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F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« on: November 19, 2006, 07:45:12 pm »
Hey everyone,

Just wanted to let everyone know that I have a 20GB Sony ps3 for sale to the highest bidder.  I accept paypal only and I am looking for at least $1000 plus shipping.  Let me know if you are interested.  You won't have a chance to get one in a store by Chirstmas so make someone really happy.  Picture is of both systems but only the 20GB one is for sale.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2006, 08:55:39 pm »
On one hand, that might be better than Ebay. On the other, that's still double retail.


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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2006, 09:15:27 pm »
Like you said better than Ebay.  Double retail due to limited release, common sense I suppose.  You just have to realize that you won't be finding one before xmas on your own unless your real lucky.  Anyways thouht that I would post up that I will be taking the best offer so if someone does want it and it goes at 1500 or more that there will be an extra controller and game of your choice sent along with it.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2006, 12:47:18 am »
The demand on Ebay is dropping fast, the market of folks to overpay (considerably) for the PS3 is dwindling.  I quit buying the first batch of a system anyway, always bugs still needed to work out. 
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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2006, 12:22:44 pm »
The wording of the post is what gets me:  "You won't have a chance to get one in a store by Chirstmas so make someone really happy"

Is that what Christmas is all about?  Taking a PS3 from a parent waiting in line to buy one to give to their kid on Christmas day?  And then holding it above their head saying "you can still make your kid happy on christmas, just give me 2 grand for it.  I'm against these people that went out and bought these for the sole purpose of reselling them at huge price increases.  Every PS3 that was sold to a price gouger is one taken out of the hands of a kid that genuinely wanted one to play.  I really hope all these people that bought these for the sole purpose of price gouging people get stuck with all of them in the end.  :soapbox:

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2006, 01:20:08 pm »

Chill.  It's a consumer toy.  It's not freakin' insulin.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2006, 01:35:36 pm »
Every PS3 that was sold to a price gouger is one taken out of the hands of a kid that genuinely wanted one to play.  I really hope all these people that bought these for the sole purpose of price gouging people get stuck with all of them in the end.

Well, with pre-orders pretty much limiting the speculators to only 1 console each, I doubt anyone is going to be stuck on a signifigant ammount.  That said, I hope the prices of these things drop quickly and reduce the total return on the waiting / fighting / stealing / etc to near zero.  As you noted - every one purchased for resale is a console which a kid (or adult) wanted to get for themselves.

This isn't that different from ticket scalping which is illegal in most municipalities.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2006, 01:37:21 pm »

It is completely different.  The ticket is worthless the day after a show.  There will be an unlimited amount of PS3s available.  It's only limited now.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2006, 01:47:14 pm »
I guess I'll play the :police:.

This is a BST thread people. The guy is trying to sell something. Go start a thread in EE linking to this thread if you want to whine about the pitfalls of capitalism.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2006, 01:56:42 pm »
I guess I'll play the :police:.

This is a BST thread people. The guy is trying to sell something. Go start a thread in EE linking to this thread if you want to whine about the pitfalls of capitalism.
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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2006, 02:18:49 pm »
You're right, i'm sorry for posting my commentary in this thread, it was not the right place to do so.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2006, 02:29:23 pm »
The wording of the post is what gets me:  "You won't have a chance to get one in a store by Chirstmas so make someone really happy"

Is that what Christmas is all about?  Taking a PS3 from a parent waiting in line to buy one to give to their kid on Christmas day?  And then holding it above their head saying "you can still make your kid happy on christmas, just give me 2 grand for it.  I'm against these people that went out and bought these for the sole purpose of reselling them at huge price increases.  Every PS3 that was sold to a price gouger is one taken out of the hands of a kid that genuinely wanted one to play.  I really hope all these people that bought these for the sole purpose of price gouging people get stuck with all of them in the end.  :soapbox:

Worst case scenario, I take the unit back to the store and return it losing nothing but the time.  The loss of time is not thing, it was actually fun hanging out with a bunch of people.  We played football in the parking lot in the middle of the night it was crazy.  Nice thing about it was, we didn't worry that everyone would complain if you moved out of line.  We went and got food and did pretty much whatever we wanted.  As for selling for a profit, that is what free commerce is all about.  I don't feel it is wrong for charging what the market will bear, this is the point of free commerce right?

