F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB

[leapinlew]

Alright everyone,

Here is the deal I waited in line for 35 hours for a unit that cost $500 plus tax.  Let me turn around and offer it up for $250 to the first bidder because I am looking out for everyone elses interest and not my own.

Later

I don't know why your upset or suprised. No one likes scalpers. People tolerate scalpers - but rarely are people happy with scalpers and price gougers.

You present the item like your doing someone a favor, when in reality you represent a large amount of people who were standing in line to buy a PS3. People in line to buy a PS3 so they could resell it at a higher price.

The person buying the PS3 can't help but feel like they are being taken advantage of. Your fooling yourself if you think your doing anyone a favor. I'll give you $530 for it plus shipping...   

[2PacMan]

It's because you got up that morning to go wait in line, and the whole time in the back of your head you are thinking "i can jack this price up to 2 grand and make tons of money" and then you are lucky enough to get a PS3, taking it away from someone who really wanted one to play.  Then you come on this board and try to price gouge all of us.  You said yourself you would have made more money working those 35 hours than standing in line to buy a PS3 and marking it up, so why did you even do it?  You should have just went to work that day and let someone who really wanted one have it.

[ChadTower]

So while you're tooling on him for "gouging", you are also offering to buy his item for hundreds under market value?  Like it or not, right now, a PS3 is worth a lot more than the retail price.

[Thenasty]

I still won't back down with my offer.....I'm sticking to giving him $50.00 for it, for up to 1 year. 
After 1 year, its cut in half $25.00 

[shardian]

This is not gouging. Please. A PS3 is not a staple product for survival. This is a luxury item which currently has a MASSIVLEY lower supply than demand. Guess what happens when supply is low and demand is high? The price goes up. This is the same reason Sony charges $600 for it in the first place. When their supply goes up and the demand goes down, the price drops at their end too.

Also, it is not like the guy went and bought every ps3 in his home area and then offered to sell them for double the value. THAT is price gouging. The guy bought ONE, just like everyone else.
I will admit that said seller made a mistake coming here and offering it, as some of you guys can get a little rowdy at times (myself included  ). That doesn't change the fact that you all need to get off his back.

BST - if you ain't buyin', sellin', or tradin', then move along.

[MameJunkie]

throwing my 2 cents in...

First of all, it is to the interest of Sony,MS,Nintendo to ship out as many unts as they can pump out.  They make the money on the games people buy in addition to the console.  They actually lose $$$ on the console.
(***Game Developer so I know alittle on this topic***)

I think eschmunk has every right to charge whatever he wants for the PS3.  That being said, I also believe its people like him jacks up the $$$ more than it should be.

I'm just going to wait till the dust clears and I can walk into a local retail store and pay retail or less. 

[payment_due]

Like it or not, right now, a PS3 is worth a lot more than the retail price.

lol. no it's not.  They aren't available, but that doesn't mean they are worth more.  They are worth $500 or $600 respectively, not anything more than Sony set the MSRP for.

Just because someone hikes up the price because they claim they are doing someone a favor doesn't make it worth that much.

That is some jacked up logic there Chad.

@seller - don't be a smartass. Why don't you sell it for the actual price? No one is asking you to sell it for $250.  If you sold it for what it's REALLY worth ($500) plus shipping I'm sure it would sell today.

I mean think about it, you're charging such a "good price" for it, but why hasn't it sold?

Because it's not worth the price you're asking.  It doesn't matter how much you make at work or how many hours you spent sitting waiting for it. It's still not worth more than the MSRP.

[ChadTower]

lol. no it's not.  They aren't available, but that doesn't mean they are worth more.  They are worth $500 or $600 respectively, not anything more than Sony set the MSRP for.

That is some jacked up logic there Chad.

That is the logic of supply and demand economics. 

That is the logic of how free markets have worked since the beginning of human commerce.  MSRP is irrelevant until supply can meet demand.

If you don't like that I'm sure you can find a willing discussion partner in a Soviet bread line back in 1975.

[payment_due]

That is the logic of supply and demand economics. 

That is the logic of how free markets have worked since the beginning of human commerce.  MSRP is irrelevant until supply can meet demand.

If you don't like that I'm sure you can find a willing discussion partner in a Soviet bread line back in 1975.

No. No its not. Otherwise gasoline would be $200 a gallon, and we'd be charged for air.  So, to quote you - "like it or not", it's not worth it.

Get over it.

[ChadTower]

Gasoline isn't $200/gallon because there is surplus supply.  When supply cannot meet demand it will be $200/gallon.

Air has an unlimited supply.  No charge.

"Worth" for a consumer item is a relative decision.  People who are paying think it is worth that much.  That's why they are paying.  You, clearly, do not.

Your concept of the value of the system is not universal.  The secondary PS3 market is concrete proof of that.

[AtomSmasher]

Like it or not, right now, a PS3 is worth a lot more than the retail price.

lol. no it's not.  They aren't available, but that doesn't mean they are worth more.  They are worth $500 or $600 respectively, not anything more than Sony set the MSRP for.

