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Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« on: November 07, 2014, 01:53:08 pm »
http://bfads.net/Black-Friday/Sams-Club/Ad?page=11#viewer

http://bfads.net/Item/Sams-Club-Black-Friday-Arcade-Table-System/214505

$999 and it comes with two chrome stools for it.

It has Frogger, Space Invaders, Pacman, Galaga, and Paperboy show cased on the top, but there is no game list. I know this might be old hat to you guys, but I just think that it is pretty cool that you can get one on Black Friday from a major store.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2014, 03:03:35 pm »
http://bfads.net/Black-Friday/Sams-Club/Ad?page=11#viewer

http://bfads.net/Item/Sams-Club-Black-Friday-Arcade-Table-System/214505

$999 and it comes with two chrome stools for it.

It has Frogger, Space Invaders, Pacman, Galaga, and Paperboy show cased on the top, but there is no game list. I know this might be old hat to you guys, but I just think that it is pretty cool that you can get one on Black Friday from a major store.

That's not Paperboy, that's Donkey Kong.

And it's "cool" until the buyers flood Craigslist with them for $2000 (a great deal!!!!!!).
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2014, 03:17:23 pm »
My bad. That definitely is DK there.


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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2014, 03:35:35 pm »
My bad. That definitely is DK there.

I could see how you might have thought it was Paperboy. It's pretty fuzzy.  :cheers:

I wouldn't mind a price for just the stools, though.
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2014, 04:49:22 pm »
I'd be really surprised if Donkey Kong is on that thing.  Never say never but I don't think that's ever been on a legal multiboard with games from other manufacturers.



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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2014, 05:07:15 pm »
THAT is a supremely fuzzy picture.  And if I had to guess it would definitely be Pac Man.  And Im sorry Yots but that thing, even with the stools is not worth $1000.00. 

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2014, 05:12:43 pm »
And Im sorry Yots but that thing, even with the stools is not worth $1000.00.

I agree.

I wouldn't mind a price for just the stools, though.

I wanted a price for JUST THE STOOLS.  :cheers:
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2014, 10:33:59 pm »
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2014, 11:06:45 pm »
So, what would be a fair price for it? $299?

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2014, 07:40:05 am »
So, what would be a fair price for it? $299?

 :laugh2:

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2014, 09:24:11 am »
Only interesting thing here is going to be seeing if any of the copyright holders winds up suing -- As it looks to be another cocktail using one of the chinese xx in 1 knock offs - so doubtful the company making them for Sam's Club actually has any licensing agreement for the use of the roms so will be interesting to see if any of the "Legal" copyright holders comes forward to stop it or threaten a suit if they don't get their cut of the proceeds.

Figure it's one thing when individuals are making a few units for local sales in their garage using the 60 in 1's etc. but once a nation wide retailer gets involved with some $'s behind them that might be worth going after, it might just wake the copyright holders up.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2014, 09:36:41 am »
Don't know why you guys have such a justice boner for those 60 in 1s.  You can order them anywhere, nothing will happen to anyone over them.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2014, 07:42:03 pm »
I agree, I don't think anyone in a purchasing department for a company as large as Sam's Club is dumb enough to put something that comes with legal baggage on to their assortment.  Before a product makes it on to a store shelf, especially something that's a door crasher, it has to be approved and had eyes on it from many different people. If there was a question of legality it wouldn't have made it past their compliance team.

...and if for some reason I'm wrong and a bunch of people looked past this then SC has a horrible retail back end and deserves to be sued into the ground.

Also, what are the cost of those stools!?

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2014, 07:59:21 pm »
Also, what are the cost of those stools!?

As far as Yots is concern they are worth $1000.00.   >:D

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2014, 08:07:09 pm »
Also, what are the cost of those stools!?

As far as Yots is concern they are worth $1000.00.   >:D

Why do you keep saying that? Ok, let me rephrase what I am trying to say:

I wouldn't mind seeing what the price would be for just the stools.

I think you think I meant:

I wouldn't mind that price for just the stools.

...which isn't want I said.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2014, 08:09:07 pm »
No seriously, what is SC charging for JUST a pair of stools? Are they 25/30 each?


