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Title: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 19, 2013, 06:43:55 am
Hi,

If you require advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes with regards to faults, where to get parts etc by all means leave a post.

It is best if you set your country details in your user account, that way forum members can direct you where to get spare parts or have repairs undertaken.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: John_coate on February 26, 2013, 01:39:29 am
Hello there...

I noticed you've been helping some of the members with wallbox questions.  Well,  I have a Rowe R86 and am thinking about connecting a wallbox. Prehaps you can help?

1. Do you know what wallbox models are compatible with the R86? 
2. I also have an R84... would the wallboxes connect to either?
3. I've been reading that prehaps a WRD or WRE is the one I'm looking for.
4. Are other interface modules required?  If so, are they available?

I may have a lead on a WRD model. Do you think this would be worth pursuing?

Thanks much and I look forward to hearing from you.

John Coate in Washington State.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 26, 2013, 07:43:58 am
Hello John,

I think we have chatted before.

The R-84 to R-88 is the same technology so you would be able to connect to each jukebox with some form of switching.

With regards to connection a wallbox you will need a wallbox transformer 110/115 volts to 30 volt.
If you can find a WRE wallbox you will only need a simple interface that has a 500ma fuse in the data line if you use a WRD wallbox then you will need to obtain the correct interface because the WRD was meant to interface with a R-80S to R-83 jukebox. There are also interfaces that will interface with the earlier WRA & WRC wallboxes however these interfaces are harder to find.

If you have trouble locating the correct interface for the WRD then I do have some in stock.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Rowe_Rookie on March 01, 2013, 06:46:43 pm
I have a faulty crossover assembly in a Rowe AMI CD-51 jukebox.  Will a crossover assembly from a CD-100A work in its place or do I need to seek out an original.  Thanks in advance for any help. 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: pickledllamas on March 01, 2013, 09:07:38 pm
Hi Alan,

Thanks for your post offering help with AMI jukes.

I have a unit that belonged to my grandfather that I would very much like to use. I don't know the model because the label is not legible.
I'll attempt to post a picture of it with this post.

It worked for years until it was moved a couple of times. Now it powers up and the turn table runs. If I place a record and manually move the arm it'll play. There is a fault somewhere but I haven't a clue how to find it.

There is 30 years of dust and much built up in it. I'd like to clean the dust out safely without causing any more damage or cooking myself with any caps that may be hiding in wait.

I'm fairly handy and follow instructions well so I don't mind digging into the box.

Any advice or direction is greatly appreciated.

doug
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tony1970m on March 02, 2013, 04:17:35 am
Hi,

If you require advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes with regards to faults, where to get parts etc by all means leave a post.

It is best if you set your country details in your user account, that way forum members can direct you where to get spare parts or have repairs undertaken.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Hi Alan
I have a few questions for you, would be grateful if you could help.
I own a Rowe Ami Jukebox, i bought it from new about 8yrs ago, recently it has stopped playing cds, I press a selection it picks it up puts it down and spins slowly stopping and starting for about 10 seconds then returns it, any ideas what could be the matter with it.
Also one of the tubes has no liquid in it is it easy it replace?
The Jukebox has never been serviced would you recommend it needs one,
Could you recommend anyone in the Epsom area and how much this should cost
Kind Regards
Tony ]
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tony1970m on March 02, 2013, 04:19:05 am
Hi Alan
I have a few questions for you, would be grateful if you could help.
I own a Rowe Ami Jukebox, i bought it from new about 8yrs ago, recently it has stopped playing cds, I press a selection it picks it up puts it down and spins slowly stopping and starting for about 10 seconds then returns it, any ideas what could be the matter with it.
Also one of the tubes has no liquid in it is it easy it replace?
The Jukebox has never been serviced would you recommend it needs one,
Could you recommend anyone in the Epsom area and how much this should cost
Kind Regards
Tony ]
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jdemarti on March 02, 2013, 05:58:49 am
Hello Tony

I posted some information to your questions on your other post, "Rowe Ami Nostalgia Problems".

Good luck.

John
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 04, 2013, 09:37:29 am
Hello Doug,

What country do you live in?
If we know then we can best direct you where to get help.

Your jukebox is the 1973 Rowe Ami TI-1 Seville and IMHO one of the best sounding jukeboxes that Rowe Ami built.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: pickledllamas on March 11, 2013, 07:31:00 pm
Thanks Alan,

I'm in the U.S., Central California near Fresno.

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 12, 2013, 07:52:47 am
Hello Doug,

You need to carefully clean this jukebox to get rid of all the dust and dirt in cabinet.

I suggest that you remove all the major parts out of the jukebox and clean the interior of the cabinet with soapy water, rinse and dry well.

You will need to clean the mechanism down, I would strip of the search unit and remove the gripper bow assembly (strip all the parts off of the assembly and wash down with soapy water, rinse and dry. Reassemble the gripper bow lubricating only the trunnion casting pivot points (this should be high melting point grease put into the two casting sockets) check out the nylon trunnion gear and cam gear for any wear and replace them if it is required.

Clean down the mechanism/carousel using a damp soapy cloth and rinse with another dam cloth.

The turntable and idlerwheel and linkage can be striped down and washed to remove any trace of oil.
These can be replaced back onto the mechanism once it is clean.
Lubrication on the mechanism other than the trunnion which has already been covered is a spot of oil on all of the pivot points on the idlerwheel linkage, a spot of oil on the shaft that the idlerwheel fits on, a thin film placed on the turntable shaft put on with your finger, a sot of oil on the top oil pad on the turntable motor and a spot put down the bottom bearing oil tube. A spot of oil could be put on the indexing linkage after it has been stripped down and cleaned.

With regards to the search unit the PCB can be cleaned with a pencil rubber (eraser) and the open relay contacts cleaned with a taper of paper pulled between the contacts. This can also be done on the two open relays on the keyboard (these relays are under a plastic cover, if it is still on the jukebox). The PCB on the credit unit (credit clock) can also be cleaned using the pencil ruber, the same goes for the stop plate assembly that is behind the search unit, to clean the slip rings on it (note the 200 mark on the stop plate that needs to be in the correct location for the timing of the mechanism, please consult your manual).

Check all of your mechanism adjustments as per the manual.

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Mercuryfox50 on March 12, 2013, 09:59:56 am
Hello Alan,
I am hoping that you or someone may be able to offer some advice.  I have a 1990 Rowe CD-100A which I purchased a few years back in Michigan; I live in the Cleveland, OH area.  When I first purchased the machine, it seemed to work fine.  After a few months of owning the machine I hosted a party.  About an hour through the party, while the machine was playing a song, the sound started cutting-out momentarily, then the music came back for a few seconds, then cut out again and again with duration of each "cut-out" becoming longer and longer until eventually barely any sound was coming out of the machine.  During the party I ejected all of the songs in the list to play, turn the machine off for a minute, then turned it back on.  The machine played a song and a half then the music started cutting out again.  Frustrated, I turned the machine off.  A few months later I called a local "jukebox repair technician" out to look at the machine on two occasions.  The problem with the machine was intermittent as each time the "jukebox repair technician" came out, the machine would play fine for several songs, however other times (when the technician was conveniently not present) the music would start cutting out almost immediately after I would turn it on.  The second time the "jukebox repair technician" came out, he replaced the Mech Control with another unit he had.  After a few songs of play, the issue came back.  Over the last few years I haven't had alot of time to mess with the machine but am now getting the desire to start tinkering with it again.  I contacted Bruce Wentworth of A&B Jukebox Repair in NH.  Bruce suggested that I send him my Mech Control and CD Pro units to be tested as he felt those were most likely the issues.  After several hours of testing, Bruce found both units to be in good condition.  Again, the sound cuts out; it is not a CD-skip.  Usually, the machine will play one or two songs before the sound begins to cut out.  Usually the duration of the cut out starts with a duration of a split second gradually lasting several seconds to constant.  Bruce suggested the problem might be the Pre-Amp but I wanted to get some additional advice.
Thanks!
Ben
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 13, 2013, 06:37:07 am
Hello Ben,

Welcome to the forum.

If Bruce Wentworth has tested the CDPRO and the mechanism control then they will be good, no question.

What you could do as a test is to connect the phono output  from the mechanism control to an hifi amplifier ideally with a CD input and test the jukebox plaing for a period of time through you hifi system.
If the results are ok it would confirm that you have an issue with the amplifier, this could again be sent to Bruce for testing/repair I would also include the output package to be on the safe side.

If the test above gives you the same results i.e. the sound going off after a few songs then I would suspect a power supply unit problem, maybe a dry joint (cold joint USA) on the power supply PCB.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Mercuryfox50 on March 13, 2013, 08:58:29 am
Thanks for the reply Alan!
I've got a home stereo receiver; could I just connect the Mech Control Output to the home stereo receiver input with the Red & White RCA cable which the jukebox currently uses to conncet the Mech Control Output to the Pre Amp Input?
Thanks for the great advice!
Ben
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 13, 2013, 12:00:37 pm
Hello Ben,

That is correct, depending on what type of input the receiver has if it has a CD/tape input all the better, unsually the output from a CD is about 500 to 600mv.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Bgard on March 13, 2013, 04:53:08 pm
Alan,

First, please accept my apologies, thank you :)

I have an R-82 that will not erase the memory chip after playing a selection, so it continuously plays the same selection. Pressing the Clear Memory button on the Memory Unit does the trick, and you can make another selection (all work), but it is stuck on whatever selection you make until you press the Clear button again.

It does put the record back when done playing, but does not scan, just picks it back up and plays it again.

I have checked all solder joints on both the Memory Unit and the Selector Logic, repaired a few, all wiring/connectors look ok. There was a bad (burned) resistor on the Memory Unit (R728, replaced), but that appears to be for the battery which I don't think should be causing this problem? I believe the battery can be eliminated without issues, correct me if I'm wrong.

I've worked on quite a few Rowe/AMI 45 players, including the R-82, but this one has me stumped. I hate to assume, but thinking maybe Z501 on the Selector Logic board is bad?

BTW... I also has swapped both the Memory Unit and Selector Logic with used boards, just not sure if they were good ones or not.

Appreciate any help/info
Barry
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: pickledllamas on March 13, 2013, 07:50:44 pm
Thanks Alan,
That will get me started. :-)
I don't have a manual for the box yet. Are pdf files available? Or do I need to find a hard copy somewhere?

I'll take a few pictures of the inside of the box and my progress. Maybe they'll be useful for someone else down the road.

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Mercuryfox50 on March 13, 2013, 11:18:04 pm
Alan,
Tonight I fired up my Rowe CD-100A.  I selected song #1.  After about 2 minutes of song play the music cut-out about 5 times in 3 seconds then was fine for the rest of the song.  I then selected song #2.  For the first 10 seconds that song #2 played, the music cut-out continuously then cleared up for the duration of the song.  Per your suggestion, I disconnected the red & black RCA cables from the Pre-Amp on the Jukebox and connected them to the "Stereo In" on my home-receiver.  To my surprise, when I selected song #3, the music cut-out continuously with Mech Control hooked-up to my home-receiver.  It sounds like we have now ruled out the CD-PRO, the Mech Control, the Pre-Amp, the Amp and any wiring between the Mech Control and the speakers.  By the sounds of it you would suspect the Power Supply Unit being the culprit, correct?
Thanks,
Ben
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 14, 2013, 05:36:26 am
Hello Barry,

I have replied to your direct email regarding what to do next.
I have suggested that you send me the following boards to be tested as a set of boards.

Memory Unit
Selector Logic
Mechanism Control

Your profile does not indicate what country that you live in but I have had boards sent in for repair from the USA, Austraila, Germany, France and Hong Kong.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 14, 2013, 05:40:45 am
Hello Ben,

Can you please post some pictures of where and how you connected the cd output into your hifi system before we discount the exercise? or send the information direct to me on alan-hood@datex.co.uk before we start looking at the area's of the jukebox.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Mercuryfox50 on March 14, 2013, 03:09:23 pm
Alan,
Typically, one end of the Red & Black RCA Terminals connects to the Mech Control and the other end connects to the Pre-Amp. For the "Test", I connected one end of the Red & Black RCA Terminals to the Mech Control and the other end to the "Audio In" on my home audio system.  After connecting to my home audio system the music continued to cut-out.
I attached images of how the RCA terminals attach to the Mech Control, the Pre-Amp and the Home Receiver (for the test).
Do you believe that if a dry joint (cold joint USA) exists on the power supply PCB I will be able to notice it?
Thanks,
Ben
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 15, 2013, 06:51:19 am
Hello Ben,

In your earlier post on doing the test to your hifi you said that the music cut out from the start of play? or was it during play like when connected to the amplifier?
What I am getting at is when connected to the hifi are you getting any sound if the input is mismatched you may get very little or no sound. If this was the case I would try connecting it up to the inputs marked DVD in.

With regards to dry joints on the power supply remove the power supply unit from the cabinet and look at the connection pins that go through the PCB for any cracking around the soldered pins both for the output and the connections from the transformer onto the board. Use a magnifier if it helps.

Also look at the the molex plug that plugs into the output from the power supply for any signs of heating of the connections, this would be seen as the plastic of the plug would be discoloured.
you can remove the individual connection pins by pushing in the pawl  that locks the connection into the molex.
If you remove the pin look for any tarnish on the pin (clean with a fibreglass pencil or a pencil rubber) and clean the connection face, because the connection is a folded construction, if slightly unfolded it will put more pressure on the connection, remember to raise the pawl so it will lock the connection back in place when re-incerted.

Please let me know what you find, more pictures are welcome.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Mercuryfox50 on March 15, 2013, 08:45:36 am
Alan,
The consistency and duration of the music cutout when being played over the home stereo receiver amp vs. the amp on the jukebox was exactly the same.  Last night I pulled out the Power Supply PCB and the Pre-Amp/Amp and closely looked over all soldiered joints... everything looked great to the untrained-eye.  After putting everything back together I figured that I would run the codes.  I was able to pull three codes out of the system: "A WARN 06-01 18" (Start: 17:00 10/28, End: 00:00 00/00); "N WARN 06-02 03 (Start 17:51 10/26, End 15:45 10/27); "A ERR 05-63 20" (Start: 00:17 10/21, End: 00:00 00/00).  I do not have the date and time set on my Jukebox so that information is most likely not accurate.  I noticed that the third code was "Fatal Error - Mech. to CCC Communication Lost".  I check all of the connections and thought it was peculiar how loose the P9 connector (Rowelink) was going into the Mech Control, (picture below) not to mention how far it stuck out.  I pulled the connector out, compaired it to how the other connectors went in and noticed that the connector (white plastic piece) was upside down preventing the harness from being inserted completely.  The harness has space for 5 pins with the 4th one plugged.  What I did was removed the plug from the 4th pin spot, moved it to the 2nd pin spot and reversed all of the wires going into the connector (white plastic piece) and plugged it back into the Mech Control.  I fired the jukebox up and it played flawlessly for three songs before I had to turn-in for the night.  No idea how the P9 harness got mess up, but now it seems to be fixed.  Thanks for your help Alan... you have taught me alot!

On a separate note, none of the animation lights work nor does the lighting in the lower-front panel of the box... any idea what the cause would be?
Thanks!


Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 15, 2013, 12:00:08 pm
Hello Ben,

It sounds as if someone had altered the jukebox connection before you got the jukebox.
Well Done for finding the problem.

With regards to The Sound to light, if soume of this is on the then the loom from the Auxillary input/output connection from the pre-amp to the sound to light unit must be good. You will more than likely see two sets of connection from the lights to the sound to light unit. Check the connections like before for dry joints and overheating on the molex connections.

Also in the amplifier compartment is a resister assembly on the back of the compartment that effects the lighting. I would make sure that you have the molex plugs in for these lighting sections, In order to remove the front door section there will be various plus and sockets to check.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: John_coate on May 15, 2013, 12:29:00 am
Hello Allan... thank you for your note.

I was able to find an original AMI wallbox transformer on line.   I paid $50 for it but it was worth it.  Like the rest of the AMI equipment from that era, it's built like a tank!

Anyway, I have successfully connected my WRE to my R-86.  The connections are fairly straight-forward:

- left audio
- right audio
- audio common
- Serial cable into CCC unit to pin 3 (logic common) and pin 4 (serial data)
- the two AC power / transformer leads

All connections are clearly marked inside the WRE, so I didn't have to find a manual to make the internal connections. 

I've really enjoyed cleaning up the WRE... once all the nicotine was removed it shined up very well.

Let me know if I can return the favor to you sometime.  While I don't have alot of experience with the Rowe's, I have had a chance to refurb an R-84, R-86 and most recently the WRE wallbox.

I look forward to talking again....

Regards, John from Washington State.

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 22, 2013, 06:00:22 am
Hello John,

It is good to hear that you have sorted out these jukeboxes and wallbox.

If you want any advice in the furture bye all means please contact me.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: rpucci on May 27, 2013, 05:57:16 pm
Hi Alan

Can you or someone else tell me on the rowe R-86 where the terminals are for a wallbox speaker connections?There is a terminal strip on top of the cover that houses the power supply and amplifier for the juke.Thanks

Bob
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 28, 2013, 08:52:40 am
Hello Bob,

The connection are on the strip on the top of amplifier compartment
They should be marked up as Wall Box Speakers also marked Left CH, Common and Right CH. (connections 5, 6 & 7)
The colours underneath the connection are as follows:-

Left CH Red
Common Black
Right CH Brown

All the information is on page 12 of the manual.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
These cables go into the molex plug & socket on the output package
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Patrick Camden on June 02, 2013, 09:25:07 am
Hello,

I'm trying to get a Rowe CD-100 jukebox up and running.  It was from a pub and apparently has been set-up to use external speakers and not the ones inside the jukebox.  Is it relatively straightforward to connect the internal speakers again, or will I need to find someone to have a look?
I've taken some photos which I'll try to upload.  I can trace the wires from the speakers but I'm not 100% where they should be connected.  I've read some posts on here and so I'm guessing that they don't connect to the (pre?) AMP - serial number 61024901 - but instead connect to the board/plate above with the Right/Left channel and E1/E2/E3 etc (there are some wires connected here which have been cut) which from what I've read determines the volume of the speakers.  Is this correct or have I got it completely wrong? :D

Sorry for the very basic questions or if I've got things embarrassingly wrong :)

Thanks.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jdemarti on June 02, 2013, 09:39:50 pm
Hello Patrick

Yes, the Audio Transformer Block is used to set the maximum amount of wattage for each speaker.

Looks like you have a couple issues. Both the volume control wires and the speaker wires are not hooked up correctly. From what I see, this is what you need to do.  Here is the breakdown

First - the volume control. Do the following on the top row of connectors
- Move the jumper over to the right one position (from Dual channel over to the Stereo position)
- Take the Red wire that is currently hooked up to the bottom right E1 position and connect it up to the jumped connection labeled "Volume".
- Take the black wire that is disconnected (dangling near your A1 connector) and connect it up to "Common"  (next to Volume)
That should fix the volume control knob that is located on the back of the jukebox

Second - the speaker connections. Do this on the bottom row of connectors
-The Black wire on Left E1 is fine
- Take the pink wire that is disconnected near your Left E3 and connect it to the Left E6 or E7. E7 will give you full 128W power. I personally like E6 (64W). Just a preference.
- Take the purple wire that is on Right E2 and move it to either Right E6 or E7 (match it to the same level you had set on the left side)
- For cleanliness, get rid of the cut green wire on Left E6 and the cut red wire on Right E6

Hopefully that will take care of your problem.





Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 03, 2013, 05:01:14 am
Hello Patrick,

Welcome to the forum.

John is quite correct with regards to the wiring on the output package both for the volume connections and the how to connect up the phono speakers for there maximum output.
The pink and violet phon speaker cables are set to E3 left and right which would have been set for a lower sound, it could be that extension speakers were connected at an higher tapping on the output package.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: roweti1 on June 04, 2013, 08:44:29 pm
Im having trouble with my TI-1. When I first got it the jukebox wouldnt play certain selections. Like if I chose C3 it would play any other C # but 3. However it played every other selection I chose flawlessly. After about a year of use it started to do the same thing on multiple selections. I thought the Selector board was getting dirty so I tried cleaning it with Brasso. After that it wouldnt work at all. No matter what selection the jukebox would keep searching endlessly. I tried taking the whiper off and cleaning that and the board with a pencil eraser to get the polish off and it still didnt work. I found new PCB's online how hard is it to change it? I had the manual but it didnt seem to make sence to me. I am a very handy guy and was an auto mechanic for 15 years so Im fairly certain I can do this. I just need a little help.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 05, 2013, 08:10:28 am
Hello roweti1,

I guess you did not read my posts about cleaning and lubrication on the search unit.

Regarding new pcb's for the search unit on Ebay there is two sellers one in the USA and the other is in Tasmania, I also have a few.

