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Windows 7 license cost?
« on: February 16, 2017, 12:59:11 am »
I was checking out the GroovyMAME forum and see that Calamity now supports Windows 7 and some additional GPUs.   :notworthy:
I did a search on buying a Win7 license and come up with dozens of OEM licenses in the $15-$25 range.  Even Amazon was selling them at that price.  Are these all completely bogus? 

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2017, 01:02:51 am »
I picked up a Windows 7 Pro install disk and licence on ebay for 35 bucks. I didn't have any issues with the product key.

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2017, 01:20:57 am »
as microsoft went to 10..free up-grade
xp-7-8 as far as they think are a dead end
soooooooooo why the question about the lic.?
get your self a copy of 7-loader be done with it

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2017, 03:58:28 am »
I know a guy who sells keys from decommissioned Win7 machines for $8-$10 a pop.

Just purchased one last week.

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2017, 10:25:07 am »
related, but not really related thread post...

for future reference, if you missed the upgrade period, you can still upgrade here:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/accessibility/windows10upgrade

they have extended the upgrade period for people who use assistive technologies with their computers because often these companies who make these devices don't have the time or manpower to write new drivers for their devices right away.

simply download the program, run it, and upgrade.

I use oem keys from busted laptops and whatnot to install legit win10's on my machines with no problems. my work machine i'm using right now is an old HP netbook win 7 home key.

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2017, 01:43:50 am »
I want to stay with Win7 since CRT Emu driver has a stable release on it.  Places like Newegg still charge $140 for an OEM copy for it which is why I was curious.  I was worried these might be bogus and the key wouldn't validate with Microsoft.  Guess I'll give one a shot.  gdonovan, would you mind sharing or PM'ing a link to the guy you trust that sells those $10 licenses?

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2017, 04:35:36 am »
I want to stay with Win7 since CRT Emu driver has a stable release on it.  Places like Newegg still charge $140 for an OEM copy for it which is why I was curious.  I was worried these might be bogus and the key wouldn't validate with Microsoft.  Guess I'll give one a shot.  gdonovan, would you mind sharing or PM'ing a link to the guy you trust that sells those $10 licenses?

saint's edit - since the legitimacy is in doubt, removing the link.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2017, 02:47:25 pm by saint »

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2017, 07:09:00 am »
I want to stay with Win7 since CRT Emu driver has a stable release on it.  Places like Newegg still charge $140 for an OEM copy for it which is why I was curious.  I was worried these might be bogus and the key wouldn't validate with Microsoft.  Guess I'll give one a shot.  gdonovan, would you mind sharing or PM'ing a link to the guy you trust that sells those $10 licenses?

Depends on your interpretation of "BOGUS" -- Do they work and activate fine ? - in most cases Yes  Are they legitimate and legal ? - depends on how you interpret the license terms - In most cases these sellers are selling licenses that were included with or designed to be included with OEM systems that for one reason or another were never used (ie. a large OEM purchased a bulk of licenses for their machines and one way or another wound up with hundreds or thousands more licenses than systems sold and decide to resell those licenses ( which depending on who you ask is/is not allowed under the terms of the licensing.) Or they come from systems that were sold by an OEM and the OEM never installed the actual license key ( since the way win7 activation worked the OEM version would activate without the specific machine key if using an OEM license with the OEM's bulk key even though each system was supposed to have a sticker with a specific key on the case to use for reactivating if ever needed - thus each OEM machine sold actually had 2 activation keys and the one on those stickers was never used unless a reinstall was done with media not provided by the OEM. (restore disks provided by the OEM would normally not require inputting the machine specific key and would activate without it since the OEM bios matched the OEM restore disk)

So these keys will normally activate and work just fine and if they don't ( in some rare cases the key will have already been used to restore several installations by a user and thus will no longer reactivate a different machine since the activation server shows that key already used elsewhere) the company that provided the key will usually just give you another key to replace that one. SO normally you will not have a problem (once the install activates it will normally reactivate for as long as you keep the system so will not be a problem ( though there are a few shady resellers that actually sell the same key to hundreds of people causing the key to get blacklisted and stop reactivating sometime in the future - but this is rare from sellers as the keys are plentiful and cheap to acquire so most sellers do not risk their reputation by doing this !)

Whether or not you consider them as BOGUS or not depends on how strictly you interpret the Microsoft Terms of use and whether or not you consider it "legal" if microsofts activation server activates the product when using the key.

