F- You, Kickstarter Project

[yotsuya]

Ugh....

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/688754510/donkey-kong-world-record?ref=nav_search

I'd rather Paypal any one of you $20 to go kick this dude in the nuts.

[Howard_Casto]

My paypal address is......


Seriously though, I warned everyone that this kind of b.s. is what kickstarter would devolve into. 

[pbj]

Donkey Kong is so over.

 

[DaveMMR]

Hah, we were mocking this on the Classic Gamer Facebook Group I belong to. My theory was that this dude just wants a Donkey Kong machine and decided to embellish why he's asking for money. And I'm sure that eBook of his is just going to be him bitching about his wife like he did all through his description.

[Howard_Casto]

Donkey Kong is so over.

 

I never knew Donkey Kong was a thing.  I can appreciate it, but it wasn't interesting when it was released nor has it been interesting in the King of Kong era.  The best thing about DK was that it made Nintendo's video game experiment successful so they could go on to save the console industry and put Mario in his own series.  The game itself was kind of "meh". 

[DaveMMR]

I have a soft spot for Donkey Kong - it was pretty much the first video I ever played (albeit the Colecovision version.)

[Malenko]

I asked why he needed 8 grand for something that at most should cost him around 1500.

I like Donkey Kong, I can get some pretty fun runs in, but its not something I could play competitively or for long stretches of time. 

[Nephasth]

I asked why he needed 8 grand for something that at most should cost him around 1500.

He must live in New York...

[Malenko]

I asked why he needed 8 grand for something that at most should cost him around 1500.

He must live in New York...

yeah but he actually HAS a wife (allegedly)

[JDFan]

I asked why he needed 8 grand for something that at most should cost him around 1500.

He must live in New York...

Actually near Detroit MI - so guess with all the looting and abandoned properties there all the machines in the area were destroyed so he has to fly the family down to Florida to get this $600 one ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Donkey-Kong-TKG4-Upright-1981-Classic-Arcade-Game-/221516209819?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item3393651e9b ) and then drive it back which is gonna cost at least $8K 

[BadMouth]

Well if a guy can start a kickstarter with a $10 goal to make potato salad and end up with $55k in contributions........

I just want my 90'a arcade racer and digital copy of the artcade book that are both long past due.

[yotsuya]

I asked why he needed 8 grand for something that at most should cost him around 1500.

Bro, he's training to beat the WORLD RECORD! So obviously it's $1500 for the game, the rest for mini-Snickers and Gatorade.

[JDFan]

and digital copy of the artcade book that are both long past due.

So no news on that yet --Shame that it hasn't been sent seeing that he supposedly has the digital version all ready - I don't see why he can't at least fulfill that portion of the rewards even if they never get to print the book at least those that contributed would get something ! (does Kickstarter offer any method for refunding those projects that do not follow through with their promises ?

EDIT : Just looked at the updates and seems he posted one and it looks like now it will be October\November before the book gets printed and he is also selling the rights to the digital distribution so that also will not be delivered until at least the same time frame -- so will be interesting to see if that is actually a final date and the thing gets delivered or if that is just to buy him 5 months of not having people ask him what is happening !

The biggest compromise is that they're keen to make the book part of their planned publishing cycle for the year, including some promotional activities at a number of trade shows and related events. This means that they're looking at a late October/early November publication date.

[Malenko]

I just noticed his screenshots on there are from the Pauline rom hack.

[JDFan]

I just noticed his screenshots on there are from the Pauline rom hack.

LOL -- such a professional player that he didn't even notice that ! 

[jmike]

 

In his Q&A he says that if he had a job or a bank account he would buy someone's machine. I'm sure his "wife" is so proud. 

 

[yotsuya]

After reading his Q&A responses, I'd like to up my nut-kicking amount to $30.

[Nephasth]

[yotsuya]

HAHAHAHA! I love it!

[pbj]

I'm saying 60/40 this is a troll kickstarter vs sincere.  This seems a little too much like those "Gutted Revolution X cabinet that's been in the rain.  $450" ads....

