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My inner nerd has taken over..
« on: July 01, 2014, 05:17:30 pm »
Well, not even two weeks after my arcade is functional I am already considering another.. so many people are interested in me building one for them.  (Yes, I know I can't legally sell the roms, but I can sell the cabinet, CP, and my time to set up the FE and do artwork).  Every day though someone asks about me building one for them.

Today a buddy of mine came by my office to sign a title for a truck I bought from him and I was showing him pictures of my cabinet and CP, and he desperately wants me to build him one.  Here is the irony:  Most of my big woodworking tools I bought from him, and he now works in a cabinet shop building and selling kitchen and bathroom cabinets.  I offered to show him everything he needs to know to build one for himself and I even offered to help him get his software up and running and he insists I build one for him and he pay me.  But here is the kicker - he now has a full sized cnc router that will accept up to 4x10 sheets of wood, and if I create the dxf files he will cut anything out for me.. for free..  Considering I have 3 people waving cash in front of me for this, the idea of doing it all with cnc is pretty sweet..

On top of this, my sister (who races in the spec Miata class as a hobby) offered to sell me her g25 wheel and pedals for a reasonable price.  I already figured that in a year or two I would add a sit down race cab to my gameroom, and I figured what the heck, this way I have a wheel and in my spare time I can start configuring software and start planning.. But now that it looks like I will not only have a few extra dollars to play with, but access to the cnc, I might have to get started planning that out sooner rather than later.  I am struggling to stay on track and finish a half dozen other projects around the house first, but the call of my inner nerd is REALLY strong..

So now I have two or three cabs I need to build soon, thinking about selling what I already made for me (keep the CP, sell the cab) so I can go to a 40" vertical lcd for my mame machine, and the wheels are already turning for a sit down cab..

I foresee this hobby turning into something similar to cars.. spending tons of money and countless hours in the shop, constantly upgrading my own stuff, and in a couple years looking around to find a room full of arcade cabinets, lol. 

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Re: My inner nerd has taken over..
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2014, 05:30:02 pm »

If you have the time and desire to do something you enjoy and get paid for it....I say have a blast!  ;D

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Re: My inner nerd has taken over..
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2014, 05:30:31 pm »
I foresee this hobby turning into something similar to cars.. spending tons of money and countless hours in the shop, constantly upgrading my own stuff, and in a couple years looking around to find a room full of arcade cabinets, lol.

Haha!  You've been bitten by the bug.  Welcome to the dark side.  We lied about the cookies.

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Re: My inner nerd has taken over..
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2014, 10:01:50 pm »
Word of advice if you're building for others - make sure you both are on the same page as far as what your expectations are for timelines and post-build support. Also, if you're relying on a third-party for the build, make sure you and your client are clear on this. If something comes up for the builder that takes up his time and resources and your stuff gets put on the back-burner, you want to make sure your client understands the reasons for the delays.

Good luck.  :cheers:
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Re: My inner nerd has taken over..
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2014, 10:59:22 am »
Dammit, I really wanted some cookies too..

@yotsuya - this is why I don't feel all that comfortable selling anything I make to anyone other than family or friends.  I am confident enough in my cabinet skills to know it isn't going to fall apart after a year, and I will only set up the games I know will work good enough to not require me coming over twice a month to fix something, but when it comes down to it, I have no desire to make this another job.  I have made a dozen or two pieces of furniture in the past for family and friends, but I have turned down 20 times that much work for people I don't know.  Plus the last thing I want is to turn another hobby into a job - it takes the fun out of it when you have a deadline (other than your own) and when you HAVE to do it instead of doing it because you want to.

I used to love doing car audio, it fit everything I really enjoyed doing.  There was the electrical aspect where I got to play with coils, capacitors, diodes, lights, relays, circuit breakers, transistors, resistors, and pretty much every aspect of electricity.  Then there was the technology side where I got to play with all sorts or technology from old to cutting edge.  The creativity aspect where I could come up with all sorts of customized and unique ways of doing things.  There was the carpentry aspect where I got to build things with wood, metal, or fiberglass.  And of course there was the music aspect where I was basically making music sound really good every day.  But after about 9 years of doing it I woke up one day and didn't want to go to work.  I didn't want to run another power wire through a firewall, or take another seat out of a car, or troubleshoot another malfunctioning alarm system, or deal with another customer who couldn't understand that running things wide open for too long will ALWAYS damage something.  And the thing is, I HAD to do it so I could provide for my family, not because I loved what I did.  In the 15 years since then I have done maybe 7 big systems and a half dozen other related tasks.  It just has zero appeal to me any more.

Some people think that if they could do their hobby for a living it would be awesome, and to some extent it can be.  But the moment you realize you are no longer doing it because you enjoy it but rather because you have to do it to make ends meet, you lose something you can never get back.  I have no desire to make this hobby into another business.

I don't want to start building arcade cabinets and end up with some pieced together monstrosity that my kids hang laundry on because I lost interest in it after the 10th build for someone else..