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2017, 09:35:22 am »
Whether or not you consider them as BOGUS or not depends on how strictly you interpret the Microsoft Terms of use and whether or not you consider it "legal" if microsofts activation server activates the product when using the key.

The guy [Ion] on Hardforum is legit and has been selling legit keys for years and has over 2000 Win7 key transactions. I just purchased one myself and activated and updated through Microsoft with zero issues a week or two ago.

You can see his feedback on the board and Heatware, as well as mine.


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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2017, 10:06:39 am »
Whether or not you consider them as BOGUS or not depends on how strictly you interpret the Microsoft Terms of use and whether or not you consider it "legal" if microsofts activation server activates the product when using the key.

The guy [Ion] on Hardforum is legit and has been selling legit keys for years and has over 2000 Win7 key transactions. I just purchased one myself and activated and updated through Microsoft with zero issues a week or two ago.

You can see his feedback on the board and Heatware, as well as mine.

Again that depends on what you call "legit" --- sure the keys work and activate on the activation servers (and I've used similar for many years from Off-Lease OEM systems that have been refurbished and resold when building systems of my own ) but if you read through the licensing terms that MS gives then these licenses are not Legit in their eyes as the OEM license is tied to the system it was sold with and using it on another system is restricted to cases where the original system has had a MOBO failure and that specific model of MOBO is no longer available to purchase for replacement - otherwise the license and that key are suppose to die with the system once the original machine is retired. ( Since the OEM of the original system is responsible for providing support for that OEM license rather than MS and the original OEM can not be expected to provide support once you are not using the software on the original system !! )

Will these licenses work - sure they will in most cases since it was originally a "legit" license so the activation server will activate it - Is it the same as the $120+/- license you buy from an authorized reseller - No since there is no one that offers support for the product should any problems arise ( since MS sold it to an OEM cheaper than a retail copy because the do not have to offer support as that is the responsibility of the OEM saving them $ so they sell it cheaper) - Should a person use these type of licenses - that depends on the person and the use of the software and whether they believe MS has the right to limit the use according to their terms of use or feel that the license is usable as long as the MS server will activate it.

EDIT : Just an FYI -- in one of the posts on the forum thread you linked it says :

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Thanks, I didn't know about that website. I'm just out of the loop on Microsoft products! :p

Tried all 4 keys and got the same error message: "The product key you entered appears to be for software pre-installed by the device manufacturer. Please contact the device manufacturer for software recovery options." I'll wait for a bit and if [Ion] knows what's going on.
 

So be sure that you have an iso image of the win 7 product the key is for already available as these keys will not work for downloading the iso images directly from MS ( https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows7 ) as already mentioned they are copies that MS has sold to an OEM - so the OEM is responsible for supplying the install  already on the system - so MS will not allow you to download the iso from them directly with that key.
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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2017, 11:36:57 am »
The seller is clear that they are OEM keys and I don't think anyone on a high end PC Hardware forum is calling MS for support anytime soon ;-)

Everyone knows what the deal is.

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2017, 12:27:31 pm »
The seller is clear that they are OEM keys and I don't think anyone on a high end PC Hardware forum is calling MS for support anytime soon ;-)

Everyone knows what the deal is.

Not sure that everyone does since the OP stated :
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I did a search on buying a Win7 license and come up with dozens of OEM licenses in the $15-$25 range.  Even Amazon was selling them at that price.  Are these all completely bogus? 

It would be possible that he does not understand that these are simply keys purchased in bulk on the secondary market and do not come with the Installation media and that you need to source the media from somewhere other than MS (unless you have another system that has a key that does work with the download link from them !) So was just making sure that he would know that detail before ordering and finding out -- If he was familiar with the process and the terms of the license from these re-sellers the topic would probably not have been posted in the first place !

While I agree that these keys are usable and worth the risk in most situations - if you do not know what the differences are you might purchase one not realizing that you are on your own if an install problem comes up and need to be comfortable with that.

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2017, 12:59:42 pm »
wow
u ppl slay me
legit key for an out of date software.? sorry lmao
do your self a favour
climb off your lic horse for microsoft..they moved to 10 remember ?
now go get a copy og loader by daz
be done with it...yes it will make u legit and kb33800022 >key to up-grade to 10<
will get loaded for u in security patchs,plus ie11 etc etc

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2017, 05:12:10 pm »
Having worked in the Microsoft licensing arena for too many years, there is no interpretation:

"OEM Software may NOT be transferred to another machine. Even if the original
laptop, PC or Server is no longer in use, or if the software is removed from the
original hardware, OEM licenses are tied to the device on which the software is
first installed."