Pffff, forget it.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2014, 02:30:43 pm »
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2014, 02:50:10 pm »
I agree, I don't think anyone in a purchasing department for a company as large as Sam's Club is dumb enough to put something that comes with legal baggage on to their assortment.  Before a product makes it on to a store shelf, especially something that's a door crasher, it has to be approved and had eyes on it from many different people. If there was a question of legality it wouldn't have made it past their compliance team.

...and if for some reason I'm wrong and a bunch of people looked past this then SC has a horrible retail back end and deserves to be sued into the ground.

Also, what are the cost of those stools!?

Well from the new description it is assembled in CHINA and is using a 60 in 1 according to the game list ( so doubtful they arranged licensing rights from all of those companies )

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Games included are:

1942, 1943, 1943 Kai, Amidar, Arkanoid, Bomb Jack, Burger Time, Centipede, Congo Bongo, Crush Roller, Dig Dug, Dig Dug 2, Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong 3, Donkey Kong Jr, Frogger, Galaga, Galaga 2, Galaga 3, Galaxian, Gun Smoke, Gyruss, Hustler, Jr Pacman 2, Jr. Pacman, Jumping Jack, Juno First, King & Balloon, Ladybug, Mappy, Millipede, Moon Cresta, Mr.Do, Mr.Do's Castle, Ms Pacman 2, Ms.Pacman, New Rally X, Pacman, Pacman 2, Pac-Man Plus, Pacman Plus 2, Pengo, Phoenix, Pinball Action, Pleiads, Pooyan, Qix, Scramble, Shao-Lin's Road, Space Invaders, Space Panic, Super Breakout, Super Cobra, Super Pacman, Tank Battalion, The End, Time Pilot, Van-Van Car, Xevious, Zaxxon.

So if it is indeed completely "Legal" then the other 60 in 1's are also, so perhaps it is time to change the forum rules about linking to them as they must be legal to use !  :dunno
« Last Edit: November 09, 2014, 02:52:25 pm by JDFan »

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2014, 02:51:55 pm »
No, they're NOT technically legal. I'm sure whoever the buyer is just thought "Cool, these will sell" and that was the extent of it.
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2014, 03:09:04 pm »
I'm not sure if any of you are aware of what it really takes to get a product on a shelf in a company like this.

SC may be different how we do things, but usually a style needs to be approved by a couple people before it's put on a Purchase Order and shipped to a distribution center to be shipped to stores. This involves an analyst, Buyer, purchasing AVP, not to mention people in a vendor relations team, legal compliance, etc. One of those people (should) be smart enough not to let the company invest a large chunk of money of the season's buy on something that would be illegal to sell or that risks some kind of legal issue.

Companies of that size don't just have a guy running around spending their money to bring in products from vendors because they think they're cool. There's an Aproval process.  And if SC got this wrong it's gonna be quite funny.
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2014, 04:03:14 pm »
I'm aware of the process but also realize at times things get through and from the game list it includes games from Namco-Bandai, Capcom, Konami, Taito, Data East, ETC. so really doubtful they got distribution rights from them all (would be much more likely if it was one companies multi title compilation rather than the generic Chinese 60 in 1 lineup !) - so would tend to think someone messed up and\or took the manufacturing company at it's word on the subject. So like I said will be interesting to see if any of the companies involved actually try to stop the sales or if they no longer wish to assert their rights and allow the sale (since SC is a much larger retailer with deep enough pockets to pursue for damages.)
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2014, 04:22:18 pm »
Quite possible. But it would be most likely that SAMs club would by buying these from an American vendor, which they would have some sort of legal indemnification with.  They would be the company importing the games from overseas via another manufacture or subsidiary. So if anyone got sued it would be the vendor, which in this case could be a tiny shell company that no one would get a dime from anyways. They could name SC in it as well, but mind you this is all gross speculation.


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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2014, 05:04:13 pm »
Quite possible. But it would be most likely that SAMs club would by buying these from an American vendor, which they would have some sort of legal indemnification with.  They would be the company importing the games from overseas via another manufacture or subsidiary. So if anyone got sued it would be the vendor, which in this case could be a tiny shell company that no one would get a dime from anyways. They could name SC in it as well, but mind you this is all gross speculation.

