33:36 pm »
Wrong, everyone is wrong.

https://youtu.be/mkJ3--2K7yo

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2018, 03:56:15 pm »
I have to say out of all the many versions of Star Trek through the years my heart belongs with TNG.  But I have linked my favorite movie scene below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiDRgDmXGi4

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2018, 04:16:20 pm »
I have to say out of all the many versions of Star Trek through the years my heart belongs with TNG.  But I have linked my favorite movie scene below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiDRgDmXGi4

 :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2018, 05:45:52 pm »
You need some face to face time, some camaraderie. I like you, I truly do. I wish you were here with us, having dinner, playing games, laughing, the works. After the show last night, we went back the Opt2Notís AirBNB and played Silk Worm on the NES. I wouldnít trade that for the world.
Man, that Silk Worm game is so much fun with friends!  It's making me consider getting the Arcade board, it's dirt cheap too @ around $50.  Good value for a fun title.

We also played some Dr. Mario, which I'd like to remind the Zapcon bros that I absolutely dominated in  :D ...but Neph fired back at me with his Yoshi dominance (not Yoshi's cookie, the other Yoshi NES puzzle game). AND THEN, harveybirdman destroyed us at Super Dodge Ball... it was great times, good camaraderie, and awesome competition of our skills.

Next year if I go again, I'd like to bring another console set-up like that again for everyone to enjoy after convention hours.
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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2018, 05:58:28 pm »
Maybe you could invite the new guy. :'(

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2018, 07:42:03 pm »
You need some face to face time, some camaraderie. I like you, I truly do. I wish you were here with us, having dinner, playing games, laughing, the works. After the show last night, we went back the Opt2Notís AirBNB and played Silk Worm on the NES. I wouldnít trade that for the world.
Man, that Silk Worm game is so much fun with friends!  It's making me consider getting the Arcade board, it's dirt cheap too @ around $50.  Good value for a fun title.

We also played some Dr. Mario, which I'd like to remind the Zapcon bros that I absolutely dominated in  :D ...but Neph fired back at me with his Yoshi dominance (not Yoshi's cookie, the other Yoshi NES puzzle game). AND THEN, harveybirdman destroyed us at Super Dodge Ball... it was great times, good camaraderie, and awesome competition of our skills.

Next year if I go again, I'd like to bring another console set-up like that again for everyone to enjoy after convention hours.

I already told the olí lady Iím spending one night at the Pac house next year....
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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2018, 11:18:59 pm »
You need some face to face time, some camaraderie. I like you, I truly do. I wish you were here with us, having dinner, playing games, laughing, the works. After the show last night, we went back the Opt2Notís AirBNB and played Silk Worm on the NES. I wouldnít trade that for the world.
Man, that Silk Worm game is so much fun with friends!  It's making me consider getting the Arcade board, it's dirt cheap too @ around $50.  Good value for a fun title.

We also played some Dr. Mario, which I'd like to remind the Zapcon bros that I absolutely dominated in  :D ...but Neph fired back at me with his Yoshi dominance (not Yoshi's cookie, the other Yoshi NES puzzle game). AND THEN, harveybirdman destroyed us at Super Dodge Ball... it was great times, good camaraderie, and awesome competition of our skills.

Next year if I go again, I'd like to bring another console set-up like that again for everyone to enjoy after convention hours.

I already told the olí lady Iím spending one night at the Pac house next year....
Sweet, you and H_C can share the bunk bed.  >:D

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2018, 03:57:55 pm »
LOL that doesn't even hit the top 500. 

1.  Star Trek II... Spock's death scene.


Plus tons of other ones too numerous to mention like "Hello Computer" or "Double Dumbass on you!"

The garbage reboots and ST Discovery are probably at the bottom of any "best scenes" list if you'd ask the average ST fan.  Also Enterprise was awesome towards the end. 

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2018, 04:09:08 pm »
Anyone watching Star Trek: Discovery?  I just watched the first 2 episodes last night and it seems OK I guess.  I was a little sleepy from reading all the subtitled Klingon but I'll probably keep watching it.  Also, what were they thinking?  No way casual fans will sit through characters speaking a made-up language for large chunks of time.

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« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2018, 08:42:05 pm »
I want to say it'll get better, but it really depends on what kind of fan you are. They play fast and loose with cannon. Some of the story falls apart under scrutiny.

All in all, it was a good watch to me.

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« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2018, 11:18:28 pm »
Anyone watching Star Trek: Discovery?  I just watched the first 2 episodes last night and it seems OK I guess.  I was a little sleepy from reading all the subtitled Klingon but I'll probably keep watching it.  Also, what were they thinking?  No way casual fans will sit through characters speaking a made-up language for large chunks of time.
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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2018, 11:28:37 am »
I want to say it'll get better, but it really depends on what kind of fan you are. They play fast and loose with cannon. Some of the story falls apart under scrutiny.

All in all, it was a good watch to me.

I don't really care about canon as long as the story is good.  I've watched all the trek out there (TV and movies) so I'm a fan but I am not obsessed with the lore and everything.  I loved the 3 new movies even though they weren't "true" Star Trek movies to the hardcore fans.

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« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2018, 03:43:19 pm »
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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2018, 03:44:28 pm »
When it comes to the movies, Iíve only seen Star Trek - The Motion Picture.
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« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2018, 03:58:00 pm »
When it comes to the movies, Iíve only seen Star Trek - The Motion Picture.

Dude. Stop what you're doing and go watch Wrath of Khan.

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« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2018, 04:01:26 pm »
When it comes to the movies, Iíve only seen Star Trek - The Motion Picture.

Dude. Stop what you're doing and go watch Wrath of Khan.

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« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2018, 04:06:22 pm »
 :afro:

VI is a good one as well

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2018, 04:26:42 pm »
When it comes to the movies, Iíve only seen Star Trek - The Motion Picture.

Dude. Stop what you're doing and go watch Wrath of Khan.

The even numbered movies are great.  STIII might be an exception to that rule but it is still much weaker than the even numbered movies.

Wrath of Khan is one of my all-time favorite movies of any genre.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2018, 04:28:07 pm »
I like the one where Spock's brother steals the ship to talk to god.  Probably the only one I've watched from start to finish on TV.


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« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2018, 04:45:36 pm »
I like the one where Spock's brother steals the ship to talk to god.  Probably the only one I've watched from start to finish on TV.

 :badmood:  That is by far the worst one.

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« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2018, 05:04:46 pm »
I like the one with the humpback whales.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #49 on: August 10, 2018, 02:04:24 pm »
I like to think of Star Trek 2, 3 and 4 as the real trilogy. The stories tie together well. Very complete.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2018, 12:23:39 am »
I like the one where Spock's brother steals the ship to talk to god.  Probably the only one I've watched from start to finish on TV.

 :badmood:  That is by far the worst one.


No that would be Star Trek III.  You know, the one without Spock.  Five is very underrated... it's one of my personal favorites.  The moral lesson about religion not being the answer to everyone's problems and perhaps peoples' struggles building character instead of destroying their lives is a very poignant one.  Also the whole thing about joining a cult to find god ends up brining you closer to the devil is kind of fitting.  I mean you do understand that the trapped entity was supposed to be the devil right?  Yeah the ending was kind of botched and that fan dance was kind of weird, but everything else was pretty great. 

