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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #760 on: November 19, 2019, 09:32:42 am »
It is in docx format which I cannot upload here.
You can upload a .zip or .rar file containing the .docx file.   ;D


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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #761 on: November 19, 2019, 10:00:15 am »
you can zip/rar/7z the file and then upload it here without problems (size must be under 4mb)

you could also export your document as a PDF in ms orfice and upload that.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #762 on: November 23, 2019, 06:49:25 am »
Hey all, long time guest, first time poster in this forum.
My labor of love is my Rowe R1/2. Found her in the back of a mates garage. Pub fresh with a layer of storage dust. Nothing worked.

So far I've rebuilt the PSU, attended to the computers, serviced the mechanism, etc. Now she turns on, selects a record, plays it and returns it. Beautifully.

However I'm yet to get sound out of her for more than a couple of records. This amp is just something I can't get my head around. At this point the problem lays with the driver boards (402-06316). Both fuses where gone when I got to it and showed signs of liquid damage. So i pulled them out and replaced the caps and diodes. Everything else tested ok except the R24 trimpots (shorted). So replaced. New output transistors sourced (MJE6041, MJE6042) and installed.

No level of tinkering has made this work. I don't understand the effect the R24 trimpots have on this circuit, but i know its substantial. Can anyone offer advice on these boards? Do i need to bias the new MJEs? How? What should R24 be set to? I've only got a few sets of MJEs left, and even less hair.

Any help would be appreciated. Cheers, Danny - from Australia.
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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #763 on: November 23, 2019, 08:13:31 am »
Ami-man, If someone is resurrecting a MM3 back from death after being abandoned in a barn for 20 years, What advice would you give them?
The amp is completely dead and shows evidence of prior repairs "attempted" but were very sloppy. One driver board has a transistor with a broke leg and blown large resistor with a couple traces lifted at the slide connect, a resistor on a 4 point bus bar under a transistor gets very hot, close to the transformer in what looks to be the power circuit it looks like a resistor was removed and bypassed. It is a mess. Wish I could be more specific or provide values but not at currently. Also unable to upload pictures as they always fail "security check".
Waiting for the service manual to come in hoping it has a schematic for the amp as well as wiring layout. Oddly enough, I have a fully populated relay strip marked Phonovue but don't have the player nor is it mounted. Just laying there.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #764 on: November 24, 2019, 07:56:12 pm »
Rowe-AMI Model 90...

Can you supply instructions for disabling the 30 minute autoplay feature (tries to stimulate use by playing a random song after 30 minutes of inactivity)?

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #765 on: November 27, 2019, 06:25:14 am »
Ami-man, If someone is resurrecting a MM3 back from death after being abandoned in a barn for 20 years, What advice would you give them?
The amp is completely dead and shows evidence of prior repairs "attempted" but were very sloppy. One driver board has a transistor with a broke leg and blown large resistor with a couple traces lifted at the slide connect, a resistor on a 4 point bus bar under a transistor gets very hot, close to the transformer in what looks to be the power circuit it looks like a resistor was removed and bypassed. It is a mess. Wish I could be more specific or provide values but not at currently. Also unable to upload pictures as they always fail "security check".
Waiting for the service manual to come in hoping it has a schematic for the amp as well as wiring layout. Oddly enough, I have a fully populated relay strip marked Phonovue but don't have the player nor is it mounted. Just laying there.

Hello Cruiseomatic,

My advice is not to waste time on the MM-3 amplifier, instead locate the 64 watt 2179A amplifier (601-02179 USA).

Fully strip down the mechanism /carousel and check for worn parts (bearings in the turntable motor & rubber mounts,), trunion & cam gears and associated gripper bow assembly, transfer motor, transfer link, crank & pin assembly (check the long pin, these do come loose).
Remove all old lunbrication and oil very sparingly (usually one drop) to motor oil wicks and idler wheel linkage pivot points and idler wheel, also one spot of oil on the turntable shaft. graphite gease should be used on the tone arm shaft & pillar and high melting point grease in the trunion casting pivot sockets.