Seems you are probably correct based on :
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For additional questions or concerns regarding this product, please contact the Manufacturer's Customer Service Department at 1.949.381.7367

and that number is listed to : Creative Outdoor Distributors Usa I
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Creative Outdoor Distributors Usa I imports from Yancheng Novelty Electronic Co.,ltd in China through the port of Long Beach, California

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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2014, 05:32:03 pm »
I agree, I don't think anyone in a purchasing department for a company as large as Sam's Club is dumb enough to put something that comes with legal baggage on to their assortment.  Before a product makes it on to a store shelf, especially something that's a door crasher, it has to be approved and had eyes on it from many different people. If there was a question of legality it wouldn't have made it past their compliance team.

...and if for some reason I'm wrong and a bunch of people looked past this then SC has a horrible retail back end and deserves to be sued into the ground.

Also, what are the cost of those stools!?

Well from the new description it is assembled in CHINA and is using a 60 in 1 according to the game list ( so doubtful they arranged licensing rights from all of those companies )

Quote
Games included are:

1942, 1943, 1943 Kai, Amidar, Arkanoid, Bomb Jack, Burger Time, Centipede, Congo Bongo, Crush Roller, Dig Dug, Dig Dug 2, Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong 3, Donkey Kong Jr, Frogger, Galaga, Galaga 2, Galaga 3, Galaxian, Gun Smoke, Gyruss, Hustler, Jr Pacman 2, Jr. Pacman, Jumping Jack, Juno First, King & Balloon, Ladybug, Mappy, Millipede, Moon Cresta, Mr.Do, Mr.Do's Castle, Ms Pacman 2, Ms.Pacman, New Rally X, Pacman, Pacman 2, Pac-Man Plus, Pacman Plus 2, Pengo, Phoenix, Pinball Action, Pleiads, Pooyan, Qix, Scramble, Shao-Lin's Road, Space Invaders, Space Panic, Super Breakout, Super Cobra, Super Pacman, Tank Battalion, The End, Time Pilot, Van-Van Car, Xevious, Zaxxon.

So if it is indeed completely "Legal" then the other 60 in 1's are also, so perhaps it is time to change the forum rules about linking to them as they must be legal to use !  :dunno

The Chinese manufacturers claim them to be legal and fully licensed, which is obviously BS, but enough to convince some suits who knows nothing about the games / emulation that they're fine for using in some overpriced piece of junk.  The fact they're using them should tell you enough about their quality standards for the rest of the thing, probably worth 75$, not 1000.  Cheap tat sold at 'luxury' prices.

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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2014, 02:06:20 pm »
@ ChanceKJ -- figured rather than keep arguing the point I went ahead and sent an E-mail to Namco Bandai's Frank Cosentino (VP of Product Strategy) - figuring he would know if Sams had indeed gotten distribution rights and just recevived the reply from him (attached below) : -- So looks like they were unaware and agree that these units are "illegal"

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« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2014, 02:09:12 pm »
@ ChanceKJ -- figured rather than keep arguing the point I went ahead and sent an E-mail to Namco Bandai's Frank Cosentino (VP of Product Strategy) - figuring he would know if Sams had indeed gotten distribution rights and just recevived the reply from him (attached below) : -- So looks like they were unaware and agree that these units are "illegal"

Were you "really" interested in purchasing one of those, or was that a part of your master plan to talk to someone at Namco.  >:D
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« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2014, 02:09:34 pm »
Oh, and BTW,  you're my hero.  :cheers:
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« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2014, 02:12:04 pm »
@ ChanceKJ -- figured rather than keep arguing the point I went ahead and sent an E-mail to Namco Bandai's Frank Cosentino (VP of Product Strategy) - figuring he would know if Sams had indeed gotten distribution rights and just recevived the reply from him (attached below) : -- So looks like they were unaware and agree that these units are "illegal"

Were you "really" interested in purchasing one of those, or was that a part of your master plan to talk to someone at Namco.  >:D

You're just pissed Yots because now you cant get your free arcade cabinet with the purchase of a pair of $1000.00 stools.   >:D

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« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2014, 02:16:52 pm »
You're just pissed Yots because now you cant get your free arcade cabinet with the purchase of a pair of $1000.00 stools.   >:D

--Smurfette--, please, I build my own stools and cabs!!!   >:D

Hey, I commended JDFan in the next post. I'm serious, that was well-played.
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« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2014, 02:26:02 pm »
You're just pissed Yots because now you cant get your free arcade cabinet with the purchase of a pair of $1000.00 stools.   >:D

--Smurfette--, please, I build my own stools and cabs!!!   >:D

Hey, I commended JDFan in the next post. I'm serious, that was well-played.

