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Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« on: September 23, 2009, 08:18:36 pm »
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/102/1026410p1.html

Its good, really.

Usually the screenies on IGN look better than gameplay but in this case the game is far better.

I will say this, a large HDTV is prob a requirement....
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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 01:05:52 am »

I will say this, a large HGTV is prob a requirement....

Someone's been watching some home and garden channel huh?  Looking to add some shrubbery around the backyard patio?  A nice shrubbery I hope, and one thats not too expensive.....

Which reminds me of this great scene......

Runaway!  Runaway!

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Oh yea, and the Xbox pinball looks pretty cool, although I dont like all that moving around but I assume you could turn that feature off.  Looks better than VP anyway.

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2009, 10:14:14 pm »
Did I really type HGTV......Saint did that to me I bet :-) Oh well I fixed it.

I get a chair from my office & sit so close to a 60" to the point my feet rest sideways on the TV stand & play that game.

Its epic, really cool.

I can talk to my brother about your windows drama this weekend, Chuck has probs with one of his machines & my bro pulled all the good stuff from his HD to mine for preservation purposes   :angel:
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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2009, 10:42:10 am »
I always wished these games had a full screen vertical rotated view, for use as a virtual pin or the like.  The physics feel better to me than they do on VPin and Future Pinball.



I asked about this at E3 and Crave told me that they hadn't considered that people may do that with the product. I told them that it's a pretty common thing and they had one of the developers ask me exactly what I was getting at. They then said that they'd consider patching that functionality in down the line if there's truly enough buzz about it.
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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2009, 12:37:54 pm »
I have got this for my XBOX360 and it looks very good and plays pretty good too.  Now if they would only make a Pinball Hall of Fame Bally's Collection with Theatre of Magic and Adams Family which are two of my all time favorite pins.
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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2009, 01:05:01 pm »
I have got this for my XBOX360 and it looks very good and plays pretty good too.  Now if they would only make a Pinball Hall of Fame Bally's Collection with Theatre of Magic and Adams Family which are two of my all time favorite pins.

Don't expect to see stuff like Addams Family due to licensing issues. I'm sure Indiana Jones would have made the cut in this collection, but licenses on that stuff didn't extend beyond the initial run of games.
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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 01:11:59 pm »
I asked about this at E3 and Crave told me that they hadn't considered that people may do that with the product. I told them that it's a pretty common thing and they had one of the developers ask me exactly what I was getting at. They then said that they'd consider patching that functionality in down the line if there's truly enough buzz about it.

It would be great if there was someone to contact to express interest. I can think of at least a couple hundred people that would buy this game soley because it offered full screen vertical view.

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 08:20:08 pm »
FYI...I am #18 worldwide on the leader boards right now in Black Knight.

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2009, 09:57:36 pm »
I have this on PSP (10 tables) and on PS2 (8 tables).  The 360 and PS3 version has 13 tables so I want it.  Not to mention the high quality visuals.  I'm getting a 360 in a couple of weeks and this will be my first game for it.

Assuming the game play and physics remains the same as the PSP and PS2 versions, it will be a GREAT game.  On a side note, you asking about vertical control.  The PSP version DOES allow you to rotate the screen 90' but the control is pretty horrible holding your PSP sideways. :X

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2009, 08:04:58 pm »
I've been playing the game for the last week.  Very fun and addicting.  Visuals are really good. 
Rotating display would be awesome, but I'm not holding my breath for an update.  One of the neatest parts of the game is the option that teaches you how to play the tables to get the bonuses (step by step).  Makes a pin much more enjoysable if you know what to do  :dizzy:   Must buy for any pinhead.

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2009, 10:09:19 pm »
I really wish that pinball hadn't died in most places, cause I'd love to take my PSP with The Williams Collection and see how the game and the real deal tables compare in a side by side comparison.

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2009, 11:19:50 pm »
I suspect someone is cheating at this game.  I was looking at the leader boards, happy with my 335th place on them with Taxi.  (I'm no wizard, but I think that means I'm decent.

I scrolled to the TOP of the Taxi leader boards and found an interesting jump between third and second place.

#3 is 34 million points.
#2 is 48 million points.
#1 is 1.99 billion points.  Billion, with a B.

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2009, 03:03:05 am »
well i tryed to like eerm download it for my pal xbox 360 but no go crap

the stupid game is region locked hopefully they will release a pal version so i can just go and buy it
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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2009, 10:59:51 am »
I suspect someone is cheating at this game.  I was looking at the leader boards, happy with my 335th place on them with Taxi.  (I'm no wizard, but I think that means I'm decent.

I scrolled to the TOP of the Taxi leader boards and found an interesting jump between third and second place.

#3 is 34 million points.
#2 is 48 million points.
#1 is 1.99 billion points.  Billion, with a B.

I doubt they were cheating. Sometimes I swear that Jedi do exist, and they spend their time on Xbox Live.
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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2009, 12:14:49 pm »
Okay, I do have to admit one thing.  Apparently being part of the 'Recreational' zone I only see leader boards of other people in my zone.

