Help me learn a $40 lesson

[Haloman800]

I was testing a 60 in 1 board along with wiring arcade buttons (I'm building an arcade from scratch, never done this).

The board powered up, controls worked, all was well. However P1 left wasn't working so I kept turning on the board, testing it, unplugging it, checking the wires, and repeating

I just plugged it back in and I heard a "pop" and now the board won't work at all. What did I do wrong? Any chance the board isn't fried?


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[yotsuya]

You didn't plug it in while the power was live/on, did you? These aren't hot swappable like that.

[ark_ader]

Sure.  Send me $40, then consider it a lesson learned.

While we are talking about lessons, how about rule #5.

This 60 in one board is illegal, and probably dead which is a saving grace, so which law said that 60 in one boards are legal?  It's not year 2090.

If you fry an original arcade main board, help should be given but an illegal board should be ignored.  Ethics.

[Mike A]

Yeah. Because dowloading the ROMs is  more ethical than buying the 60-1 boards.
Exactly how tall is your high horse?

[gdonovan]

Because dowloading the ROMs is  more ethical than buying the 60-1 boards.

I thought the same.

Can you take a picture of the component that let go? Might give some clue as to what happened.

To be honest depending on how much spare time you have you might be better off just going over your harness very close, checking the power supply voltages and buying another board.

[Titchgamer]

Sure.  Send me $40, then consider it a lesson learned.

While we are talking about lessons, how about rule #5.

This 60 in one board is illegal, and probably dead which is a saving grace, so which law said that 60 in one boards are legal?  It's not year 2090.

If you fry an original arcade main board, help should be given but an illegal board should be ignored.  Ethics.

Its unethical to to pounce on 1 guy for buying a freely available product when he asks for help.

Aint like most of us are any better really....

OP regarding your problem nobody will really be able to tell you what happened based on the info you gave.

The chances are something has shorted out which could of happened in any number of ways from damaged wires in a loom, a error on your part connecting something wrong, could even be you accidentally shorted 2 pins by resting them on a screw or something daft like that.
Could just be a faulty component.

Which part actually went pop?
Has one of the capacitors gone pop?

[yotsuya]

Sure.  Send me $40, then consider it a lesson learned.

While we are talking about lessons, how about rule #5.

This 60 in one board is illegal, and probably dead which is a saving grace, so which law said that 60 in one boards are legal?  It's not year 2090.

If you fry an original arcade main board, help should be given but an illegal board should be ignored.  Ethics.

Its unethical to to pounce on 1 guy for buying a freely available product when he asks for help.

Aint like most of us are any better really....

OP regarding your problem nobody will really be able to tell you what happened based on the info you gave.

The chances are something has shorted out which could of happened in any number of ways from damaged wires in a loom, a error on your part connecting something wrong, could even be you accidentally shorted 2 pins by resting them on a screw or something daft like that.
Could just be a faulty component.

Which part actually went pop?
Has one of the capacitors gone pop?

Yep, he fried the board. The same thing would probably happen to any arcade board if you plug and unplug it like that while the power is live. I stupidly did the same thing to a force feedback board in a racer that I own.

[Titchgamer]

Sure.  Send me $40, then consider it a lesson learned.

While we are talking about lessons, how about rule #5.

This 60 in one board is illegal, and probably dead which is a saving grace, so which law said that 60 in one boards are legal?  It's not year 2090.

If you fry an original arcade main board, help should be given but an illegal board should be ignored.  Ethics.

Its unethical to to pounce on 1 guy for buying a freely available product when he asks for help.

Aint like most of us are any better really....

OP regarding your problem nobody will really be able to tell you what happened based on the info you gave.

The chances are something has shorted out which could of happened in any number of ways from damaged wires in a loom, a error on your part connecting something wrong, could even be you accidentally shorted 2 pins by resting them on a screw or something daft like that.
Could just be a faulty component.

Which part actually went pop?
Has one of the capacitors gone pop?

Yep, he fried the board. The same thing would probably happen to any arcade board if you plug and unplug it like that while the power is live. I stupidly did the same thing to a force feedback board in a racer that I own.

If hes been unplugging the loom instead of the power very possibly lol

[big10p]

Maybe you plugged the edge connector in upside-down? That'd fry it.

Yeah. Because dowloading the ROMs is  more ethical than buying the 60-1 boards.
Exactly how tall is your high horse?

