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What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« on: January 27, 2015, 06:11:43 pm »
Hey guys,

I figure the best way to learn is to learn from others mistakes so tell me what you would change about your cab!

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2015, 06:25:47 pm »
Listening to these jerks!!!

j/k I think the biggest fail on my part was settling on something. I used real brushed brass on my control panel, and my order was done wrong so one piece had the brush strokes running the wrong direction. I didn't want to wait so I just used it. Don't settle for anything but the best!

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2015, 06:29:41 pm »
    Jennifer would have to regret NOT listening to the jerks around here... Some really smart folks lurking about.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2015, 06:55:23 pm »
Knowing when to listen and when not to listen, that's a skill in itself.  My biggest regret is not having the time for fun stuff like this hobby.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2015, 06:57:48 pm by Ond »

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2015, 07:35:47 pm »
About the cabs themselves - not much really.  Take your time and really know what I want.  If my first cab was still around (destroyed by movers) it would still answer 80% of my upright gaming wants.  Sure the lightening mame sideart and marquee would be tired but hell, it played SFII like a champ and honestly what more in life is there?

The more you build the better you get so watch the good ones, take the cues, but good tools, and have fun!

About the hobby itself?  I've lost more than I've made and had a great time doing it, I would've held onto a few parts I didn't and sold/never bought a few parts I still have.  Probably about $1000 worth of bad decisions in the last ten years so that's not that bad. 

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2015, 07:43:26 pm »
Not following my plans. 

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2015, 07:54:59 pm »
Biggest regret - not picking up a $150 Gorf when I had the chance.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2015, 07:55:26 pm »
Making it playable too soon.   :lol
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2015, 08:00:35 pm »
Wasting the time and $ on building a weecade....

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2015, 08:07:50 pm »
trying to save money by buying a used joystick off ebay. realising it sucks, so then buying another one. then realising that sucks too.. wasting more money.. then i think "why didnt i just buy a decent new one in the first place".  :hissy:

ps. does anyone want to buy a couple of used joysticks?  :angel:

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2015, 08:14:38 pm »
Not finishing yet.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2015, 08:36:45 pm »
Using cheap thin wood. Not using a router.  :soapbox: paint job. Bad cut lines. Not making a template first.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2015, 08:41:00 pm »
Using cheap tools. Sometimes they work fine, sometimes they aren't up to the task  :timebomb:

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2015, 09:19:33 pm »
Try the joystick before you buy the joystick.

Intend on LED controls even if you don't want led. Most translucent buttons look well unlit and you can always decide to light them later.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2015, 10:20:15 pm »
Buying ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- I didn't need (that damn seat sits outside in the weather now)

Not storing my ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- safely (every single CRT I own is demolished, still haven't cleaned it up)

Losing my ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- (Forgot where I put about $100 in much needed parts.... just remembered I misplaced my Hang-On project stickers too... damn it)

Not finishing what I started....

That's about the only regrets....

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2015, 11:08:09 pm »
...not adding cupholders.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2015, 11:11:08 pm »
Actually, (and seriously the only one i can think of): Not replacing the foam in the matching stool with memory foam. Its comfy, but i know it could be way better. especially for those extended play sessions.   I've got another stool for my new build, so i have a chance to do better this time.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2015, 11:38:56 pm »
My latest regret is burning my finger with my soldering iron.  Did that tonight.   :banghead:

The main thing I would recommend is figuring out what will cause you to struggle and then determine how to work around it so you are not slowed down.  My Tron cabinet would be done by now if I would have just hired someone to do the artwork. 

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2015, 12:14:53 am »
My latest regret is burning my finger with my soldering iron.  Did that tonight.   :banghead:

Welcome to the club. I burned my hand pretty badly late last year when I just outright grabbed the hot iron. I'm still not sure what was going through mind at the time other than:

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2015, 12:37:22 am »
How about doing an entire cap kit and lifting a solder pad to "fix" a non existent issue caused by having monitor hooked up wrong ;D

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2015, 12:43:09 am »
Good gosh that sounds horrible.  Ouch.  Just ouch.

My latest regret is burning my finger with my soldering iron.  Did that tonight.   :banghead:

Welcome to the club. I burned my hand pretty badly late last year when I just outright grabbed the hot iron. I'm still not sure what was going through mind at the time other than:


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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2015, 08:41:36 am »

Welcome to the club. I burned my hand pretty badly late last year when I just outright grabbed the hot iron. I'm still not sure what was going through mind at the time other than:

Been there, done that. Not a pleasant smell.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2015, 08:56:46 am »
Biggest single regret is not having made it 10 years ago.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2015, 09:26:19 am »
Biggest single regret is not having made it 10 years ago.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2015, 09:27:51 am »
Actually, (and seriously the only one i can think of): Not replacing the foam in the matching stool with memory foam. Its comfy, but i know it could be way better. especially for those extended play sessions.   I've got another stool for my new build, so i have a chance to do better this time.

Your ass will eventually soften up and compensate over time.  :cheers:
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2015, 09:40:56 am »
My first cab? too many to list.

My latest cab? I guess, having it in the basement instead of my living room?
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2015, 09:42:34 am »
I hung out on the forums for a very long time soaking up information before starting, so there aren't really any newb mistakes.
During that time I used an x-arcade tankstick which allowed me to experiment with ergonomics, monitor placement, etc.  I even swapped various joysticks into it over the years.

Biggest single regret:

   I have a rotating LCD monitor, but the viewing angle from the bottom is horrible.  So on 2 player vertical games, player 2's view is darker than player 1's.  It doesn't make the game unplayable, but it is noticeable.  I wasn't planning on doing a rotating monitor when I originally bought it.  Not sure I would have thought about the viewing angle anyway.  Since the VESA mounts are off center, I can't just swap in another monitor.  I'd have to make a new bracket for the rotating assembly.  The current monitor almost touches the side and top when it rotates, so clearance might also be an issue.  Honestly, 98% of the time I'm playing the cab by myself so it doesn't really bother me that much.

I'll show other things that I could have done better whenever I get around to a reveal video.



Biggest thing I got right (for me anyway):

Used a powerful enough computer to run Demul, Taito Type X, & modern PC games.  I play these other things as much or more than MAME.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2015, 09:44:30 am »
The only regret I think I would have had, I rectified it. On my first project, I built a 36 inch wide frankenpanel so I could play all 50,000 games in MAME and all those console emulators. I quickly realized that I thought it looked like ass (a frankenpanel, not the woodwork- I was actually quite chuffed with the actual box) and that it was better to play a subset of games the right way as opposed to everything sorta half-assed. Best decision I ever made.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2015, 10:21:27 am »
The only regret I think I would have had, I rectified it. On my first project, I built a 36 inch wide frankenpanel so I could play all 50,000 games in MAME and all those console emulators. I quickly realized that I thought it looked like ass (a frankenpanel, not the woodwork- I was actually quite chuffed with the actual box) and that it was better to play a subset of games the right way as opposed to everything sorta half-assed. Best decision I ever made.
This!  [Except for the looking like ass part - Cheers Yotsuya!  LOL!  (j/k)].  When I first started I wanted to make sure it played EVERY game in Mame.  So I planned a 4-player panel.  Truth be told it RARELY gets used.  I've since built other arcade machines with simpler controls and I've never turned back!  They get played WAY more than the Frankenpanel, to the point that I'm planning to eventually downsize it to a 2 player panel.

Simpler is better!  Good luck!

Edit:  Also, make sure the computer is the last thing that you buy when building:
A)  It will be cheaper as time passes while you build your machine
B)  You will get a lot more accomplished since you won't be playing it while it's "half-done"

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2015, 10:29:55 am »
One advantage to a project taking too long is that I came to my senses over this same issue mid-build.  My Tron cabinet was originally going to be a 36" wide 4-player.  Eventually I realized I wanted to have one MAME cabinet that would play most games and then supplement that with a mix of dedicated cabinets and other specific builds.  I ended up buying a dedicated Asteroids Deluxe instead of trying to shoehorn that 5 button layout onto my CP for example.

Some of my early designs were quite hideous. 