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This is a BST thread people. The guy is trying to sell something. Go start a thread in EE linking to this thread if you want to whine about the pitfalls of capitalism.

I know people are going to have their comments and I agree with them, I just so happen to be the person on the money making side of it while many of the people complaining are the ones who wanted to do the same.  Oh well.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2006, 03:44:27 pm »

It is completely different.  The ticket is worthless the day after a show.  There will be an unlimited amount of PS3s available.  It's only limited now.

Right.  So it's limited now... (before the concert) but soon it will be then (after the concert), the 'ticket' called a PS3 sold for 10 billion dollars will be worthless because you will be able to get one anywhere.

It's still scalping. No matter how you rationalize it.
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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2006, 04:17:48 pm »

It is completely different.  The ticket is worthless the day after a show.  There will be an unlimited amount of PS3s available.  It's only limited now.

Right.  So it's limited now... (before the concert) but soon it will be then (after the concert), the 'ticket' called a PS3 sold for 10 billion dollars will be worthless because you will be able to get one anywhere.

It's still scalping. No matter how you rationalize it.

I suppose.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2006, 05:51:46 pm »
No shortage of them available in stores around here
Wait, theres no shortage of PS3's in the stores around you?  Where do you live because thats just bizzare.  If I ask any stores around here for a ps3 I just get laughed at.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2006, 06:24:16 pm »
So can we all agree that this thread is hopelessly derailed, and continue on the morals of buying a ps3 only to resell it for a profit?
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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2006, 06:34:07 pm »
It's an investment.  Practically like stocks, bonds, or mutual funds.

"Scalpers" are merely people investing their money AND time to make a profit, which may or may not be worthwhile (which is subjective.)  Most of the people who DID want one didn't have the 24-48 hours to spend sitting in some stupid line.

I was under the impression that scalping is generally legal, so long as you don't do it on the grounds of the event being held.
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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2006, 08:18:50 pm »
This is just supply and demand...  simple economics.  It will balance itself out in a while and if you have the cash to blow on toys you are gonna pay a premium here.  Like a hot selling new car that the dealer marks up because HE CAN.  If you need one of these and don't want to pay a premium wait.  Prices will come down, I guarantee it.  Personally I wouldn't pay retail for one but I don't have the time for a console.  If I want a game.. MAME works fine.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2006, 08:29:01 pm »
Every PS3 that was sold to a price gouger is one taken out of the hands of a kid that genuinely wanted one to play.  I really hope all these people that bought these for the sole purpose of price gouging people get stuck with all of them in the end.  :soapbox:

BS. Who in their right mind is buying something that expensive for children? :)

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2006, 09:46:17 pm »
by Chirstmas so make someone really happy. 


you forgot to include yourself being happy :)



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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2006, 10:11:42 pm »
I just really suprised about all the drama this is turning out to cause.  It is somewhat entertaining just to read the post.  I am glad though there are a few that are on the same side I am, looking to make a sound financial decision.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2006, 09:01:22 am »
Right.  So it's limited now... (before the concert) but soon it will be then (after the concert), the 'ticket' called a PS3 sold for 10 billion dollars will be worthless because you will be able to get one anywhere.

Show us a PS3 that sold for $10billion.

And show us a PS3 that is worthless after the Xmas demand.  They will still be worth retail price at that point.  Not worthless.


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So?  Scalping isn't morally wrong.  It's supply and demand.  I can get something, you cannot, I'll buy it and sell it for what you are willing to pay.  It's just a toy.  It is not an item that is necessary for anyone for any reason.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2006, 10:05:21 am »
Well, it isn't morally wrong for jerks that want to hike up the price but it is for people that get ripped.  As for the 10billion dollar PS3... *somebody* can't read exaggeration in print.

You were trying to convince people that doing this with the PS3 is 'completely different' from scalping. You were wrong. I corrected you. You then admitted it was wrong. (see your "So?" comment)

As for the PS3 being worthless, that's not what I meant. I meant selling them for $1500 or whatever this guy is asking will be worthless because they will be readily available.  It helps to read sometimes.
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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2006, 02:29:05 pm »
Well, it isn't morally wrong for jerks that want to hike up the price but it is for people that get ripped.  As for the 10billion dollar PS3... *somebody* can't read exaggeration in print.