These pcb's were made with a special process where the tracks are compressed into the board, so to the touch the tracks should be flush to the board, if you buy one and it can be felt above the board these have only have been etched and would last less than 6 months. A number of companies tried doing than in the 1980's.

You need to place the seach unit in the position that it would be selecting A1, there is a mark on the front of the pcb with an arrow showing No1 ADJ. This mark is the A1 timing mark (this is all shown in your manual and how to adjust the wipers to this mark).

Remove the spade connections off of the front wiper assembly, undo the machine screw that locks the assembly to the shaft, and pull the assembly off of the shaft. Remove the four 4ba (1/4 AF) screws that hold the pcb in place and pull the pcb off of the shaft.

I suggest that you clean the S1 & S2 open relay contacts with a taper made from paper pulled through the open and closed contacts.

Do not use any spray, WD40, sand paper etc to clean anything on a Rowe Ami jukebox of this era.

Rebuild the search unit as you took it apart and pay attention to the picture in the manual regarding how far to push the wiper assemby back onto the shaft, the contact pressure needs to be correct.

If this is beyond what you can successfully  achieve by all means send the parts to me for installation & testing.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood (ami-man)
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Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: roweti1 on June 05, 2013, 12:28:21 pm
Thanks you for your reply Alan. The way you explain it makes a lot More sence than the manual. I just had 2 questions should I clean the wiper at all? Also does the jukebox have to be set on anything specific before the wiper is set to A1?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: roweti1 on June 05, 2013, 09:07:40 pm
SO I got home and started checking a few things on the machine. I got curious and I took the plugs off my Board and got my meter. I set it to continuity and I put one lead on each wire coming from the wiper and the other lead where each plug would sit on the board. Then I spun the little wheel that the motor turns. I had continuity all the way around. Is it possible my Board is still ok? I did check what you told me and sure enough each trace on the board is slightly raised. However it still has the part # L-5048. SO next I tried to line the wiper up like you told me but I couldn't find the mark on the board. So I did some digging and found my manual. First I checked the rear wiper by rotating the sprag wheel until the hole was showing then I locked the S2 relay into it, the inside wiper pointed to the JK mark like it was supposed to. Then it said bottom the S1 relay into the Sprag notch. I had to turn it a little counter clockwise to get the relay into the notch. However the short select coil arm wasn't facing up and down yet so I turned it a little more until the coil was facing the 12 and 6 o clock positions. then I set the outside wiper to the bottom left notch like the manual says. then I turned the machine back on and punched in a song. The machine just kept seeking and seeking. Then I tried pushing the S1 relay arm down and it would pick a song the letter portion would be right but not the number. An example would be if I pushed k3 I could get K 1-9. Could it be coincidence that after I cleaned the board something else happened to fail? Am I adjusting it wrong? Heres the directions I was using.....
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr290/aprules2/SearchWiper1_zps2f090dfd.jpg) (http://s492.photobucket.com/user/aprules2/media/SearchWiper1_zps2f090dfd.jpg.html)
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr290/aprules2/Searchwiper2_zps8591e9aa.jpg) (http://s492.photobucket.com/user/aprules2/media/Searchwiper2_zps8591e9aa.jpg.html)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 06, 2013, 08:31:18 am
Hello roweti1,

The instructions you posted are correct, it is rare to have to adjust the rear wiper because being at the back of the board it is unlikely to be messed around with.

I would clean those contacts with a pencil rubber or one of those fibre glass pencils (used by watch repairers for battery contacts).

Have a close look at your board to make sure that there is no hairline cracks in any of the tracks both on the front and rear of the pcb. If you find a crack as long as it isnt in the slip ring circles then it can be repaired by cleaning the track and soldering a short piece of fuse wire across the break (I use 20 or 30 amp fuse wire tinned before soldering into place) It is not pretty but functional.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Patrick Camden on June 06, 2013, 12:43:29 pm
Thank you very much jdemarti and Alan for your help and quick reply.

Sorry for the delay in replying, a few things popped up on what was supposed to be a free weekend to tinker with the jukebox.  Before I changed the wires as suggested I turned the jukebox on to see if everything was still working (It has been on the landing for a few years) and now I have a Ram Error 1 message, CCC may malfunction unless ram corrected.  I've searched online and it may be the battery is low/dead or the CCC unit needs changing.  I've tried to clear errors in the service menu but the final confirm (Popular button) doesn't seem to be going through, so the *Clear Errors* message doesn't flash.

Do I have to change the CCC or the battery (I believe it is soldered on to the CCC unit, or so I've read) or could it be something else caused from powering up the jukebox without the internal speakers wired up, it was working fine previously (apart from speakers).
Is it worth having someone in to take a look, sending parts off to be checked or buying new parts, or would this be something I could attempt to fix on my own first.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jdemarti on June 06, 2013, 09:41:10 pm
No problem, Patrick.  Glad we can help.

About your CCC. I recall seeing that RAM problem before and I think that the Eprom may be getting close to malfunctioning. I want to say that the issue went away when I changed the Eprom and the battery, but not 100% sure. 

Alan, what do you think?

The battery is easy to change out; a 5 minute job. All you need is a 2032 battery and battery holder, soldering iron, solder sucker and new solder. I carry the latest v4.3 Eproms. It is a simple plug-in socket connection.

John
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: roweti1 on June 06, 2013, 10:15:06 pm
I got home from work today and went back to work on the Jukebox. I had the wiper 180 degrees out of sink, also the contacts on S2 were dirty. After fixing them the Jukebox started playing and picking songs. But I still have the same problems I had before I tried cleaning the PCB..... If you choose any of the T or U selections it plays the record in the position 1 number lower. An example would be if you pushed T6 it would play T5, this happens with both T and U only. Another problem is if I choose  C2 or E2 the carousel makes two full revolutions and just stops.Sometimes if you choose A1 you get the same results... Also If you chose A2 it plays A3, Other than that all the other selections seem to play fine. Occasionally it will play an incorrect song but not often. Maybe out of 30 or 40 plays Ill get one song that I didn't choose. Also an unrelated problem is it seems to be playing a little to fast. 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 07, 2013, 05:21:15 am
Hello roweti1,

On the button bank is two open relays (usually under a plastic cover) open the top door to gain access.
Use a paper taper to clean the open & closed contacts, if this does not cure the fault the issue may be down to the keyboard, however check the long connection on the search unit for alignment of all the tracks, use a meter to check the continuity from each connection back to the keyboard.


If all of the above is ok and your still have issues then you will have to clean the keyboard switches.
I find the best way to do this is to use video head cleaner (I know a spray after all I have said) but if you spay on about 4 of the open switches at a time and work the switches well before the spay dries this will clean the contact surfaces of the switches (switch the jukebox off before doing this).

Please let me know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 07, 2013, 05:27:42 am
No problem, Patrick.  Glad we can help.

About your CCC. I recall seeing that RAM problem before and I think that the Eprom may be getting close to malfunctioning. I want to say that the issue went away when I changed the Eprom and the battery, but not 100% sure. 

Alan, what do you think?

The battery is easy to change out; a 5 minute job. All you need is a 2032 battery and battery holder, soldering iron, solder sucker and new solder. I carry the latest v4.3 Eproms. It is a simple plug-in socket connection.

John

Hello Patrick & John,

It is worth changing the battery (3 volts) and then try again to clear the errors. You may have to try reloading the factory settings as per your manual. If this does not sort out the problem, you will need to send the CCC for repair.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: roweti1 on June 07, 2013, 05:55:48 am
Thank You Alan, Im going to go out tonight and look for video Head cleaner. If I cant find it can I use Isopropyl Alcohol, in a spray bottle?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: roweti1 on June 07, 2013, 11:30:47 pm
Alan,

I came home and cleaned the 2 relays on the top with paper like you told me. Then I tried picking one of the T selections and it worked, but then I tried the U and V selections and now they are having the same issue. I kept trying different selections on u and v then all the sudden the wiper started spinning and wouldn't stop. At this point I was beyond let down, I looked around and I played with the contacts by s2 then it picked a song normally and played it. But during the whole song I heard a humming, it turned out S2 wouldn't disengage. I had to turn the box off then wiggle the sprag back and for to free it up. Now its selecting songs again. What can I check to diagnose that problem also? Also I didn't want to try using Alcohol to clean the keys without checking with you first...
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: maroguy1 on June 10, 2013, 02:52:51 pm
I got my cd pro player rebuilt and it was working great until I pulled p4 out of the ccc while it was running. It blew the 8 amp fuse on the ps board. I replaced the fuse and now all 3 lights are on and I have 8 volts at the connector on p4 but nuthing works the ccc and the display don't light up at all even though they have 8v. Any ideas?

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 11, 2013, 04:21:44 am
It sounds as if you have blown the regulator on the CCC.
Why did you pull this plug out whilst the power was on?

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: maroguy1 on June 11, 2013, 05:09:46 pm
Ok I went and replaced vr1 on the ccc and no change.  The mechanism control keeps searching for cds it turns the carousel and picks them up then puts them rite back I am sure because of the player not working.  I pulled it out by mistake my bad.  Thanks.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 12, 2013, 04:49:53 am
Are you getting any error messages?
Is there anybody you know that you can test your boards/laser head with?
I would try out your CCC on another machine/testbed, you would have to initialize the CD's however.

Who rebuilt the CDPRO? can you not send in your boards for testing?

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: maroguy1 on June 12, 2013, 01:32:50 pm
No error messages because nothing comes up the ccc is completely dead no lights nothing same as the display.  jdemarti rebuilt it. I would rather not ship it I picked up a spare ccc on ebay so I am waiting for that but it is just odd that nothing works and all lights on the ps are on.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: maroguy1 on June 12, 2013, 02:42:22 pm
Not sure what happened.  Took the ps out to test voltages again reinstalled it and everything fired up. 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jdemarti on June 12, 2013, 07:21:56 pm
Glad to hear that it is working now.  It is possible that a connection was loose going from the PS to the CCC.  Taking everything out and reinstalling it may have fixed the connection problem.

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jmkcc on June 12, 2013, 10:04:56 pm
I picked up a Rowe MM5 and am having problems with the record changer wiring. My manual does not seem to have the correct wiring for the harness, relay and diodes. The schematic shows the w/y wire comin from pin 8 of the harness (which has no lead attached to the harness side of the plug) going to tab 3 of the middle solder tab where it connects to the w/y wire that goes to the slip wiper on the stop switch. The step by step circuit diagrams show the w/y wire connecting to diode 2 on tab 4. However the schematic shows a W wire from the relay and a W wire going to CS5 on tab 4 where diode2 starts.  I have wired in accordance to the schematic and the stop switch is not working. Seems like there is no way for it to complete a circuit as wired. So if anyone has an updated schematic or can provide a detailed description of the harness plug, relay, and diode set-up, I'd appreciate it. I'm trying to match the circuit process diagrams to the schematic but it's tough as wire colors are different between the two sections of the manuals. I've attached a pic of the schematic with a circle around the tab showing the two w/y wires connecting.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 13, 2013, 05:22:24 am
Hello jmkcc,

Welcome to the forum.

I have looked at your drawings but they do not seem to line up.
Can you please repost with them correct so I can tell where everthing goes.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jmkcc on June 13, 2013, 11:50:18 am
Hello jmkcc,

Welcome to the forum.

I have looked at your drawings but they do not seem to line up.
Can you please repost with them correct so I can tell where everthing goes.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Here's a scan from my other manual - apologies as it's a bit marked up. Thanks,
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 14, 2013, 04:41:49 am
Hello John,

Thanks for that, I will have a look at it and compare with mine and a mechanism of the period.
It will be a few days however.

Regards
Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jmkcc on June 14, 2013, 08:21:47 am
Hello John,

Thanks for that, I will have a look at it and compare with mine and a mechanism of the period.
It will be a few days however.

Regards
Alan
Alan,

Thank, appreciate the effort. I'm wondering if it may just be the resistor should be connected to solder tab 3 and not 4.

EDIT: One last question. I could make out HC68 on three of the diodes which I think are equal to 1amp 100v. I could not make out the other diodes but would like to replace them as well. Can you conifrm what size diodes are used?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Pinhead58 on June 19, 2013, 03:13:56 pm
Hi
I have a 1976 R-80 that I am trying to renovate. There is no sound but the vinyl is spinning. When the vinyl is playing if you listen very close to the vinyl you can here the music. I am trying to source an owners manual but any advice on what may be the problem would be appreciated. Does the unit have a volume switch?

As you can tell I have never done this before but would like to 'have a go' to see if I can fix it

Thanks
Dave
North West
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 20, 2013, 04:22:17 am
Hello Dave,

I can supply you with an orginal manual for fror the Rowe Ami R-80.
Yes the jukebox has a volume control, it is a 10k log control dependant on the pre amp fitted it could be a single or dual control. The control usually is fitted on let down door flap on the rear of the jukebox, all the input/output connections are on this plate. Just turn the wing nut to gain access.

The orginal amplifier that would have been fitted is a 64 watt 601-02179 or 2179A (European export), you could have however have a MHG MK3, a HGM mono amp or any of the earlier or later Rowe Ami amplifiers fitted. It is all down to the history of the jukebox.

If you want to contact me direct (I am in the UK) we can sort out any problems you have.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood (ami-man)
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Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jmkcc on June 21, 2013, 01:09:27 pm
Hello jmkcc,

Welcome to the forum.

I have looked at your drawings but they do not seem to line up.
Can you please repost with them correct so I can tell where everthing goes.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Here's a scan from my other manual - apologies as it's a bit marked up. Thanks,

Bumping to see if anyone has a proper schematic or picture of wiring for the MM5. Hoping to work on it this weekend. I've been trying to work back from the operating schematics in the manual, but it's a bit difficult as they only show partial views of the schematic based on the process.

Working from memory (I disassembled the wiring to install new relay socket) I think the major differences in wiring from my unit to this schematic are the orange wire from pin 4 on the harness went to relay pin 13 & 2 and then over to diode 4 and the resistor on the solder tab. The cap went from relay pin 3 to 14. A larger resistor went from relay 14 to diode 2 (no other wire betweenthe two) and there was no 22ohm resistor on the relay assembly. I tried wiring back as it was, but still had issues with the relay clicking rapidly and the stop switch not stopping until a few records after it hit the pin.

Thanks,
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 24, 2013, 07:06:48 am
Hello John,

With regards to the 1100 mechanism fitted.
Does yours have the single or double row of cam switches?
Is the socket/sockets on a plate under the cam switch plate? or is it on a plate on the base of the mechanism and has two molex sockets and the relay plate?

Let me know and I will check out the connections on the relay socket for you.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jmkcc on June 24, 2013, 07:54:07 am
Hello John,

With regards to the 1100 mechanism fitted.
Does yours have the single or double row of cam switches?
Is the socket/sockets on a plate under the cam switch plate? or is it on a plate on the base of the mechanism and has two molex sockets and the relay plate?

Let me know and I will check out the connections on the relay socket for you.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Alan,

It has a single row of cam switches and the socket and relay are on a plate mounted under the cam switches.

Thanks, John
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 25, 2013, 05:43:22 am
Hello John,

Now we know why you have been having problems tying up the drawings to the mechanism.

On a MM-5 more than likely it will have been a double row of cam switches, so the mechanism may have changed if this was the case the molex plug would have been altered to accept the replacement mechanism.

The setup on a TI-1 would be more than likely the nearest to your situation.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jmkcc on June 25, 2013, 08:16:51 am
Hello John,

Now we know why you have been having problems tying up the drawings to the mechanism.

On a MM-5 more than likely it will have been a double row of cam switches, so the mechanism may have changed if this was the case the molex plug would have been altered to accept the replacement mechanism.

The setup on a TI-1 would be more than likely the nearest to your situation.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Alan,

Thanks for this information. At least I am not crazy.

Does anyone have a schematic for the record changer for the TI-1 they can share?

Also, do you know what size diodes are used in the harness area of the MM-5 or TI-1? I could make out "hc 68" on three of the diodes which I beleive are 1 amp 100v. The reamining three diodes have red or blue print on them, but I can not make out the description.

Best regards,
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jmkcc on June 28, 2013, 08:19:54 am
 I tried to back into the wiring by following the operations section. As before the credit unit works, the search unit works, but the stop switch jumps over the pin. It is now not stopping at all and the magazine continues to rotate. The stop switch appears to work as I get a momentary spike in voltage at the negative end of diode 2 (yellow wire from sweeper ). DIode 2 feeds the W/V wires which go to pin 14 of the relay, the hub switch, and CS2. Pin 14 is connected to the capacitor which leads to pin 4. CS2 seems to work fine testing with ohmeter.

I'm guessing the problem lies in the wiring of the relay which is not allowing the magazine detent and coil to power down. Does anyone have a good picture of the relay wiring? I borrowed this picture from a different post which seems to be the same as how mine was wired. Unfortunately, I cannot see connections under the capacitor or the wires and connections on the solder tab with diode 2 and the resitors. I beleive from left to right the wires on this tab are w/y, w/v, b, not sure if there are any wires connedcted to the last tab which seems to the resitor from the relay, the positve end of diode 2, and maybe the resistor that leads to the w/v wire at solder tab 2. If anyone can clarify this or provide a detailed description of how the magazine detent/switch are triggerd that will help.

In addition, the original unit had different capacitor and resitor then the manual. I;ve replaced the three dioeds with white print with 1a 100v and the three blue with 3a 400volt. Not sure if that is right or not. I am using 100uf 50v cap which is shown in the manual vs 50uf 25v original. I would not expect that to make a difference, but maybe it does?

Any thoughts appreciated.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on July 09, 2013, 04:32:23 am
Hello John,

I have just got back off of holiday so have only just seen your post.

The last picture is very different from the plate that I have taken off of a mechanism.
I will take a picture of it when I get home tonight and see if I can upload it to the forum.

If you want to buy this plate with the complete loom (less one of the micro switches), if you let me have your address and contact details I can post it over to you.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: bonbeat on July 11, 2013, 09:19:04 pm
Hi  We bought a used AMI Rowe Model Laserstar CD100-E Jukebox.  It worked fine.  Then I turned it off.  When I tried to power it up a few days later, it would not work.  I get a reading that says RAM error, correct ccc.  What is a Ram and a CCC?  Can I reset the machine?  Most of the lights still work but I noticed that one of the tube bulbs is not working.  Could this be related? I am really clueless.  Any advice?  Thanks, Bonnie
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on July 12, 2013, 06:03:39 am
Hello Bonnie,

It could be that the battery in the CCC (Central Control Computer) Rowe Ami part number 40832201 (the last number is the revision number and it may be different).

The fluorescent tube not working is not the cause, this may need a new 110 volt starter or a new tube.

What country do you live in? If it is the USA then I would contact Bruce Wentworth from AB Leisure.
In Europe they by all means contact me for testing/repair of your boards and laser head.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
alan-hood@datex.co.uk
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: bonbeat on July 12, 2013, 07:52:18 am
Thank you for your response.  I am in the US.  Could you tell me where in the jukebox  the battery is located and if there is somewhere I can get a manual.  Is there a way to reset it?     Thank  you kindly, Bonnie
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on July 29, 2013, 09:32:15 pm
100C 250 watt amp with blown right channel. Both fuses on preamp blown. (stock speakers, no addon's)

Found a broken leg on a cap on the crossover for the high end, replaced.

Replaced right side transistors and fuses. Checked transistors and diodes on preamp board. (last revision with LED's on board)

power on...

Sound is crackly on right side. Moved right side wires to other side. sounds fine. Swapped with known good crossover still crackly.

Swapped with known good amp. works fine 100%. (okay, speakers and crossover, output transformers, are all fine.)

Swapped preamp boards left to right side. Crackle stays on the right side. Swapped the equalizer/input board from the known good amp. Still there. something on the output side...

Thinking bad transistors...swapped again with new set, new insulators...still there.

swapped out the "heatsink diode board" and it's still crackly. (note: I have found a few of these with broken solder joints. often this causes the fuses/transistors to blow as soon as it's powered up)

It defies all logic.

These transistors I have been using are some I ordered a few months ago. I ordered a dozen of each of the transistors from mouser. they are "STmicroelectronics" branded 2SC6284/2SC6287 's. They aren't some cheapy ebay counterfeit deal...at least i don't think, they should be legit but who knows these days.  :dunno I did use a transistor set from this pack to repair another amp (In fact, the known good amp I used in these tests) a few months back and haven't had an issue with that amp.  :dunno

i'm going to try swapping the output transistor pairs left to right side tomorrow to test if left side becomes crackly. that will confirm if it's the transistors or not.

EDIT: bad cell phone spelling can't see to edit for nothing.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on July 30, 2013, 01:14:36 pm
update:

swapped the transistors around and it's moved to the left side now. so it's definitely the transistors.

