Driverman fined $12,000 for spamming

[BadMouth]

I decided to do a search and see if our old friend has been up to anything interesting.
It's from January, but I didn't see where it had been posted here.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11388328

Such a case came to a close at Manukau District Court last week, in what was the first defended anti-spam case in New Zealand, and the first civil pecuniary penalty application to be heard through to completion.

It began back in July 2012, when Auckland man Zeljko Aksentijevic sent 2230 commercial electronic messages that included links to his free Android app Crazy Tilt Arcade Challenge, largely to members of an internet gaming forum, following an online argument.

The emails were mainly abusive in nature but also contained links to a webpage promoting the app.

Aksentijevic had also sent the emails from a number of different email addresses in an attempt to keep his identity anonymous. Even after being put on notice by the Department of Internal Affairs, he continued to send emails.

In ordering him to pay $12,000 last week, Judge Charles Blackie singled out the hostile nature of his emails as an aggravating factor, remarking that breaching the act was one thing but "adding a veneer of abuse" was another.

Last Tuesday: Auckland man Zeljko Aksentijevic fined $12,000 plus costs in the Manukau District Court after sending 2230 commercial electronic messages that included links to his free Android app Crazy Tilt Arcade Challenge, largely to members of an internet gaming forum, following an online argument. It was the first defended anti-spam case in New Zealand, and the first civil pecuniary penalty application to be heard through to completion.

 

[pbj]

So is his app any good or what?

[yotsuya]

That's ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?--- awesome.

[Le Chuck]

Oh man that's awesome. Awesome awesome awesome.

[yotsuya]

The "veneer of abuse" line is interesting. Hipsters,  take notice.

[Well Fed Games]

That made my day. 

[saint]

That is beyond awesome.

[yotsuya]

For the love of drugs, where is he going to come up with the money?

[pbj]

What were his crimes against BYOAC exactly?  I've been around awhile and don't really remember anything...

[yotsuya]

 Oh man, where to begin?

Pretty much the same thing it sounds like he got fined for. He just posted some really, really weird stuff. He also have these weird theatrical personas, that was nothing short of drug-induced, it seemed. He kept coming back with different user names, but it was pretty easy right away to see who he was.

[BadMouth]

What were his crimes against BYOAC exactly?  I've been around awhile and don't really remember anything...

I don't even remember the original arguments anymore.

What I do remember is him using scripts to make massive amounts of spam posts for hours and also trying to hack our BYOAC accounts.

[yotsuya]

He tried to come up with some world wide MAME scoreboard using people's HI files... he argued that XXX- in-1 boards couldn't be illegal because you could buy then from China.... I think he did something with video card drivers as well....

[BadMouth]

Here's some trollin' that was toned down enough to escape post hell:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,108728.msg1156405.html#msg1156405

I wonder what ever happened to Derrick......

[yotsuya]

Heh- he's trollin' on page one of that thread under a different name....

[Vigo]

  If you hadn't posted that article I would never have believed it. Wow.

[pbj]

People around here are taking way too much delight in legal misery just because you dislike someone's personality.

[yotsuya]

People around here are taking way too much delight in legal misery just because you dislike someone's personality.

Says the guy with a bet on James Foley....

[yotsuya]

I just read a different article... Like BadMouth pointed out, he was actually warned by the government to cut it out but he persisted anyway. Yeah, I don't feel sorry for his ass one bit...

I think the site he was spamming was Neo-Geo.com

[yotsuya]

Confirmed photo of Driver-Man:

[Vigo]

<<ABSOLUTELY ZERO SURPRISE>>>

Even the stupid grin on his face saying "It's me! Your friendly neighborhood Driver-Man!"

[dmckean]

Confirmed photo of Driver-Man:

That picture kind of reminds me of this:

[BadMouth]

People around here are taking way too much delight in legal misery just because you dislike someone's personality.

I'll take delight in whatever quantities I can get it.
That "going dark" thread was making me depressed.
This gem here brought me back out of it.



Someone see what Adam David Dave Judd Adams has been up to!!!!

[ark_ader]

Its in NZ currency so that equals about $6000.

Lots of appeals and a psych exam = eventually a plea deal worth $60.

Its NZ and we all remember Kim.Com...

Awww.  And he was so easy to wind up too...

Well there is still Haze to play with. 

[DaOld Man]

How do you know for sure it was him?

His posts started out asking simple questions that would turn into very long and tiring posts where he would argue, then wind up presenting the same question over and over.
His rants about using the parallel port made my eyes bleed.
 

