Author Topic: 21" OEM PC Monitors $50 (Read 11741 times)

Santoro · « **on:** April 21, 2004, 09:08:48 pm »

http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/viewproduct.asp?productid=MON-KDS21

Edit - these are used and shipping will cost almost as much. The case looks nice for a Mame cab though.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #1 on:** April 21, 2004, 09:18:42 pm »

I have 3 of those, they totally rock.

They actually DO have power and control buttons, they are hidden on the side, and you need a pen or something to stick in to access them.

crashwg · « **Reply #2 on:** April 21, 2004, 09:50:32 pm »

Everyday, Paige, your place sounds more and more like a warehouse.

I can just picture it now... "where's the bathroom?" "Go that-a-way, past the cocktail, turn left and go between the pinball and the shelf with all the monitors on it. You may have to turn sideways to fit through, but it's through there I swear. Also, you may want to tie a string to the front door and hang on to the other end in case you get lost."

paigeoliver · « **Reply #3 on:** April 21, 2004, 09:55:35 pm »

I keep a lot of stuff in my basement storage.

Although the amount of stuff I do have is truly frightening. It would be even worse if I didn't have the habit of trading 19" standard res monitors for favors (game pickup and/or delivery), and if I hadn't traded that truckload (literally) of parts for a nice pin a while back.

But, my stash is tiny compared to what some guys have. I know guys who have entire barn/storage buildings, basements, etc just jammed with games and parts. I have seen guys who literally have ROOMS filled with 19" monitors.

jerryjanis · « **Reply #4 on:** April 22, 2004, 12:22:19 am »

I'm using that monitor for my desktop right now. I think I paid $75.00 plus another $75 for shipping (it was used, but not very much), and it was probably one of the best purchases I've ever made! I was expecting that it would be a substandard monitor, but when I plugged it in (and actually took it apart before I found the hidden power button) and saw it come alive, my jaw dropped! It really produces an incredibly crisp, clear image. I run it at 1600x1200, and I would probably run it at a higher resolution if I had any use for the real estate, but I don't. It goes up to (I forget) something like 1920x1440 I think.

Karman · « **Reply #5 on:** April 22, 2004, 10:34:09 am »

Has anyone here ordered from computersurplusoutlet.com before?

Psychosylph · « **Reply #6 on:** April 22, 2004, 11:41:20 am »

* Psychosylph smiles about 21" monitor I picked up at a garage sale for $35...

SirPeale · « **Reply #7 on:** April 22, 2004, 11:50:18 am »

Quote from: Karman on April 22, 2004, 10:34:09 am

Has anyone here ordered from computersurplusoutlet.com before?

Many times. Great place. Bargains all the time. Their stuff is constantly changing, keep your eye on the site.

pathdoc2 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 22, 2004, 03:28:38 pm »

I just order one of these for my next project. Looks perfect for a Mame machine. Thanks. Shipping to TX was $68.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #9 on:** April 22, 2004, 03:59:09 pm »

Those are perfect. The tube size is just slightly larger than a standard 19" arcade monitor and a standard 19" bezel fits up to it fairly well.

They DO tend to poke out of the back of most cabinets just slightly when you replace a standard 19" arcade monitor with one of them.

I have one in my "Galaga" mini (which pokes WAY out the back because that cabinet originally came with a frameless 19" tube, that only had a half inch clearance to begin with).

I also have one in my Defender cabinet, sticks out about an inch.

Finally, I used one in the recent Donkey-Tron (Frogger style cabinet), that I made for a customer, sticks out a half inch in back.

I usually mount them this way. set the monitor on the "shelf", take the back metal cover off, run six screws through the bottom of the monitor enclosure (through the shelf), and then put the cover back on.

rampy · « **Reply #10 on:** April 22, 2004, 04:09:56 pm »

I didn't buy from these guys (I think...) but this the monitor I used in my cabinet and have been pretty happy with it (yeah i'd rather have a real arcade monitor and AVGA card, but that wasn't an option at the time... )

so yeah.. thumbs up.. .it's heavy as hell. I got mine off of ebay used for 50 bucks plus 50 bucks shipping...

rampy

paigeoliver · « **Reply #11 on:** April 22, 2004, 04:12:23 pm »

I bought mine from a local warehouse for $75 each. I should have bought more of them.

