My arcade setup... Overkill??? probably so!

[crtrrss]

Ok... ive been building an arcade machine over the last few months and i created the ultimate setup... I have a 1u rack server with windows server 2012 in my closet that broadcasts a massive hyperspin setup over LAN so i can use it from any computer in my house! i ordered a collection of 17000 games from 20 consoles to go with it! also, ill add a custom .exe to hyperspin that'll be linked to my music library which is also broadcasted over LAN. My actual arcade machine has all LED buttons and joysticks, a modified super high impact cabinet with a soon-to-be custom marquee and bezel, and a lcd on the control panel that displays the info about what game is playing and other random stuff like my email! Overkill........ I think so!

[chopperthedog]

Pics or it never happened.


good day.

[Nephasth]

Pics or it never happened.

What he said.

[crtrrss]

heres pics of the lcd and the original machine (it was a super high impact to neo geo conversion)... ill take more pics tomorrow.... crap, it wont let me upload the pictures

[crtrrss]

here is a photobucket link:

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a505/crtrrss/photo22.jpg

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a505/crtrrss/photo12.jpg

[Sjaak]

My actual arcade machine has all LED buttons and joysticks

I don't see LED buttons and joysticks. Did you post the wrong picture of your cabinet?

[Acids]

I have a 1u rack server with windows server 2012 in my closet that broadcasts a massive hyperspin setup over LAN so i can use it from any computer in my house!

Sounds interesting!!
Can you explain in more detail how you achieved this?  sounds like a great idea for the flat im in?

[Dawgz Rule]

Hey, what happened with the production run of custom LCD panels?  Chinese back out of the deal?

[crtrrss]

Hey, what happened with the production run of custom LCD panels?  Chinese back out of the deal?

there is a chinese holiday right now so i have to wait for that to end for them to respond

My actual arcade machine has all LED buttons and joysticks

I don't see LED buttons and joysticks. Did you post the wrong picture of your cabinet?

That's the original pic.... i painted it all black and made a new cp for the machine

[Nephasth]

Let's a pic of how it stands now.

[DaOld Man]

What he said.

[Drnick]

  Come on bust out the Camera and show us some pic's (Prove the unbelievers wrong)

@ Acid, If I was going to what is described I would use HyperV & VMs which can be accessed by any machine in the house. To be honest I don't know how well it would work but with the way you can setup VM's nowadays with all sorts of hardware acceleration I can't think of a real reason why this wouldn't be possible.  You could then just build a portable control panel that you can pop on your desk or lap and away you go. Talking of 1U servers I really must remember to grab one from work at some point and get rid of this noisy old dekstop.  I figure a server under the stairs and a couple of dumb terminals around the house would do the job perfectly.

[crtrrss]

Come on bust out the Camera and show us some pic's (Prove the unbelievers wrong)

@ Acid, If I was going to what is described I would use HyperV & VMs which can be accessed by any machine in the house. To be honest I don't know how well it would work but with the way you can setup VM's nowadays with all sorts of hardware acceleration I can't think of a real reason why this wouldn't be possible.  You could then just build a portable control panel that you can pop on your desk or lap and away you go. Talking of 1U servers I really must remember to grab one from work at some point and get rid of this noisy old dekstop.  I figure a server under the stairs and a couple of dumb terminals around the house would do the job perfectly.

well you understand how it works!! good for you! i am going to use a home ftp-like program for the hyperspin and windows media player or xmbc for my media. I was going to use hyperv, but i wanted to access it from any independent computer in my house with ease so the home ftp works best. also, good idea about the portable control panels! I will make a few of those with usb and a few with wireless thin clients for regular tv access

[crtrrss]

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a505/crtrrss/IMG_0240_zps6a46e7bf.jpg

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a505/crtrrss/IMG_0241_zps3cae7d07.jpg

Here's what i have so far ( I already have t-molding and stuff like that.... all i need now is for my rom collection to ship and a screen )

[Nephasth]

The title of this thread is misleading, nothing is setup yet.

[crtrrss]

oh yes sorry it should be called my arcade project

[crtrrss]

oh does anybody know of a way to keep a server cool?? i keep it in my closet because its the only place where it wouldn't look completely weird and it gets hot as balls in there after a few hours of the server running. anybody know a good way to fix this??

[Drnick]

Yay @ Nephasth for his 3000th post

 

A modified super high impact cabinet,   Come now that's a little bit of an overstatement.
Unless you really mean that it is - a modified "Super High Impact" Cabinet although I have never seen "Super High Impact" the game. 
Damn, there really is a game called that    I kid, I kid.   Just one question,  Why the overhang on the left and right?
You have the 2 players squished up in the middle and a huge amount of real estate to the left and right.  Are you going to be fitting motorised cup holders or something?.

Oh and on the server issue, Um ventilation, Lots of it.  The only thing effective is air conditioning.  But at the least get some air circulating under there, maybe a vent in the bottom stair and then a vent into the upstairs hall if possible. (Hey it keeps the hall warm for free too). That was based on the assumption the closet is under the stairs.  If not the answers the same, ventilation and air movement.
 

[Nephasth]

Yay @ Nephasth for his 3000th post

 

Dammit, and wasted too. I've spent too much time around these forums...

[yotsuya]

Just hire the Chinese guys who are building the monitors to come out and rig up your house. Problem solved.

[crtrrss]

i was thinking either iphone docks or something else. also, the chinese are on a holiday right now so nothing can happen with the monitors

[yotsuya]

 

[crtrrss]

also, the led buttons are not in the picture because i plan to give the machine another layer of spray paint

[drventure]

Maybe you'll see some benefit that I don't but in all seriousness, streaming arcade games just sounds, meh.

Put em in a decent Mame cab, or maybe two (one for horz games, one for vertical). Throw in a few pins if you like that (or a digital pin, dang I need to build one of those someday). Done.

Putting emulated console games up on the tv? Ok, that might be cool. I've never been a console gamer though, so I'm not going to comment one way or the other there.

As for music. Put your mp3's and vids on a central server, add JRMedia Center or Plex, or maybe XBMC, and you can stream your music to any device you'd like, though I only ever used it to play music by the pool.

None-the-less, pics of the process is always appreciated around these parts!

[crtrrss]

well, ill upload more pics in a few days. i need perfect weather for the spraypaint to dry and since i live in Alabama, perfect weather is kinda rare. In most parts of the year, its either too hot or too cold or to misty (today) or too humid or too dry, but once the machine has a full paintjob, ill put the buttons in and send pics

[Dawgz Rule]

Just hire the Chinese guys who are building the monitors to come out and rig up your house. Problem solved.

 

[crtrrss]

well sadly, the chinese dont take very many holidays, but the ones that they do take are VERY long

[crtrrss]

oh and i finally found a use for my old iphone! all of my idevices are jailbroken  so they all have the mame app. I was inspired my the iphone mame cabinet so i decided that im going to have a "Wiimote" hooked up as a control panel to the Mame4all app and i have a canle that hooks iphone up via usb and av to my tv. So.... wireless cp + jailbroken iphone + 55in tv= awesome!

[Dawgz Rule]

Awesome idea... I was thinking of doing the same with all of my jailbroken fleshlights that are all over the house.  I can then use my Cray XE6m Supercomputer to stream all over the house.  Of course I will want dig up the spare Nexus 7000 switch out of the garage to ensure good streaming quality.  Last but not least, as soon as those Chinese get off holiday, I will be able to display these on the full wall size lcd panels for around $200.

[jammin0]

Awesome idea... I was thinking of doing the same with all of my jailbroken fleshlights that are all over the house.  I can then use my Cray XE6m Supercomputer to stream all over the house.  Of course I will want dig up the spare Nexus 7000 switch out of the garage to ensure good streaming quality.  Last but not least, as soon as those Chinese get off holiday, I will be able to display these on the full wall size lcd panels for around $200.

You can dawg all you want but I have already lost 5 mins of my life staring at that avatar.  That's worth some cred.

[yotsuya]

 

Awesome idea... I was thinking of doing the same with all of my jailbroken fleshlights that are all over the house.  I can then use my Cray XE6m Supercomputer to stream all over the house.  Of course I will want dig up the spare Nexus 7000 switch out of the garage to ensure good streaming quality.  Last but not least, as soon as those Chinese get off holiday, I will be able to display these on the full wall size lcd panels for around $200.

[TOK]

Why you guys so negative?

PS: Check out my Ferrari!

[Dawgz Rule]

I'm not being negative.   Jail breaking a fleshlight isn't exactly easy.   

Actually, sort of reminds me of a network engineer that worked for me.    Want a $20 Xbox from "his friend" at Microsoft?  He had you covered.  Need a bomgar box for your home?  He could get you that too.  Want to use his timeshare in Florida?  Sure thing.   Want a 5 day hopper pass at Disney?  He has an uncle.....

I will say that one day he did bring in an Xbox (new in the box) and gave it to one of our desktop techs for $20.  As best as we can tell, he was getting so much grief about that one that he actually went out and purchased one to save face.  After that, he said that Microsoft no longer offered them to employees at that price. 

[a1pharm]

Awesome idea... I was thinking of doing the same with all of my jailbroken fleshlights that are all over the house.  I can then use my Cray XE6m Supercomputer to stream all over the house.  Of course I will want dig up the spare Nexus 7000 switch out of the garage to ensure good streaming quality.  Last but not least, as soon as those Chinese get off holiday, I will be able to display these on the full wall size lcd panels for around $200.