The motion picture is also a  bit underrated.  It's slow as hell, but if you have the patience it's quite cerebral, which is how good Trek should be.  Honestly three is the only TOS stinker imho, primarily because the entire film is a giant plot device to unkill Spock, but they didn't have the good sense to bring him back at the beginning of the film, so that you know, Leonard Nimoy would actually be in it to play off of Kirk and McCoy. 

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« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2018, 08:16:13 am »
In one of Shatners books he said that he got handcuffed by studio execs on the ending of the movie. He needed more money for the ending he wanted. He could have made that up, but that is the reason he provided. I liked 5 as well. The row, row, row your boat scenes were among my favorites in all of Trek.

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« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2018, 09:03:17 am »
I like the one where Spock's brother steals the ship to talk to god.  Probably the only one I've watched from start to finish on TV.

 :badmood:  That is by far the worst one.


No that would be Star Trek III.  You know, the one without Spock.  Five is very underrated... it's one of my personal favorites.  The moral lesson about religion not being the answer to everyone's problems and perhaps peoples' struggles building character instead of destroying their lives is a very poignant one.  Also the whole thing about joining a cult to find god ends up brining you closer to the devil is kind of fitting.  I mean you do understand that the trapped entity was supposed to be the devil right?  Yeah the ending was kind of botched and that fan dance was kind of weird, but everything else was pretty great. 

The motion picture is also a  bit underrated.  It's slow as hell, but if you have the patience it's quite cerebral, which is how good Trek should be.  Honestly three is the only TOS stinker imho, primarily because the entire film is a giant plot device to unkill Spock, but they didn't have the good sense to bring him back at the beginning of the film, so that you know, Leonard Nimoy would actually be in it to play off of Kirk and McCoy.

I'm stunned that five is a personal favorite of yours.  I haven't seen it in a long time so I won't presume to debate you.  Although I may have to watch it so I can come back here and be a troll.   ;D

Three isn't a stinker to me but it has a lot of problems.   On the plus side showing Earth outside of Starfleet was fun as was the stealing of the Enterprise.  Christopher Lloyd was also a blast as Kruge.  Like Vigo said II,III and IV make a nice trilogy.

The main problem with the motion picture are the way too long shots of the Enterprise.  They decided to break the rules of Star Wars--which kept the effects shots brief--and return to the sins of 2001 a Space Odyssey.   It isn't a great movie but I do enjoy it.  It is closer to TOS in tone than all the other movies.

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« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2018, 10:25:08 am »
The only bad Trek was Voyager. There, I said it. I feel better.

Are you willing to go on record as saying Voyager is worse than Enterprise?

I'll say, Janeway used to drive me crazy, but a rewatch of the series in chronological order and I found it to be very enjoyable. It has an overall story arch, like DS9, that provided continuity and the character development gave a nice human aspect. I enjoyed it.

Oddly enough, when I built my R2D2, I watched Voyager from start to finish. Season 1, I was spending 90% of my time building R2, and 10% to watching the show. By the last season, I was 100% watching the show, lol.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2018, 11:07:56 am »
love voyager  :)

the borg are in it loads.. what's not to like?

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« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2018, 01:34:00 pm »
In one of Shatners books he said that he got handcuffed by studio execs on the ending of the movie. He needed more money for the ending he wanted. He could have made that up, but that is the reason he provided. I liked 5 as well. The row, row, row your boat scenes were among my favorites in all of Trek.


There are actually storyboards and some effects-free test shots to back him up.  He definately had a more grand ending in mind.


Yeah my point exactly.  Star Trek isn't Star Wars.... you aren't there to see lightsaber battles or grand space dogfights.... it's all about row, row, row your boat.  The TOS films, yes even three, all further character development, particularly between Kirk, Spock and McCoy.  By the time six rolls around, a crew that was quite splintered in the first film is again inseparable and people guilty about not making time for a family realize that they had one all along.  The only really odd thing is the fact that Kirk doesn't seem to give a crap about his dead son in four and five, but I suppose that would have kind of been a bummer in the light-hearted voyage home. 


Voyager was a great show burdened by some of the worst episodes in the franchise.  Nobody remembers the Q civil war or the numerous borg battles, they remember that episode where going past warp 10 turned Tom and Janeway into space salamanders and they porked and had a litter of tadpoles.  It is a great series.... it just grows it's beard in season 4 or 5 instead of 2 or 3 as per usual.  Enterprise is actually great as well assuming you completely ignore the Xindi war arc which was really inappropriate. It gets MUCH better in those final episodes.  The series finale kinda blew though.  They couldn't help it though as they got cancelled out of nowhere.

The only Star Trek I can honestly say isn't worth a watch are the first two Kelvin movies and Discovery. 

Well... Discovery had two or three good episodes if you can ignore all the canon breaking, ill-advised set design, costume changes and all the other garbage they screwed up.  And it looks like they aren't going to do a very good job explaining the changes considering Captain Pike is going to take command in season two and he wears a proper TOS uniform while everyone else we've seen in the series on any ship up to this point wears those bland blue jumpsuits because......reasons??

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« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2018, 04:36:08 pm »
What was the one with the fonz and the hot vulcan?  Did she ever get naked?


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« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2018, 04:45:13 pm »
What was the one with the fonz and the hot vulcan?  Did she ever get naked?

Do you mean Enterprise?  Yes, yes she does. 

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« Reply #58 on: August 12, 2018, 07:53:25 pm »
Search for Spock had great visuals in the Enterprise theft scene. No reason to look real-er than that. I was mixed about III as a kid (and I didn't care for Kluge), though at the end of II I thought it was obvious the possibility of Spock rejuvenating, especially with Kirk's final log entry. I watched III recently-ish, and found it more entertaining.

I've thought V was awful. Even then I thought, 'they have these essentially psychic powers, and they haven't developed them?....'

The Motion Picture is a great Star Trek episode that wasn't.
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« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2018, 06:25:34 pm »
So how do they teleport with mushrooms?  I'm so confused.

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« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2018, 11:41:41 pm »
So how do they teleport with mushrooms?  I'm so confused.


That's one of my main gripes with Discovery.  Yes it's all made-up techno-babble, but on previous series it always at least sounded like it could be based on science.  Discovery went full Doctor Who.... "yes we can teleport because of spores and the reason is.... hey look over there at that explosion!  no time to explain!"

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« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2018, 08:32:28 am »
That's one of my main gripes with Discovery.  Yes it's all made-up techno-babble, but on previous series it always at least sounded like it could be based on science.  Discovery went full Doctor Who.... "yes we can teleport because of spores and the reason is.... hey look over there at that explosion!  no time to explain!"

That sounds suspiciously like Midi-chlorians.

I loved Next Generation but it seemed like every episode was ended with a "tachyon burst" or "redirecting the sensor array" to solve a problem.  But yeah it at least felt like science.




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« Reply #63 on: August 15, 2018, 05:08:59 pm »
That sounds suspiciously like Midi-chlorians.

I loved Next Generation but it seemed like every episode was ended with a "tachyon burst" or "redirecting the sensor array" to solve a problem.  But yeah it at least felt like science.

TNG had its midichlorian moment when they attempted an in-universe explanation for why all alien races were bipedal humanoids.  They gave credence to the concept of intelligent design and undercut the science of biological evolution in the most unnecessary Star Trek episode ever.
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« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2018, 01:13:21 pm »
They gave credence to the concept of intelligent design and undercut the science of biological evolution in the most unnecessary Star Trek episode ever.