You were trying to convince people that doing this with the PS3 is 'completely different' from scalping. You were wrong. I corrected you. You then admitted it was wrong. (see your "So?" comment)

As for the PS3 being worthless, that's not what I meant. I meant selling them for $1500 or whatever this guy is asking will be worthless because they will be readily available.  It helps to read sometimes.
The buyer knows they will soon be readily available and made the decision to pay the premium to play the system today instead of in a couple of months.  You act as though the buyer doesn't realize the system will eventually be readily available and that they are being ripped off by the seller, when that isn't the case.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2006, 03:45:11 pm »
Only problem is, the 'premium' you guys are talking about is actually $600.  Not $1500.
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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2006, 04:17:43 pm »

So?  Willing seller, willing buyer, luxury item.

You're acting like these people are gouging a flu vaccine.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2006, 04:34:42 pm »
To original poster:

The average price on Ebay has started coming down. You might want to reconsider your asking price. (Just a thought.)


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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2006, 04:57:10 pm »
Well, it isn't morally wrong for jerks that want to hike up the price but it is for people that get ripped.


ahh yes, because eschmunk is clearly holding a gun to a buyer's head.  Poor poor buyer... made the conscious decision that he/she felt the system was worth the price and paid it.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2006, 11:14:17 pm »
Although he has every right to post what he wants at any price he wants it does seem kinda low to try to rip off our fine members and just the thought of this thread would have no doubt caused a big stir as we all have seen here at the price he stated.

I can't say it's wrong but it is offensive if you care about the board and  the people who see it.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2006, 11:26:50 pm »
Lets consider it this way.  For someone that does not have the time to wait in line to be able to have a new toy right away they may want to pay for the service of someone else doing so.  Well lets say my time is valuable, which it is, I won't get into figures because that is beyond the point.

Here is what I am selling and it is not a rip like some may think.

I have a 20GB PS 3 for sale for $500 plus the tax that I paid.  As a fee for standing in line so you didn't have to I will charge an hourly rate, lets say $15/hr.  Well I stood in line for 35 hours which is what was required to get my hands on this fine piece of machinery.

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$500 + 6.5% sales tax = $530
35 hours * $15/hr = $525

Total = $1055

I will be honest $15/hr is less than 1/2 what I get paid so I believe that I am being fair to someone who wants a ps3 near release time and before xmas.

If you don't like it, oh well, cant say I really care. You don't have to buy it nor do you need to be in my thread.  Why don't you go post in the EE boards how you hate people who are trying to make some extra cash.

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« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2006, 11:39:06 pm »
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« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2006, 12:32:23 am »
If you can make more than $30 an hour, why did you do it?  It seems like a waste of your time from the figures you gave us.  I'm just asking.  I don't care that you are trying to make money.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2006, 03:53:46 am »
Only problem is, the 'premium' you guys are talking about is actually $600.  Not $1500.
What exactly is the scenario that you wanted to happen?  That everyone who bought a ps3 would not resell it, and therefore the only people who own one are those who could take several days off work to wait in line?   Or that those people who waited in line should resell the ps3 for the price they bought it for?

You can not just walk into a store right now with $600 and buy a ps3 which is why there is a "premium" on top of the retail price to own one.  To own a ps3 today you either had to wait in line for several days or pay the $1500 to somone who did wait in line.  Since it is cheaper for most people who really wanted a ps3 to pay $1500 then it is to take 2-3 days off work, they are willing to pay that much to get one.  I'm not sure why this upsets you so much.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2006, 08:26:29 am »
If you can make more than $30 an hour, why did you do it?  It seems like a waste of your time from the figures you gave us.  I'm just asking.  I don't care that you are trying to make money.

Well, I took leave from work (got paid for the time off) and enjoyed the time I spent with others hanging out and doing some fun stuff.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2006, 08:57:58 am »

I don't see how asking a price is ripping people off.  Don't like the price, don't pay the price.  If someone paid the price they obviously don't mind it.  We are educated consumers here.  If anything, this is the best place to sell one without ripping someone off.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2006, 09:01:00 am »
I have no problem with what eschmunk is doing – supply and demand, capitalism, bla bla bla. My question is; why is there a limited supply in the first place? Does Sony do this on purpose, or can they truly not produce enough units? I’m guessing it’s intentional. I’m just not sure what the financial benefit is – by keeping low supply and high demand, do they sell more over the long run? Or maybe they really are factory limited. Just seems odd that every new console game system to come out lately has the same scenario.
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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2006, 09:08:18 am »

Almost no other products produce a demand of millions of units on the first day.  It probably really is a manufacturing shortage.  There isn't much profit in not satsifying consumer demand here.

