Author Topic: 21" OEM PC Monitors $50 (Read 11798 times)

Karman · « **Reply #40 on:** May 03, 2004, 02:42:39 pm »

Has anyone that ordered one of these from computer surplus outlet received notice that it shipped?

By the way - they have a "sale" going on right now with $2.99 shipping. Only problem is, they raised the price of the monitor to $109

pathdoc2 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 03, 2004, 04:57:09 pm »

I ordered one over a week ago and it has not been shipped. I don't know what's up.

pathdoc2 · « **Reply #42 on:** May 05, 2004, 10:14:19 am »

Mine finally shipped and should be here on 5/7.

Arcadiac · « **Reply #43 on:** May 07, 2004, 12:38:39 am »

Ordered mine on 4-22, didn't ship until 5-4, arriving (estimated) by 5-10.
BTW CSO email support is non-existent, I wrote asking if, since they can't seem to get the monitors shipped in a timely fashion and that now they are running the $2.99 shipping "special" could they please adjust my shipping to reflect the current sale, no reply at all, imagine that.
I'd like to hear from others regarding their experience with this vendor and the monitor they received. I'll post as soon as mine arrives and I can check it out. All the older posts about this have me a bit leery now.
And since passing on a deal is an implied endorsement I think we need to watch out for each other on this one. Thanks all, ARCADIAC!

"Is it paranoia if everyone really is out to get you?"

ithrowbags · « **Reply #44 on:** May 09, 2004, 03:46:45 pm »

Quote from: paigeoliver on April 23, 2004, 10:43:23 pm

I am in St. Louis, and my source is actually higher ($75 + tax) than the online source, but, no shipping costs to deal with.

What is your PC monitor doing? Many faling PC monitors can get good as new again by simply opening them up and adjusting the assorted POTS inside (which provide a MUCH wider range of adjustment than the onscreen controls).

I'm in the St. Louis area. Where do you find these at?

Superdude · « **Reply #45 on:** May 09, 2004, 10:59:04 pm »

Still have recieved mine. I did recieve a notice that it was sent out.

Chris · « **Reply #46 on:** May 09, 2004, 11:17:00 pm »

Quote from: ithrowbags on May 09, 2004, 03:46:45 pm

I'm in the St. Louis area. Where do you find these at?

I'm guessing he's talking about http://www.bizsyscon.com/ . They were very friendly and helpful when I bought my WG D9100 from them (the PixelTouch wouldn't fit in my cab).

--Chris

Lilwolf · « **Reply #47 on:** May 10, 2004, 12:46:50 pm »

Did their version have the touch screen portion working?

If so, I might look into having some sent to me.

Chris · « **Reply #48 on:** May 10, 2004, 02:01:46 pm »

Quote from: Lilwolf on May 10, 2004, 12:46:50 pm

Did their version have the touch screen portion working?

No.

Arcadiac · « **Reply #49 on:** May 10, 2004, 06:40:27 pm »

As always if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. Monitor arrived, set it up, plugged it in, great picture IF you can live with what looks like a line of magnetic intereference 8" tall by 2" wide along the right side. And before anyone asks no there are no speakers etc. next to the monitor that would cause a bad pic. So now its off to try to deal with getting a replacement, either that or I just gained a 90 pound doorstop. This really pisses me off that these were recommended and evidently CSO doesn't even bother to check them out before shipping.
I should have known better. Damn!!

Spaced Invader · « **Reply #50 on:** May 10, 2004, 08:37:18 pm »

Arcadiac, does the monitor have a degauss button? It looks like that's your problem. If it doesn't degauss itself you may need one of these...

http://www.datadev.com/dc13.html

Note: a lot of monitors degauss at startup...might try turning it on and off a few times...