 :laugh2: I love how that seemingly offends you, being that Star Trek upends current limited scientific knowledge on a regular basis, and science is meant to be upended. The episode I think you were referring was more taking on the theory of panspermia, that organic carbon can survive in space and seed life on other planets if they are hospitable. Being that we are now finding in tact DNA on the exterior of the ISS, there is at least some plausibility to that theory.

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« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2018, 01:38:27 pm »
They gave credence to the concept of intelligent design and undercut the science of biological evolution in the most unnecessary Star Trek episode ever.

 :laugh2: I love how that seemingly offends you, being that Star Trek upends current limited scientific knowledge on a regular basis, and science is meant to be upended.
Your last phrase is kinda true in a general sense, but if you're specifically suggesting that the theory of evolution is just as likely to be "upended" as any dawn-of-science, virtually untested hypotheses which were disproven once they were investigated in earnest, then you are 100% wrong.
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« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2018, 03:30:39 pm »
Actually Star Trek's  alien races are quite inaccurate.  Ask any exobiologistÖ the odds of multiple races that all look basically the same and yet come from different planets with different flora and fauna, not to mention differences in gravity and ect. is quite low.  Regardless, that particular episode does NOT go against the theory of evolution but rather supports it.  Remember Darwin and all of those birds with their widely different adaptations on similar islands?  Yeah in this case the "birds" are a common humanoid ancestor and the "islands" are various M-Class planets in the galaxy.  Remember, those strange aliens weren't a fictional god, but rather a different alien species. 

Read what Vigo said... panspermia has some merit even if it is unlikely.

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« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2018, 04:04:10 pm »
I was pretty sure exactly this would happen...

At that point in the post, vigo was addressing the idea that even if ST "upended" evolution, then etc... That is what I responded to. Even then, I was clear that I was factoring ST out of the question, as he appeared to do as well.

This is independent of his later idea of "by the way, that episode wasn't really about intelligent design."  I wasn't talking about that part at all.

I'm not much of a ST fan, but as a comics and science geek, the preponderence of humanoid life forms has always bugged me. I've tried to justify this in my head-canon, but ID is really the only answer, and I say this as an atheist. But ID doesn't have to have the same implications in a fantasy world that it does IRL. It doesn't even have to be supernatural.
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« Reply #68 on: August 16, 2018, 04:13:02 pm »
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Yeah in this case the "birds" are a common humanoid ancestor and the "islands" are various M-Class planets
Depending on the details, this explanation has the potential to be very stupid, or the best play they could make with a bad hand (other than hand-waving, which is sometimes the best option) Is this supposed to include accounting for humans being humanoid?
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« Reply #69 on: August 16, 2018, 04:56:34 pm »
The preponderance of humanoid aliens wasn't because its easy to just put a human actor in make up for a TV show?
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« Reply #70 on: August 16, 2018, 05:14:07 pm »
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« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2018, 05:29:30 pm »
Editing out your question before I can reply. Nice.

How does that work in-universe?

My answer didn't consider any in-universe explanation.  Technological limits during TOS , and likely costs of a weekly TV show using modern technology are what keep the majority of the cast and aliens "humanoid".
The Orville (which is an obvious homage to Star Trek) does have 1 non humanoid alien but even it speaks perfect English (as well as Norm McDonald does at least) and has lips.

So I can't really answer your "in universe" question except to say they can only do so much with an explanation when the limit isn't the writing, but in the production.
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« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2018, 06:08:47 pm »
:laugh2: I love how that seemingly offends you, being that Star Trek upends current limited scientific knowledge on a regular basis, and science is meant to be upended.

Not so much offended as just perplexed. The stuff in TNG (biology-related at least) blatantly contradicts a lot of already known biological science. While science is certainly meant to be ever-changing, there's a difference between gaining new, more accurate knowledge versus stating stuff that is just blatantly wrong. TNG falls in the latter.

On top of that, it's so unnecessary. We know why all alien races in Star Trek are humanoid. It's called budget (or lack thereof). No in-universe explanation was necessary.

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The episode I think you were referring was more taking on the theory of panspermia, that organic carbon can survive in space and seed life on other planets if they are hospitable. Being that we are now finding in tact DNA on the exterior of the ISS, there is at least some plausibility to that theory.

It's panspermia, but with a huge element of directed design built in. If the Earth really was seeded via microbes from space, any subsequent evolution of life would be largely directed by the environment. But this doesn't mean that a bipedal humanoid is going to be a guaranteed outcome; far from it.

What they are effectively arguing is for some sort of genetic front-loading that leads to specific outcomes over billions of years, which flies in the face of everything we know about evolution. They really are arguing for intelligent design.

edited to add: I looked up the episode; they talk about a genetic "program" being embedded in DNA guiding evolution to humanoid forms.
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« Reply #73 on: August 16, 2018, 07:36:06 pm »
What they are effectively arguing is for some sort of genetic front-loading that leads to specific outcomes over billions of years, which flies in the face of everything we know about evolution. They really are arguing for intelligent design.

edited to add: I looked up the episode; they talk about a genetic "program" being embedded in DNA guiding evolution to humanoid forms.

Does that scare you? I don't see the issue. Maybe there is a known state in shared DNA for an ideal genetic form, which would make for most races being humanoid, but the ones from more hospitable climates have softer features. Harsher planets have humanoids with ridges, horns, heir, flappers, sharp teeth, etc. It is upending science as we know it, but no different than something like sling-shotting around a sun or stuff found in practically every episode. You act like our current concepts of genetics are dogma.  :dunno

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« Reply #74 on: August 16, 2018, 07:47:27 pm »
Editing out your question before I can reply. Nice.

How does that work in-universe?

My answer didn't consider any in-universe explanation.  Technological limits during TOS , and likely costs of a weekly TV show using modern technology are what keep the majority of the cast and aliens "humanoid".
The Orville (which is an obvious homage to Star Trek) does have 1 non humanoid alien but even it speaks perfect English (as well as Norm McDonald does at least) and has lips.

So I can't really answer your "in universe" question except to say they can only do so much with an explanation when the limit isn't the writing, but in the production.
You can't really believe this is news to anyone. The only way the question of "why so many humanoids?" makes sense is to ask it in-universe. It is implausible that you ever encountered anyone who didn't know the real reason why so many characters on sci-fi shows are humanoid. 
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« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2018, 07:54:13 pm »
What they are effectively arguing is for some sort of genetic front-loading that leads to specific outcomes over billions of years, which flies in the face of everything we know about evolution. They really are arguing for intelligent design.

edited to add: I looked up the episode; they talk about a genetic "program" being embedded in DNA guiding evolution to humanoid forms.

Does that scare you? I don't see the issue. Maybe there is a known state in shared DNA for an ideal genetic form, which would make for most races being humanoid, but the ones from more hospitable climates have softer features. Harsher planets have humanoids with ridges, horns, heir, flappers, sharp teeth, etc. It is upending science as we know it, but no different than something like sling-shotting around a sun or stuff found in practically every episode. You act like our current concepts of genetics are dogma.  :dunno
You're switching back and forth from "Sci-fi always plays fast and loose with real science, so what?" and "This idea is not implausible, given real science", in the same breath, even. As far as you are committed to the second thought, you've apparently got some wrong ideas, but we can't be sure unless you express them more coherently.
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« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2018, 08:19:45 pm »
there's a difference between gaining new, more accurate knowledge versus stating stuff that is just blatantly wrong. TNG falls in the latter.
Be careful. He's saying "wrong doesn't matter" and then saying "it's not wrong". It sounds like you're only talking about the latter. I suggest dismissing him when he argues the former.