I don't think they are counterfeit, but there is some small differences in the lettering between the originally blown ST transistors and the replacement ones i got from mouser.

for shits and giggles, i cut the tops off the original blown transistors and the suspect transistors. there is a small difference in the die construction itself (the "fingers" are slightly different) but nothing odd about it (not under sized or obviously different) The internal construction is the same. (die platform, solder technique, bond wires, all look the same. (no extra solastic in there or anything.) upon inspection, I don't notice anything suspect about them.

my B&K transistor checker tests the suspect transistors as good.

i noticed that these newer style preamp driver boards (40710105 revision C) (http://images.goemerchant.net/StoreData/a/abjukeboxrepair/Images/P10_61_454_1.jpg) don't have any adjustment on them, where the other known working amp has the older (40710104 revision J) board in it that has the pot to adjust them.

I'm wondering if a small electrical change to the transistor is enough to have these new boards be somewhat incompatible with them.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on July 31, 2013, 04:37:43 am
Hello lilshaw,

I know its a daft question but the the transistors are in the correct sockets?
Also on the faulty side have you checked for shorts on the sockets or bias diodes under the heatsink?

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on July 31, 2013, 12:59:02 pm
yeah, everything is good with them.

i pulled some "old" transistors (ST branded chips i had in the known good amp) and switched them for the "new" ones i had in this amp. no problem with crackling at all.

the known good amp (which now has a full complement of the "new" transistors now) operates fine, no crackling at all.

it seems this batch of "new" transistors is "incompatable" with the new style boards. Since they operate just fine with the older style boards.

I don't know what to think about it. maybe these transistors have a slightly different specification someplace that's throwing off
(whatever the new board does to adjust the bias voltage) the new board.

I'll post some pics of the transistors in question to the thread for prosperity.

would you have access to a schematic for this new board or maybe a theory of operation for this board. I might be able to figure out what is going on.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ganners62 on October 23, 2013, 09:41:30 am
Hi ami-Man,

You may have an answer for me on this one. I have an ami-Rowe Storm WP100. I use a lot of burnt cd's - don;pt want to scratch or damage original. I also use a ripper for MP3's to WAV's using lowest rip speed 7x. Noticed some of my CD's skip at random points. Cd's can have 17-20 tracks. Most play ok. I have cleaned the CD Pro lens, cleaned the drop-down mechanism and CD holder itself. Any ideas?

Thanks

Ganners 62
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: 87bob on November 05, 2013, 08:06:01 pm
Hi AMI-Man,
I'm a newbie with a CD100 Serial 8267 I have been unable to find an alpha suffix anywhere. Overall it works good one of the problems I am having is that when I make a selection it plays a previous played selection. I would like to play whole albums and singles and shut off and other play options. how can I achieve this. Also do you know what the material is that is on the side of the cabinet and where I can get it? It looks like a faux leather material. Since this unit spent most of it's life in night clubs there is a lot of second hand smoke on all surfaces of the cabinet. Any suggestions about what is best to use on the Plastic surfaces to clean them up?
Thanks,
Bob
Franklin, IN
USA 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 06, 2013, 04:56:01 am
Hi Bob,

Welcome to the forum.

Do you own or are you purchasing a manual? If you do have one please read it all especially section 2 which is the programming section and in particular page 2-11, The Service Mode Map.

With regards to cleaning the cabinet, when we operated jukeboxes we always used a hard surface cleaner to remove the grime.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on November 06, 2013, 10:16:29 am
Formula 409 will melt that nicotine right off there.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: 87bob on November 06, 2013, 09:14:31 pm
Hi AMI-man and lil-Shawn thanks guys for your responses. Today I bought a Venus that I'll pickup this weekend. I like the CD players I have in them but I have  3-500 CD's I would like to go to a hard drive or iPod. The issue I have how do I display the selection numbers. My wife says she likes to use the built in buttons enter the cd or song number and I do not want permanently alter the looks of the juke box. I'd like to find away to display the CD covers and playlist on a screen that can be turn like the page on a iPad or kindle. Any ideas?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on November 06, 2013, 11:03:11 pm
http://www.cdadapter.com/cd100mp.htm (http://www.cdadapter.com/cd100mp.htm)

it's cost may be prohibitive to you though.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Corey on June 09, 2014, 07:20:38 pm
Gosh, I hope it's okay to post a new question in this old thread.  I've been trying hard to find a replacement for a Rowe R-3760A amp with no luck.  One channel is dead, and the other starts crackling after a few minutes on play.  The amp is in a 1973 Rowe MM5 jukebox (Tiffany Model- ugliest jukebox in the world, but I love it anyway.) 

Do you know anyone who sells or rebuilds these?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on June 09, 2014, 07:44:06 pm
it really comes down to 2 things... the output transistors (dead channel) and the capacitors (which are now.....40 years old now?)

it's going to need all the caps replaced in it for starters. those caps are going to be DRY as all hell. it's no wonder the channel crackles... the bias is going to be all over the place. they are 40 years old...it's time.

the dead channel is likely just some speaker wire got shorted at one time and killed it. the output transistors are going to be shorted on that channel and need to be replaced.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Corey on June 09, 2014, 08:43:00 pm
Thank you for your reply! I'm truly grateful.  I just discovered after removing the amp to take pictures that one of the fuses was blown.  I replaced that and the dead channel came back to life.  I will bring it to an amp guy to have the caps replaced.  Does it make sense that it would sound good until it gets warm, then start sounding bad?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on June 10, 2014, 01:55:47 am
The MM5 and MM6 were sold with two different amplifiers: a tube amplifier and a transistor amplifier. You could order the jukebox with either one, whichever you prefered.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on June 10, 2014, 10:34:28 pm
yes, as the system warms up, the capacitors will drift even more out of spec causing the bias setup for the transistors to start to "wobble"

this amp works in a "push pull" kind of configuration. one transistor is responsible for pushing the speaker cones out from "zero", while the other  is responsible for pulling it in.

when the bias goes out of whack,  when you play music you can often hear a kind of "crunchyness" to the music when high notes (cymbal crashes etc.) hit. this is due to the transistors starting to work against each other instead of in unison. the transistors have to be properly "biased" so when one transistor is turning off, the other is stating to turn on. if the bias goes out, one transistor is still on it's way down back to zero while the other transistor is already starting to turn on. This is where the distortion comes from.

you don't notice it as much with bass as you do with the higher frequencies because the switching frequency is so low, and the distortion area (read as distortion period) in the wave is small compared to the original (0.3% of the total cycle ...but more pronounced with high frequencies because the distortion area now covers much of the wave (20 or 30%)

http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/amplifier/amp_4.html (http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/amplifier/amp_4.html)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Pedro1202 on July 17, 2014, 12:48:25 pm
Hi, I am new to this site and new to forums generally, I am Pedro 1202 and i live in Poole in Dorset U.K. my question is to Alan Hood (ami-man)or anyone who can answer my query, I have a Rowe-Ami RI-1 heritage jukebox that has seen better days but i wish to restore, it lights up when plugged in, but the button bank will not engage when pressed in, you can see no electrical movement when you press either the letter buttons or the number buttons and they will not engage?? I have a Service Manual and Parts Book but no wiring diagrams, does anyone have a wiring diagram for a RI-1 as i would appreciate having one, this will be ongoing as the chap i got it from said there is an issue between the button bank and the pin wheel ( i think he meant it didnt work) so that is in the question as well! I am waiting for a stylus as the original was destroyed but you can hear a rumble from the speakers if you touch the cartridge wires so that is encouraging, so over to you............regards Pedro1202
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on July 17, 2014, 01:04:46 pm
while i don't know about your jukebox specifically, I know a majority of record pushbutton jukes had an interlock on the buttons if there were no coin credits on the machine.

queue up a few credits and see if you can push the buttons then. if not, there may be an issue with the solenoid that pulls in to allow the buttons to be pressed in.

often you can use a paperclip to hold the sprag wheel or remove credit solenoid in the credit mechanism to hold it at maximum credits. every mech is a little different, you'll have to find how it works and go from there.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ed12 on July 17, 2014, 01:27:18 pm
there is a few other thing's that need a  look see also.
there is a small fuse in the power supply that feed's power to that area..it often blow's
because of a short..if it is open replace it with the exact same size >rating< 1..
also there pin bank's develop bad grounds,which will also cause this problem..
there is a few more thing's..but start at the fuse's and get back to us..

ed
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: smalltownguy on July 17, 2014, 03:58:50 pm
Hey guys, I just picked up a 1975 R-74 and I see dip switches on the control module, but I don't know what they do. Does anyone have any info on setting these dips? I'd like to set the machine up for free play.

-Brad Lutz
Osceola, WI USA
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on July 25, 2014, 05:41:34 am
Hi Pedro1202,

Hello and welcome to the forum.

A 1973 Rowe Ami RI-1 Hertage can be a bit of a problem and is prone to a number of faults.
Everyone one of these I have ever serviced has had to have the base speaker foam surround replaced (this is a service we offer). The search unit and mechanism and keyboard are all made to fit model only (the search unit and basket could be used off of a CD-11 Cadette).

I suggest that you contact me direct for any spare parts, advice or servicing.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood (ami-man)
Games Unlimited & Datex Systems
Units 4 & 5 Lion Park
New Street
Halfway
Sheffield
S20 3GH

0114 247 0242
alan-hood@datex.co.uk


Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on July 25, 2014, 02:57:13 pm
Hey guys, I just picked up a 1975 R-74 and I see dip switches on the control module, but I don't know what they do. Does anyone have any info on setting these dips? I'd like to set the machine up for free play.

-Brad Lutz
Osceola, WI USA

there is no dip switch setting for free play, But, there is a test switch on the rear side of the selector. If you move that switch to the test position, you will get continuous free plays.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: optoboy on July 26, 2014, 04:12:04 pm
Hi Ami Man. I just bought a 1991 Rowe-Ami 100B and a large majority of the installed CDs are programmed 'Not Allowed' Can you tell me please how to unlock or change this command? thx
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on July 27, 2014, 12:35:18 am
do a "3,0,popular" in the service mode.

it will re-read all the cd and program them to memeory
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Corey4815 on August 14, 2014, 01:47:43 pm
Hi guys,

So we've had a JAN Diplomat in my basement for a few years now without it working, and I recently started looking at it, trying to fix what I can. The big problem with it is that when the selection is made on the pushbuttons, it doesn't energize the plunger in either Select Coil to push the pin down. It seems that the number wipers are able to recognize all the numbers, but the Sprag Relay S2 doesn't click for letters A through D. When it does click for the other letters, the stopping switch and record magazines do a complete cycle looking for a pin, but the select coils don't push any down. If I manually push a random pin down, testing the stopping switches as they go through this cycle, the transfer arm graps the record and plays it on the turntable, but the hub switch doesn't raise for 45s and at the end the tone arm doesn't reset and the transfer motor doesn't run. I'm wondering if they are related but I'm not sure. When I use the scan switch and manually pick the record, everything runs fine.

Thanks,
Corey
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on August 18, 2014, 06:55:41 am
Hi Corey,

I would check the continuity of the letter switches, these are difficult to clean, I usually use tape head cleaner whilst pushing a couple of buttons at the same time and then move onto the next.

I suggest that you clean the two open relays (R1 & R5) that are under the plastic cover on the keyboard with a paper taper (do not use any spray or sandpaper to clean the contacts). If this does not solve your problem then check the wiring to the Search Unit and clean the open contacts on S1 & S2 on the search unit again with your taper, also check the mechanical operation of these contacts.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK   
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Whayward on November 05, 2014, 08:45:30 am
Hi I have a ami Rowe 55m that has a fault and wondered if anyone could help
It all worked fine then I pressed the cancel button now it won't pull the records from the carousel the carousel rotates to the correct record but won't work any further
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 05, 2014, 08:51:34 am
Hello Whayward,

Welcome to the forum.

If you want me to sort out your mechanism give me a call on 0114 247 0242 I am in Sheffield so only 35 miles down the motorway for you to bring the mechanism to me to service.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
alan-hood@datex.co.uk
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: galegovision on November 05, 2014, 02:48:25 pm
Hi, I was wondering if you could hep me with a problem with my CD100E. Purchased one a few weeks back and everything works great except there are no lights, the mini lamps. The lamp controller had the power led on but no output to the mini lamps. They all looked burnt out and from the research I have done reading through these forums I decided to just replace them all. I purchased the replacements from happ and installed them. I turn on the juke and all the lights came on, FANTASTIC!!!! That was very short lived. Within a few seconds all the lamps that would blink with the music turned off. The lamps for the cd animation remained on along with the lamps for the pricing display. I then noticed that the power led for the lamp controller is not lit. Since I'm a newb, I'm a little confused of what I found on the net. Read some info about the transistor block near the power on bottom left of the juke? I did take apart the lamp controller and noticed it has a fuse. I removed the fuse and will try to track one down and hope/pray that is the issue. I figured since it seems like there is no power going to the controller that it looks like a fuse issue. Could the controller have died? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry for the long description, just wanted to give you the full background.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jennifer on November 05, 2014, 03:10:42 pm
     That sounds to me like a overvoltage condition (if Jennifer read that right) ... Get a volt meter and test the voltage @ the socket.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: galegovision on November 05, 2014, 03:14:20 pm
thanks for the reply

if it is a voltage problem, what would be the solution? Sorry, I understand audio and computers with no problems but when it comes to power I'm completely a novice. Trying to learn but still shaky.

Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on November 05, 2014, 07:48:44 pm
double check which bulbs you received. they should be a #73 (14 volt) you may have got the identical looking #86 bulb (6.3 volts)

some of those controllers had a voltage adjustment on them. you may have to disassemble the controller to get at it (or remove a plastic plug) they eliminated the adjustment in later revisions...if it's blank, check the voltage coming out of the controller if it's higher than 12 volts, check the same voltage on AC. if it reads more than about 30 millivolts, you may have an issue with the rectifier diodes/bridge. a certain failure condition in the bridge can cause the voltage to be really high (like as high as 15 or 18 volts.) which can certainly cause the bulbs to pop after a few minutes.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: galegovision on November 05, 2014, 10:48:53 pm
I did a little more troubleshooting. Replaced the fuse, powered up and same thing. Power led turns red on lamp controller, lamps light up, humming noise, no power to lamp controller.  I double checked and they ar #73s. Attempt #2, replaced fuse but unplugged everything from controller. Powered up juke, plugged power to controller, red power led lights. Plugged in mute plug, still good. Plugged in lower  "W" connector, I have a section of blinking lights, awesome. Plugged in next "V" connector, another section of blinking lights. Fantastic! Plugged in next "W/G" connector, I have lights, a loud hum, fuse blows and no more power to lamp controller.

Does this help narrow down the issue? Could it still be some sort of power problem going to controller or something wrong with that section of lights?

Thanks for helping this newb out.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jennifer on November 06, 2014, 03:47:56 am
    Whats happening is your getting a short under a load, a bad transistor, transformer, or light socket, can do this, it saturates when loaded , shorts out and then your fuse blows cutting off power (like its supposed to), your going to need a volt meter,  a schematic, a few more fuses ( and if it was Jennifer) a 5 watt sugercube, or two for a dummy load so you don't just keep wasting bulbs.... But for now do NOT wrap tinfoil around the fuse, or stick a larger value in there, that's the only protection you have.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: galegovision on November 06, 2014, 11:32:55 am
ok, looks like I'm off to get more fuses and a volt meter. I'm hoping it is something simple like a light socket since my ability to swap out the other components is basically nonexistent. Thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: never0101 on November 06, 2014, 10:58:55 pm
Why hello folks! I just received a rowe ami R-91 was a wedding gift from my now wife.  this thing is fantastic.  ive sorted out a few issues with it,got the mechanism working and ran some de-oxit through every switch and pot and got both channels to wake up and the volume to run nice and smooth!  I have a new stylus and belt coming in the mail hopefully tomorrow or saturday.  The woofers need to be re-foamed as they're starting to split but that will be a project for the winter (as well as probably giving it a fresh coat of paint even tho the over all condition isnt too bad).  The previous owner took great care of it.  The only glaring issue at this point is the small lights on the top and front do not flash.  It is certainly a minor concern, but of course I'd love it to work fully.  The front flurescent tube is also out, but thats a simple replacement. 

The unit DID come with the service manual, however I dont see anything in about the light controller.  Am I missing something?  I'm no pro, but I can work a multimeter and read a schematic but I have none!  Are there any common failures in the light controller that would be easy to check? I pulled it out and de-oxit'd the switch but that did nothing. 

Any tips would certainly rock.   http://imgur.com/a/lge3P (http://imgur.com/a/lge3P) is a gallery of this beast! the error code that is shown has been sorted out and everything is working.  spent the evening tonight cleaning some 45s, loading it and printing some new labels =D
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: galegovision on November 07, 2014, 09:25:17 am
Just wanted to report back that I narrowed the issue down to one strip of lights that was blowing the fuse. Took all the lamps out of strip, plugged strip in and everything stayed powered up. I then took all the lamps out of the wedge sockets. Two lamps were, well the easiest way to explain is they were just not right. One just sat in the socket strange so I replaced it. The other had some sort of material (glass, dust, not sure) in the base of the socket. Cleaned that out and replaced lamp. One by one installed the lamps and I'm up and running!!!!! Still a novice with power in general so no idea what exactly caused the issue. Just super happy it is working now. Thanks for the advice. For the record, I love the fact "the Jennifer" refers to herself in the 3rd person. The Galegovision thinks it is freakin great!

Thanks again
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on November 12, 2014, 01:27:57 pm
awesome you got it fixed.  :cheers: narroed it down to a specific area and troubleshooted from there. great job on that by the way... pretty much what you have to do. find out what works and you are left with what isn't.

it could have been a simple screw shorting things out, or a strand of stray wire in a socket. i've seen several different things cause things to blow up. gotta be on the lookout.

enjoy!

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on December 10, 2014, 12:07:08 am
Hello all, new to the forum.  Quite impressed by the detailed knowledge shared on this forum.  I'm a mod on a Saturn forum site so I know good from bad.....

Anyway, back to the point.

My neighbor has an AMI Rowe R85.  He showed it to me and demonstrated it.  It was in full working order.  Chose and played correct records, both channels seemed to work (maybe I should state both front speaker sets seemed to work), volume pot on back worked, display fine.........

Shortly thereafter, my neighbor decided to dust off the electrical innards (inside he cabinet on the left with the swing up door) with a dry paintbrush.

Since that time, the jukebox functions correctly in all ways but produces no sound nor crackle nor hum.  Nothing.

The 3 voltage indicator lights are lit on what I believe is the main power supply.  I tried resetting the circuit breaker anyway -- no change.
Noticing the next board had an "Ext. Speakers" Wiring harness attached to it I inspected it and found 3 wires disconnected ---presumably from the board terminals (see pic)----red, brown, and the "pink".
I found this odd for two reasons:  I can't see three terminals being that loose that a paintbrush would knock three wires off.  Also, there is currently nothing connected to the terminals on the board labeled "L Channel"(left) so they would all have to have come from the same place.

I find it hard to believe that even with these three wires disconnected, even the right channel wouldn't play.

1)  Could someone please provide me with the correct terminal/wire connections for the left and right speaker portions of this board, and what the terminals correspond to?  What voltages should I expect to see at these terminals?

I also tried resetting the circuit breaker on the 130 W amp.  No effect.
I checked the resistance of the volume pot (10K) and it operates smoothly.

I've also noticed that the amplifier does not seem to give off any heat from those ginormous heatsinks.  I know that being that size, they will take a while to heat up, but I feel nothing.

I did not yet check the voltage coming out of the 120V plug into which the amp is plugged in as I am already troubleshooting in three directions and thought I should call a time out and ask for some expert advice.

My gut feeling is that this is something on a higher (systematic) level (rather simple) that has been disturbed.  For example, cold solder joint on the volume pot?  tugged n wiggled but no sound.  What voltage should I expect to see across the pot?

Any suggestions of what to check would be much appreciated.

Note that I am flying blind (no service manual, no schematics), but I have a reasonably strong electronics background, can read and understand schematics, and I solder just well enough to make the connection.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on December 10, 2014, 12:25:18 am
Sorry  here is the pic
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jennifer on December 10, 2014, 12:44:26 am
    Most likely (and without looking at schematics ) Those wires went to that terminal strip over on the right of the pic, But, Jenn doesn't feel that's the problem. look at them close and see if theres any shiny spots (and loose screws on the terminal) most likely not, but odd they weren't wrapped with tape.... I would look for a amp fuse on the power supply , beings how no noise at all kind of sounds like a no power issue.  (there may also be one on the backside of the amp.)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on December 10, 2014, 05:08:41 pm
if the amp is getting power at the socket, suspect the amp.

if there is no power at the amp socket, suspect the power supply transformer and circuit. (fuse/circuit breaker)

if it's the amp being the issue... check the circuit breaker on the top. just depress the button to reset it.

filing that, pull the amp off the juke and turn it around and check the backside, it'll have a couple fuses on some square driver boards for each of the channels left and right. if you have a blown one replace them (SAME RATING 8 amp fast blow type) and then plug it in on the bench as you watch the back. replacing the fuses with higher ratings will only fry the !@#$ out of your driver boards!!

if they blow up again, the output transistors are hosed and will need to be replaced.

if they don't blow, it's safe to go back in.

transistors are now 2n6284 and 2n6487 2 of each (you may have old discontinued part numbered original ones in there.) replace them as pairs only. and be sure to clean and replace the mica insulators under the transistors too or they will blow up as soon as it's powered.