Set all the adjustments on the mechanism as per any 1100 mechanism manual.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #766 on: November 27, 2019, 06:33:37 am »
Rowe-AMI Model 90...

Can you supply instructions for disabling the 30 minute autoplay feature (tries to stimulate use by playing a random song after 30 minutes of inactivity)?

Hello Bingle,

Check in your manual in the programming section:-
Enter into programming location 32 set this to 0 and then press poular button to set it.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #767 on: December 04, 2019, 05:33:11 pm »
Got it all cleaned and re-assembled but having a problem with the search unit  The plungers aren't wanting to actuate the pins  If I ground the leads on the wiper unit the plungers work great. Some times they work but usually don't. Service manual isn't much help unless I'm missing something. Also trying to adjust the mechanism where the bow isn't slamming down when setting down.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #768 on: December 12, 2019, 08:34:50 pm »
Hello Baldnic,

You need to make sure that the Search Unit S1 & S2 relays are not jammed or that the drive motor clutch or dive belts are not slipping (this could be a sign of broken teeth on the gears.

The issue could also be that the transfer motor gears could be stripped and still be in partial transfer.

Regards
Alan

On my mm6 ....

So I've got the search motor unit to spin after freeing up the s1 and s2 relays. Thank you for that advice! Now my search unit motor continuously spins and no record is selected. The relay by the buttons seems to be functioning correctly and deselecting the buttons when it should. my manual says to check for opens but not sure which wires to start with and where they go from the button unit down to search motor. Any advice is appreciated.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #769 on: December 12, 2019, 09:34:39 pm »
Please disregard my last request for advice. I cleaned all the contacts and the pins and the wiring connectors and it has started functioning properly. Thanks again for all the help on this forum.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #770 on: December 13, 2019, 12:40:02 am »
I just acquired a Rowe AMI R-90.  I have gone through the manual and read about the programming and how to change the settings at the different locations.  I have had the machine playing 45s while I was reading and learning how the programing went but now I have a problem.  I have set location 27 to 255.  But when I move the setting switch from service to run it doesn't display the 255 code in the digital screen as I thought it should.  I now can't play any of the 45s either.  Can you give me any idea(s) what I might have messed up.  My intention was to set it to freeplay but I'm not sure what I've done.  Thanks for any help or direction!

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #771 on: December 13, 2019, 07:44:00 am »
Hello Old Guy,

Sorry you have not given your name.

After you have entered 255 in location 27 for free play you have to press POPULAR afterwards you can exit the programming mode by entering 999,

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #772 on: December 14, 2019, 06:34:12 am »
Any advice on what 10" 8 ohm woofers to use (or stay away from) to replace the ones in my Rowe/AMI R-90 I just bought?  Wide range of prices and not sure if there's anything special I need to consider since they're going in a jukebox. 
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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #773 on: December 14, 2019, 06:36:52 am »
I found my mistake.  I had set the programming so that I could close the lid.  Once I returned that location to 0 everything worked fine.
Thanks,
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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #774 on: December 14, 2019, 05:18:14 pm »
I also have found that one of the buttons on my keyboard for the R-90 is not working.  I'm pretty sure I shouldn't be trying to take out that button myself.  What are my options?  Repair or replace?  Who should I send it to? 
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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #775 on: December 15, 2019, 09:42:46 pm »
Bruce Wentworth at A & B Jukebox Repair sells and services Rowe jukebox boards/assemblies:

https://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #776 on: December 18, 2019, 11:24:09 pm »
Greetings Alan. I am working on a Rowe AMI TI-1. I have most issues resolved. The last is with the search unit. When a selection is made 95% of the time the wipers just spin. A lot of time there will be a quick energizing of S1 but the after a very brief pause the wipers begin to spin. I have cleaned and adjusted the unit as per the manual. I cleaned the circuit board with a pencil rubber and S1 and S2 contacts with a paper wedge. I am thinking the fault may be with R2. So the letter side of the board is not properly energized after S1 fires. Would you have any advice on any testing or other steps to take? Are those relays available? Thanks for your time!

