Screwy Squirrel gets a nut :free PC: ?Q? about SATA to SDHC adapter

[Generic Eric]

I could carry on how I got a working 19" & 22" HP LCD monitor and 3 untested PCs for free, but that is not important now.  What I really what to know is if anyone has tried one of these?
http://www.amazon.com/SDHC-Secure-Digital-Converter-Adapter/dp/B009N7WY2S/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1THAZDOWP300U




I pieced 2 of them together for a PC that has 8G of ram. 

Let me know about that adapter, that is really what I want to talk about

[lilshawn]

i have one.

once you get the formatting on the card all done corectly, it works.

it's not fast, but no moving parts has it's appeal. (limited to SD card speed.)

[Generic Eric]

i have one.

once you get the formatting on the card all done corectly, it works.

it's not fast, but no moving parts has it's appeal. (limited to SD card speed.)

Thanks for replying.  Is it slower than a regular hard drive?  How would you quantify its speed?   Do you run an OS on it?  If so, which one.  How slow is it?  Slow enough to suggest not doing it?

Is is suitable for a desktop replacement?

Thanks

[ed12]

for windblows no
for linux ? i am 50/50
for pi/steam yup yup

>Is is suitable for a desktop replacement?<

rember it is a resource hound

ed

[Generic Eric]

For Steam?  I was hoping that would come up.  I tried to see how many of my steam games ran on linux.  Not too savy on that stuff.

[Generic Eric]

Thanks for everyone's answers so far.  I've been continuing to look amongst the configuration of the wireless adapter from my other post.

Description and Fearure:
100% brand new and high quality
Makes SD/MMC flash memory card be a super compact, cost efficient, anti-shock, low power consumption, no acoustic noise and fast access time HDD/SSD
Enables IT engineers and embedded technology enthusiasts to use SD/MMC card as a normal SATA HDD/SSD.
Provides an alternative for data storage and transfer or test for motherboard & sound/display/memory card, etc.
Ideal for some devices that required a fast and easy bootable device such as POS
Be a SD/MMC card reader/writer.
Compatible with SD Memory Card specification 1.1, MMC specification 2.0 & SDHC Memory Card specifications
Supports up to 32GB SD card capacity.
Supports up to 22MB/sec data transfer rate.
One 7+15 Pin SATA male connector and one standard SD slot.
bootable, install OS and application on SD card.
Compatible with DOS, Windows 98SE, Me, 2000, XP and Vista, Linux, MAC OS
easy installation and no driver required.
Board is fully assembled with 2 fixing holes.
Mini Board design and no space wasted.
Package contens:
1 x SD SDHC MMC to SATA Adapter Converter Card Supports Up To 32GB SD Card Capacity

I'm going to ponder this for awhile.

[ed12]

for linux it is :just about 1-1 speed:
for pi it is,for steam it is...
it is all in in the porting call's >>stack<<

>For Steam?  I was hoping that would come up.  I tried to see how many of my steam games ran on linux.  Not too savy on that stuff.<

dig in more..u will see it,trust me there....

with any :converter: u have resource hounding..windows is the worest for it

in  linux..u tell it the :kernel to use:  >important info there<

u want to watch :lanctey:...it is high if not as shawn said configed right

i do run all :sd's:

ed

[DeLuSioNal29]

I don't have that new version, but I do have an older IDE to CF card adapter (only 4 GB CF card installed) for a Win98se/DOS based PC that I pieced together.  I wanted a silent solution to the noisy whirring of the old IDE 3GB spinning drive.  It worked out great for me.  Plug and play and it was reliable.

The updated version should not be that different.  However, I hear that the memory has a limited number of read/write life?  I don't think solid state hard drives have that same issue.  My solution was to simply buy and extra CF card and clone it, then put it safely away.

That said, I did notice that it was slightly slower than the IDE drive.  (It was running on an old Pentium II though).  But for me the silent use was worth it, since the performance difference was minimal.  You may see the same performance decrease on the newer adapter but YMMV.

P.S. - This is the arcade that's running on it:

Hope this helped!

DeLuSioNaL29

[Generic Eric]

I need to find typical footprint of linux or steam os.  I'd like to be able to load gimp inkscape and sketchup(if that is possible)

Highest size supported is 32gig

[ed12]

no u are right...but and the but is they just burn out..its about that simple...
so back up is in order

>The updated version should not be that different.  However, I hear that the memory has a limited number of read/write life?  I don't think solid state hard drives have that same issue.  My solution was to simply buy and extra CF card and clone it, then put it safely away.<

and lantcey is still there main problem

ed

[Generic Eric]

The adapter is on a slow boat.  I'll know more when it gets here.

[lilshawn]

SSD disks are really coming down in price. maybe just wait till your local place puts some on sale and pick yourself up a 64gb one for 49 bucks. you will be much happier.

[ed12]

yup yup
for some reason the lager u get in ssd the :least they cost:

but i  DO  know they are not very good...

ed

[Generic Eric]

yup yup
for some reason the lager u get in ssd the :least they cost:

but i  DO  know they are not very good...

ed

wait wUt?  What is not good?

i do run all :sd's:

ed

:sd's: as in SD cards?  or SSD?  not following you?  at all.

[ed12]

your money not mine...

ed

[Generic Eric]

:wow:
mixed messages

do you run all sd's or ssd? 

