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Project EXPANSE - (2-2, color sand, more paint)
« on: October 17, 2018, 11:29:00 am »


Starting up a new project. It's been at least 10 years since the last cabinet I made.

Project Goals
  • Single sheet of plywood
  • Wall mounted
  • Unique design

The Hardware
  • Ultrastik 360's
  • Servostik mod for the above
  • HAPP 3" trackball
  • Aimtrak recoil guns

The plan is to use a couple of HDTV mounts to hang the cabinet on the wall over the top of a plugin so it's completely contained and preserves precious floor space.

Going to get started hopefully this weekend on making some templates out of hardboard to begin routing!

Thanks for having a look and for any feedback.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2019, 05:28:49 pm by meltman »

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2018, 11:35:11 am »
The base of an arcade cabinet doesn't extend past the control panel. You are saving zero floor space unless you store stuff under the cab when it is not in use. You also sacrifice the ability to move it easily.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2018, 11:39:21 am »
This design will allow barstools to be tucked right up against, saving floor space.

Having it be easy to move isn't an objective. There's a spot on the wall where it's going to go and it will stay there.

I'd make the argument that any "skinny" depth cabinet needs to be anchored to the wall with kids around so unless I build a full depth one it wont be easy to move.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2018, 11:40:06 am »
Unless I am missing something. Disclaimer: drawings are not to scale.


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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2018, 11:46:48 am »
Interesting design.  Why the overhang on the sides of the CP?

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2018, 11:47:15 am »
It makes sense if you are going to store your bar stools under there. Otherwise you could anchor a skinny cab to the wall for more stability.

You have a clear idea of what you want to do. Good luck with your build.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2018, 11:50:11 am »
Going to get started hopefully this weekend on making some templates out of hardboard to begin routing!
Interesting design.   ;D

One possible issue is the distance between the trackball and monitor bezel.

You might want to make a cardboard mockup to see if there is enough clearance to avoid jamming your fingers.   :cheers:


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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2018, 11:56:15 am »
I can tell you dont live in Chicago - hah. It's worth it to design for bar stool storage.


Interesting design.  Why the overhang on the sides of the CP?

Beer holding capabilities

One possible issue is the distance between the trackball and monitor bezel.

Absolutely - good call mocking it up. Though the way I play goldentee is using two thumbs instead of whacking it like a maniac.

I'm going to have a piece of tempered glass over the monitor portion, then under the monitor will be an equal thickness speaker grill.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2018, 12:06:52 pm »
I would suggest keeping beverages off of the control surface. Beer has an amazing ability to spill spectacularly. A small end table works well. Your beverages are out of the way, but still close by.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2018, 11:11:15 am »
First round of tools arrived. This project gave me a great excuse to get these. Been wanting a router and saw for awhile now.


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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2018, 11:14:45 am »
This is how it starts. I hope you weren't too attached to your money. ;D

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2018, 05:52:11 pm »
Some work today started with supplies gathering.


Also received my Tripath amplifier and two very skinny speakers from Parts Express. These will go below the monitor.


Here's my ghetto work area under my kitchen.


And finally, some results. These are my router templates for the sides, and top/bottom of the control panel.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2018, 05:57:28 pm »
Normally Iím not a fan of wall-mounted cabs, but youíve planned it out the right way. This one will work out. Kudos to you.



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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2018, 06:35:23 pm »
I appreciate that. I'm not normally a fan either, but I wanted to give this design a go. Usually they look quite weird like a bartop glued to the wall.

On PL1's recommendation, I've extended the play surface 2 inches so there will ample space for trackball play.

Thanks for suggesting that PL1!

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2018, 07:56:11 pm »
I like it. I tried a wall mount a while ago but could never trust my daughter not to practice pull ups on it.

Looks like you've gone for a flat marquee against the wall. You could try some el tape behind some perspex and have some graphics on there if u wanted.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2018, 10:15:22 pm »
I appreciate that. I'm not normally a fan either, but I wanted to give this design a go. Usually they look quite weird like a bartop glued to the wall.

On PL1's recommendation, I've extended the play surface 2 inches so there will ample space for trackball play.

Thanks for suggesting that PL1!

Exactly. A flat bartop causing you to stand a foot from the wall is a bad idea. This is more of a functional game countertop, which I can dig.
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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2018, 07:44:20 am »
Looks like you've gone for a flat marquee against the wall. You could try some el tape behind some perspex and have some graphics on there if u wanted.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2018, 08:26:09 pm »
Not much progress. Spent a bunch of time refining the templates. I made sure they were smooth and straight and that the slots where the boards will "slot" together were dimensionally accurate.