Karman · « **Reply #12 on:** April 22, 2004, 04:56:03 pm »

This is starting to sound too good to be true! Is this monitor multisync like a standard PC monitor? If I run Pac-Man, Galaga, or one of the other vertical games on it while mounted horizontally, will it look as good as it does on my regular PC without the need for ArcadeVGA, Adv Mame, etc.?

The reason I ask, is that I'm already running an open frame VGA (640x480) but its a fixed freq. monitor at 31.5. I set up Adv Mame (ugh!) but the vertical games still have lines missing.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #13 on:** April 22, 2004, 05:08:25 pm »

These are essentially PC monitors. PC monitor tube, PC monitor boardset, only the frame is different than a stock PC monitor.

Karman · « **Reply #14 on:** April 22, 2004, 05:19:12 pm »

Quote from: paigeoliver on April 22, 2004, 05:08:25 pm

These are essentially PC monitors. PC monitor tube, PC monitor boardset, only the frame is different than a stock PC monitor.

So you can throw a 15khz vertical game at them with no problems and it fills the screen?

These are starting to sound like an economical (and smaller) substitute for the WG 9200.

Knievel · « **Reply #15 on:** April 22, 2004, 05:20:00 pm »

There's one up on Ebay right now, you can see what the back looks like...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=187&item=4124702157&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Superdude · « **Reply #16 on:** April 22, 2004, 11:22:37 pm »

Thanks for the tip! I just bought one myself!

Arcadiac · « **Reply #17 on:** April 23, 2004, 12:12:58 am »

Quote from: Superdude on April 22, 2004, 11:22:37 pm

Thanks for the tip! I just bought one myself!

Me too! Thanks as usual for the tip, I can now reclaim my IBM monitor for my regular PC! ARCADIAC!

Santoro · « **Reply #18 on:** April 23, 2004, 06:48:20 am »

Quote from: Karman on April 22, 2004, 05:19:12 pm

Quote from: paigeoliver on April 22, 2004, 05:08:25 pm
These are essentially PC monitors. PC monitor tube, PC monitor boardset, only the frame is different than a stock PC monitor.

So you can throw a 15khz vertical game at them with no problems and it fills the screen?

These are starting to sound like an economical (and smaller) substitute for the WG 9200.

No!

These are PC monitors, not Arcade montitors, and don't do 15khz. There are some peope that prefer a PC monitor for various reasons and these are better than your average PC monitor. {edit: for MAME anyway}

Lilwolf · « **Reply #19 on:** April 23, 2004, 08:41:07 am »

I wish there was someone selling them local... I would drive and pick up two... but for my PC systems.

I'm a little worried about getting a few bad ones... Are they being sold asis?

Karman · « **Reply #20 on:** April 23, 2004, 11:23:00 am »

My knowledge on scan rates, etc. has reached its limit so I can use some advice before I order one of these.

When I run a classic game on my pc, the monitor "clicks" and seems to change the scan and/or refresh rate. The games (even verticals like Galaga) look great. They don't have the perfect arcade look with scan lines, etc. but they look perfect in the way of not missing any lines, filling up the screen, etc. What exactly is the monitor doing to change the scan and/or refresh rate and what is coming into play in the way of hardware stretching? I was under the impression that the monitor (being "multisync") was bumping down to emulate 15khz somehow. I know it doesn't actually run at 15khz like the WG 9200 does, but what is the monitor doing when it "clicks"?

And a question for anyone that owns one of these 21" KDS monitors - how do vertical games look on it?

rampy · « **Reply #21 on:** April 23, 2004, 12:11:42 pm »

ms pacman (granted not perfect photography, but... should be enough to answer your question re:vertical games, no?)