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It's panspermia, but with a huge element of directed design built in. If the Earth really was seeded via microbes from space, any subsequent evolution of life would be largely directed by the environment.
Guarding against mutation is the more problematic issue with pre-programmed genetics meant to run out over the course of billions of years.
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« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2018, 08:31:02 pm »
You're switching back and forth from "Sci-fi always plays fast and loose with real science, so what?" and "This idea not is implausible, given real science", in the same breath, even. As far as you are committed to the second thought, you've apparently got some wrong ideas, but we can't be sure unless you express them more coherently.


You obviously don't know what the term "Science Fiction" means.   ::)   

Science Fiction, especially in Star Trek sense, doesn't mean it is building stories to support currently accepted scientific theory. Quite the contrary. True Science Fiction explores the science and potential of any idea, often the less accepted the better, but puts a scientific reasoning behind it to show us potential and expand our thinking. Food Replicators, teleporters, warp speed, cloaking devices. They were never based on existing science but there is a reality built around them. Suddenly the impossible can be explored as possible. Which is why I find it hilarious that you both seem to have a hard time accepting that episode.


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« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2018, 08:35:03 pm »
Does that scare you? I don't see the issue.

It's just silly (i.e. fantasy).

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Maybe there is a known state in shared DNA for an ideal genetic form, which would make for most races being humanoid, but the ones from more hospitable climates have softer features. Harsher planets have humanoids with ridges, horns, heir, flappers, sharp teeth, etc. It is upending science as we know it, but no different than something like sling-shotting around a sun or stuff found in practically every episode. You act like our current concepts of genetics are dogma.  :dunno

It's not that our current knowledge is dogma. It's that we'd have to unlearn a whole lot of what we already know to accommodate such explanations on the show.

It's also ends up being the single most profound in-universe revelation that everyone completely forgets about by the next episode. I mean, finding out that human origins is due to ancient alien genetic engineering. That's huge. And it ends up being a disposable explanation for why aliens in the show are just people with things glued to their faces.

I think more than anything it's the latter point that really bugs me about it. It's an episode that should never have happened. Just like the midichlorian scene in Phantom Menace.

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« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2018, 08:38:37 pm »
Guarding against mutation is the more problematic issue with pre-programmed genetics meant to run out over the course of billions of years.

Not to mention the very reason we're here today is due to numerous extinction events in the past. Lucky thing, that.

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« Reply #80 on: August 16, 2018, 08:40:31 pm »
Now we're arguing about the definition of true science fiction.  Classic.

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« Reply #81 on: August 16, 2018, 08:44:19 pm »
Star Trek has always been firmly in the science fantasy category to me...
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« Reply #82 on: August 16, 2018, 09:01:03 pm »
It's not that our current knowledge is dogma. It's that we'd have to unlearn a whole lot of what we already know to accommodate such explanations on the show.

Really? What is so entrenched in you that you have to unlearn that was so hard? To watch the show in general you have to unlearn our current understanding of space travel, time, matter, intelligence, medicine, etc...our understanding of how DNA works doesn't seem to be any different, especially given it is still a very untapped science that we are still struggling to learn more about.

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« Reply #83 on: August 16, 2018, 09:04:04 pm »
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« Reply #84 on: August 16, 2018, 09:08:56 pm »
Now we're arguing about the definition of true science fiction.  Classic.

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« Reply #85 on: August 16, 2018, 09:12:28 pm »
Now we're arguing about the definition of true science fiction.  Classic.

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« Reply #86 on: August 16, 2018, 10:40:21 pm »
Really? What is so entrenched in you that you have to unlearn that was so hard? To watch the show in general you have to unlearn our current understanding of space travel, time, matter, intelligence, medicine, etc...our understanding of how DNA works doesn't seem to be any different, especially given it is still a very untapped science that we are still struggling to learn more about.

Are you trying to argue that we should just suspend our disbelief and enjoy it? Or are you trying to argue that it could be scientifically plausible what they are depicting?

The former I'm fine with. Because a lot of stuff in Star Trek makes no sense and just seems to exist for the convenience of the plot. The latter though is just silly. The show is not pushing plausible science; they're simply invoking a technobabble solution for an in-universe explanation for their budgetary constraints.

Now do I really need to start getting into genetics, evolution, and the diversity of life to explain why it's a silly idea?
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« Reply #87 on: August 16, 2018, 11:49:36 pm »
Star Trek is science fiction, period, end of story, it isn't up for debate.  They had nasa consultants working with the tng showrunners for quite a while to make sure that the science of the day at least seemed accurate or plausible even if the explanation given isn't exactly scientific fact.  Of course they did stuff that most likely isn't possible and explained a lot of stuff wrong.... that's where the "fiction" in science fiction comes from.  Many of the underlying principals in the show are factually accurate though, or at least were factually plausible at the time.  Much of the tech in the show, for example, is now actual stuff that you have in your living room and use everyday.  Transporters.... yup some scientists have managed to "teleport" a few atoms across a room.  Scifi isn't about what is, it's about what potentially could be. 

Science fantasy are shows like Doctor Who, where they have flying sharks because flying sharks are cool, or Star Wars, where they don't even bother to attempt to explain how most stuff works, ect...

I've said my piece and now I'm leaving this thread as a warp core breach between you two seems imminent.

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« Reply #88 on: August 17, 2018, 12:42:20 am »
Are you trying to argue that we should just suspend our disbelief and enjoy it? Or are you trying to argue that it could be scientifically plausible what they are depicting?

Neither. I'm asking what had to be "unlearned" to watch that episode. You should neither need to suspend disbelief nor call it scientifically plausible as written. Star trek invented things like the cloaking device, where its scientific explanation would not work according to "real science" as drake calls it in a manner that would fool ship sensors, yet here we are in 2018 with some cloaking technologies surfacing based on completely different technology.

Now do I really need to start getting into genetics, evolution, and the diversity of life to explain why it's a silly idea?

What I find silly is you picking that apart when there are dozens of creatures, races and entities that defy those genetic theories far more than that episode. The puddle thing that killed Tasha, Rock people, fire entities, cloud creatures. Every effin planet is a desolate wasteland with no flora or fauna but a single race living there? I guess that's fine, but writing an episode about a DNA being spread between planets systems ruins the show? That just doesn't add up.

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« Reply #89 on: August 17, 2018, 07:38:14 am »
Scifi isn't about what is, it's about what potentially could be. 
You completely ignored the question. This particular idea can't potentially be. NASA and teleportation have nothing to do with it. Get back to me when you can tell me which rigidly-tested theory your teleportation upended.

Jumping into the fray without any relevant substance doesn't mean you're above the fray. It just means you jumped into the fray without any relevant substance.
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« Reply #90 on: August 17, 2018, 11:12:47 am »
It's a TV show, and ultimately what aired is not the vision of Roddenberry or even the show's writers, it's the vision of the producers who had to make sure the show would fit in the bounds of the budget and time allotments and ultimately the goal was to keep viewers interested long enough to watch commercials, not to push the bounds of science with revolutionary ideas.

If I had to bet on what was more important during the filming of the episode in question: whether the science fiction is factual enough to suspend disbelief or whether the bagels on set are fresh today, my money is on the bagels.

