Its Here: Ultimarc AimTrak Light Gun Module

[Ginsu Victim]

That's the reason I said something. I didn't want people to buy this particular gun (Konami Justifier) unless they are prepared to make a few alterations.

It will work, it's just a tight fit.

[Ginsu Victim]

Weird....I just got it to fit without any changes, but I'm not sure how I'm gonna mount this, due to the round barrel.

[severdhed]

what about taking andy's suggestion and using that blu-tack putty stuff you use to hang posters.  it is apparently non conductive and since it is putty, you should be able to mold it into the proper shape and have it hold the PCB in place.  best of all, it is cheap, and easy to undo if you need to.

i hope you can get this to work, since i am leaning towards Justifiers for my cabinet.

[Ginsu Victim]

I used the double-sided adhesive foam. Seems like it's going to work. It's actually in the barrel not sticking to the unit, but making a shape that holds it in place.

[KissMyWookie]

Mount it with hot glue. It's what many manufacturers use to secure electronic parts and you can always pry the PCB off again later, should you wish to.

[Ginsu Victim]

I want it to be easy to remove if needed, yet firmly seated when assembled. What I've done seems to work fine.

[Turnarcades]

Mount it with hot glue. It's what many manufacturers use to secure electronic parts and you can always pry the PCB off again later, should you wish to.

I want it to be easy to remove if needed, yet firmly seated when assembled. What I've done seems to work fine.

Hot glue is a bit more solid so a warm gun won't turn it soft like blu-tack. A spot of glue on each corner for a firm, solid fit during use should do the trick, but it will be loose enough grip to just pull loose if you take the gun apart.

[Ginsu Victim]

Because of the round shape of the barrel and the split on the top and bottom, it makes hot gluing it (then putting it back together) difficult. It's a good option for someone else, but not for how I'm doing it.

[Cananas]

Well I can't able to work witj P1...P5. I have connected a simple microswitch to P1 and to the trigger comm. Joystick is enabled in mame. Nothing at all. Seems with P2, P3, P4 and P5.

Trigger and Aux are left mouse button and rigth mouse button. Correct in desktop.

Any thoughs?

[romshark]

I think the aux pins are unassigned by default. Use the software to set them. Or at least, see what they are.

[Neverending Project]

In case anyone missed it, there is an option on the Ultimarc site now to add only the AimTrak without the LED bar as a second gun. It appears when you add to your cart, and will save you $8 on the one you buy without the LED bar.

[TheShanMan]

$80 for 2 - not bad! Now we just need some gun options added.

[drventure]

I haven't bought from them, and I've never worked with Airsoft guns before, but these sure look like reasonable possibilities.



http://www.hobbytron.com/SpringCustomGrip45StylePistolAirsoftGun.html

it's a full 10inch gun, so it's bound to be big enough. The trigger obviously won't have a switch in it, but surely it wouldn't be too tough to get a cherry switch in there.

And it's 6.95$

Heck, this one's 4$



I'm thinking I might pick up a few different one's to crack open and take a look at.

[Cananas]

Definitely, i'm missing something or P...P4 don't work.

I verified the buttons conecting to the trigger to test them and they are ok. If I enable some P? buttton in the software, I need to unplug the gun to changes take effect (I think this is normal for those gamepad buttons).
I also assigned to the aux button , the gamepad button 1 (it works).

After plug in the gun again , I go to the panel control->blah,blah... to see if the gamepad buttons are working. If I assigned one P? button to any gamepad button, I see there is always on=> When I push the aux button, the gamepad button 1 light, but also the gamepad button 2 assigned to the P?. When I release the aux button, the GP button 1 is off, but the GP button2 is always on.

If I enabled more P? buttons, happens the same. They don't work and are always ON. Repeat again, the buttons, wires and connections are OK.

About high and distance, it seems it is very, very, distance dependent. A little bit closer and the gun must be recalibrate. A little bit far, the gun miss accuraty.

[wbassett]

I haven't bought from them, and I've never worked with Airsoft guns before, but these sure look like reasonable possibilities.



http://www.hobbytron.com/SpringCustomGrip45StylePistolAirsoftGun.html

it's a full 10inch gun, so it's bound to be big enough. The trigger obviously won't have a switch in it, but surely it wouldn't be too tough to get a cherry switch in there.

And it's 6.95$

Heck, this one's 4$



I'm thinking I might pick up a few different one's to crack open and take a look at.

I have quite a few airsoft guns and even talked about using them for my cab when a good light gun solution came out.

The problem with the pistols is space.  I think you'll find there isn't much room inside the spring guns, especially the pistols.  There should be plenty of room in the rifles though, especially the shotguns!