+1

[Malenko]

Its not against the rules to discuss the 60 in 1 or fixing them, we just cant discuss where to get them (or link to store fronts).

That being said, the board probably isnt worth trouble shooting just get a replacement.  Is your JAMMA loom keyed? IE, is there a plastic piece separating the power side of the jamma from the rest?
If its not, get one that is. Already stated, but worth repeating is, dont try to hot swap it. Power down before connecting or disconnecting the edge connector.

I'd still like to see pix of the damage

[paigeoliver]

Examine all your caps carefully, I overvolted one of those boards once and popped a cap and it was fine after I replaced the cap. If that isn't it then it isn't worth troubleshooting further.

[pbj]

Except that store fronts that sell those boards also have banner advertisements on this very website.

 

Anyway, he's clearly getting power from the molex connector.  Probably flipped the JAMMA harness, pressed some buttons, and shorted out the power supply.

[Nephasth]

$40? I remember when these things were north of $100...

[paigeoliver]

$40? I remember when these things were north of $100...

The traditional long term arcade vendors tended to charge a lot more for them than the guys who work out of their house. They have been hovering around $50 now for many years.

[Nephasth]

$40? I remember when these things were north of $100...

The traditional long term arcade vendors tended to charge a lot more for them than the guys who work out of their house. They have been hovering around $50 now for many years.

Last one I bought was $60 plus shipping about 5 years ago.

[JDFan]

$40? I remember when these things were north of $100...

The traditional long term arcade vendors tended to charge a lot more for them than the guys who work out of their house. They have been hovering around $50 now for many years.

Last one I bought was $60 plus shipping about 5 years ago.

If you don't need it in a hurry you can get them from China for around $35 including the shipping

[ark_ader]

Yeah. Because dowloading the ROMs is  more ethical than buying the 60-1 boards.
Exactly how tall is your high horse?

Well it's way up there.  60 in one boards do not show copyright information in the games, and they run old mame software.  I can download legal roms that have been donated to the community.  Remember Star Roms?  There are alternatives.

Clearly you guys are riding pigmy ponies.

[Mike A]

Those are pygmy ponies. At least spell it correctly if you are going to insult my integrity. I hope every ROM you have ever downloaded is 100 percent legal if you are willing to be a colossal --cream-filled twinkie-- over the issue.

[behrmr]

If you plugged it in and heard a pop you probably blew an SMD chip.  Look for one that is damaged.  You most likely over powered it or plugged it in backwards which is easy to do if your harness connector is not keyed.  Do you have power on your JAMMA harness or just on the connector on the side?  If you fed it more than 5.1-5.2v you probably blew it. 

And I have one of these on my test bench and I plug it in and pull it out while still powered on all of the time and have yet to damaged it. Doesn't mean it won't but doubt that's what did it.

[gdonovan]

One would think that a newcomer would be encouraged in these forums not berated.

WTF dude, you wake up with a stick up your bum this morning?

[Malenko]

I can download legal roms that have been donated to the community.  Remember Star Roms?  There are alternatives.

Clearly you guys are riding pigmy ponies.

Of the STAR ROMS and/or publicly released ROMs, none are available on the 60 in 1 board.
No one said that its not possible to use MAME without infringing on any copyrights, so I don't understand what  point you were trying to make.

[pbj]

Wasn't Star Roms shut down as a load of BS anyway?

[Malenko]

Wasn't Star Roms shut down as a load of BS anyway?

Nah they got the rights to resell, everything was on the up and up. But either sales weren't good or fees went up and their catalog dwindled down to like 25 ROMs then they shut down.
They havent been around for like 12 years but facts never slowed Ark down before, why should they now?

[paigeoliver]

Wasn't Star Roms shut down as a load of BS anyway?

Nah they got the rights to resell, everything was on the up and up. But either sales weren't good or fees went up and their catalog dwindled down to like 25 ROMs then they shut down.
They havent been around for like 12 years but facts never slowed Ark down before, why should they now?

I remember buying pretty much everything they had. However how in the world do I prove that now?

[pbj]

I remember buying pretty much everything they had. However how in the world do I prove that now?

For your sake, I hope you find some receipts or you done goofed.  The ROM Police have been merciless in their backtracing and consequences will never be the same.