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« Reply #91 on: August 17, 2018, 11:44:23 am »
Scifi isn't about what is, it's about what potentially could be. 
You completely ignored the question. This particular idea can't potentially be.

This is why I laugh. For being a person of "real science" that response is so close minded. Science thrives on being disproven. If this idea can't possibly be, why has NASA and Space agencies across the globe putting money and time in researching it? Check out things like the Tanpopo Mission. While you are at it, watch the Hospital scene from Star Trek 4, which is a great metaphor for my entire point.

As for Howards point, it was perfectly on topic, he gets it.

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« Reply #92 on: August 17, 2018, 02:49:35 pm »
I dunno...the series would be pretty boring if every episode was "stardate 40246.5 we have left the Gamma Fallopian system after looking for signs of life...nothing found yet" *rolls credits*

accuracy or interesting story

pick one.  :dunno

we had our fair share of tribbles and dog dressed up as "aliens" not so good Gene.

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« Reply #93 on: August 17, 2018, 02:54:02 pm »
I've never seen Star Trek Discovery but was able to grok Howard's point about the transporter.    :dunno

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« Reply #94 on: August 17, 2018, 05:15:14 pm »
Fair enough, I didn't watch Enterprise, so I don't know. :)

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« Reply #96 on: August 17, 2018, 05:29:52 pm »
Scifi isn't about what is, it's about what potentially could be. 
You completely ignored the question. This particular idea can't potentially be.

This is why I laugh. For being a person of "real science" that response is so close minded. Science thrives on being disproven. If this idea can't possibly be, why has NASA and Space agencies across the globe putting money and time in researching it? Check out things like the Tanpopo Mission. While you are at it, watch the Hospital scene from Star Trek 4, which is a great metaphor for my entire point
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« Reply #97 on: August 18, 2018, 05:21:42 pm »
...If this idea can't possibly be, why has NASA and Space agencies across the globe putting money and time in researching it?


Because being involved means social exposure, probably funding - and because all the old guys died off.

Science fiction, from Verne and Wells was about man and his journey into the unknown through technological means. Even the likes of E.E. Doc Smith was based in this. At least some of the early science fiction TV shows were - before the paranoia of 'progress' set in, in the late 50s. At least one story writer has said along the lines of, 'the world gives complex conditions for man to find himself through.....ignoring that in fiction cheats and bankrupts man and his story'.

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« Reply #98 on: August 23, 2018, 01:51:03 am »
Been watching Voyager... This moment from Future's End Pt 2 made me smile...

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« Reply #99 on: August 23, 2018, 08:16:01 pm »
I never understood why Voyager gets so much ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. I guess it has some week cast memebers, more like just forgetable but it aslo had some strong ones as well.


Tuvok I thought played the best Vulcan since Leonard Nimoy himself.

Kathryn Janeway great captain never once did you ever question her sex.

The Doctor was great,

Seven of nine was pretty good and hot.

k thats it, but it also had the best intro

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« Reply #100 on: August 23, 2018, 10:10:05 pm »
I want to like voyager, but itís just that Janeway is so unlikeable.

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« Reply #101 on: August 23, 2018, 11:16:59 pm »
Any school Marm hotness that Janeway had was instantly destroyed by her voice. It was like Urkel after chain smoking 3 packs of cigarettes.  :scared

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« Reply #102 on: August 23, 2018, 11:35:20 pm »
I don't get what people's issue with her voice is.... just sounds like a normal older lady to me. 

She was one of the more badass captains.  Just watched that episode with the borg children where Janeway orders the Doctor to prepare a biological weapon to kill said children WHILE HOLDING A BORG INFANT IN HER HANDS.  That's even more cold-blooded than Sisko. 

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« Reply #103 on: August 24, 2018, 12:27:22 am »
I don't get what people's issue with her voice is.... just sounds like a normal older lady to me. 

She was one of the more badass captains.  Just watched that episode with the borg children where Janeway orders the Doctor to prepare a biological weapon to kill said children WHILE HOLDING A BORG INFANT IN HER HANDS.  That's even more cold-blooded than Sisko.

Probably Cuz she was only 40 when she took on the role of Janeway. too young in my book to be sounding like you should be offering dollar store hard candies to children.  ;D

In reality, I didn't mind her from a character standpoint. She was actually pretty good. What bugged me was the trifecta of bland: Harry Kim, Tom Paris and Chacote. They all seemed to be lacking in leading personality and character. I failed to care about any of them. I never felt they brought any consistent tenson, opposing personalities, or real chemistry. I know there are episodes that exhibit their personality, but the next episode they become yes men to Janeway because the writers are busy exploring a different character and can't be bothered developing multiple characters at once.

The other nail in the coffin for me was the fact the series took place completely outside of federation space. More borg, but it brought it down a peg when Starfleet really didn't mean a whole lot to the show. You also felt like nothing is really going to seriously damage the ship that couldn't be repaired by next episode, because they couldn't ever end an episode with them stranded.

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« Reply #104 on: August 24, 2018, 01:14:35 am »
Chacote and Kim could be replaced by cardboard cutouts and nobody would notice, but Tom is nothing but personality.  Mind you his personality is 90% --cream-filled twinkie--, but it works for him. 


I think you are confusing personality with arguing.  They did that a lot on TNG.... Worf wanted to blow everything up, Riker wanted to take the risker plan, data wouldn't shut up about the technobabble and Picard played daddy to sort it all out and take a reasonable plan of action.  Everybody pretty much got along on Voyager so there was very little conflict.  I think that's fine and I think the fact that they just have standard TNG-style episodes are fine as well. 


That doesn't mean I don't think the show wasted it's potential though.  Most of the things brought up in the pilot are dropped and seldom addressed again.  The ship has neural gel packs for data storage.... and I comes up in one episode.  Half the crew is maquis the other Starfleet and yet it's seldom brought up with the crew pretty much fully integrated by the first half of the first season.  They don't have the federation to back them up and yet they don't seem to have any problem getting out of crazy situations, including multiple borg encounters. 


Those are all problems that keep the show from being exceptional, but there is a difference between being bad and just not being outstanding.  Voyager does the whole episode of the week thing with typical star trek plots and that makes it a good show, just like enterprise and ds9 and even non star trek shows like Andromeda, Babylon 5, Stargate and Farscape.  Somewhere along the line TNG became it's own genre and most of the episodic scifi since has followed that template.  My point is it's hard to stand out when every space odyssey on tv is basically doing the same thing. 

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« Reply #105 on: August 24, 2018, 10:11:44 am »
Speaking of forgettable cast members remember her?



Of course not I looked it up she was in the first 3 seasons Voyager and you would instantly forget her the second she was off the screen.


On the flip side remember her?




Everyone does she actually left the show the second season of Next Gen asking to be killed off because she literally was not doing anything and wanted to find other acting jobs; i guess you either have it or you don't.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #106 on: August 24, 2018, 10:55:42 am »
Kes went nuts and was arrested a couple years ago.

Denise Crosby is just an actress that you would see in a bit part once in a while after TNG. The largest role I can remember seeing her in outside of Star Trek was Pet Sematary.

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« Reply #107 on: August 24, 2018, 01:42:41 pm »
I remember them both just fine.  Tasha had a number of memorable episodes, including that mildly racist one on the Africa planet.  Kes was a bit more bland, but she was the doctor's pet... err I mean nurse and I don't think anyone can get the mental image of her and Neelix as a couple out of their head.  (ewe!)