On the other hand, if I can make enough money to support what I want to do for myself, and I can do it on a timeline that works for ME, then I am all for it.  And if I can do all the detail work now while I am still really jacked about doing this, and have it all set up to cut out with a cnc router, then in the future if someone wants one, I can just get the pieces all cut out, spend a few hours in the shop laying down paint, an hour or two setting up software, and make a few hundred dollars cash, that works for me too.  I fleshed out my woodshop by building furniture for people and using the profit to buy more or better tools.  I always had cutting edge computers for myself that were paid for by building computers for other people.  I would love to end up with a couple sweet arcade cabinet setups and a few new specialty tools out of this, but I already have a job that pays more than I could ever make building and selling arcade cabinets. 

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Re: My inner nerd has taken over..
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2014, 11:03:31 am »
Don't do it.  They're expensive to make and nobody will want you to pay you enough to make it worthwhile.  Direct them to one of the vendors on Ebay and move on with your life.


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Re: My inner nerd has taken over..
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2014, 11:20:30 am »
Good post Dave. Jim also has a good point - everyone wants one, but at the friends and family discount.. >:D
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Re: My inner nerd has taken over..
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2014, 11:33:30 am »
Just don't get sucked into non-stop tech support first of all.

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Re: My inner nerd has taken over..
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2014, 12:14:07 pm »
Good post Dave. Jim also has a good point - everyone wants one, but at the friends and family discount.. >:D
lol, When people ask about mine, which I have about $2300 into if you counted the computer (I didn't pay anything for it because I had it already, and it is easily a $700 computer), I quote $3000-3500, and I have 2 people who are OK with that price and want to know when I could have it done.  I have a 2 player setup already sold at around $2k, and I will have less than $1k out of pocket into it..  The "expensive" part for me is labor, I can't justify even half of what my time is worth to me, but if I can cut the labor part down, it is worth it.  I enjoy building things, but I don't want to be in my shop for 6 hours a night for weeks on end even if I can make a few thousand dollars.. I already have a job that pays better and I make enough that I don't need to burn up all my free time on stuff like this.  So I just have to balance things carefully.

I am prepping for my annual 4th of July party right now, and trying to finish up some projects that I should have been finishing when I started the whole arcade thing, which derailed me pretty badly, lol.  So last night I came home from work and got busy in the shop, and after 2 hours I had completed my primary task for the night.  And while I had a lot of daylight left, I REALLY just wanted to take the night off and chill in front of the tv or even play a video game.  I sat down at my gaming computer and played one game of League of Legends, and when it was done I was feeling guilty for not working on projects, so I went out and got my irrigation system running, fixed a couple broken sprinkler heads, and ended up digging out one of them in the dark with the aid of my phone as a flashlight. 

Thing is, what I really want is to not HAVE to get anything done each night, and be able to come home and sit in front of the TV and not feel guilty because there is a huge list of things to do that I know I need to work on.  Granted, I don't HAVE to do anything, but I hate the idea of having people over when projects are half finished, and working on projects means I have been neglecting other things, like firing up my sprinklers for the summer.. 

A part of me is looking at an opportunity to have another source of cashflow, which is awesome when you get into a hobby that can be a huge money pit, lol.  But another part of me wants to keep my lifestyle simple and open so that when something comes up that I want to do, I can just do it and not have to juggle 20 other things to make it happen.  Finding that balance is the trick..

And Spoot, I agree, I am already "tech support" for my entire family and most of my friends.. and sometimes I really hate it, lol.  The funny thing is my family is pretty cool about it.. they know I don't like doing it so if I have to come over to work on something they will always offer money for my time.  And for friends it all comes around, most of my friends will do things for me when I need help, so it is all good.  Another reason to keep the arcade building down to just a select few who I know won't be calling me 4 times a week for support.

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Re: My inner nerd has taken over..
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2014, 01:06:52 pm »
Agree with whats been said.   A few extra's to consider...

 Put in a backup HDD as a requirement.  It can sit in there unplugged, so when the original drive dies.. you, or they... just have to swap the cables over. 

 Or... buy the extra HDD, make an image.. and keep it stored safe in your place.   Bill it as an Insurance policy  :P

 - Lock down the Bios, but put the password in a safe place in the Cabinet

 - Use a heavy duty surge protector, to keep the Power supply and motherboard caps from going bad as fast...  as well possible lightning surges.  Some of them have some serious Warranty Guarantee's.   Typical cheapies will cease even basic surge protection in a few years of taking hits (although, they will still work fine for powering devices)  A battery UPS might be going overboard.. but then again.. if power snaps off suddenly..  it will help keep the Hard Drive from crashing, corrupting data, corrupting windows, and or premature death.

 - Or use a Solid State drive.. and or at least for the OS, which on a Dedicated machine, shouldnt really change much.

 - Get a minimum of 75% up front.   That way.. any unexpected losses.. will be minimized.   Even better if you get the full bill up front.

 - Get a really good mockup before committing.  Probably best to do a scrapwood throw-away control panel in there for physical testing.
Once the machine is built.. and they change their minds..  they may not be willing to pay until the said issues are resolved, even if it wasnt your decision.

 - Add some markup to the parts for your orders.  You will have to factor in delivery costs, eating some bad hardware / RMA returns,  as well as additional unplanned labor to do some repairs.

 - A possible  'per month / year' service plan (upfront) might be a good idea?   Clean dust out of the Fans, Change lights / parts, Emulator updates?  Possible add-on installs / changes.  Possible card swaps, pc changes..etc.

 - Make sure they can play their Fav. games.  Discuss specialty controllers and the additional costs required.