[ark_ader]

Damn straight.  I'm going get on that high horse, and ride off into the sunset.  I remember reading how the 60 in one boards pissed off the mamedevs which can knock on rule 9.

The plot thickens....

[Haloman800]

Wow, it's nice to see my thread created such a vibrant discussion, lol.

Sorry for the delayed response. To answer questions:
1. The harness was plugged in the correct way
2. I only powered the board with molex (no power was hooked to the harness
3. I did not plug/unplug the harness while power was on
4. I had it plugged in to a power squid outlet, which was plugged into a normal wall outlet.

Here is a video of the board, if you want a closeup of any part, let me know


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[Mike A]

Sorry your thread got derailed. I just got irritated that you came here for help and the ROM policeman started spewing rule numbers and moral judgement at you. Notice he never answered whether her owned the rights to every ROM he has ever downloaded. Most of the people her are helpful. I will get out of the way and let the people who know their stuff try to help you out.

[Haloman800]

Sorry your thread got derailed. I just got irritated that you came here for help and the ROM policeman started spewing rule numbers and moral judgement at you. Notice he never answered whether her owned the rights to every ROM he has ever downloaded. Most of the people her are helpful. I will get out of the way and let the people who know their stuff try to help you out.

Thank you, I appreciate your help. If I can't fix this board, I just want to know what I did wrong so I don't break any more in the future.

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[Titchgamer]

Look at the board closely and look for any blown caps. They are the black cylindrical things with a cross on the top.
If they are blown the tops usually open up a little and they sometimes also diss-form slightly.

The other thing you can look at is any discolouration of the chips that may give you clues.

Use your nose (literally) and you may be able to smell out the dodgy component.

As for causes I listed some possibilities above but there are loads!

[Malenko]

another example where 1 hi res pic would have been better than a video

I didnt see any blown spots on the board so I really dont know what to say on what "popped"   Its entirely possible that you didnt do anything wrong and the board died.  They are mass produced and I dont think there is a QA team

[Mike A]

Sorry if I missed this, but did you try powering the board through the JAMMA connector instead of the molex plug? I don't know if that makes any difference with these boards.

[big10p]

Since you say the board does nothing now, I'd also check your input voltage. Maybe the PSU popped, and not the board...

[Malenko]

Sorry if I missed this, but did you try powering the board through the JAMMA connector instead of the molex plug? I don't know if that makes any difference with these boards.

That is actually a brilliant idea. When I did use a 60 in 1 I had it wired to a regular switching power supply.

[Nephasth]

Sorry if I missed this, but did you try powering the board through the JAMMA connector instead of the molex plug? I don't know if that makes any difference with these boards.

That is actually a brilliant idea. When I did use a 60 in 1 I had it wired to a regular switching power supply.

Also how I power mine.

[pbj]

Since you say the board does nothing now, I'd also check your input voltage. Maybe the PSU popped, and not the board...

Yes, check the power supply, and check the solder joints on the pins on the board where it plugs in.

[ark_ader]

Sorry your thread got derailed. I just got irritated that you came here for help and the ROM policeman started spewing rule numbers and moral judgement at you. Notice he never answered whether her owned the rights to every ROM he has ever downloaded. Most of the people her are helpful. I will get out of the way and let the people who know their stuff try to help you out.

Well unlike you I have a life, but to answer your rom question, I do have only 5 rom's in mame that I use as I have the physical board or disc from an approved licensed body.

I turn off auto correct on my phone, but when I get an update it activates again. So are still on a pigmy pony?

[pbj]

You don't own ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and if you have such a moral issue with being around ROM pirates, there's a simple solution:

[Malenko]

So are still on a pigmy pony?

Guess you don't have grammar correct and your phone doesn't know how to spell pygmy.

[ark_ader]

You don't own ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and if you have such a moral issue with being around ROM pirates, there's a simple solution:

Wow I guess I hit a nerve.  I think you need a time out.  If you cannot think objectively, that is your problem.  60 in one are not legal, find something that contradicts.

[Mike A]

Yarrrgh. Ye spelled pygmy wrong again. On my ship Ye be walkin' the plank fer such bad spellin'. ROM pirates have no time fer yer nonsense mister ROM policeman.

[Mike A]

from this day ferwerd, ye be gettin' only pirate talk from me Ark. I've learnt me lesson from me superior the great ROM policeman. Since I've no life of me own, It's a pirates life fer me. Yo Ho Yo Ho.