Now that they are good I'll set up the router and make some real pieces soon.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2018, 07:39:53 pm »
Progress!

Traced the templates to rough cut with the jigsaw before routing.


Test fitting!


Much much sawdust after routing.


All clean.



Tomorrow I'm going to try and knock out the other panels, then cut the openings for the access doors under the control panel and on the bottom angled panel.

I have the monitor in my possession as well so I'll be tracing it out and getting the panel created for it as well.


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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2018, 02:36:08 pm »
Youíre a brave soul. The words indoor, mdf, and routing should rarely be used together in the same sentence.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2018, 03:03:00 pm »
On an unrelated subject, why do you have at least 3 good sized water heaters in your basement?
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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2018, 03:39:00 pm »
Different units in his building.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2018, 03:39:19 pm »
What's the name about?

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2018, 04:55:46 pm »
Cool design.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2018, 07:02:55 pm »
What's the name about?

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More updates!
Careful sanding. Man this is precise!


Lots of holes.






Still many more holes to drill.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2018, 04:39:23 pm »
More work complete. First I finished doweling the upper and lower panel, then test fitting.
Fits really well, almost like I 3D modeled it  ;D


Next up was to close the gap on the control panel. I decided to kerf around the edges.


Oh this will work okay!


Aaaand no. I managed to f' that up nicely.


New thought, let's groove the control panel upper and lower and do a hardboard filler.


Entirely too much time later this is where I'm at.




I need to add some support structure inside the control panel, but that is simple to accomplish. This essentially completes the cabinet structure.

Tomorrow I'll tackle control layout, monitor cutout, and access panels. More routing incoming!

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2018, 08:52:44 pm »
I'm putzing around with my router on other, non-arcade-related projects: I really like your hardboard solution! Looks great!

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2018, 11:01:12 am »
Thanks! I think it turned out pretty well.
I did have to use the router to thin down the 5/32" hardboard around the curves. That was too tight of bend for the full thickness.


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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2018, 05:10:36 pm »
Nice technique. Have done my fill of bending wood so know how much a pain in the ass it can be.

Were you planning on putting t-molding on the control panel top and bottom? If so you might want to be careful to make sure the grooves don't cut too far in and weaken the edges. Speaking from experience...!

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2018, 06:47:53 pm »
Nice technique. Have done my fill of bending wood so know how much a pain in the ass it can be.

Were you planning on putting t-molding on the control panel top and bottom? If so you might want to be careful to make sure the grooves don't cut too far in and weaken the edges. Speaking from experience...!

I am putting t-molding on the edges. I think I'm good, the grooves are 1/16th deep so just enough to hold the board in the slot. Definitely appreciate the warning!

Today we cut the bezel! Ignore my drawing all over it.  ::) The speakers are set lower which will make sense once I get glass over the screen.


My adorable little speakers fit perfectly in this 1 1/8" wide slot.


The monitor fits *exactly*. It's hard to see but the edge is rabbeted so the monitor is inset into the panel.




I also cut the access panel for under the controls. It will have a hardboard door when it's all said and done.


Somehow I managed to skip a picture of the lower main access door where the PC will hide. I'll get a pic later. It will also have a hardboard door.


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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright (11-4, Bezel work)
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2018, 05:28:53 am »
Looks good!  Nice sleek design   :applaud:

I'm curious, how did you get all your dowels to line up precisely?

I'm going to use dowels on my bartop project too.  I've 3D printed some little dowel template jigs to use, but curious to hear how you did it.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright (11-4, Bezel work)
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2018, 08:13:17 am »
Thanks!

For the dowels, I carefully measured the spacing, then did the board edge first. I used this jig:
https://www.amazon.com/Milescraft-1319-JointMate-Handheld-Dowel/dp/B01M8L1WVN/ref=sr_1_6?s=power-hand-tools&ie=UTF8&qid=1541422928&sr=1-6&keywords=dowel+jig

Once those holes were drilled, I stood the board up against the other board (where the holes would align in the future), then carefully leaned it over, then put a dowel in, and marked each position.

Then I used a straight edge to center the board in it's proper position and use the same jig (with the edge guard removed) to drill each hole.

You kind of gotta look down the bore of the jig and eye-ball center as best you can. I think I had about 3 dowel holes I had to oblong a bit to make it go together. Not a big deal with all the dowels I used though right? Haha.