[Howard_Casto]

I think at this point they can remove the "panhandler" from the caption.  The sobering fact I came to long ago is 90% of the kickstarter projects on the net are this.... just people begging for money. 

I think I might start a kickstarter to buy kickstarter.  So I can put it under better management with a stricter ruleset or just shut it down completely. 

[DaveMMR]

After reading his Q&A responses, I'd like to up my nut-kicking amount to $30.

Was it, perchance, this line?

I wish I had a job or bank account that allowed me to pursue my dream without looking for the support of others...but I don't.

That annoyed me.

Okay, maybe the wife is the breadwinner and he's a stay-at-home dad/househusband/whatever.  Nothing wrong with that.  But is there something stopping this dude from getting a part time job or do something to simply buy a Donkey Kong?  And don't give me some cock-and-bull story about there being no jobs or he's on disability.  If he has the time to play DK and he can get himself to an arcade, he has time to look anywhere and everywhere for a job - even if it's shoveling crap.   Bottom line - if he really wanted a machine to play his DK he can get it with a little elbow grease instead of eBegging.

And I don't know why he feels he needs to spend $1,000 on a website.  Wordpress or Blogger is free - not like anyone's going there anyhow.  And, as I said, no one gives a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about the book.

So long-story short: Yotsuya, save your money. I'd do it for free if I could.

EDIT: I may have misread that. Maybe he meant he wish he had the type of salary that would allow him to purchase one. Either way, still stupid. Find the extra money somewhere else instead of begging.

[dkersten]

Bro, he's training to beat the WORLD RECORD! So obviously it's $1500 for the game, the rest for mini-Snickers and Gatorade.

He needs hotpockets!

[yotsuya]

So long-story short: Yotsuya, save your money. I'd do it for free if I could.

Maybe I'll start a Kickstarter to raise enough money to make a nut-kicking worthwhile.

[Le Chuck]

I think I might start a kickstarter to buy kickstarter.  So I can put it under better management with a stricter ruleset or just shut it down completely.

Now that's an idea with merit!  Do it, it'll go viral in a damn second!

[DaveMMR]

I think I might start a kickstarter to buy kickstarter.  So I can put it under better management with a stricter ruleset or just shut it down completely.

Now that's an idea with merit!  Do it, it'll go viral in a damn second!

I saw there was a KS campaign for a sharpened pencil.  I wasn't even looking for anything stupid; it was on the front page.  So yeah, I second that Howard do it - I'd contribute.

[yotsuya]

I saw there was a KS campaign for a sharpened pencil.  I wasn't even looking for anything stupid; it was on the front page.  So yeah, I second that Howard do it - I'd contribute.

Was it this: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1201666075/sharpends-carpenter-pencil?ref=nav_search

At least it's a new product idea, even though it's a bit pricy; I can get a 10 pack of regular carpenter pencils for $3.50 as opposed to $25 for 3 of those other ones.

Edit: Naw, it was probably this dumbass project: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/799432157/the-sharpened-pencil-project?ref=discovery . Stupid, stupid ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.

[DaveMMR]

Edit: Naw, it was probably this dumbass project: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/799432157/the-sharpened-pencil-project?ref=discovery . Stupid, stupid ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.

Yup, that's the one.  We used to get Cards Against Humanity.  Now we get crap....

[kahlid74]

I've still, to this day had great success with Kickstarts I've pledged.  Stuff like this exists sure, but there's also a great amount of other good projects out there.

[lilshawn]

It's confirmed. people are retards.

and when retards see retarded ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, they can't help but be amazed and throw their support into it.

oh em gee this guy! trying to get moni for piza. i'm totally pledging 20 bucks cuz this is so owsome.

 

it's exactly this why things like this don't get taken seriously, and so really good ideas/projects never get off the ground, because some retard does pencils and people stop going to kickstarter.