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« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2006, 10:03:07 am »
I think like a new program/hardware, they need guinne pigs to try it out so they work out the bugs and fix it. They don't want millions of product for re-call, so just make a limited batch so any re-calls will be quickly replaced. But thats how I see things.

Anyway, if you get stuck with yours and willing to get rid of for $50.00 (maybe 6 months or 1 year) I get first dibs :)
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« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2006, 10:33:31 am »
I just didn't like the line about him saying "make someone happy for Christmas and buy this"

I always thought members of the BYOAC board sort of looked out for each other.  We try not to price gouge each other like that.   We are always selling things to each other at good prices and oftentimes give things away for free to help the hobby of arcade collecting.  Just doesn't seem like a real nice gesture, especially around the holidays.  I guess i don't mind so much the fact of him trying to sell it at whatever price he wants, but it irks me that he brought it to this board trying to price gouge one of our own.  I know other times when new people post things like "Working Capcom Bowling game, rare, $2000.00", they get flamed like crazy, this feels like the same thing to me.

p.s.--i'm seeing tons of these on cragslist and ebay on a daily basis for under 1000.00, so i'm not sure how 'rare' these PS3s are anymore.

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« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2006, 12:06:25 pm »
Alright everyone,

Here is the deal I waited in line for 35 hours for a unit that cost $500 plus tax.  Let me turn around and offer it up for $250 to the first bidder because I am looking out for everyone elses interest and not my own.

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« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2006, 12:22:18 pm »
Alright everyone,

Here is the deal I waited in line for 35 hours for a unit that cost $500 plus tax.  Let me turn around and offer it up for $250 to the first bidder because I am looking out for everyone elses interest and not my own.

Later

I don't know why your upset or suprised. No one likes scalpers. People tolerate scalpers - but rarely are people happy with scalpers and price gougers.

You present the item like your doing someone a favor, when in reality you represent a large amount of people who were standing in line to buy a PS3. People in line to buy a PS3 so they could resell it at a higher price.

The person buying the PS3 can't help but feel like they are being taken advantage of. Your fooling yourself if you think your doing anyone a favor. I'll give you $530 for it plus shipping...   :)

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« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2006, 12:31:30 pm »
It's because you got up that morning to go wait in line, and the whole time in the back of your head you are thinking "i can jack this price up to 2 grand and make tons of money" and then you are lucky enough to get a PS3, taking it away from someone who really wanted one to play.  Then you come on this board and try to price gouge all of us.  You said yourself you would have made more money working those 35 hours than standing in line to buy a PS3 and marking it up, so why did you even do it?  You should have just went to work that day and let someone who really wanted one have it.


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« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2006, 12:32:25 pm »

So while you're tooling on him for "gouging", you are also offering to buy his item for hundreds under market value?  Like it or not, right now, a PS3 is worth a lot more than the retail price.

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« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2006, 12:46:09 pm »
I still won't back down with my offer.....I'm sticking to giving him $50.00 for it, for up to 1 year.  ;D
After 1 year, its cut in half $25.00  >:D
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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2006, 01:28:03 pm »
This is not gouging. Please. A PS3 is not a staple product for survival. This is a luxury item which currently has a MASSIVLEY lower supply than demand. Guess what happens when supply is low and demand is high? The price goes up. This is the same reason Sony charges $600 for it in the first place. When their supply goes up and the demand goes down, the price drops at their end too.

Also, it is not like the guy went and bought every ps3 in his home area and then offered to sell them for double the value. THAT is price gouging. The guy bought ONE, just like everyone else.
I will admit that said seller made a mistake coming here and offering it, as some of you guys can get a little rowdy at times (myself included  ;)). That doesn't change the fact that you all need to get off his back.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2006, 01:47:14 pm »
throwing my 2 cents in...