The only regret I think I would have had, I rectified it. On my first project, I built a 36 inch wide frankenpanel so I could play all 50,000 games in MAME and all those console emulators. I quickly realized that I thought it looked like ass (a frankenpanel, not the woodwork- I was actually quite chuffed with the actual box) and that it was better to play a subset of games the right way as opposed to everything sorta half-assed. Best decision I ever made.
This!  [Except for the looking like ass part - Cheers Yotsuya!  LOL!  (j/k)].  When I first started I wanted to make sure it played EVERY game in Mame.  So I planned a 4-player panel.  Truth be told it RARELY gets used.  I've since built other arcade machines with simpler controls and I've never turned back!  They get played WAY more than the Frankenpanel, to the point that I'm planning to eventually downsize it to a 2 player panel.

Simpler is better!  Good luck!

Edit:  Also, make sure the computer is the last thing that you buy when building:
A)  It will be cheaper as time passes while you build your machine
B)  You will get a lot more accomplished since you won't be playing it while it's "half-done"

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2015, 11:11:14 am »
I think the term frankenpanel is thrown out there too quickly in these parts, sometimes for people who want ANYTHING more than a two player trackball panel.
There's nothing wrong with having an analog joystick, trackball, & spinner on your CP.

What makes it suck is when you have to reach around other controls, play hunched over to reach the controls, or play a game while standing two feet left of the screen.

There's the problem of a player knowing which controls they should be using, but with all the LED stuff available that could be resolved.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2015, 11:20:25 am »
I think the term frankenpanel is thrown out there too quickly in these parts, sometimes for people who want ANYTHING more than a two player trackball panel.
There's nothing wrong with having an analog joystick, trackball, & spinner on your CP.

To me,  a 2 player panel with a trackball is a frankenpanel :)

I think the completely negative stigma that goes with the term "frankenpanel" is undeserved.  There are classy eloquent "multi-control" solutions, everything from rotating panels, to proper placement. I have my 4 player panel, and when I get the scratch to spare I'll be throwing a GGG Turbo Twist spinner on it (with a hockey puck shaped top) to play some Arkanoid.

When people hear frankenpanel they think:

(no offense mytymaus007)
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(no offense zallax)

and not:

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2015, 11:24:51 am »
Not replacing the foam in the matching stool with memory foam.

I recently got one of those anti-fatigue mats from the dollar store (I stand while playing. Extended arcade gaming usually means there's lots of people at my place and we swap out a lot!) Best $3 I have spent in a long time!

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2015, 11:25:14 am »
Actually, (and seriously the only one i can think of): Not replacing the foam in the matching stool with memory foam. Its comfy, but i know it could be way better. especially for those extended play sessions.   I've got another stool for my new build, so i have a chance to do better this time.

Your ass will eventually soften up and constipate over time.  :cheers:

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2015, 11:34:10 am »
What I am constantly thinking about while in progress on a cabinet is being patient enough to finish things the best I possibly can. Sometimes this means that I have to wait extra days for paint or wood filler to dry. Maybe I need to work a spot on a cabinet over and over to get it almost perfectly smooth. I can get impatient and anxious to have the project completed and in the past, I have sometimes "rushed" pieces of a project because I want the cabinet done.
As can be seen from the glacial pace of my current project; I take my time on each component of the cabinet. This usually means taking plenty of time shaping, fixing/finishing the wood and especially the prime and paint. Waiting extra days for stuff to dry can be painful when you want the satisfaction of having a complete cabinet. But looking at mistakes on old projects that cannot be worked on again pounds this all home to get it right the first time.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2015, 11:39:06 am »
Not planning my Marquee area properly,  I now have to do some very delicate routing/sanding to do  or live with marquee retainers not being recessed properly  :banghead:

The other thing I regretted was buying a cheap set of joysticks and buttons only to find that they were just too sloppy and then having to spend out on a new set.

As to current regrets,  Not having the inclination to get off my fat ass and finish the software configuration,  I may just give up on Hyperspin and go with Mala or similar.

Make sure you plan everything out before you start,  First work out the games you want to play and design the Control panel around those games. I recommend investing in a 4/8 way switching joystick too.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2015, 11:44:34 am »
I think the term frankenpanel is thrown out there too quickly in these parts, sometimes for people who want ANYTHING more than a two player trackball panel.

To me, it's not the controls as much as the size of the box holding said controls that gets it into Frankenpanel territory.

And you and Malenko are right, the placement of the controls goes a long way in the perception of the panel.

What I am constantly thinking about while in progress on a cabinet is being patient enough to finish things the best I possibly can.

Yeah, patience is key. That, and not buying cheap paint. That's the best lesson I've learned from this hobby.  :cheers:
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2015, 11:55:04 am »
   Cheap paint.... **Jennifer chuckles to herself**, Ive been talking about that for like EVER, yet nobody seems to care and always opts for the cheap way out only to be disappointed.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2015, 11:57:12 am »
Marrying PBJ.

C'mon, he's not that bad...

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2015, 12:02:09 pm »

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« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2015, 12:51:51 pm »
That reminds me, where the hell is PBJ? Did the moldy meat and bootleg hooch finally do him in?
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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2015, 01:30:16 pm »
That reminds me, where the hell is PBJ? Did the moldy meat and bootleg hooch finally do him in?

He's on a honeymoon with Jennifer.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2015, 02:05:36 pm »
Using latex paint.. even after a half a year it just isn't as good as an oil based paint.  Takes forever to cure, and inevitably it gets scratched or marred because I don't want to wait 15 weeks to move or play the thing.. Oil based - 2 days to cure fully..

Overall, my biggest regret is not easing into this hobby.  I jumped in with both feet, and ended up building a cabinet I ultimately don't want.  I'm glad I built it, but I wish I had the money back and could start from scratch.  I would build a virtual cab with a 50-55", two player control with trackball and recessed spinner, then build a dedicated vertical screen cab with true 4 way sticks to go next to it.  I still might, but lately I am busy writing again.. now that my book is out I really want to get a sequel done, so that will take me until summer.  And with recent "life" happening, I don't know if I can afford to do what I want.  Unless the book takes off, lol, then I can afford to have a real builder make me what I want.. haha..


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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2015, 02:51:56 pm »
well, this being my first conversion/build, my biggest regret.....is making it playable so quickly!! i have gotten even slower with finishing this thing up now that it works. i guess i could also say, i wish i had a better PC for the build, but i could always upgrade and redo the software when the time comes.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2015, 02:53:48 pm »
Actually, (and seriously the only one i can think of): Not replacing the foam in the matching stool with memory foam. Its comfy, but i know it could be way better. especially for those extended play sessions.   I've got another stool for my new build, so i have a chance to do better this time.

Your ass will eventually soften up and constipate over time.  :cheers:

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« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2015, 03:01:59 pm »
Actually, (and seriously the only one i can think of): Not replacing the foam in the matching stool with memory foam. Its comfy, but i know it could be way better. especially for those extended play sessions.   I've got another stool for my new build, so i have a chance to do better this time.

Your ass will eventually soften up and constipate over time.  :cheers:

Both of you, stop thinking about ---my bottom---.

I bet it's as pasty white as those toes of yours.  :cheers:
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« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2015, 03:14:02 pm »
That reminds me, where the hell is PBJ? Did the moldy meat and bootleg hooch finally do him in?

He's on a honeymoon with Jennifer.

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« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2015, 04:21:06 pm »
Actually, (and seriously the only one i can think of): Not replacing the foam in the matching stool with memory foam. Its comfy, but i know it could be way better. especially for those extended play sessions.   I've got another stool for my new build, so i have a chance to do better this time.

Your ass will eventually soften up and constipate over time.  :cheers:

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2015, 04:27:42 pm »
I think the term frankenpanel is thrown out there too quickly in these parts, sometimes for people who want ANYTHING more than a two player trackball panel.
There's nothing wrong with having an analog joystick, trackball, & spinner on your CP.

To me,  a 2 player panel with a trackball is a frankenpanel :)

I think the completely negative stigma that goes with the term "frankenpanel" is undeserved.  There are classy eloquent "multi-control" solutions, everything from rotating panels, to proper placement. I have my 4 player panel, and when I get the scratch to spare I'll be throwing a GGG Turbo Twist spinner on it (with a hockey puck shaped top) to play some Arkanoid.