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on December 10, 2014, 06:01:10 pm
Thanks for the ideas, folks.  Will check in order provided.
What do I clean the mica insulators with?

Anyone else have any ideas about the stray unconnected wires in the pic?

Not sure when I will get back to the scene of the crime as it lives across the street, but I WILL be back to report on status.  As a mod myself, "post n run" members are truly annoying.  I'm not going to be one of them on this forum.

The neighbor wants it to be fixed sooner rather than later so maybe a few days

Thank you and Keep those ideas coming!

Derf
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: yukonblaze on December 10, 2014, 08:00:27 pm
Hello Help Desk,
  I have a berkeley and  not able to get the neon to turn on. When powered 12v through computer power supply they light. Wires going  into neon transformer give 12v until under load then drop to 5v. Can't find and don't have schematic for 40897301 ps. Have tested fuses and bride rectifier to no avail.
Thanks
Jason

Update****fixed
LM317t was bad, replaced and neon works!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on December 10, 2014, 10:25:24 pm
Thanks for the ideas, folks.  Will check in order provided.
What do I clean the mica insulators with?

Anyone else have any ideas about the stray unconnected wires in the pic?

Not sure when I will get back to the scene of the crime as it lives across the street, but I WILL be back to report on status.  As a mod myself, "post n run" members are truly annoying.  I'm not going to be one of them on this forum.

The neighbor wants it to be fixed sooner rather than later so maybe a few days

Thank you and Keep those ideas coming!

Derf

you would clean them with some kind of solvent to really get them clean. they are crystalline sheets and break really easy. I've done enough that i can clean them with just a cotton rag. but i know how much they can take before they will shatter on you.


as for the wires, just tape them up and tuck them out of the way.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on December 12, 2014, 10:54:52 am
The lilshawn. I'll get on it.  Hopefully I won't need to open the amp....
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on December 12, 2014, 11:52:57 am
The lilshawn. I'll get on it.  Hopefully I won't need to open the amp....

lol. it's already open for you.  :lol (you'll get what i mean when you see it)  :P

also, those "stray wires" just look like old volume pot wires. jukes often had a volume control on the back of the unit near the cancel button. operators often just hacked them out to keep people from pissing around with them. (or where too cheap to buy the wired remote from rowe and just reused the pot in a project box (or the like) to get remote volume.) no big deal.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on December 13, 2014, 08:32:57 pm
Hi All,

First,

This unit is an R89    NOT an R85 (that's what happens when you don't write things down).  My apologies for the mistake.


Updates on troubleshooting:

Main power supply:
Service Outlet:  120V AC
Outlet that powers amp:  12V AC

Circuit breaker on amp--no effect when pushed

Amp removed:
One of four fuses on the square boards was blown.  Per LWayne, replaced w 5 amp  (they are 5 amp---must have been 8amp for the mistakenly referenced R85)  and bench tested with it hooked up,  Powered it down,  All fuses good.  No signs if scorched or overheated components on square boards.  Did not disengage main PCB once I saw the fun it will be to get the three independent connectors aligned.  Will cross that bridge when necessary.
Is this a dual push pull setup with two fuses per channel?

Amp output connector:  No voltage on either L or R channel output (4 socket connector near top left with amp installed in jukebox)

Double Transformer board on base of unit:  No voltage at connected wires. 

Note:  Only 3 wires connected to right channel -- E1 (tan), E4(black)  E6("pink")
NOTHING connected to left channel terminals.

The currently taped off red and brown wires cannot have been for a volume pot in the back of the unit as one already exists and the wires are too short anyway.  They REALLY look like they belong attached to a transformer down there.  My hunch would be somewhere on the left channel, otherwise this would be a half stereo setup(?)

Thanks for your continued input

Derf
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: meangene0 on December 13, 2014, 11:40:11 pm
I am looking for a eprom for my CCC in a Rowe 100G.  I am also looking for where I can get a battery holder for the same board.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: willie50 on December 14, 2014, 07:56:49 am
Hi Alan, I have just bought a Rowe Ami R88. Once I had loaded my records I noticed it will not play B sides from 228 onwards, it plays 227 fine. This to me seems as though it can count up 127 which in binary is 1111111 but fails to count 128 which is 00000001. if 228 selected it picks and plays 100 ( first record ) 229 plays 101 etc. Regards Keith
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on December 14, 2014, 11:48:37 am
Hi All,

First,

This unit is an R89    NOT an R85 (that's what happens when you don't write things down).  My apologies for the mistake.


Updates on troubleshooting:

Main power supply:
Service Outlet:  120V AC
Outlet that powers amp:  12V AC

Circuit breaker on amp--no effect when pushed

Amp removed:
One of four fuses on the square boards was blown.  Per LWayne, replaced w 5 amp  (they are 5 amp---must have been 8amp for the mistakenly referenced R85)  and bench tested with it hooked up,  Powered it down,  All fuses good.  No signs if scorched or overheated components on square boards.  Did not disengage main PCB once I saw the fun it will be to get the three independent connectors aligned.  Will cross that bridge when necessary.
Is this a dual push pull setup with two fuses per channel?

Amp output connector:  No voltage on either L or R channel output (4 socket connector near top left with amp installed in jukebox)

Double Transformer board on base of unit:  No voltage at connected wires. 

Note:  Only 3 wires connected to right channel -- E1 (tan), E4(black)  E6("pink")
NOTHING connected to left channel terminals.

The currently taped off red and brown wires cannot have been for a volume pot in the back of the unit as one already exists and the wires are too short anyway.  They REALLY look like they belong attached to a transformer down there.  My hunch would be somewhere on the left channel, otherwise this would be a half stereo setup(?)

Thanks for your continued input

Derf

re aligning the boards is easier than it looks. once you get the preamp board on the posts it pretty much lines up.

that power outlet looks to be an issue. it should have 120 volts not 12 (unless typo) you can plug into the service outlet for testing (it just won't shut off when the power is cut.

i would recommend pulling the driver boards and inspecting the backside. sometimes a trace that loops between some solder points can burn off. if it has, it's likely got some component damage and will need to be repaired.


it's quite common for operators to load both speakers on one channel to have other channel available for external speakers. Also it's common to blow a channel and just move the speakers over to the working channel to "get by" till it can get fixed.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on December 14, 2014, 01:36:14 pm
Yup.  12.xx Volts.  No typo.  Measured it twice as I dd not believe it myself.  Was pretty sure this was pat of the issue as I have never come across an Amp operating at 12V AC input--- though I do not do much troubleshooting

Service is 120V.

Now I will pull the driver boards for inspection

First, having replaced the burned fuse on one of the channels, I will bench test from the service outlet and see if the fuse pops right away.

By the way, with the amp underside facing so that the square boards are to the right, which one is the left and right channel driver board?

Interestingly enough, the mono/stereo switch was found set to mono.... so you are likely right regarding everything being shifted to one channel with that blown fuse taking out one of the channels (presumably the left)   which leads me back to those disconnected wires---likely from the left channel but moved to the right, maybe, then dislodged during cleaning?  Where o where do they belong?  If they are for the left channel. I'd like them connected back up so that the full "stereo" sound comes through the speakers.

Thanks again for all your help!!

I'll report back soon!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on December 14, 2014, 02:51:55 pm
oriented with the transformer to the left, boards in the middle, and preamp on the right... i believe the left is the top board and the right, the bottom one. (but don't take my word for gospel.) It's been a long time since i worked on one of this age. (although the amps haven't changed much through to the 90's)

if it works with the service outlet, you got something wonky going on in the main power supply (burned wire or blown fuse/circuit breaker) it's easy enough to remove from the unit and inspect as well... most components in jukes are all removable to easily change out parts out in the field. most everything is a philips screw or a 1/4" nut drive.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on December 15, 2014, 08:05:13 am
Hello Derf,

Welcome to the forum, sorry I was on holiday last week.

The wiring onto the output package is as follows:-

Violet Left E6 Left Channel speakers
Red Left E4 Extension speaker connection Left Channel
Black Right E1 Common
Brown Right E4 Extension speaker connection Right Channel
Pink Right E6 Right Channel speakers

I hope this helps.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on December 15, 2014, 10:37:21 am
Thank you both.

Alan -- if the left channel is blown and I need to "double up" to get both channels through the right side, does the left E4  get attached along with the right E4, etc? 

My neighbor and I have not gotten together to carry out the next troubleshooting steps as outlined by LilWayne.    His wife makes homemade custom candy and he is part of the "packaging line".  You can imagine the stress in that household this time of year.....

Anyway, I relayed LW's last assessment to him verbally so he's up to speed.
I'll post back w more results when I have them

Thanks again.

Derf
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on December 15, 2014, 11:58:38 pm
OK, got an update tonight from owner.

Plugging the amp into the unswitched service outlet restored sound from the jukebox speakers though I don't know which ones, so the amp is at least partly functional.  We have not not yet pulled the amp to see if the previously replaced fuse has again blown, signaling trouble on that channel.

Owner states that when he turns off the machine with the switch in the back, he hears what he described as a high pitched tone coming through the speakers.  I explained to him that the amp was now plugged into an unswitched outlet and therefore always on, powering the amp.

My question is how much if any and what type of noise should I expect to hear with just the amp on?  Is it due to an imbalance between the output transistors on that one working channel? (output should be zero but bias is off kilter?).  Man it's been years since I troubleshot (?) anything with good ol' fashioned discrete components.  Kind of refreshing actually.  I'm sure they don't teach the kids any of this in school today...

Thanks again.

More updates as they develop.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jennifer on December 16, 2014, 12:59:27 am
     Jennifer would go right for the transformer and make sure you got the small signals available to pull the relays.... Apparently they are not teaching this much anymore, most of my test equipment is from college/tech school/gov. sellouts.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on December 16, 2014, 11:39:52 am
Thank you Jennifer.
Unfortunately I do not have a schematic (flying blind) --- could Jennifer please be more specific about where the small signals should be, and what/where is the location of the relays Jennifer discussed?

Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on December 16, 2014, 11:46:00 am
the amp normally emits some static and sound (hiss etc) when it's powered on but not muted (the system ties a wire to ground to mute the amp to be silent when it's not playing.) when the system gets powered off, that is left hanging and the amp is left unmuted. it's picking up stray signals and amplifying them.

you'll have to inspect the power supply unit and see why the amp socket isn't working. i have a feeling it's dead and that small transient 12 volts AC you are reading is just some bleed off through a filtering cap on the AC input you are reading. you may have a blown circuit breaker/fuse on that outlet.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: knightthorne on December 16, 2014, 01:29:24 pm
Hello all. I am new here to this forum. I am in the USA, Colorado.

Any help anyone may have is greatly appreciated. I am a general repair technician, and not specifically an arcade game, or jukebox repair technician (tho I do a bit of this work quite often).

I am working on a Rowe AMI MM1A Music Merchant. It is loaded with 45's. It is the model with the 100 watt amplifier module. This unit was purchased "blind" by one of my clients at a charity fundraiser auction about a year ago. As purchased, it had very many issues. We have resolved most of them, and now have it almost completely working.

We do have the parts manual, and the service manual (both from victory glass).

Here are the current questions and issues:

1) How does one establish what year this model is? Can this be derived from the devices serial number?

2) Unit accepts, accumulates, and clears credits. However, is there any way to set this unit for "Free Play"? (the client just wants it to always allow selections as it is just in his man cave)

3) We can select and play a record, it is delivered to the platter, and cleared correctly. However, this will only work for letters (D, F, H, K, M, P, R, T, V).
All numbers will play within these letters (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0). We can select the other letters (A,B,C,E,G,J,L,N,Q,S,U) with all numbers (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0) however, the search and select unit will not activate a pin for any of these letters (A,B,C,E,G,J,L,N,Q,S,U) regardless of the number (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0). It will spin the select coil arm assembly, however, it won't select a pin. I am aware that all of the "failing letters" are on the outer ring, except for letter (B). Realizing this, we swapped the wires for the 2 coil feeds on the outer wiper assembly, in an attempt to test the outer selection coil, and the associated pins. Once this was done, we could make the unit play records on the filing letters. So the outer coil, it's leads, and the outer pins are all functioning. We have of course returned the wires to their original position following this test. Any Ideas here? It almost seems like a key selection issue (like a keyboard matrix failure).... but maybe not.

I appreciate anything you can do to provide guidance, or suggestions to point us in the right direction.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on December 16, 2014, 02:50:37 pm
check for a bad lead between the button panel selector unit. if it's attached to the door, the flexing of the wires from opening and closing the door can break the wires.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: knightthorne on December 16, 2014, 03:24:14 pm
Is there any particular lead set you would recommend as being likely to cause such a widespread failure? or do you suggest just checking through them all? Either is of course doable, just looking to streamline the process. Also, the button set is not on the door on this model. It is mounted into the main / lower case.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jennifer on December 16, 2014, 08:58:02 pm
    Re: Derf:  Rather than confuse you Signal distribution most likely isn't your problem, It was merely a thought to get a closer look at the transformer and maybe find out where your 120v went.... You really should look into getting a manual, Check the input transformer, and rebuild the amp (IMO),  AND make a new work thread to not only document it for future generations, but also to let Jenn see your baby. ::) .
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on December 18, 2014, 12:02:38 am
Thank you Jennifer.  Derf does intend to get a closer look a the input transformer and plans to rehook the left channel wires on top of the right channel ones on the R channel transformer (keeping E4s and E6s together) to see if Derf can restore stereo output at least on that one channel (wow that sounds strange but you know what I mean) AND look at the driver boards again (See if that fuse popped again)

Derf will enjoy troubleshooting the main power supply/board.  Hoping for something simple but only the shadow knows.

As for a manual, Derf is quite enjoying the on the fly education regarding basic jukebox amplification; why stop now?  (Other than to stop using up favors around here  ;)......  )
Seriously, cost is an issue here and not much luck finding an R89 Shop Manual on Ebay....still searching
___________
Oh Joy -- just found the "modify" button  8)   .  Just found one on Ebay 2 min after typing above for Combo R88 R89 Shop Manual $30.  QUestion is does owner want me to spend $30 to find out he needs $100 more to fully correct issues...???  We shall see...........
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ed12 on December 18, 2014, 12:43:06 am
err that would be mono and not stereo
as stereo take's 2 channels
now that said try flipper's.com
john has the manual..25-30.00

ed
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on December 18, 2014, 01:14:55 am
The original "Shop" service manuals are in special 11" by 17" 3 ring soft cover binders like the one pictured. You ordered them through the parts department of your local Rowe distributor. We had to pay $100 each back in the day.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on December 18, 2014, 06:55:31 am
Hello knightthorne,

Welcome to the forum.

The Rowe Ami MM-1 Music Merchant was produced in 1967 and came with the "Change-A-Scene" front panel, there were about 3 to 4 different panels that could be fitted to suit the location.

Regarding your selection fault, you need to clean the open/closed contacts on the two relays on the keyboard (these are usually under a plastic cover) marked on the manual R1 & R5, in addition you can clean the open/closed contacts on the Search Unit relays S1 & S2. The best way to clean these contacts is by using a paper taper pulled between the contacts, check for mechanical operation (making & breaking of the contacts).

You had better check the impeadence of the A side pin pusher coil (if it is the same as the B side coil you had best check the search unit PCB for cracks, also thes two coils are fed via three very thin tracks that may have worn through giving no supply to the coils).

Please let us know how you get on.

Ken,

I could not do any of my work on the Rowe Ami boards without the use of the various Field Manuals that Rowe Ami produced.
Any manual even the owners manual is money well spent.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on December 18, 2014, 10:53:41 am
.... plan to rehook the left channel wires on top of the right channel ones on the R channel transformer (keeping E4s and E6s together) to see if Derf can restore stereo output at least on that one channel (wow that sounds strange but you know what I mean)

Ummmmmmmmmmm yeah, I should have used the phrase "restore amplification of both L and R channels of the MUSIC through the right channel of the amp".  Comes so effortlessly early in the morning.  At midnight it did not.
Hence the "you know what I mean".

Thanks for keeping me honest, Ed.
Thanks for the lead on the manual.
 I like the "errr' ; I'm borrowing that for use on my Saturn forums.  I will give proper credit upon 1st use.
_________________
Thanks Ken.  I had read somewhere (probably on this forum) that these were bitchin' $$ in their day.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on December 23, 2014, 03:29:00 pm
flippers didn't have the manual but I bought the one off ebay that had been in an auction but suddenly became "buy it now". Was listed as an R-88 R-99 Shop Manual.  Hope I didn't get ripped as I figured each would have it's own. 

Won't get here till next week, so in the mean time, Happy Holidays to all!
May your Juke's Juke......
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on December 28, 2014, 12:41:56 am
The manual came earlier than expected.  Much easier than guessing.  Will keep y'all posted and surely will post some bonehead questions along the way.  I tend to overthink things to my own detriment.........
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on January 10, 2015, 01:27:51 am
just an update to say there is no update, other than my continuing battle with balance and dizziness issues, now with earaches and tinnitus just for fun.  Can't drive.  Sux.  Been to 1 ENT and  2 neurologists, the second of which did extensive testing and came up with --I don't know.

I finally have the wiring diagrams for everything so I can theoretically intelligently troubleshoot.

Happy new year to all.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: talede on January 22, 2015, 11:26:27 am
I have a AMI R-80 Vintage 1976 jukebox which won't allow me to select songs using the push buttons. Can you help?

Thanks

Talede
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on January 23, 2015, 06:49:00 am
Hello Talede,

Welcome to the forum.

What country do live in? This will help with anyone replying to your post and we can direct you where to go to for spare parts and services.

Which 1976 Rowe Ami R-80 do you have; is it the standard R-80 Imperial or Fleetwood (with letters & number keys) or is it the digital R-80S (numbers only)

Which ever jukebox you have you will have to establish credit in order to select.
Free play can be done on different was on both of the above models.

Standard R-80
Undo the top door on the jukebox (above the keyboard), on the back of the keyboard are bonus switches, one of the switches (sorry I can't remember which) it is the lefthand one or the righthand one. Try it one at a time. This allows the keys to be pressed, if the keys do not latch then there is an issue with the latchbar solenoid.

R-80S
Undo the top door and look for the Selector Logic board 601-08060, you will see a test/normal switch, switch to test for free play.

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: washington_Brian on January 28, 2015, 03:20:04 pm
I have a Rowe TI-2 Rhapsody jukebox. Everything powers up, but the scan doesn't work (the wheel doesn't rotate). I can move the wheel with my hand (when scan is on), and I get it to play a record. I have disassembled and cleaned the scan control unit and various other parts. Any advice?

Live in the USA, Washington DC area.

Thanks!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on January 30, 2015, 09:14:36 am
Hello Brian,

I would check that the detent switch is working correctly, this switches the magazine motor, also check to see that you have continuity through the motor. Also check that the 30 volts AC is present through the service switch into the molex plug into the left hand side of the mechanism (at the service switch AC is the Yellow and Yellow/Black cables).

Regards
Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: washington_Brian on January 30, 2015, 12:34:02 pm
Thanks, and I'll let you...
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 01, 2015, 04:43:33 pm
I purchased a R-92 a few weeks ago and its been giving me a headache!  Help me AMI-MAN you're my only hope!!!

Its a R-92 with a CCC from a R-94 in it.  (at least the IC is stamped R-94 V1.1) 

Ive managed to get it to play records just fine but i have a few "bugs"

I cannot get it to initialize the CD Player completely.   After entering 777, it goes through the CD's but stops at CD 5.  Never making it to disc 6 and then the CCC display goes blank (the four lines disappear).  It still does not accept selections starting with disc 5.   I already took some advice from previous posts; i re-seated the e-prom and checked the battery voltage (3.04v), and re-soldered all the pins in case of cold joints.......    any thoughts?

Secondly, i read in an older post that if you return the service switch to "ON" but still have to hit 999, that the CCC is bad.  I definitely have this issue; i have to hit 999 every time i return the service switch to "on".    Is this something i should be concerned about?

FYI, yes i do have the manual(s) but they are pretty worthless in regards to this stuff.   

Thank you for your time!
Mat
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 02, 2015, 06:43:38 am
Hello Mat,

Welcome to the forum.

What country do you live in?