 

[Acids]

 [/quote]
well you understand how it works!! good for you! i am going to use a home ftp-like program for the hyperspin and windows media player or xmbc for my media. I was going to use hyperv, but i wanted to access it from any independent computer in my house with ease so the home ftp works best. also, good idea about the portable control panels! I will make a few of those with usb and a few with wireless thin clients for regular tv access
[/quote]

what do you mean ftp-like program.  File Transfer Protocol  

Please explain?   running vms and stuff sounds good but from my experience its just not suitable for mame / emulation.

..........The comments from many are quite discouraging,    WTF people grow up!!!
please ignore them.  if you have a good idea please share it.  if its valid and works then show them up as the fools.

[TOK]

..........The comments from many are quite discouraging,    WTF people grow up!!!
please ignore them.  if you have a good idea please share it.  if its valid and works then show them up as the fools.

Well, he really set himself up for the comments by overselling his progress in the topic name and early part of the post. People here have spent hundreds of hours building cabinets, gone on 10 hour road trips for games and gutted basements for the hobby.

You just don't start claiming what you're doing is "overkill" to people that have done those things when all you have to show for it is a stripped cabinet.

[Meph]

Spring Festival:  It falls on Feb. 10, 2013.  The holiday is from Feb. 9 to 15.

Holiday over, let the flood of LCDs begin!

[Malenko]

you dont FTP into a desktop, you RDP / MSTSC into it. He could run Server 2012 on a beefy system then use a thin client and the like to console session into it. But honestly its a pretty unneeded and complex (and costly if you don't pirate licenses, Server 2012 is around $700) set up when you can scrap together a passable PC and run everything locally. I mean he could even set up a file share on the server and store the roms there if hard drive space is an issue, but seriously, hard drives arent that much and you dont need Server to share folders on your network.

So overkill software set up on an under whelming cabinet.

[EightBySix]

You can dawg all you want but I have already lost 5 mins of my life staring at that avatar.  That's worth some cred.

+1

Wtf is it, anyway? Got a kind of 'adventure time' feel...

[jammin0]

Wtf is it, anyway? Got a kind of 'adventure time' feel...

Ok, I just googled it.  It's called a bunchie.  Cross between a llama and a lima bean?
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bunchie

[crtrrss]

well its good that you know ur memes now  When i firt saw it, i stared at it for at least 20 minutes

[crtrrss]

well you understand how it works!! good for you! i am going to use a home ftp-like program for the hyperspin and windows media player or xmbc for my media. I was going to use hyperv, but i wanted to access it from any independent computer in my house with ease so the home ftp works best. also, good idea about the portable control panels! I will make a few of those with usb and a few with wireless thin clients for regular tv access
[/quote]

what do you mean ftp-like program.  File Transfer Protocol  

Please explain?   running vms and stuff sounds good but from my experience its just not suitable for mame / emulation.

..........The comments from many are quite discouraging,    WTF people grow up!!!
please ignore them.  if you have a good idea please share it.  if its valid and works then show them up as the fools.

[/quote]

I have a home ftp program as i stated earlier... I will have hyperspin installed on every individual device because it would be as slow as crap running a exe over a ftp. the roms will be on the ftp, thus eliminating the need for anything bigger than a thumb drive as a hard drive on thin clients.

[crtrrss]

and a message to everyone who is hating here... A 14 year old has a better mame setup than you (well, is about to ) Also, I was thinking about putting a mini fridge on bottom... should I? I'm afraid that it will look stupid

[chopperthedog]

and a message to everyone who is hating here... A 14 year old has a better mame setup than you (well, is about to ) Also, I was thinking about putting a mini fridge on bottom... should I? I'm afraid that it will look stupid

Oh how the plot thickens... The interwebs never fail us. Love it.


good day.

[Comtek]

Making it happen is the only way to shut them up.
lets have some more pics

[crtrrss]

Well I'm going to buy some paint that is safe to apply indoors. The weather has been awful for spray paint every day for the last 4 weeks. Well at least the spray paint primed it. Once I apply paint, I'll put the computer and buttons in. You can expect more pics in the next few days

[PL1]

I was thinking about putting a mini fridge on bottom... should I? I'm afraid that it will look stupid

I think Tony did well with his bArcade.

Since then, he has updated the CP.


Scott

[crtrrss]

that is one sexy machine. i will try my best to copy his design here but i dont know how that would look on my cab because of the front's shape

[Nephasth]

and a message to everyone who is hating here... A 14 year old has a better mame setup than you (well, is about to ) Also, I was thinking about putting a mini fridge on bottom... should I? I'm afraid that it will look stupid

Wait... you're 14? Or you're building this for a 14 year old?

[crtrrss]

im 14

[Nephasth]

Well kid, good luck. I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

[crtrrss]

thanks.

[crtrrss]

oh by the way... Your machine is amazing nephasth. I bet that you will win the BYOAC award!

[Nephasth]

oh by the way... Your machine is amazing nephasth. I bet that you will win the BYOAC award!

Thanks! And the Beast did in fact win the fullsize category this year. (that's root beer fo you)

[crtrrss]

lol congrats

[Unstupid]

I have a home ftp program as i stated earlier... I will have hyperspin installed on every individual device because it would be as slow as crap running a exe over a ftp. the roms will be on the ftp, thus eliminating the need for anything bigger than a thumb drive as a hard drive on thin clients.

FTP eh?  Be honest... You don't know what you are doing, do you? 

[Dawgz Rule]

im 14

Well that certainly explains a lot. 

Criticism, yes.  Hate, no.  I think it is great that someone your age wants to build a great arcade setup and I look forward to seeing your masterpiece. 

That being said, you shouldn't jump up on a forum proclaiming you built the ultimate arcade and how you are days away from closing a deal with the Chinese on custom LCD panels....none of which has actually happened.

You also need to read up on your networking fundamentals because your proposed setup isn't going to work. 

[griffindodd]

im 14

 

[yotsuya]

im 14

 

 

[TopJimmyCooks]

When I was 14, I was also king of the world so I know how it feels.  Good thing no fora available at that time. 

[crtrrss]

I didn't say that I had the ultimate setup. I give that title to nephasth or the dude with the barcade. Also, I'll get a quote for the LCDs in about 24 hrs. They will most likely be less than $100!

[Drnick]

I'm going to hazard a guess that would be less then $100 on the basis of 10,000 Minimum order 

The FTP is not what you want to do, you would need to setup shares, then map those shares and tell the software the location for the shares.

Now as a 14Yr old your gonna have a lot of growing up to do occasionally you are going to be wrong.  I know it's going to be hard to accept it but it's the hard cold truth.

I didn't say that I had the ultimate setup. I give that title to nephasth or the dude with the barcade. Also, I'll get a quote for the LCDs in about 24 hrs. They will most likely be less than $100!

Ok... ive been building an arcade machine over the last few months and i created the ultimate setup... Blah Blah Blah  Overkill........ I think so!

[crtrrss]

There is no minimum order from this manufacturer

[Dalgaard]

Hehe, one of the funniest threads I've read in a long time...

[Dawgz Rule]

In case you missed it from your first post........

" i created the ultimate setup"

[crtrrss]

I didn't miss it. Don't you have anything better to do besides point out childrens' failures like maybe........ A JOB!?!?!

[Dawgz Rule]

im 14

[crtrrss]

.

[Dawgz Rule]

Before I have to deal with the evening news of a 14 year old going postal and blaming the BYOAC forum.....

Nobody is pointing out your failures.  Your lesson learned is that you shouldn't jump up on forums with wild claims of "ultimate setup", "monitor deals with the Chinese"....etc.

Most of the people here have years and years of experience in arcade builds, artwork, front ends, etc.  (I'm not one of them!)  It is a great place to learn and exchange ideas.  I will also add that my arcade build (I only built one thus far....I'm really a pinball guy) was one of the most rewarding projects I have ever undertaken. 

So, take a step back, take a deep breath, and kind of go with it knowing that you are learning your path to arcade nirvana.  You will learn a lot provided you don't come off as a cocky kid.

Oh, and yes, I do have a job.  I work in IT management and my company has manufacturing plants all over the world....just not in China.   

[crtrrss]

In case you missed it from your first post........

" i created the ultimate setup"

O really

[Le Chuck]

Subscribe

 

[PL1]

Crtrrss, I think this song from the 1989 album Presto by Rush summarizes what the posters are saying.



Instead of wasting time arguing with them: Show Don't Tell.

After you hit a home run, you can tell them to pound sand.

However, if you brag to everyone in advance how awesome you are and then strike out royally, it's human nature to throw it back in your face.

You've called your shot, now it's time to hit it.



You'll either prove them right or wrong, based on the results you achieve.

I wish you the best of luck preparing your case for the BYOAC jury.   

Lyrics
How many times do you hear it?
It goes on all day long
Everyone knows everything
And no one's ever wrong
Until later...

Who can you believe?
It's hard to play it safe
But apart from a few good friends
We don't take anything on faith
Until later...

Show...don't tell...

(Show me, don't tell me)
You've figured out the score
(Show me, don't tell me)
I've heard it all before
(Show me, don't tell me)
I don't care what you say
(Show me, don't tell me)

You can twist perceptions
Reality won't budge
You can raise objections
I will be the judge
And the jury

I'll give it due reflection
Watching from the fence
Give the jury direction
Based on the evidence
I, the jury

(Show me, don't tell me)
Hey, order in the court
(Show me, don't tell me)
Let's try to keep it short
(Show me, don't tell me)
Enough of your demands
(Show me, don't tell me)
Witness take the stand
(Show me, don't tell me)

(Show me, don't tell me)
Hey, order in the court
(Show me, don't tell me)
Let's try to keep it short
(Show me, don't tell me)
I don't care what you say
(Show me, don't tell me)
Let's see exhibit A


Scott

[a1pharm]

I'm impressed that a 14 year old (born in 1999/2000) has had so much exposure to arcades that he wants to build one (I just mean that it seems like most video-gaming for the younger generation occurs on consoles - kudos to you for hitting up the arcades).

