Driverman fined $12,000 for spamming

[Howard_Casto]

I think you are confused man.  I never cared for the guy and I think he probably got what was coming to him.  What I find messed up is the fact that some of you seem to be reveling in his misery.  It's sad that it came to this for him, I'm not going to join in on the celebration because it isn't anything to celebrate. 

I come to Bury Caesar, not to praise him.

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Thanks for posting this.


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[Le Chuck]

Caesar this man wasn't, and he's not dead - he got fined for trolling. Let's dial back the indignant rhetoric a bit. You never felt a ping of satisfaction when the nozzle driving crazy on the freeway gets pulled over? Same thing.

[yotsuya]

I'm reveling in the fact that that type of behavior got what was coming to it. You don't listen to the mods here and you keep acting like an ---uvula---, you get banned. You don't listen to the authorities and you keep acting like an ---uvula---, you get fined. Same thing. I agree with ark, it's karma, and I for one am glad to see that type of anti-social behavior get what it deserves.

[Xiaou2]

Generally speaking. .. a reckless driver ... is a behavioral choice.  A mental illness or other biologocal issue... is not a choice.  If omeone goes.overboard to such a degree. . Its clear that there is such a problem,  and that is sad.

 To mock and even revel in something like this.... is like making fun of a handicapped person for falling out of their wheelchair.

 I personally believe in reincarnation.   That we have , and will live again.    In such a case... this kind of behavior,  could be your future self.   Nobody should wish that upon anyone.  But that is our reality.  Some of us will always be predispositioned to certain behaviors, thoughts and feelings.  Its nothing to be celebrating.  We can only have hope that if and or when we are in such a spot... others will understand and be compassionate. .. As well as hope for a cure.

 Btw... if the dev hadnt insulted and mocked the guy... he might have been more productive and not have went off the deep end. One should always consider whom one is dealing with... and keep ones words and intensities in fair check.  As somene who has problems... and or is a victim of low self-esteem and or a lifetime of abuses... and or with some biological issues.... they are never going to be as good at handling negativity.

[yotsuya]

I'm "celebrating" the fact that someone DID something substantial about that type of behavior on the Internet. I've been online for about 20 years - Driverman wasn't the first --cream-filled twinkie-- I've come across who acted like that.

And stop making the perpetrator a victim here. You don't know if he has a disorder or illness that makes him like that. Can it be enough to say that someone is simply an ---uvula---?

[Xiaou2]

I'm "celebrating" the fact that someone DID something substantial about that type of behavior on the Internet. I've been online for about 20 years - Driverman wasn't the first --cream-filled twinkie-- I've come across who acted like that.

And stop making the perpetrator a victim here. You don't know if he has a disorder or illness that makes him like that. Can it be enough to say that someone is simply an ---uvula---?

On a daily basiz... there are plenty of jerks around here that could and or should be slapped with a fish.
Its good that he was put in his place...  but not good that he has such an issue that caused it to require that.

 Its VERY clear the guy has issues.   Someone like lechuck (sorry... no offense man. We all can be guilty of it)  can be a tool at times... but thats more of a choice. You  an easily tell the kind of difference in the behavior.  The level of extremity.   The obsession level.. that goes way beyond mere passion.

 Sadly.. ive grew up with family that have many forms of mental illnesses... so ive gotten quite good in recent years identifying behaviors and spotting these people. Along with understanding and gaining control of much milder behavior flare ups myself.

[Le Chuck]

Hector Projector in the hizzy

[Xiaou2]

Hector Projector in the hizzy

 Heh.  Sad to say,  but Im not even close to Projecting.

 Re-read the rants, the language, the repeated text lines, and the behaviors based on provocation.   If you dont believe me, take the stuff to a psychologist and have them tell you.

 Almost everyone has some form of issue.   The easiest way to show this... is to see what happens when you get someone drunk.
Some people are happy drunks  (thats me.  Ill smile like a fool, giggle like a kid... and start doing  "drunken foo+ L"  for fun)    And yet others get extremely angry and negative.