[SlammedNiss]

Okay, maybe the wife is the breadwinner and he's a stay-at-home dad/househusband/whatever.  Nothing wrong with that.  But is there something stopping this dude from getting a part time job or do something to simply buy a Donkey Kong?  And don't give me some cock-and-bull story about there being no jobs or he's on disability.  If he has the time to play DK and he can get himself to an arcade, he has time to look anywhere and everywhere for a job - even if it's shoveling crap.   Bottom line - if he really wanted a machine to play his DK he can get it with a little elbow grease instead of eBegging.

I guess I shouldn't  bother asking you to contribute to my KS fund so I can play in the WSOP Main Event next year?

[pbj]

It's confirmed. people are retards.

Get out of the 20th century.  People aren't their conditions, they are people suffering from a condition. 

So take pride in knowing that you're a, "man with a hat made from an ass."

[Howard_Casto]

It's confirmed. people are retards.

and when retards see retarded ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, they can't help but be amazed and throw their support into it.

oh em gee this guy! trying to get moni for piza. i'm totally pledging 20 bucks cuz this is so owsome.

 

it's exactly this why things like this don't get taken seriously, and so really good ideas/projects never get off the ground, because some retard does pencils and people stop going to kickstarter.

Using the word "retard" that much in a comment is retarded.  (Note I used the word properly.)

That being said....

Yeah it's true I've lost all faith in kickstarter at this point because even if I see a project that might be a good idea, I'm a little leery of people asking for handouts anyway and when I see something dumb like a pencil kickstarter or a potato salad kickstarter rake in thousands of dollars it makes me realize that the site has ZERO integrity checks and background checks.  So that good idea might be a cleverly disguised Ponzi scheme. 

I mean when Tim Schaufer, a high profile game developer can get away with not only asking for MORE money after he got way more than he asked for and then CHANGING THE BUSINESS CONTRACT HE HAD WITH INVESTORS that's mind numbingly frightening. 

I'm not saying he's going to take the money and run, but when you have a site where the laws of business don't apply... it probably isn't a great space to spend your money. 

Kickstarter could be great, if they just added these laws: 

1.  All projects must submit a written business plan.  That plan has to be posted publically for all investors to see.
2.  All projects must have a cap on fund collecting.   No more raising 10,000 bucks for a 20 dollar project.
3.  All projects should be considered a legally binding contract, where investors have the right to ask for a refund and sue you if you try to change the terms.  For example if your kickstarter's goal is to design a new kind of spoon you can't decide mid-way because you got more funds than expected you'll make a swiss army knife instead.
4.  Related to #3, all projects are required to have a set time table.  If you exceed the time table by a reasonable amount, the money you got from investors is now considered a loan... they have the right to ask for it back. 

These aren't radical demands by any means, just standard business terms on a contract.  The problem with kickstarter is a lot of people use it to bypass business.. which is bad business. 

[pbj]

Kickstarter doesn't care about any of that crap.  All they do is convey a veneer of credibility and collect that precious, precious commission.

I'd actually put donorschoose in the "worse than kickstarter" category.  Project doesn't get enough funds?  Tough, they keep your money and throw it into their general fund.  Gotta pay for those televised concerts somehow.

[lilshawn]

collect that precious, precious commission.

That, in a nutshell, is all they care about. They could care less about the quality...whether or not the guy will actually do it or not...hell, even the legality of it.

It's become just another way for people to scam money instead of a legitimate fundraising campaign tool.

Using the word "retard" that much in a comment is retarded.  (Note I used the word properly.)

It's really disheartening to people with good, legitimate, needs and ideas to see ASS CLOWNS get THOUSANDS in funding for them to (i don't know...buy a dead frog he saw at a garage sale), while the guy who is raising money to help pay to modify his home with a ramp so his wheelchair bound child can easily get into and out of the house sits at 10 bucks.

THAT is RETARDED.

The man and his company who has spent his life savings developing a product and needs a final push of a couple thousand to get some of his product made and out there has 1 backer while some BALL LICKER wants to sell cardboard moustaches and needs...nay, WANTS a 20,00 kickstart...AND GETS IT and then some.

THAT is RETARDED.

So yeah, retarded people ARE everywhere. they find the retarded things and can't help but do it. They say a fool and his money are soon parted.... AIN'T THAT THE TRUTH!