For pistols I'm looking at other light guns to gut.  There are some really nice looking guns out there for the XBox and PS2.  You can get a Walther PPK style (old Bond), a Walther P99 (new Bond), Colt 1911 (classic military .45), Desert Eagle and many other styles.  The advantage of this is these will already have buttons in place and the barrel is big already for the existing sensor.  In an airsoft gun the barrel is really small.  The best way to retrofit the sensor in an airsoft pistol would be to put the sensor in a silencer.

Rifles...  now we're talking airsoft!  And Nerf... and even some toy guns I have seen!
One thing that intriges me about airsoft is the AEGs...  You can select single fire or automatic.  If the trigger/switch assembly sends an open/close signal, which I am sure it does... this could also provide a single/auto fire for our light guns!

[drventure]

Good info. I might check one of those others out first.

Jeez, I did not realize that that Colt 1911 style pistol dates back literally to 1911!

Not quite steam punk era stuff, but dang that's close.

I thought about a pirate style pistol but the weird grip looks like it'd be way too painful to play with. Looks are important, but I want things playable too 

[Turnarcades]

Good info. I might check one of those others out first.

Jeez, I did not realize that that Colt 1911 style pistol dates back literally to 1911!

Not quite steam punk era stuff, but dang that's close.

I thought about a pirate style pistol but the weird grip looks like it'd be way too painful to play with. Looks are important, but I want things playable too 

Maybe, but a quick google for 'pirate pistol' came up with this rustic-effect gun:

[KonkeyKong]

Gentlemen,

A word about hobbytron/com:

I just received my order from them and I wish I could say "you get what you pay for" but that wasn't even the case.  I ordered all black with a laser on front, I got black with a silver slide and no laser.  The other guns I ordered were all black, ABS plastic.  I got silver painted and if it is ABS, it's the thinnest cheapest version they can make.  I'm only out $23 bucks, but it would have been nice to spend that money with Ultimarc where you know you're gonna get exactly what you order.


Andy--

If we purchase AimTrak modules now, and are unsuccessful at integrating them into our shells, will we be able to purchase your shells separately and pop our previously purchased, unaltered AimTrak into them?  Any rough date as to when shells might be available?  I'm jonesin' for these really bad, but I want to make wise decisions.

[wbassett]

Try AirSplat...  I've bought from them before.

I'm sitting here thinking of all the possibilities!  Star Trek Phasers...  PlayMates made everything from the classic phaser to a klingon disruptor!  Then there are a ton of Star Wars blasters out there... and right now there is a $29 'Build Your Own Blaster' kit along the same lines as their 'Build Your Own Light Saber' kit...  talk about potential right there!

Hell, I've seen resin kits for the Blade Runner gun, the blaster from the original Battlestar Galactica...  anyone up for the marine corps machinegun from Aliens?  That's out there too! 

The AimTrak is a very exciting addition to arcade gaming!

This is an airsoft gun and very cool potential as a light gun with this kit!

[KonkeyKong]

Yup, I've purchased from airsplast as well,  good quality, but a bit more expensive.  I was hoping to get lucky on the cheap.  It was a gamble that didn't pay-off.

[Dartful Dodger]

A friend has this gun for the wii:


It's got a nice feel to it, but after 20 minutes or so it starts to feel heavy.

I can image how painful some of these options for a light gun shell are going to feel.

Of course if this is as easily as I hope it will be, I'll be getting a full size airsoft shot gun.

[wbassett]

I hear ya...  some things would be too big and heavy for playing for long periods of time.  Even the TopGun started getting 'heavy' after playing Police Trainer for and hour and a half!

That's a big difference between now and actually playing at an arcade.  When you have to pump quarters in for real you don't tend to play as long as when you can just load up with credits at home!

Now that it looks like we have a viable gun option and we'll have some reviews very soon, I have LOTS of plans!

One of the things I am going to do is to mount the sensor in a mock silencer.  What this will do is to allow me to put the silencer on a wide variety of guns (pistols and rifles) so I can quickly change guns based on the game. 

I'm even looking at a way to make this wireless and have some ideas.  This is another area where those airsoft AEG batteries will start coming in handy! 

I have a P90 like in the picture from the redwolf site and I think that will be my first one I attempt to mount the AimTrak in.  If this works... the AEG gear box actually works as a pretty good 'thumper'.  In fact it may be too good!  I was playing around with mine again and my wife said there was no way in hell she is going to put up with that racket!  Which just means I now HAVE to do this!

Seriously though, for CQB you only fire short bursts...  for an arcade game you'd go deaf pretty quick so there would have to be a switch to turn the 'thumper' (gearbox) on and off.  All this is definitely doable...  we were just waiting for someone like Andy to step up and make this happen!

[DJ_Izumi]

It's got a nice feel to it, but after 20 minutes or so it starts to feel heavy.

