Author Topic: Terminator: Sarah Conner Chronicles * SPOILER WARNING!*. (Read 41958 times)

shardian · « **Reply #160 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:49:02 am »

Quote from: Hoopz on March 25, 2009, 10:11:14 am

****POSSIBLE SPOILER****

When Jesse was sitting in the hotel chair between the two end tables, she adjusted one of the lamps on the tables after comparing it (visually) to the other lamp.

Is she metal?

No, she's definitely not. I think she had something stored in that lamp.

DaOld Man · « **Reply #161 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:05:00 pm »

Quote from: Hoopz on March 25, 2009, 10:11:14 am

****POSSIBLE SPOILER****

When Jesse was sitting in the hotel chair between the two end tables, she adjusted one of the lamps on the tables after comparing it (visually) to the other lamp.

Is she metal?

I agree, she is not, but the maid touched the lamp too, so there is definitely something going on there. Maybe the next episode will tell??

CCM · « **Reply #162 on:** March 25, 2009, 08:30:07 pm »

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VGM_jAzPj8&feature=related[/youtube]

ChadTower · « **Reply #163 on:** March 26, 2009, 08:58:22 am »

Ep19 was better... but I'm pretty much hoping for a mercy killing of the show now. I was hoping it would take a turn towards making sense and instead it turned towards flashier editing.

DaOld Man · « **Reply #164 on:** March 27, 2009, 09:53:24 pm »

Good show tonight.
I was worried there for a bit, kinda looked like it was slumping like it did during the crapisodes.
But it was pulled together pretty good about half way through, and are we seeing the birth of skynet?

shardian · « **Reply #165 on:** March 28, 2009, 01:02:34 am »

Tonight was the first time I have ever watched the show live. Was pretty darn good yet again. For the preview for next week, the announcer guy said "Only 2 more episodes left". He didn't say "in the season" or "in the series", but it did strike me odd that it was left ambiguous. Makes me think they were intentionally phrasing it to be a series finale.

Grasshopper · « **Reply #166 on:** March 29, 2009, 01:19:34 pm »

I've avoided reading the newest posts in this thread to avoid any spoilers. So this will be old news to most of you.

Anyway, FWIW after a long run of poor to mediocre episodes, I saw episode 17 a few days ago and thought it was truly excellent. When this series is good it's very good indeed.

I just hope the writers can maintain the standard and give the series the send off it deserves. Of course a third series would be even better but realistically that seems unlikely at this point.

DaOld Man · « **Reply #167 on:** April 04, 2009, 06:36:43 am »

About last nights episode:

Wow!

It does look like they are bringing the series to a close, and if they are, I would rather see it end purposely than to just cut off.

abzman2000 · « **Reply #168 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:57:33 pm »

after ep 21 I have 2 things to comment on

first:
"It’s possible heaven has a hardware problem" lol

second:
"Mr. Ellison, you're asking me to keep a secret. You tell me it's wrong to lie, yet you keep doing it."
"I know what I say john henry, but in this case a lie might save someone."
"How"
"Our best chance to get Savanah back is for me to handle this, quietly. You understand?"

my immediate thoughts go to "no no no no no, you do not tell a computer to lie, bad things happen when you tell a computer to lie, sometimes trippy things"
now, who knows what happens when you tell a computer to lie? anyone? now, who here has seen 2001, and 2010? I can't be the only one who thought of this.

AtomSmasher · « **Reply #169 on:** April 04, 2009, 04:20:53 pm »

This last episode makes me wonder if the liquid terminator (Savanah's "mother") is the same liquid terminator from the submarine episode who changed it's mind about helping humanity sometime after we saw it say "No".

shardian · « **Reply #170 on:** April 05, 2009, 08:43:29 am »

The Eel story summed up the T1000 pretty well.

And as for that unexpected shocker scene ( no spoilers from me!)...HOLY ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---!!!! That came so far out of right field that security had to tackle that sum' ---smurfette--- for tresspassing! I can't believe they did it like that, but I guess that sums up the fight against skynet. I'm not so sure they handled the emotional aftermath too well though.

