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Author Topic: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!  (Read 27252 times)

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2014, 03:01:45 pm »
Wow, good job.  You did Namco's job for them, completely free of charge, and have accomplished nothing. 

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Sure he accomplished something - he settled the question on whether or not the boards are legal. According to NAMCO, they're not.  >:D
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2014, 03:04:41 pm »
And if anything, it gives us something to talk about over lunch.

(and shows us who has the Namco hookup  ;))

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2014, 03:12:57 pm »
Quite possible. But it would be most likely that SAMs club would by buying these from an American vendor, which they would have some sort of legal indemnification with.  They would be the company importing the games from overseas via another manufacture or subsidiary. So if anyone got sued it would be the vendor, which in this case could be a tiny shell company that no one would get a dime from anyways. They could name SC in it as well, but mind you this is all gross speculation.

Seems you are probably correct based on :
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For additional questions or concerns regarding this product, please contact the Manufacturer's Customer Service Department at 1.949.381.7367

and that number is listed to : Creative Outdoor Distributors Usa I
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Creative Outdoor Distributors Usa I imports from Yancheng Novelty Electronic Co.,ltd in China through the port of Long Beach, California
That's some fine police work Lou.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2014, 03:15:10 pm »
Maybe now Namco's crack team of lawyers can go after ebay, Amazon, NewEgg, archive.org.....

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2014, 03:22:13 pm »
Maybe now Namco's crack team of lawyers can go after ebay, Amazon, NewEgg, archive.org.....

 :cheers:

Well, if they want to protect their copyright, that's up to them.
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2014, 03:30:09 pm »
My wife used to be a buyer for a retail company. Trust me when I say that there is very little done to research the products being sold. There are a number of "Officially licensed" product that she put on the shelf that she is pretty sure were not official or licensed at all. It is a simple enough process. If the buyer likes it, and the analyst sees value in it, it goes on the shelf. If the product ends up causing problems, the manufacturer takes the heat, because the contracts cover misrepresentation of a product.

Why else do you think that so many poisonous dog toys made it to US shelves a few years ago? If the retailer actually cared, they would have had these things all tested before putting it on the shelf.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2014, 03:47:26 pm »
This whole this is actually kind of eye opening in that it's starting to bring me a clear idea in the differences of how things are run south of the boarder.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2014, 03:51:54 pm »
This whole this is actually kind of eye opening in that it's starting to bring me a clear idea in the differences of how things are run south of the boarder.

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Mexico?
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2014, 03:52:21 pm »
Dammit, now I want Taco Bell!  :laugh2:

In reality, there are a ton of great foreign manufacturers. In China included. There are also more than enough horrid ones, and they surface when low price becomes the priority. Retailers care about price.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2014, 03:59:17 pm »
Dammit, now I want Taco Bell!  :laugh2:

In reality, there are a ton of great foreign manufacturers. In China included. There are also more than enough horrid ones, and they surface when low price becomes the priority. Retailers care about price.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the importer who SC is buying these from will mysteriously "evaporate" once Namco's lawyers start sniffing around.
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2014, 04:03:01 pm »
This whole this is actually kind of eye opening in that it's starting to bring me a clear idea in the differences of how things are run south of the boarder.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Mexico?

No, South of the 49th.  ::)

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2014, 11:40:01 pm »
This whole this is actually kind of eye opening in that it's starting to bring me a clear idea in the differences of how things are run south of the boarder.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Mexico?

No, South of the 49th.  ::)

South of the 49th state?  You mean in Canada??

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2014, 12:46:58 am »
Canada is the 49th state????!1!!?!?!


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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2014, 01:25:16 am »
Parallel. The 49th Para... Oh just forget it

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2014, 06:43:26 am »
Years ago sams club sold standup cabs.
I thought they were really cool until I found out they just had a ps2 in them and came with the arcade classics discs.

I really didn't know much about Mame or arcade machines but a cabinet with a ps2 for $1200 I think seemed lame to me at the time.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2014, 06:55:47 am »
Parallel. The 49th Para... Oh just forget it

 ::)

Haha

Oh Canadian humor.  You so silly.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2014, 10:49:40 am »
Keep in mind that SAMs is just WalMart's version of Costco, and WalMart has never been afraid to use Chinese knockoffs to blatently rip off patented or copyrighted products.  Just look at Rubbermaid.. Walmart used to sell Rubbermaid products, and signed an exclusivity agreement with them so that all sales of Rubbermaid in the U.S. had to go through WalMart.  It was the price they had to pay to get on the shelves of the biggest retailer in the U.S.  But after they had this agreement, WalMart took the design to China, had them reproduced nearly identically at a fraction of the cost, then dropped the Rubbermaid brand and continued to sell their own Chinese knockoffs in place of them.  Rubbermaid no longer had any retailers in the U.S. when they got dropped, and now the biggest retailer in the U.S. was selling an identical product for less than they could profitably sell their own product, and it drove them into bankruptcy.  Then in a stroke of genius (or pure evil), WalMart swooped in and bought the company out for pennies on the dollar.  Now they owned the Rubbermaid brand name so they shut down the company's manufacturing and started printing the Rubbermaid logo on their Chinese manufactured versions, and have made a killing ever since.  Rubbermaid never had the resources to sue WalMart for the patent infringement before going under.