But then wouldn't that be the pot calling the kettle black for everyone active in this community.....except Ark.

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2017, 07:43:10 pm »
I wouldn’t pay for anything m$oft… just saying. That sh1t software crashed live in 95 demo and they charged people a second time to fix it. Then they did the second time live during the demo of 98. I quit using windows as a primary after version 3. There was a hint of how to solve your issue with cost if you must use winblows in this thread.

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2017, 08:20:14 pm »
I last bought win7 from ebay. There are loads listed, claiming to be legitimate, saying things like 'authorized MicroSoft re-seller'. Surely - with so many listed on ebay - if they weren't legitimate, MicroSoft would have come down hard on ebay, long ago?

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2017, 08:44:17 pm »
If it wasn't for this hobbie and the fact lots of software is still win only, I would probably never use Windows again. Native support for people with disabilities is better on a Mac and Linux is free.

That said I have bought a windoews 7 ultimate key for $20ish dollars a few years ago and it worked great. The vender even gave me a like to the ISO but I had one alredy.

The links above are helpful. Mabie I give Windows another go as a partion on the Linux PC I'm setting up.
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2017, 09:21:08 pm »
The links above are helpful. Mabie I give Windows another go as a partion on the Linux PC I'm setting up.

In case you don't still have the link to the iso (since MS decided to deactivate the digital rivers links - and will not let you download the iso if you have an OEM license - here is an article that has working torrent links to the MSDN downloads along with MD5 and SHA1 hashes to verify it is not having anything else tagging along with the download as well as a fairly in depth tutorial of using them.

https://www.pcsteps.com/45-download-windows-7-iso-legally-free-digital-river/

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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2017, 11:50:22 pm »
The links above are helpful. Mabie I give Windows another go as a partion on the Linux PC I'm setting up.

In case you don't still have the link to the iso (since MS decided to deactivate the digital rivers links - and will not let you download the iso if you have an OEM license - here is an article that has working torrent links to the MSDN downloads along with MD5 and SHA1 hashes to verify it is not having anything else tagging along with the download as well as a fairly in depth tutorial of using them.

https://www.pcsteps.com/45-download-windows-7-iso-legally-free-digital-river/

Thanks,

This inspired me to go and try to re-actiate my win 8.1 with bin on my win book WT700. Microsoft is a mess it took over an hour on the phone, spoke to 8 people, and received no resolution. This is for a key that to a version of windows that they only gave away for free.  :hissy:   

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2017, 09:22:08 am »
This inspired me to go and try to re-actiate my win 8.1 with bin on my win book WT700. Microsoft is a mess it took over an hour on the phone, spoke to 8 people, and received no resolution. This is for a key that to a version of windows that they only gave away for free.  :hissy:   

Can you boot the win book into windows at all ? Normally the windows key for those devices is stored in the BIOS code so it should auto activate but if it doesn't there are ways to retrieve the key from the BIOS either inside windows or using a third party app from outside windows but the process varies depending on whether you are inside windows or not ( of course from inside windows is easiest but there are ways to get it outside windows also just a bit more involved.)

If you can get into windows use NeoSmart's Oem Product Key Tool ( https://neosmart.net/OemKey/ ) to retrieve the key from the BIOS and then you can use that key to activate the install by phone (using the Activate by Phone option in the activation window (it's an automated computer entry method no need to talk to anyone !) After the installation, press the Windows Key + Pause/Break to open the system properties and click on "Activate Windows" - Then select "Activate by phone". Don't bother with the "Activate Windows online" option, it probably won't work.

IF you can not get into windows then read through this article for a couple methods to get the key from outside window - ( https://www.pcsteps.com/4198-get-windows-8-1-product-key-bios/ )

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2017, 09:31:17 am »
Can you boot the win book into windows at all ?

Yes I can,

Thanks for taking the time to help, I'll give it try tomorrow.  :cheers:

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2017, 10:00:37 am »
Who cares about license terms, like M$ is gonna revoke you one day and deactivate? A cheap alternative I use, is to find a broken/used laptop on eBay that has the Windows 7 sticker still intact on the back and use that to activate.. Once activated, upgrade the machine to Windows 10 for free.

Once you have upgraded a machine to 10, the activation key is locked into that machine. Meaning, if you need to do a complete wipe and reinstall of Windows 10, you won't need a key to activate.

Arcade machines however... why bother upgrading? Windows 7 runs just fine.