First of all, it is to the interest of Sony,MS,Nintendo to ship out as many unts as they can pump out.  They make the money on the games people buy in addition to the console.  They actually lose $$$ on the console.
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I'm just going to wait till the dust clears and I can walk into a local retail store and pay retail or less.  ;D

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2006, 02:37:12 pm »
Like it or not, right now, a PS3 is worth a lot more than the retail price.

lol. no it's not.  They aren't available, but that doesn't mean they are worth more.  They are worth $500 or $600 respectively, not anything more than Sony set the MSRP for.

Just because someone hikes up the price because they claim they are doing someone a favor doesn't make it worth that much.

That is some jacked up logic there Chad.

@seller - don't be a smartass. Why don't you sell it for the actual price? No one is asking you to sell it for $250.  If you sold it for what it's REALLY worth ($500) plus shipping I'm sure it would sell today.

I mean think about it, you're charging such a "good price" for it, but why hasn't it sold?

Because it's not worth the price you're asking.  It doesn't matter how much you make at work or how many hours you spent sitting waiting for it. It's still not worth more than the MSRP.
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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2006, 02:45:04 pm »
lol. no it's not.  They aren't available, but that doesn't mean they are worth more.  They are worth $500 or $600 respectively, not anything more than Sony set the MSRP for.

That is some jacked up logic there Chad.

That is the logic of supply and demand economics

That is the logic of how free markets have worked since the beginning of human commerce.  MSRP is irrelevant until supply can meet demand.

If you don't like that I'm sure you can find a willing discussion partner in a Soviet bread line back in 1975.

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« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2006, 02:50:26 pm »

That is the logic of supply and demand economics

That is the logic of how free markets have worked since the beginning of human commerce.  MSRP is irrelevant until supply can meet demand.

If you don't like that I'm sure you can find a willing discussion partner in a Soviet bread line back in 1975.


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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2006, 02:54:08 pm »

Gasoline isn't $200/gallon because there is surplus supply.  When supply cannot meet demand it will be $200/gallon.

Air has an unlimited supply.  No charge.

"Worth" for a consumer item is a relative decision.  People who are paying think it is worth that much.  That's why they are paying.  You, clearly, do not.

Your concept of the value of the system is not universal.  The secondary PS3 market is concrete proof of that.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2006, 03:02:13 pm »
Like it or not, right now, a PS3 is worth a lot more than the retail price.

lol. no it's not.  They aren't available, but that doesn't mean they are worth more.  They are worth $500 or $600 respectively, not anything more than Sony set the MSRP for.
So basically what your saying is that how high the demand for an item gets and how low the supply is has absolutely nothing to do with the value of an item?  Your logic may be impressive on some planet, but your weak link is, this is earth.  You even said it yourself, the $500 or $600 is the manufacturers suggested retail price.  That value is not set in stone and people who understand basic economics will raise the price as the demand rises and the supply drops.

Also, you seem dead set on blaming the people selling the ps3's for the high prices when the people buying them for $1500 are actually the ones setting the values that high.  Ebay is an auction, not a store.  The buyers set the price the ps3's are going for, not the sellers.  If people were not willing to pay $1500 for the ps3, then they would not be selling that high on ebay.

*note*I realize they are not selling for $1500 anymore, I figured I'd just continue the same value that was stated earlier.

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« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2006, 05:04:14 pm »
An item is worth exactly what a person pays for it.

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No. No its not. Otherwise gasoline would be $200 a gallon, and we'd be charged for air.  So, to quote you - "like it or not", it's not worth it.

Gas has gone up rather quickly in price since the 90s.  It's because supply is starting to run out, and the world is very conscientious of it.  Like CWT said, it's not $200 yet, but perhaps, some day in the future, IF we haven't found an alternative fuel source, that day may very well come.  Why you exhibit such strong emotions over some petty matter such as this that has nothing to do with you is nothing less than perplexing.

And some gas stations DO charge for air.  Have you protested in front of them yet?
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« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2006, 05:05:34 pm »
Alright everyone,

Here is the deal I waited in line for 35 hours for a unit that cost $500 plus tax.  Let me turn around and offer it up for $250 to the first bidder because I am looking out for everyone elses interest and not my own.

Later

I don't know why your upset or suprised. No one likes scalpers. People tolerate scalpers - but rarely are people happy with scalpers and price gougers.

You present the item like your doing someone a favor, when in reality you represent a large amount of people who were standing in line to buy a PS3. People in line to buy a PS3 so they could resell it at a higher price.