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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright (11-4, Bezel work)
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2018, 11:42:50 am »
Haha yeah.  Nice one.  Too many dowel holes shouldn't be a problem :)  Nice little jig that.  :cheers:

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright (11-13, New items)
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2018, 05:29:41 pm »
Got a couple of outstanding items from Andy @ ultimarc. Thanks Andy!





I didn't have much time over the weekend to do any work on the cabinet. I did have time to start working on artwork, specifically the control panel. Slow process that.

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright (11-16, Panel Layout)
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2018, 09:39:03 pm »
I'd love a bit of help on this if anyone can chime in. Here's an image of the control panel layout I'm considering. This will be a plexiglass inlay in the main panel.

I'm mainly looking to see if spacing is appropriate. I saw a thread before that discussed spacing but for the life of me cannot find it.


Input please - does the P1/trackball/P2 spacing look appropriate?

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright (11-16, Panel Layout)
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2018, 01:25:08 am »
Input please - does the P1/trackball/P2 spacing look appropriate?

Your stick-to-buttons distance looks tight to me, just eyeballing it - does the joystick housing beneath the panel clear the button nuts?

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It should. Its an Astro city layout. Iíll print and confirm. The stick to button spacing is based off of this image http://tengokugame.free.fr/panel_scan_astro.jpg

Does the centering look correct? Like from an edge of panel to stick for P1 and edge of panel to buttons for p2?

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Oh, cool.  If it's an existing pattern, it'll surely work as long as you're using a similarly sized stick.

There are several geometry-correct answers to problems like this but what matters is what looks right.

I think it looks okay.  I might try nudging the whole P2 setup a little left, but not much.  1/4 inch maybe, if those are 1 1/8 button holes?  But then I'd just be seeing if I thought that looked better or worse - it's fairly subjective.


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Really appreciate your insight.

After printing and seeing in the real, I have a few adjustments to make.

 :applaud:

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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright (12-1, More woodworking)
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2018, 07:33:58 pm »
Started today by cutting some holes for sticks and trackball.


Next up was to do some routing, taking into account the depth of the plexiglass inlay.


Exactly 1/8" above the stick plate. Perfect.


Worked through the cut for the inlay. Things went... okay. I have some fixing to do after the router bit into the edges a couple times. Nothing a little bondo wont fix.



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Re: Project REDSHIFT - a wall mounted 2-player upright (12-1, More woodworking)
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2018, 08:19:01 pm »
nice work and good progress!
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Re: Project EXPANSE (formerly REDSHIFT) - (12-5, Some Artwork)
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2018, 03:25:41 pm »
Here's some progress on the artwork. I found an artist that gave me permission to use his as a basis for this cabinet.
Feedback is appreciated.


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Re: Project EXPANSE (formerly REDSHIFT) - (12-5, Some Artwork)
« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2018, 08:53:54 am »
I really like the art!

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Re: Project EXPANSE (formerly REDSHIFT) - (12-5, Some Artwork)
« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2018, 11:06:32 am »
Nice theme!  Anything retro sci-fi gets my vote  :applaud:

Not sure about the name tho.   How about:  STELLAR, RETROPOLIS, GET READY or SPECTRA ?


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Re: Project EXPANSE (formerly REDSHIFT) - (12-5, Some Artwork)
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2018, 02:21:49 pm »
Stellar isn't bad. I kind of like that.

Redshift limited my artwork (red duh!)

I'm totally open to name ideas and am not bolted down to anything.

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Re: Project EXPANSE (formerly REDSHIFT) - (12-5, Some Artwork)
« Reply #46 on: December 08, 2018, 06:13:17 pm »
More progress.
First, a detour on the control panel. Adding servos to the U360s.
The spacers are threaded. There is a tiny gap so the gate can rotate.


Cutouts for the servos in the control panel


Next I started to cut the plexiglass inlay but the bit decided to hate me.


So instead I cut the slots for the t-molding.


And made access doors. They fit tight so I need to sand them down a bit.


Finally, I cleaned up some of the oopsies on the control panel with some Bondo.



I still need to make the marquee, rear mounting fixtures, monitor retention blocks, and some supports inside the control panel. So many little things left!

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Re: Project EXPANSE (formerly REDSHIFT) - (12-8, More woodworking)
« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2018, 12:22:40 pm »
Finally had some more time to work on the cabinet.

The inside of the control deck needed internal support to for both structure and to hold the curved hardboard.


Dowels, dowels, and more dowels


Test fitting, validating that it still goes together  ;D


This is looking at the bottom side. There is structure in the middle and rear to support the MDF.