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #108 on: August 27, 2018, 01:38:04 pm »
I watched Into Darkness last night, which wouldn't be notable except it was one of my first "movie nights" with some friends in the new theater, which is 95% finished now and fully operational.  I have to say, in my opinion, the best scene in all of Star Trek is the one you are watching in 4k on a 150" wide screen with 21,000 watts of power for the sound system.  Pretty friggin awesome and hard to beat. 


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« Reply #109 on: August 27, 2018, 01:41:18 pm »
I watched Into Darkness last night, which wouldn't be notable except it was one of my first "movie nights" with some friends in the new theater, which is 95% finished now and fully operational.  I have to say, in my opinion, the best scene in all of Star Trek is the one you are watching in 4k on a 150" wide screen with 21,000 watts of power for the sound system.  Pretty friggin awesome and hard to beat. 



That could be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Are you a robot or something?

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« Reply #110 on: August 27, 2018, 01:42:27 pm »
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« Reply #111 on: August 27, 2018, 03:13:06 pm »
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« Reply #112 on: August 27, 2018, 03:19:57 pm »
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« Reply #113 on: August 27, 2018, 03:37:36 pm »
*Ond throws cat bomb amongst pigeons*  Star Trek has no best scenes, get The Expanse or GTFO. *Ond runs away giggling hysterically like Jennifer*
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« Reply #114 on: August 27, 2018, 04:28:53 pm »
*Ond throws cat bomb amongst pigeons*  Star Trek has no best scenes, get The Expanse or GTFO. *Ond runs away giggling hysterically like Jennifer*

I recently finished the latest Expanse book and am looking forward to starting the show.   :cheers:

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« Reply #115 on: August 27, 2018, 05:38:29 pm »
*Ond throws cat bomb amongst pigeons*  Star Trek has no best scenes, get The Expanse or GTFO. *Ond runs away giggling hysterically like Jennifer*

I recently finished the latest Expanse book and am looking forward to starting the show.   :cheers:

I really envy you.  I wish I was discovering it for the first time just now.
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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #116 on: August 27, 2018, 07:10:38 pm »
The expanse is really good, but it's no Star Trek.  After allÖ it got cancelled  (*throws dog bomb at cat bomb*)

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« Reply #117 on: August 27, 2018, 07:21:47 pm »
 :cheers:  erhm isnt Amazon picking up season 4 hmm?  I could be wrong of course.
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« Reply #118 on: August 27, 2018, 07:46:08 pm »
I love the Expanse...there was a part near the end of the first season that I felt there was a major shift in tone. Like they went darker at some point (perhaps after losing the contract with SyFy). 
The Expanse is another sci-fi universe they were able to make the science seem plausible. Unlike Star Trek Discovery that turned more into fantasy than sci-fi...which is fine, if you like that sort of thing. It's not my cup o' tea though. I rather have sci-fi that seems like it stems from logic, rather than "magic".

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« Reply #119 on: August 27, 2018, 09:27:02 pm »
:cheers:  erhm isnt Amazon picking up season 4 hmm?  I could be wrong of course.


Still got cancelled, so it counts. 


Not sure how Discovery got into the mix.  Everybody knows that the latest Star Trek show is called "The Orville"  :)

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« Reply #120 on: August 28, 2018, 12:25:03 pm »
He waves around his home theater dick any chance he gets.
Well, I don't have a hooch making dick or a coke points dick to wave around, so I make due with what I have. 

The last 8 months of my life have been building this theater and working upwards of 90 hours a week when not working on it, so everything I can relate to lately either has to do with work or this one project.  So I apologize if I relate my posts to this elephant in my life.


That being said, in my opinion anything with video and audio is influenced heavily by HOW you watch it.  When you watch on a smaller screen with basic sound, you don't get anything from the cinematics or soundtrack, which only leaves the story.  A TV series will show a story that has far deeper meaning if you have spent time watching to get to know the characters and the background stories, and will usually forgo the cinematics and soundtrack because it is rarely watched on a big screen.  Movies usually rely on 90-120 minutes to build the background, build the characters, and make you care about the story all while entertaining and immersing you in the eye and ear candy.  It's hard to compare the two types of media, and even harder when comparing in the wrong viewing environment. 

A well filmed movie scene with good cinematics and sound in the right viewing environment will always come across better than a scene from a TV series in the same environment.  I was reminded of that when watching Into Darkness the other night.  Every action scene was "better" than anything listed in this thread, at least to me.   

And I also believe the opposite.  Watch the OP scene on a small screen with basic sound and it won't hold a candle to a scene that struck a chord in you and stuck with you for decades from the TV series.

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« Reply #121 on: August 28, 2018, 12:34:21 pm »
Your explanation is even dumber than your original dumb post.

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« Reply #122 on: August 28, 2018, 01:59:26 pm »
If you're the type of person that judges the quality of a show based on the size of the screen you're watching it on, then you shouldn't be in this discussion --  because shiny things may distract you.

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« Reply #123 on: August 28, 2018, 02:06:32 pm »
21000W,  Meh I've slept through louder.

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« Reply #124 on: August 28, 2018, 02:36:53 pm »
Eh... there is some merit in what dkersten is saying (coming from someone with a fancy home theater in his basement heh).  We watched Jumanji (the new one) a few weeks ago in 4K with the 7.2.4 Atmos firing on all cylinders and the buttkickers shaking the seats and I swear to god that movie is awesome.  I doubt I would feel that way if I had seen it on an airplane or something.  I know it isn't a great movie but watching it was a great experience.  In fact, every single movie I've watched in my theater seems better than it actually is.  The other night we watched Iron Man 2 and the entire family agreed it was WAY better than we all remembered.  Even TV like Stranger Things and A Series of Unfortunate Events seem totally epic. 

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« Reply #125 on: August 28, 2018, 02:40:22 pm »
Yeah I don't get this line of argument.  Movies are better in the theater than at home--but a nice home theater setup with a big screen certainly improves the experience.  If money and time were no object I'd see everything possible in IMAX.

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« Reply #126 on: August 28, 2018, 02:42:47 pm »
Well then perhaps The Academy should be watching Micheal Bay movies on IMAX screens so they'd get nominated for Best Picture/Director/Screenplay...   ::)

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« Reply #127 on: August 28, 2018, 02:43:36 pm »
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I have to say, in my opinion, the best scene in all of Star Trek is the one you are watching in 4k on a 150" wide screen with 21,000 watts of power for the sound system.  Pretty friggin awesome and hard to beat. 

Read his statement again. Not his lame backtrack explanation.

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« Reply #128 on: August 28, 2018, 02:45:20 pm »
Bingo.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #129 on: August 28, 2018, 04:06:38 pm »
A good movie is a good movie regardless of the format.  The good Star Trek films were enjoyable via vhs on a crappy $200 25 incher. 

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« Reply #130 on: August 28, 2018, 04:21:44 pm »
A good movie is a good movie regardless of the format.  The good Star Trek films were enjoyable via vhs on a crappy $200 25 incher.

Not only that, Iím finding most younger people today prefer watching movies on their phone or tablet as opposed to the TV.
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« Reply #131 on: August 28, 2018, 04:41:49 pm »
A good movie is a good movie regardless of the format.  The good Star Trek films were enjoyable via vhs on a crappy $200 25 incher.

I agree but isn't the same movie even more enjoyable with optimal picture, sound and comfortable seats?