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(no offense mytymaus007)
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« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2015, 04:30:50 pm »
naw, dont be.  What you have is a frankenpanel. That doesnt mean its a bad thing, so long as you like it.  :cheers:
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« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2015, 04:38:10 pm »
I definitely have a frankenpanel.  However, it is much more ergonomic than other frankenpanels. 

I admit.  We don't use player 3 and 4 as much as I thought we would.  Probably could have gotten away with wireless PS3 controllers for them.

As for biggest regret, I wish I put more of an angle on the monitor.  Galaga is much harder when the screen is large and too vertical.  If the cab was a showcase cab, it would have been less of a problem.  Definitely mock up your control panel with cardboard and also test the monitor placement to make sure it meets your needs.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2015, 04:51:13 pm »
Hmm, I tend to not dwell on regret if I can avoid it.  I've unintentionally added flaws to games that nobody else notices but drive me crazy.  Best to just roll with it and enjoy the patina. 

Keep fading, pinball cabinets....

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2015, 05:00:57 pm »
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2015, 05:56:57 pm »
Curved button layouts ::)  and thinking everything build needed 6 buttons per player. It frelt good to kill those things.

I don't get the hate for curved layouts.  As long as they aren't arched that you need gorilla hands to use them, I find them quite comfortable.  :cheers:
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« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2015, 06:11:42 pm »
Curved button layouts ::)  and thinking everything build needed 6 buttons per player. It felt good to kill those things.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2015, 06:48:04 pm »
 :dizzy: how many ---smurfing--- spinners does that thing have?!?

And yes Yots' whiter then the whitest white. With red hair.

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« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2015, 06:53:19 pm »
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« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2015, 08:59:53 pm »
I have too many "mistakes" to list (I'm an office worker in finance, no experience in cabinetry or electronics) however now I see them as part of the cabinets charm.   

Looking at scuffs, marks, less than perfect cuts on my 2009 cabinet, I think of a being a kid in the big arcade in town and no way were there any brand new or even perfect looking machines.  All beat up to hell and hastily repaired fixups. 

Nostalgia! (what is this salty discharge)

edit: to answer, I forgot to glue most of the cabinet together, just screwed it, as was planning on dissembling to paint, but think I glued one of the last pieces.  Now it has a small charming wobble.

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« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2015, 06:14:51 am »
And yes Yots' whiter then the whitest white. With red hair.

Chuck Norris is a ginger.  Just sayin'.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2015, 11:25:01 am »
:dizzy: how many ---smurfing--- spinners does that thing have?!?

And yes Yots' whiter then the whitest white. With red hair.

(Enjoy that mental image)

How much $$ is in that control panel?

As it currently is, it is about $1400, minus shipping costs for items as well as hardware like screws, bolts, nuts, etc.  There is also another $250 that was spent on parts that are no longer in use.  For instance, I used to have a Blackhawk Push/Pull spinner in a previous version of the panel that I could not fit into the new one because of sloped top.  The panel also used to have two UltraStik 360's.  I replaced those with ServoStik's but I did disassemble one of UltraStik 360 for the flight stick mod.  I had also tried numerous encoders for the LS-30 rotaries, the GP40 Max was the only one that worked consistently.

Control Panel price breakdown
ItemQtyEachTotal
Wood (Lowes)1$20$20
Control Panel overlay1$35$35
T-Molding - cool blue (GGG)1$3$3
Servo Stik (Ultimarc)2$39$78
Servo Stik control board (Ultimarc)1$29$29
LS-30 Rotary Joystick (E-Bay)2$40$80
Flight Stick (Happ)1$131$131
Replacement Tron Handle (GGG)1$25$25
UltraStik 360 (Ultimarc)1$59$59
8-way competition Joystick2$15$30
Ms Pac-man/ Galaga 4-way (TT)1$20$20
3" Trackball Translucent (HAPP)1$130$130
3" Trackball Mounting Plate (HAPP)1$16$16
TurboTwist Hi-Low (GGG)1$130$130
TurboTwist 2 (GGG)2$70$140
Blue Dome Knob (GGG)2$10$20
Energy Storage Cylinder (GGG)2$6$12
6" Mini Racer Steering Wheel2$35$70
IL Concave Buttons - black player (Paradise)4$3.25$13
IL Concave Buttons - black (Paradise)9$2$18
IL Concave Buttons - blue (Paradise)34$2$68
Versa-Micro switches (GGG)34$2.5$85
I-Pac 4 (Ultimarc)1$65$65
U-HID (Ultimarc)1$79$79
GP-Wiz40 Max with Rotary (GGG)1$38$38
Wiring/Connectors$40
Total$1434
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2015, 11:27:50 am »
One think I forgot to add:  On my first cabinet, I went "all out" and bought a Betson (Kortek) 27" Multisync arcade monitor.  It ran about $500.  Although it's great for authenticity, I can't really justify the cost.  (I didn't really know better at the time).  Since then I've built my arcade cabinets with 22" and 21" CRT PC monitors for virtually nothing.  People are practically giving them away due to their bulk.  I have 2 sitting in my garage for future projects and then look great when installed.

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« Reply #61 on: January 29, 2015, 11:58:30 am »
:dizzy: how many ---smurfing--- spinners does that thing have?!?

And yes Yots' whiter then the whitest white. With red hair.

(Enjoy that mental image)

How much $$ is in that control panel?

As it currently is, it is about $1400, minus shipping costs for items as well as hardware like screws, bolts, nuts, etc.  There is also another $250 that was spent on parts that are no longer in use.  For instance, I used to have a Blackhawk Push/Pull spinner in a previous version of the panel that I could not fit into the new one because of sloped top.  The panel also used to have two UltraStik 360's.  I replaced those with ServoStik's but I did disassemble one of UltraStik 360 for the flight stick mod.  I had also tried numerous encoders for the LS-30 rotaries, the GP40 Max was the only one that worked consistently.

Control Panel price breakdown
ItemQtyEachTotal
Wood (Lowes)1$20$20
Control Panel overlay1$35$35
T-Molding - cool blue (GGG)1$3$3
Servo Stik (Ultimarc)2$39$78
Servo Stik control board (Ultimarc)1$29$29
LS-30 Rotary Joystick (E-Bay)2$40$80
Flight Stick (Happ)1$131$131
Replacement Tron Handle (GGG)1$25$25
UltraStik 360 (Ultimarc)1$59$59
8-way competition Joystick2$15$30
Ms Pac-man/ Galaga 4-way (TT)1$20$20
3" Trackball Translucent (HAPP)1$130$130
3" Trackball Mounting Plate (HAPP)1$16$16
TurboTwist Hi-Low (GGG)1$130$130
TurboTwist 2 (GGG)2$70$140
Blue Dome Knob (GGG)2$10$20
Energy Storage Cylinder (GGG)2$6$12
6" Mini Racer Steering Wheel2$35$70
IL Concave Buttons - black player (Paradise)4$3.25$13
IL Concave Buttons - black (Paradise)9$2$18
IL Concave Buttons - blue (Paradise)34$2$68
Versa-Micro switches (GGG)34$2.5$85
I-Pac 4 (Ultimarc)1$65$65
U-HID (Ultimarc)1$79$79
GP-Wiz40 Max with Rotary (GGG)1$38$38
Wiring/Connectors$40
Total$1434

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnn...... I have like three full restores that didn't even run that much combined.  :cheers:
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #62 on: January 29, 2015, 01:21:52 pm »
:dizzy: how many ---smurfing--- spinners does that thing have?!?

And yes Yots' whiter then the whitest white. With red hair.

(Enjoy that mental image)

How much $$ is in that control panel?

As it currently is, it is about $1400, minus shipping costs for items as well as hardware like screws, bolts, nuts, etc.  There is also another $250 that was spent on parts that are no longer in use.  For instance, I used to have a Blackhawk Push/Pull spinner in a previous version of the panel that I could not fit into the new one because of sloped top.  The panel also used to have two UltraStik 360's.  I replaced those with ServoStik's but I did disassemble one of UltraStik 360 for the flight stick mod.  I had also tried numerous encoders for the LS-30 rotaries, the GP40 Max was the only one that worked consistently.