Here's the top side.


Looking from the back.



I'm actually at the point where I could glue-up the control deck at this point. I think I may wait until the rest is ready for glue up then have a gluestraviganza!

I'm really happy with the weight of the control panel and the rigidity. It's tough and fairly light.

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-25, dowels, dowels, and more dowels)
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2018, 08:33:37 am »
Nice work - especially if this is your first time woodworking - seeing that you got a bunch of tools a while back.
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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-25, dowels, dowels, and more dowels)
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2018, 10:34:20 am »
Really appreciate the kind words!

I've built stuff in the past so I'm familiar with how to leverage the tools. This is by far the most intricate routing I've done though.

One thing I'm struggling with a bit is hinges for my panel doors. If anyone has ideas of something that will fit the bill I'm all ears. I wanted something hidden that mounts face frame and not euro style since the doors are thin.

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-25, dowels, dowels, and more dowels)
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2018, 08:34:42 am »
I used this type of hinge on A Little Rage.
Dont know how they would work with a very thin door, I used 1/2" MDF.
But maybe you could glue some braces to the door, the width of the hinge foot, running across inside width of door to re-enforce it?
I also used nuts and bolts in the door part of the hinge, and threaded inserts and bolts on the cabinet wall.

(You have a nice project, very professional looking router cuts).


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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-25, dowels, dowels, and more dowels)
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2018, 09:19:17 am »
Use magnets. Then you can pull the panels off completely for servicing.

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-25, dowels, dowels, and more dowels)
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2018, 06:32:01 pm »
I used this type of hinge on A Little Rage.
Dont know how they would work with a very thin door, I used 1/2" MDF.
But maybe you could glue some braces to the door, the width of the hinge foot, running across inside width of door to re-enforce it?
I also used nuts and bolts in the door part of the hinge, and threaded inserts and bolts on the cabinet wall.

(You have a nice project, very professional looking router cuts).

Thanks for the ideas, and positive comments. I'm trying with the router. It's quite the machine.

Use magnets. Then you can pull the panels off completely for servicing.

I actually really like this idea. Something I never considered. Magnets with really subtle pull straps exposed would honestly be easy, cheap, and great. Thanks Mike.

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-25, dowels, dowels, and more dowels)
« Reply #53 on: December 29, 2018, 12:09:04 am »
Have used magnets from dead/ancient hard drives before for other projects, pretty strong, maybe an option ?

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-25, dowels, dowels, and more dowels)
« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2018, 05:16:58 am »
There are rare earth magnets of all sizes available on Amazon.

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-29, huge progress)
« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2018, 06:44:23 pm »
Today I made some really huge progress.

First, I worked on the plexiglass inlay. This made me nervous. The original template was damaged and I had to remake one. Fortunately it turned out well.


Honestly, for this being my first insert ever I'm pretty pleased. It may be *too* good once paint is in there.


I moved on to doing some final pieces and fitting. Did I mention dowels? Lol.


And here it is dry fitted. It fits together well. I'm very pleased.






I decided to start gluing it up. This is honestly my least favorite part of the whole build so far.


I'll move on to gluing up the rest of the cabinet soon. The marquee is it's own animal that I'll work on soon. Originally it was going to be dowelled in too but I'm actually going to mix it up with some aluminum L stock to hold it all together.

Oh almost forgot - I made some holes for the Aimtrak sensor.
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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-29, huge progress)
« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2018, 08:28:54 pm »
Gluing is indeed one of the parts of my project I've enjoyed the least. Impressive what you've done here so far, especially with fitting the plexi.

I'm curious, and may have missed it upthread-what's the height of the CP going to be here?

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-29, huge progress)
« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2018, 09:10:56 pm »
I get to pick cp height, it's wall mounted!  I canít remember what the usual height is.

Choose my own adventure :)

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-29, huge progress)
« Reply #58 on: December 31, 2018, 09:58:18 pm »
That art does look great. I have been tinkering with the art from the same poster (NASA/Mars?). Looks killer how you did it. Looking forward to this one even more now  :)

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-29, huge progress)
« Reply #59 on: December 31, 2018, 10:06:56 pm »
I'm enjoying the craftsmanship of this build! :cheers:
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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-29, huge progress)
« Reply #60 on: January 01, 2019, 05:07:26 am »
Nice to see some good progress... looking forward to seeing it all come together  :cheers:

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-29, huge progress)
« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2019, 04:02:45 pm »
This is coming out great.  Really looking forward to seeing it finished - original designs are hard to come by these days.