Then of course like you mentioned, Tim Schaufer...oh there is lots of people who want his hide alright. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts he's got a new car in his driveway as a result of that fiasco. Let's not talk about the Ouya which was shrouded in a scandal of it's own. Then there was that kid (his name escapes me right now) who had all these great ambitions for a new PC game and had all these screenshots and it was great....and then after it was funded...nothing....for months..."almost doe" he'd say... people are screaming they want their game... then he spit out a game using a freely available game maker software and said HERE YOU GO!  bravo buddy. probably bought a bunch of tv's and xboxes with that money.

[yotsuya]

Then there was that kid (his name escapes me right now) who had all these great ambitions for a new PC game and had all these screenshots and it was great....and then after it was funded...nothing....for months..."almost doe" he'd say... people are screaming they want their game... then he spit out a game using a freely available game maker software and said HERE YOU GO!  bravo buddy. probably bought a bunch of tv's and xboxes with that money.

Link? Would love to read that.

[shponglefan]

That's awesome and I would so love to see that tried in person.

[shponglefan]

1.  All projects must submit a written business plan.  That plan has to be posted publically for all investors to see.
2.  All projects must have a cap on fund collecting.   No more raising 10,000 bucks for a 20 dollar project.
3.  All projects should be considered a legally binding contract, where investors have the right to ask for a refund and sue you if you try to change the terms.  For example if your kickstarter's goal is to design a new kind of spoon you can't decide mid-way because you got more funds than expected you'll make a swiss army knife instead.
4.  Related to #3, all projects are required to have a set time table.  If you exceed the time table by a reasonable amount, the money you got from investors is now considered a loan... they have the right to ask for it back.

IMHO, this would basically kill kickstarter.  The whole idea is to cut the red tape in funding ventures; the minute you start getting lawyers/accountants involved, you just eff up the whole purpose behind it.

Kickstarter isn't about investment; it's about donations.  People need to simply accept that.

[pbj]

(i don't know...buy a dead frog he saw at a garage sale)

Make me an offer

[Howard_Casto]

If so then good. 

That sort of thing isn't "red tape" it insuring that people get what they pay for. 

The difficulty in getting traditional investors for an idea is usually two fold.  Either financial reasons (can't get a big enough load, the investment would be risky as the profit return would be low, ect) or business reasons... aka you don't have a clue what you are doing or are flat out selling snake oil. 

Kickstarter is supposed to be for people having difficulty with the former, not the latter. 

[ChadTower]

I didn't even get all that far into the reading before I wanted to kick that guy in the balls.

Currently for me to access an official cabinet, that means hours of driving just to get to an arcade that still owns a working version of Donkey Kong (in the hopes that it's having a "working day" and some annoying children aren't hogging it).

So... he hates those annoying children who hog the machine because they prevent him from hogging the machine.  I know when I'm at ACAM I frequently see children playing for hours on one token.  Those damn 8 year olds are Donkey Kong savants.   

[kahlid74]

Kickstarter isn't about investment; it's about donations.  People need to simply accept that.

Pretty much this.  I accepted this long ago and it's done wonders for me letting go and being happy with what I've gotten as part of the projects I've backed/donated too.

[yotsuya]

OK, which one of you ---uvulas--- donated $100?

[Malenko]

OK, which one of you ---uvulas--- donated $100?

Wasnt me, doesnt matter, he has to get  $272 a day every day, to meet his goal now.

[DaveMMR]

OK, which one of you ---uvulas--- donated $100?

For $100, that person gets to go over that guy's house and watch him play Donkey Kong.  I wish I had the kind of money to spend to watch some dude play a video game in his own home.

[pbj]

For $100, that person gets to go over that guy's house and watch him play Donkey Kong.  I wish I had the kind of money to spend to watch some dude play a video game in his own home.

I'll let you watch me play video games for $20.  Free if you bring alcohol.

[ChadTower]

Do we get to taunt him and film it?  That might be entertaining.

[pbj]

Do we get to taunt him and film it?  That might be entertaining.