If you are in the USA, I suggest that you contact Bruce Wentworth to have your CCC tested/repaired. If you are in Europe or wish to use our services bye all means send your board to me in the UK for servicing.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
alan-hood@datex.co.uk
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 02, 2015, 08:21:10 am
Thanks for the reply!   I live in the USA.

I assume that means you think the CCC has issues?   If so, honestly its just cheaper for me to go get a new CCC as i live an hour away from someone who literally has several hundred of these CCC's. 

I know everyone loves pics, (i know i do).... this is what im referring to:

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/pszldjpjcl70ayr/IMAG1902.jpg?dl=0)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/5fib9lj7olznffa/IMAG1904.jpg?dl=0)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/gh06c2vhqeombfe/IMAG1909.jpg?dl=0)

BONUS PIC:  R92 with 250 watt amp!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ulufv793z2w8g7s/IMAG1906.jpg?dl=0)

EDIT:  My pics wont show up!!!    Here is a link to the dropbox folder:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9lcr4xssl3bxyyi/AAA_MzIxNVYqBBgUfOI8vwsGa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9lcr4xssl3bxyyi/AAA_MzIxNVYqBBgUfOI8vwsGa?dl=0)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 02, 2015, 08:50:34 am
Is there anything on this CCC that i can check on my own? (common failure points, like Diodes, transistors, resistors, etc)

I guess i will break out the multimeter and go over everything before picking up a new CCC. 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: washington_Brian on February 02, 2015, 09:21:53 am
Alan,
There is no voltage across the motor (when on or scan mode). I get the 30 volts on the dent switch, and it work perfectly. Do you think the motor is dead?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 02, 2015, 09:39:16 am
Brian-

EDIT:  After reading your previous post, i would assume youve already done the basics....    just ignore this post.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on February 02, 2015, 02:38:17 pm
the main failure for the CCC's is usually the battery. having a low battery causes all kinds of havoc. i substitute a CR2032 battery holder in place of the soldered in battery and then slap in a 2032 and it's good till next time (in which case i can just pop in another battery in 15 seconds)

other than that, the header pins can develop cracks at the board and can often use a resolder.

if your battery is good, doing a system clear (reset) can clear out any glitches stored in the battery backed ram. You'll have to reset all the system settings... but occasionally a setting can get glitched and cause freezing when the system goes to read the setting stored there.

anything beyond those things, is best left to a service professional as you are probably looking at changing out ram/rom or possibly a bad CPU. A service professional can plop the computer in a known good working unit and see what the deal with it is.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 03, 2015, 07:17:01 am
Hi Brian,

I would remove the the complete motor/detent plate from the jukebox and rig up temporary 30 volts AC supply to the motor/switch conections (you will have to hold in the dentent coil to do this) you could get the supply from your jukebox power supply look for Yellow & Black cables (yellow is on pin 2 of the molex plug and black is pin 3).

Regards
Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: washington_Brian on February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 am
Alan,
I have a variable power supply, so I will take off the motor and give it a try. Thanks!

Brian
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 05, 2015, 02:22:12 pm
While im waiting for my new parts to come in for the CCC......  (battery holder and battery)

Anyone have any recommendations on "upgrades" i can do to my 250-watt amp?  I replaced the stock 130 watt amp with a 250 watt from a CD100 and i though i did get a little improvement, its still not what i was expecting.   The lows are weak and the highs are ok (though i suspect the speakers are partially to blame).      I was looking at replacing/upgrading the caps but there are so many out there i dont know where to begin.   Then the rectifier.... ?????   

Mat

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 06, 2015, 10:16:56 am
Hi Matt,

There is a fundamental issue with your input into the amplifier the R-92 should have more than enough volume and separation with the 130 watt amplifier and the 250 watt will again be slightly have more volume but not by much.

Messing about with the build of the amplifier will not gain you much IMHO.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 06, 2015, 04:19:49 pm
Welp i picked up a new CCC, and it dosent appear to help.

I did the manual reset of the board then tried to re-initialize the cd player and it stopped at CD number 5.   Ive disassembled the entire player and i know itll play cd 6 so i dont know the the deal is.   

I have received the new CR2032 PCB battery holders (glad i ordered two).   I will install one on the old board and one on the new board, then swap the IC chip if nothing changes to see what happens.   Old one appears to be R94 V1.1   the new board appears to have IC R92 V1.2

Alan-

Thanks for your response!    Thats not exciting news....   i dont know what im going to do now....   maybe grab a plate amplifier from parts express and maybe that will provide enough kick?   I dunno. 

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 07, 2015, 12:24:58 am
OK, not the CCC's fault (though switching CCC's got rid of the errors and now properly exists programming mode when putting the service switch to on)

It was the CD player:  i had the pesky lens problem where it fell out some time ago.   I used super glue (like and idiot) and it fogged up the inside of the lens.  I switch the entire reader unit out with a spare, and it initialized!!!!!       For those who have never initialized a CD player on these jukeboxes: it should NOT skip disc to disc to disc.   It should however, select the first CD then play two seconds of each of the first ten songs per CD, stopping at the last inserted disc in the player.   

Next problem: it wont stop playing!   I start one song on the CD player and it just keeps going.     Any thoughts?

Im going to start a reference guide on these jukeboxes as this appears to be the only place to get good information.   Any chance i could get in trouble for posting the entire R92 manual, CD Supplement and Compact Bill Acceptor manuals online?

Mat

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on February 08, 2015, 10:30:04 am
any initialization i've done loads the disk, spins it up to read the TOC and then stops, switches to the next disk...rinse repeat many more times.

you should be doing a (service mode) 3,0,popular then press popular+cancel together a few times to exit... then switch off service mode button back to normal operation. the initialization should start within a few seconds.

nothing actually plays.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 08, 2015, 04:01:04 pm
Should caveat  that with ***** for R92 with the Pioneer CD-Player*****

Hit 777, wait 5-6 seconds and you should see - - - - on the display of the CCC, then hear the CD player switch to disc 1.

It plays two seconds of each song 1 through 10 of on all 6 CD's then stops.  Then,  - - - - clears from the display, and initialization is complete.  I did this twice again today to confirm for first observation.

Mat


Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on February 09, 2015, 11:19:59 am
oops, you are right. this thread has been so complicated flip flopping around I forgot which one we were talking about :P
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: actman on February 09, 2015, 12:27:32 pm
I have a CD100-C. Sometimes a song will be playing and I enter the next song to play. However it does not play the next song it just stops. I can add credits with my remote and that works. I try either with the remote or the keys on the Box to re-enter them and still won't play. Power off will not fix the issue on Reset will work. I have to look closer and see if it only occurs when I try to enter selections via the Wireless remote.
I have the updated flash for the rom. This issue does not happen very often but when it does its a pain to do a reset and loose all my settings.
Ami-man any ideas on this issue?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 10, 2015, 11:06:35 am
OK so remaining issues are:

1) CD player just keeps playing once started and wont stop.   The CCC does not appear to be able to mute/stop the CD player (????) or maybe it does not recognize the song has stopped (??)
2) Light controller is alive, but will not "dance" to the music.   Found some other diodes that are dead, will replace this week.  (going to do a write-up of this so future people will know how to fix this)
3) ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO GET THE COLORED LIGHT LENSES?   i know AB Jukebox has them but with $15.00 shipping on $10 worth of parts, im not willing just yet to buy these from there and i cant seem to find them on HAPP.      (FYI these are the ones im talking about:  http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/catalog.aspx?storename=abjukeboxrepair&DeptID=200615&ItemID=9476226&detail=1 (http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/catalog.aspx?storename=abjukeboxrepair&DeptID=200615&ItemID=9476226&detail=1)

EDIT:   Replace bad diode no dice.....   then replaced transistors labeled: MPS6515  with NTE289A  and now the lights stay on "high" all the time and ive lost all flash no matter what setting im on.     thoughts?

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP!!!!

Mat
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: BigAlsCandy on February 14, 2015, 04:47:09 pm
To ami-man (or anyone else)
I have been a lurker on this site off and on for about a year.
I recently decided to join and seek some advice on a juke box that I bought.
I have narrowed it down to the R-85 and I think it is the Starburst model.
I bought it off of a guy that didn't have room for it anymore and paid $150 which also included over 700 45's.

It seems to work fine with a couple of exceptions.  Keep in mind that my electronic expertise goes about as far as plugging it in.
1.  The numbers don't always work.  They worked fine today but several months ago I noticed that some were not working.
2.  The left speaker is not nearly as loud as the right speaker.  I swapped them out and figured out that it was not the speaker itself.
3.  I want to replace the needle.  It works fine but I don't really know how old it is or the abuse it has had. 

I would love to find someone local or relatively close that could work on it and make and necessary repairs or adjustments.
I live in Alabama, USA if anyone knows of someone within a couple hundred miles. 
I am going to try to post a pic but didn't have luck with it earlier.
I have loved visiting this site and all of the knowledge that folks share.
Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 16, 2015, 10:29:08 am
Hello BigAlsCandy,

Welcome to the forum.

The 1981 Rowe Ami R-85 came in three model styles:-

Starlight (my favorite) infinity lighting around a mirror ball.
Starwood no attract lighting cabinet trim red, orange, brown.
Starburst again no attract lighting but a hologram effect on the lower panel, colours used green & blue the issue with this jukbox is that the title rack is coloured so the lighting on the titles is not great.

The keyboard issue could be bad switches or more than kilely dry joints (called cold joints USA, cracking around the solder on the connection pins) on the top & bottom connections on the Pricing Broard 6-08878-01 (revision number up to -05) which is just under the CCC.

You will need a Shure N44C stylus if the cartridge is the orginal M44C (can be marked up Rowe Ami).

Check that the wiring to the cartridge is correct as per your manual, this effects the sound if not correct.

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Corny on February 16, 2015, 05:52:23 pm
I just brought home a 100c and was wondering where I can go for parts to replace some of these: 

laminate on the side
bezel
speaker grills
cover for amp area

Also looking for advice on how to fix the animation display and getting all the lights working (Can I replace them with LED's while I am at it?) ?

Fortunately the cd player inside was brand new and the audio sounds great, its just not a looker at the moment.

Thanks for any help!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 16, 2015, 11:20:16 pm
My Time to Shine!!!

Corny-

I ordered an animation motor from herbach and rademan  $30 inc shipping (still waiting on it, so ill let you know how it goes)  They apparently have 5 of the 10PRM motors in stock right now.   
http://www.herbach.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HAR&Product_Code=Synchron+-+RPM (http://www.herbach.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HAR&Product_Code=Synchron+-+RPM)

As for LED's you can get them at cointaker (look under "other" section for any #86 bulbs).   I can verify these work well. 

As for plastics.   Please provide me your location.   (if you are in the DC/Balitmore US area, you are in luck!)





Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Corny on February 17, 2015, 12:48:18 pm
Thanks for the info lurch.

Please do let me know on the motor as that is the cheapest I have seen them so far.

I live in the pacific northwest so unfortunately I appear to be out of the range for the plastics.

Edit: Has anyone replaced the florescent tubes with LED tubes?  The Juke didn't come with any of the tubes or the covers for the tubes, what length/wattage do I need and does anyone know where I can get the covers for them?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 19, 2015, 05:02:38 am
Hi Corny,

You can use theatrical gel (loads of shades well over 300 available, full sheets are more than the length of the tubes) you can use one colour or cut into strips  and then cover with a clear gel.

That was a good price on the motors, by the time we get any into the UK it costs well over £50 plus import duty.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 19, 2015, 08:34:00 am
OK, so after 4 weeks of waiting,  i got the motor last night!   (mostly due to the snow in NJ where the seller is located)

Here are some pics (this is the $30 inc shipping motor mentioned earlier).   I realized that the old motor i had was NOT factory as its 20RPM not the standard 10RPM.  So this may not be a good comparison reference for everyone.  That said, the new motor worked perfectly in my R92.   Notice the shaft has no teeth, just a notch and appears to be 1/8inch shorter.    If you had to you could simply move the internal gearing from your old motor to this new motor.

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/3qk8gqlekoat6cv/IMAG1960.jpg?raw=1)
Left: NEW motor   Right: OLD motor

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/tz2uw2fhc9dmani/IMAG1961.jpg?raw=1)
Left: NEW motor  Right: OLD motor
I guess different manufacturing regulations since then?  Hence the vented cap.  Either way, its mounted upside down so dust shouldnt be a problem.   Its SUPER quiet (cant hear it at all!)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38pry6pzf3uy4o/IMAG1963.jpg?raw=1)
Left: NEW motor  Right: OLD motor
Notice the shaft has no teeth, just a notch and appears to be 1/8inch shorter.  Shaft diameter is the same.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 19, 2015, 08:49:54 am
Hi Corny,

You can use theatrical gel (loads of shades well over 300 available, full sheets are more than the length of the tubes) you can use one colour or cut into strips  and then cover with a clear gel.


After a quick search, i found these:  http://www.stagespot.com/rosco-quick-color-sleeves-for-fluorescent-tubes.html (http://www.stagespot.com/rosco-quick-color-sleeves-for-fluorescent-tubes.html)

They appear to match what AMIMAN was talking about.     That said, while you are there you should replace the ballast as well (those old starter motors often cause POPs or spikes in the electrical system).   They are about $15 at home depot/lowes and worth every penny.  (just swapped mine out this week!, world of difference!)


(https://www.dropbox.com/s/oeoc4qli1tvasg3/IMAG1935.jpg?raw=1)
OLD JUNK BALLAST
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/bxvxavzrqv1mx3b/IMAG1941.jpg?raw=1)
Shiny new ballast!   Instantly turns on, no electrical spikes, no humm noise, and its brighter!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 19, 2015, 08:54:20 am
That was a good price on the motors, by the time we get any into the UK it costs well over £50 plus import duty.

Regards
Alan

Alan (Ami-man)  what if you could get them direct from china?  Would you still have to pay the import duties?    Im sure these can be ordered and sent directly to you......   ill dig around.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Corny on February 19, 2015, 11:33:14 am
Awesome, the gel is just what I was looking for, thank you!  After fixing some electrical wires last night I plugged in my old motor and it *just worked* so that is one less thing to worry about for now.  Good idea about replacing the ballast, I had to replace the starter and tube so I might as well replace that while I am at it.  I have a couple easy questions hopefully:

For the fluorescent lamp that is mounted above the cd title rack that is supposed to have a tube guard with the gel installed, this is also supposed to spin correct?  How does this mechanism spin the tube?  Can anyone take a close up picture for me so I can compare what is in mine, I think I am missing something.

Every once in awhile the cd tray will spin to the incorrect # selected and last night I noticed that one of my cds was laying on the deck and another cd was put into a slot crooked (e.g. it was in 02 and 04).  Is this an adjustment issue?  How do I diagnose/fix this?

Edit:
Where can I get a replacement lock?  I don't care if it is keyed the same or not, I found one at home depot that was the right length but the square peg was too large.

What are the connectors that I see in the cab where you insert the wires like a molex plug?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 19, 2015, 01:23:03 pm
Check out:
http://www.arcadeadventures.com/economy-locks-various-sizes-same-key-code/ (http://www.arcadeadventures.com/economy-locks-various-sizes-same-key-code/)
Bought many locks from there....   this model always comes with the same key, which is great! They are really durable and are just as good as the more expensive options.  I usually just replace all the locks at once, its just easier that way (these are too cheap not to do that).

I looked around and wasnt able to find a copy of the manual online but i seriously recommend having a hard copy anyways.
Spend the $30 and get the manual, you wont regret it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rowe-CD-100C-LaserStar-Jukebox-Service-Parts-Manual-/360126842640?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53d93b8710# (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rowe-CD-100C-LaserStar-Jukebox-Service-Parts-Manual-/360126842640?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53d93b8710#)

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 20, 2015, 07:47:41 am

For the fluorescent lamp that is mounted above the cd title rack that is supposed to have a tube guard with the gel installed, this is also supposed to spin correct?  How does this mechanism spin the tube?  Can anyone take a close up picture for me so I can compare what is in mine, I think I am missing something.

What are the connectors that I see in the cab where you insert the wires like a molex plug?

Was not able to find a close-up picture, but i found this video instead!   (looks like it just rotates the "tube guard" and not the bulb)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QUbzy7BpZOM#t=118 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QUbzy7BpZOM#t=118)

what connectors are you talking about?  have a pic or location?

Mat


Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Corny on February 20, 2015, 03:54:12 pm
Ah there is a band around the wheel, that's the piece I was missing.

At this point I am not too concerned with the connectors, I will just use wire nuts.

With regards to the ballast, I have two separate ballasts, one for each lamp and they are magnetic so use the starters.  Would it be worth it to switch to an electric ballast and remove the starters?  Seems like a fair bit of work because I would have to re-wire to get rid of the starters and find a new place to mount the longer ballast.

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 21, 2015, 12:23:12 am
I did it and it was MUCH easier than i anticipated.   (granted it wasnt a 100C)  There were like twenty e-ballasts to choose from at home depot and most of them were meant for two bulbs.   So you should be able to lower the required amps and consolidate into one ballast.   MOST e-ballasts have the same mounting dimensions as they were meant to be replaceable and are fairly universal.   Just measure the distance between the two screws holding the ballast in, and then take that measurement into the store with you.

This guy did it and it turned out pretty well: http://www.biltronix.com/Rowe_CD100B_01.html (http://www.biltronix.com/Rowe_CD100B_01.html)

Based on the specs it looks like this e-ballast should work well:  http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-120-Volt-Electronic-Ballast-for-4-ft-2-Lamp-T12-Fixture-GE240RES120-DIYB/205410441 (http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-120-Volt-Electronic-Ballast-for-4-ft-2-Lamp-T12-Fixture-GE240RES120-DIYB/205410441)

Forget the wire nuts!   Get some butt connectors, you wont have to worry about them falling off and it wont look ghetto.



Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 21, 2015, 12:29:52 am
OK so as for my remaining issues:  (for my AMI/ROWE R92)

1) CD player just keeps playing once started and wont stop.   The CCC does not appear to be able to mute/stop the CD player (????) or maybe it does not recognize the song has stopped (??) Its one of those Pioneer units for home.
2) Light controller is mostly working, but will not "dance" to the music.   It flashes, but when "with music" selected, the bulbs just sit half dim.  Like its not getting input.
- replaced all diodes
- replace three main transistors
- replaced two transistors (MPS6515)
- verified resistors
- verified no "cold joints"
- verified it is getting signal
- Only thing i havnt checked are the IC Chips.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP!!!!

Mat
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Corny on February 23, 2015, 10:42:24 am
I keep having some intermittent issues with the cd player not putting the cds back correctly or sometimes choosing the wrong cd.

I have also noticed that there CCC Rowelink light is consistently blinking, very fast.

I looked at the manual and I read the section about adjusting the optical sensor but I am more of a visual person, is there a video out there about how to do it or somewhere with more instructions/pictures?

Thanks!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: frankie M on March 10, 2015, 04:39:09 pm
Hi ive recently bought a Rowe AMi R90. I used to work on them in the 80's. It was working but now nothing selects and i either get 37 or 39 fault. all connections are ok but i feel its the mech. control board not driving the arm stroke mech motor.

any help please

Farnkie M
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Bennythebulla on March 11, 2015, 05:19:22 pm
hello sir I had a question about a ami rowe mm4 jukebox the problem im having is I pic the a button an I get c selection the numbers are correct though is there an easy adjustment for me the box plays an sounds great
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 12, 2015, 06:43:54 am
Hi,

With all of the Rowe Ami jukeboxes (including the MM-4) with the 1100 mechanism you need to check the Search Unit to see that it is pushing out the correct pins.
In order to check this out I would remove the three bolts that hold the search unit to the mechanism, that way it will sit on the bottom of the mechanism and you can see all the pins it pushes out.

While you have the search unit off check that the timing mark on the stop plate assemble (00) is at the correct location when the A1 slot is under the gripper bow.

Do the above checks and get back to us.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: maroguy1 on March 13, 2015, 06:33:38 pm
I have a cd100 cd pro player.  I tried to get the box to play in my garage when it was around 20 degrees well it didn't work and the arm that picks up the cd didn't close.  It then came back too far and now the arm hit the player and stopped.  I tested the switcher underneath and they seem fine.  Thanks for any replys
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sticky69 on March 13, 2015, 08:59:43 pm
Alan,

    I just bought a used cd100f that works great.  I had to replace the motor that turns the disk display at the top and most of the bulbs, but it plays great.  One thing I can't seem to figure out though is the Autoplay option.  From the manual I think I'm enabling it properly, but there are some other options in the menu that I might need to work on that aren't explained in depth in the manual.  In fact, some are mentioned as existing without any explanation on how to configure them are what they actually do.  Do you know of a better instruction manual for this?  I searched in here for autoplay posts, but sisn't get much and nothing along the lines of what I'm looking for.  It's possible I'm doing it right and the thing is just screwed up.  Thanks.

