ATTENTION!!!!!!!!! 2014 BYOAC User Choice Awards are coming soon!!!!!!!!!

[UCA]

Hey guys, gals, builders, tinkers, coders, and maybe-some-dayers of all flavors,

Just a friendly reminder that in order to be eligible for the 2014 UCAs, your build must be posted as completed between January 1 - December 31, 2014 (the forum timestamp is the qualifier). Completed means 100% finished - all construction, artwork, and software work done and your build proclaimed as such in your thread. There are 13 days left in 2014, so if you have a project your are finishing, or you have a project but quite haven't made your thread yet, get to it!

In the spirit of fair competition, the committee will strictly adhere to this timeframe requirement. You may have the world's best build, but if you post it completed on January 1, 2015, well, we'll see you for the '15 UCAs.

Good luck, and get 'er finished!


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[DietCoke]

I appreciate that you have mentioned the multiple PACs involved.  However, you did forget one - the iPAC.

[Generic Eric]

When are nominations open?

[harveybirdman]

Just give markc74 the trophy already #yearofblip

[yotsuya]

Just give markc74 the trophy already #yearofblip

That's not how democracy works...

[Le Chuck]

When are nominations open?

Early next month. Need to close out this year first.

[Le Chuck]

Bump to remind last minute hopefuls to get those project threads updated if you're complete. 48 hours left!

[n3wt0n]

I am excited to see all the 2014 nominations and vote. There are some really beautiful projects out there.   

[Malenko]

I look forward to not being nominated again   

[Brian74]

Umm I forget, is there a category for jukeboxs?

[yotsuya]

Umm I forget, is there a category for jukeboxs?

Not normally, only because none have ever been nominated. If three were nominated in one year, there might be a separate category.

[Brian74]

Umm I forget, is there a category for jukeboxs?

Not normally, only because none have ever been nominated. If three were nominated in one year, there might be a separate category.

Ok, thanks yotsuya. I didn't know so I figure I'd ask 

[yotsuya]

Umm I forget, is there a category for jukeboxs?

Not normally, only because none have ever been nominated. If three were nominated in one year, there might be a separate category.

Ok, thanks yotsuya. I didn't know so I figure I'd ask 

I'd love to see some jukes nominated, though. 

[Brian74]

I would too! I have only seen a few being done, mine included.

[yotsuya]

I would too! I have only seen a few being done, mine included.

I never even did a build thread for mine.

[Louis Tully]

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[Brian74]

I would too! I have only seen a few being done, mine included.

I never even did a build thread for mine.

Never too late, man. Do one of those 1 and done posts we see every now and then.

Louis, like mine? lol

[Nephasth]

Hey, I got a juke thread going somewhere around here. Haven't seen it lately though.

[Brian74]

Hey, I got a juke thread going somewhere around here. Haven't seen it lately though.

Is it  the one where you had that piece of aluminum/stainless laser/cnc cut?

[Vigo]

I nominate PBJ for an award. Anyone who lives off a diet of jerky, booze from a milk carton and salted hunks of meat hanging in the garage needs to have a trophy.

In all seriousness, I think I am gonna have a hard time picking contributors of the year, I feel like there has been a lot of genius floating around here lately.

[Nephasth]

Is it  the one where you had that piece of aluminum/stainless laser/cnc cut?

Yup, that's the one.

I nominate PBJ for an award. Anyone who lives off a diet of jerky, booze from a milk carton and salted hunks of meat hanging in the garage needs to have a trophy.

I thought 2012 was the last year of any tangible awards...

[Louis Tully]

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[Brian74]

I nominate PBJ for an award. Anyone who lives off a diet of jerky, booze from a milk carton and salted hunks of meat hanging in the garage needs to have a trophy.

  +1

In all seriousness, I think I am gonna have a hard time picking contributors of the year, I feel like there has been a lot of genius floating around here lately.

You aren't kidding!

[yotsuya]

I wanted to nominate "PinballJim", but since he doesn't come around anymore, I'm not sure what to do.

[Brian74]

 

[wp34]

I wanted to nominate "PinballJim", but since he doesn't come around anymore, I'm not sure what to do.

 

Comeback player of the year?

[wp34]

Will there be a driving category? 

[PL1]

Will there be a driving category?

I assume it would work the same as Jukeboxes.

If three were nominated in one year, there might be a separate category.

Scott

[ChanceKJ]

We can be nominated for living off a diet of jerky and hooch?  Hmm, I really should have included more pictures of my workspace as I was building. 

[yotsuya]

Scott is corrct. Some changes to the catergories have been proposed to the UCA committee for discussion, but generally, drivers would fit in the nonstandard category unless there are three or more of the same type, at which point the committee would make the decision to spin at type off into it's own category. Once the vote has been opened, this will all be posted in the official thread.

[jennifer]

  WHAT.... Jennifer wins a prize!!!!.... (Jenn raises her hands in the air, as the crowd screams her praise),  I so want to thank all the little people that made this possible,

[yotsuya]

  WHAT.... Jennifer wins a prize!!!!.... (Jenn raises her hands in the air, as the crowd screams her praise),  I so want to thank all the little people that made this possible,

We need two other Jennifers to spin you off into your own category...

[jennifer]

   Just two?.... What we need here is a fan club, with hundreds of Jennifer wanta-be"s.

[ChanceKJ]

  WHAT.... Jennifer wins a prize!!!!.... (Jenn raises her hands in the air, as the crowd screams her praise),  I so want to thank all the little people that made this possible,

We need two other Jennifers to spin you off into your own category...

   that actually made me "lol".

[Malenko]

Scott is corrct. Some changes to the catergories have been proposed to the UCA committee for discussion, but generally, drivers would fit in the nonstandard category unless there are three or more of the same type, at which point the committee would make the decision to spin at type off into it's own category. Once the vote has been opened, this will all be posted in the official thread.

3 eh?
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,139895.0.html
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,138146.0.html
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,142857.0.html

BOOOOSH!
Legit, the hardest category to judge though, all 3 are in my top 5 builds for the year of any category.

[BadMouth]

Will there be a driving category?

Driving cabs are never finished.
Most of the time they aren't even playable because they're torn apart for improvements. 