What are you?  My wife?  If you wanna play that game I demand half hearted sex 2-3 times a month, too.

[dkersten]

What are you?  My wife?  If you wanna play that game I demand half hearted sex 2-3 times a month, too.

2-3 times per month?  Eventually that turns into "birthdays and Christmas".. 

Girlfriends are better, they BRING the alcohol, make you a sandwich while you play, and then reward your high score with more sex, then go home to let you play some more..

[Le Chuck]

Do we get to taunt him and film it?  That might be entertaining.

What are you?  My wife?  If you wanna play that game I demand half hearted sex 2-3 times a month, too.

Aaand I totally just blew beverage all over my screen.  Well done PBJ. 

[yotsuya]

Aaand I totally just blew beverage all over my screen.  Well done PBJ.

Uhh..... I hope that was just beverage....

[ChadTower]

Sounds like someone needs to bring the wife outside the house more often.

[Le Chuck]

Aaand I totally just blew beverage all over my screen.  Well done PBJ.

Uhh..... I hope that was just beverage....

How far down that trail are you willing to ride amigo?  You do not want to start gay chicken with me. I don't lose.

[ChadTower]

It's a gay cockfight!   

Wait, what?

[pbj]

 

[yotsuya]

Aaand I totally just blew beverage all over my screen.  Well done PBJ.

Uhh..... I hope that was just beverage....

How far down that trail are you willing to ride amigo?  You do not want to start gay chicken with me. I don't lose.

Aaand I totally just blew a beverage-like fluid all over my screen. Well done LC.

[Le Chuck]

Aaand I totally just blew beverage all over my screen.  Well done PBJ.

Uhh..... I hope that was just beverage....

How far down that trail are you willing to ride amigo?  You do not want to start gay chicken with me. I don't lose.

Aaand I totally just blew a beverage-like fluid all over my screen. Well done LC.

So it begins...

[pbj]

Yeah, google image search gay chicken at your own risk.  I shudder to think what the pornmachine bing would churn up.

[yotsuya]

Actually, I find this game of gay chicken more entertaining than that dude's Kickstarter.

[ChadTower]

Kockstarter?

[BadMouth]

Do we get to taunt him and film it?  That might be entertaining.

What are you?  My wife?

Does your wife have a youtube channel?

[pbj]

Does your wife have a youtube channel?

You know, I feel like this is one of those setups where I'd say, "No, of course not.  She'd never do anything like that" and then later find out she's a camwhore and you're on her used panties mailing list.

So I'm just gonna say, "not to my knowledge, and let's keep it that way."

 

[Malenko]

She'd never do anything like that" and then later find out she's a camwhore and you're on her used panties mailing list.

I'll give you $20 for.....oh, you were being sarcastic. Nevermind.

[pbj]

Meh you know my paypal address.  I don't judge.

[PL1]

I don't judge.

Epic self-awareness fail.   

One of the things that defines you is your willingness to pass judgement.  (BTW, I'm not saying that that's necessarily a bad thing.)

My first BYOAC post chided you about being judgemental -- turned out your BS meter called that one right.   


Scott

[Le Chuck]

I don't judge.

Epic self-awareness fail.   

One of the things that defines you is your willingness to pass judgement.  (BTW, I'm not saying that that's necessarily a bad thing.)

My first BYOAC post chided you about being judgemental -- turned out your BS meter called that one right.   


Scott

In PBJ's defense his BS meter is batting well over 500 and might even be in the 9s. 

[Howard_Casto]

pbj's BS levels are off the charts, if he lived in the DBZ universe meters would explode off of people's eyes as he walked by. 

[PL1]

In PBJ's defense his BS meter is batting well over 500 and might even be in the 9s.

I wasn't questioning his BS meter, just the lack of self-awareness in the "I don't judge" statement.

By definition, having a good BS meter involves being able to judge (in the good sense) the difference between correct and incorrect information.

pbj's BS levels are off the charts, if he lived in the DBZ universe meters would explode off of people's eyes as he walked by. 

   


Scott