Just figured rather than go back and forth endlessly on whether it is "legal" to sell a cabinet built around a 60 in 1, it would be much easier to just ask someone that worked for the company that owns the rights to some of the games to put an end to the question once and for all - and figured with a larger retail outlet finally trying to sell them it was the best time to ask and actually get an answer.

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« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2014, 02:30:07 pm »
You're just pissed Yots because now you cant get your free arcade cabinet with the purchase of a pair of $1000.00 stools.   >:D

--Smurfette--, please, I build my own stools and cabs!!!   >:D

Hey, I commended JDFan in the next post. I'm serious, that was well-played.

Just figured rather than go back and forth endlessly on whether it is "legal" to sell a cabinet built around a 60 in 1, it would be much easier to just ask someone that worked for the company that owns the rights to some of the games to put an end to the question once and for all - and figured with a larger retail outlet finally trying to sell them it was the best time to ask and actually get an answer.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2014, 02:35:03 pm »
Holy Crap JD,  :laugh:

Good call, but i wonder how many people's Christmas's you just ruined? haha. But no seriously, i agree if its something like this then they (Namco) should be getting their cut.  I do stand corrected and i think its an epic fail on behalf of Sam's purchasing department.  Accidents happen, but this is just negligence.  Too bad we can't see what happens behind the closed door now that you have the ball rolling.

Yots' ...I'll be building my own stools for my cocktail project myself anyways. They won't match what i have in mind. i was being silly. ;D

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« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2014, 02:37:46 pm »
Too bad we can't see what happens behind the closed door now that you have the ball rolling.

Amen, brother. Definitely a "get your popcorn" event.

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Yeah, I might build my own cocktail stools, too. My test stool worked out fine, so the tweaked design will be applied to the smaller ones.
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« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2014, 02:42:18 pm »
Agreed.  Besides those stools were too "50's Malt shop" and have no place with a 70's arcade machine.

Hmmm, now you have me thinking stool design for my next project...


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« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2014, 02:45:23 pm »
Agreed.  Besides those stools were too "50's Malt shop" and have no place with a 70's arcade machine.

That reminds me, this weekend at a furniture store I saw these AWESOME barstools that looked straight out of the 70s, made of a medium-colored U-Shaped curved wood and shiny metal. You didn't sit on them so much as sit in them. One of them would look totally at home in front of a Computer Space or Pong.

Addendum: They kind of looked like this, but with more wood on the sides. Looked like the spiritual brother of a woody 2600.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2014, 02:46:26 pm »
See, thats when you buy them then jack the price up and sell them on the BYOAC.

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« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2014, 02:47:27 pm »
I'm not sure if any of you are aware of what it really takes to get a product on a shelf in a company like this.

SC may be different how we do things, but usually a style needs to be approved by a couple people before it's put on a Purchase Order and shipped to a distribution center to be shipped to stores. This involves an analyst, Buyer, purchasing AVP, not to mention people in a vendor relations team, legal compliance, etc. One of those people (should) be smart enough not to let the company invest a large chunk of money of the season's buy on something that would be illegal to sell or that risks some kind of legal issue.

Companies of that size don't just have a guy running around spending their money to bring in products from vendors because they think they're cool. There's an Aproval process.  And if SC got this wrong it's gonna be quite funny.

I agree with every thing above, except for the part where some one would know better. Things just slip past sometimes. Back in college I was a store level buyer at whole foods, I still have a good friend thats a regional buyer. I can't say exactly why, but I would have not been suppress if something like this happened. 
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« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2014, 02:49:38 pm »
I'm not sure if any of you are aware of what it really takes to get a product on a shelf in a company like this.

SC may be different how we do things, but usually a style needs to be approved by a couple people before it's put on a Purchase Order and shipped to a distribution center to be shipped to stores. This involves an analyst, Buyer, purchasing AVP, not to mention people in a vendor relations team, legal compliance, etc. One of those people (should) be smart enough not to let the company invest a large chunk of money of the season's buy on something that would be illegal to sell or that risks some kind of legal issue.

Companies of that size don't just have a guy running around spending their money to bring in products from vendors because they think they're cool. There's an Aproval process.  And if SC got this wrong it's gonna be quite funny.