If you pull of this build, you will be decades ahead of many of your peers in many of the skills it takes to build a cab (woodworking, computer building, software troubleshooting, perhaps network troubleshooting).

I wish you luck, and hope you make something epic.  This is a great forum that will gladly help you if you ask in the right way.  We won't be combative if you aren't, and I won't belittle you if you don't belittle me.

Cheers

[crtrrss]

i was born in '98 and yes.... I am way ahead of my peers. Heck, I'm one of the very few people my age who could successfully build a computer

[Le Chuck]

And so modest!

[crtrrss]

Also, I just added some extremely glossy paint to the machin that should dry by tomorrow evening. After that, Ill add the buttons, computer, and temporary screen 

[crtrrss]

oh by the way Le Chuck, Your collection of star wars machines is very impressive! 

[Comtek]

this is your original post

Ok... ive been building an arcade machine over the last few months and i created the ultimate setup... I have a 1u rack server with windows server 2012 in my closet that broadcasts a massive hyperspin setup over LAN so i can use it from any computer in my house! i ordered a collection of 17000 games from 20 consoles to go with it! also, ill add a custom .exe to hyperspin that'll be linked to my music library which is also broadcasted over LAN. My actual arcade machine has all LED buttons and joysticks, a modified super high impact cabinet with a soon-to-be custom marquee and bezel, and a lcd on the control panel that displays the info about what game is playing and other random stuff like my email! Overkill........ I think so!

you say you been building it over the last few months - you have nothing done so far
a few questions though
can you show us pics of the 1U rack server in your closet
can you also show up pics of the led buttons and joysticks
who is writing the custom .exe for hyperspin
can you also explain to us what makes the cabinet modified super high impact

these are all valid questions give answering them a shot.

[Unstupid]

can you also explain to us what makes the cabinet modified super high impact

I can answer this one... He means the original cab was a "Super High Impact" machine that was converted to a neo geo.  Super High Impact was the name of the game.... It was a 4 player football game back in the day....
http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=9903

[crtrrss]

the cab was originally for a game called super high impact. It has a football game made in 1991 ( I think ) .

heres pics.... DONT LAUGH AT MY SERVER SETUP Its really sad

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a505/crtrrss/IMG_0243_zps661b4e60.jpg

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a505/crtrrss/IMG_0242_zps099f079f.jpg

Im still working on the .exe. I think that it will be Itunes based. Dont know yet

And for the LED buttons... Ill send pics of those when they are in the cp and are all powered

[Comtek]

nice
guess i'll tag along and see how you make out.
dont rush it take your time and do it right.

[crtrrss]

The seat for my little "setup is a stepstool because i couldnt fit a chair in there. Also, Im not rushing this at all. I've been working on and researching for this machine for months now.

[Dawgz Rule]

Modest....

i was born in '98 and yes.... I am way ahead of my peers. Heck, I'm one of the very few people my age who could successfully build a computer

Yet humble at the same time....

DONT LAUGH AT MY SERVER SETUP  Its really sad

[crtrrss]

Should I put plexi over my cp?

[Malenko]

Should I put plexi over my cp?

depends, whats your art printed on?

[crtrrss]

Don't have any art yet. Just high gloss paint

[dextercf]

Don't have any art yet. Just high gloss paint

Congratulations on your high gloss paint! Really!

[Drnick]

How about we try and keep this as constructive as possible from here on in 

Yes you should put Plexi on to protect the Paint. Either that or many coats of clear lacquer.  I would go with Plexi just because it is easier to keep clean. If you go down the artwork route then get your art on Laminated Vinyl which will not need Plexi.

[crtrrss]

Ok I'll get plexi for now. I might add vinyl later on

[Dawgz Rule]

My recommendation would be to do both the plexi and the artwork together.    Typically the plexi is going to be covered by the CP components.  Putting artwork on later would require you to take everything apart again....not a lot of fun. 

[crtrrss]

You're right. Wiring is definitely not the fun part about building a cp. I'll print some off later. I might need to go to a kinkos to print some of it

[crtrrss]

I'm trying to find a way to mount this to my cp. would I have to build another cp and mount it on or what would be the best way to do that

[crtrrss]

Or better yet, I just found a use for the empty space on the sides of my cp! I'll have to take off the plastic covering and find a way to make it look natural coming out of the cp. do you know of any 2 player racing games for mame?

[Unstupid]

Ooohhhh  A Steering Wheel!   All you need now is a Tron stick and a spinner and your CP is going to look extra awesome! 

[Dawgz Rule]

Hey, your avatar isn't working right.  Everybody thinks you bailed on the forum.

[Nephasth]

You're right. Wiring is definitely not the fun part about building a cp.

I thought wiring was supposed to be the most fun part...

[crtrrss]

Well I would consider using the machine the fun part.

[Le Chuck]

Well I would consider using the machine the fun part.

phffft, shows what you know.  stick around here and you'll soon learn that the fun stuff is the agony of the build.  half these folks have a perfectly good cabinet sitting in a corner whilst they're hammering away on some crazy unnecessary contraption like a tin can robot projector doohickey or summtink. 

[crtrrss]

I did that kind of stuff in the past with old desktops  but my 'rents complained about me bringing "garbage" into the house so I ha to stop

[Dawgz Rule]

My CP has an overhang on the front and I simply bolt it on and plug into a USB connection on the cabinet if I am in the mood for a driving game.  Be careful, it is very easy to find yourself going down a path of building an "everything" arcade cabinet and eventually creating a monster.  Try to think of the games you really want to play and focus your build on that.  Same for the games.  I orginally put almost 8000 games on my cabinet and realized shortly after that it was too much....especially for guests.  I have since gotten it down to a few hundred and still trying to get it down even more.   

Couldn't tell you about any two person driving games as I am just now working on the configuration of those games.

Le Chuck is right.  The agony of the build is the most fun.  Seems like I spend more time tweaking and adjusting the various pieces.  Each time it gets a little closer to perfection. 

[crtrrss]

What happens when you reach perfection?

[Le Chuck]

What happens when you reach perfection?

The community will let you know when you're there.  It's something you can never reach on your own.  The users decide when you arrive.

[Dawgz Rule]

Once they decide, you can always build another cabinet......an even better one.  (Another reason why I only have one.) 

You will be surprised at how much time you can spend on just one cabinet.  When I finally started the build it only took a few weeks.  Over the last year it has been all about configuration.  Sure, the cabinet plays fine but I wanted to have CP's pop up before each game.  Then I wanted the buttons labeled properly.  Then it was trying to match colors to buttons.  Then it was sorting through the games to find "the best of the best" and the list goes on and on. 

[crtrrss]

Wow. I'm afraid of doing something like that one day. Once the machine is finished ( to my standards ), ill quit working on it

[Dawgz Rule]

You say that now.  Of course, you are a teen boy....My step son lost all interest in gaming as soon as a girl liked him. 

[crtrrss]

Wait a second... There are 1p racing games that can connect over LAN to each other and they can play multiplayer. Would it be possible to emulate a 2p situation of that with 2 instances of mame?

[Dawgz Rule]

I would have to defer to the experts on that one.

[Nephasth]

Wait a second... There are 1p racing games that can connect over LAN to each other and they can play multiplayer. Would it be possible to emulate a 2p situation of that with 2 instances of mame?

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,130136.0.html

[crtrrss]

That looks really cool. I might build another machine later with a 2p racing cab

[crtrrss]

Can you use a standard drill bit to drill a hole in plexi?

[yotsuya]

Can you use a standard drill bit to drill a hole in plexi?

Yeah, just be careful. If you can sandwich the plexi between wood or MDF, it helps.

[crtrrss]

I'll drill holes for screws carefully in the corners and then drill the button holes from there

[yotsuya]

What are you going to use for cutting button holes?

[crtrrss]

1 inch drill bit thingy. Forgot what it's called

[yotsuya]

For arcade buttons, you'll need 1.125 inch (one and one eighth).

[Le Chuck]

Hey FNG, homework assignment: go read the "working with plastics" thread in woodworking and tell us how you need to do it based on what you learned.

[crtrrss]

I thought that too but I found that my buttons are 1 inch and ill read the thread

[yotsuya]

I thought that too but I found that my buttons are 1 inch and ill read the thread

What kind of buttons are you using?

[crtrrss]

I don't know the brand but they're led

[Nephasth]

If they look anything like this...



You lost the chance of this being overkill.

[yotsuya]

You might be fine then, if they are smaller. I always assume people are using the standard HAPP push buttons.

[adder]

sorry your control panel was doin my 'ead in...

fixed...

[crtrrss]

They look sorta like that

[crtrrss]

sorry your control panel was doin my 'ead in...

fixed...

Really?!?!? You waste your time on photoshopping a random picture on an arcade forum?!?!? You are wasting your life my friend

[griffindodd]

[thatpurplestuff]

sorry your control panel was doin my 'ead in...

fixed...

Really?!?!? You waste your time on photoshopping a random picture on an arcade forum?!?!? You are wasting your life my friend

I don't think he was trying to be rude, he was just trying to show you what the cabinet would look like without the extra unused space on both sides of the control panel.