[BadMouth]

How do you know for sure it was him?

Back when he was trolling as abaraba, me and another member came about his real name via two unrelated routes.
When he started annoying people on a google board, they also dug up all his personal info and posted it online as a way trying to make him stop (he didn't).
I'm sure it hasn't helped him employment-wise.  You could read his resume online at one point.  (seems he was doing ok building basic custom database type programs for a while, then had to take a job installing water filters...or something like that).   

This is how the people that reported him were able to give an actual name and address to the NZ authorities.
There is no doubt it's him.

The way I found his real name was that he was proud of a Linux distro he released, so he put his real name on it.  There was a short interview with him on some linux website about it.
It listed abaraba@yahoo as the email address for support.  There was also a link in the article to his blog which contained his usual nonsensical ramblings we'd all recognize, but he dropped his real name in a couple posts as well.  Once I had that, it was easy to find other connections and other usernames that incorporated parts of his real name.

EDIT: [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.games.mame/b8S-0Nc9fHs/SjSM93GI-O4J
Some classic foul mouth obnoxious trolling in that thread.....

[pbj]

That sounds like an effective use of your time. 

Anyway, I've always found the fixation on 720 to be a bit unusual.  And he's not the only one that shares that interest.  That game was desirable precisely until the moment Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 came out...

[BadMouth]

That sounds like an effective use of your time. 

I use my time on things I enjoy, it's like the google version of watching dateline.

[nitrogen_widget]

That sounds like an effective use of your time. 

I use my time on things I enjoy, it's like the google version of watching dateline.

I don't know the history with this guy so i won't comment on that but I do particularly like it when someone who is being a complete ass-hat is told to cut it out & slapped HARD when they don't.

Those types of people need to learn a lesson in the worst way.

[yotsuya]

That sounds like an effective use of your time. 

I use my time on things I enjoy, it's like the google version of watching dateline.

I don't know the history with this guy so i won't comment on that but I do particularly like it when someone who is being a complete ass-hat is told to cut it out & slapped HARD when they don't.

Those types of people need to learn a lesson in the worst way.

I know, right?

[eds1275]

How do you know for sure it was him?

His posts started out asking simple questions that would turn into very long and tiring posts where he would argue, then wind up presenting the same question over and over.
His rants about using the parallel port made my eyes bleed.

Xaiou?

[ark_ader]

How do you know for sure it was him?

His posts started out asking simple questions that would turn into very long and tiring posts where he would argue, then wind up presenting the same question over and over.
His rants about using the parallel port made my eyes bleed.

Xaiou?

Really?   

[lilshawn]

noice. 

wasn't there a thread a while back with him claiming the parallel port was a far superior zero lag input opposed to usb which had a few miliseconds of delay  ...and andy (of ultimarc fame) not only shot him down, but turned his claim into swiss cheese?

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,105987.0.html


ahhh the good old days.

[SavannahLion]

noice. 

wasn't there a thread a while back with him claiming the parallel port was a far superior zero lag input opposed to usb which had a few miliseconds of delay  ...and andy (of ultimarc fame) not only shot him down, but turned his claim into swiss cheese?

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,105987.0.html


ahhh the good old days.

I'm still a little miffed no one answered my question about belligerent Kool-Aid Man thing.

[PL1]

I'm still a little miffed no one answered my question about belligerent Kool-Aid Man thing.

Pretty sure it was a nickname that Chad bestowed on Genesim -- there are more related posts in the linked thread.  Oh yeah. 

Chadtower,

How is it arrogant and condescending if it is TRUE!

That's my point exactly, and rather than thinking on it a bit, you staggered forward like a belligerent Koolaid Man.  I gave up on trying to discuss the concept with you many posts ago... I think I'm pretty much done here now as well.   

Scott

[Xiaou2]

How do you know for sure it was him?

His posts started out asking simple questions that would turn into very long and tiring posts where he would argue, then wind up presenting the same question over and over.
His rants about using the parallel port made my eyes bleed.

Xaiou?

 No.

 A Dev challenged him that he couldnt write a better arcade controller driver for 720... cause they didnt want to do the work... and fix the input mess.

 The dev insulted him... then He stepped up... programmed something... though, not sure if what he did was 100%  working.

 He then got into a heated battle with the dev.. cause the dev was balking at his code mthodologies...resulting in backlashes of angry spam gibberish.