Rick
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 18, 2015, 07:23:19 am
Hi Rick,

The manual is a two part manual and the installation setup & programming is in Volume 1 and is featured in section 2 Installation & Progamming, on page 2-25 is the progamming map, this is followed by many pages of explanations up to page 2-76. Section 4 in these pages covers autoplay starting on page 2-37, 2-38 & 2-39.
Autoplay is also featured in the Command Index on page 2-48 and 2-54.

It takes a while to get your head around the mindset.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: allz28 on March 22, 2015, 11:00:48 am
I hope I'm posting this in the right place and not interrupting someone else's conversation.  And please also forgive me since I don't really know Jukebox terminology yet, though I'm a pretty handy guy.

I have a 1963 AMI/Rowe Jukebox (it's either a JAL-200 or JEL-200, but I can't find a model tag) that's been in my family for 28 years.  It got passed down to me and I haven't heard it play in about 15 years!  From what I remember, the jukebox was working perfectly until one day when my mother was cleaning the light bulbs with the front of the case open . . . she closed it up and suddenly the jukebox stopped working.  Since then, it's just sat in a basement untouched until now.

When I turn the machine on, the turntable starts turning and just turn endlessly.  When you try to select a number, nothing happens.  If you try to scan, I hear it try to scan (like I hear a relay or something activate), but it won't scan.  I've posted this YouTube video in case my description is hard to understand:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2idzzvpPviY&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2idzzvpPviY&feature=youtu.be)

I'm ordering a manual for the machine today.  But I'd really appreciate any help to get me started on this repair.  Thanks so much!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: allz28 on March 22, 2015, 11:38:29 am
I just did a visual inspection of the machine and I found the following loose/frayed wires underneath the turntable (see attached picture).  There is a black and white wire that is connected to nothing.  And there is a green and white wire that appears frayed.  I have no idea if this is related to my problem or not, but figured I'd update the post.

Best,
Adam
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Fredro on March 22, 2015, 11:04:26 pm
Hi - New reader here. I am glad I located this forum. It looks like there's lots of really good information here. I am a member of ARF forum and have been working on my antique radios for about 10 years.

I bought my very 1st jukebox yesterday after decades of wanting one. It's a Rowe R-92 - 45 player. Looks to be in really good, clean condition. Of course the man in the store tells me "we just had it playing" when he couldn't make it play. I took that with a grain of salt and bought it anyway. I have one issue to start off with that I can't make go away. I keep getting error code 30. Occasionally I'll get error code 34  when it times out.

I have ordered my manual for it this morning and I will have to wait for it to arrive. I am being ultra cautious with everything because I don't want to throw any of the mechanics out of whack. I did some reading online and read that the optical sensor needed to be pulled and cleaned. I powered down and figured out how to do that. ....done. Now, I have the sensor back in place and I still get the error code - 30. Can someone tell me how to properly set this sensor? I don't know what LEDs on the mechanical board need to light (or not light) when it's in the proper position.

I feel like the sensor is working because the record carriage is homed at position 00 and I can get the optical switch home LED and the optical switch index LED to illuminate on and off by shifting the sensor with the thumb nut.

I visually checked the CCC and the mechanics circuit boards for any obvious problems and they appear ok at this early stage.

Thanks for any insight!  :notworthy:
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on March 23, 2015, 01:55:15 am
30 and 34 are optical switch errors.

Dirty, misadjusted, or defective optical switch.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: derf on March 24, 2015, 02:32:49 am
just an update to say there is no update, other than my continuing battle with balance and dizziness issues, now with earaches and tinnitus just for fun.  Can't drive.  Sux.  Been to 1 ENT and  2 neurologists, the second of which did extensive testing and came up with --I don't know.

I finally have the wiring diagrams for everything so I can theoretically intelligently troubleshoot.

Happy new year to all.

Don't know if you ban for inactivity so I thought I better post to be safe.  I definitely want to stick around here.

Update:  None on the juke (now that he has one channel playing), other than that, my dizziness situation continues with some improvement (will spare details)
I will eventually get over there and finish the juke diag, and be back here fore help

Derf
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 24, 2015, 07:28:36 am
Hello Adam & Fredro,

Welcome to the forum.

You both need to wait until you have bought your workshop manuals, read them from cover to cover several times so you can understand the terminology used in describing the parts and instructions for adjustment or in the case of the later jukeboxes the programming tree.

Adam you will need to check and clean all of the Search Unit open relay contacts, this is best done with a paper taper (just folded copy or writing paper) to hone clean the tips of contacts.
You will need to do the same on R1 & R5 under the plastic case on your keyboard/button bank. You will have to trace the wiring to see what and where those damaged cables go to.

Fredro.

When you have your manual you will see the error codes, some of these shut box the jukebox until the jukebox is powered off and then switched back on. You will need to clear the error codes, if these continue you will have to check and clean the opto switch and the gear that it passes over.
In the manual you will find instructions for manual and electroic adjustments of the home & index adjustments.

Please keep us all posted, can you both go into your forum profiles and put in the country you live in, this will help everyone direct you to where it is best to get support and spare parts.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: allz28 on March 24, 2015, 07:41:46 am
Thanks, Alan!  I'm looking forward to when my manual arrives and will keep you posted.  I think I've already updated my profile, but in case I did it wrong, I'm in Arkansas, USA.  I sure do appreciate the help!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 25, 2015, 06:30:56 am
Hi Adam,

No problem, these forums are intended to help like minded people who have a love for jukeboxes, I just prefer Rowe Ami, Ami or Bal Ami jukeboxes, I have worked on Rock Ola, Seeburg and NSM. I left Wurlitzer well alone be they American or German based.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: 1452spunky on March 25, 2015, 05:15:12 pm
Ami_man....

Ok, first, thanks for this forum and anyone that chooses to help others...I participate in many forums, but one that I am an expert in...this is NOT one of them...lol

Ok, it is a JAL Rowe AMI unit. Everything has been gone through and adjusted as per my manual...I can follow manuals and Maintenance fine.

Here is the issue, once the arm goes all the way across the record, I here the magnet switch connect, it does mute, but it doesn't kick in the relay to start back up. In other words, the needle just sits there in the groove.
I reached down and touched the relay that is below all this and with the slightest touch, continues the full process...I checked all the wires to the relay, even resoldered them. Not sure how to test this relay, if that is the issue...soooo, how would I test this relay ( yes I have a tester, but no expert at using it )? If its not the relay, where would I look next ? I have a wiring diagram book as well, again, it might as well be in Chinese...

I have this machine sold to a friend, but have now spent a few days trying to track down this last issue. I would even have no problem in paying someone to help my via phone and pay them thru paypal...

Please help and I appreciate it !!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 26, 2015, 05:45:11 am
Hello 1452spunky,

I would replace the plug in relay, or if it is a fixed open contact relay clean the contacts by using a paper taper to clean the tips of the contacts (DO NOT USE ANY KIND OF SPRAY).

If the relay on your Search Unit has a plug in relay rather than a wired in one, you could just try this one to see if it is the a faulty relay.


Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Josephs on March 26, 2015, 05:14:21 pm
Hi, Joseph here from The Netherlands, Europe and I’ve a CD-100 (plain) from 1990, it’s an original from Rowe US.
A lot of reading I did on several fora to find better things/upgrades for my Jukebox.

EDIT (removed not needed info)
I’ve problems with a new EPROM v4.3 I bought on ebay US. When Power ON: Board error red light and errors like 14-01, 14-04 and 14-05. I found what the errors are. Putted back my good-old v2.3, no red light and, strange errors and everything is working. The sender told me he had a bad chip batch, so he’ll send me a new one. I'll test it next week when it arrives.

For now, no questions. Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: partytime-excellent on March 27, 2015, 02:00:57 pm
Hi!

New jukebox owner, new to the site & looking forward to becoming an active member


I have a Rowe R-87 that has been sitting in a friend's garage for a few years in perfect working condition but collecting dust. I FINALLY convinced her to give it to me and  upon moving it the unit tipped over a bit and now I'm having some issues:

The tonearm lands on the record fine but only seems to make one full revolution before getting stuck and skipping in that specific spot. Even when I manually move the tonearm and drop it anywhere on the record, the same thing occurs. The tonearm doesn't seem to advance at all, though it does engage and drop on the vinyl when summoned and go back to it's resting spot once the selection is cancelled.

I did a fairly thorough visual inspection and everything seems to look good; nothing is loose, I cleaned up the dust and build up (which was nominal) with orange wood sticks. It seems fine to the naked eye.
I just ordered a manual online, so I don't have access to one yet.

Any thoughts/advice would be greatly appreciated- I am completely inexperienced with jukeboxes, though I am fairly handy with electronics and quite excited to learn this new trade
Thanks in advance!

Ardy
LA, CA
USA
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Fredro on March 28, 2015, 10:03:05 am
Hi again. This is more on the R-92 I have been working on. I received the manual I have been waiting on Thursday. I spent the day reading through it and then went on to try to correct the ERR30 issue I have been having.

By the book, I have completed the following:

1. Cleaned the gear teeth with denatured alcohol. There was some minor buildup but it's clean as a whistle now.
2. Cleaned the optical sensor.
3. Reinstalled and aligned the sensor. Using my fluke meter, I adjusted and set the optical switch index and the optical switch home settings exactly by the instructions.

All the voltages are right where the manual says to set them to. When I rotate the magazine by hand, I get the proper flashing of the LEDs on the mechanism control module. It reads the home position when at slot 99 and the index LED flashes when the magazine is rotated by hand. I have to feel that the sensor functions properly and the alignment/adjustment is correct at this point.

When I move the switch from service to normal, I get and immediate Err30 message and after about 30 seconds I get an Err34 message. The errors clear when I go into service mode and type in 699. One of my questions is this - Is there something mechanical that happens when placing the switch to the normal position? Is the magazine supposed to rotate? When I move the switch to the on position, I hear a click and the LEDs for the magazine motor and the detent illuminate.

This is where I am at now. I am wondering if the mechanical module board or the CCC board might have a problem(s). I checked both visually for broken solder joints, etc. The both visually appear OK.

The battery on the CCC reads 3.1 volts. I also forced an Err0 to restore all factory settings according to the manual instructions.

What should I look at addressing next?

Also - I've been doing more reading and troubleshooting. I find that when the magazine motor and detent are engaged and the LED's are lit, I have approx. 29 volts going to the magazine motor. Nothing happens. I ohmed the coil on the motor and I get approx. 1 ohm. Would it be safe to assume that the motor is bad and that this might be giving the Err30 fault? The book tells me that within 56 to 70 milliseconds the CCC tells the mechanical control board to energize the motor and detent.

Thanks again for any help
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 30, 2015, 06:23:48 am
Hello Fredro,

I would remove the sprag assembly (40721901) by removing the three fixing screws & washers.

Remove the cable to the motor and srag solenoid.

Test the motor by latching up a 28 volt AC supply, you could take this from the service switch or power supply, hold the sprag linkage so if the motor springs into life the sprag will allow it to turn.

Regarding the resistance I have just checked on a motor and your reading is about right.
When you are checking the motor on the bench you can see if the clutch on the motor is engaging.

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Fredro on March 30, 2015, 10:05:55 am
Hi Alan - I did what you said to do. I removed the assembly and disengaged the detent so the motor spins free by hand. Spins pretty freely by turning the sprag. I can see the motor armature spinning by hand. I applied the 28 volts (actually it comes up to 29volts here in my house). Nothing happens. Not even a hum of any sort. With the power going to the motor for a while, it's not even warm. Stone cold.

I have also just found that I have the 29 volts going to the motor all the time regardless of whether the board's magazine motor LED is lit up or not.

The detent solenoid switches on and off properly with the detent LED when I press the scan and cancel switch.

So, apparently, there is a breakdown in the motor although the windings seem good and something is letting the voltage through the mechanical circuit board to the motor even when it's supposed to be off.

Thanks for the correspondence.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 31, 2015, 05:53:37 am
Hello Fredro,

Did you connect the motor from the mechanism control board or from another location as I suggested?

Do you have access to spare parts in your country? if not I can supply you with a good used motor or new old stock. I supply worldwide.

If you require the above please email me.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
alan-hood@datex.co,uk
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Fredro on March 31, 2015, 07:28:05 am
Hi Alan - Actually, Since the 29 volts existed on the wires for the magazine motor, I tested it using those. But if you think I need to find another power source to test it on, I will. I'll get in the manual and track down a separate 28 volt supply coming from the power supply. I'm carrying the unit to work today to have our electrical technician give me his opinion on it. This is the type of stuff he bench tests everyday.

One question though - Taped under the wrapping tape to the side of the windings there is a very small (about 1/4 inch by 3/4 inch by 3/16ths inch) little metal and red plastic box that is wired into the start of the windings on one incoming leg. I thought this might be some sort of thermal overload or maybe even a starting capacitor. I get the 29 volts on both the in leg and the out leg on this little box.  Any ideas what this may be?

Thanks for the offer for the spare parts purchase. I will definitely keep you in mind. I am thinking of trying to get up a small parts inventory to keep for this player. I looked on Ebay here in the U.S. and found a used (tested good) motor/sprag/solenoid unit so I went anhead and sent for it.  It's good to know I can rely on someone to help with spare parts.

Thanks!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 01, 2015, 07:15:02 am
Hello Fredro,

On the earlier motors such as the Search Unit drive motor it was a thermal cut out.
Personnally I have never had to replace one of these motors in over 30 years, I have supplied them to customers. but I have never had to remove the tape but my guess would be a thermal cutn out. If this is the case then link it out for a test on the motor.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Fredro on April 03, 2015, 01:50:41 pm
Hi again, Alan - I finally got free from work for the weekend and I was able to get back to this.

You were absolutely right. The magazine motor does work. I located the 28 volts coming from the main power supply and hooked it up. It runs good and strong. So, evidently that's not the issue.

 While I was at it, I checked the function of the tone-arm cancel switch. It appears to be working well (open when the arm is at the rest position or on the surface of the record and then it closes at the end of a record). That may not have anything to do with the issues but I just thought I would throw that in.

I am not opposed to sending the CCC and mechanism control boards out for replacement or troubleshooting. At least then, I would be able to get the uncertainty on these components out of my head.  Any suggestions on this? Is there any other steps I can scope out here at home?

Thanks - Fredro (D.L. Weaver - Crescent City, Florida, USA)  8)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: pottersclay75 on April 06, 2015, 09:23:03 am
My Rowe R-88 is having a transfer issue.  When a selection is made, the arm grabs the single just fine and places it on the turntable.  The single plays fine, but when the arm comes back down, it doesn't pull in to grab the single. It goes back up empty (and there's a click sound on the way).  If another selection is made, it will grab the next one and place it on top of the one it previously left.

I have watched it over and over, but I just can see what it going on. 

So why would it not be picking up the single from the turntable?

U.S.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: allz28 on April 09, 2015, 01:12:10 pm
I hope I'm posting this in the right place and not interrupting someone else's conversation.  And please also forgive me since I don't really know Jukebox terminology yet, though I'm a pretty handy guy.

I have a 1963 AMI/Rowe Jukebox (it's either a JAL-200 or JEL-200, but I can't find a model tag) that's been in my family for 28 years.  It got passed down to me and I haven't heard it play in about 15 years!  From what I remember, the jukebox was working perfectly until one day when my mother was cleaning the light bulbs with the front of the case open . . . she closed it up and suddenly the jukebox stopped working.  Since then, it's just sat in a basement untouched until now.

When I turn the machine on, the turntable starts turning and just turn endlessly.  When you try to select a number, nothing happens.  If you try to scan, I hear it try to scan (like I hear a relay or something activate), but it won't scan.  I've posted this YouTube video in case my description is hard to understand:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2idzzvpPviY&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2idzzvpPviY&feature=youtu.be)

I'm ordering a manual for the machine today.  But I'd really appreciate any help to get me started on this repair.  Thanks so much!

Hi Alan,  I've now had the chance to go through my manual several times and clean the relay contacts with paper as you suggested.  This didn't improve my symptoms. 

Upon closer inspection, the green/white frayed wires I mentioned appear to be soldered back together so I assume this is an older repair.  Unfortunately, the black/white wire that I mentioned that is not connected to anything has been difficult to trace.  As  of right now, all I can tell is that it goes into the main harness and then I lose track of it from there.  The wiring diagrams in my manual are particularly difficult to read because instead of referring to Blue as BL and Black as BK (like most automotive schematics I've seen) it uses B and BL and there is no key to say which refers to blue or black.

Anyway, the good news is I found a blown 3.2 amp Fustat Fuse in my junction box, which I'm hoping may cause the symptoms I'm seeing.  I plan to order a new one today, but should I be concerned about why it blew in the first place?

Thanks again for your knowledge and help!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: allz28 on April 13, 2015, 09:54:59 pm
Hello again!  The Fustat Fuse corrected my initial symptoms!!!!  But I'm not out of the woods yet.  My jukebox will now select a record and attempt to play it, but once the record starts playing, the tonearm does not advance and it plays the same thing each revolution.  It does this on any record selected.  The sound is also poor, but I'll try to tackle that issue once I get this thing playing records correctly. 

At first I thought that the set-down position needed adjusting, but this did not correct the problem.  In fact, the record repeats no matter where I place the tonearm in the track.  Then I thought stylus pressure may be too light, but this also did not correct the problem.  I have no way to measure grams and set the pressure precisely, but the record repeats even when I move the counterweight all the way in.

What should I look into next?  Thank you so much!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on April 13, 2015, 10:59:29 pm
check the needle, you may have to flip it around (if it's the flipping type) or replace it. it sounds like it's not tracking properly. try taping a penny or dime to the play head and see if it will track, if it does, you may have to adjust the weight because maybe the play head has been changed and is too light compared to the original..... run-on sentence also i'm going to bed kthxbi
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: allz28 on April 14, 2015, 09:27:55 am
Thanks, lilshawn.  I tried the penny trick with no improvement.  I'll look into getting a new needle.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Fredro on April 14, 2015, 10:10:56 am
I'm also having trouble with my needle/cartridge. While I am waiting for my circuit boards to come back, I have been looking at my needle/cartridge position. I am not happy with the way the cartridge is angled. To me it should have a slight downward angle so the needle point is the only part touching the record. My needle/cartridge doesn't have any angle to it at all and the back end of the cartridge drags slightly on the record as well. I can't believe this is supposed to be this way. My needle force is just about perfect too - 6.5 or so grams. I can't figure out if there is any sort of adjustment to correct this.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on April 14, 2015, 11:18:11 am
perhaps your arm is bent. something could have fallen on it in the past. depending on it's design, it should be perfectly straight or have a slight upwards bow to it. if it's bowed down, it's bent. aluminum doesn't take lightly to being bent, then bent back... it tends to snap. i wouldn't try bending it back if at all possible.

check your cartridge to see if it's loose, perhaps it's not sitting in straight. Again, depending on it's design... (they basically made these with whatever parts they could source I think) it may screw in and have become loose pushing the back end of the cart down with the dragging force of the record. or there may even be a wire under the cartridge causing it to sit funny.

also check to make sure you have the correct stylus...if the stylus is normally long, placing a shorter needle can cause the cartridge to drag. universal cartridges are normally a little longer to work with a wide variety of tone arm angles.

also, your needle may be worn down or missing part of it's tip (again depending on design) causing the cart to sit low.
basically, take it apart and make sure everything looks good and put it back together.

On models with the flippy type stylus, often one needle is made for 45's and the other is made for 78's (universal type) make sure you are using the correct "Side" for your records.

could be 100 different things...but check it out, you'll see something not quite right.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: JVader on April 16, 2015, 03:23:19 pm
Hey guys, im currently working on an r-81 project in Canada. I had the amp sent off and rebuild and am now able to get sound through the speakers when I hook up my phone through some RCA cables directly to the amp.. The problem im having is very little sound while playing a record, I have a new stanton 500 cartridge and everything re soldered on the tone arm connection but am still unable to get any volume through the record player... Any suggestions where to start looking?

Thanks,
Jeff
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Adjuvant on April 16, 2015, 10:06:28 pm
Hi all.  I just purchased an AMI / Rowe R-85 Starlight Jukebox and have a quick question.  I need to drive an hour to go pick it up this weekend and am wondering whether there will be any problem with laying it flat in the back of my SUV. I'd prefer not to have to rent a moving truck, but if it's imperative that it stay upright during transport, I will.

Thanks in advance and you will likely be hearing from me more in the future as I believe it's going to need some work. I love a project!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Fredro on April 17, 2015, 01:07:00 am
I really don't think I would chance lying it down. No telling what could come loose inside the cabinet. Do you know anyone with a pickup truck?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Fredro on April 17, 2015, 02:00:53 am
Well, I am so pleased with myself. My Rowe R-92 is working. My replacement circuit boards and power supply came in today. I wanted so bad to stay home from work and play with it all. I went to work and I put it all in and powered it up. I was so relieved that it actually started working and there's no error codes like I had before. I didn't even have to adjust the optical switches or anything.