[crtrrss]

I didn't say that he was being rude. Just that he is wasting his time. If you're going to photoshop something, photoshop something funny

[Le Chuck]

Tread careful champ, you'll chase off a lot of well intentioned help by trampling goodwill.

[CoryBee]

Tread careful champ, you'll chase off a lot of well intentioned help by trampling goodwill.

This.

My builds are never perfect, but I have taken all of the criticism with stride and let it help me build my skills in this hobby.

[yotsuya]

Tread careful champ, you'll chase off a lot of well intentioned help by trampling goodwill.

That's OK, Chuck! He was just doing his best! Go for it, tiger!!! Gold star!

[Dawgz Rule]

Woof

[maffewl]

Hope to see the actuality of this mame-cade's potential.  However, I feel this image is probably most accurate...

[griffindodd]

[Dawgz Rule]

Nice 

[mcseforsale]

subscribed


AJ

[maffewl]

[vast]

Wow...

I'm fairly stunned at this one. 

[Unstupid]

What are we all looking at? 

[Drnick]

I think we are all waiting for a bit more action from OP, In the meantime grab some popcorn and find a couch to wait on 

[Le Chuck]

[crtrrss]

Could someone plz nuke this topic? It's gone way to far. I'll post another topic when the machine is almost complete or complete

[Dawgz Rule]

Second the motion to nuke the topic at the request of the OP.    This will give crtrrss a clean start to his project post. 

crtrrss, the last words of advice I will give is to:

1.  Take your time and do your project to your satisfaction.
2.  Be humble
3. Don't be too quick to ridicule others who are trying to help

All of us here really do want to see your project be a success!

Regards,
Dawgz

[Le Chuck]

Just open another thread.  The mods here don't send things to post hell that don't need to be there. 

[leapinlew]

Just open another thread.  The mods here don't send things to post hell that don't need to be there.

No doubt. The dude just got here and he's ordering around the mods to delete stuff. He obviously doesn't know how lazy our mods can be.

[crtrrss]

Ok I'm too lazy to make a new topic, so I'm going to continue to post on this one. I figured out what I am going to do. I will get my server to run freeNAS via hyper-v. Also, I'm considering using gameex over hyperspin. Gameex has jukebox mode which I love and it has a plugin specifically for LCDs. Is gameex worth the $17 that it costs to get a full membership?? Also, I still need to find a monitor. The space was for a 25" CRT and I can't seem to find a screen online that would replace it nicely. Any suggestions?

[Dawgz Rule]

I use GameEx and found the small fee to be well worth it.  Great support community and the fee helps promote future development.

[crtrrss]

ok ill buy it along with an emumovies membership. Isn't there a discount of some sort if you buy both together??

[HaRuMaN]

He obviously doesn't know how lazy our mods can be.

Indeed 

[Dawgz Rule]

ok ill buy it along with an emumovies membership. Isn't there a discount of some sort if you buy both together??

Correct.  Emumovies has a nice utility that will scan your roms and download all of the artwork, video clips, etc.  I recently finished all of the front end "tweaking" on my cab and it looks really nice with the videos over static images.  Definitely kicks it up a notch.

[crtrrss]

That is probably what I'm going to do. Also, my 17000 roms arrived a few days ago. All of them work great (except for mame) . The roms were burnt onto 4 CDs and 3 out of 4 CDs came out great. The other one had a mysterious burn mark on it and it is not letting me access the files on it. I'm checking to see if I can get a replacement.

[DaveMMR]

Also, my 17000 roms arrived a few days ago. All of them work great (except for mame)

Here's an interesting fact: if you played each one of those roms for only 1 minute each, you would have wasted 11.8 straight days of your life not having any real fun.

 

[crtrrss]

Here's an interesting fact. If you spend your time on a forum looking for smart comments to make, you will have wasted 20 years of your life not having any real fun :burgerking

[yotsuya]

Here's an interesting fact. If you spend your time on a forum looking for smart comments to make, you will have wasted 20 years of your life not having any real fun :burgerking

'

That's a 14-year-old worthy burn.

[Le Chuck]

Isn't there like an age limit or something to ride this ride? 

[crtrrss]

Last time I checked, no

[DaveMMR]

Here's an interesting fact. If you spend your time on a forum looking for smart comments to make, you will have wasted 20 years of your life not having any real fun :burgerking

'

That's a 14-year-old worthy burn.

He can have the burn, so long as he eventually gets the point of my comment. 

Isn't there like an age limit or something to ride this ride? 

The real question: isn't there a limit to the number of pages a project announcement can become without any photos of said project (save for a few non-descript links).

[crtrrss]

Fine.... I'm too lazy to upload pictures usually. Ill upload them as it progresses. For now, I need a screen. I am installing windows server 2012 datacenter on my server right now. Ill install freeNAS as a vm on it and it will host all of my roms. What is the best replacement for a 25" CRT (besides a 25" CRT)

[crtrrss]

Here's a pic. That's all I can take for now

[Endaar]

Fine.... I'm too lazy to upload pictures usually. Ill upload them as it progresses. For now, I need a screen. I am installing windows server 2012 datacenter on my server right now. Ill install freeNAS as a vm on it and it will host all of my roms. What is the best replacement for a 25" CRT (besides a 25" CRT)

Why oh why would you bother installing freeNAS on a VM within a Server 2012 installation? What does freeNAS do that Server 2012 doesn't do natively? Or for that matter, since all you need is a network share, the server OS itself is yes, wait for it, complete overkill.

Endaar

[CoryBee]

I am installing windows server 2012 datacenter on my server right now. Ill install freeNAS as a vm on it and it will host all of my roms.

What??

[mcseforsale]

Datacenter says cluster.  freeNAS says you're a rookie.  What exactly are you trying to accomplish.  None of these things make any sense.

AJ

[DaveMMR]

    

[Unstupid]

 

Be honest... You don't know what you are doing, do you?

Page 2!

[Gamester]

Young man, I applaud your effort, and I'm honestly impressed that someone as young as you is interested building a machine to play these old games.

That being said, I think you're getting in over your head. There is probably like a gajillion years worth of combined IT and arcade experience represented on this forum.  My recommendation would that you try to convey what you want to accomplish clearly, take the guidance here with grace, and stop trying to impress everyone with your ingenuity.  A little humility will get you a lot further around here...

Now with that being said, carry on.

Oh, and one more thing...never underestimate the power of posting pictures around here.  It will gain you a lot more credibility, and frankly makes a thread way more interesting to read.  Nobody wants to read endless pages of just text.

[Drnick]

Datacenter Licenses are listed at $4809.

Wow for that kind of money I would just buy a machine.   I guess along with buying the rom's someone got themselves a dodgy copy of 2012.

Seriously kid, and I mean that in a non disrespectful way,  I was once like you with massive ideas.  Mine was building a submarine out of lego.  It has something in common with your idea.  It's never going to hold water.

You can store all your roms etc on the server and share these out to the other systems with no problem.  You can virtualise some PC's from within 2012 and publish these to the desktops of your pc's around the house.  You could even install Hyperspin with all the art and everything locally to each machine and then point all installs to the videos and roms on the server. But I just cannot get my head around what you are planning and how you think it is going to work.  Gameex from Hyperspin, Why would you do this, both are front ends, use one or the other.

[yotsuya]

Datacenter Licenses are listed at $4809.

Wow for that kind of money I would just buy a machine.   I guess along with buying the rom's someone got themselves a dodgy copy of 2012.

Seriously kid, and I mean that in a non disrespectful way,  I was once like you with massive ideas.  Mine was building a submarine out of lego.  It has something in common with your idea.  It's never going to hold water.

Dammit, where's the link to Le Chuck's Cyrano post....

[mcseforsale]

I can't see serving emulators in a thin-client environment as virtual apps, either.  They're so lightweight anyhow, it doesn't make sense.  And, there's nothing really to support, so centralizing support isn't a good reason either.

AJ

[Le Chuck]

Datacenter Licenses are listed at $4809.

Wow for that kind of money I would just buy a machine.   I guess along with buying the rom's someone got themselves a dodgy copy of 2012.

Seriously kid, and I mean that in a non disrespectful way,  I was once like you with massive ideas.  Mine was building a submarine out of lego.  It has something in common with your idea.  It's never going to hold water.

Dammit, where's the link to Le Chuck's Cyrano post....

Oh and thanks for the prompt badmouth, but I'm a designer by trade and I'll be damned if anyone is going to design the frontend but me, I have a vision!  If you've seen the project you should be starting see that unfold.

When I was 13 I made a putty nose that looked like a big dick hanging off my face.  I wanted to be Cyrano de Begerac for Halloween.  My mother told me it looked like a dick and I told her I had vision.  Sometimes you have vision and sometimes you have a dick on your face.  I'm not saying you have a dick on your face, I'm just saying that you never know.

[Seith]

Seriously kid, and I mean that in a non disrespectful way,  I was once like you with massive ideas.  Mine was building a submarine out of lego.  It has something in common with your idea.  It's never going to hold water.

fixed

[mcseforsale]

Datacenter Licenses are listed at $4809.

Wow for that kind of money I would just buy a machine.   I guess along with buying the rom's someone got themselves a dodgy copy of 2012.

Seriously kid, and I mean that in a non disrespectful way,  I was once like you with massive ideas.  Mine was building a submarine out of lego.  It has something in common with your idea.  It's never going to hold water.

Dammit, where's the link to Le Chuck's Cyrano post....

