To craunch the marmoset.

[danny_galaga]

It would be nice to find a standard diagram of the C64 power supply pinout, but there seems to be a 50/50 take on it. This is silly! There can only be one way. I don't want to have to pull my computer apart just to see!
 
Here's two opposing examples:
 
http://www.allpinout...64_Power_Supply
 
http://www.hardwareb...64_Power_Supply
 
 
As Leonard Cohen once sang "One of us cannot be wrong"...

[danny_galaga]

Oh, maybe it doesn't matter. Both tables say pin 4 is either not connected, or 5+. Which might mean it doesn't matter which way you connect it!

And to further that, this wiki explains quite well, and their pinout is unambiguous- it is clearly looking at the female end, and is the way I've just soldered mine:

http://www.c64-wiki.com/index.php/Power_Supply_Connector

Fingers crossed!

[Howard_Casto]

Off topic, but old tech is starting to get on my nerves anymore. 

I was thinking about starting up my console collection again.... buying some really old stuff (colecovision, 2600, ect) but it seems that we still don't have a viable solution to hook up rf-out consoles to modern tvs other than keeping around an old dvd player or vcr. 

Surely there is a small, cheap, tv tuner out there?

[danny_galaga]

Off topic, but old tech is starting to get on my nerves anymore. 

And also off topic 

[Howard_Casto]

Sorry but my English is perfect.  You on the other hand, are a grammar Nazi.  If you are from the UK then that is mostly likely the problem as they haven't spoken proper English in over 100 years. 

[DaveMMR]

we still don't have a viable solution to hook up rf-out consoles to modern tvs other than keeping around an old dvd player or vcr. 

Hook them up to a CRT instead. 

[danny_galaga]

Sorry but my English is perfect.  You on the other hand, are a grammar Nazi.  If you are from the UK then that is mostly likely the problem as they haven't spoken proper English in over 100 years.

Hehe. So what exactly does

is starting to get on my nerves anymore. 

mean in proper English?

And I'm not really a grammar nazi, my spelling is getting worse over time (I blame computers!) , so I generally  try and avoid correcting spelling. But when the whole context is not clear, then I just have to ask the question. Or post a David Mitchells Soapbox clip 

Anyway, to answer YOUR question, do as DaveMMR says. They look a lot better that way. Or pull the (video signal) guts out of your old VCR and put it in a snazzy little black box. At least it won't take up so much room. Also, most consoles can be modded to at least output composite, which would be ok on a modern TV. I modded my Master System II that way, and the picture is way better than the original RF.

So how about an answer to MY question 

[danny_galaga]

Well, I figured I was 99% certain my little adapter would work, so thought "what the hell" and switched it on. No smoke! Here's the adapter and the rig in question. C64C was found on the side of the road, and the TV is an old AV unit from my work. We used to have to huddle around that 38cm TV for presentations! One day they got smart and bought a wide screen TV. I got to take this home which has a stack of inputs and low 'milage'. Perfect for a C64 (",)

[MonMotha]

I hope you're using a fairly hefty USB "charger" or similar.  That site says the C64 can pull up to 1.5A on the 5V line, but normal USB ports are only specified to 500mA (0.5A).  Most high-end USB chargers are good to 1.5-2A, but check its specs.

[danny_galaga]

Yeah, shoulda mentioned, the USB is a 2AMP job. And the AC is from a PAL SNES supply which is 9VAC, 1.3AMP

[Howard_Casto]

Sorry but my English is perfect.  You on the other hand, are a grammar Nazi.  If you are from the UK then that is mostly likely the problem as they haven't spoken proper English in over 100 years.

Hehe. So what exactly does

is starting to get on my nerves anymore. 

mean in proper English?

