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How to clone a hard drive?
« on: June 25, 2014, 01:10:31 pm »
Any free programs out there to clone a hard drive?  I have a Daphne cab and I want to move to a solid state drive.

Thanks for your help!
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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2014, 01:33:44 pm »
Clonezilla

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2014, 01:40:57 pm »
Clonezilla

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2014, 04:00:05 pm »
Thanks, besides reliability, will I get any speed increase going from IDE to Sata and can anyone recommend an adapter to do that?  Info on system, older system with IDE only.

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2014, 04:26:22 pm »
A SSD will max out the IDE bus most likely...unless it's a really low-end one.  And an SSD has seek time that crushes spinning rust.  If you only have IDE.....I assume you only have PCI slots open on the motherboard.  You could look for pci expansion cards that do SATAII/III......not sure they are still made though.

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2014, 06:21:10 pm »
If you do choose to go from IDE to SATA, or just want to clone from IDE TO IDE OR SATA OR SATA, but you are not comfortable with a software solution (like clonezilla), you might want to look into a standalone hardware drive cloner. There are available for between $20-$60, and most can also be plugged into PCs and used as multislot hard drive adaptors. The benefit of this method is that it's fire-and-forget, doen't involve any software, and can easily work with both IDA and SATA drives. The downside is that you have to physically remove the drive from the system prior to cloning. In the end, it boils down to personal preference as much as anything else.

I also agree that SSDs would probably be a bit of overkill in this situation, but if you are looking for an inexpensive SATA solution that offers SSD-like speed, I suggest you try to pick up an Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid drive - preferably the 750GB version. They provide a substantial boost in boot speed, and if you're only running a few things on DAPHNE, it should speed it up as well - at least after a couple of runs.   

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2014, 07:12:19 pm »
Good stuff!  The reason I have to stay with an older MB is that I need a serial port to run Daphne's scoreboard.  Also, I am only looking at a 32GB SSD for what I need to run.  So I am hoping that I can hook the drive up as a slave with an IDE to Sata adapter clone it, then make it the master and remove the hard drive completely just for reliability.  Just hoping this will work and maybe speed up boot time.  Low end for sure!

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2014, 08:09:19 pm »
Gonna get shot in the foot for saying this, but too bad it's not a Mac. "Disk Utility" for the win.

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2014, 10:44:40 am »
Can I just buy a 32GB compact flash with a IDE adapter to get the same results?

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2014, 01:41:50 pm »
Most newer motherboards still have the serial header, you just need to plug in a d-sub and mount it in a slot..

A CF or SD card will never perform like a modern SSD.  The memory is not nearly as fast to begin with and the controller can't even come close to comparing to what is in a newer SSD. 

I run an SSD for my data for my mame cab, and the FE and games load a bit faster, and in Daphne when I parse the video at the beginning it takes like 6 or 7 seconds instead of the 30-45 seconds it took on a mechanical drive in a slower machine.  But this has a faster processor (i7 vs c2d), more memory, and a faster chipset too.  I only use the SSD because I had it laying around collecting dust. 

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2014, 01:44:45 pm »
If either one is a Seagate or Maxtor HDD, you can use their free utility.  It's based off Acronis.

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2014, 04:23:11 pm »
 Thanks for all the info!  Let me ask my last questions.  Let's assume that I am not changing my MB, I will need to run my hard drive through IDE.  Will I see any speed gain from an adapter to SD card or an adapter to SSD.  I am thinking that I will be limited to the speed of the IDE. 

Thanks for your help!

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2014, 05:58:14 pm »
limited to the speed of the IDE. 

I would be willing to guestimate that the reason SSD read/write speeds are as prolific as they are, is due to the SATAIII standard that they require to get those speeds.

Not sure, other than to remove mechanical failures from your potential problems, why you would introduce a SSD to an IDE environment.

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2014, 06:27:56 pm »
That's why I am thinking about going to an SD card to IDE.  Might gain a little speed, but definitely more reliable.  Does anyone think that I would lose speed?

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2014, 10:41:01 am »
I have never looked, but I can't imagine anyone makes an IDE SSD drive... So it might be a very moot argument..  However, there are plenty of PCI sata cards out there that you could pop in and plug an SSD into.. You might need to stick with an early generation of SSD as some of the new ones require sata2 or 3 to even work, but that wouldn't be hard to find.

Just to clear something up, the interface bus, like IDE or SATA, does not dictate the speed of the drive.  But if the interface is not at least as fast as the drive/controller chip, it WILL limit the performance.  Putting a modern SSD on an IDE bus would be like sticking a Lamborghini motor in a Honda.. nothing past the flywheel would be able to take advantage of the power.  As faster data busses have come out, it has paved the way for faster drives.  SSD has evolved a lot in the last few years, and my "state of the art" SSD from 3 years ago is nearly 3 times slower than the current models.  SSD is one of the few technologies that overcame the data bus speed before a faster version was available.

And I am not sure about your comment about reliability..  mechanical hard drives are far more reliable than any flash based memory.. Granted, in an environment where the data will only get read and pretty much never overwritten, it will likely last indefinitely.  But typically a hard drive undergoes a LOT of overwriting over time, and flash memory breaks down pretty fast as this happens.  Any SSD built for critical use is still only good for about 5 years and has a lot of extra capacity set aside to replace failed cells. 

On a side note, I can't help but remember quite a few years ago when the SCSi bus was the fastest interface available, so when I had the chance to change from IDE to SCSi, I jumped on it.  I was SO excited to see how much more performance I would get, and the day I got my drive in I quickly slapped it in and cloned everything over and ran tests.. only to find out I gained 0% performance in ANY category..  At the time, hard drives had already reached a limit on performance, so regardless of whether the bus was twice as fast, the source was still just as slow.  Over the years as faster busses came out, the drives only made marginal increases in performance.. 10k and 15k rpm were usually the best way to squeeze a little more out, but we were talking 10 or 15% gains for each new drive technology.  The first SSD's were barely faster than the fastest IDE drives (ie the raptor).. And then the technology exploded and suddenly the speeds were 3 or 4 times faster and the data bus's limits were being hit. 

Anyway, just remember that a computer is only as slow as it's slowest component.  Even with a faster drive, if you are maxing your memory, cpu, gpu, or PCI bus, you will see very little if any gain from a faster drive.  Usually the slowest part of a computer is the drive though, which is certainly true of older IDE stuff, so you will likely see faster load times, so if that is your goal, go for it.

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2014, 02:25:15 pm »
Thanks!  I am actually thinking about trying the IDE to SD card, cloning it through USB and just saving the original hard drive as a back-up.  Might sound stupid, but the cost is small enough that I can just consider it a test instead of a solution.

Thanks for all the knowledge!!!

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2014, 11:13:56 pm »
The reason I have to stay with an older MB is that I need a serial port to run Daphne's scoreboard.

You could try a usb to serial adapter if you wanted to use a new pc.

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2014, 11:25:04 pm »
Has anyone got that working with a Daphne scoreboard???

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2014, 04:28:05 am »
Good stuff!  The reason I have to stay with an older MB is that I need a serial port to run Daphne's scoreboard.

You could use a USB to Serial adapter.

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2014, 02:34:51 pm »
 Does anyone have a Daphne scoreboard working with a USB to serial adapter???

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Re: How to clone a hard drive?
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2014, 11:53:15 pm »
Wait! Not serial, it's parallel!!