[Malenko]

  WHAT.... Jennifer wins a prize!!!!.... (Jenn raises her hands in the air, as the crowd screams her praise),  I so want to thank all the little people that made this possible,

We need two other Jennifers to spin you off into your own category...

PBJ is Jennifer, so we only need 1 more.

[yotsuya]

Scott is corrct. Some changes to the catergories have been proposed to the UCA committee for discussion, but generally, drivers would fit in the nonstandard category unless there are three or more of the same type, at which point the committee would make the decision to spin at type off into it's own category. Once the vote has been opened, this will all be posted in the official thread.

3 eh?
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,139895.0.html
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,138146.0.html
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,142857.0.html

BOOOOSH!
Legit, the hardest category to judge though, all 3 are in my top 5 builds for the year of any category.

Hold your horses, ---smurfette---! The nomination process hasn't started yet!

And on the first one, is that a driver, or a bartop? Can't be both.

[ChanceKJ]

In all seriousness, the pedestal category is gonna be tough this year, I can think of at least 4 that were well done. There seemed to be an abnormally high number built this year.

[yotsuya]

In all seriousness, the pedestal category is gonna be tough this year, I can think of at least 4 that were well done. There seemed to be an abnormally high number built this year.

That's good. If 4 get legitimately nominated, then there would be a separate category and it would have a good chance at some recognition.

[ChanceKJ]

Heh, now I'm just realizing how many cabaret's were built too...

This was a good year for builds eh?

[yotsuya]

Heh, now I'm just realizing how many cabaret's were built too...

This was a good year for builds eh?

Not if you're an upright fan. But for non-traditional stuff, certainly. 

[ChanceKJ]

It's too bad the scale Gameboy arcade wasn't finished. That was bad ass. 

[yotsuya]

It's too bad the scale Gameboy arcade wasn't finished. That was bad ass. 

That would definitely fit in the "Non-Standard" category.

[Louis Tully]

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[yotsuya]

That would definitely fit in the "Non-Standard wicked-badass" category.

Now now, we would need two other "Non-Standard wicked-badass" noms to make a category. Pay attention, people!!!!!!! 

[Malenko]

Hold your horses, ---smurfette---! The nomination process hasn't started yet!

And on the first one, is that a driver, or a bartop? Can't be both.

Hold your horses, ---smurfette---! Why can't it be both?

[yotsuya]

Hold your horses, ---smurfette---! The nomination process hasn't started yet!

And on the first one, is that a driver, or a bartop? Can't be both.

Hold your horses, ---smurfette---! Why can't it be both?

Because it's one or the other. That's clearly a bartop. Just like RockyRocket's build last year was clearly a cabaret. Function doesn't determine what it is, size/design does for voting purposes.

[Generic Eric]

Has anyone started their review yet?  I've counted about 100 projects finished this year.  Not even close to being have way done.  I'll share my list later.   Brings back memories.  I've found several I don't think I ever saw though.

The deadline has to be soon? 


Get your last minute updates in!

[yotsuya]

Please wait until the nomination thread is posted. This is supposed to be fun, we don't need any lobbying going on yet.

Remember, too, that these awards are supposed to be for outstanding works and examples. The cream of the crop, if you will. Try to keep your nominations to the top one or two that you think were "The Best of the Rest" in each category. There's a lot of guys here that do good work, I think we all strive for that, but we want to recognize innovation, artistry, and ingenuity. Otherwise, we'll just all get Completion Ribbons and call it a day.*




*I want to stress that this post is my opinion and not that of the UAC Board.

[Generic Eric]

Please wait until the nomination thread is posted. This is supposed to be fun, we don't need any lobbying going on yet.

Remember, too, that these awards are supposed to be for outstanding works and examples. The cream of the crop, if you will. Try to keep your nominations to the top one or two that you think were "The Best of the Rest" in each category. There's a lot of guys here that do good work, I think we all strive for that, but we want to recognize innovation, artistry, and ingenuity. Otherwise, we'll just all get Completion Ribbons and call it a day.*




*I want to stress that this post is my opinion and not that of the UAC Board.

Word

I've  just been, how do you say.... Studying.

[Nephasth]

*I want to stress that this post is my opinion and not that of the UAC Board.

Oh great, now we got the UACs in addition to the UCAs...

[yotsuya]

*I want to stress that this post is my opinion and not that of the UAC Board.

Oh great, now we got the UACs in addition to the UCAs...

Hahaha! A buddy of mine used to run a comic called UAC. Dammit! You know what I mean!

[Le Chuck]

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,143102.0.html

It's up.  Go start nominating stuff ya bunch of animals. 

[Generic Eric]

Please wait until the nomination thread is posted. This is supposed to be fun, we don't need any lobbying going on yet.

Remember, too, that these awards are supposed to be for outstanding works and examples. The cream of the crop, if you will. Try to keep your nominations to the top one or two that you think were "The Best of the Rest" in each category. There's a lot of guys here that do good work, I think we all strive for that, but we want to recognize innovation, artistry, and ingenuity. Otherwise, we'll just all get Completion Ribbons and call it a day.*




*I want to stress that this post is my opinion and not that of the UAC Board.

Word

I've  just been, how do you say.... Studying.

 
I'm not gonna say anything now that will make you change your nominations, but I'd encourage you to reflect upon the last year.  There are well over 175 projects that would qualify as complete.  I bet the number would be higher, but so many that were one step away by the submitter's own declaration.  Some that haven't had an entry in months.  I suspect a person is stuck in play testing, or forgot their password.  I had pars purchased for 5 years before I bought an encoder.  But I digress.

Have fun on memory lane!

[markc74]

Quick question about rule 6 which I thought I'd post here rather than clog up the nominations board.

I've been seconded (yay! And thanks!) But does this mean I can't nominate other cabs which I think are awesome in the same category?

[Le Chuck]

Quick question about rule 6 which I thought I'd post here rather than clog up the nominations board.

I've been seconded (yay! And thanks!) But does this mean I can't nominate other cabs which I think are awesome in the same category?

Not at all, you aren't a board member.  What that means is that if I, as a board member, get nominated for software I will recuse myself from any decisions having to do with the software portion of the awards.  So if there is a question of splitting the category or whether or not something qualifies I won't have a part in that discussion.  That will be up to Yots, DRVenture, BobA, and DaOldman to fight out amongst themselves.  We are just an administrative body to help facilitate the awards. 