ChadTower · « **Reply #171 on:** April 06, 2009, 01:39:36 pm »

Now it feels like they were told they weren't going to be picked up and had to wrap everything up in 4 episodes. So every episode someone major is going bye bye and there are no storyline points being addressed. Now that we may be 1 ep away from the end I fully expect Bruce Willis to show up riding a killer asteroid.

orion · « **Reply #172 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:41:02 am »

Quote from: shardian on April 05, 2009, 08:43:29 am

The Eel story summed up the T1000 pretty well.

And as for that unexpected shocker scene ( no spoilers from me!)...HOLY ---Cleveland steamer---!!!! That came so far out of right field that security had to tackle that sum' ---smurf--- for tresspassing! I can't believe they did it like that, but I guess that sums up the fight against skynet. I'm not so sure they handled the emotional aftermath too well though.

Yeah my wife and I were looking at each other like "What the hell just happened?" I really wasn't expecting anything like that from this show.

ChadTower · « **Reply #173 on:** April 08, 2009, 09:16:43 am »

My wife's reaction to that: "Donna's gonna be pissed."

Hoopz · « **Reply #174 on:** April 08, 2009, 10:36:38 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on April 08, 2009, 09:16:43 am

My wife's reaction to that: "Donna's gonna be pissed."

ChadTower · « **Reply #175 on:** April 08, 2009, 11:00:34 am »

We never even learned his name... this far into the show we were still calling him David Silber.

orion · « **Reply #176 on:** April 08, 2009, 11:09:52 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on April 08, 2009, 09:16:43 am

My wife's reaction to that: "Donna's gonna be pissed."

I didn't even realize that was Brian Austin Green from 90210 until you just posted that! Holly crap!!!! (Up till now I thinking "Why does that name sound familiar?" )Then again I have worked hard all these years trying to create a mental block of that whole damn preppy wet dream of a show...... minus of course Shannen Doherty

(The only reason I watched it in the first place)

DaOld Man · « **Reply #177 on:** April 10, 2009, 09:14:56 pm »

Man oh man... looks like the series has ended, and it went out in style..
John will grow up in the future???

SirPeale · « **Reply #178 on:** April 11, 2009, 08:23:04 pm »

But with a ton of unanswered questions...

1) Cameron's chip in John Henry's body...in the future...

There are others, but I have to step away from the computer now...

shardian · « **Reply #179 on:** April 12, 2009, 12:19:10 pm »

WOW! Hell of a way to end a show! ...If it is indeed over.

I can't wait on you foreigners to discuss this, so....

STOP READING NOW IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FINALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I went thru two thoughts about what they intended with the way it ended. At first, I thought this was yet another of the future multi-verses in which John Connor never was the leader. Thus, John could just be himself and not worry about being 'the leader'.
Then, it became obvious what was happening - a self-fulfilling prophesy. First off, what better way to protect the leader from anymore hit attempts than to just send him to the future. He is obviously ready to lead, as was shown in the excellent ep where we tied up the Riley story. Of course no one would know John - he magically disappeared in 2009. He now has an incredible knowledge bank of the future thanks to Skynet and their repeated attempts to stop him at an early age. It also makes sense why people would 'worship him' in the future: He knows so damn much!

In short - a HELL of a way to wrap the series...that is...if it is indeed done.

isucamper · « **Reply #180 on:** April 12, 2009, 05:44:11 pm »

The ending was pretty weird. Isn't having John jump into the future pretty much the same as having him killed? He wouldn't be around to lead the revolution. I'm suprised that everything kind of went on without him. Kinda downplays his importance in the whole thing after all.

DaOld Man · « **Reply #181 on:** April 12, 2009, 10:00:35 pm »

Quote from: isucamper on April 12, 2009, 05:44:11 pm

The ending was pretty weird. Isn't having John jump into the future pretty much the same as having him killed? He wouldn't be around to lead the revolution. I'm suprised that everything kind of went on without him. Kinda downplays his importance in the whole thing after all.

******************* Spoiler warning!!!!! ******************

If you remember in the first Terminator movie, Kyle told Sarah that mankind was almost lost until John Conner brought them together.