And I'm not really a grammar nazi, my spelling is getting worse over time (I blame computers!) , so I generally  try and avoid correcting spelling. But when the whole context is not clear, then I just have to ask the question. Or post a David Mitchells Soapbox clip 

Anyway, to answer YOUR question, do as DaveMMR says. They look a lot better that way. Or pull the (video signal) guts out of your old VCR and put it in a snazzy little black box. At least it won't take up so much room. Also, most consoles can be modded to at least output composite, which would be ok on a modern TV. I modded my Master System II that way, and the picture is way better than the original RF.

So how about an answer to MY question 

Well when a person types a perfectly legible English sentence and they get a response that's a lecture about grammar I'm not sure how they can't be offended by it. 

When you use anymore at the end of a sentence like that it equates to "recently".  So recently retro tech has started to get on my nerves.  I'm not one of the Crane brothers from Frasier though, so I phrased it like a normal human speaks.    I wonder what part of the globe you live in that you've never ran across such a common expression.   


Back on topic I've looked into the de-casing option.  The problem is really good tuners are on old tech (4 head vcrs, ect) so it's the size of a house.  Newer stuff like portable dvd players and the like have crap tuners.  Keep in mind this is coming from me.... I'm not exactly a picture quality snob like some members of the forums, so if I can tell a difference it's pretty bad.  I saw something on newegg that looked perfect.... an external tuner that was very compact, but when I clicked on it I discovered that they don't sell it anymore and they haven't for over 7 years.  Google finds the dead links sometimes. 

I wish I knew a little more about how tuners worked.  I've got tons of old video capture cards that were of high quality.... If I could just externalize them we might have a solution. 

Or I could start a kickstarter and let people throw money at the problem until it goes away. 

[danny_galaga]

Sorry but my English is perfect.  You on the other hand, are a grammar Nazi.  If you are from the UK then that is mostly likely the problem as they haven't spoken proper English in over 100 years.

Hehe. So what exactly does

is starting to get on my nerves anymore. 

mean in proper English?

And I'm not really a grammar nazi, my spelling is getting worse over time (I blame computers!) , so I generally  try and avoid correcting spelling. But when the whole context is not clear, then I just have to ask the question. Or post a David Mitchells Soapbox clip 

Anyway, to answer YOUR question, do as DaveMMR says. They look a lot better that way. Or pull the (video signal) guts out of your old VCR and put it in a snazzy little black box. At least it won't take up so much room. Also, most consoles can be modded to at least output composite, which would be ok on a modern TV. I modded my Master System II that way, and the picture is way better than the original RF.

So how about an answer to MY question 

Well when a person types a perfectly legible English sentence and they get a response that's a lecture about grammar I'm not sure how they can't be offended by it. 

When you use anymore at the end of a sentence like that it equates to "recently".  So recently retro tech has started to get on my nerves.  I'm not one of the Crane brothers from Frasier though, so I phrased it like a normal human speaks.    I wonder what part of the globe you live in that you've never ran across such a common expression.   

It's funny that you can't see that line doesn't actually make grammatical sense. Apparently "Imma bus' you upside yo head, foo'", is also in common usage in your part of the world, but you are never going to convince me it is proper English. I'm old fashioned like that. Anyway, I could care less :-P

Back on topic I've looked into the de-casing option.  The problem is really good tuners are on old tech (4 head vcrs, ect) so it's the size of a house.  Newer stuff like portable dvd players and the like have crap tuners.  Keep in mind this is coming from me.... I'm not exactly a picture quality snob like some members of the forums, so if I can tell a difference it's pretty bad.  I saw something on newegg that looked perfect.... an external tuner that was very compact, but when I clicked on it I discovered that they don't sell it anymore and they haven't for over 7 years.  Google finds the dead links sometimes. 

I wish I knew a little more about how tuners worked.  I've got tons of old video capture cards that were of high quality.... If I could just externalize them we might have a solution. 

Or I could start a kickstarter and let people throw money at the problem until it goes away. 

I've never looked at them, but what about set top boxes? Would they have useful inputs and outputs? I never needed one, I went from CRT to LCD, and kept the CRTs for classic gaming

[Howard_Casto]

*sigh*

It's proper English because there is no such thing as proper English.  Proper English equates to "the queen's English" which traditionally speaking has always meant you better speak how the queen speaks because you dare not offend her.  Sorry but that means the language is both constantly changing and since I'm an American I could give two poops about the queen's English. 