I guess one could use a loader as well (Daz), but I wouldn't do that on a machine that will be used to access the internet and any other productivity things. You kind of want to keep updated there, but on an arcade machine... who cares? Not I.

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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2017, 11:17:31 am »
Can you boot the win book into windows at all ?

Yes I can,

Thanks for taking the time to help, I'll give it try tomorrow.  :cheers:

If you need the iso for windows 8.1 with Bing to reinstall (it is actually a different iso from the regular 8.1 iso and the key for 8.1 with bing will not work on the regular 8.1 edition - so you need to install the correct iso !) -- here is a Magnet link to the 32 bit version ( magnet:?xt=urn:btih:cc9748e655915fbe107ca6196cebda51d544a108&dn=Windows+8.1+with+Bing+-+AKA+CoreConnected+x86 ) and the 64 bit version ( magnet:?xt=urn:btih:af8ffdaae70636719b0d70f1d30f1ba5359710b8&dn=Windows+8.1+with+Bing+-+AKA+CoreConnected+x64 )

Just use your torrent program and copy/paste the links under Add torrent from url and it should load the torrent download and start downloading the image which should work to install with your key once you have it ( in case you have installed the regular 8.1 version rather than 8.1 with bing - since your key will not work with the regular install ! )

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2017, 09:45:07 am »
Thanks to JDFan I got my product key. But still no go on authentication. MS (who I really dislike) told me that because its an OEM key I need to take it back to Micro Center because the key is already activated. I was thinking about just installing reinstalling but if the key is activated then I will go from something that boots and lets me log in to a brick. I'll be back in the US in July so will have to do it then.

Thanks a lot JDFan for your help.

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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2017, 10:32:50 am »
Thanks to JDFan I got my product key. But still no go on authentication. MS (who I really dislike) told me that because its an OEM key I need to take it back to Micro Center because the key is already activated. I was thinking about just installing reinstalling but if the key is activated then I will go from something that boots and lets me log in to a brick. I'll be back in the US in July so will have to do it then.

Thanks a lot JDFan for your help.

What install disk did you use ?
If it does not match the original install the original key will not work (ie. if it was a tablet with Win 8.1 with Bing - you need the iso for Win 8.1 with Bing ( posted a link above) as the key for it is only for that version (same with win8.1 Home or win8.1 Pro - etc.)
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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2017, 12:10:12 pm »
i was under the impression that windows xp/7 was like... free now? But i guess not.. i just have a master disc for each OS.. my windows 7 disc just gives u the option to install any version of 7 and off i go.. but i guess thats because i pay as much for my OS as i do my roms.. who woulda thunk :dunno

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2017, 04:12:17 pm »
A while ago, maybe around 2007ish, Microsoft got some legislature pushed through that made "pulls" illegal to sell.  A "pull" is a license from another machine (typically OEM).  What was happening is companies like Dell would liquidate overstock, and a company would buy several hundred (or thousand) computers that were effectively brand new, pull the licenses, sell them, and then sell off the rest of the pieces of the computers separately.  This became very profitable because they were selling current versions of software for a fraction of the price of new.  When the legislation came down, several companies I had been buying bulk licenses from suddenly no longer had anything available.

It still happens a lot with used computers though, although usually it is ebayers and other small time outfits that do it, and either through ebay or as a reseller on Amazon, Newegg, etc.  The licenses work, and are legit in terms of being unique and not installed on a running system, and they often come with the COA to make it "official".  I have sold hundreds of Office licenses that are no longer in use, and there is a lot of money in it.  It is technically illegal though, as well as against the license terms.

You won't find this happening much in the newer versions though (i.e. windows 10, office 2016, etc.)  First off, MS no longer provides the actual key with the COA.  The key on the COA is a redemption key now  and you have to log into a MS account to activate it, at which time you get an actual key.  That key works to install it once (or 3 times on home licenses) after which you have to call MS to get it to work (if reinstalled).  In Office 2013, after a couple months of businesses yelling and screaming, MS made it so you could activate the software without having to have an MS account, but for 2016 that ended.

Windows 8.1 and Office 2010 are the last times you will get to buy a working key that you don't have to call MS and tell them this is the first install to get it to work.  Anything newer, if you buy a key that was installed once before, you will have to call to get it to work, so this practice is ending. 