[Nephasth]

Legal...

[Mike A]

Is this ark_ader guy for real? I told a couple of guys even newer than me that people here are helpful and don't crap on you for no reason. This tool seems to be an exception. He keeps derailing this thread just to massage his ego because he thinks he has some kind of moral authority. He even told me I have no life. I didn't realize we were back in 3rd grade. That is why I will only address him in pirate talk from now on.

[yotsuya]

Ark Gotta Ark.

Actually, I  don't really disagree with him. If we're not allowed to tell people where to buy them, why should we "support" them?

[Mike A]

You would say it without being a condescending --cream-filled twinkie--. I would be more inclined to listen to what you have to say. I would lean toward helping someone out unless someone in charge of this thing told me not to. This site is full of instructions on how to use ROMs. I don't really see much of a difference. They are all shades of gray.

[Titchgamer]

Ark Gotta Ark.

Actually, I  don't really disagree with him. If we're not allowed to tell people where to buy them, why should we "support" them?

We all have a similar passion, we are breaking no rules and its good to help your fellow man.

Good enough reasons? LOL

[yotsuya]

When I started here,  talking about them was taboo. That seems to have relaxed over time,  but old habits die hard.

[Titchgamer]

I think the whole emulation scene  will always be Taboo tbh.

But at the end of the day its nut jobs like us that keep these games and machines etc alive that would otherwise probably vanish into the depths of time.

I would be very sad to think that a few generations down the line these things disappeared from memory.

I think anything we can do to stop that should be done for future gamers.

Yeah ime a soft old b*****d who loves his games....

[gdonovan]

But at the end of the day its nut jobs like us that keep these games and machines etc alive that would otherwise probably vanish into the depths of time.

The car clubs are no different. There are guys with a holier than thou attitude who insist their car is better because it has factory steel vs aftermarket replacement or argue some chalk mark is missing on the vehicle at hand or even if a car has the correct date coded mufflers!

If AMD did not make replacement sheet metal for our cars... I bet the hobby would just about die. All the parts cars are mostly gone and they were no great shakes to start with.

Oh the howls of outrage when it was learned I took an original spare Road Runner hood and made a big hole in it!

Go. Have fun. The reaper will be at your door soon enough and no one will care if you used an original or reproduction.

[paigeoliver]

Ark Gotta Ark.

Actually, I  don't really disagree with him. If we're not allowed to tell people where to buy them, why should we "support" them?

The ban on telling people where to buy them is at this point ridiculously outdated. Every second arcade vendor sells them. I can buy the boards locally from several sources. There are probably 15 or 20 actual physical stores in my area that have the full machines available for sale right out in the open. You can buy them freely on very popular websites that take the rights of ip holders very seriously, and allow ip holders to shut down infringing sales on a moment's notice, yet they are still there because not even the ip holders care.

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[Titchgamer]

Indeed, original stuff wont last forever.
It will all corrode, die and wither away the same as us.
At some point original stuff will be that rare that only millionaires will be able to afford to buy an original cabinet or whatever.

Thats when this thing we all love becomes distant memories and eventually lost to the annals of time.

[ark_ader]

OK this sounds right, I complain, most of you then bash me for being right, then rationalize. 

60 in one boards is kind of contradictory to BYOAC.  Build your own right?  Not buy a cheap illegal Chinese product and then promote it for all its glory.  Where to get it, how much it costs etc it's bad enough that this hobby rips off copywriter items, we need to strip it of all ownership markings.  Seriously?

If I am wrong, please show me. Correct me.  You cannot. 

[Mike A]

Yer the best matey. Ye are the smartest and most righteous. All hail king Ark!

[ark_ader]

Yer the best matey. Ye are the smartest and most righteous. All hail king Ark!

Cheers matey I'll be addin' this to me signature...arrr(k).

[leapinlew]

Sorry Ark, it's just a dooshy thing to do. Besides, it was really just a basic electronics question.

Some people just aren't familiar with how everything works on forums. I remember this one guy tried to put a Stargate mame build in the restore forums!   

See, even good people do dumb things once in a while.

[ark_ader]

Sorry Ark, it's just a dooshy thing to do. Besides, it was really just a basic electronics question.

Some people just aren't familiar with how everything works on forums. I remember this one guy tried to put a Stargate mame build in the restore forums!   

See, even good people do dumb things once in a while.