Oh and thanks for the prompt badmouth, but I'm a designer by trade and I'll be damned if anyone is going to design the frontend but me, I have a vision!  If you've seen the project you should be starting see that unfold.

When I was 13 I made a putty nose that looked like a big dick hanging off my face.  I wanted to be Cyrano de Begerac for Halloween.  My mother told me it looked like a dick and I told her I had vision.  Sometimes you have vision and sometimes you have a dick on your face.  I'm not saying you have a dick on your face, I'm just saying that you never know.

Hahahaha.  this^^

[Dawgz Rule]

When I was 13 I made a putty nose that looked like a big dick hanging off my face.  I wanted to be Cyrano de Begerac for Halloween.  My mother told me it looked like a dick and I told her I had vision.  Sometimes you have vision and sometimes you have a dick on your face.  I'm not saying you have a dick on your face, I'm just saying that you never know.

To ---smurfing--- funny.   

[griffindodd]

When I was 13 I made a putty nose that looked like a big dick hanging off my face.  I wanted to be Cyrano de Begerac for Halloween.  My mother told me it looked like a dick and I told her I had vision.  Sometimes you have vision and sometimes you have a dick on your face.  I'm not saying you have a dick on your face, I'm just saying that you never know.

OMG I just spat out my coffee 

[Dawgz Rule]

Le Chuck...this still has me laughing.  Nice, real nice.

[DaveMMR]

Haha - that's a great little speech. Love it! 

[crtrrss]

Finally got a screen! Also, after I took off the glass to put the screen in, I TAPPED the glass against the ground and this happened

[yotsuya]

I guess you learned the lesson that you NEVER put glass on the edges on a hard floor.

[Dawgz Rule]

Now you can get a nice piece of greylite glass to replace it.  It will look even better.

[sandheaver]

Finally got a screen! Also, after I took off the glass to put the screen in, I TAPPED the glass against the ground and this happened

if it did that it was tempered glass and not suitable for arcade front-glass.  far too easily shattered.  I'd be glad I figured that out before I finished, if I were you.

Just pop a thick piece of plexiglass in there.  much lighter and much less fragile.  Just be careful touching it.

[crtrrss]

So should I get another form of glass or good plexi?

[chopperthedog]

if it did that it was tempered glass and not suitable for arcade front-glass.  far too easily shattered.  I'd be glad I figured that out before I finished, if I were you.

Just pop a thick piece of plexiglass in there.  much lighter and much less fragile.  Just be careful touching it.

Ummmm, If glass is to be used in an arcade game you WANT/NEED it tempered. Tempering glass increases the overall strength of the glass and adds the safety feature (shattering to very small pieces) that in the event it does break you're not left with machete like shards that will slice through flesh with ease. But good ole crtrrss did by far the WORST thing you could do with a piece of tempered glass by placing the edge on ceramic tile plus he probably very softly (it doesn't take much) bumped the corner first as he was setting it down. If you do go with glass again make sure you get it tempered and have the edges polished.


good day.

[sandheaver]

I agree on the breakage pattern, but glass in an environment where people tap corners of it on the tile floor and are then surprised by the outcome is not an environment where glass should be utilized.

[DaveMMR]

Didn't temper my glass - price difference was just too great. But it's in a home where I would hope people wouldn't willy-nilly be punching at my screen.

[sandheaver]

Didn't temper my glass - price difference was just too great. But it's in a home where I would hope people wouldn't willy-nilly be punching at my screen.

well it shattered like it was tempered.  no big shards.

at home is where people get a bit careless.  (or drunk, or friends who just don't care come over, etc.); I've found things get damaged at home before they would in other places.  your experiences may differ.

[chopperthedog]

I agree on the breakage pattern, but glass in an environment where people tap corners of it on the tile floor is not an environment where glass should be utilized.

Tempered glass is everywhere. Shower doors, cutting boards, retail store fronts, windows, sliding patio doors, arcade games, cocktail tables, picnic tables, cell phones, cars, ice arenas and the list could go on and on. But as I said crtrrss did the worst thing he could possibly do with a piece of tempered glass. Had it been a wood floor, vinyl tile, linoleum or laminate he would still probably have a complete piece of glass. And one could consider what that piece has already been through in its life. Did crtrrss remove the glass from the cab when he picked it up and moved it into his house? I doubt it. Any arcade cab that has tempered glass, should have it removed before moving the cabinet. As a cab is moved over things like door thresholds no matter how solid the cab may be it will still tweak a bit and pinch the glass. Considering how old that cab is and if it was in the wild and moved without having the glass removed it's always a gamble. But he set fire to the gasoline basically setting it on ceramic . If he does go for glass again it MUST be tempered.

If you can find a glass service in your area that has an oven on site and they do cash and carry a piece of 1/4" thick tv glass (it's a biz term) tempered say 23 1/2" x 26" will run about $46. Retail price mark that up 50~80%.


good day.

[Unstupid]

What he said!

[sandheaver]

I agree on the breakage pattern, but glass in an environment where people tap corners of it on the tile floor is not an environment where glass should be utilized.

Tempered glass is everywhere. Shower doors, cutting boards, retail store fronts, windows, sliding patio doors, arcade games, cocktail tables, picnic tables, cell phones, cars, ice arenas and the list could go on and on. But as I said crtrrss did the worst thing he could possibly do with a piece of tempered glass. Had it been a wood floor, vinyl tile, linoleum or laminate he would still probably have a complete piece of glass. And one could consider what that piece has already been through in its life. Did crtrrss remove the glass from the cab when he picked it up and moved it into his house? I doubt it. Any arcade cab that has tempered glass, should have it removed before moving the cabinet. As a cab is moved over things like door thresholds no matter how solid the cab may be it will still tweak a bit and pinch the glass. Considering how old that cab is and if it was in the wild and moved without having the glass removed it's always a gamble. But he set fire to the gasoline basically setting it on ceramic . If he does go for glass again it MUST be tempered.

If you can find a glass service in your area that has an oven on site and they do cash and carry a piece of 1/4" thick tv glass (it's a biz term) tempered say 23 1/2" x 26" will run about $46. Retail price mark that up 50~80%.


good day.

Fine, you win.  Holy hell.

[DaveMMR]

If he does go for glass again it MUST be tempered. If you try to use un tempered cut glass in arcade game, you would be cut to the bones in you hand just putting it in.

Okay I don't know much about glass. The piece I got was untempered but I can totally carry and hold it without cutting myself (whatever it is they do to the edges, whatever they call it, that's what it was that made it safe to carry around.)

And heck if that thing wasn't tough as nails. Still survived even after the rest of my cab was tossed.

Yeah but if you can temper it, it's probably better for piece of mind.

[kahlid74]

Oh my goodness, how did I miss this thread.

I think you're too high into the "sky's the limit" with this thing.  You're trying to build what will become a semi-complex networked system and at the same time design an arcade machine with lots of cool stuff many people have worked very hard to build/incorporate.  You need to focus on one or the other and then really push to completion.  So often is it easy to do something and then not actually reach completion or get sidetracked.

Now onto technology.  So you're going to stream mame from a server to your cabinet.  You don't need FreeNAS to do this, only one server with SMB shares as others have stated.  Additionally FreeNAS is a piece of junk throughput wise, so stay away from it if you can.  I see you have an HP 1U server.  Will you be using Both NICs to transfer data?  What type of switching systems will you be using?  I saw mention of Thin Client in the thread but don't remember you saying whether you would have an actual computer in the arcade cabinet.  If you roll TC don't forget the severe limitations of TC/VM in a box graphics options unless of corse we're talking nVidia CAD cards for monster boxes.

[Malenko]

may I suggest you start with a basic cabinet, get it done, then slowly upgrade it to Version 2.0 ? Basic cab = local PC, street fighter layout for 2 players, no trackball, spinners, LEDs,etc

as for the front glass, get a piece of plexi for the front for now, its what I used on the ShoRyuKade:

[sandheaver]

Oh my goodness, how did I miss this thread.

I think you're too high into the "sky's the limit" with this thing.  You're trying to build what will become a semi-complex networked system and at the same time design an arcade machine with lots of cool stuff many people have worked very hard to build/incorporate.  You need to focus on one or the other and then really push to completion.  So often is it easy to do something and then not actually reach completion or get sidetracked.

Now onto technology.  So you're going to stream mame from a server to your cabinet.  You don't need FreeNAS to do this, only one server with SMB shares as others have stated.  Additionally FreeNAS is a piece of junk throughput wise, so stay away from it if you can.  I see you have an HP 1U server.  Will you be using Both NICs to transfer data?  What type of switching systems will you be using?  I saw mention of Thin Client in the thread but don't remember you saying whether you would have an actual computer in the arcade cabinet.  If you roll TC don't forget the severe limitations of TC/VM in a box graphics options unless of corse we're talking nVidia CAD cards for monster boxes.

I've seen magic happen with Windows Server 2012, Hyper-V virtual machines, and remote desktop.  Gaming cards work just fine in a RemoteFX solution.  60fps and sub-millisecond response easily obtained (though not always cheaply.)

I would definitely recommend starting small, and expanding, rather than building this out in one big single deployment.

[crtrrss]

So will any viewing problems be caused by 1/8 in plexi? Plexi is cheaper and less fragile so I'm in favor of it

[kahlid74]

So will any viewing problems be caused by 1/8 in plexi? Plexi is cheaper and less fragile so I'm in favor of it

Shouldn't be but there are positives and negatives to using Plexi in this place.  If you do a quick search you should find other threads where there's lots of information dealing with this.