Control Panel price breakdown
Total  $1434

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnn...... I have like three full restores that didn't even run that much combined.  :cheers:
pshhh.. Add rgb illuminated buttons and that cost will jump another $400+

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #63 on: January 29, 2015, 02:06:47 pm »

pshhh.. Add rgb illuminated buttons and that cost will jump another $400+

...only if you don't know what the hell you're doing.

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« Reply #64 on: January 29, 2015, 02:25:59 pm »

pshhh.. Add rgb illuminated buttons and that cost will jump another $400+

Can confirm. Ooof.


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« Reply #65 on: January 29, 2015, 02:28:24 pm »
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« Reply #66 on: January 29, 2015, 02:31:33 pm »
Yeah, LEDs are cool, but not 4 bills cool.
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« Reply #67 on: January 29, 2015, 02:37:04 pm »

pshhh.. Add rgb illuminated buttons and that cost will jump another $400+

...only if you don't know what the hell you're doing.
Really?  Teach me how to buy an ipac ultimate, 34 translucent buttons with RGB LED's, and a licensed copy of LED Blinky for less than $390 (before shipping) (More actually since you can only do 33 RGB buttons on a UIO).  Sure, you could go Randy's less expensive buttons for $2 less per button, but you need over 100 channels of outputs and the UIO doesn't work with his LED's (unless you want to burn them out after a few months), and to do that you would need 3 LED-Wiz's at $44 each so it about evens out to the same money.  I suppose if you really wanted to you could build your own controller with a few arduinos, program it all yourself, then get a hold of raw RGB LED's and custom make your buttons, but the extra 20-50 hours technically isn't free either (my time is worth at least $10 per hour to me, even if all I am doing is sleeping).  So since you know "what the hell you are doing", how do you do 34 full RGB buttons on a CP and make them change with each game to the right colors for less than $400?

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« Reply #68 on: January 29, 2015, 02:39:19 pm »
Yeah, LEDs are cool, but not 4 bills cool.
This is true.. But some of us are dumb enough to go "OOHHH, Shiny!" and then push "buy"..  :dunno

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« Reply #69 on: January 29, 2015, 02:40:12 pm »
Yeah.  I'm interested too in how you got up past $400 for LED buttons....Like I want a price breakdown.  Unless you wired them wrong and you had to reorder. 

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #70 on: January 29, 2015, 02:51:25 pm »
Yeah.  I'm interested too in how you got up past $400 for LED buttons....Like I want a price breakdown.  Unless you wired them wrong and you had to reorder.

In my case, 36 buttons @ $6 each, A Ultimarc UIO for $99 (which can't do all of them), a PACLed64 at $60, and some extra wiring because the harnesses are short, ~$30ish, and LEDBlinky for $20.

That's $425.

Edit: There's about $30 in shipping there, too... forgot about that.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #71 on: January 29, 2015, 03:02:47 pm »
ClassicRGB buttons: $7.50 each x 34 = $255
ipac UIO:  $99
LED Blinky: $25
Extended wiring harness: Around $20 whether you build or buy

Keep in mind shipping, as well as the fact that the ipac UIO is short by 3 outputs.

OR, GGG:
electric ice 2 buttons with RGB led's: $5.70 x 34 = $193.80
UIO can't drive those LED's because it overdrives them by 2ma and they degrade rapidly (this is what I tried).
So for 102 outputs, you need 3 LEDwiz's @ $44.95 each = $134.85
You still need LED Blinky and some extra wires, although extending them is not horribly expensive since you don't need DuPont connectors with the LEDWiz, so about $30-35.
Add shipping and you are getting really close to $400 again.  Chances are with 3 LEDWiz's you need a USB hub as well, which would put you over.

If you plan ahead and don't try to retro this into your build, you can save on the cost of the original buttons, about $100, and if you go with the UIO, another ~$50 in an encoder, so then it is only hitting you for around $250 extra. 

Plus if you haven't done it before, you will have dozens of extra hours into wiring and programming.

(P.S. I only went the basic 4 player with trackball and spinner, no other controls and still had around $1250 into my cp with full RGB.  By the time I added aimtrak's, bought pedals that I never put on (and an apac for the pedals) and completed the rest of the cab, I totaled in at $3k)

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #72 on: January 29, 2015, 03:10:37 pm »
I've only had mine "done" for a few months. I did a lot of planning, so there's not a lot of regrets, per se.

What I wish I'd done differently is not bought the UltraStik360's. I have four of them, with buttons plugged into them and the sticks plugged in via USB. They're fantastic joysticks, but they're a real hassle to use (through no fault of Ultimarc, to be clear) because of the way MAME and MESS map joysticks. I had to remap everything one too many times when windows moved my joystick IDs around, and eventually had to shell out for Xpadder to make them look like normal keyboard sticks. I could've run harnesses from them to my UltimateIO, but that starts to reduce the value of them.

I'm not sure what I would've done in its place, but I would've either gone with servosticks, or planned the wiring such that I had enough encoder inputs to run them via encoders. Probably the former, just because the $200 extra cost of having four of them isn't warranted by the scenarios where the analog input is actually useful.

It all works, it just was added money and time I probably could've saved on.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #73 on: January 29, 2015, 03:12:06 pm »
I'm tired of hearing how people insist their time is worth something to themselves. What a ---smurfing--- joke.

Do you charge yourself to take a shower? ---fudgesicle--- no. Then why the hell are you charging yourself to build something for yourself?

If you don't want to spend a boatload on RGB LEDs, then spend the time to save some money. Don't have the time? Then be prepared to spend the money to save some time.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #74 on: January 29, 2015, 03:17:27 pm »
Maybe the problem is I can't fathom having 32 buttons on a control panel that would need to be lit three different ways anyway.... >:D
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #75 on: January 29, 2015, 03:18:46 pm »
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #76 on: January 29, 2015, 03:20:16 pm »
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #77 on: January 29, 2015, 03:20:59 pm »
I'm tired of hearing how people insist their time is worth something to themselves. What a ---smurfing--- joke.

Do you charge yourself to take a shower? ---fudgesicle--- no. Then why the hell are you charging yourself to build something for yourself?

If you don't want to spend a boatload on RGB LEDs, then spend the time to save some money. Don't have the time? Then be prepared to spend the money to save some time.

I think my running tab for sketchup is getting near the $100K range.

Careful now... Wouldn't want to have to take yourself to collections. :laugh2:

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #78 on: January 29, 2015, 03:21:13 pm »
I owe myself $450 for my Illustrator work, but I've been a real bastard and I've kept ignoring my texts and emails.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #79 on: January 29, 2015, 03:22:03 pm »

(P.S. I only went the basic 4 player with trackball and spinner, no other controls and still had around $1250 into my cp with full RGB.  By the time I added aimtrak's, bought pedals that I never put on (and an apac for the pedals) and completed the rest of the cab, I totaled in at $3k)


 :o X 10


$3K  That's more than every arcade project I've ever built.

Dude, you put in at least $3000 worth of work carving the brick pattern on your pedestal......
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2015, 03:23:14 pm »
* puts on flame suit*

LED buttons and sticks are stupid anyway


The only reason I feel it would ever be worthwhile is to show what buttons are active in a specific game, and I'd rather spend all that extra money building separate cabs for separate types of games rather than have something that looks nothing like any arcade cabinet I ever saw when I was a kid...

The only thing that makes me sicker is theme artwork that is completely out of sync with the controls on the panel.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2015, 03:23:24 pm »
The total cost for The Beast was $800. And she's got full RGB controls as well as RGB cabinet lighting.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2015, 03:24:43 pm »
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #83 on: January 29, 2015, 03:34:22 pm »
The only reason I feel it would ever be worthwhile is to show what buttons are active in a specific game

That's the approach I took as well. I have red translucent buttons for P1, and blue ones for P2. I light the ones needed in a game, and that's about it. One color, 12 buttons, 1 controller, very cheap.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #84 on: January 29, 2015, 03:53:49 pm »
Using a crt for my build.  It’s 35" and looks gorgeous.  However, it has considerably limited me on my choice of hardware for the system (mainly graphic cards) and software (somewhat tied to XP still).  This has made it difficult to implement new features such as Hyperpause or newer emulators.  It is also impossible to move and I recently spent $300 just to hire a moving crew when I recently relocated.  Given that the crt affects can be emulated with a $50 dongle or HLSL, I am not sure I would take a similar route on my next build.   