Aside from sending a letter to WalMart to say "this is an illegal product, we want you to pull it", I doubt much more will happen from this.  It is far more costly to launch a legal battle against WalMart to try to recoup a few thousand dollars in licensing fees than to just let it go and pretend it isn't happening, particularly when your product is already widely available for free on thousands of websites throughout the world. 

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2014, 11:06:55 am »
Then in a stroke of genius (or pure evil), WalMart swooped in and bought the company out for pennies on the dollar.  Now they owned the Rubbermaid brand name so they shut down the company's manufacturing and started printing the Rubbermaid logo on their Chinese manufactured versions, and have made a killing ever since.  Rubbermaid never had the resources to sue WalMart for the patent infringement before going under.

Might want to go reread that Wikipedia page.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2014, 11:10:56 am »
I didnt even go to the wikipedia page and I knew what he typed wasnt accurate.
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2014, 11:22:41 am »
Yeah, you guys beat me to it. The contract part is true, but that is it. Rubbermaid was stupid for signing an exclusivity contract on top of a janky ass pricing contract and paid the price. I hate to use a tired adage, but they were blinded by greed. (That or they had the world's worst legal counsel) I don't know what else would posses a company to decide to to hand the keys of all their sales and pricing entirely over to one retailer.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2014, 11:39:41 am »
From USA Today:

"History has shown that suppliers suffer if they run afoul of Wal-Mart. Rubbermaid raised the prices it charged Wal-Mart in the mid-1990s because of an 80% jump in the cost of a key ingredient in its plastic containers. The retailer responded by giving more shelf space to lower-priced competitors, helping drive Rubbermaid into a 1999 merger with rival Newell, says John Mariotti, a former Rubbermaid executive. "Rubbermaid earned Wal-Mart's wrath by not giving it the best deal," he says."

Wal-Mart doesn't own Rubbermaid.
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2014, 11:56:09 am »
From USA Today:

"History has shown that suppliers suffer if they run afoul of Wal-Mart. Rubbermaid raised the prices it charged Wal-Mart in the mid-1990s because of an 80% jump in the cost of a key ingredient in its plastic containers. The retailer responded by giving more shelf space to lower-priced competitors, helping drive Rubbermaid into a 1999 merger with rival Newell, says John Mariotti, a former Rubbermaid executive. "Rubbermaid earned Wal-Mart's wrath by not giving it the best deal," he says."

Wal-Mart doesn't own Rubbermaid.

^+1 It is still a part of Newell Rubbermaid along with many other brand names shown below :

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2014, 12:20:44 pm »
so back to the original topic.. I agree to much. but One part of a cocktail i have always wondered about was the glass top, where are you guys getting this? I can get square glass cut, but round edge (and not window pane thick), this i have no idea on where to get.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2014, 12:26:04 pm »
so back to the original topic.. I agree to much. but One part of a cocktail i have always wondered about was the glass top, where are you guys getting this? I can get square glass cut, but round edge (and not window pane thick), this i have no idea on where to get.

You can find it on eBay if you have a Midway cocktail.
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #64 on: November 13, 2014, 12:32:13 pm »
so back to the original topic.. I agree to much. but One part of a cocktail i have always wondered about was the glass top, where are you guys getting this? I can get square glass cut, but round edge (and not window pane thick), this i have no idea on where to get.

There is a thread HERE ( http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134794.msg1390793.html#msg1390793 ) that discusses a couple places to get the glass and has an invoice showing what type to ask for that might help :


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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #65 on: November 13, 2014, 12:41:43 pm »
so back to the original topic.. I agree to much. but One part of a cocktail i have always wondered about was the glass top, where are you guys getting this? I can get square glass cut, but round edge (and not window pane thick), this i have no idea on where to get.

For a custom job, this might be an option. I haven't got any practical time using this, but I have purchased one of these for custom glass cutting. They were demoing it at the state fair. I wouldn't have bought it, but the guy let me cut at much as I wanted to test the product out, and I was able to get some smooth curve cuts on thicker and tempered glass. I'd assume you can just make a curve cut to your needs and torch or buff the edges smooth.



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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #66 on: November 13, 2014, 01:55:26 pm »
For a custom job, this might be an option. I haven't got any practical time using this, but I have purchased one of these for custom glass cutting. They were demoing it at the state fair. I wouldn't have bought it, but the guy let me cut at much as I wanted to test the product out, and I was able to get some smooth curve cuts on thicker and tempered glass. I'd assume you can just make a curve cut to your needs and torch or buff the edges smooth.