Actually that cab has a Dreamcast and Willams Arcade's Greatest Hits, hooked up to my Xarcade.  So there.        Not a 60 in one!

But I am guilty of restoring a Stargate without a working mainboard.  Shame on me.   

See, even good people do dumb things once in a while.

Yeah like you did just there. 

Seriously it is not the roms I am bothered about.  My beef is the promotion of 60 in ones.

[paigeoliver]

60 in 1 is indeed crap, and the controls people install with them most of the time is even crappier, and then the display they hook it up to is usually the crappiest. However 90 percent of everything is crap. I won't even look at the Mame facebook pages anymore, it is just 10,000 guys patting each other's backs because they were able to screw together a bartop kit and copy and config file onto a raspberry pi.

Sorry Ark, it's just a dooshy thing to do. Besides, it was really just a basic electronics question.

Some people just aren't familiar with how everything works on forums. I remember this one guy tried to put a Stargate mame build in the restore forums!   

See, even good people do dumb things once in a while.

Actually that cab has a Dreamcast and Willams Arcade's Greatest Hits, hooked up to my Xarcade.  So there.        Not a 60 in one!

But I am guilty of restoring a Stargate without a working mainboard.  Shame on me.   

See, even good people do dumb things once in a while.

Yeah like you did just there. 

Seriously it is not the roms I am bothered about.  My beef is the promotion of 60 in ones.

[leapinlew]

Seriously it is not the roms I am bothered about.  My beef is the promotion of 60 in ones.

Pretty sure a board exploding simply by plugging it in doesn't count as a promotion.

[leapinlew]

60 in 1 is indeed crap, and the controls people install with them most of the time is even crappier, and then the display they hook it up to is usually the crappiest. However 90 percent of everything is crap. I won't even look at the Mame facebook pages anymore, it is just 10,000 guys patting each other's backs because they were able to screw together a bartop kit and copy and config file onto a raspberry pi.

Amen to that.

I've been debating building a quality bartop using all the supplies that are readily at hand nowadays for the hell of it. I bet I could build it in a weekend for around $300. My question now is, who wants an arcade game that doesn't have one?

[ark_ader]

Seriously it is not the roms I am bothered about.  My beef is the promotion of 60 in ones.

Pretty sure a board exploding simply by plugging it in doesn't count as a promotion.

Yes I saw all the shrapnel on the box it came in.  In a large glorious image.  Terrible, just terrible.

[Titchgamer]

Its hardly promotion asking for help with a ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- board is it?
If anything its a off put I would say....

[CheffoJeffo]

Actually, I  don't really disagree with him. If we're not allowed to tell people where to buy them, why should we "support" them?

Same reason we support people who are using unlicensed ROMS. Because they are us.

[yotsuya]

Actually, I  don't really disagree with him. If we're not allowed to tell people where to buy them, why should we "support" them?

Same reason we support people who are using unlicensed ROMS. Because they are us.

To be fair, I'm not as adamant about it as Ark seems to be. I don't care one way or the other, I just think it's interesting that the attitudes on them have shifted so much. Again, when I started here, you couldn't even talk about the damn things. Now we're telling people what dip switches to use.

[CheffoJeffo]

There was a time when the MAMEDevs were very vocal about their opposition and that was reflected and magnified here. I think I may even have been in opposition at one point, although for the most part my position was that I'd like to be able to kick a couple of bucks to MAMEDev every time I bought a board that was based on MAME.

I guess they take it don't take it as personally any more. That's fine. Ark takes it personally enough for all of us.

[wp34]

There was a time when the MAMEDevs were very vocal about their opposition and that was reflected and magnified here. I think I may even have been in opposition at one point, although for the most part my position was that I'd like to be able to kick a couple of bucks to MAMEDev every time I bought a board that was based on MAME.

I guess they take it don't take it as personally any more. That's fine. Ark takes it personally enough for all of us.

Those were the days.  People on the forum used to go bananas anytime there was a listing for ROM's on eBay.  There were a couple of threads were people ganged up and reported the listing and then congratulated themselves as if they stopped a sex trafficker.    I get where Ark is coming from even if I don't agree with him. 

[ark_ader]

Well maybe I should explain myself first on reflection of past posts.  I work in the software support industry and have seen first hand how piracy can affect a software house, and subsequent financial impacts.  Old out of date software does not really fit here but a product that strips brand ownership is really bad.  If 60 in one boards left copywriter information, I would not be as vocal.