The person buying the PS3 can't help but feel like they are being taken advantage of. Your fooling yourself if you think your doing anyone a favor. I'll give you $530 for it plus shipping...   :)

Actually I am not upset nor surprised.  Well maybe surprised everyone took it this far.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2006, 05:09:34 pm »
Like it or not, right now, a PS3 is worth a lot more than the retail price.

lol. no it's not.  They aren't available, but that doesn't mean they are worth more.  They are worth $500 or $600 respectively, not anything more than Sony set the MSRP for.

Just because someone hikes up the price because they claim they are doing someone a favor doesn't make it worth that much.

That is some jacked up logic there Chad.

@seller - don't be a smartass. Why don't you sell it for the actual price? No one is asking you to sell it for $250.  If you sold it for what it's REALLY worth ($500) plus shipping I'm sure it would sell today.

I mean think about it, you're charging such a "good price" for it, but why hasn't it sold?

Because it's not worth the price you're asking.  It doesn't matter how much you make at work or how many hours you spent sitting waiting for it. It's still not worth more than the MSRP.

Haven't sold it yet because this is the only place that has it listed.  I am waiting closer to xmas on ebay since there may be less than there is now.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2006, 11:09:59 pm »
The PS3 is actually difficult to manufacture because of the blue LED used in the laser that reads the Blue-Ray disks. It's apparently a very difficult, time-consuming process to culture the material that's used in the LED. Plus there's a high rate of rejects because they're still working out the kinks. That translates to fewer units produced.


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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2006, 10:57:40 am »
lol. no it's not.  They aren't available, but that doesn't mean they are worth more.  They are worth $500 or $600 respectively, not anything more than Sony set the MSRP for.


hahhahahaha.  There is so much wrong with this statement.  First of all, this is supply and demand just as Chad said.  Gas isn't $200 a gallon because people aren't willing to pay that and because of the current supply, there is no reason to PRICE IT AT $200.  There are very few PS3s and a LOT of folks who want them, so the price will fluctuate upwards until it reaches a price point that the market will pay.  People were paying $2000+ for a PS3 a few weeks ago with preorders... now they are $1200 on ebay and similar... this is the market finding the "right" price for the item.  It's how our fine country has worked for quite a while now.... go grab an economics book.

Second, you're wrong on a strictly grammatical stance as well.  The PS3 is WORTH more than $500.  In fact, Sony is losing money on each system to the amount of around $250 IIRC.  It's over $200 in any case.  So actually, the PS3 is WORTH at least $700.  Sony has made the conscious business decision to sell at a loss in order to gain installed base.

You don't like the fact that you can't buy a Ps3 right now for $500.  That's fine... but don't go dismissing the entire economic structure.  This isn't price gouging.. just get over it.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #56 on: November 23, 2006, 11:30:26 am »
I just didn't like the line about him saying "make someone happy for Christmas and buy this"

I always thought members of the BYOAC board sort of looked out for each other.  We try not to price gouge each other like that.   We are always selling things to each other at good prices and oftentimes give things away for free to help the hobby of arcade collecting.  Just doesn't seem like a real nice gesture, especially around the holidays.  I guess i don't mind so much the fact of him trying to sell it at whatever price he wants, but it irks me that he brought it to this board trying to price gouge one of our own.  I know other times when new people post things like "Working Capcom Bowling game, rare, $2000.00", they get flamed like crazy, this feels like the same thing to me.

p.s.--i'm seeing tons of these on cragslist and ebay on a daily basis for under 1000.00, so i'm not sure how 'rare' these PS3s are anymore.



i agree this stuff does NOT belong here
go flame craigslist with ur gouging lol not our problem
if someone is stupid enough to pay that much for a launch system first batch without any warintee or anything there morons and dont deserve money
most of the first batch of ps3s have had problems
none of the (major retailer i work for)'s displays work in THE DISTRICT
most burned out in a few days
ours was DOA
so yeah 1k for a first revision not a good idea.... but thats just me

dont gouge ppl here thx ^_^ community should be etter then a quick buck

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #57 on: November 23, 2006, 01:52:11 pm »
I just didn't like the line about him saying "make someone happy for Christmas and buy this"