There's still a couple two or three bugs to work out but at least it's working. Sounds decent too.    ;D
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: allz28 on April 17, 2015, 09:23:19 am
Good for you, Fredro.  That's awesome.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Joe1966 on April 20, 2015, 05:00:57 pm
Hi

I wonder if you can help.
I have a ami Rowe juke box with the wall box. Around 1965.
Recently when I use it, it allows the first selection but I have to use the scan/ on/ off switch to reset it, the box then clicks and a second selection can be made 

I had a man in who seems to have made it worse. The selection buttons fail to pop out now and stay depressed. A second selection cannot be made.

Is it ruined now?  Can it be repaired and can you recommend anyone in the East Midlands.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 23, 2015, 09:28:41 am
Hello Fredro,

The cartridge weight need to no more than 3.5 grames.

I am glad to hear that you have got your parts back and it is working.

Regards
Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 23, 2015, 09:44:45 am
Hello Adjuvant,

It is better if you can move the jukebox upright, but if you follow the standard tasks in prpairing a jukebox for transportation it should be ok. If the jukebox was a Seeburg then it would be upright or nothing.

You need to lock down the mechanism down to the base of the jukebox with the transit bolts.

Every board should have its fixing screws tightened down to prevent them coming adrift in transit.

The amplifier should have screws put into the cabinet near to the lift handle to prevent it coming off of its mountings.

The screws holding down the output package should be checked for tightness

If the jukebox is the Starlight the sount to light unit fixings must also be checked.

Remove all the records (if included) out of the mechanism.

Remove the Coin Mechanism and its bracket (this can be put into the cash bag) or just taped in place with gaffer tape.

Remove the turntable  or again tape down.

Use an elastic band to hold down the tone arm in place.

Use tape to hold the title rack in place.

Remove the mains plug and push the cable into the jukebox to pevent damage to the cable.

Tape over the door to prevent it springing open during transit.

On the journeys end remove all of the above before switching on the jukebox.

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 23, 2015, 09:50:01 am
Hello Joe1966,

Welcome to the forum.

That sounds as if you have problems with the two open relays in the keyboard (R1 & R5) the open/closed contacts need cleaning with a paper taper, you may also have to do the same on S1 & S2 relays on the Search Unit.

If you get into difficulty please get in touch.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
Sheffield
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Fredro on April 23, 2015, 11:01:55 am
Right on the grams, Alan. I found that out last week. Already corrected. Problem solved.  ;D
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: allz28 on April 23, 2015, 04:14:08 pm
I got the new stylus today and actually got to hear a record play!  One record.  Then somehow I ruined my new needle.   :hissy:   I don't know exactly how i did it, and I don't really remember being rough with it, but I must have did it when I was making a couple fine tuning adjustments to my tonearm . . . doh! 

But anyway, I'm glad that took care of that problem and another one is ordered!  Thanks lilshawn!  In the meantime, I noticed that not all of my speakers are working.  In looking at my stereo control amplifier, I noticed I'm missing two 12AU7/ECC82 tubes.  I'm getting ready to buy them, but there's SOOOooooooo many choices and different brands.  Some as cheap as $10 and some as expensive as $70.  What's the difference and what should I look for when buying tubes.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 24, 2015, 06:46:00 am
Hello Allz28,

If you have some speakers working and some not, it will be a connection issue. In some cases dependant on which Pre Amplifier is used it may have been modded so that all the original valves may not be needed.

Check all the cable colours to the output transformers (all of the E1 E2 etc) are as per your manual. also check that your crossovers are not shorted out and are connected correctly.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Adjuvant on April 24, 2015, 10:06:13 am
Alan, thanks for the recommendations on moving the jukebox. Unfortunately your post comes 5 days after I already moved it, but should hopefully help the next person with that question.  I did end up moving it upright and, unfortunately, in the rain.  It was covered in a tarp and then wrapped in mover's shrink plastic wrap, so only the bottom seems to have gotten slightly damp.  I'm lucky that it seems to have survived the trip well despite this, but I'm sorry I didn't have your advice earlier. 

A couple of questions as I'm nursing it back to health:
1) I have several bulbs burned out in the front, which I'm in the process of replacing, but the lights are not moving even when music is playing.  Comparing my light control module to the diagram in the module, I seem to be missing a control switch (in addition to the general filthiness that I'll be attending to this weekend).  I'm including a picture below.  Can you tell if there is supposed to be a switch to set Off/Flash/On and, if so, what the replacement should be?  I can't see that the manual lists a part number for the switch.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/v453xy.jpg)

2) The volume on the back is very touchy.  Sometimes small movements cause big changes in the volume and other times I have to crank it several degrees before there's any change.  Do you think replacing the volume pot be the most likely solution?

Thanks,
- A 

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Joe1966 on April 25, 2015, 04:46:32 am
Thanks, I will give it a try this weekend
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 28, 2015, 06:28:18 am
Hello Adjuvant,

The part number for the switch is 3-04290-01

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: BGun on April 28, 2015, 12:55:56 pm
This Rowe Ami Venus with CD-100F had stopped playing tracks completely through, pausing and unpausing intermittently.

I contacted Mr. Wentworth of New Hampshire, and he was of a mind that the mech control has been modified. It is a 61086201 with attached Combo-4 rev.1.0 board. He told me he couldn't help me if it's a mech control issue.

As he recommended, I checked the power supply voltages, and they seem fine. I tried disconnecting the bill feeder with no result.

I am very interested in replacing the CD mechanism with an MP3 player from cdadapter.com, but I'm afraid that this won't fix the pausing problem.

This is in Minneapolis, MN. Any aid is greatly appreciated.


Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Adjuvant on April 29, 2015, 05:02:14 pm
Well, I stepped in it.  I managed to break one of the wires leading into the molex plug from the optical switch to the mechanism control board while trying to clean it.  I think it was probably in poor shape to begin with since before this I was having trouble with the played record getting out of sync with the selections, i.e. the first 2 -3 plays were of the selections I had made, whereas subsequent plays would start being one to two positions off (for example it would play selection 164 when I had chosen 162).  Turning the jukebox off and on again and allowing the magazine to cycle would get the selection / played record sync back on again for a few plays before it would start drifting agin.

In any case, the white wire from the optical switch tore right at the end of the terminal.  I got the terminal out of the plug, but I can't undo the crimping so that I can replace the wire.  My preference would be to just get a new terminal and crimp the wire into it, but I have been searching in vain for the terminal online (on sites like this: http://www.mouser.com/Connectors/Pin-Socket-Connectors/_/N-ay0mm/ (http://www.mouser.com/Connectors/Pin-Socket-Connectors/_/N-ay0mm/) and http://www.newark.com/plug-socket-connector-contacts (http://www.newark.com/plug-socket-connector-contacts)).  For the past two days I've been going cross-eyed trying to match my tiny terminal to the pictures on these sites and have not found it.  This is the closest I've found to a similar-looking terminal, but it's not a perfect match: http://www.newark.com/te-connectivity-amp/3-640707-1/contact-receptacle-24-18awg-crimp/dp/52K3550 (http://www.newark.com/te-connectivity-amp/3-640707-1/contact-receptacle-24-18awg-crimp/dp/52K3550)

Can anyone either perhaps tell me what an equivalent part number for terminal socket is and where I might be able to find it?

I'm prepared to just solder the wire to this terminal, but I'd prefer to just replace the terminal if possible.  I just need to know where to find it.

Here are some crummy iPhone pictures of the terminal:
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2j3fb7b.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2629thv.jpg)
(http://i62.tinypic.com/1z383l0.jpg)

Thanks,
-A
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 30, 2015, 05:13:55 am
Hi Adjuvant,

the crimp in the link looks about right to me, it is good to get a few spares for your jukebox, in time you will need some if any are corroded.

In the meantime using a craft knife or small long nose pliers fold out the lugs that were crimped over the insulation of the cable, remove any wire or insulation in here. Strip the end of the effected wire to the opto switch and place in the two lugs you have created (it is best that you clean this area ready for soldering) now using the small pliers fold over the two lugs onto the striped wire to hold it in place and solder it. Make sure there are no blobs of solder on the connection or you will not be able to reincert it into the plug. Make sure that you have reset the pawl that hold the connection in place.

scan to location 99 and check your opto switch adjustment as per your manual.

Regards
Alan.

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sim_v on May 08, 2015, 04:52:37 pm
Hi,

I've have a lot of trouble with a 'new' CD51 I'll bought. It's a 220v model but voltage is transformed into 120v inside the Juke Box. I'm french.
CCC version is 2.4, it's a old firmware.

In a first time I've got good sound but with some problem :
- All sound come from left
- Volume variation, bizarre control with remote control
- No fade out when I cancel track. Volume goes up loud and quickly !

I suspected remote control being bad connected or have a erratic behavior. 

Suddenly sound become very  low, saturated, noisy on left loudspeaker and nothing to right. Exactly like a mp3 with full volume (satured) in a headphone. no bass. no more Cap sound (thump) from loudspeaker at  power up and down.

I disconnected volume control from IR controller and restore old rear unique volume bouton. I discover by the way that STEREO jumper was badly inserted. Now both speakers give the same noisy output... that a bad thing.

I check preampl + amplifier : all fuse are good, I resoldered line input connector. I resoldered all IR controller connector too. Since this, I've final got a real fade out of sound when I disconnect volume control or reject a song.

The crossover filter (sub, mid, hi frequencies) have a bad capacitor on a side but I good same noisy sound direcly on a full range speaker without filter. I will change it later.

I tested CD PLAYER to a external amplifier and get good sound.

So problem come from preampl or amplifier.... but behaps a bad connexion....

I'm don't know how to fix that noisy sound....

Thank a lot if you can help me !

20 Mpix digital photos can be downloaded here : http://ovh.to/ftGNUQf (http://ovh.to/ftGNUQf) (30 days publishing).
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on May 08, 2015, 06:23:46 pm
I'm not sure but the old firmware might be the issue. i know you have to have over a certain version for the IR to operate properly. maybe this is part of your issue. I'll try and find out what version.

in the mean time... for your volume...

on the amp is a switch for the AVC, if it's set to off, try setting it to on. If it's on, try turning it off.

this is the automatic volume control. it will detect a loud burst in the music and automatically turn it down. it will also make quiet sounds and passages louder. sometimes it can make the music sound weird. (going up and down and up and down)


try the other position and see if it's sound is prefered or better.

some volume control units behave odd. if you attach the manual volume control from the back of the machine instead of the remote, does it sound okay or does it do the same?

also check the terminal strip where the volume connects to. it has a jumper for mono and stereo volume connections/positions. be sure everything is tight. a loose jumper can cause weird things.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sim_v on May 08, 2015, 08:28:55 pm
Thanks a lot !

Yes, I use the rear manual volume control with same problem than remote (distortion)

I've just try AVC which give a bit more volume but I've alway hear a very "saturated" low sound (like a LP without amplification and PHONO adaptation ; no bass).
I've checked power for amplifier and got +39V and -39V in input for each amplifier.

On the amplifier, I found that they have no relay to disconnect speakers during power up and down. At the beginning I tested the unit, I noticed the typical thump of capacitor loading (power up) and bump-bump-bump-bump when I cut main power (capacitor unload).
Since distorted sound, I have no more thump in speaker... can be amplifier devices burned without fuse blow ? 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on May 09, 2015, 12:11:49 am
can be amplifier devices burned without fuse blow ? 


it's possible if the driver transistors (attached to big heatsink) have failed open.

if transistors are blown, sound is still produced, but is crackly and distorted like torn speaker cone or gravel sound.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 09, 2015, 03:01:23 am
Hello Simon,

Welcome to the forum.

I would forget about the wireless remote and just stick to a wired remote. to rule out wiring issues on the jukebox make up a test volume control using a single 10k log control wired up to a five pin molex plug (you can always use the one that goes into the amp for a test)

On the plug link a cable from pin 1 to pin 5 and take this to one side of the 10k log pot, put a cable into pin 3 (if using the original plug move pin 4 to pin 3) take this cable to the wiper on the 10k pot.

If this does not control your amplifier or if it still does not sound correct then there is an issue on the amplifier (I noted that your connections are correct on the output package the Pink and Violet are connected to E6 left and right for maximum output)

If you can not repair the amplifier yourself I am only in the UK so you could send it to me for testing/repair.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sim_v on May 09, 2015, 03:23:50 am
Thanks a lot, I just make some pictures of amplifier cards and devices....
I will try make test submited by ami-man. I note the proposition of fix in UK (I'm afraid of ship costs)...
I ruined a capacitor this night with my multimeter (it's a surge ?) - see the last picture.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sim_v on May 09, 2015, 06:56:03 pm
I've tested transistors (notice that I'm not specialist but I learn...) from disconnected connectors of power amplifier cards.

Canal 1
2N6284 (NPN) BC=0.626V BE=0V CE=0V EC=0V (positive prob on first letter, negative prob on second, multimeter with diode tester)
2N6287G (PNP) BC=0.660V BE=0.641V CE=0V EC=0.495V (negative on first letter, positive on second, multimeter with diode tester)

Canal 2
2N6284 (NPN) BC=0.599V BE=0V CE=0V EC=0V (positive on first letter, negative on second, multimeter with diode tester)
2N6287G (PNP) BC=0.625V BE=0.644V CE=0V EC=0.495V (negative on first letter, positive on second, multimeter with diode tester)

I think that it's not good for the two 2n6284 ?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on May 10, 2015, 02:50:03 am
the transistors are what are known as "Darlington pair" it essentially has 2 transistors in series inside the package.

this (along with the other parts built into the transistor) make it very difficult to test...where even with a proper "transistor checker" it can read as OK when in fact it is not, because the electricity used in testing the transistor can go through multiple paths through the device.

i believe at this time you are maybe not looking in the correct direction. maybe can you post a video on youtube of how it sounds. having blown out transistors has a very specific sound.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sim_v on May 10, 2015, 03:47:18 am
Oh I was so glad to my transitors check....

I just make this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gyzIAIJmRk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gyzIAIJmRk)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Adjuvant on May 10, 2015, 11:29:39 am
Quick question about the record magazine on the R-85.  It has recently started making a lot more noise during rotation. It's a scraping / squeaking sound.  It seems like it should be amenable to a drop or two of oil somewhere.  The Manual discusses where to oil the turntable, but makes no mention of the record magazine.  Any guidance from experience on where I can or can't oil the magazine so I don't ruin anything?

Thanks,
- A
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 11, 2015, 08:47:01 am
Hello Adjuvant,

Forget any oil, try and find out what is making the noise and then rectify the problem correctly.

Possible noises can be from a worn spragwheel (teeth worn through caused by uneven record loading) stem bushing rotted by someone oiling the mechanism. Sprag linkage not adjusted correctly  and the linkage is catching on the linkage. It does not effect the gripper bow as much on the R-84 mechanism upwards but on the 1100 & 1200 mechanism there was a plastic strip on the guide & belt assembly that if broken would allow the the gripper bow to drop, the result was that when the mechanism turned the gripper bow would clip all of the records.
There is a plastic piece on the R-84 mechanism but there is  metal behind it so this should not happen.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sim_v on May 11, 2015, 07:01:52 pm
I just make this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gyzIAIJmRk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gyzIAIJmRk)

I made the troubleshoot test from the manual (short all pins of volume control, press finger in pin 1 or 3 in PHONO pins and test line output and speaker output), I receive strange results even without pressing my finger...
so I made this first test : remove preamp PCB and inject a line input on amplifier card without success (some scratch in speakers; no sound).
I made a second test : extract line output from preamp (after mute, equalizer, volume control, etc) and send it to a external amplifier .... good sound !

So we can conclude to a power amp failure ?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: allz28 on May 11, 2015, 09:49:11 pm
Let me start by giving everyone on here a big THANK YOU as I now have a running jukebox!  Now I just need to continue working so that it'll eventually run perfect.

Alan, thank you for your advice about my speakers that aren't working.  Using it, I was able to get my low frequency speaker working again (though it's not as loud as I was expecting).  However, my high frequency speaker is still not working and the wiring all looks good.  I performed an ohms test on it and it showed 0 ohms, so am I safe to assume that the speaker is bad?  Or is this test not valid with old speakers like this?

I'm also having a problem where the Jukebox only wants to play the B side of records.  I performed the adjustments as per my manual to the toggle shifter/plunger and this improved the problem so that it will now sometimes play the A side of records, but not always.  It seems like the plunger just doesn't always have enough power to pull the toggle link event though it moves easily by hand.  Is there a way to lubricate it?  Or is there something I should be replacing?  Any advice would be great.

Thanks again!

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on May 12, 2015, 12:30:07 am
Oh I was so glad to my transitors check....

I just make this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gyzIAIJmRk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gyzIAIJmRk)

in your video it appears the wire connector that plugs onto the "volume" pins on the amp (middle bottom... has 2 white and a purple wire) is on upside down. the connector should be turned and plugged on so the purple is closest to the rear. this could explain some of your sound issues.

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sim_v on May 12, 2015, 01:26:20 am
Hi lilshawn,

Yes, I return regulary this connector. I use a single volume controle (2 wires) expanded to 3 (to connect on preampl). 
It's can't be a issue because ...
Volume connector is 12345 (first is on front/left on the connector)
1 : Left volume
2 : Left auto gain volume
3 : common
4 : Right auto gain volume
5 : Right volume

I've try both position without any difference.

And I never know where is LEFT on the 3 wires. With your message Purple is right ?

With my latest tests (previous page), I got a clean line output from preampl so the problem is on the amplifier card and/or transitors on heat sink.


Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 12, 2015, 08:48:26 am
Let me start by giving everyone on here a big THANK YOU as I now have a running jukebox!  Now I just need to continue working so that it'll eventually run perfect.

Alan, thank you for your advice about my speakers that aren't working.  Using it, I was able to get my low frequency speaker working again (though it's not as loud as I was expecting).  However, my high frequency speaker is still not working and the wiring all looks good.  I performed an ohms test on it and it showed 0 ohms, so am I safe to assume that the speaker is bad?  Or is this test not valid with old speakers like this?

I'm also having a problem where the Jukebox only wants to play the B side of records.  I performed the adjustments as per my manual to the toggle shifter/plunger and this improved the problem so that it will now sometimes play the A side of records, but not always.  It seems like the plunger just doesn't always have enough power to pull the toggle link event though it moves easily by hand.  Is there a way to lubricate it?  Or is there something I should be replacing?  Any advice would be great.

Thanks again!


You can use a small battery to check if aspeaker is working, I usually use a 2.4 volt cell or a 1.2 cell (bassically anything I have on the bench) if you see and hear that the cone moves the speaker is alright.

Most of the Ami jukeboxes tend to have the bass across the two channels and the mid & high range speakers go on the left & right channels.

If the bass is low you may have lost a channel, you need to check that there is output from both sides of the amplifier.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on May 12, 2015, 12:24:01 pm
Oops, my mistake. The connector orientation is correct in the photo. I just double checked on a jukebox in the shop. It should have the purple as shown on the picture NOT reversed as I commented.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sim_v on May 13, 2015, 03:04:47 am
I suspect counterfeit transistors ( 2n6287G )




Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Adjuvant on May 13, 2015, 09:28:46 am
Quote
Forget any oil, try and find out what is making the noise and then rectify the problem correctly.

Possible noises can be from a worn spragwheel (teeth worn through caused by uneven record loading) stem bushing rotted by someone oiling the mechanism. Sprag linkage not adjusted correctly  and the linkage is catching on the linkage. It does not effect the gripper bow as much on the R-84 mechanism upwards but on the 1100 & 1200 mechanism there was a plastic strip on the guide & belt assembly that if broken would allow the the gripper bow to drop, the result was that when the mechanism turned the gripper bow would clip all of the records.
There is a plastic piece on the R-84 mechanism but there is  metal behind it so this should not happen.

I pulled all the records out of the magazine and I still get the squeak when the motor is running.  I got the best look I could without pulling the turntable / magazine assembly out of the jukebox and I can't see that the spragwheel or gripper bow are catching on anything.  When I manually disengage the lock on the spragwheel and turn the magazine by hand, I don't seem to get the sound.  It's only when the motor is turning the magazine.  I'm going to try to pull the whole assembly out this weekend to get a closer look, but I wonder if it isn't the motor.  Perhaps the bearings are grimy?  Have you ever tried teflon lubricant on a motor (something like this: http://amzn.com/B00BCVXUR6 (http://amzn.com/B00BCVXUR6) )?  I'll try to get a closer look at the stem brushing at that time as well. If that's rotten, what would be a reasonable remedy? Can just the stem brushing be replaced?