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-29, huge progress)
« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2019, 11:07:05 am »
That art does look great. I have been tinkering with the art from the same poster (NASA/Mars?). Looks killer how you did it. Looking forward to this one even more now  :)

You got it! It's based heavily off of those posters. I have not done a good job citing my art source.
The artist I asked for permission to use as a basis is Qohen Leth from forums.frontier.co.uk.
Here's a link to the the artwork I deconstructed and refined to fit my cabinet.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/406794-Grand-Tour-wallpaper-printable-poster

Big shout out to Qohen Leth for giving me permission to base my cabinet off their amazing artwork!


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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-29, huge progress)
« Reply #63 on: January 04, 2019, 04:47:54 pm »
This is great..

Whats inside hardware wise??

I`d beef up the audio a bit get some nice speakers in there...

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (12-29, huge progress)
« Reply #64 on: January 04, 2019, 10:18:14 pm »
Thanks!
It's going to have a Dell Optiplex something or other, with an i7, micro PC.
I will be doing Linux based this time. My previous arcade was windows with GameEX. I've been playing with EmulationStation and been pleased with the responsiveness and ability to traverse thousands of games. I'm also extremely versed in both operating systems and pretty happy with Linux's "appliance" type feel. I'll be doing many games local, but with autofs mounting the big stuff off the NAS in my house.


The speakers I'm cautiously optimistic about - I played them with the amp just free air (they are self boxed) and was really surprised and impressed with them. They sounded better than the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- 2.1 setup in my old arcade - and I had no issues with that setup either.

I think I'll be okay on the audio department. I've left myself plenty of room if I need to swap out in the future though - well for 3" drivers and under I guess.

Appreciate the thoughts. Going to hit the glue up tomorrow, then start thinking about paint.

My plan after some reading,
50/50 PVA/Water mix
Sand
High build primer
Sand
Sand
Krylon Semi-Flat black
Done, Apply decals, inlays, and marquee

My old cabinet used a water based primer, then rolled on rustoleum. I was really happy with the durability, though the finish was close but not as good as spray.

I may be missing some good threads. Still reading. Any suggestions are welcome! Semi-Flat black is going to be the whole cabinet.
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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-5, more huge progress)
« Reply #65 on: January 05, 2019, 03:28:19 pm »
Gluing up the main cabinet! Woooo! Wont see this view again.


Totally know what I'm doing.


While that dries, mix up some 50/50 water/wood glue


And paint the control deck


Assemble! Check clearances


Clamps!


More PVA glue painting


The back, painted in PVA glue/water mix


Test fitting some PC placement


Letting it dry.



Next up, some bondo gap filling, 220 grit sanding, and some high build primer.


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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-5, more huge progress)
« Reply #66 on: January 06, 2019, 02:59:24 pm »
A lot of hard work mate, takes ages, but it'll be worth it in the end :)  :applaud:

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-5, more huge progress)
« Reply #67 on: January 06, 2019, 06:19:30 pm »
This is looking nice! I've heard of "washing" mdf with a glue/water mix before, but I've always wondered if it causes swelling? How stable have your results been given your application?

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-5, more huge progress)
« Reply #68 on: January 06, 2019, 07:50:47 pm »
The MDF had very minimal swelling on the portions I routed (like the inlay) but that's what I expected. It's basically a poor man's sanding sealer intended to keep the MDF from drinking tons of paint. The glue/water mix really sealed the unit together filling the whole thing in a thin layer of glue basically. I'm happy with the sand-ability of it.

Speaking of which - paint prep today! Ugh

Some bondo to cover my screws holding the hard board.


Here's a trick I picked up over the years. I'm filling a gap here with bondo. Use some painters tape to limit where the bondo can go and you'll save yourself ages sanding. Wait until about 30 minutes after the bondo has started to set, then peel it up before it really gets solid.


Next is sanding with 220 grit which leaves a ready-for-paint finish.


Went pretty quick - I had some help today.


Next weekend comes the high build primer and with some luck more sanding (yay?).
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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-6, Paint Prep)
« Reply #69 on: January 06, 2019, 08:02:46 pm »
That's the price for putting her shoes on the wrong feet!

Looking good!

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-6, Paint Prep)
« Reply #70 on: January 06, 2019, 08:38:01 pm »
That's the price for putting her shoes on the wrong feet!

She does it herself, Every... Single... Time...
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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-12, I made a kill room)
« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2019, 05:12:55 pm »
Today I made a kill room.