[Mike A]

Fair enough. Try to work on your delivery. You really dropped the hammer on the OP.

[Haloman800]

OP back again, here's some high quality photos of the board:
http://imgur.com/a/Pk2Rt
I can't see any damage to the board. I also plugged it back in and couldn't "smell" anything.
Do you think there's a chance it's a harness or power supply problem?

[pbj]

Test the voltages coming out of your power supply..... Or just use another power supply.

[paigeoliver]

Is something blown up at L1? Right between the 2 main groups of caps.

[Titchgamer]

Test the voltages coming out of your power supply..... Or just use another power supply.

Prob a good place to start if you aint already op.

Cant see anything obv but that IC near the dipswitches looks little discoloured but may be the pic.

[Haloman800]

I don't have a meter.. I'll get one if needed.

The bottom left cap seems crooked/detached from the board, could that be it?


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[Haloman800]

I have a cocktail machine with a 60 in 1 powered through the jamma harness, would plugging this board up to it be risky?

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[paigeoliver]

I have a cocktail machine with a 60 in 1 powered through the jamma harness, would plugging this board up to it be risky?

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No it would not be risky.

[pbj]

This thread has gotten painful to read.

 

[Haloman800]

Using my cabinet, the board came on (solid green light and blinking orange) but the crt monitor shows a bunch of white dashes across the screen, and nothing else happens. What does this mean?

[ark_ader]

This thread has gotten painful to read.

 

Then do us a favor and quit posting/reading.


See what I did there?   

[gdonovan]

Using my cabinet, the board came on (solid green light and blinking orange) but the crt monitor shows a bunch of white dashes across the screen, and nothing else happens. What does this mean?

I bet a minor monitor adjustment or two and you would have a picture.

[Haloman800]

Using my cabinet, the board came on (solid green light and blinking orange) but the crt monitor shows a bunch of white dashes across the screen, and nothing else happens. What does this mean?

I bet a minor monitor adjustment or two and you would have a picture.

I had another 60 in 1, when it's in this cabinet, the monitor comes on fine, I don't think it's a monitor issue.

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[Malenko]

do the dipswitches match between boards? It kinda looks like the 60 in 1 is pushing out a VGA signal to a 15Hz monitor

[ark_ader]

What is the return policy on this contraception?  As it looks like you have fried it.

[Haloman800]

do the dipswitches match between boards? It kinda looks like the 60 in 1 is pushing out a VGA signal to a 15Hz monitor

That was it!! So I know now that my board isn't fried, it's my power supply. Thank you!

One quick question. My older 60 in 1 has 8 switches on it, any idea what 5-8 does?

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[yotsuya]

Aaaannnd we're back to dipswitches.

At least power supplies are easy to get. 

[leapinlew]

Source: http://bfy.tw/A0Lc

Page 3: www.koceraj.hu/Koceraj/Mi_ez_files/60-in-1_Arcade_Manual.pdf

It was my turn to be Arky

[Haloman800]

5-8 do nothing. Good to know.

Thank you everyone who helped, and thanks for everyone who didn't for the free bumps I'll be contacting the vendor to get this power supply replaced.

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[pbj]

 

Anyway, he's clearly getting power from the molex connector.  Probably flipped the JAMMA harness, pressed some buttons, and shorted out the power supply.

Test the voltages coming out of your power supply..... Or just use another power supply.

Nailed it. 

 

[Haloman800]

PBJ, you are right about me shorting the power supply, but I did not flip the harness. Mine has a key so that's impossible.

Any tips on avoiding shorting out a power supply? I was plugging it into a power squid, did that have a negative effect?

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[smass]

Thank you everyone who helped, and thanks for everyone who didn't for the free bumps

Well played padawan, well played 

[pbj]

Arcade cabinets - 90% of the time it's the power supply.

Pinball machines - 90% of the time it's a connector.

[dkersten]

it's bad enough that this hobby rips off copywriter items

Just out of curiosity, are you one of those copyright holders?  Do you have any IP that is being pirated?  Or are you just taking up a cause that the actual IP owners don't bother with?

As someone who owns IP and makes an active income from it, I not only accept that my property is being pirated every day, but I also don't let that fact stop me from doing the very same thing.  Granted, I will buy something if I really want it and it is for sale for a reasonable price. 