So it is entirely possible that there are people WAY more skilled in the other 3 (Or is it 4) zones that catagorize players and his score is in tune with them.  But I'm just highly suspicious as his score is just so absurdly high in comparison to #2 and #3.

Taxi also, in my experience isn't one of those tables where, once you start scoring big, you score insanely big.  Not like say Medieval Madness where once you start scoring some good stuff, the game basicly pays off like a slot machine.  Hell my highest score in MM is 48 million, but the highest bonus for knocking down the last castle is 50 million on it's own.  But Taxi is a fair bit older and not really like that.

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2009, 04:57:34 pm »
So I have all 13 tables unlocked and all are unlocked to freeplay mode.  They really shoulda figured out more use for this token system, cause I have 580+ tokens now and I keep getting more, but there's nothing they're good for now! @_@

200 of said tokens alone come from a 14hr non-stop stint of PHOF running at an anime convention gaming room.

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2009, 09:58:02 pm »
It'd be great if they would also patch in a way to map the controls.

Launching the ball with the analog stick makes it useless in my 360 cab, which is honestly the only way I will ever play it. :(



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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2009, 01:19:30 am »
versapak you would only play this in some cabinet?

Dude, trust me sitting on a couch with your feet up looking at a massive TV is acceptable.
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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2009, 09:18:47 am »
versapak you would only play this in some cabinet?

Dude, trust me sitting on a couch with your feet up looking at a massive TV is acceptable.


I dunno. These kinds of games are just far more likely to be played by me in the arcade environment. Something about sitting on the sofa playing pinball has just never worked for me.


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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2009, 11:51:22 am »
Unless your cab has an accelerometer setup, it'd be tricky to effectively impliment the nudge done by the left analog stick on a cab I think.

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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2009, 12:23:11 pm »
Unless your cab has an accelerometer setup, it'd be tricky to effectively impliment the nudge done by the left analog stick on a cab I think.

 :dunno

I don't ever nudge or bump pinball tables anyway.

It may keep me from ever reaching greatness, but it is just something I never utilize.



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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2009, 08:20:51 pm »
So, pinball, with true arcade feel... With an upright video game cab and no ability to nudge?  That's hardly 'arcade' in reguards to 'pinball'. :P

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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2009, 08:51:49 pm »
So, pinball, with true arcade feel... With an upright video game cab and no ability to nudge?  That's hardly 'arcade' in reguards to 'pinball'. :P

I don't nudge real tables either. :P

It is still far more arcade than sitting on my sofa with a regular gamepad in my hand though. My kids and I all around the cab taking our turns is far more satisfying.

Whatever though. Williams is unplayable that way, and I was just voicing that it would be great if it was. I have too many other games that occupy my sofa time. ;D





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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2009, 06:43:03 pm »
I suspect someone is cheating at this game.  I was looking at the leader boards, happy with my 335th place on them with Taxi.  (I'm no wizard, but I think that means I'm decent.

I scrolled to the TOP of the Taxi leader boards and found an interesting jump between third and second place.

#3 is 34 million points.
#2 is 48 million points.
#1 is 1.99 billion points.  Billion, with a B.

I don't know if you consider this cheating, but once you complete the Wizard level table goals, you unlock the option to turn off Tilt.  These scores still count on the leaderboards.  On the developer's Facebook page, they said they considered not letting these scores count, but figured that it takes a lot of skill to unlock the option and the player should be rewarded by letting their scores count.  I wish they had separate leaderboards myself.

As for the game itself, I love it.  I'm disappointed I didn't realize how cool pinball machines were back in the day and just ignored them most of the time.  I did play them now and again, but not enough to know about lane changing, how to obtain the multipliers and multi-balls, etc.  I thought it was just random reaction timing with pinball.  A major missed opportunity on my part. 

I hope there a lot more releases like this, I'll be snagging them up. 

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2009, 06:48:38 pm »
Hopefully there are downloads in the future.... maybe AFM, IJ, WW or a few more oldies.

I doubt it tho because the game has a few glitches that makes me think they decided to just release it & let it be. The sound has some cracks or scratches inbetween bytes, the "tips" only flash for 0.75 seconds during a load, you cant page up or go to the top of the leaderboards & blah blah blah.

Its still cool though.
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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2009, 06:56:53 pm »
Yeah, that "tips" thing drives me nuts.  It's be nice to be able to read them.  I think it's because this is an update of the previous Xbox game where loading times were longer.  They upped the graphics and added 3 tables, and didn't worry about the little presentation stuff.  Just a guess on my part though. 

I did hear that Monster Mash almost made it into this game, but licensing wasn't done fast enough.  I have a feeling we'll be seeing that one in DLC. 

The only Williams table I'm familiar with is High Speed, so I'd like to see that someday. 