[Locke141]

Quick question about rule 6 which I thought I'd post here rather than clog up the nominations board.

I've been seconded (yay! And thanks!) But does this mean I can't nominate other cabs which I think are awesome in the same category?

I think if your not a board member your good.

[PL1]

Quick question about rule 6 which I thought I'd post here rather than clog up the nominations board.

I've been seconded (yay! And thanks!) But does this mean I can't nominate other cabs which I think are awesome in the same category?

The fact that you're an awesome builder does not mean that you're not allowed to express your opinion.   

Seriously though, Rule 6 only applies to the UCA Board Members -- Yotsuya, DaOld Man, BobA, DrVenture, and Le Chuck.

"Any board member recommended and seconded for a category will recuse himself of having anything to do with that category."

@UCA -- Suggested clarification to Rule 6: "Any UCA board member recommended and seconded for a category will recuse himself of having anything to do with that category."



Scott

[Generic Eric]

How many contenders warrant a separate category?  I've counted about 10 pedestals.

[pbj]

HDTVs are cheap and I think a lot of us have an extra.  The added benefit is that the TV can still be comfortably used for other purposes. 

They'll eventually annoy me as much as bartops and virtual pins but the pedestals are cool now. (did anyone even do a full sized virtual pin this year?)

 

[Generic Eric]

HDTVs are cheap and I think a lot of us have an extra.  The added benefit is that the TV can still be comfortably used for other purposes. 

They'll eventually annoy me as much as bartops and virtual pins but the pedestals are cool now. (did anyone even do a full sized virtual pin this year?)

 

Marjtin's Capcom Multiball Madness


http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134336.msg1427582.html#msg1427582

[wp34]

HDTVs are cheap and I think a lot of us have an extra.  The added benefit is that the TV can still be comfortably used for other purposes. 

I agree.  They also don't seem quite so overpowering in a room compared to a full-size cabinet. 

[ChanceKJ]

I don't want to get lambasted by the board for making this suggestion but I propose an alternate list of categories:

Fullsize Uprights
Pedistals
Bartops
Large Non-conventionals (drivers, pins, cabarets and others that don't fit into the above three)
Small Non-conventionals (fight sticks, Micros, coffe table tops, jukes, etc,)
Hardware/Software

Then if we get more pins, or drivers, etc we spilt them off from the non-conventional catagories. Then the winners of each could Duke it out for "Best overall 2014".

This is based on volume of project type.

[Generic Eric]

I don't want to get lambasted by the board for making this suggestion but I propose an alternate list of categories:

Fullsize Uprights
Pedistals
Bartops
Large Non-conventionals (drivers, pins, cabarets and others that don't fit into the above three)
Small Non-conventionals (fight sticks, Micros, coffe table tops, jukes, etc,)
Hardware
Software

Then if we get more pins, or drivers, etc we spilt them off from the non-conventional catagories. Then the winners of each could Duke it out for "Best overall 2014". 

I considered making this suggestion too.  My actual count was closer to 200 than 175 and its possible I left out some because I wasn't very thorough in the automated project sub or in the jukebox sub.  I've made some commentary about so many per catagorey but haven't finished going through them yet to get them tallied.

At any rate, I think/hope it will work itself out.

[PL1]

For now, just get at least 6 nominations/seconds/thirds in the current category, 3 of which apply to the new category.

If everyone nominates/seconds deserving builds, UCA will get the categories sorted by the end of the month.   


Scott
EDIT: Forgot that the rules now require 3 nods to get into the voting round.   

[pbj]

I nominate PBJ for an award. Anyone who lives off a diet of jerky, booze from a milk carton and salted hunks of meat hanging in the garage needs to have a trophy.

In all seriousness, I think I am gonna have a hard time picking contributors of the year, I feel like there has been a lot of genius floating around here lately.

That jug juice he's brewing was scary enough but that chunk of something dead hanging by a bent up, rusty coat hanger has got to be some new kind of suicide.

Necrobump on this but I read that post aloud to my wife and she agrees with you.  I was more irritated you referred to a recycled turkey net as a "rusty coat hanger" than my your insinuation I was deliberately poisoning myself.  Have to admit a casual perusal of my 2014 projects does make one think I'm out of my damned mind.  I'll contemplate that as I pat my hanging meat between levels while playing the turtle box.

[UCA]

For now, just get at least 6 nominations/seconds in the current category, 3 of which apply to the new category.

If everyone nominates/seconds deserving builds, UCA will get the categories sorted by the end of the month.   


Scott

This year we've moved to projects needing three noms to make the cut.  This is based off feedback from years previous and we're giving it a shot.  Other than that PL1 is correct, just nom up your favorite builds and don't worry about the categories getting too full.  We'll clean it all up before it goes to vote.  Thanks!

[Generic Eric]

Can anyone open this link without it crashing your browser?  http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,140263.0.html

Its a link to a point blank cab.  Always crashes chrome. On 2 pcs.  *shrugh*

[Malenko]

no issues with that link GE, but Im on firefox. I think I posted in that thread more than the OP :/

[Generic Eric]

no issues with that link GE, but Im on firefox. I think I posted in that thread more than the OP :/

huh

Is it a contender?  Maybe I'll load another browser or check on my phone or something.

[markc74]

Cheers Le Chuck / Locke141 / PL1 - I read 'board members' and thought it meant everyone. Time to get nominating...

Generic Eric - that link works ok for me using Chrome / Windows 7...

[Le Chuck]

no issues with that link GE, but Im on firefox. I think I posted in that thread more than the OP :/

huh

Is it a contender?  Maybe I'll load another browser or check on my phone or something.

Looks like it fizzled before completion to me 

[Generic Eric]

I'm just an odd duck then.  Thanks.  I looked on my phone & it looks cool. 

[PL1]

Can anyone open this link without it crashing your browser?  http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,140263.0.html

Its a link to a point blank cab.  Always crashes chrome. On 2 pcs.  *shrugh*

It's not a contender for 2014 beacause OP never posted in the thread that it is complete.

OP hasn't posted on BYOAC since mid-August, but he was logged in a few days ago.   


Scott

[yotsuya]

Yeah, just nominate stuff and let the UCA board sort out the categories.

[Generic Eric]

Yeah, just nominate stuff and let the UCA board sort out the categories.