 What I noticed... is that many people have a biological tilt towards a certain way of feeling and thinking.  There are many whom are more tilted towards anger, impatience, negativity, and disconentment.  These people get fairly decent at gaining enough control to present themselves as somewhat normal.  However, internally... they are cursing, thinking very critical, negative, and brutal thoughts. They are biting their tongues most of their life... but when they get a drink or few in them... they no longer can hold back their true nature.

 On the other hand... Ive met people tilted far to the Happy go Lucky side.  There is almost Nothing that these people dont like or love.  They dont see problems as a big deal.  They dont feel pain and stresses on the same level.  They dont take things too serious.  They are very rare to get angered... and quick to bounce right back.  Overly accepting of negative behaviors from people around them.  They often paint a rainbow over everything they see... even when its far from the reality of the situation.  Sometimes I wish I was like that...

 And thats just the tip of the iceburg.   Then you get into deeper and more serious afflictions... like OCD, ADD / ADHD, Phobias / Anxieties, Bi-Polarism, Narcissism, and far more.   Many people have these things to lesser degrees... and Ive seen people with combinations of these things ... to form some outrageously deranged  thoughts, behaviors, and feelings.   Not just in my own families.. but in many others whom Ive met in my nearly 42 years of life.   Being a tech, as well as being so passionate in so many areas of life... I tend to meet all kinds of people on a regular basis.   But the reality is... I never realized the depths of mental illnesses.. until only more recently.   I saw the odd behaviors.. and tried to justify them... but nothing ever made sense.   After doing a lot of research on the subjects, as well as much more careful observation and even questionings... Ive gained a lot more depth of insight to how bad the situation really is.  How poor our mental health state really is.. on a massive scale...   and the kinds of oddities that these people think, feel, and do.

[BadMouth]

I'm an overly even keeled and logical person.  When drunk, I'm even more even keeled, just not as coordinated.  I'm a boring drunk.

Mentally illness or not, I do not feel any guilt for being happy about an ---uvula--- getting what he deserves.   When people get what they deserve, it brings me joy, good or bad.

I don't code, but even I could tell that his coding was mostly copy and paste jobs specifically for the purpose of trolling.  He'd even posted that "this is theater for me"

[eds1275]

I am probably alone in thinking this, in our day of overly political correctness, but if someone has an illness, mental, physical, or spiritual, that doesn't make it suddenly ok.

[Xiaou2]

I am probably alone in thinking this, in our day of overly political correctness, but if someone has an illness, mental, physical, or spiritual, that doesn't make it suddenly ok.

 Of course not.

 But then again... what do you do if you have Tourette syndrome ?

 The point isnt that we should do nothing... its that we should learn to recognize when someone has issues... and to be less aggressive / abrasive...   as well as to have a pinch of compassion, patience, and flexibility.

 

I'm an overly even keeled and logical person.  When drunk, I'm even more even keeled, just not as coordinated.  I'm a boring drunk.

Mentally illness or not, I do not feel any guilt for being happy about an ---uvula--- getting what he deserves.   When people get what they deserve, it brings me joy, good or bad.

I don't code, but even I could tell that his coding was mostly copy and paste jobs specifically for the purpose of trolling.  He'd even posted that "this is theater for me"

 Well, when my father drinks.. it caused his phobias to go into overdrive, as well as his Bipolar issues to flip out.  Basically, he goes from Jeckle to Hyde.   His father. I never knew... because he drank his liver to failure, before he turned 40.  He was an angry and hyper critical person.  A pushy abusive perfectionist...  a man so rigid, that mere everyday existence was too much to cope with.  His abuse caused major mental issues to develop in his children...   my father being the worse off... because he wasnt smart enough to live up to the unrealistic expectations his father set.  This Rigidity, is a form of illness.  Among many other issues he had... such as intentionally starting brawls at the bar on a regular basis.

 Everyone will react differently to booz, depending on the kind of person you are, as well as the biological issues you may have.  To some, like my uncle... he has ADHD..  I believe it keeps his mind slightly less active... or making it less memorable... with dealing with overwhelming stream of intense thoughts.  Interestingly...although he is great at memorization... he has very poor ability to figure things out in the street smarts kind of way. For example, he squeezes his toothpaste tube from the middle.  Thats a small example.. and it only gets worse from there.