Nifty tool, but nothing groundbreaking.  It essentially combines two tools used in the trade.  The cutter and the breaking pliers. Having the individual tools is actually better, as you can see the cutting wheel more easily.

The secret to cutting glass is pretty simple (I've literally cut tons of the stuff in a previous occupation).  A smooth, uninterrupted score (thus the need to oil the wheel), even pressure on the pliers (don't try to snap the glass, just increase pressure until it breaks on it's own) and on a non-straight line, radii which are compatible with the thickness of the material.  I.e. curves can be tighter in thinner material.  Oh, and a lot of practice.

He should also be wearing gloves :)

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« Reply #67 on: November 13, 2014, 02:25:58 pm »
and just that quick a ton of answers to something that has stumped me for awhile.

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« Reply #68 on: November 13, 2014, 03:15:16 pm »
Nifty tool, but nothing groundbreaking.

Of course it's not groundbreaking.  It's supposed to snap glass into funny shapes, not break ground.  You're looking for a "shovel", friend.

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« Reply #70 on: November 13, 2014, 04:40:34 pm »
Let us not forget the MAME team for making this all happen for the 60 in 1 crowd. Well done!  :applaud:
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« Reply #71 on: November 13, 2014, 05:32:33 pm »
I didn't read about it on the internet, I was just recalling the story from years ago.  I first heard about it at a business meeting where the ideas behind it were discussed, and even if the facts I recalled aren't totally accurate, the gist of it is still the same:  WalMart got Chinese knockoffs made of the product that looked identical short of the logo, and then marketed them as if they were the brand name, and used their selling power to bury the original company.  They had no qualms about getting some low tier Chinese manufacturer to make a nearly identical version of the product line and I remember someone telling me that the brand name they were putting on it was something similar, but I don't recall the name. 

Rubbermaid was bought out after Walmart destroyed them, for a fraction of the original value of the company, although they play it off as "they merged".  Within 3 years, 850 employees at the original plant in the U.S. were jobless and the whole works is manufactured in China now with distribution by the holding company.  From what I heard, which may only be speculation, the knockoff company Walmart had commissioned to make the knockoffs is now manufacturing for the new company.  And there is no doubt in my mind that Walmart financed the deal for the Newell company to buy out Rubbermaid.  They might not have bought them out outright, but they sure as hell had a major hand in it.

Honestly, the reason I even remember the story at all is because after this became news, my own company found one of these Chinese companies who will take any product you give them and produce it for far cheaper and with the same or better quality than the U.S. manufacturer did it.  They don't even care about casting the products directly from the original.  We sent them a product that is manufactured in the U.S. and within a few months we had samples we could choose from.  One was an identical knockoff, and the others had various modifications from basic cosmetic changes to some improvements in the internals.  We passed around the identical knockoff, and aside from the branding, it was hard to tell which was real and which was the fake.  If we had chosen to buy the knockoffs, we only had to commit to so many and we could have told anyone interested that we found another manufacturer who was selling it for cheaper, just as Walmart did.

Is it illegal to do that?  I imagine it is, but how do you prove that Walmart sent the stuff to specifically have it cloned when thousands of brands are already cloned in China and available to buy in the U.S.  Why do you think the owners of the rights to all these arcade games aren't raking it in from lawsuits for all the 60in1 boards?  It is because suing a Chinese company for copyright is difficult and expensive and in the end you won't see a dime and the moment you DO win and get one company to stop making and selling them, two more will pop up and start selling them.   

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #72 on: November 13, 2014, 06:01:16 pm »

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« Reply #73 on: November 13, 2014, 06:09:18 pm »
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The Game Machine is fully assembled and secured on pallet to unsure no breakage during transit.
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #74 on: November 14, 2014, 09:14:42 am »
Has anyone seen one of these at a SAM's Club?
The site tells me to contact the two stores near me but, I really got better things to do than call up SAM's club to see if they got something i'll never buy. :)
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2014, 10:35:16 am »
Has anyone taken a good look at the pictures at Sam's?  It looks to me like the coin slot thing is crooked within the panel. 

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #76 on: November 14, 2014, 10:38:30 am »
Has anyone taken a good look at the pictures at Sam's?  It looks to me like the coin slot thing is crooked within the panel.

Yeah, I noticed that, too. But for only $1000, what do you expect?
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #77 on: November 14, 2014, 10:51:18 am »
lol I saw that too, but figured the coin return part is probably offset from where it goes in, so they just angled it to make the slots line up instead of having the return 1/2" to the left of the input slot.. Ultimarc sells a similar coin slot..  Theirs looks crooked too, although it is hard to tell in the pic on their site because it is taken at an angle, not head on. 

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #78 on: November 14, 2014, 10:51:34 am »
But the stools look great!

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #79 on: November 14, 2014, 11:34:58 am »
Does anyone know whether or not they properly gave Malenko credit for the idea of drilling 4 holes through a board?

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