You are an opinionated fella , you should take next year off and vote!

[yotsuya]

Yeah, just nominate stuff and let the UCA board sort out the categories.

You are an opinionated fella , you should take next year off and vote!

I DO vote. We're allowed to vote (though now I need to step aside in Full-Size since I have a dog in the fight). 

And keep in mind we do listen, we increased the number of times something needed to be seconded (thirded) because of feedback that people felt too many cabs were getting to the voting round, diluting the process.

[ChanceKJ]

we increased the number of times something needed to be seconded (thirded) because of feedback that people felt too many cabs were getting to the voting round, diluting the process.

Ahh!  Now i get the method to your madness.

I was just talking with Eric,  why don't we have a category for Restores? Some good work is being down in that other sub-forum.

[Le Chuck]

  why don't we have a category for Restores? Some good work is being down in that other sub-forum.

If three restores get confirmed we will. We have yet to ever have that many worth while restores done in a year, I think the most we have ever had confirmed is one.

[Generic Eric]

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[yotsuya]

It's very rare that full restores are done here anyone, so we fazed that out. If it warrants it, you'd see it again.

Just nominate stuff and go with the flow.

[Malenko]

It's very rare that full restores are done here anyone, so we fazed that out. If it warrants it, you'd see it again.

Just nominate stuff and go with the flow.

iunno, MK3Fan did some top notch work on a few, I did a pretty good MK1 resto, and namsan did MK1, MKII, and MK3
Im sure there were others (MK3Fan should win it for the mario bros resto anyfart)

[yotsuya]

Ok, let me rephrase that- since no one was nominating full restores, we fazed it out.

[jennifer]

     Its not that restores are not being done here anymore, But the fact does remain that few people even care to see one.

[ChanceKJ]

Ok, let me rephrase that- since no one was nominating full restores, we fazed it out.

     Its not that restores are not being done here anymore, But the fact does remain that few people even care to see one.

Fixed, nominations made. Some killer work done in that sub-forum. Time those guys got some recognition. 

...Lets hope they get 2nd's and 3rd's.

[ChanceKJ]

I don't want to get lambasted by the board for making this suggestion but I propose an alternate list of categories:

-Full-size Uprights
-Pedestals
-Bartops
-Cabarets
-Restorations
-Pinballs
-Large Non-conventionals (Drivers, and others that don't fit into the above)
-Small Non-conventionals (Fight sticks, Micros, Coffee table tops, Jukes, etc,)
-Hardware
-Software

Then if we get more minis, or drivers, etc we spilt them off from the non-conventional categories. Then the winners of each duke it out for "Best Overall 2014" after the individual votes.

This is based on volume of project types.

Just amending my previous suggestion. 
(Yes, i know, just nominate and let you guys figure it out, but i'm just spitballing here)

[Louis Tully]

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[yotsuya]

I know, why dont we just hand out participant ribbons to everyone who completes a project and be done with it, if you just want to recognize people's work. The spirit of any awards program is to recognize outstanding achievement, not simply say "good job, buddy!"

[pbj]

First he wants nominations, then he only wants unique nominations, now he doesn't like our category suggestions.

Some people are happy to have others be excited and participating.  Others thump rule books and wonder why nobody cares.

Give those thumping knuckles a rest, dude.

[yotsuya]

there's a big difference between nominating what you would vote for, and nominating stuff just for the sake of nominating stuff. The first is a good thing. The second is weak.

[pbj]

The voting process will sort that out.  Stop being a whiner.

[yotsuya]

The voting process will sort that out.  Stop being a whiner.

You need some new schtick. You pull this every year when we do this. But PBJ gotta PinballJim, after all.

[jennifer]

      Rather than a participant ribbon some kind of incentive might be better, Perhaps a limited edition BYOAC "T" might work.



































 

[Generic Eric]

I had some time to reflect today while shoveling the rest of the +8" out of the driveway.

• There were 194  +/- 5 projects that were finished in the prescribed time limits 
• There are an identifiable number of regulars, ~450 members over 500 posts and about ~30 online.

---By itself, that doesn't mean much, but there are fair odds that enough people will log on to cast their nominations in time.
[/list]

Having reflected on this, and the 2 days it took me to go through all of the finished projects...

BYOAC is art
BYOAC is love

Don't fret so much over marking your stamp on these UCAs let them make their mark on you.

 

[ChanceKJ]

Moving this here to keep the nominations thread clean...

I don't really think its cool for a user to go all nom happy just to push an agenda of the way he/she thinks things should be once we're in the middle of execution when there are literally 9 months of open space to discuss this sort of thing.

These awards are surprisingly important to people.  Will they be as important if the process gets diluted into a rolling contest of who can nominate the most stuff the fastest?  No idea.  Guess we'll find out tho.   

Chuck, I want to make it clear I have ZERO agenda here. I take this as serious as everything else on the Internet, (Read: Not much). I get that this is important to some. And I honestly respect that quite a bit.  I was told to nominate my favorites that I feel should be reflected with recognition.  I did that. I wanted to be clear with my discriptions of what type and why. I'll be amending my noms with full reasons for each as they weren't frivolous at all. If I wanted to flood the thread with Noms I didn't think we're my favorites I would have nominated every build completed this year.  Also please, with all due respect in regards to your comment of "a user", the passive aggressiveness of that was a bit childish. If you didn't mean it that way, Sorry, but it came off that way. You could have just directed it at me if it was in fact ment for me.

404's DK cabaret is blue, not orange. And also, never finished (at least from what's posted in his thread).

IMO, you should only nominate a cab you would or plan to vote for. Yeah, a cabaret category would be great. But to be honest, the DK is a KLOV project (as stated earlier, and if you actually read 404's thread, he gave his unfinished cab away), and that Joust, while nicely done, doesn't scream "cream of crop" to me. Let's try not to turn the UCAs into peewee league flag football...

If it's not valid then remove my nomination for it. I apologize for misreading the thread.

In addition to my comments above, as we all know one person (me) simply nominating a number of good builds isn't enough to get them through. Two more people would need to as well, if anythining im nominating builds I think are deserving. As I was asked to.  If you look you'll see people giving 2nds and 3rds that omit some of the 1sts from my lists. People have free will and if they dont like what I nominate they won't nominate those builds themselves (which is already happening). So the system works. If anything I'm bringing more good builds to their attention.