Arcadiac · « **Reply #51 on:** May 10, 2004, 09:20:46 pm »

It appears that I have over-reacted. After locating the hidden buttons degaussing and adjusting the picture, all is well.
Sometimes the simplest solutions are the hardest to remember. You all saved ---my bottom--- again!! Thanks all! ARCADIAC

Superdude · « **Reply #52 on:** May 10, 2004, 11:01:17 pm »

Mine looks real good except it looks really used. No burn in though... Looks like a good deal so far.

Nannuu · « **Reply #53 on:** May 10, 2004, 11:35:51 pm »

Alright, I'm an idiot. I got mine, hooked it up but I get nothing. The monitor powering up sound is there but no picture. I've pushed every button at least 327 times. And it did come with a nasty gash in the box (yay, go Fedex) but the monitor seems to be in nice condition. Not broken glass or anything jiggling around in the case. There is a power button and 4 other buttons right?

Nannuu · « **Reply #54 on:** May 10, 2004, 11:57:41 pm »

Did I say I'm an idiot? Yep, yes I did. Well it works now. Have no idea what I did. I plugged and unplugged everything a couple more times and now it pops on no problem. Excellent!

jerryjanis · « **Reply #55 on:** May 11, 2004, 12:05:35 am »

Quote from: Nannuu on May 10, 2004, 11:57:41 pm

Did I say I'm an idiot? Yep, yes I did. Well it works now. Have no idea what I did. I plugged and unplugged everything a couple more times and now it pops on no problem. Excellent!

This is great! It's scary to recommend something and watch the negative responses start rolling in. So far, it looks like everyone has had decent luck. The tear in your cardboard box looks pretty scary, though.

Iori · « **Reply #56 on:** May 11, 2004, 01:25:34 am »

Damn! Saw all the negative feedback and was ready to give up on it for me that is... now that people are getting them going and liking them so much...

I want to get one again!

But that is how it goes eh? Glad to hear that they are working well for you guys.

Karman · « **Reply #57 on:** May 11, 2004, 08:22:25 am »

Mine is supposed to be delivered today. A question for those that received theirs already - did they come with the power and VGA cables?

By the way - Computer Surplus Outlet is offering the $2.99 shipping deal on entire PALLETS of these monitors.

I wonder how many can fit on a pallet. Not many, I suppose.

Lilwolf · « **Reply #58 on:** May 11, 2004, 08:44:23 am »

Crud... I thought the 2.99 special was for individuals (50 + 50 shipping changed to 109 + 3 to get rid of local walkins).

Oh well.. wanted to get 2... but I let my wife talk me out of it... Now the price doubles... sigh...

Witchboard · « **Reply #59 on:** May 11, 2004, 08:50:06 am »

Do you get the discount shipping after you make the online purchase? I don't see anywhere where it talks about it, but I could be blind.

Edit: Ah, there it is. I went ahead and ordered one. With all the praises and the smaller cabinet I'm building this will be cheaper than the alternative I was looking at. I'll let you know how mine is when it shows up.

Arcadiac · « **Reply #60 on:** May 11, 2004, 12:02:02 pm »

$109 + $3 = $112, for me this still would have been a few bux cheaper, my total was $120 . The only gripe I have now is the e-mail support is terrible and there is no support phone number to get your questions answered. Good thing we have each other, eh? BTW, the vga and power cables do come with the monitor. Be sure to do all of your video adjustments before installing this beast, you definitely will not be pulling this thing in and out of your cab often and all of the adjustment buttons are on the side. Now on to figure out how to mount this monster in my cab! I'm a fairly large guy but I almost dropped the damn thing trying to put it in my cab to check dimensions and angle. Gonna have to get some help with it for sure. As always Thanks! ARCADIAC!

rampy · « **Reply #61 on:** May 11, 2004, 02:14:17 pm »

regarding mounting:

I guess you could either go the "shelf" route or the *danger exposed innards warning* remove the outer metal casing and bolt it on rails like an arcade monitor.

Granted my project was a conversion of an existing cabinet so I could sorta follow the mounting of the previous (missing) monitor. If you make your way to my photo gallery (or go through the diary of a madman) on my ubercade site you can see how I mounted mine (it's actually kind of comical "custom" job, but it's wedged in there pretty good and survived one move without issue.