In the series, John appears in the future. We dont know if the humans are almost beat or not. They dont know JC, but with all the knowledge he has, it might be what is needed to turn the war around. Perhaps he gives them a renewed hope and spirit.

John is now at a stage where:
Kyle has not yet traveled back in time.
Also the human Cameron has not been killed and replaced by the terminator yet. (Notice how she is petting the dog, proving she is human.)
I dont know the role of the liquid terminator or John Henry.
Possible double spolier warning:
Perhaps the robots and the humans make peace.

DaOld Man · « **Reply #182 on:** April 12, 2009, 10:03:24 pm »

Quote from: shardian on April 12, 2009, 12:19:10 pm

WOW! Hell of a way to end a show! ...If it is indeed over.
.........

In short - a HELL of a way to wrap the series...that is...if it is indeed done.

I hope it hasnt ended yet. We shall se what the boys at Fox have to say about it.

I wonder how the movie this summer will affect the way the series is going? (Or vice versa).
They showed some pretty cool clips on the last SCC episode.

Hoopz · « **Reply #183 on:** April 13, 2009, 08:29:56 pm »

My thoughts:

I didn't get a chance to watch it until tonight so I was anxious to see how they wrapped things up. I'm surprised that no one mentioned Katherine (Catherine?) being a good guy/woman. There was one particular episode where she either did or said something that made me wonder if she wasn't a bad terminator. I don't recall now what it was and obviously, I never mentioned it here so I can't take any credit for it. No big deal...

Where did Mrs. Weaver go at the end of the episode? John turned around and she was gone. I understand she probably walked/slithered away but still curious.

Why didn't Cameron make it through? Because she wasn't totally covered in skin? What will Sarah and James Ellison do now?

And who's building Skyenet? Who built and sent the ship that attacked them in Weaver's office? I think those types of questions lead into next season (

!).

I'm going to be irritated if they don't bring it back. I absolutely despise getting into a series only to have it canceled. I rarely watch a series before it's third or fourth season for this very reason.

Overall, I'd rate the series 3 out of 4 stars.

shardian · « **Reply #184 on:** April 13, 2009, 10:52:00 pm »

Quote from: Hoopz on April 13, 2009, 08:29:56 pm

1. I'm surprised that no one mentioned Katherine (Catherine?) being a good guy/woman. There was one particular episode where she either did or said something that made me wonder if she wasn't a bad terminator. I don't recall now what it was and obviously, I never mentioned it here so I can't take any credit for it. No big deal...

2.Where did Mrs. Weaver go at the end of the episode? John turned around and she was gone. I understand she probably walked/slithered away but still curious.

3. Why didn't Cameron make it through? Because she wasn't totally covered in skin?
4. What will Sarah and James Ellison do now?

5. And who's building Skyenet? Who built and sent the ship that attacked them in Weaver's office? I think those types of questions lead into next season ( !).

6. I'm going to be irritated if they don't bring it back. I absolutely despise getting into a series only to have it canceled. I rarely watch a series before it's third or fourth season for this very reason.

Overall, I'd rate the series 3 out of 4 stars.

SPOILER DISCUSSION: STEER CLEAR IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED THE FINALE:

1. They have made it quite obvious that Weaver was good for several episodes now. The eel story was the dead giveaway.

2. No Clue. Probably to find John Henry.

3. This goes back to the start of the series when we had the debate about cromartie's head going thru. There are huge holes when it comes to the time travel device. It's one of those things you just have to 'accept' to better enjoy the story.

4. Why, go get the Weaver girl from daycare right?

I have no clue, but we couldn't have the show called "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" if they didn't have a plan for her.

5. I think there was a blatant reason why the FBI guy mentioned Bobby Dyson to Sarah - which is probably where her and Ellison's story would go. He has something directly to do with the Skynet like computer trying to kill John Henry and running things. He's probably the new 'boss'.