I always thought members of the BYOAC board sort of looked out for each other.  We try not to price gouge each other like that.   We are always selling things to each other at good prices and oftentimes give things away for free to help the hobby of arcade collecting.  Just doesn't seem like a real nice gesture, especially around the holidays.  I guess i don't mind so much the fact of him trying to sell it at whatever price he wants, but it irks me that he brought it to this board trying to price gouge one of our own.  I know other times when new people post things like "Working Capcom Bowling game, rare, $2000.00", they get flamed like crazy, this feels like the same thing to me.

p.s.--i'm seeing tons of these on cragslist and ebay on a daily basis for under 1000.00, so i'm not sure how 'rare' these PS3s are anymore.



i agree this stuff does NOT belong here
go flame craigslist with ur gouging lol not our problem
if someone is stupid enough to pay that much for a launch system first batch without any warintee or anything there morons and dont deserve money
most of the first batch of ps3s have had problems
none of the (major retailer i work for)'s displays work in THE DISTRICT
most burned out in a few days
ours was DOA
so yeah 1k for a first revision not a good idea.... but thats just me

dont gouge ppl here thx ^_^ community should be etter then a quick buck

okay my rant is done

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Of all people that have a problem I didn't think you would voice it, didn't I just hook you up with a nice refferal for the free Wii?  Lol.  Just kidding you have the right to your opinion.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #58 on: November 23, 2006, 06:44:09 pm »
hey i appreiciate the referal but there are many other places you can sell ur ps3 the gouging that goes on with theese things makes me sick......
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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #59 on: November 23, 2006, 11:25:00 pm »
I hope you speak better than you type.  I say sell it for whatever the market is paying.  Null, you should be mad at Sony, not eschmunk.  There aren't many situations where someone can make a ton of money in the gaming community so easily.  If you don't like what he's doing, just wait until next summer when they are available to everyone.  In the meantime, write congress and tell them to make Sony stop being so mean.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #60 on: November 23, 2006, 11:39:01 pm »
You won't have a chance to get one in a store by Chirstmas so make someone really happy.


yeah that's the Christmas spirit.... buy a hard to get product double the value and then tell people they are ---Cleveland steamer--- because thay aren't buying one for someone for Christmas....

Greed will get you eventually, like others have said you bought it and have the right to do whatever with it.... Just hope you come back and post when karma kicks your greedy ass....

oh and I have no interest in a PS3, I just don't think strongly of scalpers and especially those who use holidays to tell people they are crap if they don't have one wrapped in a box under the tree for someone since that is the perceived meaning of Christmas....


might as well change your name to e-schmuck....
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« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2006, 06:21:02 am »
I am beginning to love post like these.

I look at it this way.  I am providing a service to the parents who would like to buy a ps3 for their kids.

How many parents are able to take the day off from work and their kid for two days?  Not many and if they can they were out there.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2006, 11:24:26 am »
Forget this - I'm going to build my own PS3!

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« Reply #63 on: November 24, 2006, 12:19:20 pm »

I might do that myself... I have 3 PS1s...

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« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2006, 01:01:48 pm »
im gonna build a ps8 with my 6 psones and one pstwo ill be preety clost to the ps9 then!
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« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2006, 03:42:58 pm »
You won't have a chance to get one in a store by Chirstmas so make someone really happy.


yeah that's the Christmas spirit.... buy a hard to get product double the value and then tell people they are ---Cleveland steamer--- because thay aren't buying one for someone for Christmas....

Greed will get you eventually, like others have said you bought it and have the right to do whatever with it.... Just hope you come back and post when karma kicks your greedy ass....

oh and I have no interest in a PS3, I just don't think strongly of scalpers and especially those who use holidays to tell people they are crap if they don't have one wrapped in a box under the tree for someone since that is the perceived meaning of Christmas....


might as well change your name to e-schmuck....


I don't really understand the aggression here.  I can appreciate it if it were heart medication.  We're talking about a video game.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #66 on: November 24, 2006, 05:52:57 pm »
Umm... I think this thread needs moderating... I'm just not sure how?
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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #67 on: November 24, 2006, 06:57:45 pm »
Umm... I think this thread needs moderating... I'm just not sure how?

I have an idea, close it.

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #68 on: November 24, 2006, 07:10:25 pm »
I was just going to recommend a one-way ticket to post HELL :banghead:

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Re: F/S Sony Playstation 3 20GB
« Reply #69 on: November 24, 2006, 07:47:13 pm »