The only way it is improper English is if you make up words or use slang that doesn't make any sense.  I did neither.  Your ignorance of a usage of a particular word doesn't mean I made a grammatical error, but rather you were ignorant of a way to use it.

And I won't bore you with how great American writers like Samuel Clemens broke the sigma of having to write "properly" in literature and how it changed the way we accept language today, both in written and spoken form. 

The short of it is unless I made up a word or spelled it wrong, it's proper English.

[Harry Potter]

Sounds like a carbon copy (Can I use that in reference to verbal stuff) of my daily work arguments.
English Shminglish.

[danny_galaga]

*sigh*

It's proper English because there is no such thing as proper English.  Proper English equates to "the queen's English" which traditionally speaking has always meant you better speak how the queen speaks because you dare not offend her.  Sorry but that means the language is both constantly changing and since I'm an American I could give two poops about the queen's English. 

The only way it is improper English is if you make up words or use slang that doesn't make any sense.  I did neither.  Your ignorance of a usage of a particular word doesn't mean I made a grammatical error, but rather you were ignorant of a way to use it.

And I won't bore you with how great American writers like Samuel Clemens broke the sigma of having to write "properly" in literature and how it changed the way we accept language today, both in written and spoken form. 

The short of it is unless I made up a word or spelled it wrong, it's proper English.

Didi you even LOOK at the video clip? It wasn't about spelling, or made up words. It was about the American phrase 'I could care less'. Just like your phrase, according to you, it must be correct because each word is correct. And yet it doesn't actually make sense. Also, it is supposed to be funny. You should try funny sometime, Howard. Anyway, you're ok. I don't know WHY they say the things they say about you 

As it happens, both our ways of thinking about English are antiquated and outmoded. Chinglish is the future, man.

Seeing as how I trashed my own thread, I'll start a new one about Commodore 64's (",)

[Grasshopper]

*sigh*

It's proper English because there is no such thing as proper English.

Actually there is.

English (like all spoken languages) does slowly change over time, and does also vary a bit depending upon one's geographical location. However, at any given time/place there is a recognised set of core grammatical rules and spelling. Indeed, that's pretty much the definition of a language. If you don't have an agreed set of rules then you don't have a language.

Sure, you can deviate from the standard rules a bit. However, the further you deviate from them, the harder it is for others to understand what you're saying.

Also, thanks to the printing press, and at least a hundred years of relatively straigtforward international travel and communication, English has become remarkably standardised across most of the English speaking world. Someone from say New Zealand uses pretty much the same grammar and spelling as someone from the US or UK. There are a tiny number of words and grammatical rules that are different. But they are few and far between.

[Le Chuck]

What english needs is centrally controlled governing body of 40 members and a full time secretary that dictates acceptable useage like L’Académie française.  Seats would be assigned based on the proportion of Angliphones in a given population and all decisions would have to be ratified by a two thirds majority (or simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs).   

[PL1]

What english needs is centrally controlled governing body of 40 members and a full time secretary that dictates acceptable useage like L’Académie française.  Seats would be assigned based on the proportion of Angliphones in a given population and all decisions would have to be ratified by a two thirds majority (or simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs).

Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!




Scott

[Malenko]

Such thread derailment. Danny, what part of the UK is in Australia?

[Harry Potter]

I always thought proper English was crap like "How do you do my good sir. Jolly good night we're having this morrow. I am considering a jaunt down to the local larger establishment for some joyful banter and companionship"

Proper English in my view is English that everyone can understand. "I could care less" makes sense, even though I wouldn't teach it to any of my students. But if they asked, I might offer the alternative and explain that both are the same thing.

If you don't like that than you can stick it up you're a** and keep it their.

[Le Chuck]

Such thread derailment. Danny, what part of the UK is in Australia?

The penal part. 