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2017, 05:00:00 pm »
man u ppl still blow my mind
a lic for an out of date out of porduction s/w is just mind boggling???????????????????? add a few thou more
now that i have pissed u off
go look for dazloader for7/8
run it
do not look back

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2017, 05:17:30 pm »
You can buy legitimate keys here (I go here for games for half the cost on Steam as well):
https://www.kinguin.net/category/13816/windows-7-professional-oem-key-sp1/

www.Kinguin.net is a great site.  It was recommended by Paul's hardware.  For $5 extra I usually go with the Kinguin guarantee (if keys are dead for any reason you are protected).

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2017, 05:21:58 pm »
Having worked in the Microsoft licensing arena for too many years, there is no interpretation:

"OEM Software may NOT be transferred to another machine. Even if the original
laptop, PC or Server is no longer in use, or if the software is removed from the
original hardware, OEM licenses are tied to the device on which the software is
first installed."

But then wouldn't that be the pot calling the kettle black for everyone active in this community.....except Ark.

The terms of the license might be clear, but the ability of Microsoft to actually enforce the license is anything but.

Microsoft's EULA is a classic example of a contract of adhesion, and such contracts are, as a general rule, not legally enforceable in most western countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_form_contract

There's a good reason why you never hear of M$ suing consumers for breaches of their license terms. They know they're highly likely to lose, and if that happened, they'd risk setting a precedent that could blow their entire business model out of the water.

The whole thing is just thinly-disguised FUD designed to intimidate the ark_aders of this world.
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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2017, 06:36:41 pm »
besides, bill would rather you pirate his windows OS than to use something else. market saturation is his goal.

To quote Bill Gates from as far back as 1998, Gates told an audience at the University of Washington...


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Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people  don't pay for the software. Someday they will though, And as long as they're going  to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted,  and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next  decade.

and here we are... windows 10... where even stolen, pirated versions on 7,8,8.1 get upgraded to legit licences.

so in synopsis,

1: steal windows 7 or 8 or 8.1
2: "Assistive" upgrade to windows 10 here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/accessibility/windows10upgrade
3: ?????
4: Profit.

big bang boom voila! Free windows 10 legit because Bill literally WANTS everyone to run windows.

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2017, 07:01:57 pm »
Having worked in the Microsoft licensing arena for too many years, there is no interpretation:

"OEM Software may NOT be transferred to another machine. Even if the original
laptop, PC or Server is no longer in use, or if the software is removed from the
original hardware, OEM licenses are tied to the device on which the software is
first installed."

But then wouldn't that be the pot calling the kettle black for everyone active in this community.....except Ark.

The terms of the license might be clear, but the ability of Microsoft to actually enforce the license is anything but.

Microsoft's EULA is a classic example of a contract of adhesion, and such contracts are, as a general rule, not legally enforceable in most western countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_form_contract

There's a good reason why you never hear of M$ suing consumers for breaches of their license terms. They know they're highly likely to lose, and if that happened, they'd risk setting a precedent that could blow their entire business model out of the water.

The whole thing is just thinly-disguised FUD designed to intimidate the ark_aders of this world.

Microsoft does not go after the one off consumer.  It isn't worth their time and effort.  Microsoft prefers to go after the big fish, and they do.   Had this happen to a company we acquired in India.    I don't recall the exact name of the license but they have a skew specific to licenses to make you legal.   They are dirt cheap and it pretty much makes it a no brainer as you would pay more in legal fees to fight them.   If that doesn't work, there is always option B....

http://ia800305.us.archive.org/10/items/gov.uscourts.wawd.214013/gov.uscourts.wawd.214013.1.0.pdf

I think your interpretation of contracts of adhesion is a little off.    If they were that unenforceable, companies wouldn't bother with them.   Nor would Microsoft take the time to sue the party in the above claim.
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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2017, 09:16:55 pm »

1: steal windows 7 or 8 or 8.1
2: "Assistive" upgrade to windows 10 here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/accessibility/windows10upgrade
3: ?????
4: Profit.

Thanks for your help, win 10 is the end goal but...
1. The link is specific to your country. Otherwise they just block you based on your IP address. I'm in Laos but have a VPN to the US. ( https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade )

2. This upgrade method will not run until after I authenticate windows, something that's currently not possible.

As an aside, as a person who uses a lot of adaptive technology. I can tell you that the native Windows support for adaptive technology is terrible. If you need to use Windows you have to spend a fortune on third-party software. That's why they have this upgrade program, a copy of kurzweil 3000 cost more than most consumer laptops. You're better off just buying a Mac, which has really good support natively.