I've got dig dug screenie somewhere (but not in my gallery...) i'll dig it up... (no pun intended) and post it.

mr do old crappy bezel no tint slightly fuzzy (250k jpgs -- was just dumped there never bothered to resize... )

note that technically the software scanlines are going the "wrong way"

another large do shot

another large do shot

sfII for comparison

rampy

Karman · « **Reply #22 on:** April 23, 2004, 02:17:49 pm »

Thanks Jerry and rampy - I'm going to give it a go.

Iori · « **Reply #23 on:** April 23, 2004, 03:18:38 pm »

Anyone who has one of these mind measuring how much space is between the bottom of the case and the screen on this monitor? I think that it is just a little bit too big for my mini cab...

But hoping that I could squeeze it in there if there is enough room at the bottom there....

Thanks...

paigeoliver · « **Reply #24 on:** April 23, 2004, 04:16:52 pm »

These things are monsters. I am not at home to measure mine right now, but the real size issue with these is depth.

jerryjanis · « **Reply #25 on:** April 23, 2004, 04:48:23 pm »

Quote from: Iori on April 23, 2004, 03:18:38 pm

Anyone who has one of these mind measuring how much space is between the bottom of the case and the screen on this monitor? I think that it is just a little bit too big for my mini cab... But hoping that I could squeeze it in there if there is enough room at the bottom there.... Thanks...

Here are some quick measurements:

From bottom of case to bottom of screen: ~2.5 inches
From top of case to top of screen: ~1.5 inches
From side of case to side of screen: ~1.5 inches

Iori · « **Reply #26 on:** April 23, 2004, 05:03:05 pm »

Quote from: jerryjanis on April 23, 2004, 04:48:23 pm

Quote from: Iori on April 23, 2004, 03:18:38 pm
Anyone who has one of these mind measuring how much space is between the bottom of the case and the screen on this monitor? I think that it is just a little bit too big for my mini cab... But hoping that I could squeeze it in there if there is enough room at the bottom there.... Thanks...

Here are some quick measurements:

From bottom of case to bottom of screen: ~2.5 inches
From top of case to top of screen: ~1.5 inches
From side of case to side of screen: ~1.5 inches

Cool...

That just may be perfect! Hate to be a bother again, but if you don't mind measuring distance from the front on the top to where the slanted edge on the back side starts that would be awesome too... Thanks again!

GamingGreg · « **Reply #27 on:** April 23, 2004, 05:10:31 pm »

Quote from: Karman on April 23, 2004, 11:23:00 am

My knowledge on scan rates, etc. has reached its limit so I can use some advice before I order one of these.

When I run a classic game on my pc, the monitor "clicks" and seems to change the scan and/or refresh rate. The games (even verticals like Galaga) look great. They don't have the perfect arcade look with scan lines, etc. but they look perfect in the way of not missing any lines, filling up the screen, etc. What exactly is the monitor doing to change the scan and/or refresh rate and what is coming into play in the way of hardware stretching? I was under the impression that the monitor (being "multisync") was bumping down to emulate 15khz somehow. I know it doesn't actually run at 15khz like the WG 9200 does, but what is the monitor doing when it "clicks"?

And a question for anyone that owns one of these 21" KDS monitors - how do vertical games look on it?

The clicking is just changing the video mode to a different resolution. (I'm assuming your running MAME fullscreen). It's not changing the refresh rate, just the resolution. If your not telling it what resolution to run, it picks something close to the original game (and possibly hardware streches it). At least that's my understanding.

jerryjanis · « **Reply #28 on:** April 23, 2004, 06:56:36 pm »

Quote from: Iori on April 23, 2004, 05:03:05 pm

Cool... That just may be perfect! Hate to be a bother again, but if you don't mind measuring distance from the front on the top to where the slanted edge on the back side starts that would be awesome too... Thanks again!

That's about 3 1/4 inch.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #29 on:** April 23, 2004, 08:25:37 pm »

Whee, the place I used to buy them from has another couple pallets of them. I am going to go buy three more!