[lilshawn]

i think he meant that the SD card adapter isn't very good.

a 64gb card (about 50 bucks) + adapter (about 10 bucks) vs a 64gb SSD (about 50 bucks) and you get a LITERAL 50x performance boost.

 

[spoot]

Ok.......non mixed.....

SD = ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- speed......but small
SSD = way faster.......normal size

[lilshawn]

if you consider 2 1/2 inches "normal". even standard HDD's are 3 1/2 inches. mine has a bracket to adapt it to fit in the "standard" harddrive slot.

i would go so far as to actually say these things are probably pretty close in size.

PIC:

ALSO:

I don't care about cable management in my computer.

[ed12]

to answer any q's
i watch for lantecy
the #1 offender is a ssd
i run it a tablet..win7..suck's to say the least
run a sd in 1 of my xp box's,it's ok
run twin sata and ide's in this box.she fly's real good..biatch about speed on the net..but then that is not the box's problem
on the other hand my other tablet runs ssd in linux and smoke's
she will tie into anything i want in a new york minuite

olny real reason i went to sd/ssd is to true out rasberry pi's for gamming..
for normal os..sata or ide >good< ide's

i also run usb 1/2/3..as i stated i try them out all of the nessary stuff..

do my copy's of hd's any sort using portable device's
never had a hickup yet

ed

[dkersten]

Just because SD is a solid state technology does not make it anything like an SSD.  To compare the two is to compare floppy disks to hard drives.  The controller is the primary reason for the performance difference, but it goes further than that.  SSD's have extra capacity and functions in the controller to account for memory that fails, SD controllers don't because SD is not made to have dozens or hundreds of writes per day, it is made to store a file and that is about it.  This is one reason windows is so bad on a slow storage device - there are dozens of reads and writes every few seconds that have to be done to make Windows run.  If those are slow, the OS will be slow. 

It was mentioned already and I would second it - SSD's have come WAY down in price in the last year, and the smaller ones are super cheap and literally 20 times faster (which will translate to an extreme performance gain, especially in any windows based OS).  Unless you were simply given the adapter and a high capacity SD card for free, there would be no reason to choose an SD over an SSD.

Just because the adapter is using the SATA bus doesn't mean it will run at SATA speeds.  Just like your CD Rom drive won't run faster just because it is on a SATA bus.  Expect faster performance from the SD adapter than you would get with a CD Rom, but slower than a regular mechanical HDD.   

As for size, 3.5" disks were the standard for a long time for desktops and servers, but in the past couple years laptop production has surpassed desktop production and is now substantially ahead, which means that any technology specific to a desktop is starting to climb in price, where any technology that can be used in a laptop has been going down in price.  Hence, the 2.5" hard drive format is more prevalent today than the "large format" drive.  Keep in mind though that 3.5" is still a better way to create large capacity drives, so if you want a cheap 3 or 4 tb drive, you go 3.5".  All ATX cases made today have at least one place to mount a 2.5" drive, and just about every 2.5" "retail" drive comes with adapter brackets if you want to mount in an ATX case.  Bottom line is that today, 2.5" would be "standard".

[Generic Eric]

I got both

I'll be back to talk about linux, but believe it or not I understand the difference between SD cards, their transfer rates and that of an SSD.  Lets move away from that please.

[dkersten]

I guess I don't understand what you are really after here.  For the price, a small SSD would be far superior for everything I have seen you mention about what you want to do.  So what is the question?

There is simply no logical reason (other than getting it for free or nearly so) to use this on an x86 machine in lieu of a hard drive or SSD. 

Frankly the only reason these even exist would probably be because prior to USB3.0 this would have been the fastest way to transfer to and from an SD card.  Even if they could perform close to a regular HDD, the reliability would be so low that it would be worthless as a hard drive.

[Generic Eric]

I guess I don't understand what you are really after here.  For the price, a small SSD would be far superior for everything I have seen you mention about what you want to do.  So what is the question?

There is simply no logical reason (other than getting it for free or nearly so) to use this on an x86 machine in lieu of a hard drive or SSD. 

Frankly the only reason these even exist would probably be because prior to USB3.0 this would have been the fastest way to transfer to and from an SD card.  Even if they could perform close to a regular HDD, the reliability would be so low that it would be worthless as a hard drive.

You'll find at the top what I was after.  Specifically, experience with that type of interface in the first post.  If you don't have experience with the sd to sata board, I'll kindly ask you to not comment on this post. 

[spoot]

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[nitrogen_widget]

You'll find at the top what I was after.  Specifically, experience with that type of interface in the first post.  If you don't have experience with the sd to sata board, I'll kindly ask you to not comment on this post.

I have an SD to IDE adaptor & an 8GB card.
I have so far only installed a live linux distro to it I generated myself and it boots up and runs slightly faster than if I booted off a USB drive.
It really depends on the distro though.

PCLinuxOS LXDE running advance mame & advance menu on a p3 with 512mb of ram is slowish to start but seems fine once the front end is up.
That uses about 140mb of ram at boot.
I have persistence turned on so any changes I make to the system are saved to the card in read only.
Everything runs in ram & while there is a delay when I start apps they run just fine once they are loaded into memory.

Slitaz is the other distro I tested.
It only uses about 30mb when booting to a desktop so it boots a lot faster.
Still not as fast as a Hard Drive but once you boot it does it really matter?
Slitaz however requires more manual configuring & compiling to get things working.