First he wants nominations, then he only wants unique nominations, now he doesn't like our category suggestions.

Some people are happy to have others be excited and participating.  Others thump rule books and wonder why nobody cares.

Pbj, agreed 100%.

I get that some people actually build for the UCA, it's a HUGE deal for them. I totally respect that. But they are for the users, by the users. I am a user of the BYOAC Just like the rest of you. Don't I have a say? Disagree with it if you'd like, but don't get all twisted up when I try to actively be a part of it and it's not going your exact ways.

Also as long as it's worth my time, things are done democraticly, and childish "internetisum" is kept to a minimum, then next year I'd like to be on the UCA board. Politics just suck all the life out of this stuff. And if that's gonna be the case I'm not going to want any part of it, or the BYOAC For that matter. Life and taxes are way more important than the Internet. This should be fun, and including more people that should be given recognition should be the name of the game. If you really want to have one cab left standing with that "best of prestige" then maybe take a second look at my proposed catagories and then have a "best build of 2014" vote with the winners of each.

Now with that being said, can we please just get back to the fun parts about this hobby? Sorry for the novel. Seriously.

[yotsuya]

There's no politics going on, just an established set of rules that have been used for years now. If you want to propose changes, propose them well in advance, not while the process has just begun. They don't add a new category to the Oscars while the voting is going on just because someone thinks there should be a "Best Comedy" award.

Quite frankly, your "I think we need these categories" posts, and then subsequent nominations of 4-5 examples (some of which aren't even BYOAC builds) didn't come off very well. Like Neph said, there's always been kind of a informal gentleman's agreement that you nominate the cabs you'd be inclined to vote for in the end. The categories themselves come out of what the group nominates. Last year, restorations didn't make, so it was left off. If the trend is that a bunch of restorations end up nominated as full-size, then they'd get spun out into their own category. Same with Cabernets, pedestals, and the like.

Finally, personally, I think if you're building solely for a UCA, you have the wrong motivations.

[ChanceKJ]

I never said "I think we need these catagories". I just feel it's unfair for cabs like an asteroids cabernet, a scoobie do pin, and a game of thrones ped to go up against eachother when there are so many other amazing cabs like each of theirs that they should be equity compared to.

What I proposed was a fair and equal catagory list based on cab types by volume. Then if you must have "one cab to rule them all circa 2014" have a best overall vote after.

Hiding behind that "best laid plans" argument doesn't mean anything to those of us who weren't asked if they could be a part of the governing body in the year leading up to it. Volunteers or not. The voting hasn't even begun, you've said yourself that catagories will shift based on nominations, it's Jan 4th! I made suggestions early in an attempt to be helpful.

Based on Chuck's comments on the severity of this whole thing I'd have to assume and respect that people build them for the UCA. If people can be batshit crazy over things like a dog or horse show I'd only assume something like this has a deep following itself. Myself, I could care less. I'm deeply honored and thankful that people think my cab is cool. But at the end of the day I built it because a guy I used to work with said I'd never finish a project of this magnitude, not for a couple extra lines of text in my forum signature saying it's extra special. I have my prize, it's sitting my my den, and it plays Galaga.

[yotsuya]

I never said "I think we need these catagories". I just feel it's unfair for cabs like an asteroids cabernet, a scoobie do pin, and a game of thrones ped to go up against eachother when there are so many other amazing cabs like each of theirs that they should be equity compared to.

I strongly suggest you go back to previous UCAs and see how this has been handled. When the nomination process shows that it warrants spinning off builds of a certain type into category, it happens. It's a natural and organic process, and I suggest you allow it to happen rather than try and force the issue, like you did.

What I proposed was a fair and equal catagory list based on cab types by volume. Then if you must have "one cab to rule them all circa 2014" have a best overall vote after.

I don't know why you keep bringing up this "one cab to rule them all" concept. We've never done it that way. Again, go back and look at previous years. The point is to recognize outstanding achievement, not pit builder against builder.

Hiding behind that "best laid plans" argument doesn't mean anything to those of us who weren't asked if they could be a part of the governing body in the year leading up to it. Volunteers or not. The voting hasn't even begun, you've said yourself that catagories will shift based on nominations, it's Jan 4th! I made suggestions early in an attempt to be helpful.

I've had a few people send me helpful suggestions via PM that, depending on how the nominations break, might help with category breakout, but they didn't start nominating extra cabs just to force the issue. I'll take their suggestions to the others if things warrant it, and they understand that and are cool with it.

Based on Chuck's comments on the severity of this whole thing I'd have to assume and respect that people build them for the UCA. If people can be batshit crazy over things like a dog or horse show I'd only assume something like this has a deep following itself. Myself, I could care less. I'm deeply honored and thankful that people think my cab is cool. But at the end of the day I built it because a guy I used to work with said I'd never finish a project of this magnitude, not for a couple extra lines of text in my forum signature saying it's extra special. I have my prize, it's sitting my my den, and it plays Galaga.

And that's EXACTLY what I think our motivation should be.

[Louis Tully]

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[yotsuya]

      Rather than a participant ribbon some kind of incentive might be better, Perhaps a limited edition BYOAC "T" might work.

Can I get a patch? I wanna look cool when I'm on my bike.

I've read books on the Hell's Angels. You don't want to know what you have to do to get your BYOAC patch. 

[Louis Tully]

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[Le Chuck]

Chuck, I want to make it clear I have ZERO agenda here. I take this as serious as everything else on the Internet, (Read: Not much). I get that this is important to some. And I honestly respect that quite a bit.  I was told to nominate my favorites that I feel should be reflected with recognition.  I did that. I wanted to be clear with my discriptions of what type and why. I'll be amending my noms with full reasons for each as they weren't frivolous at all. If I wanted to flood the thread with Noms I didn't think we're my favorites I would have nominated every build completed this year.  Also please, with all due respect in regards to your comment of "a user", the passive aggressiveness of that was a bit childish. If you didn't mean it that way, Sorry, but it came off that way. You could have just directed it at me if it was in fact ment for me.

It was directed at multiple folks, of which you were one.  Didn't mean to come off childish or passive aggressive.     