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2015, 04:10:53 pm »
Once you go flat, you never go back.


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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #86 on: January 29, 2015, 04:11:59 pm »
Once you go flat, you never go back.

Not true. My first build was with an LCD. Every full-size build since has been a computer CRT. I wouldn't do it differently.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #87 on: January 29, 2015, 04:26:22 pm »
The weirdo exception proves the rule

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #88 on: January 29, 2015, 04:27:24 pm »
Once you go flat, you never go back.

My first build was a flat CRT----mind blown. 

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #89 on: January 29, 2015, 04:35:29 pm »
The weirdo exception proves the rule

Says the guy who always brings up the weirdo exceptions...
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #90 on: January 29, 2015, 06:03:45 pm »
Probably wouldn't have purchased light guns as I use them infrequently.  Also should have gone with vertical mount on the monitor as that is what I seem to play the most.

In short, probably should have focused on a genre of games and built a cab specific to that. 

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #91 on: January 29, 2015, 06:08:45 pm »
Total         $1434 <--- that is ---smurfing--- stupid high.



The life of a Griff-Richer ....  :dunno



Enjoy.   :cheers:






Edit: how much do you have in the whole cabinet? If you don't mind my asking.

I've probably spent about 4k, but hundreds of it in poor planning.  The panel was originally a custom SlikStik panel.  I didn't test on cardboard which I should have.  I quickly found that the layout was not ergonomic, that and my hand jamming on the DOT spinner above the trackball.  So, I redesigned and custom built my next panel, but with a sloped top and also with hinges that allows it to flip open from the top for quick access to wiring.  I also have quite a few peripherals, like PS3 wireless controllers, PS3 Guitar Hero and Rock Band guitars, a DDR mat, etc.   I've also had one of the few RAM Controls, "Ya, I know", Star Wars yoke, but have yet to connect it because of the custom mount I built got water damaged.  I also got light guns that I never got to work reliably.  So, ya, I am in deep.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #92 on: January 29, 2015, 06:20:42 pm »
     You could say that, OR You can look at it as a cheap lesson learned. The next one you build will have the skillset that money just cant buy.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #93 on: January 29, 2015, 06:24:52 pm »
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #94 on: January 29, 2015, 06:30:55 pm »
It did.  I built two bartop cabs after that and both were much easier to make and for much less cost.  I love the mini cocktail one as it's solely powered by the laptop which has a battery, for portable arcade gaming anywhere.


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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #95 on: January 29, 2015, 06:34:13 pm »
Not that it should matter to anyone else but, I lost track of the total $ amount of Flynn's after the $4500 mark. I think all said and done its around $5000CAN (including shipping and unused parts). I could give a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- how much the value of my time was because it was a labor of love and education.  I chose to go all out and make it to my standards because I could and it matched my vision that I outlined from the start. It taught me a TON too, and the value of showing people what I'm now capable of making from the ground up can't be quantified.

Now I'm trying the "Restore and old cab" idea, and I went from LCD to arcade monitor, each have their own place.

This conversation has really become entirely subjective.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #96 on: January 29, 2015, 06:41:53 pm »
     And to what end,.... Ive got over 10k in lab test equipment alone, but cant "add" that loss to my most resent project should I need a scope or something.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #97 on: January 29, 2015, 07:37:14 pm »
Anyone who thinks your time doesn't have an equitable value in money is fooling themselves.  Money is just a conversion of time anyway.  Everyone here exchanges their time for money every day.  And everyone comes to a point where they believe their time is worth more than they someone can pay them.  Just because you might not think of your time in relation to money, there is a price there.  And because there is a price, there is a direct correlation between what you would spend and the time you save by spending it.  To me, spending $100 more to save 20-50 hours of doing something I have no interest in doing is well worth it.  On the other hand, if it were to save $1000, it might be a different story.  Everyone has their price.  Yours might be $10, but you still have a price.

Sometimes you have money and don't have time.  So you spend money to save the time.  It is a door that swings both ways.  And whether it is worth it or not is pure opinion.

As for RGB LED's, I like them.  It's a "coolness factor".  Like a rotating monitor, or an interchangeable control panel.  Sure, there is some value in having the buttons turn to the color that the original game used, and the more games you have, the more useful it is.  Having the lights change colors while in "attract mode" is pretty cool too.  When I saw that I could do that, I decided it was worth the extra $250 on top of the regular price of the controller and buttons, so I did it.  I also bought aimtrack guns, which are horribly inaccurate and not very much fun after the first couple times you use them.  I also bought U360's, which while they are nice sticks aren't the best for specific games, and the analog mode is all but useless to me.  I also got a coin door, which is just for show even though it works.  See, I spent a lot of money on things I didn't need but wanted.  I didn't expect to spend $3k, and if you take out the pedals I bought, the a-pac, the Logitech g25 wheel and pedals I bought that I intended to build a cab for, and perhaps some other things like the player 3 and 4 and a couple admin buttons, maybe the wheel for the spinner, then I could dial this back to less than a grand.  But so what, it was free in the end because I made it all back on the next two cabs I built.  (yes, not free because I had over 200 hours of labor, but whatever, I enjoyed that time and did what I wanted to do.. I could make another $3k building a few more cabs that people are lined up to buy, but I got bored of it and have other things to do that are more worth it to me).

When it comes down to it, the money didn't mean anything to me, the time I spent didn't mean anything to me.  What mattered was the smile on my kids' faces when they played, the pride I felt when I delivered the cabs to the people I built them for, and the knowledge I gained and people I met from getting involved in the hobby.  Even the time spent playing games on it has little value compared to those things.  Sure, there are regrets, but those other things far outweigh them.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #98 on: January 29, 2015, 07:49:03 pm »
Anyone who thinks your time doesn't have an equitable value in money is fooling themselves.  Money is just a conversion of time anyway.  Everyone here exchanges their time for money every day.

Correct. But your time only converts to money when you're doing work for someone else. You can't pay yourself for your time, thus you CANNOT put a dollar figure on your time spent on one of these projects. Because if you paid yourself out of one pocket, it's just going right into the other pocket, so your gain/loss=0.

What mattered was the smile on my kids' faces when they played.

x1000. This always feels better than the self gratification I get from working on a project and even learning new skills.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #99 on: January 29, 2015, 07:57:33 pm »
OK, I made a mistake on my numbers.. I just went back to look at my spreadsheets from my build.  The $3k was including things I didn't use like the pedals, apac, and G25 wheel, but also my first tankstick and xtension cab, which I sold.  JUST looking at the cab as it sits now, I have just under $1700 into it.  I never did finish artwork though, which will be a couple hundred more, and if I added the pedals like I wanted to, add another $200.  Plus there is money lost there as well from the GGG LED's that ultimately didn't work with the ipac UIO and had to be replaced.  I was supposed to swap those out and Randy was going to give me my money back on them, but I never finished that project, and whether he will still take them back after this long is questionable, which is completely my fault.  However, that cost does not include the computer, which would be at least another $500 if I bought it used (fairly high end graphics card, ssd, etc) and around $900 if I built it new.  So all in, yeah, around $3k, but I took in about 3500 from the sale of my first cab plus the next 2 I did after that, so in the end the ~300 hours labor I have between all 4 cabs made me about $1.70 per hour plus a pretty decent (if unfinished) mame cab.

So depending on how you look at it, I spent around $1700, or I spent around $3000, or I got it free and earned about $500 in the process, OR if you go by the rate my day job pays me, this hobby has now cost me somewhere in the $11,000 range, lol.  It's all perspective.  I choose to look at it as I got it for free and made a few bucks, but to each their own..

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #100 on: January 29, 2015, 07:59:42 pm »
Not that it should matter to anyone else but, I lost track of the total $ amount of Flynn's after the $4500 mark. I think all said and done its around $5000CAN (including shipping and unused parts). I could give a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- how much the value of my time was because it was a labor of love and education.  I chose to go all out and make it to my standards because I could and it matched my vision that I outlined from the start. It taught me a TON too, and the value of showing people what I'm now capable of making from the ground up can't be quantified.