I've seen magic happen with Windows Server 2012, Hyper-V virtual machines, and remote desktop.  Gaming cards work just fine in a RemoteFX solution.  60fps and sub-millisecond response easily obtained (though not always cheaply.)

I would definitely recommend starting small, and expanding, rather than building this out in one big single deployment.

You have links?  I've got a whee bit of experience with Hyper-V/VMware and what you're talking about, to my knowledge is achieved with graphics cards specifically built for terminalization.  Off the shelf graphics cards do not perform the way you've described them above.

[sandheaver]

You have links?  I've got a whee bit of experience with Hyper-V/VMware and what you're talking about, to my knowledge is achieved with graphics cards specifically built for terminalization.  Off the shelf graphics cards do not perform the way you've described them above.

Off the shelf, gaming GPUs don't always work, but some do, and none are officially supported.  What I saw was such a card, and while it was kind of forced to work, it did work, with a few little annoying issues.  There was also a very powerful server wrapped around that card, and enterprise network gear between, but the client side was a very small, cheap terminal client.

I imagine that RemoteFX-certified Workstation class cards would work fine for MAME since i'm pretty sure the actual number of triangles actually rendered is very low.  I've done lots of gaming on workstation-class cards and they certainly perform well enough for actual 3D stuff.  Stands to reason that a workstation class card would do fine, but I've not seen this configuration with my own eyes.

[stuckpixel]

This whole remotely streamed arcade seems a bit silly. Overengineering the problem is going to result in unnecessary complication and multiple points of failure.

Slap a decent motherboard/processor/GPU in the box. Use the onboard NIC and share your stuff on SMB if you want to be able to use the ROMS on another machine.

It's fine if you want to build a FreeNAS or another NAS box -- and it's fine to dabble with virtualization -- but you seem to be attempting to engineer solutions to a problem you aren't likely to have.

How often will you actually be 'streaming' arcade games to anything other than your cabinet? And why on earth would you want to play your arcade games on anything other than your cabinet if you have it built?

Focus on doing something cool/innovative with your arcade build -- there's a reason that the computer stuff generally isn't complicated (it's because it doesn't need to be).

[sandheaver]

Yeah, I agree.  We went off on a different conversation, there.

I really don't understand when people feel they need every single version of every single emulated game in their cabinet.  No one is going to play all of the hundreds of Amcoe games.  No one.  No one is going to play all 20 or so SF2 clones & bootlegs often enough that they need them each in the menu.

This whole sense that you must have everything... that's the cause of a lot of trouble in the world outside of emulation, and the cause of a lot of trouble inside the world of emulation.  Worry about what you need, and nothing else.  Better yet, worry about what you legally own, and nothing else.

If OP has the full CHD set, even for games they'll NEVER play, I can understand where the desire to centralize originates.  Takes a long while to pull down enough of a CHD over a network to get started in an emulator, and folks that have every single game in their menu seem to do so because they can't just pick a game and play it, alone, for a few days.

But, yes.  If you can't fit everything you want on a computer in the cabinet, maybe it's time to really survey what you need and what you don't.  You most definitely do not need everything.

[crtrrss]

I currently don't have a home for my server because of heat issues in its only eligible spots so I'm just going to install freeNAS on an old desktop. I'm moving in approximately 6 months so i might set up something like that there where I will have an actual server rack

[crtrrss]

Oh and I want to use NAS so I can have my PS2 games. I play that on other things

[Malenko]

Oh and I want to use NAS so I can have my PS2 games. I play that on other things

so just pluggin a 2TB drive in a desktop isnt an option?

[Drnick]

@Malenko, I'm sure that plugging in a 2TB Drive directly to the Desktop would work fine, but if he has a nas he can just plug the 2TB into that and share it up.  This saves him from having to open up the arcade machine and put in/remove the drive etc for updates and/or not having it in the Box means 1 less PSU connection required. It does almost make sense. (But it means that rather then 1 device (Arcade) having to use electricity he will have 2 (Arcade & Desktop).  Not the most energy efficient method of playing games.

@ Crtrrss = If you are streaming the files for your PS2 games to a modded PS2 (This is possible although it is truly slow due to the 10Mb ethernet on the PS2) then yeah the NAS kinda makes sense.  In fact installing Freenas on an old desktop makes sense if you have different flavours of system that need to access files and you want everything available to you but just want a small hdd in your cabinet.

There is one proviso to all of this, all the emulators, all the art files and whatever front end you use will all want to be stored on the local hdd.  The roms and videos are fine being stored on a Nas.

At least what you are attempting makes more sense when you remove server 2012 out of the equation.

I think for now you should concentrate on getting the cab all up and running and then go back and revisit the software and the best way to get what you want later.

[crtrrss]

Hmmmmm. That ps2 playing Roms idea is interesting. I might get a 10/100 USB Ethernet connector for that

[Drnick]

For a brief moment I thought we were getting somewhere,  How wrong I was.

Hmmmmm. That ps2 playing Roms idea is interesting. I might get a 10/100 USB Ethernet connector for that

As they say in "Dragons Den"

[Malenko]

For a brief moment I thought we were getting somewhere,  How wrong I was.

Now you understand why I am encouraging him to put a 2TB drive in a local machine and stop with all this unneeded networking, NAS, Server, terminal servers. thin clients, etcetera ?

I think I'll tap out too.

[sandheaver]

For a brief moment I thought we were getting somewhere,  How wrong I was.

Now you understand why I am encouraging him to put a 2TB drive in a local machine and stop with all this unneeded networking, NAS, Server, terminal servers. thin clients, etcetera ?

I think I'll tap out too.

Yes, but you understand why he wants to, right?  He'll have multiple emulator machines around the house.

I will not argue for one moment that I think the server/client idea is a good one, but I understand why he approached it this way.

[brihyn]

I would think you could simply put the batch of roms onto the primary gaming rig, create a share, and connect to this share from the other emulator pc's, rather than spool up a Win2k12 server, deal with the cooling, etc.
Then again, what do I know...it's not like I'm a network engineer.

[epicfatigue]

Sorry top chime in here, i understand why you want the server,
But tackle it from a different approach, because believe me you will never get the result you want this way, i don't want to come across as rude but i also don't want you to waste your money on something that just wont work for you.

Get a desktop or convert your Rack to go in the machine, your going to have to modify a lot for this cooling the unit itself as form factor will be an issue.

However as i was saying take it from a different approach, make your machine have the ability to play games through the internet with your friends.
having lans is kool, but as you get older you will find friend disappear people move on you will move out you wont have the space you have always have etc etc etc i could go on forever there.

So with that note make your machine able to play your classics and the new and be able to play through steam etc etc with your mates they will be using their computers you will be using you mame machine.

Have a little look at some of the features in my machine, they might be something you like the concept of.
I am a rookie in this field, but i do have a large amount of skills i have acquired in life.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,131026.0.html

[crtrrss]

Was 5ghz really necessary on your machine?

[epicfatigue]

Was 5ghz really necessary on your machine?

Yes, i wanted to be able to play Gauntlet Legends, it was a favorite of mine and it had to be on there, it stuttered at 3ghz playable at 4Ghz smooth as silk at 5Ghz, the unit can hit just under 6Ghz but i don't feel the need for it to be at that all the time.

I Just wanted to show you that you can create this LAN environment by making use of the Internet.

Good luck with you build.

Take it slow do things right, you have all the time in the world, majority of us on here have family kids etc etc
The only time i get is in my lunch break.

Good luck have fun play hard

[Malenko]

Yes, but you understand why he wants to, right?  He'll have multiple emulator machines around the house.

I will not argue for one moment that I think the server/client idea is a good one, but I understand why he approached it this way.

Nope, the odds of him needing every rom, CHD, ISO etc on every machine is slim to none. He can share a folder on a machine and not need a server. If he has one really good computer why would he want to go play on another one? Why build a MAME cab then go play street fighter on a keyboard in your closet? Then again, what do I know...it's not like I'm a network engineer too.

Wait yeah, I am (probably just like brihyn)

[DaveMMR]

Yes, but you understand why he wants to, right?  He'll have multiple emulator machines around the house.

I will not argue for one moment that I think the server/client idea is a good one, but I understand why he approached it this way.

Nope, the odds of him needing every rom, CHD, ISO etc on every machine is slim to none. He can share a folder on a machine and not need a server. If he has one really good computer why would he want to go play on another one? Why build a MAME cab then go play street fighter on a keyboard in your closet? Then again, what do I know...it's not like I'm a network engineer too.

Wait yeah, I am (probably just like brihyn)

Yeah, it seems like one of those ideas that's seems good on paper but completely impractical in reality. Forget even sharing - why not just get a bunch of external hard drives and hook them up to other places (or move it around - do you need to play Donkey Kong in one part of the house while another is playing Super Mario World?). And if the idea is to stream from some portable hardware (like a PSP or something) then why even bother building an arcade cabinet, anyway?

I know a lot of this is 'because I want to prove I can', but there's a big difference between 'can' and 'should'.

[powtripp]

But guys, this is the technology of the future... streaming games. Arcade machines will eventually be nothing more than a monitor screen, controls, and an internet connection....

http://www.onlive.com/

Seems interesting to me.

[jammin0]

But guys, this is the technology of the future... streaming games. Arcade machines will eventually be nothing more than a monitor screen, controls, and an internet connection....

http://www.onlive.com/

Seems interesting to me.