Don't worry, it's vented by a fan out the window. I also wore a respirator.
The pictures are of the first coat of primer. I did two more after that for full coverage.

Next:
Sand
Sand
Black
Sand
Black

The marquee is going to be special. I'm gathering materials for it now.
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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-12, I made a kill room)
« Reply #72 on: January 17, 2019, 06:14:36 pm »

Marquee time! My parts came in. There is a vertical line in this LCD it disappears if you push the FFC, so I'll throw some tape to keep it perfect.
It's 19x5.5, 1/2 1080p.



Would anyone be interested in these? I can get them in quantity. Would probably be around $200 each kit.

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-17, LCD Marquee!)
« Reply #73 on: January 18, 2019, 04:36:39 pm »
I spent a lot of time looking for an LCD marquee - but the pricing was WAY more than that..

Mine would be ~31 x 5.25 (or so) - Does the company make different sizes?  and/or can you send me a link?
19" would be too narrow in my case - but a very good find either way!

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-17, LCD Marquee!)
« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2019, 08:58:13 pm »
Same here.  I REALLY want to go the digital marquee route but I butt pucker at the thought of spending $550 on a Vitrolight from China.

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-17, LCD Marquee!)
« Reply #75 on: January 19, 2019, 12:43:05 am »
That's a good price.  I think it'll fit your cabinet design well, too - good choice.  I like your cab design and I think this will be cool in it.

For people looking - this panel is something around a 22" (diagonal) 16:9 monitor, cut in half.   

Aspect ratio of 16:4.5, or 32:9 if you wanna use that notation, or 3.55:1  - that's right in the sweet spot for where most arcade marquee art will fit nicely.  (I'm running a 2.84:1 digital marquee in Mimic and it's a little too tall.)

A lot of original arcade cabinets are 24" wide between verticals, so 19" will come up scant for them.  Most people here seem to end up going wider - or way wider - than original, which will exacerbate that problem for them.  You'd want to design the cabinet around this panel from scratch, as you have.  Perhaps put one of these over a 21" 4:3 LCD, which would be around 17" wide, in a small 19" between verticals bartop or cabaret... 

I don't need one myself, I'm set, but at that price that opens up some interesting designs I hope other people pursue.   :cheers:

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-17, LCD Marquee!)
« Reply #76 on: January 19, 2019, 09:29:13 am »
Laythe is right, these are 21.5 inch panels that were cut in half. It is an LED panel.

I can only get this exact size. They are not new panels but reclaimed from a recycler. I had to source the controller which was difficult. These exact panels are around $450 new.

My cabinet is 30 wide in the middle, so I will have spacers on each side to take up around 5 inches each side. The whole marquee will be covered in a light grey smoked glass so it will look black when off. The monitor will be covered with the same glass for the same effect.




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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-17, LCD Marquee!)
« Reply #77 on: January 20, 2019, 06:02:53 pm »
Keep up the good work, it looks awesome!
I might borrow the design, would you mind?

Iím sure you all know but the easiest dynamic marquee option today is a 25inch 21:9 monitor.
Samsungís IPS one is $159 now (!)
A bit too wide for this project if 21,5í 16:9 fits well, but 24í wide (609mm) is not bad.
They are a bit tall so perhaps hide a part of it..
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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-17, LCD Marquee!)
« Reply #78 on: January 21, 2019, 09:24:23 am »
You've inspired me to take the plunge and buy a router once the weather gets un-frigid here. 

Really nice work.  This is fun to watch.  Thanks for posting so many photos!

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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-17, LCD Marquee!)
« Reply #79 on: January 21, 2019, 01:02:59 pm »
Would anyone be interested in these? I can get them in quantity. Would probably be around $200 each kit.

For that kind of cost Iíd def be interested for my current project. I have about a 30Ē wide marquee but like you said could have spacers and darken some plexi in front of it. Iíve just begun my contact with Vitrolight on Alibaba, but it is looking to be cost prohibitive. Shoot me a DM if you can and we can discuss details.



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Re: Project EXPANSE - (1-17, LCD Marquee!)
« Reply #80 on: February 02, 2019, 05:28:12 pm »
Today I worked on color sanding, then laying down another coat of paint.

Who likes wet sanding? *crickets*


Next was heating up the paint. This increases pressure and helps the mixing process. It gives you a smoother coat.


I painted another coat. Glamor shots:












I'm pretty happy with the finish right now, but I may color sand one more time then lay down one more coat. Not sure quite yet.
Leaning toward sand + coat one more time just for a *little better finish.

  
 

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