 But anyways...  Ever think why some people Are Buttheads?    Some people are born into families of learned bad behaviors, been though major abuses, as well as have mental issues.   Why else would someone desire to cause a lot of trouble on a grand scale, regularly?

 Throwing rocks at such a person will never change their behaviors.  It Might just make them worse.

 While Im not saying to feel guilt for this or others like this... what I am saying, is that nobody should really be happy about a person whom has mental illness.

 Once I had someone jump out their car, wanting to fight.  Said  " No cops... lets go, lets fight now ".   He was an arms distance to me the entire time.    At this time, I was 1000% on my game... as I was currently training daily, and teaching a few students.  I had little doubt I could take him out in a mere second.   However... I thought about the consequences about my actions...

 Had he attacked, Id had destroyed his knee with a kick.   He may have a job, family and kids.   He might lose his job.. due to the injury.   He may lose the ability to take good care of his family.  He might even lose his wife and family, as a result.   So, instead of striking out,  tossing insults,  raising my voice...etc...   I kept calm and tried to figure out why this guy wanted to fight.

 His accent was heavy... so it was difficult.   But I realized what happened:  When I was waiting for an opportunity to make a turn onto a side street... I saw this car in my rear view mirror speed up from out of nowhere like a rocket.   Traffic was heavy, so Id been waiting for a chance to make the turn... but because this car was coming up from behind so fast... Id missed a recent opportunity to make my turn.   The guy stopped right behind me... and eventually traffic let up, and I made the turn.   Didnt realize it... but the guy followed me right to my driveway...

 The guy had thought I didnt make the turn, so that he would intentionally slam into me.   Very odd thinking for sure.  Anyways, I explained the issue... and eventually the guy, still angered (but reduced instead of elevated... )  and spouting some insults... drove off.

 Why would a guy go off like this?    Biologically more geared towards anger and hostility?  How he was raised and abused?  I dont know.  But I do know that he had major issues... and breaking his leg, or worse...   would not have solved his problems.

 As Ive said, one Should have compassion and understanding in these issues... because that Could be you one day.   It could be someone you know.  It could be someone who experimented with a drug... and it totally flipped him inside out.   Whatever the reason... he is still a human being.  Hopefully he will grow up and or calm down, later in life.

[eds1275]

 Of course not.

 But then again... what do you do if you have Tourette syndrome ?

Tourette's is not used as an excuse for leniency in murder trials. That's the kind of thing I was referring to.

[Le Chuck]

Seems like someone who has trouble taking responsibility for their own situation in life doesn't think that others should have to either. Huge shocker. Huge.

[dkersten]

I am probably alone in thinking this, in our day of overly political correctness, but if someone has an illness, mental, physical, or spiritual, that doesn't make it suddenly ok.

 Of course not.

 But then again... what do you do if you have Tourette syndrome ?

Tourette's makes you blurt things out inadvertently.  It takes discipline to sit and type something on a computer, the opposite of what Tourette's allows one to do.  The fact that the guy was not healthy in the head does not excuse him for being a --cream-filled twinkie-- online.  Narcissism is a mental disorder, but not one that allows people to be an ---uvula--- indiscriminately. 

I agree with Le Chuck here.. defending someone else by saying it wasn't his fault doesn't exactly help your own case. 

[ark_ader]

Seems like someone who has trouble taking responsibility for their own situation in life doesn't think that others should have to either. Huge shocker. Huge.

 

[Xiaou2]

I am probably alone in thinking this, in our day of overly political correctness, but if someone has an illness, mental, physical, or spiritual, that doesn't make it suddenly ok.

 Of course not.

 But then again... what do you do if you have Tourette syndrome ?

Tourette's makes you blurt things out inadvertently.  It takes discipline to sit and type something on a computer, the opposite of what Tourette's allows one to do.  The fact that the guy was not healthy in the head does not excuse him for being a --cream-filled twinkie-- online.  Narcissism is a mental disorder, but not one that allows people to be an ---uvula--- indiscriminately. 

I agree with Le Chuck here.. defending someone else by saying it wasn't his fault doesn't exactly help your own case.

 Who said Im defending him?   Is someone Reading or Constructing a world that does not exist?  Yup.  Its typical.