I agree with every thing above, except for the part where some one would know better. Things just slip past sometimes. Back in college I was a store level buyer at whole foods, I still have a good friend thats a regional buyer. I can't say exactly why, but I would have not been suppress if something like this happened.

I bet the importer told the SC buyer that the boards were licensed, which they probably were - from the hacks who made the 60-in-1s. But that doesn't mean the content of said boards was, just the physical boards. Or some other crappy loophole like that. :cheers:
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« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2014, 02:55:50 pm »
I bet the importer told the SC buyer that the boards were licensed, which they probably were - from the hacks who made the 60-in-1s. But that doesn't mean the content of said boards was, just the physical boards. Or some other crappy loophole like that. :cheers:

Was probably something of that sorts or pointed out to the buyer the other sites selling those same boards at retail to show they were Legal to purchase so must be legal to use Since the GOVT was collecting their share  :laugh2: (Note : reference to 4 year old thread arguing this same point )

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« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2014, 02:59:00 pm »
Wow, good job.  You did Namco's job for them, completely free of charge, and have accomplished nothing. 

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« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2014, 03:01:45 pm »
Wow, good job.  You did Namco's job for them, completely free of charge, and have accomplished nothing. 

 :cheers:

Sure he accomplished something - he settled the question on whether or not the boards are legal. According to NAMCO, they're not.  >:D
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« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2014, 03:04:41 pm »
And if anything, it gives us something to talk about over lunch.

(and shows us who has the Namco hookup  ;))

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« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2014, 03:12:57 pm »
Quite possible. But it would be most likely that SAMs club would by buying these from an American vendor, which they would have some sort of legal indemnification with.  They would be the company importing the games from overseas via another manufacture or subsidiary. So if anyone got sued it would be the vendor, which in this case could be a tiny shell company that no one would get a dime from anyways. They could name SC in it as well, but mind you this is all gross speculation.

Seems you are probably correct based on :
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and that number is listed to : Creative Outdoor Distributors Usa I
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That's some fine police work Lou.

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« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2014, 03:15:10 pm »
Maybe now Namco's crack team of lawyers can go after ebay, Amazon, NewEgg, archive.org.....

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« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2014, 03:22:13 pm »
Maybe now Namco's crack team of lawyers can go after ebay, Amazon, NewEgg, archive.org.....

 :cheers:

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« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2014, 03:30:09 pm »
My wife used to be a buyer for a retail company. Trust me when I say that there is very little done to research the products being sold. There are a number of "Officially licensed" product that she put on the shelf that she is pretty sure were not official or licensed at all. It is a simple enough process. If the buyer likes it, and the analyst sees value in it, it goes on the shelf. If the product ends up causing problems, the manufacturer takes the heat, because the contracts cover misrepresentation of a product.

Why else do you think that so many poisonous dog toys made it to US shelves a few years ago? If the retailer actually cared, they would have had these things all tested before putting it on the shelf.

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« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2014, 03:47:26 pm »
This whole this is actually kind of eye opening in that it's starting to bring me a clear idea in the differences of how things are run south of the boarder.

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« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2014, 03:51:54 pm »
This whole this is actually kind of eye opening in that it's starting to bring me a clear idea in the differences of how things are run south of the boarder.

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Mexico?
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« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2014, 03:52:21 pm »
Dammit, now I want Taco Bell!  :laugh2:

In reality, there are a ton of great foreign manufacturers. In China included. There are also more than enough horrid ones, and they surface when low price becomes the priority. Retailers care about price.

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« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2014, 03:59:17 pm »
Dammit, now I want Taco Bell!  :laugh2:

In reality, there are a ton of great foreign manufacturers. In China included. There are also more than enough horrid ones, and they surface when low price becomes the priority. Retailers care about price.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the importer who SC is buying these from will mysteriously "evaporate" once Namco's lawyers start sniffing around.
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« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2014, 04:03:01 pm »
This whole this is actually kind of eye opening in that it's starting to bring me a clear idea in the differences of how things are run south of the boarder.

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Mexico?

No, South of the 49th.  ::)

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« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2014, 11:40:01 pm »
This whole this is actually kind of eye opening in that it's starting to bring me a clear idea in the differences of how things are run south of the boarder.

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Mexico?

No, South of the 49th.  ::)

South of the 49th state?  You mean in Canada??

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« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2014, 12:46:58 am »
Canada is the 49th state????!1!!?!?!