So basically what your saying is that how high the demand for an item gets and how low the supply is has absolutely nothing to do with the value of an item?  Your logic may be impressive on some planet, but your weak link is, this is earth.  You even said it yourself, the $500 or $600 is the manufacturers suggested retail price.  That value is not set in stone and people who understand basic economics will raise the price as the demand rises and the supply drops.

Also, you seem dead set on blaming the people selling the ps3's for the high prices when the people buying them for $1500 are actually the ones setting the values that high.  Ebay is an auction, not a store.  The buyers set the price the ps3's are going for, not the sellers.  If people were not willing to pay $1500 for the ps3, then they would not be selling that high on ebay.

*note*I realize they are not selling for $1500 anymore, I figured I'd just continue the same value that was stated earlier.

[hypernova]

An item is worth exactly what a person pays for it.

That is some jacked up logic there Chad.

You are the only one with the screwed up logic.

No. No its not. Otherwise gasoline would be $200 a gallon, and we'd be charged for air.  So, to quote you - "like it or not", it's not worth it.

Gas has gone up rather quickly in price since the 90s.  It's because supply is starting to run out, and the world is very conscientious of it.  Like CWT said, it's not $200 yet, but perhaps, some day in the future, IF we haven't found an alternative fuel source, that day may very well come.  Why you exhibit such strong emotions over some petty matter such as this that has nothing to do with you is nothing less than perplexing.

And some gas stations DO charge for air.  Have you protested in front of them yet?

[eschmunk]

Alright everyone,

Here is the deal I waited in line for 35 hours for a unit that cost $500 plus tax.  Let me turn around and offer it up for $250 to the first bidder because I am looking out for everyone elses interest and not my own.

Later

I don't know why your upset or suprised. No one likes scalpers. People tolerate scalpers - but rarely are people happy with scalpers and price gougers.

You present the item like your doing someone a favor, when in reality you represent a large amount of people who were standing in line to buy a PS3. People in line to buy a PS3 so they could resell it at a higher price.

The person buying the PS3 can't help but feel like they are being taken advantage of. Your fooling yourself if you think your doing anyone a favor. I'll give you $530 for it plus shipping...   

Actually I am not upset nor surprised.  Well maybe surprised everyone took it this far.

[eschmunk]

Like it or not, right now, a PS3 is worth a lot more than the retail price.

lol. no it's not.  They aren't available, but that doesn't mean they are worth more.  They are worth $500 or $600 respectively, not anything more than Sony set the MSRP for.

Just because someone hikes up the price because they claim they are doing someone a favor doesn't make it worth that much.

That is some jacked up logic there Chad.

@seller - don't be a smartass. Why don't you sell it for the actual price? No one is asking you to sell it for $250.  If you sold it for what it's REALLY worth ($500) plus shipping I'm sure it would sell today.

I mean think about it, you're charging such a "good price" for it, but why hasn't it sold?

Because it's not worth the price you're asking.  It doesn't matter how much you make at work or how many hours you spent sitting waiting for it. It's still not worth more than the MSRP.

Haven't sold it yet because this is the only place that has it listed.  I am waiting closer to xmas on ebay since there may be less than there is now.

[AlanS17]

The PS3 is actually difficult to manufacture because of the blue LED used in the laser that reads the Blue-Ray disks. It's apparently a very difficult, time-consuming process to culture the material that's used in the LED. Plus there's a high rate of rejects because they're still working out the kinks. That translates to fewer units produced.

[ImaTest]

lol. no it's not.  They aren't available, but that doesn't mean they are worth more.  They are worth $500 or $600 respectively, not anything more than Sony set the MSRP for.

hahhahahaha.  There is so much wrong with this statement.  First of all, this is supply and demand just as Chad said.  Gas isn't $200 a gallon because people aren't willing to pay that and because of the current supply, there is no reason to PRICE IT AT $200.  There are very few PS3s and a LOT of folks who want them, so the price will fluctuate upwards until it reaches a price point that the market will pay.  People were paying $2000+ for a PS3 a few weeks ago with preorders... now they are $1200 on ebay and similar... this is the market finding the "right" price for the item.  It's how our fine country has worked for quite a while now.... go grab an economics book.

Second, you're wrong on a strictly grammatical stance as well.  The PS3 is WORTH more than $500.  In fact, Sony is losing money on each system to the amount of around $250 IIRC.  It's over $200 in any case.  So actually, the PS3 is WORTH at least $700.  Sony has made the conscious business decision to sell at a loss in order to gain installed base.

You don't like the fact that you can't buy a Ps3 right now for $500.  That's fine... but don't go dismissing the entire economic structure.  This isn't price gouging.. just get over it.