*shrug* good luck to everyone on their projects.

Rampy

Karman · « **Reply #62 on:** May 11, 2004, 04:03:40 pm »

I just received mine. Works perfect and looks great. I may pick one of these up for my home computer if the wife doesn't think the case is too ugly. This thing is built like a tank.

Lilwolf · « **Reply #63 on:** May 11, 2004, 04:05:31 pm »

Where is it? I didn't see it! I'm thinking of getting 2 and need to confirm the shipping before getting 'wife oks'

Quote from: Witchboard on May 11, 2004, 08:50:06 am

Do you get the discount shipping after you make the online purchase? I don't see anywhere where it talks about it, but I could be blind.

Edit: Ah, there it is. I went ahead and ordered one. With all the praises and the smaller cabinet I'm building this will be cheaper than the alternative I was looking at. I'll let you know how mine is when it shows up.

Witchboard · « **Reply #64 on:** May 11, 2004, 06:48:19 pm »

Quote from: Lilwolf on May 11, 2004, 04:05:31 pm

Where is it? I didn't see it! I'm thinking of getting 2 and need to confirm the shipping before getting 'wife oks'

Quote from: Witchboard on May 11, 2004, 08:50:06 am
Do you get the discount shipping after you make the online purchase? I don't see anywhere where it talks about it, but I could be blind.

Edit: Ah, there it is. I went ahead and ordered one. With all the praises and the smaller cabinet I'm building this will be cheaper than the alternative I was looking at. I'll let you know how mine is when it shows up.

I had to make the purchase and the shipping cost changed when I finalized. I didn't see it listed anywhere on the description. In fact the description states it's around $70 or so to ship. I don't even know how these guys knew it was $2.99 shipping.

Edit: Wow, that's kind of scary. I've read where you guys have waited almost a week for them to even ship it. I've already got my shipping verification and I just ordered it today.

Arcadiac · « **Reply #65 on:** May 11, 2004, 09:53:48 pm »

Witchboard an Lil Wolf, the CSO main page claims $2.99 ground shipping on all orders. I ordered mine about 2 weeks ago when they were $49.99 plus $70.00 fedex ground shipping, no $2.99 "special". For $120.00 they were a good value, however I can't say I would pay any more than that for these monitors. I can see problems down the road with making adjustments because of the controls being on the side and the monitor being so heavy. But I, like many others here, like a good deal and I bought one knowing that there could be problems, expensive return shipping included.
A warranty that doesn't include return shipping costs for me is worthless. And I was unaware however of the non-existant tech support. I still have heard nothing from the 2 emails I sent, one this week and one last week. That's just bad business and I won't recommend dealing with CSO for that reason alone. In future I will not buy another of these unless some appear in my area, where I could just go pick one up.
It will be interesting to find out what happens is one of us has to return one of these, I know we have to pay our own return shipping and I for one would be wary of doing that as I don't believe CSO would refund that bit.
I can only share my experience, mixed as it is and you make your own decisions about whether to buy or not.
Just for reference, the last 21" monitor I bought online was a refurb IBM branded Trinitron from newegg.com for $309 plus $2.99 ground shipping and 3-yr warranty for additional $29 for a total of about $341. Not bad for an $1100 monitor, but considerably more than the KDS at CSO. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do for your projects! I hope some of this drivel helped. Thanks all, ARCADIAC

Witchboard · « **Reply #66 on:** May 11, 2004, 10:04:59 pm »