Lilwolf · « **Reply #30 on:** April 23, 2004, 09:28:26 pm »

paige... where do you live? I'm hoping to find some in the ohio area... One of my PC monitors is about to die... and I would LOVE to get too... but I don't like shipping monitors... especially from someone I don't know enought to trust the (I tested it perfect before I sent it).

paigeoliver · « **Reply #31 on:** April 23, 2004, 10:43:23 pm »

I am in St. Louis, and my source is actually higher ($75 + tax) than the online source, but, no shipping costs to deal with.

What is your PC monitor doing? Many faling PC monitors can get good as new again by simply opening them up and adjusting the assorted POTS inside (which provide a MUCH wider range of adjustment than the onscreen controls).

Iori · « **Reply #32 on:** April 25, 2004, 06:47:34 pm »

Quote from: jerryjanis on April 23, 2004, 06:56:36 pm

Quote from: Iori on April 23, 2004, 05:03:05 pm
Cool... That just may be perfect! Hate to be a bother again, but if you don't mind measuring distance from the front on the top to where the slanted edge on the back side starts that would be awesome too... Thanks again!

That's about 3 1/4 inch.

Are you sure that is right? On the site describing the monitor they say that it is about 20" deep... I would think it would be more around 10" or so for this...

jerryjanis · « **Reply #33 on:** April 25, 2004, 07:32:15 pm »

The photo from www.computersurplusoutlet.com looks a little different than my monitor, actually.

Mine is a KDS PixelTouch 21 inch monitor, so I don't know why the pictures are different. It might be worth emailing computersurplusoutlet.com and finding out what the actual dimensions are. Maybe the picture is wrong, or maybe the case is different than mine.

Santoro · « **Reply #34 on:** April 25, 2004, 07:52:06 pm »

Looks like they raised the price to $59.

Iori · « **Reply #35 on:** April 25, 2004, 08:22:21 pm »

Quote from: jerryjanis on April 25, 2004, 07:32:15 pm

The photo from www.computersurplusoutlet.com looks a little different than my monitor, actually.

Mine is a KDS PixelTouch 21 inch monitor, so I don't know why the pictures are different. It might be worth emailing computersurplusoutlet.com and finding out what the actual dimensions are. Maybe the picture is wrong, or maybe the case is different than mine.

Sounds like a good idea... thanks! Very close to being the right size for my machine.

Thanks again for the help!

Lilwolf · « **Reply #36 on:** April 26, 2004, 08:25:09 am »

It will only turn on if I set it up to 640x480 @120hz. Other wise it tries to start... and then turns itself back off.

Once I change resolution, and turn it on... I can set any setting I want. So I can only use it as a second monitor (which is ok for now).

but it USED to work at 1024x768@85, and then 800x600... so its getting harder and harder to get it to click on...

Quote from: paigeoliver on April 23, 2004, 10:43:23 pm

I am in St. Louis, and my source is actually higher ($75 + tax) than the online source, but, no shipping costs to deal with.

What is your PC monitor doing? Many faling PC monitors can get good as new again by simply opening them up and adjusting the assorted POTS inside (which provide a MUCH wider range of adjustment than the onscreen controls).

Karman · « **Reply #37 on:** April 26, 2004, 09:47:22 am »

Quote from: Santoro on April 25, 2004, 07:52:06 pm

Looks like they raised the price to $59.

They also raised the shipping cost by a couple of dollars.

MonitorGuru · « **Reply #38 on:** April 27, 2004, 12:24:59 pm »

For those of you not around about 2 years ago, here are the threads that talk about these 21" Hitachi tube/KDS PixelTouch monitors. Good and bad info galore.

Summary:
- Heavy, bulky, big, expensive to ship
- Can remove metal shield for smaller size
- Hidden on screen control buttons behind metal shield
- Some arrived with nicks in the glass/anti-glare coating
- Some arrived with light burn-in from KIOSK use
- A few arrived DOA or died soon

Original Thread:
http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=1820

Other threads:
http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=1958

http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=6566

http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=6372

Lilwolf · « **Reply #39 on:** April 27, 2004, 02:18:28 pm »

lol!

considering buying one... started the thread the first time

forgot..

remembered seeing them before..


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