I don't have an issue with anyone nominating anything they're excited about.  I got the impression that you were nominating to build out a category because you wanted the categories to look a certain way.  I still have that impression but will take your word on the matter and consider it done. 

Good on you for bringing the comment over into this thread, I do appreciate that, good call.  I think we've got a great field of builds this year and hope that any that have dropped through the cracks that should be listed will find their way to a nomination before this month is out. 

Once this event is complete I will collect feedback for an after action review to assess how the event turned out and determine what should be done differently in the future.  At that point a new UCA board will be identified, either of the same members, new members, or a combination thereof to take it from there.  After all, a smooth running event devoid of administrative drama (read internet slap fighting to quote PBJ) is in everyone's best interest I believe.   

If it sounds like I'm taking this way too seriously it's mostly because I only know how to run something like this the way that I am.  These things tend to be a fair amount of work so it gets treated as work. 

[Vigo]

The way I see it, the UCAs most important piece is the nominations. Those people who made the jaw dropping projects of the year have most likely already received a ton of praise, and honestly probably don't need a trophy to tell them that they did excellent work. They will get nominated and they could very well win. That's Great! That is the goal. The nominations, on the other hand, are a chance for anyone here to make a case for a project that may not be on the forefront of everyone's brain. I like being reminded of the projects I may not remember so well or even glossed over because I honestly don't have time to look at every project thread. While they may not be the trophy winner, or even get seconded or thirded, they probably should have another day in the sun.

I like that Chance (and others) decided put comments with their noms, and IMO, it goes a very long way to negate the frivolity of over-nominating. I say going forward, we should encourage comments justifying nominations be put in nomination posts, especially for people who toss out more than just 1 or 2 nominations. If we are trying to make a case for someone's project, it just makes sense to hear the reasoning behind it. Otherwise, it does end up looking like an agenda and insults the project being nominated.

[Malenko]

weren't Rampage, ,MK1, MK, MKII, and MK3 restorations? What category would they be eligible for?

[Generic Eric]

weren't Rampage, ,MK1, MK, MKII, and MK3 restorations? What category would they be eligible for?

Fullsize

[UCA]

weren't Rampage, ,MK1, MK, MKII, and MK3 restorations? What category would they be eligible for?

They are all fullsize builds which happen to also be restorations.  If two get confirmed they will land in fullsize.  If three are confirmed they may be broken out into a sub category - restorations or perhaps something to denote "authentic arcade hardware" which would open up a few other builds to also follow into that category and may split the field more evenly.  Perhaps Yotsuya's and yours. 

Just to note, the two other pins that have been nominated are both small or micro factor builds and aren't likely to land in the fullsize category so those two are not likely to break out from the current field.  All this requires consensus tho and he haven't reached one as we haven't had to cross that bridge yet.  As it comes up we'll endeavor to do what makes the most sense. 

[Generic Eric]

I'd like to see a well formulated argument why the restoration of a full size is unique enough to be separated from the scratch build full size, and why it deserves its own category.  If a restoration included vacuum forming a replacement Star Wars bezel, that would be exciting and new. 

Its not like its a driving cockpit or a jukebox or pinball. 

[Le Chuck]

I'd like to see a well formulated argument why the restoration of a full size is unique enough to be separated from the scratch build full size, and why it deserves its own category.  If a restoration included vacuum forming a replacement Star Wars bezel, that would be exciting and new. 

Its not like its a driving cockpit or a jukebox or pinball.

Both restos and scratch builds can be huge time and money vortexes so discussing effort, skills, capitol sunk etc may not be a clear way to look at it.  A lot of mame builds in the fullsize are conversions or cab rescues so that blends the line even further.  I think the clearest delineation is between those that use re-purposed desktops/laptops and those that use original boards.  That's where the skill divide lies in my mind and where I would recommend splitting builds out.  When I look at wiring, hardware choices, and even art the pc based cabs and the original hardware cabs seem to stand out very uniquely from each other to me.  They don't have to be split out but if there is splitting out to do that's likely going to be my recommendation of how to go about it. 

This is a bit of behind the scenes sausage making but there you have it. 

[Malenko]

Restoring a cab and converting to MAME ain't the same ---smurfin---' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same ---smurfin---' sport.

All Pulp Fiction aside, here is my well formulated argument on why a restore isnt the same as a build.
When you restore a cab, you are making a cab look and play like it originally did. Someone else's blueprints.
When you convert/build a MAME cab, you are making it look and play how you want. Your blueprint.

Citation: I have restored at least 9 cabs and have made at least 10 MAME/Multigame cabs.

[Vigo]

I'd like to see a well formulated argument why the restoration of a full size is unique enough to be separated from the scratch build full size, and why it deserves its own category.  If a restoration included vacuum forming a replacement Star Wars bezel, that would be exciting and new. 

Its not like its a driving cockpit or a jukebox or pinball.

I'll do my best to make a well formulated argument here.

I was actually one of the people who suggested a separate category for a scratch built dedicated machines. I did so mostly because it is a relatively new trend, and I think it is pretty darn notable concept. My opinion was mostly to separate scratch built cabinets designed for only 1 or just a couple games out from the Mame machines that are meant to play at minimum all the games of an entire control style or monitor orientation.

My thought is that restorations more or less have been around for years. You try to take an old arcade game, bring it back to it's former glory, or in certain cases, better than new. It is not as much design endeavor, but rather bringing a monument of the past back to life. On the flip side, this site has historically been about Mame and emulation. Making cabinets to play a plethora of games. This hobby has evolved, and many of the people here have already have mame machines and are looking for the next project. Last year, the trend for the veteran builders seems to be custom built dedicated machines.

A huge case in point is Sjaak's Lovers machine.  Everything about the cabinet was thought out and designed specifically to take that game into an arcade machine experience. The shape of the cab, the way the controls are close together, the custom artwork. Sjaak didn't just take a cabinet and throw a game he liked in it, he designed that cabinet as if he was going to make a production run of them for commercial use. I would also like to point out that Sjaak opened the door for a lot of people making dedicated machines through his Fix-it-Felix efforts.

Then consider Yotsuya's Macross machine. There was never a dedicated machine for this game, so he put on his 1990 glasses and designed a cabinet as if it had actually existed in arcades across the world. He made a very plausible and appealing design that is unquestionably period accurate. He used a very tempered creativity, and it really paid off in a stunning way.