[deadmoney5]

If you don't like that than you can stick it up you're a** and keep it their.

"...and keep it there"?

Also Howard....why not just write, " but old tech is starting to get on my nerves, lately"?

  

[pbj]

I swear to god, arguments over the phrase "I could care less" are up there with Microsoft Solitaire in the time wasting Olympics.

[Malenko]

I swear to god, arguments over the phrase "I could care less" are up there with Microsoft Solitaire in the time wasting Olympics.

especially over something so simple. If you could care less, then you are not at the minimum level of care.

[pbj]

Go away, you're not sucking me in.   

[yotsuya]

I swear to god, arguments over the phrase "I could care less" are up there with Microsoft Solitaire in the time wasting Olympics.

especially over something so simple. If you could care less, then you are not at the minimum level of care.

Amen.

[pbj]

Begs the question is up there, too, but luckily I haven't encountered too many armchair geniuses that want to fight that battle.

 

[Harry Potter]

If you don't like that than you can stick it up you're a** and keep it their.

"...and keep it there"?

I stand by what wrote, in an ironic way. Mebby.

[danny_galaga]

If you don't like that than you can stick it up you're a** and keep it their.

"...and keep it there"?

I stand by what wrote, in an ironic way. Mebby.

That's MEBBE. You dumme...

[Drnick]

[hypernova]

Geez.  I could care less about this thread.  Which begs the question, "why am I here"?

And I won't bore you

We're waaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond that!

[Le Chuck]

Geez.  I could care less about this thread.  Which begs the question, "why am I here"?

So we can do an awesome around the world top gun high five, but with a running start and then after that we both do that jump through your own leg trick and then bounce outta this beyotch!  On three!  One, two...

[hypernova]

Super ultimate high five go!

[dkersten]

And I'm not really a grammar nazi, my spelling is getting worse over time (I blame computers!), so I generally try and to avoid correcting spelling.

I fixed this for you.. Because when you try AND avoid something, it doesn't really make sense, you know, in proper English.  I am pretty sure there is also a grammatical error in "correcting spelling" but frankly I hated my English class and pretty much ignore any of the rules, so I don't give a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- outside of correcting the grammar Nazi who isn't really a grammar Nazi, although he wrote a veritable book about why it was OK to correct someone's grammar.  Oh the irony... 

[danny_galaga]

And I'm not really a grammar nazi, my spelling is getting worse over time (I blame computers!), so I generally try and to avoid correcting spelling.

I fixed this for you.. Because when you try AND avoid something, it doesn't really make sense, you know, in proper English.  I am pretty sure there is also a grammatical error in "correcting spelling" but frankly I hated my English class and pretty much ignore any of the rules, so I don't give a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- outside of correcting the grammar Nazi who isn't really a grammar Nazi, although he wrote a veritable book about why it was OK to correct someone's grammar.  Oh the irony... 

No, what is ironic is that the very first reply to my posts (about C64 power supplies) derailed it. So I decided to derail the derailment. That is the irony, that no one noticed what the thread was about in the first place. I have since changed the thread title to something more appropriate 

[dkersten]

Sorry, I haven't touched a c64 in 30 years, so I can't help you out.  But I do know how to troll a grammar Nazi.. 

Carry on my good chap. Cheerio!

[danny_galaga]

Sorry, I haven't touched a c64 in 30 years, so I can't help you out.  But I do know how to troll a grammar Nazi.. 

Carry on my good chap. Cheerio!

Well, I thank you for taking the time to read the first post...

[Vigo]

This feels random now, but I am wondering, does the c64 and the  c64c use the same power supply?

[Le Chuck]

This feels random now, but I am wondering, does the c64 and the  c64c use the same power supply?

You mean do and not does, right?  You wouldn't say does they would you?  WOULD YOU?!

[danny_galaga]

This feels random now, but I am wondering, does the c64 and the  c64c use the same power supply?

Apparently not, the C64 supply is rated at 1.5A, while the C64C is 1.7A