Quote from: Arcadiac on May 11, 2004, 09:53:48 pm

Witchboard an Lil Wolf, the CSO main page claims $2.99 ground shipping on all orders. I ordered mine about 2 weeks ago when they were $49.99 plus $70.00 fedex ground shipping, no $2.99 "special". For $120.00 they were a good value, however I can't say I would pay any more than that for these monitors. I can see problems down the road with making adjustments because of the controls being on the side and the monitor being so heavy. But I, like many others here, like a good deal and I bought one knowing that there could be problems, expensive return shipping included.
A warranty that doesn't include return shipping costs for me is worthless. And I was unaware however of the non-existant tech support. I still have heard nothing from the 2 emails I sent, one this week and one last week. That's just bad business and I won't recommend dealing with CSO for that reason alone. In future I will not buy another of these unless some appear in my area, where I could just go pick one up.
It will be interesting to find out what happens is one of us has to return one of these, I know we have to pay our own return shipping and I for one would be wary of doing that as I don't believe CSO would refund that bit.
I can only share my experience, mixed as it is and you make your own decisions about whether to buy or not.
Just for reference, the last 21" monitor I bought online was a refurb IBM branded Trinitron from newegg.com for $309 plus $2.99 ground shipping and 3-yr warranty for additional $29 for a total of about $341. Not bad for an $1100 monitor, but considerably more than the KDS at CSO. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do for your projects! I hope some of this drivel helped. Thanks all, ARCADIAC

What kind of problems are you experiencing with your monitor? Have you tried the KDS website to see if they have a FAQ or support page?

Arcadiac · « **Reply #67 on:** May 12, 2004, 01:24:30 am »

The problem was almost 2 weeks to ship, no way to effectively track the monitor shipment until then, almost 3 weeks to arrive and no reply to my support e-mails. Bad business, not responding to your customers, especially when I had a problem with the display and was considering returning the thing. Everything has worked out so far, the monitor problem was fixed with advice from this board. I guess I am spoiled by the way most other vendors treat their customers. Oh, well.
ARCADIAC!

Witchboard · « **Reply #68 on:** May 12, 2004, 09:45:27 am »

Ah, so it was more of a customer service problem than a product issue. Yeah, dealing with Bob Roberts and Andy Warne really spoils you. They are quick to reply with great customer service. I'm hoping everything works out also. Hopefully since I know the controls are on the side I won't have any need to attempt to contact them. I guess I lucked out. I got the fedex confirmation the evening after I ordered and it's scheduled to hit my door step this Friday. If it shows up on time that will be like 4 days including Tuesday when i ordered it to the time I sign for it.

hunky_artist · « **Reply #69 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:27:02 am »

does anyone know of anywhere in the UK that would do these (or even just something similar?)

also, how well do these monintors play vector games? are they essentially just PC monitors?

thanks

Lilwolf · « **Reply #70 on:** May 13, 2004, 10:15:08 am »

The ARE just PC monitors. So don't expect it to be great for emulation. I'm not interested for that reason. They are just cheap 21" monitors.

You will get MUCH better output with a true arcade monitor and an ArcadeVGA video card.

BUT for vector games. Higher the resolution the better they look. Because the original was at near infanite resolution (not detail, but resolution) based on the technology it uses.

Witchboard · « **Reply #71 on:** May 14, 2004, 10:14:25 pm »

Okay.. got my monitor in the mail today. Box was beat up pretty bad, but the unit looks to have no burn in and like it's in real good condition... physically. I won't know how the picture looks until Monday since I didn't receive any cables with mine. No big deal, I can get cables from work.. but I was wanting to play with it this weekend.

Okay... comparison time. What model did you guys get? Mine has a model number of KVS-21.

I have the option of using a VGA cable or looks like RGB. Which should I use? Is one better than the other?

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #72 on:** May 15, 2004, 12:22:42 am »

Supposedly the R g b H V cable is supposed to be a cleaner signal. Maybe due to the thicker cables.

But I honestly see no differences with the test ive done.

Arcadiac · « **Reply #73 on:** May 15, 2004, 01:51:35 am »

Quote from: rampy on May 11, 2004, 02:14:17 pm

regarding mounting:

I guess you could either go the "shelf" route or the *danger exposed innards warning* remove the outer metal casing and bolt it on rails like an arcade monitor.