This business model hasn't really taken off like they claimed it would.
http://techland.time.com/2012/08/20/onlive-launches-new-company-to-avoid-bankruptcy/

Besides, I thought the whole point of arcade cabinets was the nostalgia of the old thing.  I am not old enough or purist enough to completely understand it but people spend hundreds to thousands of dollars restoring cabinets with only one game.  It has nothing to do with the future.

50 years from now 90% of the population might use an electric vehicle but I bet there will still be people restoring classic cars.

[mcseforsale]

It'd be easy enough to do in an arcade setting with a good wireless setup and some thin-clients.  So, you could have 50 cabinets each with a thin client in each one running a served mame setup.  That'd be pretty easy.  Now with HP thin clients going for 80 bux/dozen, it would be fairly cheap, too.

But, why? When you can get an off-lease 2Ghz core-2 for 99 bux.

AJ

[sandheaver]

But, why? When you can get an off-lease 2Ghz core-2 for 99 bux.

where?

[mcseforsale]

Just sign up for emails from tigerdirect and/or geeks.com.  You'll see them flash around.

AJ

But, why? When you can get an off-lease 2Ghz core-2 for 99 bux.

where?

[JDFan]

But, why? When you can get an off-lease 2Ghz core-2 for 99 bux.

where?

Here's one example with a Pentium D 3.2 GHz. dual core : ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wholesale-IBM-M55-3-2-GHZ-OFF-LEASE-Ultra-Small-USFF-/290592553702#vi-content )

Specifications:

Processor : Pentium D 3.2 GHZ, 64-bit ready. Multi-core (2 total)

RAM : 1 GB (2 slots can be easily upgraded)

Hard Drive : SATA 80GB (easily upgraded)

CD\DVD Drive

Front Ports : Headphone, Microphone, 2 High Speed USB

Rear Ports : 1 PCI Slot Free, 2 Sound Line In, 4 High Speed USB, LPT, VGA, Serial, Network Jack

Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet

SoundMAX SoundCard

Intel(R) Q965/Q963 Express Chipset

[crtrrss]

Well..... That got off topic. I'm gonna end that here. Always check EBay (or Craigslist if u live in a large city) for off lease computers. I will buy plexi soon and I'm wiring the machine right now

[DaveMMR]

But guys, this is the technology of the future... streaming games. Arcade machines will eventually be nothing more than a monitor screen, controls, and an internet connection....

http://www.onlive.com/

Seems interesting to me.

Streaming games? Yay, an arcade machine that will depend on an internet connection. It's retro goodness mashed together with the crippling restrictions of DRM (Hey, have you played the new SimCity? Of course not - no one can!)

Not that these games take up so much space that you need to store them remotely anyhow. It's a solution to a problem no one has.

[crtrrss]

Exactly. Hard drives are only getting cheaper

[Unstupid]

It's a solution to a problem no one has.

[crtrrss]

Well I got my machine running. I also added the buttons to the control panel. I will post more pics when I'm done wiring. For now, I took off the coin box thingy and found the coin counter.... Someone made a LOT of $ off this machine

[epicfatigue]

Well I got my machine running. I also added the buttons to the control panel. I will post more pics when I'm done wiring. For now, I took off the coin box thingy and found the coin counter.... Someone made a LOT of $ off this machine

You should reset that to 0 and wire it into your cabinet its a awesome addition to the cabinet, its very simple too.

[crtrrss]

I don't plan on using coins. Ill install a button on the machine that counts as that later. For now, I just press 5 on the keyboard

[DaveMMR]

For aesthetics, stick a microswitch behind the coin rejects to trigger the credits. (Assuming you have a working coin door, I forgot and don't feel like digging through this thread right now.) Looks better than a button and it can still accept coins too as sort of a very large piggy bank.

[crtrrss]

The coin door is completely screwed up. There is no way I could use it at all. I am thinking about copying the barcade idea and putting a mini fridge down there instead

[Endprodukt]

Haha, this is getting out of control.

[crtrrss]

Maybe so

[crtrrss]

I am trying to get the ultimate machine (in my standards)  for my room. My family is building a house that will have enough room for the arcade machine in my room. This would be my main gaming rig

[crtrrss]

As for me, a way to keep my Mountain Dew cold is a necessity while gaming

[chopperthedog]

Dude find the "modify post" button. And for F sake learn how to post pics properly.

Oh, mountain dew will have you diabetic before you're 20.


good day.

[Malenko]

The coin door is completely screwed up. There is no way I could use it at all. I am thinking about copying the barcade idea and putting a mini fridge down there instead

I stand by my suggestion that you get a function arcade machine first, add the bells and whistles later.

[Endprodukt]

If ultimate means ridiculous in this case I totally agree.

[crtrrss]

If ultimate means ridiculous in this case I totally agree.

Yes, yes it does

[stripe4]

Read through the thread and the only thing I could come up with is this:

[chopperthedog]

^^^LOL!!!



good day.

[stripe4]

But in all seriousness, get yourself a dedicated NAS box - Synology DiskStation, QNAP or something similar. This unit alone will provide 90% of solutions to your networking, rom and media sharing and other ideas.

Not only that, you can also:
put it in a closet and not worry about heat (as opposed to the server, actually lack of proper cooling could be a fire hazard, too)
set it up to turn off during nights and turn back on in the morning (electricity costs money)

I'm just afraid all this virtualization you intend to do will mean less enjoying stuff and more configuring it.

[drventure]

I'm just afraid all this virtualization you intend to do will mean less enjoying stuff and more configuring it.

Amen. Unless you're just REALLY into setup and config and maintenance of multiple units, a bunch of infrastructure will get old FAST.

Build a box, slap a PC with a 2TB drive in it and your mame cab is done.

If you want to serve up media, get another box with 2 big drives, mirror them, and load it up with your media. Backup your GAMES folder from the Mame box to your media box, and then backup all your media to the cloud.

If you really want simple, build a Jukebox separately, and just put your media there, don't worry about streaming/virtualization/etc/etc at all.


Now, that's assuming you're not shooting for am MCSE or some other certification. Hell, I had win server with MSSQL and Exchange running for years while I was learning how to admin that stuff. But, that got old, and I moved to GMail and SQLExpress. Now, my server is just one big mirrored network drive that backs itself up to the cloud. Really simple.

[lordnacho]

I'm still thinking everyone is replying to an advanced spambot.  It's a learning computa'

[crtrrss]

I would be the worlds best spambot then

[yotsuya]

I would be the worlds best spambot then

The world's best spambot could have got us those monitors for $80 shipped. 

[Endprodukt]

Haha

[Unstupid]

I would be the worlds best spambot then

The world's best spambot could have got us those monitors for $80 shipped. 

What monitors did I miss out on?

[yotsuya]

What monitors did I miss out on?

 

[yotsuya]

Awww... the thread is gone.... 

[crtrrss]

I miscalculated a wee bit lol. I asked a bunch of ppl but the specs that were required were very rare and specific so I got turned down

[Endprodukt]

As everyone said and predicted.

[RyoriNoTetsujin]

I'm not usually one to say something like this (even as a joke, which this is intended to be) but...

... I just want to point out that this thread over here started on November 1, 2012

crtrrss joined on... you guessed it... November 2, 2012.

Coincidence?  I think not. 
  

[crtrrss]

I'm not usually one to say something like this (even as a joke, which this is intended to be) but...

... I just want to point out that this thread over here started on November 1, 2012

crtrrss joined on... you guessed it... November 2, 2012.

Coincidence?  I think not. 
  

I have no reason to hack any1 on this forum. Although, that is a funny coincidence

[MTPPC]

I do something similar. I have sdlmame on my xbmc box and I store all my ROMS on my home media server. I use it absolutely never because I use my Ms. Pac-mame for  single player, my MVC2 hyperspin rig for two player and my pinball simulator for pinball. There is absolutely no reason to stream gaming to multiple locations in one's home.

Now putting your game rig on the cloud might be a little different, but I don't think that's the objective here.

[crtrrss]

The only games I will store via NAS are for PS2. I own a 3tb hard drive and it has my ps2 Isos as well as my music and movies.

[CoryBee]

I'm not usually one to say something like this (even as a joke, which this is intended to be) but...
... I just want to point out that this thread over here started on November 1, 2012
crtrrss joined on... you guessed it... November 2, 2012.
Coincidence?  I think not. 
  

[crtrrss]

What is the best thing to use as a marquee light? Could you submit a link too? (Preferably on eBay or amazon)

[yotsuya]

Try cold cathode tubes. They're easy to use with a computer setup, and not too bright.

[crtrrss]

Oh is there anything that could be controlled by a PAC-drive?

[dextercf]

Fiskepinner

[crtrrss]

fish fingers in Norwegian??

[crtrrss]

Ok I have all the buttons in place and I've put all the wires into the IPAC ahead of time. All I need to do now is get plexi ( or tempered glass. For some reason, tempered glass is cheaper than good plexi) and I also need to mount the joysticks. I will do that during spring break. after that, I just add a few features ad it's done!

[dextercf]

fish fingers in Norwegian??

Helt riktig. Veldig godt gjort!

[maffewl]

Fiskepinner

Helt tilfeldig.

[kahlid74]

What is the best thing to use as a marquee light? Could you submit a link too? (Preferably on eBay or amazon)

You can get an LED strip and then wire it to the 12Volt from your PC PSU or you can get a cheap fluorescent light from Menard's or HD.

[Malenko]

What is the best thing to use as a marquee light? Could you submit a link too? (Preferably on eBay or amazon)

You can get an LED strip and then wire it to the 12Volt from your PC PSU or you can get a cheap fluorescent light from Menard's or HD.