Then I also tossed in 2084's Q*bert into my consideration. From scratch, he tore down and redesigned a familiar cabinet into a completely new format of arcade machine. What I love about it is it he captured the essence of what a qbert machine is, and fitted it into the size form of a pachinko machine. 2084's wall of machines is absolute pop art at it's finest.

I think Track and Field and Moon Patrol (If it gets a final nom), fit well into this category as well. While these were designed to match well to the original machine, the equipment, the methods, everything were remade with little actual hardware used or even available for reference. Nothing short of amazing attention to detail could have created perfect replicas and they stand out for it.

This last year, the flavor was making a machine from scratch for a dedicated purpose. I see it as an ongoing trend, and an awesome one. We already have Chance's DK Ultimate in the pipeline and hopefully a whole lot more to come. I don't know how the UCA board members will ultimately shuffle categories out, but my opinion is that there is enough scratch-built dedicated machines to warrant a separate category. 

[Generic Eric]

I'd like to see a well formulated argument why the restoration of a full size is unique enough to be separated from the scratch build full size, and why it deserves its own category.  If a restoration included vacuum forming a replacement Star Wars bezel, that would be exciting and new. 

Its not like its a driving cockpit or a jukebox or pinball.

Both restos and scratch builds can be huge time and money vortexes so discussing effort, skills, capitol sunk etc may not be a clear way to look at it.  A lot of mame builds in the fullsize are conversions or cab rescues so that blends the line even further.  I think the clearest delineation is between those that use re-purposed desktops/laptops and those that use original boards.  That's where the skill divide lies in my mind and where I would recommend splitting builds out.  When I look at wiring, hardware choices, and even art the pc based cabs and the original hardware cabs seem to stand out very uniquely from each other to me.  They don't have to be split out but if there is splitting out to do that's likely going to be my recommendation of how to go about it. 

This is a bit of behind the scenes sausage making but there you have it. 

How do you feel about XXX in 1 kits?   Or is this about using CRTs and isolation tranformers?

I'd like to see a well formulated argument why the restoration of a full size is unique enough to be separated from the scratch build full size, and why it deserves its own category.  If a restoration included vacuum forming a replacement Star Wars bezel, that would be exciting and new. 

Its not like its a driving cockpit or a jukebox or pinball.

I'll do my best to make a well formulated argument here.

I was actually one of the people who suggested a separate category for a scratch built dedicated machines. I did so mostly because it is a relatively new trend, and I think it is pretty darn notable concept. My opinion was mostly to separate scratch built cabinets designed for only 1 or just a couple games out from the Mame machines that are meant to play at minimum all the games of an entire control style or monitor orientation.

My thought is that restorations more or less have been around for years. You try to take an old arcade game, bring it back to it's former glory, or in certain cases, better than new. It is not as much design endeavor, but rather bringing a monument of the past back to life. On the flip side, this site has historically been about Mame and emulation. Making cabinets to play a plethora of games. This hobby has evolved, and many of the people here have already have mame machines and are looking for the next project. Last year, the trend for the veteran builders seems to be custom built dedicated machines.

A huge case in point is Sjaak's Lovers machine.  Everything about the cabinet was thought out and designed specifically to take that game into an arcade machine experience. The shape of the cab, the way the controls are close together, the custom artwork. Sjaak didn't just take a cabinet and throw a game he liked in it, he designed that cabinet as if he was going to make a production run of them for commercial use. I would also like to point out that Sjaak opened the door for a lot of people making dedicated machines through his Fix-it-Felix efforts.

Then consider Yotsuya's Macross machine. There was never a dedicated machine for this game, so he put on his 1990 glasses and designed a cabinet as if it had actually existed in arcades across the world. He made a very plausible and appealing design that is unquestionably period accurate. He used a very tempered creativity, and it really paid off in a stunning way.

Then I also tossed in 2084's Q*bert into my consideration. From scratch, he tore down and redesigned a familiar cabinet into a completely new format of arcade machine. What I love about it is it he captured the essence of what a qbert machine is, and fitted it into the size form of a pachinko machine. 2084's wall of machines is absolute pop art at it's finest.

I think Track and Field and Moon Patrol (If it gets a final nom), fit well into this category as well. While these were designed to match well to the original machine, the equipment, the methods, everything were remade with little actual hardware used or even available for reference. Nothing short of amazing attention to detail could have created perfect replicas and they stand out for it.

This last year, the flavor was making a machine from scratch for a dedicated purpose. I see it as an ongoing trend, and an awesome one. We already have Chance's DK Ultimate in the pipeline and hopefully a whole lot more to come. I don't know how the UCA board members will ultimately shuffle categories out, but my opinion is that there is enough scratch-built dedicated machines to warrant a separate category. 

The issue was the restorations, not the scratch built. 

Restoring a cab and converting to MAME ain't the same ---smurfin---' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same ---smurfin---' sport.

All Pulp Fiction aside, here is my well formulated argument on why a restore isnt the same as a build.
When you restore a cab, you are making a cab look and play like it originally did. Someone else's blueprints.
When you convert/build a MAME cab, you are making it look and play how you want. Your blueprint.

Citation: I have restored at least 9 cabs and have made at least 10 MAME/Multigame cabs.

If you have access to a cabinet that is worthwhile to be a candidate for restoration, take measurements from it and use those to build a cabinet of the same shape, use all of the same products to complete it, is the original, once restored, worthy of any more praise when both are completed using the same source for parts?

Take for example your Broad Street Bullies.  Is that less of an effort than a Mortal Kombat Restore?  Would it have been somehow better if you used a CRT? 

[Le Chuck]

How do you feel about XXX in 1 kits?   Or is this about using CRTs and isolation tranformers?

Using what I wrote above as a guideline I'd put the Xn1 builds into the same category as restos and custom original hardware builds.  That said I'm not emotionally wed to any of this and have no issues with a resto only category if there are the resto builds to cull one out.  I just think that a few of the other builds in this particular year's field are well suited to compete with certain builds vice others.  There is no right answer here, just answers. At the end of the day the UCA board in all their infinite tomfoolery will have to make a collective call on how it looks.  If it looks terrible to your eyes then pipe up and let us know in the review thread that will follow.  It may be this board is long in the tooth and in need of fresh blood.  I'll cut my already too long remarks short in the interest of dulling up this thread and go back to nominating stuff and fantasizing about my girl Daria.  :fistbump highfive topgunhighfive volleyballshirtless:

[Sjaak]

+1 for keeping this thread just for nominations

[Generic Eric]

How do you feel about XXX in 1 kits?   Or is this about using CRTs and isolation tranformers?