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« Reply #132 on: August 28, 2018, 04:43:51 pm »
Most young people these days would rather watch people play with glue, or unwrap toys on YouTube than watch movies.

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« Reply #133 on: August 28, 2018, 04:56:26 pm »
What gets me is how many people are into watching others play video games on youtube rather than playing the games themselves.

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« Reply #134 on: August 28, 2018, 05:10:09 pm »
What gets me is how many people are into watching others play video games on youtube rather than playing the games themselves.

Until it clicks that they're doing the same thing we did when we were sitting on the couch and watching our friends play.


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« Reply #135 on: August 28, 2018, 05:11:55 pm »
What gets me is how many people are into watching others play video games on youtube rather than playing the games themselves.

Until it clicks that they're doing the same thing we did when we were sitting on the couch and watching our friends play.



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« Reply #136 on: August 28, 2018, 05:25:01 pm »
Millions of people watch sports instead of playing them. Nobody thinks its weird.

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« Reply #137 on: August 28, 2018, 05:27:40 pm »
A good movie is a good movie regardless of the format.  The good Star Trek films were enjoyable via vhs on a crappy $200 25 incher.

I agree but isn't the same movie even more enjoyable with optimal picture, sound and comfortable seats?

It certainly is.

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« Reply #138 on: August 28, 2018, 05:28:43 pm »
Millions of people watch sports instead of playing them. Nobody thinks its weird.

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« Reply #139 on: August 28, 2018, 05:37:22 pm »
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« Reply #140 on: August 28, 2018, 05:41:50 pm »
I definitely watch other people play games online. Especially for games I'm on-the-fence about. The last game I watched someone play was ZombiU, which I'm glad I did, because the game didn't look like something I would have been happy spending money on.

Games done quick, and other gaming charity events are something I also tune into.

Competitive gaming as well, like fighting game tournaments, gets a bunch of time especially while I'm at work and have it playing in the background as filler.  But now, I'm going to have to start tuning into those Madden tournaments for anything "eventful"... too soon?

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« Reply #141 on: August 28, 2018, 06:30:09 pm »
I enjoy watching Wil Wheaton review board games on Tabletop.... wait, what was the topic of this thread again? 

Is a movie a good movie because the studio say's it is (i.e accountants)...or collective opinion says it is? - Fans cried out for a renewal of The Expanse and a man with very much money (who is also a fan) heard them.  See what I did there?

Movies in a good cinema/home theatre/entertainment system ARE more enjoyable.  A good movie even more so. But so what, whats that got to do with the question? Eh?
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« Reply #142 on: August 28, 2018, 10:06:25 pm »
A good movie is a good movie regardless of the format.  The good Star Trek films were enjoyable via vhs on a crappy $200 25 incher.

I agree but isn't the same movie even more enjoyable with optimal picture, sound and comfortable seats?

Yes but it doesn't magically make the bad ones good. 

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« Reply #143 on: August 28, 2018, 11:00:32 pm »
Yes but it doesn't magically make the bad ones good.

I guess he'll have to watch that train wreck called the last jedi and let us know. At least he can see Adam Driver's nipples in 4K.
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« Reply #144 on: August 29, 2018, 12:22:33 am »
Yeah what the hell was up with that movie?  I've heard of pointless plots that end dark, but it bends the limits of what a properly structured film can be.  "Yeah remember all that stuff you did through the whole film and was supposed to be the point of the whole damn movie?  Yeah none of that mattered and everybody anyone cared about is going to die.  And I shot your dog."

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« Reply #145 on: August 29, 2018, 09:18:28 am »
A good movie is a good movie regardless of the format.  The good Star Trek films were enjoyable via vhs on a crappy $200 25 incher.

I agree but isn't the same movie even more enjoyable with optimal picture, sound and comfortable seats?

Yes but it doesn't magically make the bad ones good.

No but the experience of watching a bad movie is better - it almost never seems like a complete waste of time no matter the movie.  We've probably watched 50 or so by now and the only one that was god awful was Pee Wee's Big Adventure.  Field of Dreams was close to god awful but everything else was OK to great.  Even The Last Jedi was OK (it gets worse and worse with each viewing though... it's a bad movie and might be the worst Star Wars movie including the prequels... well, except for Episode II).

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« Reply #146 on: August 29, 2018, 09:26:31 am »
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the only one that was god awful was Pee Wee's Big Adventure.  Field of Dreams was close to god awful but everything else was OK to great.  Even The Last Jedi was OK

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« Reply #147 on: August 29, 2018, 10:21:54 am »
Millions of people watch sports instead of playing them. Nobody thinks its weird.

Sports are the secular glue that keeps society together.

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« Reply #148 on: August 29, 2018, 10:25:33 am »
Millions of people watch sports instead of playing them. Nobody thinks its weird.

Sports are the secular glue that keeps society together.

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« Reply #149 on: August 29, 2018, 11:18:29 am »
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the only one that was god awful was Pee Wee's Big Adventure.  Field of Dreams was close to god awful but everything else was OK to great.  Even The Last Jedi was OK

You are dead to me.

haha which one?  I thought I loved Pee Wee's Big Adventure and Field of Dreams but have you seen them lately?  Pure crap.  Pee Wee's Big Adventure is so stupid and didn't even appeal to my kids.  I don't think anyone laughed once.  Field of Dreams is a movie I thought was so good and meant something as a teenager, etc. but it is actually really bad and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. 

The Last Jedi we can debate forever.  I thought it was good but seriously flawed when I first saw it but it gets worse and worse the more I watch it (and think about it).  It is a bad movie but the action and special effects are good and I'm easy to please.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #150 on: August 29, 2018, 01:22:01 pm »
I watched Pee Wee's big adventure a month ago. Laughed ---my bottom--- off. If you can't appreciate that movie anymore, then something got broken inside you.  :dunno

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #151 on: August 29, 2018, 01:29:54 pm »
I definitely watch other people play games online. Especially for games I'm on-the-fence about. The last game I watched someone play was ZombiU, which I'm glad I did, because the game didn't look like something I would have been happy spending money on.

Games done quick, and other gaming charity events are something I also tune into.

Competitive gaming as well, like fighting game tournaments, gets a bunch of time especially while I'm at work and have it playing in the background as filler.  But now, I'm going to have to start tuning into those Madden tournaments for anything "eventful"... too soon?

That's different that what I was referring to. Apart from how-tos, play-thoughs, tournament stuff, tips and tricks, etc. There seems to be endless videos of some kid playing sandbox games like Minecraft. Nothing extraordinary, just playing the game. My kids are into that and I am just like, "Uh. Wanna play the real thing??" No, they just want to watch some random kid do it better.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #152 on: August 29, 2018, 02:06:34 pm »
I know what the problem is Javeryh. You didn't have the volume up high enough and your screen was too small. ;)

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #153 on: August 29, 2018, 03:33:41 pm »
I watched Pee Wee's big adventure a month ago. Laughed ---my bottom--- off. If you can't appreciate that movie anymore, then something got broken inside you.  :dunno

I guess I'm broken but that wouldn't surprise me.  I'm mostly dead inside anyway.   :dunno

We also watched Billy Madison and I was embarrassed in front of my kids for ever thinking it was funny.  There were some laughs but Adam Sandler is a dope and I completely understand why my parents didn't get it.