Eventually a work around was made... though, in my opinion... its so generic and non intuitive. . Most probably wont even know it exists.  It alsi still doesnt fix all the other arcade interfaces that are not supported...

Anyways.. After many bans.. he returned with a phone based tilt driver.  Which I dont understand... cause its just not gonna give good accurate control... so why even bother?  After that. . Never heard a thing from him aroud here.


 One things for sure... while the guy may have some genius. .. he also has some major mental issues.  Its too bad really.  Hopfully in time, such issues will have a cure.

[pbj]

Well said, xiaou.  Thank you for the recap.

[Howard_Casto]

I will say this, the mame devs have been out of touch for a while.  They are all nice guys and I generally think they do a great job, BUT they have been known to reject code just because they don't like the way it's coded or it goes against their "philosophy".  If there is a bug or the patch somehow deviates from accuracy then sure, but sorry, mame is a group project, if it works, accept it.  If you don't like the way it's structured fix it yourself as you obviously know how you want it. 

Driver was wrong about the 720 thing in a general sense, but he did come up with a working solution.  The appropriate, mature thing to do would have been for the mame team to accept it, thank him for his efforts, and then modify it a bit so that it was more the way they wanted it, and that would have been the end of it.  Maturity seems to be in short supply on the internet these days though. 

I've been silent on this thread but it's been bothering me.  I can't really take pleasure in the misfortune of others at this stage in my life, even if they are "bad" or if they "deserved it"  I always want good things for everybody even if I'm always not that good at showing it.

[SavannahLion]

It's very difficult to respect DM's coding when he goes out of his way bashing every other coder, even when he's deriving his code from their work. From the top of my head he's supposedly created the 720 "driver", Tilt Taxi, a modified BIOS, and a Linux distro with modified OpenGL (IIRC) drivers. Is that "overall" download his too?

It's the modified BIOS that basically closed his doors for me. Gotta have an excellent argument to shove a BIOS hack under the hood and he just didn't have one as most of his argument was deriding the original BIOS authors with almost no groundwork to support him. The Linux distro was a joke, simply a repackaging of an existing distro with some, from what I can tell, simple modifications to the OpenGL implementation. Again, he derided the original developers from top to bottom whose code he used to create that distro. Come to think of it, I think he made the claim at one point that that distro was ALL his code when it clearly wasn't.

He reminds me of a pissed off Steve Gibson.

I can't recall a single scrap of code or program he published that didn't involve pages and pages of technical nonsense and derisive behavior.

[Xiaou2]

It's very difficult to respect DM's coding when he goes out of his way bashing every other coder, even when he's deriving his code from their work. From the top of my head he's supposedly created the 720 "driver", Tilt Taxi, a modified BIOS, and a Linux distro with modified OpenGL (IIRC) drivers. Is that "overall" download his too?

It's the modified BIOS that basically closed his doors for me. Gotta have an excellent argument to shove a BIOS hack under the hood and he just didn't have one as most of his argument was deriding the original BIOS authors with almost no groundwork to support him. The Linux distro was a joke, simply a repackaging of an existing distro with some, from what I can tell, simple modifications to the OpenGL implementation. Again, he derided the original developers from top to bottom whose code he used to create that distro. Come to think of it, I think he made the claim at one point that that distro was ALL his code when it clearly wasn't.

He reminds me of a pissed off Steve Gibson.

I can't recall a single scrap of code or program he published that didn't involve pages and pages of technical nonsense and derisive behavior.

 Dont know anything about that...  but I do know,  that no dev stepped up to allow a real or recreated 720 controller until driverman.

 And to tbis day... no dev has finalized multichannel sound output.   What year are we living in.  ?!

 People are gutting cabs instead of restoring them. .. because mame devs refusal to allow original control inputs. .. multi speaker outputs... etc.    Until howards work.... there wasnt even a way to interface force feedback and lighting.   And still many games are unplayable due to inputs that dont match the hardware.

 When one guy stepped up... he got insulted and blasted.   While his response was way over the top... it was still a reason to get angered.

 Haze will tell you that its more important that time and money be wasted on some pile of turd gambling games... games that nobody cared about when they were new.. and nobody cares about today.. nor even in the distant future.  Lets be real... there are tbings in this world worth saving.... like a vintage car.   Then there are things that people should just plain burn... like Radioshack speakers. They hold zero value in anyones perspective... because they are cheaply made speakeds with wretched sounding drivers.

