Author Topic: I have now tried Virtual Reality and it is amazing (Read 272361 times)

pbj · « **Reply #800 on:** July 05, 2018, 05:32:38 pm »

In the Littlstar app, there's a 20 minute video with the Obamas giving a tour of the Whitehouse. It was actually quite interesting and well done.

fallacy · « **Reply #801 on:** July 06, 2018, 01:18:35 pm »

Knuckles evolution

this controller is going to jump vr another 2 steps into the future.

dkersten · « **Reply #802 on:** July 06, 2018, 02:42:47 pm »

I went to fire up the Vive the other day and one base station is throwing a fault. Gimbal wore out and it won't spin up to speed any more. $90 and 5 weeks if I send it in for repair, $135 for a new one on Amazon, delivered Monday. If it had been a glitch in the HMD, I would have just put the $135 toward a pro, but since it is a base station, even if I upgrade I need to replace or repair this one... Bummer. Oh well, I just ordered a new one.

Also turns out there is a new v2.0 base station for the pro with 12 LED's instead of 9. It is not compatible with the original vive, and it won't work with a v1.0 (only comes if you buy the complete pro set). Guessing it makes tracking a bit better (i.e. maintains better visibility with the HMD).

I can still use the vive with one base station, but it loses tracking pretty easily, so action games are out until the new base station arrives. I'm so tempted to order the pro upgrade but I've been hemorrhaging money with building the theater, I just can't swallow spending 8 bills for a toy I use once every few months...

RandyT · « **Reply #803 on:** July 09, 2018, 12:01:07 pm »

Quote from: dkersten on July 06, 2018, 02:42:47 pm

I'm so tempted to order the pro upgrade but I've been hemorrhaging money with building the theater, I just can't swallow spending 8 bills for a toy I use once every few months...

If I were in your shoes, I would strongly consider a Samsung Odyssey, which can sometimes be had for $399 on sale. Depending on the titles you like to play, you might not even miss the lighthouse tracking. It would give you most of the benefits of the Vive Pro, while you wait for the next generation of devices. If you end up with two functional lighthouses, it's even possible to use your Vive controls with it.

The 2.0 lighthouses probably aren't more accurate, but they are cheaper to produce and less prone to failure (only one motor.) They also increase the range, which may or may not be a good thing, if your environment is prone to issues from reflective surfaces.

pbj · « **Reply #804 on:** July 09, 2018, 12:12:08 pm »

That controller is pretty cool but I had to chuckle at this, "unique form factor that allows you to let go at any time without dropping the controller." Wrist strap confirmed.

RandyT · « **Reply #805 on:** July 09, 2018, 03:10:06 pm »

Quote from: pbj on July 09, 2018, 12:12:08 pm

That controller is pretty cool but I had to chuckle at this, "unique form factor that allows you to let go at any time without dropping the controller." Wrist strap confirmed.

If you are referring to the "knuckles" controller, it's not a wrist strap. The latest iteration is actually a well-though-out, adjustable band which extends across the back of the user's hand, and which also positions the controller to take proper advantage of the capacitive finger sensors. This affixes the controller to your hand, be it open or closed. A wrist strap just lets a controller dangle when dropped.

pbj · « **Reply #806 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:04:14 am »

Ah, yes, sorry. "Hand strap." They're $5 on Amazon.

RandyT · « **Reply #807 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:44:17 am »

Quote from: pbj on July 10, 2018, 10:04:14 am

They're $5 on Amazon.

No link = doesn't exist

nexusmtz · « **Reply #808 on:** July 11, 2018, 02:12:29 am »

Reminded me a lot of a camcorder strap. They're also commonly used for SLR cameras. Doesn't make it a bad thing, as long as nobody thinks they invented it.

RandyT · « **Reply #809 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:21:45 pm »

I can't believe we are discussing this (thanks Jim.)