 I said, I dont take Delight in someones handicap.   That its nothing to be happy about.  That its Sad, that someone is so mentally unstable, that he feels compelled to continually attack.

 Sure, Tourette's is involuntary.   However, being imbalanced is equally crippling.  It can ruin ones life.  As seen in such a case.  It colors their world in ways that dont exist.  It makes them react in extreme ways that most never would.

 Does it make it ok?   Nope.   My own father should have been locked up Years ago!

 However, that doesnt mean I revel in wishing him, or others, in pain and suffering.   In fact, being like that... is its own punishment.  Its constant pain and suffering.  Its a broken life.

 What people Should aspire to do... is to work harder to create cures for these things... rather than to complain about the result of these peoples actions and Reactions.   Diagnosis of these people should start out at an earlier age, and so dangerous people are kept in check before they actually cause great abuse and or harm to others.   Not like today... where such a thing only happens after the Bodies are found.  Where even when a mentally unstable person is locked up... he is never fully evaluated.  Hence, the cycle of trouble keeps going on and on.. probably getting worse and worse over the years.

 Had someone seen this kind of behavior in "Driverman"  years ago... maybe some consoling + meds, could have reduced and or subverted the actions seen here.

 
 And finally, to those trying to drag me into your ideals of irresponsibility, I was with your mothers, and they said you all still wet your beds at night.

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Apparently, "the forum that are lawyers" are responsible for him seeing charges: http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?256528-Zeljko-Aksentijevic-convicted-in-first-defended-anti-spam-case-in-New-Zealand


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[SavannahLion]

And finally, to those trying to drag me into your ideals of irresponsibility, I was with your mothers, and they said you all still wet your beds at night.

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure necrophilia is illegal in NZ and most U.S. states.

[yotsuya]

And finally, to those trying to drag me into your ideals of irresponsibility, I was with your mothers, and they said you all still wet your beds at night.

[ark_ader]

DM is still lurking around.  Last time I saw him here was when he was touting his arcade batch file tool.

[dkersten]

Who said Im defending him?   Is someone Reading or Constructing a world that does not exist?  Yup.  Its typical.

But you ARE defending him here by saying that it wasn't really his fault, it was his illness.  His illness here is he is a major narcissist who can't accept being wrong.  It IS a mental disorder, but there isn't medication for it and even if there were it still isn't an excuse for his behavior.  Even if it is a case where your illness prevents you from being able to control yourself, why blame anyone or anything else other than yourself?  Own it, even if you don't like it.  And if you CAN do something about it, like take your meds, seek counseling, or just choose to make better decisions, the healthy thing to do is to take responsibility for your actions, not use your condition as a crutch to support your actions.  The point I am trying to make is that blaming your problems on everyone or everything else other than yourself (rather than just owning the blame and taking responsibility) is a surefire way to keep repeating the same behavior that gets you in trouble in the first place.  In this guy's case, he kept digging himself a hole that eventually caved in on him.

This guy deserved what he got, and some people enjoy when justice is served.  I don't know this guy, but I can appreciate the results because we all know someone who needs to be slapped by a judge and maybe even thrown in jail so they can wake up and stop believing some of the crap they spew.  I only hope that someone as self centered as this guy doesn't have kids or a significant other.

[saint]

And finally, to those trying to drag me into your ideals of irresponsibility, I was with your mothers, and they said you all still wet your beds at night.

Really? Really? 

[nitrogen_widget]

And finally, to those trying to drag me into your ideals of irresponsibility, I was with your mothers, and they said you all still wet your beds at night.

Really? Really? 

If I was homeless, jobless, no place to go, ect. the last thing i'd be doing would be posting on this web site just to insult people.
No offence Saint, as fine a Forum as it is, I think i'd have more important things to do.

[SavannahLion]

Who said Im defending him?   Is someone Reading or Constructing a world that does not exist?  Yup.  Its typical.