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #777 on: December 27, 2019, 11:02:55 am »
Hello. Dave from the US again. I've made progress. Search unit is working. My trouble is now with the selector. All numbers register but only letters Q through V register. Letters A-P are an open circuit.  Have you run across a similar failure? What should I check?

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #778 on: January 01, 2020, 03:30:11 am »
I have a Rowe ami encore.  It has started displaying not alwd in. I can not find that message in my manual.  I have initialized the entire machine as well as individual discs.  It seems to guve that message to more and more discs.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #779 on: January 01, 2020, 07:11:49 pm »
I have a Rowe ami encore.  It has started displaying not alwd in. I can not find that message in my manual.  I have initialized the entire machine as well as individual discs.  It seems to guve that message to more and more discs.

usually becasue it's disabled the disk due to too many read errors. clean your lens and re initialize the disks.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #780 on: January 02, 2020, 01:10:10 pm »
I have a Rowe ami encore.  It has started displaying not alwd in. I can not find that message in my manual.  I have initialized the entire machine as well as individual discs.  It seems to guve that message to more and more discs.

usually becasue it's disabled the disk due to too many read errors. clean your lens and re initialize the disks.


Thank you! I did read about the 32 method of initialization and I cleaned my lens and tried that method and discovered and that solved my problem.  In terms of care and maintenance, should I turn off the jukebox at night or when we are not using. It or should I leave it on?

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #781 on: January 02, 2020, 02:35:49 pm »
nothing wrong with turning it off. only take a few seconds to boot again anyways.

worse that can happen is the power switch wears out and stops working. like a $5 part to replace if it does.

the cost to repair/replace power supply components (capacitors etc) due to wear and tear, far outweighs that switch cost.

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« Reply #782 on: January 02, 2020, 08:12:15 pm »
Thank you for your help

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #783 on: January 13, 2020, 07:24:18 pm »
Hi Alan,

After a patient 25 year wait, I finally got my rowe R59 bubbler. What a beautiful machine!

I am hooking up the amp accy board so i can play my ipod thru the phono and have the phone control the volume. i have connected everything according to the directions. (inputs to J1 and J5) When the juke is not playing and i select the ipod, the volume is low and I can't get it to the full volume that the juke is capable of. When i select a record, the volume of my ipod song picks up to the desired volume but the record sound is coming through as well.
when the record ends, the ipod song goes back to a very low volume which i don't want.
The phono amp is a 130 watt.

Any help on this would be much appreciated.

Par

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #784 on: January 15, 2020, 07:52:11 am »
Hello Par,

A simple test would be to remove the amplifier mute plug, if the ipod volume level is acceptable and is then the same volume as when a jukebox selection is made, then there is a mute issue on the amplifier/interface.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #785 on: January 18, 2020, 06:21:06 pm »
Hi Allen,
I just purchased an AMI WRC wallbox, there was no key when I bought it, so I picked the lock to have a look inside, there is a relay missing in the top center of the box, is it the bonus relay described in the schematics? If not, What does it do?
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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #786 on: January 19, 2020, 08:02:09 pm »
Hi Alan,

Here's a bit more info my Rowe R89 45 bubbler. The amp is a 130watt.

If I hook up the ipod to J6 and J8 of the Accy kit, everything functions they way it should. The ipod controls the volume. The ipod music cuts out when phono is playing. and ipod switches in after phono finishes. The only drawback is that you're limited to the volume of the ipod, which is not much.

I disconnected the mute plug on the amp and i do not get any sound when i do that.