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« Reply #154 on: August 29, 2018, 04:09:41 pm »
Hah, I'm on the same page about Billy Madison. A few laughs, but mostly a waste. It sits somewhere in the early Jim Carrey films with me. Probably above The Mask but below Ace Ventura.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #155 on: August 29, 2018, 04:36:11 pm »
I feel like the only person in the world that liked Pixels and didn't like Wreck it Ralph.


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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #156 on: August 29, 2018, 11:04:28 pm »
I feel like the only person in the world that liked Pixels and didn't like Wreck it Ralph.

I'm sure there are people out there that have undergone some blunt force trauma to the head or something. 

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #157 on: August 30, 2018, 02:01:08 am »
Don't worry, I'm sure everyone will end up unified in hate over Wreck-it-Ralph 2. (Except those of us with large enough Home Theaters)

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« Reply #158 on: August 30, 2018, 04:24:59 pm »
Maybe but still impossible to be worse than what Adam Sandler has put out in the last 8 years.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #159 on: August 30, 2018, 09:15:20 pm »
Don't worry, I'm sure everyone will end up unified in hate over Wreck-it-Ralph 2. (Except those of us with large enough Home Theaters)

I dunno.  I'm annoyed that they've apparently dropped the whole inside an arcade thing really quick, but some of the interactions like the Disney Princesses seems interesting. 

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« Reply #160 on: August 31, 2018, 03:59:03 pm »
Eh... there is some merit in what dkersten is saying (coming from someone with a fancy home theater in his basement heh).  We watched Jumanji (the new one) a few weeks ago in 4K with the 7.2.4 Atmos firing on all cylinders and the buttkickers shaking the seats and I swear to god that movie is awesome.  I doubt I would feel that way if I had seen it on an airplane or something.  I know it isn't a great movie but watching it was a great experience.  In fact, every single movie I've watched in my theater seems better than it actually is.  The other night we watched Iron Man 2 and the entire family agreed it was WAY better than we all remembered.  Even TV like Stranger Things and A Series of Unfortunate Events seem totally epic. 

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Hmmm. Watch Battlefield Earth and post back.
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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #161 on: August 31, 2018, 04:24:52 pm »
I enjoy watching Wil Wheaton review board games on Tabletop....

Tabletop is awesome. Introduced to me to modern board gaming which turns out is a really fun hobby.

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« Reply #162 on: August 31, 2018, 04:37:48 pm »

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« Reply #163 on: August 31, 2018, 10:26:54 pm »
He wanted to do a Director's Cut in the early 00s but Paramount wouldn't go for it. I don't think there was any salvaging that turd, anyway.

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« Reply #164 on: August 31, 2018, 10:51:35 pm »
Paramount should went for it just so they could title it: Star Trek V: Shatner's cut...More Shatty than ever before."

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« Reply #165 on: August 31, 2018, 11:39:52 pm »
Eh... there is some merit in what dkersten is saying (coming from someone with a fancy home theater in his basement heh).  We watched Jumanji (the new one) a few weeks ago in 4K with the 7.2.4 Atmos firing on all cylinders and the buttkickers shaking the seats and I swear to god that movie is awesome.  I doubt I would feel that way if I had seen it on an airplane or something.  I know it isn't a great movie but watching it was a great experience.  In fact, every single movie I've watched in my theater seems better than it actually is.  The other night we watched Iron Man 2 and the entire family agreed it was WAY better than we all remembered.  Even TV like Stranger Things and A Series of Unfortunate Events seem totally epic. 

 :dunno


Hmmm. Watch Battlefield Earth and post back.

Better than any Star Wars movie any day...
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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #166 on: September 06, 2018, 02:08:01 pm »
Wait a second... TWO main characters aren't what they seem???  What the hell is going on?  I have 1 episode left and I don't know what to think.

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« Reply #167 on: September 25, 2018, 06:26:45 am »


Hmmm. Watch Battlefield Earth and post back.

Better than any Star Wars movie any day...


Thaat's a negatory. I thought it looked dumb when released, and didn't care to see it. Decided to visit it last month and couldn't get past twenty minutes, and that was being gratuitous.

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« Reply #168 on: September 25, 2018, 10:09:06 am »
Eh... there is some merit in what dkersten is saying (coming from someone with a fancy home theater in his basement heh).  We watched Jumanji (the new one) a few weeks ago in 4K with the 7.2.4 Atmos firing on all cylinders and the buttkickers shaking the seats and I swear to god that movie is awesome.  I doubt I would feel that way if I had seen it on an airplane or something.  I know it isn't a great movie but watching it was a great experience.  In fact, every single movie I've watched in my theater seems better than it actually is.  The other night we watched Iron Man 2 and the entire family agreed it was WAY better than we all remembered.  Even TV like Stranger Things and A Series of Unfortunate Events seem totally epic. 

 :dunno


Hmmm. Watch Battlefield Earth and post back.

A great theater won't elevate a complete turd into something fun to watch but it does elevate an OK movie to something better.  Watching a movie (to me) is the entire experience - not just what is on the screen.  It's the size of the screen, the clarity of the audio and video, the comfort of the seats, the darkness of the room, the smell of popcorn, the taste of beer, who you are with, etc.  All of these things add up.  So while the actual movie might be lacking in plot, pacing, acting, effects, etc. the overall experience can still be fun because of all the other stuff.   

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« Reply #169 on: September 25, 2018, 10:45:55 am »


Hmmm. Watch Battlefield Earth and post back.

Better than any Star Wars movie any day...


Thaat's a negatory. I thought it looked dumb when released, and didn't care to see it. Decided to visit it last month and couldn't get past twenty minutes, and that was being gratuitous.
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« Reply #170 on: September 25, 2018, 11:17:48 am »


Hmmm. Watch Battlefield Earth and post back.

Better than any Star Wars movie any day...
Thaat's a negatory. I thought it looked dumb when released, and didn't care to see it. Decided to visit it last month and couldn't get past twenty minutes, and that was being gratuitous.

I re-read the Battlefield Earth this summer and finally watched the movie.  The book wasn't as good as I remembered from high school but also wasn't as bad as I expected if that makes sense.

The movie was a complete and utter turd.  It really lived down to the hype.

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« Reply #171 on: September 25, 2018, 11:19:07 am »
I'm not saying Battlefield Earth is a good movie. I'm saying the Star Wars franchise is complete ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
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« Reply #172 on: September 30, 2018, 12:08:31 am »
@wp34: my dad was reading Battlefield Earth when I was in junior high. The cover and back cover description did not impress me. Dystopian tropes of any sort have not spoken to me.

I'm not saying Battlefield Earth is a good movie. I'm saying the Star Wars franchise is complete ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.

The notion of galactic empire is ridiculous, simply because AI....unless having the humor of Harlan Ellison's AC.....won't allow it. But Star Wars and Empire Strikes back are great movies. Franchises, well......  Temple of Doom was a fine idea executed undesirably...
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« Reply #173 on: September 30, 2018, 04:24:13 pm »
Let's not compare Temple of Doom to the unmitigated garbage that are modern Star Wars films.  TOD was just a mediocre installment in any otherwise stellar trilogy... it wasn't prequel levels of bad. 

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« Reply #174 on: October 13, 2018, 01:05:46 am »
Let's not compare Temple of Doom to the unmitigated garbage that are modern Star Wars films.  TOD was just a mediocre installment in any otherwise stellar trilogy... it wasn't prequel levels of bad. 

There was no comparison. That bit was saying franchises can be wonky, but in the case of Indy, Temple of Doom was as you said.

  
 

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