Now I'm trying the "Restore and old cab" idea, and I went from LCD to arcade monitor, each have their own place.

This conversation has really become entirely subjective.

This. 

I am sure that I've overdone it on equipment and materials, but it has given me a lot of experience that will likely serve me well in the future.  I don't want to feel like "if I had only done this" or "if I had only considered this" when it is done, so a number of times I've had to change course and buy a different item to get it to where I want.  I am sure things could be done cheaper, but a) I'm new and expect bumps and bruises on something like this, and b) in my experience cheaper is often not better long-term.  Once the cabinet is done for me, the hardware portion is done - short of replacing defective or worn-out parts. 

As well, of course I don't *need* working coin mechs.  Sure I don't *need* a trackball or spinner.  But I like having the options.  Probably my biggest frustration in this task was getting the control panel put in, holes drilled, etc, then realizing that I had truly screwed up the U360 installation by cutting out squares and routing around them to meet flush against the cp surface.  Of course they should be installed UNDER (at least for me), and thus I had to tear the whole damn thing out after already having screwed and glued.  And while I don't go nuts over paying twice for the joystick that just "feels right", it really bugged me that I wasted a significant chunk of MDO.

I wouldn't even consider "labor" in all of this.  I do, however, bill myself each time I sit on the toilet, as that sometimes does feel like labor :) 

When this doesn't feel like fun I'll quit.  In the meantime that is the goal, along with learning how to build one!

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #101 on: January 29, 2015, 08:00:59 pm »
I admit.  I think get more enjoyment out of watching other play my arcade.  I am and will forever suck at Street Fighter.  However, one night we had a work party at my house and two really good Street Fighter players were in attendance.  I watched them bang out on my cab like I never had.  It was awesome to watch.  I loved the moment because they hadn't played like that in years and my cab was able to withstand the test.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #102 on: January 29, 2015, 08:21:17 pm »
Now I'm trying the "Restore and old cab" idea, and I went from LCD to arcade monitor, each have their own place.
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Aren't they all?
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #103 on: January 29, 2015, 08:43:31 pm »
Now I'm trying the "Restore and old cab" idea, and I went from LCD to arcade monitor, each have their own place.
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This conversation has really become entirely subjective.

Aren't they all?

Oh dude. Seriously that $200 i spent on my cocktail a couple weeks ago equally compares to my FLYNN's investment. But for whole different reasons. My eyes are increasingly being opened as to why so many subjective viewpoints are made in threads on this forum.  This is why i chose to change my DKU project from a "Lets build a cab" to "lets restore and retrofit an old cab".

Look, i'm 30. Most of these games are older than me, but i've found a crazy respect and admiration for all of them that i've played (yes, even BurgerTime, ...stupid pickles!). I'd consider myself pretty damn good at anything with the Halo trademark. But man, Donkey Kong continues to mop the red scaffolding with ---my bottom---. And i still keep coming back for more.  The games are equal parts hard, and fun. And most of them don't have some crazy abrupt cliffhanger ending that makes you want more from the eventual sequel or downloadable episodic content that you need to shell out another $60 for. Just a kill screen i'll probably never see outside of a youtube video, or a High Score of my own i'll be forever trying to best. Isn't this in part what this is all about, and one of the true meanings of this?

This all makes me want to write a thread on my experiences over the last year and change. For other newbies coming into the hobby. Something about joysticks, large frankenpanels, the difference between rolling your own wires or buying a pre-made harness, etc.  (again, my experience. Totally subjective.) I figure my Flynn's build has helped a few people, why not see if i can expand on that?

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #104 on: January 29, 2015, 08:52:24 pm »
But your time only converts to money when you're doing work for someone else. You can't pay yourself for your time, thus you CANNOT put a dollar figure on your time spent on one of these projects. Because if you paid yourself out of one pocket, it's just going right into the other pocket, so your gain/loss=0.
Semantics.. You are talking about what you ARE doing with your time and I am talking about what you COULD be doing with your time. You COULD be working a second job.  Not trading your time for money is the same as wasting money.  In both cases, you don't have the money you could have had.  But it is semantics, you view it as already not making the money, so you might as well do something you like to do.  I view it as losing out on money you could have had but instead you chose to do something that didn't make money.  Both of us think that time is worth something, you just choose not to equate that to real money that is being lost. 

So relate it to something that has more value to you, like your kids.  If you have the choice of spending time building an LED controller you don't want to build, or spending a few extra dollars to buy one so you can spend that time with your kids instead, which would you prefer to do?  Either way you answer you are comparing the value of money to the value of your time..

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #105 on: January 29, 2015, 08:53:36 pm »
Once you go flat, you never go back.

Not true. My first build was with an LCD. Every full-size build since has been a computer CRT. I wouldn't do it differently.

Every fullsize build I've ever done has been CRT.  I've only used LED on my minis and that weecade thing I built one. 

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #106 on: January 29, 2015, 08:59:06 pm »
Once you go flat, you never go back.

Not true. My first build was with an LCD. Every full-size build since has been a computer CRT. I wouldn't do it differently.

Every fullsize build I've ever done has been CRT.  I've only used LED on my minis and that weecade thing I built one.


Ya aren't the viewing angles on an LCD screen pretty bad? And it probably wouldn't look anything like the old arcade game i.e. scan lines. But who am I to knock someone else's set up, it comes down to what YOU are happy with!

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #107 on: January 29, 2015, 09:03:50 pm »
Viewing angles on an LCD are only bad if you buy the wrong type of LCD.

Scanline generators make up for a lot of the classic CRT effect, depending on what your level of acceptability is for getting it close enough to the oldskool thing.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #108 on: January 29, 2015, 09:10:13 pm »
Viewing angles on an LCD are only bad if you buy the wrong type of LCD.

Scanline generators make up for a lot of the classic CRT effect, depending on what your level of acceptability is for getting it close enough to the oldskool thing.

Really? that's very interesting, I ignorantly figured that ALL LCD's had crappy viewing angles. Good to know.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #109 on: January 29, 2015, 09:26:20 pm »
There are a bunch of diffrent ways to crack an egg in the display world.

Next time you're in the TV section of a brand name electronics store, pick a few diffrent brands and sizes, stand directly in the front of one a few feet back and check out the levels of colour, picture, black intensity, then stare at it as you move to a 45° angle to the display. Red is a very good color to look for as well. 

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #110 on: January 29, 2015, 09:43:10 pm »
Now I'm trying the "Restore and old cab" idea, and I went from LCD to arcade monitor, each have their own place.
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This conversation has really become entirely subjective.

Aren't they all?

Oh dude. Seriously that $200 i spent on my cocktail a couple weeks ago equally compares to my FLYNN's investment. But for whole different reasons. My eyes are increasingly being opened as to why so many subjective viewpoints are made in threads on this forum.  This is why i chose to change my DKU project from a "Lets build a cab" to "lets restore and retrofit an old cab".

Look, i'm 30. Most of these games are older than me, but i've found a crazy respect and admiration for all of them that i've played (yes, even BurgerTime, ...stupid pickles!). I'd consider myself pretty damn good at anything with the Halo trademark. But man, Donkey Kong continues to mop the red scaffolding with ---my bottom---. And i still keep coming back for more.  The games are equal parts hard, and fun. And most of them don't have some crazy abrupt cliffhanger ending that makes you want more from the eventual sequel or downloadable episodic content that you need to shell out another $60 for. Just a kill screen i'll probably never see outside of a youtube video, or a High Score of my own i'll be forever trying to best. Isn't this in part what this is all about, and one of the true meanings of this?

This all makes me want to write a thread on my experiences over the last year and change. For other newbies coming into the hobby. Something about joysticks, large frankenpanels, the difference between rolling your own wires or buying a pre-made harness, etc.  (again, my experience. Totally subjective.) I figure my Flynn's build has helped a few people, why not see if i can expand on that?

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #111 on: January 29, 2015, 09:53:23 pm »
I started a notebook that kept track of my hobby expenses.... Last updated circa 2005.

 :lol

It's just money, quit counting it.

All said and done, I'd bet I've got a grand in turtle box and it's not in the same league as many builds around here.  Just close your eyes and slide that card until it burns.