Thanks again,

Par

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #787 on: January 21, 2020, 05:44:20 am »
Hi Allen,
I just purchased an AMI WRC wallbox, there was no key when I bought it, so I picked the lock to have a look inside, there is a relay missing in the top center of the box, is it the bonus relay described in the schematics? If not, What does it do?
Thanks,
Scott Petersen Goshen, NY USA

Hi Scott,

That is usually the bonus relay.

Regards
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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #788 on: January 21, 2020, 05:48:01 am »
Hi Alan,

Here's a bit more info my Rowe R89 45 bubbler. The amp is a 130watt.

If I hook up the ipod to J6 and J8 of the Accy kit, everything functions they way it should. The ipod controls the volume. The ipod music cuts out when phono is playing. and ipod switches in after phono finishes. The only drawback is that you're limited to the volume of the ipod, which is not much.

I disconnected the mute plug on the amp and i do not get any sound when i do that.

Thanks again,

Par

Hello Par,

I would be inclined to use some form of pre- amplifier to sort out this problem.

Regards
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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #789 on: January 21, 2020, 02:25:00 pm »
Hi Alan,

Here's a bit more info my Rowe R89 45 bubbler. The amp is a 130watt.

If I hook up the ipod to J6 and J8 of the Accy kit, everything functions they way it should. The ipod controls the volume. The ipod music cuts out when phono is playing. and ipod switches in after phono finishes. The only drawback is that you're limited to the volume of the ipod, which is not much.

I disconnected the mute plug on the amp and i do not get any sound when i do that.

Thanks again,

Par

Hello Par,

I would be inclined to use some form of pre- amplifier to sort out this problem.

Regards
Alan

I've used this one before, it works quite well for boosting low aux output levels.

https://www.amazon.com/High-Gain-Stereo-Audio-Booster-Control/dp/B018IKIX02

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #790 on: January 24, 2020, 02:09:05 pm »
Thanks Alan and Lilshawn,

I have ordered a pre-amp unit and will see how that works out.

will keep you posted.

Appreciate all the help.

Par

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« Reply #791 on: February 06, 2020, 07:15:13 pm »
Hi, new to this site.

I have two Ami Rowes, an R-85 and and R-86.  The R-86 has an issue where it sometime selects the wrong record, picking one that's one or two records away from the selected record.  I've followed the manual for adjustments when this happens but it hasn't solved the problem.  Any idea what's going on or what i should try?  Is it possible that it's so worn out that it can't be adjusted?  The R-86 works perfectly so I could swap parts if necessary but want to keep both working.

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Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #792 on: February 07, 2020, 08:42:00 am »
Hello winfahl,

I suggest that you check your opto switch adjustments, clean the basket gear that the opto switch senors to remove any oil or grease. Check the sprag wheel for imperfections to the gear teeth or rotting of the stem bushing.

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« Reply #794 on: March 10, 2020, 09:28:56 pm »
I ran across an AMI WRF Wall Box that Id like to add to my R90.  I just got it so Im in the process of sorting out where I am and what I need to know so that I can set a plan of action.  Here are my questions and if anyone can help Id really appreciate it.  Thanks ahead of time.
A) I cant seem to find either a printed or downloadable copy of the manuals for the WRF.  Can anyone give me a direction to look?
B) I have read my R90 manuals and found that only 3 specific accessories are listed for use with R90 and WRF combination (2-66989-05 Wall Box Adaptor Harness Kit (WRF), 4-06891-01 Auxiliary Power Supply for the WRF, and 0-05080-00 7-Conductor Cable [Either Belden No 8447 or Columbia No 4082]). Is this correct?  No stepper needed? 
C) If that is all I need (along with the manual, can anyone point me in the direction of where to locate the harness kit and the power supply? 
D) Can I use another 30 V power supply if I can match the 11.2 W and 0.41 A listed on the tag on the inside of the WRF?
E) Im assuming that the 7-conductor wire will be pretty straight forward to find.  Any specific gauge wire to use?

I really appreciate your help on this.

Rod from Indiana