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« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2014, 01:25:16 am »
Parallel. The 49th Para... Oh just forget it

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« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2014, 06:43:26 am »
Years ago sams club sold standup cabs.
I thought they were really cool until I found out they just had a ps2 in them and came with the arcade classics discs.

I really didn't know much about Mame or arcade machines but a cabinet with a ps2 for $1200 I think seemed lame to me at the time.

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« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2014, 06:55:47 am »
Parallel. The 49th Para... Oh just forget it

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« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2014, 10:49:40 am »
Keep in mind that SAMs is just WalMart's version of Costco, and WalMart has never been afraid to use Chinese knockoffs to blatently rip off patented or copyrighted products.  Just look at Rubbermaid.. Walmart used to sell Rubbermaid products, and signed an exclusivity agreement with them so that all sales of Rubbermaid in the U.S. had to go through WalMart.  It was the price they had to pay to get on the shelves of the biggest retailer in the U.S.  But after they had this agreement, WalMart took the design to China, had them reproduced nearly identically at a fraction of the cost, then dropped the Rubbermaid brand and continued to sell their own Chinese knockoffs in place of them.  Rubbermaid no longer had any retailers in the U.S. when they got dropped, and now the biggest retailer in the U.S. was selling an identical product for less than they could profitably sell their own product, and it drove them into bankruptcy.  Then in a stroke of genius (or pure evil), WalMart swooped in and bought the company out for pennies on the dollar.  Now they owned the Rubbermaid brand name so they shut down the company's manufacturing and started printing the Rubbermaid logo on their Chinese manufactured versions, and have made a killing ever since.  Rubbermaid never had the resources to sue WalMart for the patent infringement before going under.

Aside from sending a letter to WalMart to say "this is an illegal product, we want you to pull it", I doubt much more will happen from this.  It is far more costly to launch a legal battle against WalMart to try to recoup a few thousand dollars in licensing fees than to just let it go and pretend it isn't happening, particularly when your product is already widely available for free on thousands of websites throughout the world. 

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« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2014, 11:06:55 am »
Then in a stroke of genius (or pure evil), WalMart swooped in and bought the company out for pennies on the dollar.  Now they owned the Rubbermaid brand name so they shut down the company's manufacturing and started printing the Rubbermaid logo on their Chinese manufactured versions, and have made a killing ever since.  Rubbermaid never had the resources to sue WalMart for the patent infringement before going under.

Might want to go reread that Wikipedia page.

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« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2014, 11:10:56 am »
I didnt even go to the wikipedia page and I knew what he typed wasnt accurate.
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« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2014, 11:22:41 am »
Yeah, you guys beat me to it. The contract part is true, but that is it. Rubbermaid was stupid for signing an exclusivity contract on top of a janky ass pricing contract and paid the price. I hate to use a tired adage, but they were blinded by greed. (That or they had the world's worst legal counsel) I don't know what else would posses a company to decide to to hand the keys of all their sales and pricing entirely over to one retailer.

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« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2014, 11:39:41 am »
From USA Today:

"History has shown that suppliers suffer if they run afoul of Wal-Mart. Rubbermaid raised the prices it charged Wal-Mart in the mid-1990s because of an 80% jump in the cost of a key ingredient in its plastic containers. The retailer responded by giving more shelf space to lower-priced competitors, helping drive Rubbermaid into a 1999 merger with rival Newell, says John Mariotti, a former Rubbermaid executive. "Rubbermaid earned Wal-Mart's wrath by not giving it the best deal," he says."

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« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2014, 11:56:09 am »
From USA Today:

"History has shown that suppliers suffer if they run afoul of Wal-Mart. Rubbermaid raised the prices it charged Wal-Mart in the mid-1990s because of an 80% jump in the cost of a key ingredient in its plastic containers. The retailer responded by giving more shelf space to lower-priced competitors, helping drive Rubbermaid into a 1999 merger with rival Newell, says John Mariotti, a former Rubbermaid executive. "Rubbermaid earned Wal-Mart's wrath by not giving it the best deal," he says."

Wal-Mart doesn't own Rubbermaid.

^+1 It is still a part of Newell Rubbermaid along with many other brand names shown below :

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« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2014, 12:20:44 pm »
so back to the original topic.. I agree to much. but One part of a cocktail i have always wondered about was the glass top, where are you guys getting this? I can get square glass cut, but round edge (and not window pane thick), this i have no idea on where to get.