They said it was "unique", but that doesn't imply a new invention. It is unique to the way any other VR controller is currently being used. Now, if there were other contraptions out there, or even after-market add-ons which affixed a VR controller to the users' hand so absolute positioning isn't lost, I could understand. But just the fact that they have gone through several iterations of the design just to get it right, should indicate that this isn't your grandma's camcorder strap

pbj · « **Reply #810 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:41:37 pm »

Skryim PSVR is down to $30 on Amazon... I feel like this will be $20 soon, but it's been banned until the dissertation was written...

pbj · « **Reply #811 on:** July 20, 2018, 09:45:25 am »

So, yeah, Skyrim. It’s janky but wow.

fallacy · « **Reply #812 on:** July 21, 2018, 11:14:42 am »

I work with a guy and he keeps talking about how he is addicted to Skyrim Vr, I am just like really why? the added VR interactions suck, the game just looks like Skyrim, VR does not seem to add much of anything to it. Turns out he has never played Skyrim or any of the Elder scroll games before. For me I am like one of the only handful of people that played Arena which was their first open world game back with my 486 computer. I was addicted to it because I had never experienced an open world game before. So I guess if you have never experienced the magic of an Elder scroll game being introduced to it in VR is a good way.

pbj · « **Reply #813 on:** July 21, 2018, 07:48:58 pm »

Let people enjoy things.

RandyT · « **Reply #814 on:** July 23, 2018, 10:43:51 am »

I've never played Skyrim in pancake, so it's on my list for when a good sale comes along. The style of game never really appealed to me that much, but I expect that it would be more entertaining in VR.

opt2not · « **Reply #815 on:** July 23, 2018, 01:30:13 pm »

I'm interested in how an open-world game plays in VR. But I can't play through Skyrim, or Fallout 4 again. No, I'd like to see a open-world VR game that isn't a port of an existing one. Something that is built for VR from the get-go. Sadly, no one is going to take on that kind of investment for VR right now. We're not there yet where original AAA game budgets are going to see the light of day in VR. Not until VR set-ups get cheaper, and the user base is much larger.

05SRT4 · « **Reply #816 on:** July 24, 2018, 03:51:18 am »

ViveCraft (MineCraft) has been the best port IMO. I played the forest in VR last night and it was janky as hell, couldn't play more then an hour before taking the headset off.

A ground up open world would be awesome but you are right, no one is going to invest their time and money.

Mike A · « **Reply #817 on:** July 24, 2018, 05:27:28 am »

Open world VR porn with FFB....on your junk.

pbj · « **Reply #818 on:** July 24, 2018, 09:39:24 am »

Easier to just sit on your hand for a couple minutes and put your face 4 inches away from the TV.....

opt2not · « **Reply #819 on:** August 14, 2018, 10:43:53 am »

I haven’t gone through all 21 pages of this thread, but has anyone tried VR painting and animation? There’s a program called Quill that you can paint in VR and it also supports animation frames.

Goro Fujita’s stuff is incredible. He’s got a bunch of clips of some wonderful VR paintings, and I believe he does daily paintings as well. I could se myself getting into VR for this stuff.

05SRT4 · « **Reply #820 on:** August 14, 2018, 11:07:28 am »

Very cool, thanks for sharing that.

I have only done a little bit of the Tilt Brush painting and Sculpting.

shponglefan · « **Reply #821 on:** August 14, 2018, 08:54:41 pm »

Quote from: opt2not on August 14, 2018, 10:43:53 am

I haven’t gone through all 21 pages of this thread, but has anyone tried VR painting and animation?

I've played around with Tiltbrush a bit and found it challenging. I consider myself a reasonably competent digital artist, but painting in three dimensions is a whole different level. More akin to sculpting I imagine.

It's really cool to load up things other people have created and just sit inside them. Like being inside a painting. It's trippy and awesome.

shponglefan · « **Reply #822 on:** August 14, 2018, 08:59:11 pm »

New headset news today. StarVR has announced the StarVR One headset: 210 degree FOV (horizontal), built-in eye tracking, 90 Hz AMOLED display, and SteamVR compatible (w/ new 2.0 base stations).