But the simple fact is, there are people who will never pay me (or the copyright holders of old ass arcade games) for my IP, so what does it matter if those people pirate it?  At the VERY WORST, someone pirates something and likes it, talks about it, and then someone who is WILLING to pay for it buys it legitimately.  There is no downside to the IP holder.  If they stop the pirates, they gain nothing, if they let the pirates take it, they might get a sale. 

Just sayin...

[ark_ader]

it's bad enough that this hobby rips off copywriter items

Just out of curiosity, are you one of those copyright holders?  Do you have any IP that is being pirated?  Or are you just taking up a cause that the actual IP owners don't bother with?

As someone who owns IP and makes an active income from it, I not only accept that my property is being pirated every day, but I also don't let that fact stop me from doing the very same thing.  Granted, I will buy something if I really want it and it is for sale for a reasonable price. 

But the simple fact is, there are people who will never pay me (or the copyright holders of old ass arcade games) for my IP, so what does it matter if those people pirate it?  At the VERY WORST, someone pirates something and likes it, talks about it, and then someone who is WILLING to pay for it buys it legitimately.  There is no downside to the IP holder.  If they stop the pirates, they gain nothing, if they let the pirates take it, they might get a sale. 

Just sayin...

Well I totally agree with you on that point.  You will have a margin for that reality.  Triple A games sell enough to cover any loss to piracy, and tighter controls are improving the odds of being stolen from.  I work for a very very large concen that the above scenario probably wouldn't apply.  But that wasn't the case for a smaller firm that created android apps, that suffered greatly by the hands of pirates.  Game copying has gone on since the early days of the spectrum 48, and the commodore 64, but the game still had the copywrite displayed.  I'm sure nearly all games did.  As does this hobby with mame.

The 60 in one is a different creature, where the developers of the said boards removed all copywrite off the games and used an old version of mame. These guys could not even make an emulator for it.  The whole product is shameful.  If you support it by buying them, then you should be ashamed too.

There has to be a limit to the hypocrisy.  When I see those boards being actively supported makes my blood boil.  Especially on this site.  Rest assured this hobby is free from litigation but the damage done by these boards, wipe off years of purity or originality from those who cherish this hobby and its preservation of history.

[Mike A]

The hyperbole is getting knee deep. I hope you apply the same anger to artwork and photography. The motion images in your signature might have an attribution. There is some text in the corner, but you cannot read it. Even if you gave credit to the person who assembled the file you use there is no attribution to the Star Wars copyright holder for using their IP. This has become so commonplace that you should probably stay off of the internet because your righteousness-o-meter will probably explode.

[leapinlew]

The hyperbole is getting knee deep. I hope you apply the same anger to artwork and photography. The motion images in your signature might have an attribution. There is some text in the corner, but you cannot read it. Even if you gave credit to the person who assembled the file you use there is no attribution to the Star Wars copyright holder for using their IP. This has become so commonplace that you should probably stay off of the internet because your righteousness-o-meter will probably explode.

^agree

[gdonovan]

^agree

X2

[yotsuya]

^agree

X2

Steve?

[ark_ader]

The hyperbole is getting knee deep. I hope you apply the same anger to artwork and photography. The motion images in your signature might have an attribution. There is some text in the corner, but you cannot read it. Even if you gave credit to the person who assembled the file you use there is no attribution to the Star Wars copyright holder for using their IP. This has become so commonplace that you should probably stay off of the internet because your righteousness-o-meter will probably explode.

The video where I took the animation is considered fair use, also Lucasfilms consider fan films fair use also.  But you are welcome to contact either party directly or as a group and I will remove it willingly if either party objects.  I have not modified the original file from where I obtained it from.  Also all IP are being shown without any modifications, nor am I accepting any fee, advertising, or intentionally removing IP.  If you have any complaints,  contact Saint (as it is his web site) or any moderator, the creator of the clip, or Disney.

My suggestion to you is to start engaging your brain and do some research before making alegations.  Not only will you be more informed, but you will not look like a childish idiot (the kindest observation I can make of you and your compatriots, without lowering myself to your level). 