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« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2014, 12:26:04 pm »
so back to the original topic.. I agree to much. but One part of a cocktail i have always wondered about was the glass top, where are you guys getting this? I can get square glass cut, but round edge (and not window pane thick), this i have no idea on where to get.

You can find it on eBay if you have a Midway cocktail.
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« Reply #64 on: November 13, 2014, 12:32:13 pm »
so back to the original topic.. I agree to much. but One part of a cocktail i have always wondered about was the glass top, where are you guys getting this? I can get square glass cut, but round edge (and not window pane thick), this i have no idea on where to get.

There is a thread HERE ( http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134794.msg1390793.html#msg1390793 ) that discusses a couple places to get the glass and has an invoice showing what type to ask for that might help :


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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #65 on: November 13, 2014, 12:41:43 pm »
so back to the original topic.. I agree to much. but One part of a cocktail i have always wondered about was the glass top, where are you guys getting this? I can get square glass cut, but round edge (and not window pane thick), this i have no idea on where to get.

For a custom job, this might be an option. I haven't got any practical time using this, but I have purchased one of these for custom glass cutting. They were demoing it at the state fair. I wouldn't have bought it, but the guy let me cut at much as I wanted to test the product out, and I was able to get some smooth curve cuts on thicker and tempered glass. I'd assume you can just make a curve cut to your needs and torch or buff the edges smooth.



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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #66 on: November 13, 2014, 01:55:26 pm »
For a custom job, this might be an option. I haven't got any practical time using this, but I have purchased one of these for custom glass cutting. They were demoing it at the state fair. I wouldn't have bought it, but the guy let me cut at much as I wanted to test the product out, and I was able to get some smooth curve cuts on thicker and tempered glass. I'd assume you can just make a curve cut to your needs and torch or buff the edges smooth.

Nifty tool, but nothing groundbreaking.  It essentially combines two tools used in the trade.  The cutter and the breaking pliers. Having the individual tools is actually better, as you can see the cutting wheel more easily.

The secret to cutting glass is pretty simple (I've literally cut tons of the stuff in a previous occupation).  A smooth, uninterrupted score (thus the need to oil the wheel), even pressure on the pliers (don't try to snap the glass, just increase pressure until it breaks on it's own) and on a non-straight line, radii which are compatible with the thickness of the material.  I.e. curves can be tighter in thinner material.  Oh, and a lot of practice.

He should also be wearing gloves :)

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #67 on: November 13, 2014, 02:25:58 pm »
and just that quick a ton of answers to something that has stumped me for awhile.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #68 on: November 13, 2014, 03:15:16 pm »
Nifty tool, but nothing groundbreaking.

Of course it's not groundbreaking.  It's supposed to snap glass into funny shapes, not break ground.  You're looking for a "shovel", friend.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #69 on: November 13, 2014, 03:33:03 pm »

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #70 on: November 13, 2014, 04:40:34 pm »
Let us not forget the MAME team for making this all happen for the 60 in 1 crowd. Well done!  :applaud:
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #71 on: November 13, 2014, 05:32:33 pm »
I didn't read about it on the internet, I was just recalling the story from years ago.  I first heard about it at a business meeting where the ideas behind it were discussed, and even if the facts I recalled aren't totally accurate, the gist of it is still the same:  WalMart got Chinese knockoffs made of the product that looked identical short of the logo, and then marketed them as if they were the brand name, and used their selling power to bury the original company.  They had no qualms about getting some low tier Chinese manufacturer to make a nearly identical version of the product line and I remember someone telling me that the brand name they were putting on it was something similar, but I don't recall the name. 

Rubbermaid was bought out after Walmart destroyed them, for a fraction of the original value of the company, although they play it off as "they merged".  Within 3 years, 850 employees at the original plant in the U.S. were jobless and the whole works is manufactured in China now with distribution by the holding company.  From what I heard, which may only be speculation, the knockoff company Walmart had commissioned to make the knockoffs is now manufacturing for the new company.  And there is no doubt in my mind that Walmart financed the deal for the Newell company to buy out Rubbermaid.  They might not have bought them out outright, but they sure as hell had a major hand in it.