[ark_ader]

I will say this, the mame devs have been out of touch for a while.  They are all nice guys and I generally think they do a great job, BUT they have been known to reject code just because they don't like the way it's coded or it goes against their "philosophy".  If there is a bug or the patch somehow deviates from accuracy then sure, but sorry, mame is a group project, if it works, accept it.  If you don't like the way it's structured fix it yourself as you obviously know how you want it. 

Driver was wrong about the 720 thing in a general sense, but he did come up with a working solution.  The appropriate, mature thing to do would have been for the mame team to accept it, thank him for his efforts, and then modify it a bit so that it was more the way they wanted it, and that would have been the end of it.  Maturity seems to be in short supply on the internet these days though. 

I've been silent on this thread but it's been bothering me.  I can't really take pleasure in the misfortune of others at this stage in my life, even if they are "bad" or if they "deserved it"  I always want good things for everybody even if I'm always not that good at showing it.

Well said.  Haze was a principle instigator of this policy when he was running the show before Aaron took over.  It pissed a bunch of people off.  I do not condone this type of mentality or behaviour, as most coders are notoriously ---smurfing--- lazy, but a standard should be set and followed for submitting work to a project.  If it doesn't reach this standard then the work should be rejected.

Again I agree, with you on the "good things intended for everyone", but like my hero, Mr. Foley, he is serving time for being a naughty boy, not to mention being ridiculed for some comical and ironical circumstances...

DriverMan has been caught and is having to sell his beloved 720 and Linux box to pay his restitution.  I'll say just its karma, and leave it at that. 

Maybe you could "pay it forward" and crowdfund his debt to help him out.   

[Howard_Casto]

I think you are confused man.  I never cared for the guy and I think he probably got what was coming to him.  What I find messed up is the fact that some of you seem to be reveling in his misery.  It's sad that it came to this for him, I'm not going to join in on the celebration because it isn't anything to celebrate. 

I come to Bury Caesar, not to praise him.

[emphatic]

Thanks for posting this.


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[Le Chuck]

Caesar this man wasn't, and he's not dead - he got fined for trolling. Let's dial back the indignant rhetoric a bit. You never felt a ping of satisfaction when the nozzle driving crazy on the freeway gets pulled over? Same thing.

[yotsuya]

I'm reveling in the fact that that type of behavior got what was coming to it. You don't listen to the mods here and you keep acting like an ---uvula---, you get banned. You don't listen to the authorities and you keep acting like an ---uvula---, you get fined. Same thing. I agree with ark, it's karma, and I for one am glad to see that type of anti-social behavior get what it deserves.

[Xiaou2]

Generally speaking. .. a reckless driver ... is a behavioral choice.  A mental illness or other biologocal issue... is not a choice.  If omeone goes.overboard to such a degree. . Its clear that there is such a problem,  and that is sad.

 To mock and even revel in something like this.... is like making fun of a handicapped person for falling out of their wheelchair.

 I personally believe in reincarnation.   That we have , and will live again.    In such a case... this kind of behavior,  could be your future self.   Nobody should wish that upon anyone.  But that is our reality.  Some of us will always be predispositioned to certain behaviors, thoughts and feelings.  Its nothing to be celebrating.  We can only have hope that if and or when we are in such a spot... others will understand and be compassionate. .. As well as hope for a cure.

 Btw... if the dev hadnt insulted and mocked the guy... he might have been more productive and not have went off the deep end. One should always consider whom one is dealing with... and keep ones words and intensities in fair check.  As somene who has problems... and or is a victim of low self-esteem and or a lifetime of abuses... and or with some biological issues.... they are never going to be as good at handling negativity.

[yotsuya]

I'm "celebrating" the fact that someone DID something substantial about that type of behavior on the Internet. I've been online for about 20 years - Driverman wasn't the first --cream-filled twinkie-- I've come across who acted like that.

And stop making the perpetrator a victim here. You don't know if he has a disorder or illness that makes him like that. Can it be enough to say that someone is simply an ---uvula---?

[Xiaou2]

I'm "celebrating" the fact that someone DID something substantial about that type of behavior on the Internet. I've been online for about 20 years - Driverman wasn't the first --cream-filled twinkie-- I've come across who acted like that.

And stop making the perpetrator a victim here. You don't know if he has a disorder or illness that makes him like that. Can it be enough to say that someone is simply an ---uvula---?

On a daily basiz... there are plenty of jerks around here that could and or should be slapped with a fish.
Its good that he was put in his place...  but not good that he has such an issue that caused it to require that.