Now while we are talking about copyright (if my android is spelling it right)  let us touch on artwork for cabinets and please do tell me that you have researched, contacted said copyright holders for use of artwork for this hobby, so they can weigh into this post and make valid arguments.  Also please remind everyone here the people who engage in using said IP, do not remove the copyright holders name from said artwork.  I haven't seen it, though I could be wrong.  Let us see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Actually let us hear from vendors who make reproductions.  Let us hear if they make a documented attempt to gain permission to copy and sell IP protected artwork.  Is there a disclaimer?  I am sure that there is some sort of disclaimer shown.  I doubt if any royalties are paid though.  Actually I am requiring you to inform all copyright holders that is associated with this hobby that their rights may have been infringed.  Had you have done your homework (which gives me doubts that you have engaged in any formal education) you would have come across Nintendo.  Here is their stance on the subject and as a good citizen, report those who infringe on their copyright.

We keep the IP of the copyright holders clearly on the artwork, we make no changes as we want to preserve the originality of the IP.  We purchase from licensed vendors for artwork and software.  Totally different to the 60 in one, where IP is stripped. 

Your original attempt to ridicule me, hasn't worked.  Maybe you can learn from your mistakes.  Let us see if you can make the attempt.

[smass]

Frankly dude, you are doing just fine making a fool of yourself all on your own...keep it up this thread is becoming a classic. 

[Mike A]

It is even funnier because he complains about this hobby ripping off copyright earlier in the thread. When I call him out on his lack of attribution, he launches a defense of the very thing he was complaining about. The fact of the matter is we are all operating in a gray area. Casting stones at the OP was low class. When I called Ark out on it he attacked me personally. That was low class. I sank to his level at one point. That was low class. I won't do it again.

[ark_ader]

It is even funnier because he complains about this hobby ripping off copyright earlier in the thread. When I call him out on his lack of attribution, he launches a defense of the very thing he was complaining about. The fact of the matter is we are all operating in a gray area. Casting stones at the OP was low class. When I called Ark out on it he attacked me personally. That was low class. I sank to his level at one point. That was low class. I won't do it again.

You associated my avatar to this discussion.  I have corrected you.  My avatar is not a gray area.  60 in ones are not a gray area.  You are wrong.  I was wrong to make those implied comments about your education, and to be honest, were made in jest.  If you are going to throw stones,  do it with honesty and conviction.  Personal attacks are apt but unnecessary, we are adults and I understand.  It is a gray area we hobby in, let us not support those who operate in the black.  Simple as that.

[pbj]

Can't wait til the jackbooted thugs start kicking down the doors of Amazon and EBay...



 

[Le Chuck]

the damage done by these boards, wipe off years of purity or originality from those who cherish this hobby and its preservation of history.

Is it just purity being wiped off by the boards or the years to which the purity is attached?  I am confusededed.  Is purity always measured in time and if so does it directly equate to time itself?  How many years get wiped per 60-n-1 purchase?  I left a cellphone in a Paris hotel room in 2008.  That loss set off a chain of events that, I believe, culminated with this thread happening.  I'd like to go back and not lose my phone so this schmamortion never happens.  How many boards do I need to get to ensure I leave with that phone. 

 

[Mike A]

Yeah. Sorry about this mess. I am pretty new here. It's partly my fault. I just didn't want the OP to get rocks thrown at him for asking a question. Most people here are really helpful. I just need to learn who is here just to pick a fight for no reason. Lesson learned.

[leapinlew]

Frankly dude, you are doing just fine making a fool of yourself all on your own...keep it up this thread is becoming a classic. 

Yeah, my favorite is the part how he thinks there is an argument and that somehow he's winning

[Nephasth]

It is even funnier because he complains about this hobby ripping off copyright earlier in the thread. When I call him out on his lack of attribution, he launches a defense of the very thing he was complaining about. The fact of the matter is we are all operating in a gray area. Casting stones at the OP was low class. When I called Ark out on it he attacked me personally. That was low class. I sank to his level at one point. That was low class. I won't do it again.

You associated my avatar to this discussion.  I have corrected you.  My avatar is not a gray area.  60 in ones are not a gray area.  You are wrong.  I was wrong to make those implied comments about your education, and to be honest, were made in jest.  If you are going to throw stones,  do it with honesty and conviction.  Personal attacks are apt but unnecessary, we are adults and I understand.  It is a gray area we hobby in, let us not support those who operate in the black.  Simple as that.

Didn't Gray Area get banned?

[CheffoJeffo]

Didn't Gray Area get banned?