6. This is a problem that the networks fail to realize is their own doing. They expect shows to be 20 million viewer explosions from day one. Historically, this is NOT the case. Why would anyone watch a show that they had the slightest inkling would just be canceled? It's a catch 22 that I hope they come up with a reasonable solution for. There IS a solution, but the big networks refuse to acknowledge it. What happens when a baseball player under performs? He goes back to the minor leagues. As such, a show that performs decently on a network with a solid core audience should be transferred to a cable network. I have a strong feeling that Chuck will go this route - maybe even Terminator. It SHOULD have happened with Firefly, Jericho, Wonderfalls, etc, etc. Imagine the CW gaining a show with an almost guaranteed 3-6 million viewers! Their network only averages like 1 million! Friday Night Lights is a show that is kind of going this direction - with the shared partnership between DirectTV and NBC. It been quite a success...but I don't watch that show.

ChadTower · « **Reply #185 on:** April 14, 2009, 07:57:46 am »

So the whole show led up to a Red Dwarf moment? Not so happy with the payoff.

patrickl · « **Reply #186 on:** April 16, 2009, 04:21:42 pm »

I thought it made perfect sense to send John to the future. Why struggle around for decades waiting for the inevitable when you can simply time travel there.

BTW Why did the girl terminator say that she didn't understand the "Will you join us" question?

shardian · « **Reply #187 on:** April 16, 2009, 04:32:10 pm »

Quote from: patrickl on April 16, 2009, 04:21:42 pm

I thought it made perfect sense to send John to the future. Why struggle around for decades waiting for the inevitable when you can simply time travel there.

BTW Why did the girl terminator say that she didn't understand the "Will you join us" question?

She was lying. Young John was on a need to know basis - and he didn't need to know.

patrickl · « **Reply #188 on:** April 16, 2009, 04:36:47 pm »

Quote from: shardian on April 16, 2009, 04:32:10 pm

Quote from: patrickl on April 16, 2009, 04:21:42 pm
I thought it made perfect sense to send John to the future. Why struggle around for decades waiting for the inevitable when you can simply time travel there.

BTW Why did the girl terminator say that she didn't understand the "Will you join us" question?

She was lying. Young John was on a need to know basis - and he didn't need to know.

Do you think she was the one who asked the question to begin with (to the eel on the Carter sub)? She seemed quite adamant not to have the answer given to John Connor directly, but on the other hand, the eel wanted to answer to John Connor.

shardian · « **Reply #189 on:** April 16, 2009, 10:55:57 pm »

Quote from: patrickl on April 16, 2009, 04:36:47 pm

Quote from: shardian on April 16, 2009, 04:32:10 pm
Quote from: patrickl on April 16, 2009, 04:21:42 pm
I thought it made perfect sense to send John to the future. Why struggle around for decades waiting for the inevitable when you can simply time travel there.

BTW Why did the girl terminator say that she didn't understand the "Will you join us" question?

She was lying. Young John was on a need to know basis - and he didn't need to know.
Do you think she was the one who asked the question to begin with (to the eel on the Carter sub)? She seemed quite adamant not to have the answer given to John Connor directly, but on the other hand, the eel wanted to answer to John Connor.

I think John Connor was dead, and had been dead for a while. In every flash-forward on the show, it was always blatantly stated that noone ever saw John Connor. They always stated that they went through his advisors or Cameron. It was widely speculated that the "Will you join us" T-1000 was going to be used to imitate John.

patrickl · « **Reply #190 on:** April 17, 2009, 06:14:50 am »

Well, they saw him now though and this was before his father was sent back.

DaOld Man · « **Reply #191 on:** April 18, 2009, 08:26:40 am »

Quote from: shardian on April 16, 2009, 10:55:57 pm

I think John Connor was dead, and had been dead for a while. In every flash-forward on the show, it was always blatantly stated that noone ever saw John Connor. They always stated that they went through his advisors or Cameron. It was widely speculated that the "Will you join us" T-1000 was going to be used to imitate John.

I think you may be right.
In the last episode, Cameron told John that she still has the original terminator program in her memory, and that it could surface and she could kill him someday.

DaOld Man · « **Reply #192 on:** April 18, 2009, 08:39:02 am »

Quote from: patrickl on April 17, 2009, 06:14:50 am

Well, they saw him now though and this was before his father was sent back.

Sharidan is talking about John being dead in the episode about the submarine. Cameron was very adamant about passing all info to John, and Jessie said no one had seen John for a long time.
John came to the future at a point long before the submarine episode.