 Its VERY clear the guy has issues.   Someone like lechuck (sorry... no offense man. We all can be guilty of it)  can be a tool at times... but thats more of a choice. You  an easily tell the kind of difference in the behavior.  The level of extremity.   The obsession level.. that goes way beyond mere passion.

 Sadly.. ive grew up with family that have many forms of mental illnesses... so ive gotten quite good in recent years identifying behaviors and spotting these people. Along with understanding and gaining control of much milder behavior flare ups myself.

[Le Chuck]

Hector Projector in the hizzy

[Xiaou2]

Hector Projector in the hizzy

 Heh.  Sad to say,  but Im not even close to Projecting.

 Re-read the rants, the language, the repeated text lines, and the behaviors based on provocation.   If you dont believe me, take the stuff to a psychologist and have them tell you.

 Almost everyone has some form of issue.   The easiest way to show this... is to see what happens when you get someone drunk.
Some people are happy drunks  (thats me.  Ill smile like a fool, giggle like a kid... and start doing  "drunken foo+ L"  for fun)    And yet others get extremely angry and negative.

 What I noticed... is that many people have a biological tilt towards a certain way of feeling and thinking.  There are many whom are more tilted towards anger, impatience, negativity, and disconentment.  These people get fairly decent at gaining enough control to present themselves as somewhat normal.  However, internally... they are cursing, thinking very critical, negative, and brutal thoughts. They are biting their tongues most of their life... but when they get a drink or few in them... they no longer can hold back their true nature.

 On the other hand... Ive met people tilted far to the Happy go Lucky side.  There is almost Nothing that these people dont like or love.  They dont see problems as a big deal.  They dont feel pain and stresses on the same level.  They dont take things too serious.  They are very rare to get angered... and quick to bounce right back.  Overly accepting of negative behaviors from people around them.  They often paint a rainbow over everything they see... even when its far from the reality of the situation.  Sometimes I wish I was like that...

 And thats just the tip of the iceburg.   Then you get into deeper and more serious afflictions... like OCD, ADD / ADHD, Phobias / Anxieties, Bi-Polarism, Narcissism, and far more.   Many people have these things to lesser degrees... and Ive seen people with combinations of these things ... to form some outrageously deranged  thoughts, behaviors, and feelings.   Not just in my own families.. but in many others whom Ive met in my nearly 42 years of life.   Being a tech, as well as being so passionate in so many areas of life... I tend to meet all kinds of people on a regular basis.   But the reality is... I never realized the depths of mental illnesses.. until only more recently.   I saw the odd behaviors.. and tried to justify them... but nothing ever made sense.   After doing a lot of research on the subjects, as well as much more careful observation and even questionings... Ive gained a lot more depth of insight to how bad the situation really is.  How poor our mental health state really is.. on a massive scale...   and the kinds of oddities that these people think, feel, and do.

[BadMouth]

I'm an overly even keeled and logical person.  When drunk, I'm even more even keeled, just not as coordinated.  I'm a boring drunk.

Mentally illness or not, I do not feel any guilt for being happy about an ---uvula--- getting what he deserves.   When people get what they deserve, it brings me joy, good or bad.

I don't code, but even I could tell that his coding was mostly copy and paste jobs specifically for the purpose of trolling.  He'd even posted that "this is theater for me"

[eds1275]

I am probably alone in thinking this, in our day of overly political correctness, but if someone has an illness, mental, physical, or spiritual, that doesn't make it suddenly ok.

[Xiaou2]

I am probably alone in thinking this, in our day of overly political correctness, but if someone has an illness, mental, physical, or spiritual, that doesn't make it suddenly ok.

 Of course not.

 But then again... what do you do if you have Tourette syndrome ?

 The point isnt that we should do nothing... its that we should learn to recognize when someone has issues... and to be less aggressive / abrasive...   as well as to have a pinch of compassion, patience, and flexibility.

 

I'm an overly even keeled and logical person.  When drunk, I'm even more even keeled, just not as coordinated.  I'm a boring drunk.

Mentally illness or not, I do not feel any guilt for being happy about an ---uvula--- getting what he deserves.   When people get what they deserve, it brings me joy, good or bad.