Granted my project was a conversion of an existing cabinet so I could sorta follow the mounting of the previous (missing) monitor. If you make your way to my photo gallery (or go through the diary of a madman) on my ubercade site you can see how I mounted mine (it's actually kind of comical "custom" job, but it's wedged in there pretty good and survived one move without issue.

*shrug* good luck to everyone on their projects.

Rampy

Thanks Rampy with minor adjustments your idea worked for me, see this thread:
http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=17788
Got another battle scar fron the front of the monitor frame pinching the tip of my finger, all part of the process! I appreciate your input and help. How did you end up dealing with the thing sticking out of the back? I could cut my backboard down a bit but that won't solve the monitor poking out and would spoil the look of the original cab. I really don't want it bumping the wall as the monitor could get damaged. Thanks again all for your help! ARCADIAC!

Witchboard · « **Reply #74 on:** May 15, 2004, 11:27:02 pm »

Well, looks like I may have gotten a bad apple. I haven't plugged it into a computer yet, but when I put power to it and turn it on... it makes a funny noise and I can hear the monitor trying to turn. It's almost sounds like a bad hard-drive trying to start up. I'll give it 'til Monday and get a cable and see what happens. I've turned it off for now in case it was a component frying inside. May have to crack it open and see if it's fixable, but who knows.

Kremmit · « **Reply #75 on:** May 16, 2004, 02:38:42 am »

Is the shipping special still on? I can't find mention of it anywhere.

I see they've got pallets of 8 for $89 each and lots of 4 for $99 each.

rampy · « **Reply #76 on:** May 16, 2004, 10:03:04 pm »

Quote from: Arcadiac on May 15, 2004, 01:51:35 am

Thanks Rampy with minor adjustments your idea worked for me, see this thread:
http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=17788
Got another battle scar fron the front of the monitor frame pinching the tip of my finger, all part of the process! I appreciate your input and help. How did you end up dealing with the thing sticking out of the back? I could cut my backboard down a bit but that won't solve the monitor poking out and would spoil the look of the original cab. I really don't want it bumping the wall as the monitor could get damaged. Thanks again all for your help! ARCADIAC!

LOL I've got a scar on my right thumb from when one of the kds's corners "bit" me =)

Well, realize that my original monitor is mounted a much flatte angle than yours... i.e. you look more downard at mine, where as your's is at a 90 degree angle... so it works out that I only have one corner peeking out that won't clear the door. I drilled a hole in the back door and then used a jigsaw to cut out a squareish hole in the back of the coor for the corner to stick out...

It was my plan to then cover the hole with some sort of a "wire" guard... like the kind you sometimes see on case fans... or create some sort of box enclosure/bumpout thingie ... but that part faces the wall so it doesn't get noticed or bother me (and it's not THAT exposed on mine... ) i'll take a picture at some point and attach it, but i reckon that you'll have much more monitor to protude from the back of your cabinet to deal with...

good luck!

rampy

cica · « **Reply #77 on:** May 18, 2004, 11:52:05 am »

I just got mine this morning. Powered it up, and it looks great. The picture is as good as my current 19" PC monitor but it's about 2" wider and 1 1/2" taller. No burn in, no scratches.

-Tom

Lilwolf · « **Reply #78 on:** May 18, 2004, 01:18:09 pm »

I started the first post on these guys a year ago...

And I JUST ordered 2. Hopefully I get as good results as everyone else here.

It will be nice to have in my dual monitor development system at home to have two of the same monitors

AlanS17 · « **Reply #79 on:** May 18, 2004, 03:17:42 pm »

How well would one of these work for a cocktail cabinet? Would it fit (at least decently) well into a standard 19" machine? Also, did the price go up or something? It says $109 on the website. Perhaps thee things got popular cuz of this site.

By the way, I'm not finding this deal on shipping that everybody is talking about. It's only quoting me full-priced shipping (and even mentions it in the item description).


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