They're apparently targeting enterprise markets and this has led to price rumors of anywhere from $2k to $10k a pop. Still, it's a neat glimpse of VR tech that I imagine will eventually make its way to the consumer level.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/14/starvrs-one-headset-flaunts-eye-tracking-and-a-double-wide-field-of-view/

brandon · « **Reply #823 on:** August 18, 2018, 04:33:00 am »

I wish StarVR would make a cheaper consumer version. I'd be happy with a Vive Pro... But I'm not paying $1500 for that whole setup when it's barely better than the Samsung Odyssey.

shponglefan · « **Reply #824 on:** August 18, 2018, 04:28:51 pm »

Quote from: brandon on August 18, 2018, 04:33:00 am

I wish StarVR would make a cheaper consumer version. I'd be happy with a Vive Pro... But I'm not paying $1500 for that whole setup when it's barely better than the Samsung Odyssey.

Prices should come down all around in time. The Rift and original Vive have fallen at lot in price since launch.

Looks like there is also a new/updated version of the Odyssey in the works as well: https://www.cnet.com/news/samsungs-leaked-odyssey-headset-a-reboot-for-microsofts-vr-ambitions/

brandon · « **Reply #825 on:** August 18, 2018, 04:43:13 pm »

Yeah, i read about the new Odyssey. I own a Rift currently and used to own an Odyssey. I loved the image quality on the Odyssey but the controller tracking was crap for a lot of stuff. The Rift on other hand has great controllers and tracking but the "god rays" drive me nuts.

RandyT · « **Reply #826 on:** August 21, 2018, 11:55:18 am »

If I were to guess, and I am, the new Odyssey model is a refresh in an attempt to address the fitment issues with quite a few users, myself included. I was able to address these with some extra straps and slight modification, but some aren't as handy or willing to go to those lengths for something which should be comfortable out-of-the-box. The on-board bluetooth sounds like a nice addition as well. Not sure what the SDE reduction part is about, but if it ends up being a filter which reduces the image sharpness, I think I'd rather deal with the sub-pixels. There's a bit of silly speculation about native SteamVR compatibility (i.e. lighthouse tracking) but I seriously doubt that this will be the case. It'll be interesting, nonetheless.

On a side note, I put mine on the other night after not using it for a while, and I was absolutely stunned at how fast the controllers are picked back up by the tracking, once it is lost outside the view of the cameras (which is larger than the viewport FOV.) It's literally a seamless re-acquisition now. I.e. I'm not able to see the controller anywhere it should not be now. MS has been doing some great work in the tuning of the Mixed Reality platform since launch, and seems not to show signs of slowing. The PSVR2 had better have some tricks up it's sleeve, if it's going to compete with WMR once it hits the MS consoles.

brandon · « **Reply #827 on:** August 21, 2018, 12:27:31 pm »

An Odyssey with lighthouse would be AMAZING. It would be a death blow to the Vive IMO. I may have to pick up another Odyssey either way. My main issue was controller tracking. Playing archery games was a real chore because tracking close to the face was not good. Maybe they'll address that in the refresh. On a side note, I'd love to see somebody right software to use VR controllers as lightguns for Mame cabinets.

fallacy · « **Reply #828 on:** August 22, 2018, 09:58:16 pm »

I bought the Lenovo because a lot of people were saying it was the best mixed reality set for the price and I got to say I don’t like it at all. I don't find it to be very comfortable it does not sit in a fixed position without wobbling on your head. The worst part of it is that I think the display sucks, It might be a little more clearer when looking directly down the middle of the lenses compared to the Vive and Rift; soon as you shift your eyes blur central, it is unacceptable on how bad it is.

brandon · « **Reply #829 on:** August 22, 2018, 10:09:53 pm »

Yeah, it being out of focus on the edges is due to poor optics. The screen is higher resolution than either Rift or Vive but the optics are crap. Also, it has LCD screens vs the OLED in the Rift, Vive and Odyssey. It's a nice entry into VR if you get one for under $200 but not worth an more than that. My dream setup would have the ergonomics of the Rift, lighthouse tracking of the Vive, high res panels of the Odyssey and non fresnel optics like Gear VR or OSVR HDK. 8 thought about hacking together my own from pieces of different kits but it's just not worth the trouble. People have had luck changing the lenses in the Vive for ones from GearVR. They've also gotten Vive controllers working with the Odyssey. Hopefully within a year or two OpenXR will be a thing and make this much easier.

RandyT · « **Reply #830 on:** August 24, 2018, 01:59:41 pm »

Quote from: brandon on August 22, 2018, 10:09:53 pm

They've also gotten Vive controllers working with the Odyssey.