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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #112 on: January 29, 2015, 10:10:01 pm »
I started a notebook that kept track of my hobby expenses.... Last updated circa 2005.

 :lol

It's just money, quit counting it.

All said and done, I'd bet I've got a grand in turtle box and it's not in the same league as many builds around here.  Just close your eyes and slide that card until it burns.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #113 on: January 29, 2015, 11:08:45 pm »
Not going with the coin door from recroommasters and opting for the cabinet door and coin door sticker...so I ordered the replacement panel and coin door and just took apart the whole thing!  Plus I'm not even done configuring...I keep adding more games and still find missing video snaps.  I'm a bit of a perfectionist.  I am disappointed the bezel I ordered doesn't hide the bottom of the monitor because you can look down behind it.  I suppose I should have put black electrical tape over the monitor logo.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #114 on: January 29, 2015, 11:16:41 pm »
Viewing angles on an LCD are only bad if you buy the wrong type of LCD.

Scanline generators make up for a lot of the classic CRT effect, depending on what your level of acceptability is for getting it close enough to the oldskool thing.

Really? that's very interesting, I ignorantly figured that ALL LCD's had crappy viewing angles. Good to know.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #115 on: January 29, 2015, 11:19:03 pm »
I certainly didn't intend on spending about $2300 over the past year (that's not how much I told my wife I spent)...that includes $750 for a new computer build and 27" monitor..but it certainly looks better than the old dell, nintendo controllers, and a 26" tv on a tv stand I originally had the games running on which cost almost nothing.   Funny how I was willing to spend $300 on 2 spinners and steering wheels but will not buy a $300 Wii U...I guess because I really only want to play Zelda on the Wii U and I get alot more use out of the cabinet...The cabinet was worth the money...it also adds decoration to the house.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #116 on: January 30, 2015, 12:14:09 am »
"time is money"  I used to think this, not any more sunshine.  My goal now is to earn less money and be happier with less. 


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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #117 on: January 30, 2015, 02:11:59 am »
I'd say the majority of people spend too much on their first cab, but it ends up being a good learning experience and you'll probably have a lot of parts you can re-use on the next build.

I guess I regret the extra money I spent, but let's be honest. I would have probably spent it on a different hobby anyway. I had fun and I've learned a lot. I have a much greater appreciation for a lot of different crafts. You really learn a lot about computers, software, woodworking, electrical work and so on in this hobby. It's great and I love the many different types of projects and ideas people come up with.

I'm much more patient and I just enjoy tinkering with things now. The process always seems better than the end result. That's why many of us seem to always have a new project.

BTW - I love that mini cocktail posted above. Looks cool.  :cheers:

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #118 on: January 30, 2015, 04:52:41 am »
But your time only converts to money when you're doing work for someone else. You can't pay yourself for your time, thus you CANNOT put a dollar figure on your time spent on one of these projects. Because if you paid yourself out of one pocket, it's just going right into the other pocket, so your gain/loss=0.
Semantics.. You are talking about what you ARE doing with your time and I am talking about what you COULD be doing with your time. You COULD be working a second job.  Not trading your time for money is the same as wasting money.  In both cases, you don't have the money you could have had.  But it is semantics, you view it as already not making the money, so you might as well do something you like to do.  I view it as losing out on money you could have had but instead you chose to do something that didn't make money.  Both of us think that time is worth something, you just choose not to equate that to real money that is being lost. 

So relate it to something that has more value to you, like your kids.  If you have the choice of spending time building an LED controller you don't want to build, or spending a few extra dollars to buy one so you can spend that time with your kids instead, which would you prefer to do?  Either way you answer you are comparing the value of money to the value of your time..

You COULD be. But you're not. Just like I COULD be banging a super model right now. But I prefer to not live in a fantasy. When I was married and had stepchildren (none of my own), I would rather save money to provide for the kids than drop $400+ on LEDs.

If you are continually trading your time for money (not "wasting money") that just makes you a whore for money.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #119 on: January 30, 2015, 07:58:11 am »
Not going with the coin door from recroommasters and opting for the cabinet door and coin door sticker...so I ordered the replacement panel and coin door and just took apart the whole thing!  Plus I'm not even done configuring...I keep adding more games and still find missing video snaps.  I'm a bit of a perfectionist.  I am disappointed the bezel I ordered doesn't hide the bottom of the monitor because you can look down behind it.  I suppose I should have put black electrical tape over the monitor logo.

You didn't like the coin door sticker?

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #120 on: January 30, 2015, 08:13:56 am »
I'd say the majority of people spend too much on their first cab, but it ends up being a good learning experience and you'll probably have a lot of parts you can re-use on the next build.

Yeah my first MAME cab was a disaster and I spent way too much money on it due to lack of patience and being ignorant of what a "normal price" was. I bought a gutted beat to death cab with a dead monitor for like $400 (this was like 17 years ago) , then bought a brand new TV for it, and a ton of other junk, like that ever so sexy white marble contact paper. Seriously, my first cab was bonafide CrapMAME material.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #121 on: January 30, 2015, 08:49:48 am »
I spent all this money on this nice arcade cabinet..and a sticker of a coin door..i thought...this looks unfinished...It wasn't really about the sticker it was more that I thought I could fit alot of stuff in the cabinet like Nintendo Power magazines but I couldn't..my computer tower is big and i have a subwoofer in there and the opening is not as big as I imagined.   
Not going with the coin door from recroommasters and opting for the cabinet door and coin door sticker...so I ordered the replacement panel and coin door and just took apart the whole thing!  Plus I'm not even done configuring...I keep adding more games and still find missing video snaps.  I'm a bit of a perfectionist.  I am disappointed the bezel I ordered doesn't hide the bottom of the monitor because you can look down behind it.  I suppose I should have put black electrical tape over the monitor logo.

You didn't like the coin door sticker?

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #122 on: January 30, 2015, 09:13:29 am »
Maybe the problem is I can't fathom having 32 buttons on a control panel that would need to be lit three different ways anyway.... >:D

Well, to be fair, mine's a cocktail table with three CPs, so they're spread out. Mine's not a giant frankenpanel!

The light up buttons are nice on mine for two reasons -- its in my home theater, which is light controlled and tends to be dim so the illumination is nice, and its pretty neat how LEDBlinky knows what the original cab's button colors were and matches them for most games. Could single color LEDs have worked? Sure. It wouldn't have looked as nice, though.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #123 on: January 30, 2015, 09:26:41 am »
...mine's a cocktail table with three CPs. Mine's not a giant frankenpanel!

I'm not hating.  More than two CPs on a cocktail is a frankenpanel.  You've glugged together additional controls to expand the unit's capability beyond original design.  You, my fine feathered friend, are the proud owner of a frankencab. 

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #124 on: January 30, 2015, 09:40:18 am »
I'd say the majority of people spend too much on their first cab, but it ends up being a good learning experience and you'll probably have a lot of parts you can re-use on the next build.

Yeah my first MAME cab was a disaster and I spent way too much money on it due to lack of patience and being ignorant of what a "normal price" was. I bought a gutted beat to death cab with a dead monitor for like $400 (this was like 17 years ago) , then bought a brand new TV for it, and a ton of other junk, like that ever so sexy white marble contact paper. Seriously, my first cab was bonafide CrapMAME material.

I know people rip it for being mean, but honestly, CrapMAME was one of the first things I came across when I started in this hobby, and I was TERRIFIED that I would make something worthy of it. If you understand the INTENT behind it, it's one of the most valuable resources in this entire hobby.

...mine's a cocktail table with three CPs. Mine's not a giant frankenpanel!

I'm not hating.  More than two CPs on a cocktail is a frankenpanel.  You've glugged together additional controls to expand the unit's capability beyond original design.  You, my fine feathered friend, are the proud owner of a frankencab. 

There is wisdom in these words.  :cheers:

Maybe the problem is I can't fathom having 32 buttons on a control panel that would need to be lit three different ways anyway.... >:D

Well, to be fair, mine's a cocktail table with three CPs, so they're spread out. Mine's not a giant frankenpanel!

The light up buttons are nice on mine for two reasons -- its in my home theater, which is light controlled and tends to be dim so the illumination is nice, and its pretty neat how LEDBlinky knows what the original cab's button colors were and matches them for most games. Could single color LEDs have worked? Sure. It wouldn't have looked as nice, though.