I think Cameron might have killed him, and perhaps she is an impostor, and she wanted the metal bot to join her "revolution"?
Remember, Cameron was a human, she was killed by the robot Cameron, and replaced.
It was hinted that Cameron could have been Johns woman. Maybe the she-bot Cameron killed John and took over the human resistance in his place?

You know, if machines really did become self-aware, they would probably split into different groups, and most likely even war with each other, just like humans have.
The big difference is that what takes man several thousands of years to get to a warring point, it would take a super computer only a few milliseconds.

Mankind at this point is just a nuisance to the machines.
(Anybody ever read "Of men and monsters"?)

patrickl · « **Reply #193 on:** April 18, 2009, 10:22:01 am »

I think you guys are looking for things. It's probably just too cumbersome to hire an actor to appear 2 times in a season. Also, it would be rather confusing if we had two different John Connors in the show.

But then the show is indeed ridiculously far fetched at times. The pathetic fixation on the three dots is finally solved by seeing an arrangement of 3 leds on a computer? Absolutely absurd. As if the guy couldn't have simply written "Turk" to indicate that that chess machine was still working.

orion · « **Reply #194 on:** April 18, 2009, 10:46:52 am »

I think you guys are trying to way to hard connect all the dots with this one.... truth is they all suffered a similar fate as these these poor B@$%!&#* (Movie to follow included)

http://beta.sling.com/video/show/29482/58/Star-Trek---The-Last-Voyage-of-the-

Grasshopper · « **Reply #195 on:** April 30, 2009, 08:40:29 pm »

Quote from: shardian on April 12, 2009, 12:19:10 pm

WOW! Hell of a way to end a show! ...If it is indeed over.

I can't wait on you foreigners to discuss this, so....

STOP READING NOW IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FINALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow indeed! I just saw the final episode and it totally blew me away. The best hour of TV that I’ve seen for a long long time.

Flake · « **Reply #196 on:** May 05, 2009, 09:41:08 pm »

My take:

1. I agree with a previous poster that transporting John into the future fits into the original description of John's leadership via Kyles conversation with Sarah in T1 - so no problems there.

2. Cameron's "body" didnt go through because she didnt have a chip in her anymore. I read that somewhere.......I think....

3. Weaver is simply a 3rd faction of the war - a rogue group of machines with their own agenda. This agenda is as of yet undetermined or at leaset unexplained. She went into the future to track down her "son" John Henry. However, it is interesting to note that in Terminator Salvation part of the trailer depicts a terminator who thinks he is human and semingly doesnt know it at first. I dont believe there is supposed to be any direct tie in between the tv show and the new movie but just an interesting observation.

4. Cameron did in fact I believe "join them" by giving her chip to John Henry. Not sure why or what her end game is in doing so.

5. By asking Cameron if she would "join them" Weaver is letting Cameron know that she is the T1000 from the sub (the sub incident is the "past" for both of them). Cameron, prior to Ellison asking her this question, didnt know Weaver was metal.

6. Sarah is simply left behind the past to ride out her fate. I presume she doesnt have long to live due to her cancer. If there is a season 3 I would bet her storyline is persuing Danny.

Hoopz · « **Reply #197 on:** May 05, 2009, 09:45:37 pm »

Gonna be a pisser if it's not brought back.... $:-\$

Flake · « **Reply #198 on:** May 06, 2009, 11:33:05 am »

http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Episode_222:_Born_to_Run

Not sure how accurate this information is but theres a ton of it. Has some spoiler info on it too regarding the upcoming movie. If you read some of the info on Terminator salvation it would appear they acknowledge T3 events. However, it also appears they ackowledge some of the plot points of the TV series.......so again......not sure how accurate......

Clearly they are just making this ---Cleveland steamer--- up as they go.

Hoopz · « **Reply #199 on:** May 06, 2009, 11:36:20 am »

Quote from: Flake on May 06, 2009, 11:33:05 am

Clearly they are just making this ---Cleveland steamer--- up as they go.

Oh, so they are using the same writers that they had on Battlestar...


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