I don't code, but even I could tell that his coding was mostly copy and paste jobs specifically for the purpose of trolling.  He'd even posted that "this is theater for me"

 Well, when my father drinks.. it caused his phobias to go into overdrive, as well as his Bipolar issues to flip out.  Basically, he goes from Jeckle to Hyde.   His father. I never knew... because he drank his liver to failure, before he turned 40.  He was an angry and hyper critical person.  A pushy abusive perfectionist...  a man so rigid, that mere everyday existence was too much to cope with.  His abuse caused major mental issues to develop in his children...   my father being the worse off... because he wasnt smart enough to live up to the unrealistic expectations his father set.  This Rigidity, is a form of illness.  Among many other issues he had... such as intentionally starting brawls at the bar on a regular basis.

 Everyone will react differently to booz, depending on the kind of person you are, as well as the biological issues you may have.  To some, like my uncle... he has ADHD..  I believe it keeps his mind slightly less active... or making it less memorable... with dealing with overwhelming stream of intense thoughts.  Interestingly...although he is great at memorization... he has very poor ability to figure things out in the street smarts kind of way. For example, he squeezes his toothpaste tube from the middle.  Thats a small example.. and it only gets worse from there.


 But anyways...  Ever think why some people Are Buttheads?    Some people are born into families of learned bad behaviors, been though major abuses, as well as have mental issues.   Why else would someone desire to cause a lot of trouble on a grand scale, regularly?

 Throwing rocks at such a person will never change their behaviors.  It Might just make them worse.

 While Im not saying to feel guilt for this or others like this... what I am saying, is that nobody should really be happy about a person whom has mental illness.

 Once I had someone jump out their car, wanting to fight.  Said  " No cops... lets go, lets fight now ".   He was an arms distance to me the entire time.    At this time, I was 1000% on my game... as I was currently training daily, and teaching a few students.  I had little doubt I could take him out in a mere second.   However... I thought about the consequences about my actions...

 Had he attacked, Id had destroyed his knee with a kick.   He may have a job, family and kids.   He might lose his job.. due to the injury.   He may lose the ability to take good care of his family.  He might even lose his wife and family, as a result.   So, instead of striking out,  tossing insults,  raising my voice...etc...   I kept calm and tried to figure out why this guy wanted to fight.

 His accent was heavy... so it was difficult.   But I realized what happened:  When I was waiting for an opportunity to make a turn onto a side street... I saw this car in my rear view mirror speed up from out of nowhere like a rocket.   Traffic was heavy, so Id been waiting for a chance to make the turn... but because this car was coming up from behind so fast... Id missed a recent opportunity to make my turn.   The guy stopped right behind me... and eventually traffic let up, and I made the turn.   Didnt realize it... but the guy followed me right to my driveway...

 The guy had thought I didnt make the turn, so that he would intentionally slam into me.   Very odd thinking for sure.  Anyways, I explained the issue... and eventually the guy, still angered (but reduced instead of elevated... )  and spouting some insults... drove off.

 Why would a guy go off like this?    Biologically more geared towards anger and hostility?  How he was raised and abused?  I dont know.  But I do know that he had major issues... and breaking his leg, or worse...   would not have solved his problems.

 As Ive said, one Should have compassion and understanding in these issues... because that Could be you one day.   It could be someone you know.  It could be someone who experimented with a drug... and it totally flipped him inside out.   Whatever the reason... he is still a human being.  Hopefully he will grow up and or calm down, later in life.

[eds1275]

 Of course not.

 But then again... what do you do if you have Tourette syndrome ?

Tourette's is not used as an excuse for leniency in murder trials. That's the kind of thing I was referring to.

[Le Chuck]

Seems like someone who has trouble taking responsibility for their own situation in life doesn't think that others should have to either. Huge shocker. Huge.

[dkersten]

I am probably alone in thinking this, in our day of overly political correctness, but if someone has an illness, mental, physical, or spiritual, that doesn't make it suddenly ok.

 Of course not.

 But then again... what do you do if you have Tourette syndrome ?

Tourette's makes you blurt things out inadvertently.  It takes discipline to sit and type something on a computer, the opposite of what Tourette's allows one to do.  The fact that the guy was not healthy in the head does not excuse him for being a --cream-filled twinkie-- online.  Narcissism is a mental disorder, but not one that allows people to be an ---uvula--- indiscriminately. 

I agree with Le Chuck here.. defending someone else by saying it wasn't his fault doesn't exactly help your own case. 

[ark_ader]

Seems like someone who has trouble taking responsibility for their own situation in life doesn't think that others should have to either. Huge shocker. Huge.

 

[Xiaou2]

I am probably alone in thinking this, in our day of overly political correctness, but if someone has an illness, mental, physical, or spiritual, that doesn't make it suddenly ok.

 Of course not.