But you ARE defending him here by saying that it wasn't really his fault, it was his illness.  His illness here is he is a major narcissist who can't accept being wrong.  It IS a mental disorder, but there isn't medication for it and even if there were it still isn't an excuse for his behavior.  Even if it is a case where your illness prevents you from being able to control yourself, why blame anyone or anything else other than yourself?  Own it, even if you don't like it.  And if you CAN do something about it, like take your meds, seek counseling, or just choose to make better decisions, the healthy thing to do is to take responsibility for your actions, not use your condition as a crutch to support your actions.  The point I am trying to make is that blaming your problems on everyone or everything else other than yourself (rather than just owning the blame and taking responsibility) is a surefire way to keep repeating the same behavior that gets you in trouble in the first place.  In this guy's case, he kept digging himself a hole that eventually caved in on him.

This guy deserved what he got, and some people enjoy when justice is served.  I don't know this guy, but I can appreciate the results because we all know someone who needs to be slapped by a judge and maybe even thrown in jail so they can wake up and stop believing some of the crap they spew.  I only hope that someone as self centered as this guy doesn't have kids or a significant other.

Unfortunately, that let's-blame-anything-except-the-person-responsible mentality is the new norm now.

The roles have been reversed for all of us. I'm just warning you that things will get worse before the "normals" wise up and start pushing back.

[dkersten]

Unfortunately, that let's-blame-anything-except-the-person-responsible mentality is the new norm now.

The roles have been reversed for all of us. I'm just warning you that things will get worse before the "normals" wise up and start pushing back.

I think it goes along with the entitlement mentality.. they expect everything to be handed to them with little to no work, and when things go wrong it is someone else's fault.  The egos that some people must have today... 

[eds1275]

And finally, to those trying to drag me into your ideals of irresponsibility, I was with your mothers, and they said you all still wet your beds at night.

bwahahaha I actually loled at that. But now lets all go running back to the "Bye?" post and let out our warm fuzzy feelings at this kind man who keeps our mothers warm at night.

[Vigo]

I think it is time to bust out the tiny violin.

[pbj]

I had to laugh at the irony of being told we had to respect any infirmities, whether real or imagined, yet mocking bed wetters.

[Le Chuck]

I had to laugh at the irony of being told we had to respect any infirmities, whether real or imagined, yet mocking bed wetters.

Growing up I was iron deficient.  I find the use of the term, "irony" extremely offensive as it reminds me of all the iron I didn't have as a child...which wasn't my fault. 

[Vigo]

I had to laugh at the irony of being told we had to respect any infirmities, whether real or imagined, yet mocking bed wetters.

Growing up I was iron deficient.  I find the use of the term, "irony" extremely offensive as it reminds me of all the iron I didn't have as a child...which wasn't my fault.

How Ferric. (Get it? I replaced iron with it's latin translation, ferrum, and an iron deficiency is lack of iron in the bloodstream to oxidize the body, while Ferric iron in chemisty is oxidized iron, Fe³⁺. See what I did there?? oh ---fudgesicle--- it, nevermind...chemistry humor sucks)

[pbj]

[wp34]

I had to laugh at the irony of being told we had to respect any infirmities, whether real or imagined, yet mocking bed wetters.

 

[emphatic]

What's next, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!?

[Le Chuck]

What's next, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!?

So be good, for goodness sake...somebody's comin'!

[SavannahLion]

Eeugh... is that Leslie Hall?

[ark_ader]

DM is still lurking around.  Last time I saw him here was when he was touting his arcade batch file tool.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,122214.0.html

[lilshawn]

I like the part where he said "."

Las insospechadas desventajas de ser muy inteligente.

/s
 

[BadMouth]

Upon appeal, he got the fine reduced to $250.
It's still funny that he was originally fined $12,000 and had to deal with legal crap for over a year. 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/77156327/spam-fine-slashed-on-appeal

Aksentijevic said he had begun sending the messages because of an abusive campaign against him conducted through the forum that arose because he accused some people of selling "bootleg games".

[CheffoJeffo]

I hadn't seen this. Thank you.

Never thought I would see Xouchey being funny on purpose. 

EDIT: Just went back and re-read the threads and various PMs DriverBabaMan sent me. Totally forgot how much he loved Xiaou2 and was hurt by the lack of reciprocation. Those were interesting times. 

I also forgot that he was the driving (see what I did there?) force behind the $2 donation / vouching restrictions over at KLOV.