Honestly, the reason I even remember the story at all is because after this became news, my own company found one of these Chinese companies who will take any product you give them and produce it for far cheaper and with the same or better quality than the U.S. manufacturer did it.  They don't even care about casting the products directly from the original.  We sent them a product that is manufactured in the U.S. and within a few months we had samples we could choose from.  One was an identical knockoff, and the others had various modifications from basic cosmetic changes to some improvements in the internals.  We passed around the identical knockoff, and aside from the branding, it was hard to tell which was real and which was the fake.  If we had chosen to buy the knockoffs, we only had to commit to so many and we could have told anyone interested that we found another manufacturer who was selling it for cheaper, just as Walmart did.

Is it illegal to do that?  I imagine it is, but how do you prove that Walmart sent the stuff to specifically have it cloned when thousands of brands are already cloned in China and available to buy in the U.S.  Why do you think the owners of the rights to all these arcade games aren't raking it in from lawsuits for all the 60in1 boards?  It is because suing a Chinese company for copyright is difficult and expensive and in the end you won't see a dime and the moment you DO win and get one company to stop making and selling them, two more will pop up and start selling them.   

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #72 on: November 13, 2014, 06:01:16 pm »

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #73 on: November 13, 2014, 06:09:18 pm »
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The Game Machine is fully assembled and secured on pallet to unsure no breakage during transit.
At least they are admitting they are unsure about it..

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #74 on: November 14, 2014, 09:14:42 am »
Has anyone seen one of these at a SAM's Club?
The site tells me to contact the two stores near me but, I really got better things to do than call up SAM's club to see if they got something i'll never buy. :)
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2014, 10:35:16 am »
Has anyone taken a good look at the pictures at Sam's?  It looks to me like the coin slot thing is crooked within the panel. 

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #76 on: November 14, 2014, 10:38:30 am »
Has anyone taken a good look at the pictures at Sam's?  It looks to me like the coin slot thing is crooked within the panel.

Yeah, I noticed that, too. But for only $1000, what do you expect?
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #77 on: November 14, 2014, 10:51:18 am »
lol I saw that too, but figured the coin return part is probably offset from where it goes in, so they just angled it to make the slots line up instead of having the return 1/2" to the left of the input slot.. Ultimarc sells a similar coin slot..  Theirs looks crooked too, although it is hard to tell in the pic on their site because it is taken at an angle, not head on. 

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« Reply #78 on: November 14, 2014, 10:51:34 am »
But the stools look great!

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #79 on: November 14, 2014, 11:34:58 am »
Does anyone know whether or not they properly gave Malenko credit for the idea of drilling 4 holes through a board?

That's important.

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #80 on: November 14, 2014, 01:07:11 pm »
Does anyone know whether or not they properly gave Malenko credit for the idea of drilling 4 holes through a board?

That's important.

4 LINES ya ---smurfin--- tool bag.  I dont think asking for credit for an idea is too much to ask. I didnt demand money or any other hoopla.
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #81 on: November 14, 2014, 02:13:50 pm »
Has anyone taken a good look at the pictures at Sam's?  It looks to me like the coin slot thing is crooked within the panel.

Yeah, I noticed that, too. But for only $1000, what do you expect?

I expect two stools!   :lol

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #82 on: November 14, 2014, 02:41:45 pm »
Has anyone taken a good look at the pictures at Sam's?  It looks to me like the coin slot thing is crooked within the panel.

Yeah, I noticed that, too. But for only $1000, what do you expect?

I expect two stools!   :lol

I got your stool RIGHT HERE ***grabs crotch***!  >:D
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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2014, 11:28:09 pm »
Has anyone taken a good look at the pictures at Sam's?  It looks to me like the coin slot thing is crooked within the panel.

Yeah, I noticed that, too. But for only $1000, what do you expect?

I expect two stools!   :lol

I got your stool RIGHT HERE ***grabs crotch***!  >:D

Aren't you grabbing the wrong end?  ???

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Re: Sam's Club Selling Cocktail Arcade game this Black Friday!
« Reply #84 on: November 14, 2014, 11:58:51 pm »
Has anyone taken a good look at the pictures at Sam's?  It looks to me like the coin slot thing is crooked within the panel.

Yeah, I noticed that, too. But for only $1000, what do you expect?

I expect two stools!   :lol

I got your stool RIGHT HERE ***grabs crotch***!  >:D

Aren't you grabbing the wrong end?  ???

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