 But then again... what do you do if you have Tourette syndrome ?

Tourette's makes you blurt things out inadvertently.  It takes discipline to sit and type something on a computer, the opposite of what Tourette's allows one to do.  The fact that the guy was not healthy in the head does not excuse him for being a --cream-filled twinkie-- online.  Narcissism is a mental disorder, but not one that allows people to be an ---uvula--- indiscriminately. 

I agree with Le Chuck here.. defending someone else by saying it wasn't his fault doesn't exactly help your own case.

 Who said Im defending him?   Is someone Reading or Constructing a world that does not exist?  Yup.  Its typical.

 I said, I dont take Delight in someones handicap.   That its nothing to be happy about.  That its Sad, that someone is so mentally unstable, that he feels compelled to continually attack.

 Sure, Tourette's is involuntary.   However, being imbalanced is equally crippling.  It can ruin ones life.  As seen in such a case.  It colors their world in ways that dont exist.  It makes them react in extreme ways that most never would.

 Does it make it ok?   Nope.   My own father should have been locked up Years ago!

 However, that doesnt mean I revel in wishing him, or others, in pain and suffering.   In fact, being like that... is its own punishment.  Its constant pain and suffering.  Its a broken life.

 What people Should aspire to do... is to work harder to create cures for these things... rather than to complain about the result of these peoples actions and Reactions.   Diagnosis of these people should start out at an earlier age, and so dangerous people are kept in check before they actually cause great abuse and or harm to others.   Not like today... where such a thing only happens after the Bodies are found.  Where even when a mentally unstable person is locked up... he is never fully evaluated.  Hence, the cycle of trouble keeps going on and on.. probably getting worse and worse over the years.

 Had someone seen this kind of behavior in "Driverman"  years ago... maybe some consoling + meds, could have reduced and or subverted the actions seen here.

 
 And finally, to those trying to drag me into your ideals of irresponsibility, I was with your mothers, and they said you all still wet your beds at night.

[emphatic]

Apparently, "the forum that are lawyers" are responsible for him seeing charges: http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?256528-Zeljko-Aksentijevic-convicted-in-first-defended-anti-spam-case-in-New-Zealand


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[SavannahLion]

And finally, to those trying to drag me into your ideals of irresponsibility, I was with your mothers, and they said you all still wet your beds at night.

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure necrophilia is illegal in NZ and most U.S. states.

[yotsuya]

And finally, to those trying to drag me into your ideals of irresponsibility, I was with your mothers, and they said you all still wet your beds at night.

[ark_ader]

DM is still lurking around.  Last time I saw him here was when he was touting his arcade batch file tool.

[dkersten]

Who said Im defending him?   Is someone Reading or Constructing a world that does not exist?  Yup.  Its typical.

But you ARE defending him here by saying that it wasn't really his fault, it was his illness.  His illness here is he is a major narcissist who can't accept being wrong.  It IS a mental disorder, but there isn't medication for it and even if there were it still isn't an excuse for his behavior.  Even if it is a case where your illness prevents you from being able to control yourself, why blame anyone or anything else other than yourself?  Own it, even if you don't like it.  And if you CAN do something about it, like take your meds, seek counseling, or just choose to make better decisions, the healthy thing to do is to take responsibility for your actions, not use your condition as a crutch to support your actions.  The point I am trying to make is that blaming your problems on everyone or everything else other than yourself (rather than just owning the blame and taking responsibility) is a surefire way to keep repeating the same behavior that gets you in trouble in the first place.  In this guy's case, he kept digging himself a hole that eventually caved in on him.

This guy deserved what he got, and some people enjoy when justice is served.  I don't know this guy, but I can appreciate the results because we all know someone who needs to be slapped by a judge and maybe even thrown in jail so they can wake up and stop believing some of the crap they spew.  I only hope that someone as self centered as this guy doesn't have kids or a significant other.

[saint]

And finally, to those trying to drag me into your ideals of irresponsibility, I was with your mothers, and they said you all still wet your beds at night.

Really? Really? 

[nitrogen_widget]

And finally, to those trying to drag me into your ideals of irresponsibility, I was with your mothers, and they said you all still wet your beds at night.

Really? Really? 

If I was homeless, jobless, no place to go, ect. the last thing i'd be doing would be posting on this web site just to insult people.
No offence Saint, as fine a Forum as it is, I think i'd have more important things to do.

[SavannahLion]

Who said Im defending him?   Is someone Reading or Constructing a world that does not exist?  Yup.  Its typical.