I used LEDBlinky and RGB lights to accomplish this on a 4-way vertical cab. I only used FOUR buttons total, though.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #125 on: January 30, 2015, 09:48:02 am »
totes agree on CrapMAME. I did so many things wrong with my first cab it deserved to be on there
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« Reply #126 on: January 30, 2015, 10:24:50 am »
...mine's a cocktail table with three CPs. Mine's not a giant frankenpanel!

I'm not hating.  More than two CPs on a cocktail is a frankenpanel.  You've glugged together additional controls to expand the unit's capability beyond original design.  You, my fine feathered friend, are the proud owner of a frankencab.

I'm okay with a frankencab, just don't want a frankenpanel!

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #127 on: January 30, 2015, 10:43:06 am »
Man, I farted one out 10 years ago that should have been on CrapMAME.  Decased 19" TV from a dumpster, cocktail glass from a picture frame, the composite -> coaxial conversion was handled by an early 80s toggle switch VCR that was enormous and filled the bottom of the refrigerator sized cabinet.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #128 on: January 30, 2015, 10:46:32 am »
Only regret I have is what I started with.  I have a Bally cabinet, but wish I had waited and got an Atari style (i.e. Dig Dug, etc).

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #129 on: January 30, 2015, 10:57:05 am »
     Interesting viewpoints, even from some not to be expected, and the overall feeling Jenn walks away with is Time=money... I sit here day after day working on some crazy thing because I enjoy it, soldering gun in hand my computer friends next to me and a coffee pot that's always half full, Life is good, But that's the time.... As for the money Pbj probably said it best with that "Just push that card and don't look back". 

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #130 on: January 30, 2015, 11:34:28 am »
I guess we can all have a different idea on what time=money thing means to each of individually.  We are are different ages, different experiences, different stages of life.  For me the experience of my wife going through her illness and her ultimate death because of it almost 8 years ago now (damn time flies) made me realize that time is the most valuable commodity; you only have so much, and can't buy or earn any more of it.  Money is an unfortunate necessity for most of us.  For me this translates into making sure I enjoy what I am doing, yes I am qualified and have worked jobs that pay a lot more than what I am doing now, but honestly I didn't really enjoy them, and the money didn't make me any happier, just had more crap.  I now really enjoy what I do, have cut back on what I "need", and spend the extra time my job allows me to have to do the things I enjoy doing, spending time with family and friends, relaxing doing nothing but enjoying a good beer and the sun on the mountains, and for me my favorite hobby.. making things, some of them cost a lot of money, some of them are virtually free.  As long as you are happy the other crap will take care of itself. 
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #131 on: January 30, 2015, 02:27:17 pm »
I guess we can all have a different idea on what time=money thing means to each of individually.  We are are different ages, different experiences, different stages of life.  For me the experience of my wife going through her illness and her ultimate death because of it almost 8 years ago now (damn time flies) made me realize that time is the most valuable commodity; you only have so much, and can't buy or earn any more of it.  Money is an unfortunate necessity for most of us.  For me this translates into making sure I enjoy what I am doing, yes I am qualified and have worked jobs that pay a lot more than what I am doing now, but honestly I didn't really enjoy them, and the money didn't make me any happier, just had more crap.  I now really enjoy what I do, have cut back on what I "need", and spend the extra time my job allows me to have to do the things I enjoy doing, spending time with family and friends, relaxing doing nothing but enjoying a good beer and the sun on the mountains, and for me my favorite hobby.. making things, some of them cost a lot of money, some of them are virtually free.  As long as you are happy the other crap will take care of itself.

Excellent post, now THAT is wisdom.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #132 on: February 06, 2015, 11:19:14 pm »
Just a few.

Wish I cut down the cabinet a few inches. The plans were fine but the casters raised it a few inches I didn't plan for originally.

Not taking care of the plexiglass before it was playable. Did very well with not having it playable until the entire wood and paint was done, but I've been slacking on the glass.

Finally, the happ competition joysticks are OK but I should have done them all with something better.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #133 on: February 07, 2015, 06:32:18 am »
Yeah my first MAME cab was a disaster and I spent way too much money on it due to lack of patience and being ignorant of what a "normal price" was. I bought a gutted beat to death cab with a dead monitor for like $400 (this was like 17 years ago) , then bought a brand new TV for it, and a ton of other junk, like that ever so sexy white marble contact paper. Seriously, my first cab was bonafide CrapMAME material.

Man, I farted one out 10 years ago that should have been on CrapMAME.  Decased 19" TV from a dumpster, cocktail glass from a picture frame, the composite -> coaxial conversion was handled by an early 80s toggle switch VCR that was enormous and filled the bottom of the refrigerator sized cabinet.

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The only thing I would have done differently on Beat'em up-X is I would have gone slower in end. After a year and a half of work & holdups I made some mistakes with the Plexi. It was one of the last steps and was dying to finish.

   

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #134 on: February 07, 2015, 12:31:52 pm »
Viewing angles on an LCD are only bad if you buy the wrong type of LCD.

Scanline generators make up for a lot of the classic CRT effect, depending on what your level of acceptability is for getting it close enough to the oldskool thing.

Really? that's very interesting, I ignorantly figured that ALL LCD's had crappy viewing angles. Good to know.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-SyncMaster-213T-21-3-LCD-Monitor-/251811476604?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa122347c

21.3" big, 4:3, and great viewing angles. You can get a good price on one if you are patient.

Whats would you say a good prices for that is?

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #135 on: February 07, 2015, 12:36:08 pm »
I think I paid 75 shipped a few years ago. Anywhere from $50-$100 shipped would be a good deal. It's a great monitor.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #136 on: February 07, 2015, 12:43:28 pm »
I think I paid 75 shipped a few years ago. Anywhere from $50-$100 shipped would be a good deal. It's a great monitor.

I found one in that price range.

http://www.pcliquidations.com/p14844-samsung-213t-syncmaster-grade

I think I'll pass this time as its condition is listed as C, Thought I would share incase anyone wants to give it a go.   

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #137 on: February 07, 2015, 09:29:57 pm »
I guess we can all have a different idea on what time=money thing means to each of individually.  We are are different ages, different experiences, different stages of life.  For me the experience of my wife going through her illness and her ultimate death because of it almost 8 years ago now (damn time flies) made me realize that time is the most valuable commodity; you only have so much, and can't buy or earn any more of it.  Money is an unfortunate necessity for most of us.  For me this translates into making sure I enjoy what I am doing, yes I am qualified and have worked jobs that pay a lot more than what I am doing now, but honestly I didn't really enjoy them, and the money didn't make me any happier, just had more crap.  I now really enjoy what I do, have cut back on what I "need", and spend the extra time my job allows me to have to do the things I enjoy doing, spending time with family and friends, relaxing doing nothing but enjoying a good beer and the sun on the mountains, and for me my favorite hobby.. making things, some of them cost a lot of money, some of them are virtually free.  As long as you are happy the other crap will take care of itself.

Excellent post, now THAT is wisdom.
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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #138 on: February 07, 2015, 11:32:22 pm »
You COULD be. But you're not. Just like I COULD be banging a super model right now. But I prefer to not live in a fantasy. When I was married and had stepchildren (none of my own), I would rather save money to provide for the kids than drop $400+ on LEDs.

This seems like a ridiculous statement. So it's okay to blow $1,200 of the money used to provide for the kids but not $1,600?  Or $1,800 but not $2,200 or $600 but not $1,000?  If you're taking food off the table to build one it doesn't matter if the buttons light up or not, you shouldn't be building it. If you can afford it and want them put them in, simple.

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Re: What is Your Single Biggest Regret of your Arcade Build?
« Reply #139 on: February 08, 2015, 10:32:16 am »
The Lusid  Design. Lack of original theme art. I went with Atomic Mame Orange.  I love my Machine otherwise. But, my biggest regret was not making a more stylish cab. The Lusid has a really long base.

Things I haven't regretted. Using a  Tri-Sync CRT Arcade Monitor! There is nothing like playing these games with the correct resolutions and frequencies. It was a sound investment and one I made from the start.
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