^^ This. You can get them at Walmart and Lowes too.

with some aluminum foil, you too can have a ghetto light reflector!

[crtrrss]

That aluminum foil thing is a good idea. Ill probably do that

[dextercf]

Or just order som chinese led strips off ebay..?

[sandheaver]

Or just order som chinese led strips off ebay..?

Or order from the US: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10261

Any color you want, and you can change the color whenever you want.  Not that you'd want anything besides white, usually, but the option to tint a particular color could be useful.

[jammin0]

I bet those come from China as well, just paying extra for having someone else import them for ya.

[sandheaver]

I bet those come from China as well, just paying extra for having someone else import them for ya.

Seems to me that shipping would be less per unit if you buy from a distributor in the US who gets 1000 units at a time.  Plus you're not paying for shipping from China, you're paying for shipping from Colorado. 

There's markup this way, though.

Still, I'd rather give someone in the US my money than someone else, if at all possible.

[jammin0]

I'm totally with you where possible.  I've seen a few LED strips that are made in China but then have gone through a more rigorous quality check here in the US and they would cost closer to $30 for the same thing.

Shipping can take 2-3 weeks from China air mail but here is the same type of thing for $11 with free shipping:
http://dx.com/p/rgb-multicolored-1-meter-30-led-6w-light-strip-dc-12v-14965

If you don't mind paying twice that after shipping you will get it in 1/3 the time and have a better transaction / better customer service if your order goes wrong. I buy USA when I can.

[crtrrss]

I have a 6m strand if this stuff with a remote.  Works great. I never thought of using it in a marquee. I might order some later

[mcseforsale]

CCFLs FTW.

http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g6/c75/s1570/list/p1/Lighting-Cold_Cathode_-_Kits-6_Dual_CCFL-Page1.html
AJ

[griffindodd]

I used LED strip for the Marquee lighting in Revolution...

[crtrrss]

I used LED strip for the Marquee lighting in Revolution...

That's a good idea. Ill probably do that.

Also, is there a limit to how many LEDS you can ground from one ground slot on a PAC-Drive?

[crtrrss]

I got the joysticks mounted today. Ill upload a picture when it is complete

[mcseforsale]

Without neat wiring, it's a fail.  Take your time.

AJ

[crtrrss]

Ok. I reused the wires that came with the machine because they were color coated and that gives me another sense of neatness

[brihyn]

Feeling some withdrawal. Where are the updates to this totally overkill build?

[Nephasth]

[chopperthedog]

wow pre anthrax days. Didn't know.


good day.

[mcseforsale]

Holy bootleg cassette trading batman!   

AJ

[kahlid74]

I like how the one guy is standing on a milk carton crate.  High class picture!

[Nephasth]

Who? Rat Skates? Yeah, he's the runt of the litter.

[crtrrss]

Sorry I haven't posted anything. I'm pretty sure that my puppy stole and chewed up my joystick wires because it is missing and I've been finding bits of wire around the house so I ordered a replacement one from Paradise Arcade but they still haven't shipped it.

[chopperthedog]

ahhhh, the old dog ate my homework excuse. I remember using that one when I was 10.



good day.

[crtrrss]

I also ordered a 5m strand of LEDs for the marquee... And they're RGB!! I'm broke PayPal-wise and Ebay's a ---smurfette--- to new sellers, so they won't let me list a lot of things. I will get a controller that dances to sound, so the light will dance to the sounds of the game

[crtrrss]

by the way, does anyone on this forum have need for DDR ECC 184-pin RAM?? I bought a p-series server recently that I salvaged and found 32 2gb sticks of it

[crtrrss]

I also have a phenom x4 9650 2.3 Ghz that im selling for $50

[Dawgz Rule]

How about some updated pics?   Also, please fix your picture.....what happened to haterade or whatever it was?

[yotsuya]

How about some updated pics?   Also, please fix your picture.....what happened to haterade or whatever it was?

You gotta earn Haterade.

[crtrrss]

I won't be able to work on the machine for a while... It is my teachers' sole goal to make my life living hell before summer break by giving me as much ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- as possible and I have 5 lacrosse games in the next 6 days, so I'm preoccupied

[dextercf]

Awwww.. And i thought we where just about to see pics of that joystick you got mounted last month..

[Malenko]

is this where I brag about getting a Seagate BlackArmor NAS (4x 1TB RAID 5 = 2.74 TB of storage) ? Not for MAME though, gonna just be for good old data storage.

[Drnick]

And back under the bridge heads crtrrss.

[crtrrss]

And back under the bridge heads crtrrss.

Nah I'm going simple. I have a desktop with a 320gb hdd and that's all I need..

I will upload a pic when I have everything wired and configured but that'll take a while... Sadly, my harness for one of my joysticks went missing and I have to find something that works. I have tried many things, but I've had no success. Any ideas?? I've looked around for a while for a replacement but I can't find one.....

In the mean time, I will try to get all the LEDS working. I still have to buy a LED strand for my marquee and I need a marquee.... Any marquee suggestions?

[retrostark]

nice setup, nothing is overkill when it comes to arcade cabinets.

[epicfatigue]

And back under the bridge heads crtrrss.

Nah I'm going simple. I have a desktop with a 320gb hdd and that's all I need..

I will upload a pic when I have everything wired and configured but that'll take a while... Sadly, my harness for one of my joysticks went missing and I have to find something that works. I have tried many things, but I've had no success. Any ideas?? I've looked around for a while for a replacement but I can't find one.....

In the mean time, I will try to get all the LEDS working. I still have to buy a LED strand for my marquee and I need a marquee.... Any marquee suggestions?

Im Guessing you have another harness for the other Joystick.

So Just get some flexi core wire and hard solder them on, this will create a new harness for you.
Alot of arcades hard solder their leads on when they break from use.
I Personally remove connectors and solder directly, can makes things neater and also never have to worry about corrosion and them comming lose etc etc 

[yotsuya]

nice setup, nothing is overkill when it comes to arcade cabinets.

http://www.wickedretarded.com/~crapmame/4.html

http://www.wickedretarded.com/~crapmame/6.html

[crtrrss]

Ill try to get the soldering done this weekend.

[crtrrss]

Soldering finished! I just need to wire the LEDs and fix the software problems and add accessories. After that, in done!

[sandheaver]

nice setup, nothing is overkill when it comes to arcade cabinets.

http://www.wickedretarded.com/~crapmame/4.html

http://www.wickedretarded.com/~crapmame/6.html

That site needs to be updated.  There are so many more instances of poor design.

[dextercf]

And still no pics..

[crtrrss]

Sorry bro. I'm still working out the software kinks and I have to get the LEDs working

[epicfatigue]

Sorry bro. I'm still working out the software kinks and I have to get the LEDs working

i find people like to see the transformation as it happens more then the end result.
People like to feel a connection with what it is you are doing and how you did it.

Don't feel like anything you do is not worthy of a picture, everyone has different skills and someone will always have a skill that will surprise someone.

But more to the fact you might take a picture of something you are doing and someone may be able to say hey do it this way or see a problem you don't right up until its to late.

I post everything i do the good the bad the dodgy because someone might be able to assist me do it better.

[crtrrss]

Ok I'll try to post 1 tomorrow. I'm conflicted between gameex and hyperspin. Which one would you recommend? The interface is better on gameex but it has too many extra features and hyperspin has a sucky interface, but is good feature- wise. Which would you choose?

[epicfatigue]

Personally I use gameex.

You can configure it how you wish.
Supports 7zip so dc and PlayStation doesnt chew up all your space. Has a direct plugin for steam and xpadder.

[yotsuya]

Hyperspin 4 lyf.

[crtrrss]

Personally I use gameex.

You can configure it how you wish.
Supports 7zip so dc and PlayStation doesnt chew up all your space. Has a direct plugin for steam and xpadder.

That's nice. I have a steam and that would be cool, so ill use gameex. I will post pics and start configuring again when summer starts. I am completely wrapped up in exam study guides and studying right now

[sabreerbasAlpha]

Im amazed members just haven't given up on this..8 pages of talk. POST SOME PICTURES.....

You keep telling us what an expert you are... post something 

[crtrrss]

I just ordered a USB wiimote bar. I will configure that to work with American laser games and other shooters via dolphin. I will also make holsters for the wiimotes ( I have gun attachments) and some way to charge their batteries in the holsters.

[brihyn]

I was a bit confused as to what exactly you were building, but thanks to some great pics of the project that you've been posting along the way, it's all making sense to me now. Thanks for posting!

[yotsuya]

I was a bit confused as to what exactly you were building, but thanks to some great pics of the project that you've been posting along the way, it's all making sense to me now. Thanks for posting!

 

[epicfatigue]

Well i will be opting out for this one, every time i get a reminder to look at the thread i don't seem to see any pictures/evidence on what is happening and i don't feel i can contribute without it.

Sorry crtrrss i tried, but it only takes 30 seconds to take a picture with your phone and make it public then l;ink the URL.

[crtrrss]

---fudgesicle--- this forum. I'm out. No more posting here

[yotsuya]

What a ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?---.

[sabreerbasAlpha]

I was a bit confused as to what exactly you were building, but thanks to some great pics of the project that you've been posting along the way, it's all making sense to me now. Thanks for posting!

     PiCtUrEs   

[kahlid74]

As the saying goes, Pics or it didn't happen!

[jmike]

As the saying goes, Pics or it didn't happen!

Guess it didn't happen.


 

[Rick]