[nullb0y]

I just didn't like the line about him saying "make someone happy for Christmas and buy this"

I always thought members of the BYOAC board sort of looked out for each other.  We try not to price gouge each other like that.   We are always selling things to each other at good prices and oftentimes give things away for free to help the hobby of arcade collecting.  Just doesn't seem like a real nice gesture, especially around the holidays.  I guess i don't mind so much the fact of him trying to sell it at whatever price he wants, but it irks me that he brought it to this board trying to price gouge one of our own.  I know other times when new people post things like "Working Capcom Bowling game, rare, $2000.00", they get flamed like crazy, this feels like the same thing to me.

p.s.--i'm seeing tons of these on cragslist and ebay on a daily basis for under 1000.00, so i'm not sure how 'rare' these PS3s are anymore.

i agree this stuff does NOT belong here
go flame craigslist with ur gouging lol not our problem
if someone is stupid enough to pay that much for a launch system first batch without any warintee or anything there morons and dont deserve money
most of the first batch of ps3s have had problems
none of the (major retailer i work for)'s displays work in THE DISTRICT
most burned out in a few days
ours was DOA
so yeah 1k for a first revision not a good idea.... but thats just me

dont gouge ppl here thx ^_^ community should be etter then a quick buck

okay my rant is done

[eschmunk]

I just didn't like the line about him saying "make someone happy for Christmas and buy this"

I always thought members of the BYOAC board sort of looked out for each other.  We try not to price gouge each other like that.   We are always selling things to each other at good prices and oftentimes give things away for free to help the hobby of arcade collecting.  Just doesn't seem like a real nice gesture, especially around the holidays.  I guess i don't mind so much the fact of him trying to sell it at whatever price he wants, but it irks me that he brought it to this board trying to price gouge one of our own.  I know other times when new people post things like "Working Capcom Bowling game, rare, $2000.00", they get flamed like crazy, this feels like the same thing to me.

p.s.--i'm seeing tons of these on cragslist and ebay on a daily basis for under 1000.00, so i'm not sure how 'rare' these PS3s are anymore.

i agree this stuff does NOT belong here
go flame craigslist with ur gouging lol not our problem
if someone is stupid enough to pay that much for a launch system first batch without any warintee or anything there morons and dont deserve money
most of the first batch of ps3s have had problems
none of the (major retailer i work for)'s displays work in THE DISTRICT
most burned out in a few days
ours was DOA
so yeah 1k for a first revision not a good idea.... but thats just me

dont gouge ppl here thx ^_^ community should be etter then a quick buck

okay my rant is done

dont gouge ppl here thx ^_^ community should be etter then a quick buck

Of all people that have a problem I didn't think you would voice it, didn't I just hook you up with a nice refferal for the free Wii?  Lol.  Just kidding you have the right to your opinion.

[nullb0y]

hey i appreiciate the referal but there are many other places you can sell ur ps3 the gouging that goes on with theese things makes me sick......
and well i tend to speak my mind, my friends/gf know that lol

[mccoy178]

I hope you speak better than you type.  I say sell it for whatever the market is paying.  Null, you should be mad at Sony, not eschmunk.  There aren't many situations where someone can make a ton of money in the gaming community so easily.  If you don't like what he's doing, just wait until next summer when they are available to everyone.  In the meantime, write congress and tell them to make Sony stop being so mean.

[sidekick]

You won't have a chance to get one in a store by Chirstmas so make someone really happy.

yeah that's the Christmas spirit.... buy a hard to get product double the value and then tell people they are ---Cleveland steamer--- because thay aren't buying one for someone for Christmas....

Greed will get you eventually, like others have said you bought it and have the right to do whatever with it.... Just hope you come back and post when karma kicks your greedy ass....

oh and I have no interest in a PS3, I just don't think strongly of scalpers and especially those who use holidays to tell people they are crap if they don't have one wrapped in a box under the tree for someone since that is the perceived meaning of Christmas....


might as well change your name to e-schmuck....

[eschmunk]

I am beginning to love post like these.

I look at it this way.  I am providing a service to the parents who would like to buy a ps3 for their kids.

How many parents are able to take the day off from work and their kid for two days?  Not many and if they can they were out there.

[Havok]

Forget this - I'm going to build my own PS3!

 

[ChadTower]

I might do that myself... I have 3 PS1s...

[nullb0y]

im gonna build a ps8 with my 6 psones and one pstwo ill be preety clost to the ps9 then!
(please tell me u rember the ps2 comercial with the "ps9" in it)

[mccoy178]

You won't have a chance to get one in a store by Chirstmas so make someone really happy.

yeah that's the Christmas spirit.... buy a hard to get product double the value and then tell people they are ---Cleveland steamer--- because thay aren't buying one for someone for Christmas....

Greed will get you eventually, like others have said you bought it and have the right to do whatever with it.... Just hope you come back and post when karma kicks your greedy ass....

oh and I have no interest in a PS3, I just don't think strongly of scalpers and especially those who use holidays to tell people they are crap if they don't have one wrapped in a box under the tree for someone since that is the perceived meaning of Christmas....


might as well change your name to e-schmuck....

I don't really understand the aggression here.  I can appreciate it if it were heart medication.  We're talking about a video game.

[saint]

Umm... I think this thread needs moderating... I'm just not sure how?

[eschmunk]

Umm... I think this thread needs moderating... I'm just not sure how?

I have an idea, close it.

[taternutz]

I was just going to recommend a one-way ticket to post HELL

[ChadTower]

Taternutz!  Taternutz!