Using what I wrote above as a guideline I'd put the Xn1 builds into the same category as restos and custom original hardware builds.  That said I'm not emotionally wed to any of this and have no issues with a resto only category if there are the resto builds to cull one out.  I just think that a few of the other builds in this particular year's field are well suited to compete with certain builds vice others.  There is no right answer here, just answers. At the end of the day the UCA board in all their infinite tomfoolery will have to make a collective call on how it looks.  If it looks terrible to your eyes then pipe up and let us know in the review thread that will follow.  It may be this board is long in the tooth and in need of fresh blood.  I'll cut my already too long remarks short in the interest of dulling up this thread and go back to nominating stuff and fantasizing about my girl Daria.  :fistbump highfive topgunhighfive volleyballshirtless:

Don't quit now.  I was hoping you'd dial it up a notch with a combine, nomination round and a twitch broadcast of the awardees. 

[Generic Eric]

+1 for keeping this thread just for nominations

---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.

All day I never noticed this.

egg on my face I thought I posted it in the other thread.

A thousand apologies.

[Generic Eric]

Man I hope a mod can move my hullablallo from the other thread.

[Malenko]

If you have access to a cabinet that is worthwhile to be a candidate for restoration, take measurements from it and use those to build a cabinet of the same shape, use all of the same products to complete it, is the original, once restored, worthy of any more praise when both are completed using the same source for parts?

Take for example your Broad Street Bullies.  Is that less of an effort than a Mortal Kombat Restore?  Would it have been somehow better if you used a CRT?

We arent on the same page. If I had to group scratch built dedicateds in with something, it'd be restorations but that's a bit of a stretch. I'm saying a restoration of a dedicated arcade machine back to its former glory shouldnt be compared to MAMEing anything (conversion or scratch) since its not the same premise. Scratch built MAME should go head to head with conversion MAMEs IMO.

My MK restore was much less of an effort over BSB.

MK restore just took  replacing wiring and PS, getting art printed up and me designing  a single custom front piece that I hated on the originals.

BSB took designing/tweaking a layout, designing the control panel overlay artwork, designing the monitor bezels artwork , recreating the original marquee art, getting all that printed, wiring up a KeyWiz , customizing the keywiz programming to make a 4 player panel work with a 2 player encoder, set up a MAME PC, create a mala layout, create mala game lists, mount a 28" LCD thats 25.1 inches wide in a 25 inch wide opening, figuring out button and joystick colors, covering up that ugly MK4 art and more!


Actual restoration projects: My MK1 & KI, MK3Fan's Mario Bros & Rampage, Namsan's MK1, MK2, and MK3 , I'm sure there are others. Maybe not enough to spin off its only category 

[Vigo]

The issue was the restorations, not the scratch built. 

Right, but I am using my category suggestion to the UCA board to explain that when something is scratch built, it is a completely different animal from a restoration. Track and field and moon patrol are not restorations, even if they are close to authentic. I just personally don't think it is fair to categorize them with MAME cabs either, especially considering how many dedicated builds have come through the pipeline.

[pbj]

Scratch the categories and go with "Top 10 neatest projects" and let the voting sort it out.

[Le Chuck]

Scratch the categories and go with "Top 10 neatest projects" and let the voting sort it out.

Not bad that...

[yotsuya]

[Vigo]

Janeane Garofalo gets my vote for "neatest project" of 2014.

[yotsuya]

I'm going to say this again once, then STFU-

I really don't want to get into minutia when it comes to nominations, categories, or cabs. This isn't a 4H competition where we use checklists to evaluate each and every aspect of a cabinet to decide a winner. Should a cabinet someone built COMPLETELY by hand, hauling the MDF in the back their truck and cutting it by hand with a circular saw magically get more points than a cabinet someone designed and had cut on a CNC machine? Should someone be dinged for artwork they paid someone to design? Why go there?

C'mon, guys, this is the FOURTH time around. Nominate your favorite cabinets like in the past, and if there is a clear type of grouping, the committee will look it at so that there aren't a dozen cabs in one catergory (we're almost there). If you don't like it, the committee will take your feedback after this time around. If you are really hell-bent on it, I guarantee you there will be openings on the UCA board next time around.

[Malenko]

I nominate me for next year's UCA board! 

[Nephasth]

I guarantee you there will be openings on the UCA board next time around.

Time to update the ol' resume...

[wp34]

I really don't want to get into minutia when it comes to nominations, categories, or cabs. This isn't a 4H competition where we use checklists to evaluate each and every aspect of a cabinet to decide a winner. Should a cabinet someone built COMPLETELY by hand, hauling the MDF in the back their truck and cutting it by hand with a circular saw magically get more points than a cabinet someone designed and had cut on a CNC machine? Should someone be dinged for artwork they paid someone to design? Why go there?

Quoted for truth.

[Vigo]

I'm fine with trusting the sorting hat

[saint]

Man I hope a mod can move my hullablallo from the other thread.

Done, I think

[PL1]

Moved another batch of discussion/non-nomination related posts to this thread.

Hopefully, that sorts things out here.

I'm fine with trusting the sorting hat

Is the hat willing to be a mod for these threads?   


Scott

[pbj]

I nominate me for next year's UCA board! 

Seconded.

[Generic Eric]

Thanks for moving my hullabaloo.

[harveybirdman]

Malenko should definitely be in the "Pentaverate"

[Malenko]

Malenko should definitely be in the "Pentaverate"

I appreciate the "So I married an Axe Murderer" reference.

[Well Fed Games]

Yet another year with no Urkelcade- so can any of us really be "winners?"

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=115185.0;attach=174077;image

[ChanceKJ]

Yet another year with no Urkelcade- so can any of us really be "winners?"

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=115185.0;attach=174077;image

[UCA]

The After Action Review Board is up - go voice your opinions on how things should be run and toss somebody's name in the hat to run the UCAs for next year(s). 

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,143689.0/topicseen.html




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