Maybe I'm just a wuss but after 20mins of holding a Guncon out it feels heavy and my lower arms feel sore.

[Epyx]

anyone up for the marine corps machinegun from Aliens?

Yep

[Ginsu Victim]

Having problems with the software. I can't get it to SEND the changes to the gun, which means I can't configure the buttons. Also, I can't change the Device ID without it giving me an error. Off to read up and make sure I'm doing everything right (I don't see what I could be doing wrong, though...)

EDIT: Hmmmm.....everything I read sounds fine, but the software is giving me trouble. Dammit! SEND, damn you, SEND!

[northerngames]

Having problems with the software. I can't get it to SEND the changes to the gun, which means I can't configure the buttons. Also, I can't change the Device ID without it giving me an error. Off to read up and make sure I'm doing everything right (I don't see what I could be doing wrong, though...)

EDIT: Hmmmm.....everything I read sounds fine, but the software is giving me trouble. Dammit! SEND, damn you, SEND!

USB keyboard & mouse enabled in bios?

[Ginsu Victim]

USB keyboard & mouse enabled in bios?

Yeah. I was finally able to change the Device ID, but I still can't get it to SEND data. It is always grayed out.

I did test out the gun with the default config and so far it seems pretty good.

[Beretta]

one thing to remember guys putting this sensor in a long gun like a rifle, shotgun etc you'll need to stand further back.

the 2 feet min distance is from the sensors eye so just keep that in mind.

[Cananas]

USB keyboard & mouse enabled in bios?

Yeah. I was finally able to change the Device ID, but I still can't get it to SEND data. It is always grayed out.

Be surethatyou are not reading the data. When you are reading the data, you can't send changes. Also after that, reselect something (a button conf, for example). The Send Data button  should be active now.

Remember one thing. If  you enable, disable or changed a button with GamePad button assigned (like you, P? buttons don't work for me; Trigger and Aux work OK) or assign a GamePad button to a button, after Send Data you must unplug/replug the gun to this changes take effect. This not happens with the mouse buttons.

[Ginsu Victim]

USB keyboard & mouse enabled in bios?

Yeah. I was finally able to change the Device ID, but I still can't get it to SEND data. It is always grayed out.

Be surethatyou are not reading the data. When you are reading the data, you can't send changes. Also after that, reselect something (a button conf, for example). The Send Data button  should be active now.

Remember one thing. If  you enable, disable or changed a button with GamePad button assigned (like you, P? buttons don't work for me; Trigger and Aux work OK) or assign a GamePad button to a button, after Send Data you must unplug/replug the gun to this changes take effect. This not happens with the mouse buttons.

It's not in read mode. It never gives me the SEND option, no matter what changes I make. Andy is looking into this.

[ZeroPoint]

Ginsu Victim:

Do you by any chance have a LCD TopGun plugged in at the same time !? There have been some conflict with this and cyusb.dll. If you do, try unplugging it or any other device than may have similar conflict.

[Ginsu Victim]

No, I've never owned an LCD topgun.

[ZeroPoint]

OK... I think it goes like this:

1. Point the gun away
2. Start the AimTrak Config
3. Press "READ DATA"
4. Point the gun at the screen (IR) until something shows up in the button config
5. Point the gun away
6. Press "STOPP"
7. Make some changes and the "SEND" should be available

Hope this isnīt old info... 

[Ginsu Victim]

OK... I think it goes like this:

1. Point the gun away
2. Start the AimTrak Config
3. Press "READ DATA"
4. Point the gun at the screen (IR) until something shows up in the button config
5. Point the gun away
6. Press "STOPP"
7. Make some changes and the "SEND" should be available

Hope this isnīt old info... 

Old info? It's news to me. (I can't find where this was posted)

By the way, it works.

That's kind of ass-backwards, but it did the trick.

THANKS!

[drventure]

I'm wondering if something like this might work to make these wireless



http://www.mycablemart.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=1513

It's 5vdc powered so theoretically, a battery would do it. It looks to be reasonably small, but I'm not sure it could all go in a pistol sized shell.

And it's a tad $$, but no more so than the Aimtrak itself.

[bkenobi]

Keep in mind that wireless is pretty power hungry since it has to transmit stuff all the time.  I think you might be better off trying to find something blue tooth than 802.11 since it's meant for low power devices (headsets, phones, etc.).

[Ginsu Victim]

Now that I have this gun working for the most part, I'm going to confirm the same problems others are having:

I have a button wired to P1 and it will not work.

[retrometro]

dumb question here but does the gun still need to be hooked up to the display?

[Ginsu Victim]

I don't understand your question.

[BobA]

The gun hooks up thru USB only there is no requirement for a video connection.