JD, what will happen if I do the reinstall and MS does not except the key that came with the computer. They keep telling me that the key has already been used and straight up accuse me of trying using another computer.  :banghead:

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« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2017, 01:11:20 am »
you can either call them or go through chat support and they will attempt to fix it, or issue a new key.

I had someone bring me a laptop with windows 8 on it. the motherboard got fried due to loose screws rattling around inside from a broken hinge.

ordered a replacement motherboard off ebay and installed it to the chassis (after repairing the hinge) :P. key went invalid as expected (since windows 8, it now authenticates on the hardware not an actual physical key)...opened up MS chat support....explained the situation (that the motherboard died and I installed a replacement and windows would no longer authenticate the key)...they tried to fix the existing key, but for whatever reason it wouldn't take... so they ended up issuing a new key for the computer. not a problem. easy peasy. they did all the work remotely.

even if i transfer a win 7 key from one machine to another machine (which legally you can absolutely do) and it fails the online verification, just call the 800 number (free call) it gives you and follow the steps in the automated system type in the installation ID numbers... it asks if i've used it on another computer before, you say yes, one other computer (or however many times you have transferred it). then it gives you another number you punch in to authenticate windows. 10 minutes tops. 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Don't even have to talk to a person.

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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2017, 03:55:36 am »
Using the automation system now, is even easier then before. M$ will text you a link to your phone, then just follow the link and enter the information from your keypad and you'll be activated in no time. Have used this method many times when transferring a key from an old/broken PC/laptop to another PC. And again... after you do this, just upgrade to Windows 10 for free and the key will be locked in to that PC's motherboard and you'll never need it again.

The system makes it harder for would be software pirates, but when you look at it another way, it makes it super easy any time you need to do a fresh install. You won't have to hunt up a key again and go through the activation process. I do work on dozens of PC's a year, so for me personally, it's a great system.

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« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2017, 10:07:01 am »
Thanks guys,

I'll give it one more try with the full auto phone system but this will be my third attempt.

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« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2017, 10:08:13 am »
The system makes it harder for would be software pirates, but when you look at it another way, it makes it super easy any time you need to do a fresh install. You won't have to hunt up a key again and go through the activation process.

this. once the windows 7 key has been upgraded to 10, you don't need the key anymore. you can go to MS website and create installation media for windows 10 directly from the site and install 10 fresh and new without needing the key since your whole computer IS the key.

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« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2017, 02:19:07 pm »

http://ia800305.us.archive.org/10/items/gov.uscourts.wawd.214013/gov.uscourts.wawd.214013.1.0.pd

I think your interpretation of contracts of adhesion is a little off.    If they were that unenforceable, companies wouldn't bother with them.   Nor would Microsoft take the time to sue the party in the above claim.

For some reason I couldn't get your link to work.

But regardless of that, I don't think my interpretation is wrong. Courts apply different standards to consumers and companies. There is an expectation that a company will take time to read and understand any contract they enter into, and if necessary seek legal advice. However, courts generally consider it to be unreasonable to expect a typical consumer with no legal training, to wade through pages of legal jargon. It's also unreasonable that consumers are asked to agree to the terms of an EULA only after they've purchased the computer, or software.
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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2017, 02:30:04 pm »
besides, bill would rather you pirate his windows OS than to use something else. market saturation is his goal.

To quote Bill Gates from as far back as 1998, Gates told an audience at the University of Washington...


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Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people  don't pay for the software. Someday they will though, And as long as they're going  to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted,  and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next  decade.

and here we are... windows 10... where even stolen, pirated versions on 7,8,8.1 get upgraded to legit licences.

so in synopsis,

1: steal windows 7 or 8 or 8.1
2: "Assistive" upgrade to windows 10 here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/accessibility/windows10upgrade
3: ?????
4: Profit.

big bang boom voila! Free windows 10 legit because Bill literally WANTS everyone to run windows.

I agree that in the early days, Microsoft tacitly condoned piracy in order to gain market share. Of course their attitude gradually changed as their de facto monopoly got stronger.

And yes, I also agree that thanks to the continuing unpopularity of Windows 10, M$ appear to be gradually reverting back to their original strategy. You can download and use Windows 10 for free without having to activate it. The only limitation is that you can't change a lot of settings throught the configuration screens. However, you can still change any setting you want by directly editing the registry.
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Re: Windows 7 license cost?
« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2017, 03:16:20 pm »
I go to Reddit and joined Microsoftofficeswap sub Reddit. I have bought quite a few keys from the guys on there and all have worked flawlessly.


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