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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2009, 10:01:13 pm »
PHOF has had table additions with each release.  The PS2 port featured only 8 tables, the Wii/PSP port featured 10 tables and now 360 and PS3 are featuring 13 tables.  Clearly they have the means to get more tables and include them and now they are on platforms that offer DLC options.  The game has been successful enough, even as a value title to get re-releases so they could work on some DLC to offer up additional tables.  At $39.99 it only costs $3.08 per table in the game.  Meanwhile they could bring in $5 per additional table as DLC.  It certianly seems possible.

I actually emailed Farsight studios, just to report a couple of bugs.  One being the VGA aspect ratio issue and also that the ingame 'turn off vibration' option does... Squat.  It doesn't turn off the vibration, you have to do it in the Dashboard instead.  I said I loved the game and we used it for public gaming events and I asked if they hat intentions on doing DLC.  The PRESIDENT of the company responded to me, said that  MS offers litte support or info with the VGA cable to devs and admitted they didn't test it, he also said they'd look into the bugs if they issued a patch.  Strangely he didn't mention a word on DLC.  If they had no intentions of DLC, you'd think he'd deny it?  So they could be looking into it.

But I have to admit, the game has some weaknesses.  One being that they didn't work on the table lighting for the PS3/360 ports.  The light shows come off as pretty lackluster on tables like Medieval madness.

If anyone is interested also, I sent them a fan letter over the PSP port over a year ago, even appologising for pirating it because no store in Canada carried it, not even Amazon.ca, but said we did buy two ligit copies from Amazon.com of the PS2 port for gaming events.  On the topic of additional tables then, the VP of Farsight said the following:

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Thank you very much for your email.  Weíll definitely be working on more pinball titles.  Nothing has been announced, so I canít say what weíre working on right now.
 
Hopefully, there will be another full collection or two as well.  Iím sorry our publisher isnít distributing the game very strongly north of the border as of yet.
 
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This is from July 2008, but it's apparent that they are looking into options beyond Williams and maybe entire new collections.  Which, agian, with DLC in the modern age, we might just see expansion of Williams tables? :)  With the Williams lisence, they should have permission to use Bally tables too.  Maybe we'll see Pinball Hall Of Fame: The Bally Collection?

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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2009, 10:24:24 pm »
Oh, I can see it now - MS will somehow piss off the developer with their certification process and the PS3 will be the only way to get DLC, which will force me to repurchase the game since I bought it for my 360. 

That's cool that you got a reply from the developer.  I might try an e-mail myself.  Anything to let them know this game has a decent following.

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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2009, 10:33:54 pm »
Email Farsight Studios, not Crave, since Crave just published it.  postmaster@farsightstudios.com seems to get you somewhere, I got a respones from the president the other week after emailing that address.

Press them on the DLC topic, tell'em you'd pay good money for some Attack From Mars. :D

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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2009, 10:47:40 pm »
Thanks for the address.

And I'll probably include your request, pinballjim, verbatim.

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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2009, 11:52:04 pm »
Well, the PSP version has rotation but it sucks.  Control sucks sideways, the game doens't remember your camera settings so it's not at the right topdown view and also it returns to normal display once you exit the pinball table.  So all menus are done right ways, only the table is rotated.


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« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2009, 12:16:29 am »
While I couldn't play on the small PSP screen, those are some nice screenshots.  I'm amazed at far we've come.  I remember when I wanted a Sega Game Gear and how amazing I thought the graphics were.

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2009, 12:38:16 am »
If you ask me, some pinball while waiting for the bus is pretty awesome actually. :)

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2009, 12:50:17 am »
Doesn't sound bad at all.

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2009, 08:23:32 pm »
Where's this developer facebook?  I can't find one for Crave or Farsight.

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2009, 11:28:25 pm »
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?ref=tn#/phofwilliams

Hopefully this link works, but if not their page is entitled:  Pinball Hall of Fame:  The Williams Collection.  Not after Crave or Farsight.

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2009, 01:02:36 pm »
Here's the review I did for Kombo.com: http://360.kombo.com/article.php?artid=17535

The game is just awesome.
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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2009, 01:51:16 pm »
Nice review, Jeff. 

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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2010, 04:23:21 pm »
My kids gave me this game (for the Xbox) over the holidays. Here's my quick thoughts. By the way, I've played all the games for real (including the EM).

  • The graphics are great but require a large HD display to read the actual playfield text.
  • Sound is dead on perfect.
  • Ball dynamics are the best of any virtual pin software I've played, but still nowhere close to the real thing.
  • There's no mode to allow you to manually scroll around the playfield. I don't see why this was omitted? Unless Iím missing it somehow?
  • The games are just too easy or too hard. For example, Black Night (a difficult game to master in real life) is ridiculously easy. Pinbot (easy in real life) is very hard. In general, most of the games are too easy. But that's the problem with virtual pinball - no matter how good the simulated ball dynamics are, you still have a very limited set of vectors.
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Re: Pinball on Xbox360 - Williams Hall of Fame
« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2010, 09:46:37 pm »
True, BK is a multiball tramp.

I like it a lot tho, there is something to be said for the personal objective of maintaining 3 ball @ all times to feel successful.

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