But you ARE defending him here by saying that it wasn't really his fault, it was his illness.  His illness here is he is a major narcissist who can't accept being wrong.  It IS a mental disorder, but there isn't medication for it and even if there were it still isn't an excuse for his behavior.  Even if it is a case where your illness prevents you from being able to control yourself, why blame anyone or anything else other than yourself?  Own it, even if you don't like it.  And if you CAN do something about it, like take your meds, seek counseling, or just choose to make better decisions, the healthy thing to do is to take responsibility for your actions, not use your condition as a crutch to support your actions.  The point I am trying to make is that blaming your problems on everyone or everything else other than yourself (rather than just owning the blame and taking responsibility) is a surefire way to keep repeating the same behavior that gets you in trouble in the first place.  In this guy's case, he kept digging himself a hole that eventually caved in on him.

This guy deserved what he got, and some people enjoy when justice is served.  I don't know this guy, but I can appreciate the results because we all know someone who needs to be slapped by a judge and maybe even thrown in jail so they can wake up and stop believing some of the crap they spew.  I only hope that someone as self centered as this guy doesn't have kids or a significant other.

Unfortunately, that let's-blame-anything-except-the-person-responsible mentality is the new norm now.

The roles have been reversed for all of us. I'm just warning you that things will get worse before the "normals" wise up and start pushing back.

[dkersten]

Unfortunately, that let's-blame-anything-except-the-person-responsible mentality is the new norm now.

The roles have been reversed for all of us. I'm just warning you that things will get worse before the "normals" wise up and start pushing back.

I think it goes along with the entitlement mentality.. they expect everything to be handed to them with little to no work, and when things go wrong it is someone else's fault.  The egos that some people must have today... 

[eds1275]

And finally, to those trying to drag me into your ideals of irresponsibility, I was with your mothers, and they said you all still wet your beds at night.

bwahahaha I actually loled at that. But now lets all go running back to the "Bye?" post and let out our warm fuzzy feelings at this kind man who keeps our mothers warm at night.

[Vigo]

I think it is time to bust out the tiny violin.

[pbj]

I had to laugh at the irony of being told we had to respect any infirmities, whether real or imagined, yet mocking bed wetters.

[Le Chuck]

I had to laugh at the irony of being told we had to respect any infirmities, whether real or imagined, yet mocking bed wetters.

Growing up I was iron deficient.  I find the use of the term, "irony" extremely offensive as it reminds me of all the iron I didn't have as a child...which wasn't my fault. 

[Vigo]

I had to laugh at the irony of being told we had to respect any infirmities, whether real or imagined, yet mocking bed wetters.

Growing up I was iron deficient.  I find the use of the term, "irony" extremely offensive as it reminds me of all the iron I didn't have as a child...which wasn't my fault.

How Ferric. (Get it? I replaced iron with it's latin translation, ferrum, and an iron deficiency is lack of iron in the bloodstream to oxidize the body, while Ferric iron in chemisty is oxidized iron, Fe³⁺. See what I did there?? oh ---fudgesicle--- it, nevermind...chemistry humor sucks)

[pbj]

[wp34]

I had to laugh at the irony of being told we had to respect any infirmities, whether real or imagined, yet mocking bed wetters.

 

[emphatic]

What's next, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!?

[Le Chuck]

What's next, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!?

So be good, for goodness sake...somebody's comin'!

[SavannahLion]

Eeugh... is that Leslie Hall?

[ark_ader]

DM is still lurking around.  Last time I saw him here was when he was touting his arcade batch file tool.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,122214.0.html

[lilshawn]

I like the part where he said "."

Las insospechadas desventajas de ser muy inteligente.

/s
 

[BadMouth]

Upon appeal, he got the fine reduced to $250.
It's still funny that he was originally fined $12,000 and had to deal with legal crap for over a year. 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/77156327/spam-fine-slashed-on-appeal

Aksentijevic said he had begun sending the messages because of an abusive campaign against him conducted through the forum that arose because he accused some people of selling "bootleg games".

[CheffoJeffo]

I hadn't seen this. Thank you.

Never thought I would see Xouchey being funny on purpose. 

EDIT: Just went back and re-read the threads and various PMs DriverBabaMan sent me. Totally forgot how much he loved Xiaou2 and was hurt by the lack of reciprocation. Those were interesting times. 

I also forgot that he was the driving (see what I did there?) force behind the $2 donation / vouching restrictions over at KLOV.