You're welcome

brandon · « **Reply #831 on:** August 24, 2018, 02:34:26 pm »

Was that you, Randy? Lol i saw the Reddit posts and was immediately upset that I sold my Odyssey. If only i could do the same with my Oculus touch controllers

RandyT · « **Reply #832 on:** August 24, 2018, 03:35:47 pm »

Quote from: brandon on August 24, 2018, 02:34:26 pm

Was that you, Randy? Lol i saw the Reddit posts and was immediately upset that I sold my Odyssey. If only i could do the same with my Oculus touch controllers

I like doing things others claim to be impossible, especially if Vive fanboys are the ones making the claims. Others have picked up on it, and it's supposedly easier now to get things sync'd up. The WMR controls work well enough now for most of the games I enjoy, so I haven't played with the new software yet.

I haven't heard of anyone doing it with the Touch controllers. I think it may be easier with the Vive, as the SteamVR integration is pretty tight with WMR. But if you can get the Rift controllers to be locked into the SteamVR space, and be functional control-wise, the methods should be the same.

brandon · « **Reply #833 on:** August 24, 2018, 07:56:19 pm »

I'd love to ser someone take a WMR headset, put it on top of a Mame cabinet with the cameras facing the players and uae the controllers as lightguns. For $150-200 i think I'd be a nice option. I would think the accuracy would be better than anything else to date aside from CRT based guns. I can believe somebody hasn't done this already. Lighthouse tech would be even better

RandyT · « **Reply #834 on:** August 25, 2018, 01:31:41 am »

Quote from: brandon on August 24, 2018, 07:56:19 pm

I'd love to ser someone take a WMR headset, put it on top of a Mame cabinet with the cameras facing the players and uae the controllers as lightguns. For $150-200 i think I'd be a nice option. I would think the accuracy would be better than anything else to date aside from CRT based guns. I can believe somebody hasn't done this already. Lighthouse tech would be even better

I think it might be a poor use of the technology. Before doing all of that, you might as well just put on the headset, and enjoy any of the myriad shooting games in VR. I.e. could it work? Probably. Would the experience be anywhere close to what is achievable with VR? Probably not.

brandon · « **Reply #835 on:** August 25, 2018, 01:42:12 am »

Yeah, VR is much more compelling but sometimes you just want to play some CarnEvil with your buddy. Lol

RandyT · « **Reply #836 on:** August 25, 2018, 10:11:24 am »

Quote from: brandon on August 25, 2018, 01:42:12 am

Yeah, VR is much more compelling but sometimes you just want to play some CarnEvil with your buddy. Lol

I can certainly understand that. Maybe at some point someone will try doing that.

For a single player experience, some work has been done to virtualize the whole arcade machine to play old school arcade lightgun games. It may have been abandoned though.

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fallacy · « **Reply #837 on:** August 30, 2018, 09:59:29 pm »

When that StarVR news came out I was just going to ignore it thinking the hole thing it was nonsense from the price to the claims with no one reviewing it.

I follow this youtuber for VR, he was testing out the StarVR and giving it all positive, stating it does not skew the image or anything with its human like FOV. What the hell when are we going to get these upgrades, if they can do it why have oculus and vive not come out with this yet; I am starting to get irritated with all of this..

shponglefan · « **Reply #838 on:** August 31, 2018, 11:11:22 am »

Quote from: fallacy on August 30, 2018, 09:59:29 pm

What the hell when are we going to get these upgrades, if they can do it why have oculus and vive not come out with this yet; I am starting to get irritated with all of this..

It seems like a non-trivial issue to solve. Look at the challenges Pimax has had trying to do the same ultra-wide views.

There are also performance issues to consider, since packing more pixels in the displays are going to need more powerful GPUs. Bit of a chicken-egg issue, that.

fallacy · « **Reply #839 on:** September 01, 2018, 12:56:52 pm »

I don't trust anything with the Pimax, i get that they are trying hard but just the fact that they are constantly showing their product to reviewers when it is not working as intended by any stretch of the imagination and they will get a thumbs down just feels like their company is a bunch of amateurs trying to create the impossible. I mean you want everyone to know your product exist but that is not the way you want to go about it.


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