Thanks,
- A
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Nick909 on May 13, 2015, 06:01:44 pm
Hello!
I've just bought my first Jukebox - A TI-2. Trying to resurrect slowly! Steep learning curve to say the least.
Carousel rotates constantly in the 'on' position. I was able to get the keyboard to latch in a letter number selection, which triggered the search unit wipers to rotate endlessly - no pins are activated.
(If I manually depress any pins - the machine will then engage, select and play a record.)
Now, I've jumped in and tried to clean the S1 and S2 contacts with a piece of paper (folded over a few times, how I interpreted 'taper' - I worry i've put in something to thick to clean away in there...)
The result is now that none of the keys latch anymore - and the search unit no longer rotates the wipers, so have slipped backwards not forwards - oops.

My question is - does anyone have a picture, or could anyone describe how these flexible switch contacts are supposed to be positioned - as I'm worried I've bent something out of position.
Have looked in my manual and can't find anything (and am struggling with the schematics tbh.)
Any other pearls of wisdom to help me get this magestic beast back and singing greatfully received.

(I'm in Kent, UK btw.)

many thanks,
Nick.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on May 13, 2015, 09:42:32 pm
check between the keypad and the selector unit. you might have a broken wire. This is especially common with units where the keypad is attached to the door that opens and closes. also check your selector contacts, you could have some corrosion on them. pull the power and hit them with a scotch-bright pad. avoid steel wool, as threads of metal can be pulled off and short out the mechanism.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 14, 2015, 06:46:11 am
Hello Adjuvant,

Yes you can just replace the stem bushing. I have known that there can be wear/play on those motor gears, I swapped out a motor recently for a customer.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 14, 2015, 06:56:59 am
Hello!
I've just bought my first Jukebox - A TI-2. Trying to resurrect slowly! Steep learning curve to say the least.
Carousel rotates constantly in the 'on' position. I was able to get the keyboard to latch in a letter number selection, which triggered the search unit wipers to rotate endlessly - no pins are activated.
(If I manually depress any pins - the machine will then engage, select and play a record.)
Now, I've jumped in and tried to clean the S1 and S2 contacts with a piece of paper (folded over a few times, how I interpreted 'taper' - I worry i've put in something to thick to clean away in there...)
The result is now that none of the keys latch anymore - and the search unit no longer rotates the wipers, so have slipped backwards not forwards - oops.

My question is - does anyone have a picture, or could anyone describe how these flexible switch contacts are supposed to be positioned - as I'm worried I've bent something out of position.
Have looked in my manual and can't find anything (and am struggling with the schematics tbh.)
Any other pearls of wisdom to help me get this magestic beast back and singing greatfully received.

(I'm in Kent, UK btw.)

many thanks,
Nick.

Hi Nick,

Welcome to the forum.

So what open relays have cleaned on the jukebox?
If you have have search the pages on the forum you will have seen that I have suggested many times in the past which relays to clean on the Search Unit (S1 & S2) and under the plastic cover on the Keyboard (R1 & R5) use of a taper is ideal, you hold the contact together by opening or closing the relay by hand and pull the taper between the contacts (this hones the contact surface) you need to check that the contacts have pressure on them when opening and closing.

If you need help with advice, spare parts, repairs or servicing please contact me direct.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood (ami-man)
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Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: allz28 on May 14, 2015, 03:44:34 pm
Update:  I have fixed the problem where my jukebox would only play the B side of records.  I took the Toggle Shifter and Plunger apart and cleaned it really good and that fixed it. 

I also determined that my high frequency speaker is bad using the battery test.  So now my question is whether it is repairable (if so, how?) or where I can buy a replacement speaker.  I've performed some Internet searches with no luck. It's a Jensen Loudspeaker 4x6 elliptical, wide-dispersion cone type.  Manual says 1.47 ounce Alnico V magnet.  Frequency range of 400 cps to 15,000 cps. 

Thanks again!  We're making solid progress!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Nick909 on May 15, 2015, 06:57:29 am
Thanks for your replies.

So - I've been through and cleaned the switches in the seach unit, and up by the keyboard, and have cleaned and reseated the edge connectors on the search unit, and cleaned the tracks with a pencil rubber.
I can now get the keys to latch in (Have tested all letter/number combinations - all OK) - but the search unit just rotates round and round, no pins are pushed out - and it doesn't stop.
If I turn the control centre to 'OFF' the keyboard ejects the chosen letter/number combination - have seen both relays working.

Also - when the control centre is set to 'ON' the record magazine/carousel just rotates endlessly too...

(If I manually push a pin in a record is chosen and plays perfectly - so nearly there!!)

Any advice as to where I should investigate next?

Really appreciate your input - and hope it may be of use to anyone else with simliar problems.

All the best,
Nick.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: allz28 on May 17, 2015, 04:46:45 pm
Update:  I have fixed the problem where my jukebox would only play the B side of records.  I took the Toggle Shifter and Plunger apart and cleaned it really good and that fixed it. 

I also determined that my high frequency speaker is bad using the battery test.  So now my question is whether it is repairable (if so, how?) or where I can buy a replacement speaker.  I've performed some Internet searches with no luck. It's a Jensen Loudspeaker 4x6 elliptical, wide-dispersion cone type.  Manual says 1.47 ounce Alnico V magnet.  Frequency range of 400 cps to 15,000 cps. 

Thanks again!  We're making solid progress!

After talking with a buddy who knows a lot more about audio equipment than me, I'm thinking the capacitor is probably dried out and all I'll need to do is replace it.  I'll let you know how that goes.
 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: mubo101 on May 19, 2015, 10:12:51 pm
Hey everyone trying to get jukebox back in working condition, new to this.

I have a Bandstand jukebox and the only problem I am having is that the arm the needle is interfering with the record being put down on the tray. It seems like a timing issue where the needle arm is going out prematurely. How could I address this?

Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 20, 2015, 06:10:06 am
Hello Mumbo101,

Welcome to the forum, sorry you did not leave your name.

The 1966 Rowe Ami Bandstand is like all the other 1100 mechanisms you need to read the manual and start checking all the adjustments that relate to the gripper bow, transfer motor and tone arm cam adjustments.

It is worthwhile dropping the transfer motor to check 202-10807 Crank & Pin assembly, this is the small casting that has two pins (or pegs) on it that drive the transfer link and ultimately the segment gear and shaft assembly. The largest of the two pegs is riveted onto the casting, if this peg is loose in the casting instead of the operation being smooth and repetative it can be slightly off at times so matter how well you have checked all of the adjustments the timing in effect is now operating randomly.

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Nick909 on May 20, 2015, 08:15:12 am
Hi folks,

Just a quick update in case it helps anyone else out there.

Have got my TI-2 kind of up and running now.

Cleaned out S1 S2 contacts as per ami-man's advice, cleaned edge connectors on search board, tracks with eraser and lint free cloth and contact cleaned all the switches on the keyboard.
Removed the search unit to check the alignment of the relay armatures above the sprag wheel - and then found another relay around the back of it by the motor (I'd been looking at the other relay on the LHS of the mechanism under the tonearm before...).
This relay was kaput. Got a replacement from RS (4PDT Plug In Mount Non-Latching Relay, 24V dc Stock no.: 488-1831). Put it all back, and voila - we have rock n roll.

Just need to tweak the tonearm drop/pick up position and troubleshoot the lack of B side play (only plays the A selection - despite firing inner B ring pins on the search unit.)
But for now, I'm one happy camper.

Nick.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 21, 2015, 06:04:53 am
Hi Nick,

You need to check out the Stop Plate Assembly if the search unit is pushing out the B side pins, also check out the Toggle Shift solenoid and cam switch 4.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: allz28 on May 21, 2015, 09:22:44 am
Let me start by giving everyone on here a big THANK YOU as I now have a running jukebox!  Now I just need to continue working so that it'll eventually run perfect.

Alan, thank you for your advice about my speakers that aren't working.  Using it, I was able to get my low frequency speaker working again (though it's not as loud as I was expecting).  However, my high frequency speaker is still not working and the wiring all looks good.  I performed an ohms test on it and it showed 0 ohms, so am I safe to assume that the speaker is bad?  Or is this test not valid with old speakers like this?

Thanks again!


You can use a small battery to check if aspeaker is working, I usually use a 2.4 volt cell or a 1.2 cell (bassically anything I have on the bench) if you see and hear that the cone moves the speaker is alright.

Most of the Ami jukeboxes tend to have the bass across the two channels and the mid & high range speakers go on the left & right channels.

If the bass is low you may have lost a channel, you need to check that there is output from both sides of the amplifier.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Hi, Alan.  Replacing the capacitor on my high frequency speaker fixed it.  However, I have determined that you are likely right about me having a channel out on my amp.  I could not figure out or find information on how to properly test each channel, but the bass boost selector and treble selector only work on one side of my stereo control amp.  Plus sound quality is noticeably different from my right speaker to my left. 

Could this be caused by some bad tubes, or is this something I will likely need to send my amp off for repair?  I ask because I have found at least two bad tubes that cackle super bad when I tap on them.  Plus I'm hearing a low hum.  It will take some time before new ones arrive.

If you remember, you said a while ago that my amp has probably been modded since it did not have 12au7 tubes in two of its sockets, and i have since determined that you are probably right again.  If I place 12au7 tubes in their respective sockets, the tubes glow but the volume level and sound quality of the entire jukebox decreases.  Very weird.  Why do people modify these amps so that they don't use all of their original valves?

Thanks!  I'm learning a lot, but I'm still rather green at this.  :)

Adam
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 22, 2015, 05:04:45 am
Hi Adam,

Personally if I were you I would send the amplifier & pre-amplifier to a Rowe Ami specialist in your country.

You need a signal gererator and and a dual beam oscilloscope to test any amplifier.
More than likely it will not down to replacing valves, I would be looking at the larger wattage resistors on the valve bases for signs of breakdown and that the valve base connections are good.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sim_v on May 22, 2015, 05:11:18 am
I suspect counterfeit transistors ( 2n6287G )

Transistors replaced, I retreive a good sound !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG94VBc_tOE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG94VBc_tOE)

I re-cap the crossover card too.

The only thing is that Juke Box sound like mono... If I switch from STEREO to DUAL sound I got a true monophonic sound. If I set switch on preampl from Stereo to Mono I hear a thin difference but "stereo image", spatialisation is very very tight.... I will try with external speakers.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sim_v on May 23, 2015, 02:07:30 am
The only thing is that Juke Box sound like mono... If I switch from STEREO to DUAL sound I got a true monophonic sound. If I set switch on preampl from Stereo to Mono I hear a thin difference but "stereo image", spatialisation is very very tight.... I will try with external speakers.

Solution found : bad wiring between the 2 subwoofers (Previous owner changed them) !
A lot of tries before found a good stereo sound where subwoofer works together (in phase opposite in my case).
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Nick909 on May 23, 2015, 02:01:07 pm
Hi Nick,

You need to check out the Stop Plate Assembly if the search unit is pushing out the B side pins, also check out the Toggle Shift solenoid and cam switch 4.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK


Hi Alan,

It was indeed a gummed up Toggle Shift solenoid - with an iffy spade connection.
Everything is behaving as it should, thank you!

Many thanks for your advice.

(Time now to go buy some new, well - old, singles...)

best,
Nick
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 25, 2015, 08:25:54 am
Hi Nick,

I am glad to hear you have sorted out the jukebox. It is now time to enjoy those records, Manfred Man's Joybringer is a very good test record for any sound system.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: BGun on May 29, 2015, 01:20:51 pm
This Rowe Ami Venus with CD-100F had stopped playing tracks completely through, pausing and unpausing intermittently.

I contacted Mr. Wentworth of New Hampshire, and he was of a mind that the mech control has been modified. It is a 61086201 with attached Combo-4 rev.1.0 board. He told me he couldn't help me if it's a mech control issue.

As he recommended, I checked the power supply voltages, and they seem fine. I tried disconnecting the bill feeder with no result.

I am very interested in replacing the CD mechanism with an MP3 player from cdadapter.com, but I'm afraid that this won't fix the pausing problem.

This is in Minneapolis, MN. Any aid is greatly appreciated.
On such an active forum, one might expect at least one response. Is anyone able to help?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on May 29, 2015, 04:40:24 pm
sorry Bgun, your post may have just become lost in the shuffle.

when you say "pausing and unpausing" is the CD skipping? like what you'd expect with a dirty or scratched disk? or is the music stopping and starting as if the amplifier suddenly stopped producing sound, but the CD continues to play?

if it's "skipping" you may have an issue with the read head itself and it may need to be replaced.

I may have some cd adapter mp3 units coming up for sale in the next while. I'm waiting for some units to come back to the shop where they will be stripped out.

Keep an eye on my post in the Buy/Sell/Trade

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,110942.msg1176257.html#msg1176257 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,110942.msg1176257.html#msg1176257)

for when that happens, as they often move fast.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: BGun on May 29, 2015, 05:39:18 pm
sorry Bgun, your post may have just become lost in the shuffle.

when you say "pausing and unpausing" is the CD skipping? like what you'd expect with a dirty or scratched disk? or is the music stopping and starting as if the amplifier suddenly stopped producing sound, but the CD continues to play?

if it's "skipping" you may have an issue with the read head itself and it may need to be replaced.

I may have some cd adapter mp3 units coming up for sale in the next while. I'm waiting for some units to come back to the shop where they will be stripped out.

Keep an eye on my post in the Buy/Sell/Trade

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,110942.msg1176257.html#msg1176257 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,110942.msg1176257.html#msg1176257)

for when that happens, as they often move fast.
The CD disk stops spinning, then starts again, fitfully. I suspect a power supply problem, but there's no other indication, and no noticeable flickering in the lights or the readout panels.

Thanks for your reply.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Nick909 on June 01, 2015, 05:41:31 am
Hi Nick,

I am glad to hear you have sorted out the jukebox. It is now time to enjoy those records, Manfred Man's Joybringer is a very good test record for any sound system.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Hi Alan,

Hope you don't mind me picking your brains again!

I've got one (hopefully final!) little niggle I'm trying to iron out with this TI-2.

When the carousel has a long scan to reach the next record it seems to bounce or slip 1 past to the next selection (e.g. plays C2 instead of A2) - looks like a bit of inertia having picked up speed.
On shorter rotations (e.g. A2 has just been played, A3 is next up) it plays the correct selection.

I've checked the timing/alignment on the stop switch assembly (A1 and the 200 mark).
I've also tightened up the 2 screws on the blue nylon gear as per manual.

There seems to be a little 'play' in the mechanism - It's not rock solid - I can move the carousel slightly clockwise/anticlockwise by hand.

Is there anything else I can check/tighten - or is this one of those delightful 'features' - I guess from an old/worn mech...?

many thanks!
Nick.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 01, 2015, 06:58:23 am
Hi Nick,

If the basket is in the A1 possition and the stop switch is in its 200 mark against the search unit frame step as per manual, then the mechanism is timed as such, you can tighten the mechanism sightly by slackening the sprag assembly machine screws to put more pressure on the sprag wheel.

This has to be undertaken with care because too much pressure on the sprag wheel will cause wear.

Have you checked that the search unit is pushing out the correct pins?
I usually drop the search unit for this operation.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: BackwardGirl on June 01, 2015, 05:18:15 pm
Hello,
I have a 1959 Model J, which I have had for over 20 years. I am located in New Jersey in the US. it sounds great but over the past year has developed a problem where it will not select the correct record. Local repairman said it needed a pulse generator wiper blade. I purchased a new part from Victory Glass and repairman installed it. The box worked great for 1 week, then started choosing selections that were a few numbers or letters off. I had the repairman back and he told me he could not guarantee his work and complained about the lousy mechanism of this year's model.

Over the past few weeks it has gotten progressively worse; now it will only select a A1 through A4, no matter what letter/number you pick, which is the point it was at before the part was installed.

What else could be causing this issue? I am not very handy, but I do have learned to do simple fixes on the box over the years when things don't work right.

Right now, I don't have any other choice but to call this repairman back; there is no one else in my area who repairs jukeboxes. But at least if know what other parts might need to be replaced I can deal with him more intelligently.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 02, 2015, 06:13:16 am
Hello BackwardGirl,

Sorry you did not give your name, welcome to the forum.

Sadly with a jukebox of this era regular service is required at least once or twice per year.

My advice would be to try and obtain another but refurbuished pulse generator from someone in the USA, sadly I am unsure of a service engineer that may be able to help you, it is certain however that you need someone who specalises in Rowe jukeboxes from this era.
By the way the same basic mechanism was used from 1956 to 1962.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: BackwardGirl on June 04, 2015, 02:21:36 pm
Hello BackwardGirl,

Sorry you did not give your name, welcome to the forum.

Sadly with a jukebox of this era regular service is required at least once or twice per year.

My advice would be to try and obtain another but refurbuished pulse generator from someone in the USA, sadly I am unsure of a service engineer that may be able to help you, it is certain however that you need someone who specalises in Rowe jukeboxes from this era.
By the way the same basic mechanism was used from 1956 to 1962.


Hi Alan, I'm Cindy.

So you recommend replacing the entire pulse generator, not just a part? I'm wondering why the box would have worked fine after replacing the wiper blade, then reverted back to its past problems. A faulty pulse generator would account for that?

Can you recommend where I would obtain one of these?

Do you know of any repairmen in the East of the US who specialize  in Rowe/AMIs? My current repairman seems to have a dislike for them and is recommending I buy a Seeburg instead.

I understand that this box needs yearly service, but would hope that after spending hundreds of dollars on a service call it would work for more than 1 week!

Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 05, 2015, 03:32:56 am
Hi Cindy,

I have not done much work on these earlier Ami/Bal Ami jukeboxes but every one I have seen the Pulse Generators have been untidy and basically worn out.

They have a lot of open relays on them that have to be set up with the correct presure on the contacts that must be clean and not pitted, they need to be cleaned correctly i.e. not with sandpaper or files or you get the problem soon returning. likewise the wipers and the two boards need to be clean.

With regards to getting a replacement you could try www.jukeboxparts.com (http://www.jukeboxparts.com)

I would pop on www.phonoland.com (http://www.phonoland.com) there are a few good engineers that post on that site.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: BGun on June 17, 2015, 03:43:01 pm
sorry Bgun, your post may have just become lost in the shuffle.

when you say "pausing and unpausing" is the CD skipping? like what you'd expect with a dirty or scratched disk? or is the music stopping and starting as if the amplifier suddenly stopped producing sound, but the CD continues to play?

if it's "skipping" you may have an issue with the read head itself and it may need to be replaced.

I may have some cd adapter mp3 units coming up for sale in the next while. I'm waiting for some units to come back to the shop where they will be stripped out.

Keep an eye on my post in the Buy/Sell/Trade

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,110942.msg1176257.html#msg1176257 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,110942.msg1176257.html#msg1176257)

for when that happens, as they often move fast.
The CD disk stops spinning, then starts again, fitfully. I suspect a power supply problem, but there's no other indication, and no noticeable flickering in the lights or the readout panels.

Thanks for your reply.
For the sake of closure, I just want to add that my boss decided to upgrade to a different jukebox, and sell this one off.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: BlazenJsCD100 on June 18, 2015, 02:53:56 pm
Hey there!  I have a Rowe CD100 with a repeated error code 05-57 and flashing light on the mechanism control board error.  Would you please inform me what 05-57 is? I wouldn't mind any advice either.  Thanks soo much.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on June 18, 2015, 11:32:54 pm
Hey there!  I have a Rowe CD100 with a repeated error code 05-57 and flashing light on the mechanism control board error.  Would you please inform me what 05-57 is? I wouldn't mind any advice either.  Thanks soo much.

"Index LED is always on"

the mechanism control thinks the optical indexing switch is defective. a wire is probably shorted or open, the switch is defective, or the input from the switch to the computer is blown.

check the wiring from the index switch to the computer.

clean the optical switch.

replace the switch

replace or repair the mechanism control board.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sim_v on June 19, 2015, 02:31:36 pm
Ami-Man give you a solution if CD basket turns.

But if you see no motion on CD basket, you have to check relay and motor.
I've got 05-50 & 05-51 which means switch error but the problem was on a gripped relay.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: paultakita on June 22, 2015, 09:00:31 am
Ami-man! I'm hoping you can help me out...

I found a Rowe MMCD-3 out by someones trash bin! I took it home and it works, but it makes some noise while transfering discs to and from the player. Please watch my video of the issue here -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWrzphOjCZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWrzphOjCZI)

Do you have any idea what causes this noise? If so where can I buy the part?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on June 22, 2015, 02:35:00 pm
i'd be inclined to say it sounds like the drive motor. it may have lost it's wear bushing at the front of the motor housing causing the armature to slide up and wrack at the front of the motor housing. (or could be bent)

Take a look at the drive motor you'll see what I mean when it operates.

it's normal to make a little bit of sound, but that is crazy too much!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: paultakita on June 23, 2015, 09:50:11 am
Thanks for the answer lilshawn.

Any idea of a good place to get a new drive motor?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: paultakita on June 23, 2015, 11:15:53 am
Ive been doing more research and it seems i need a Part No. 40720802

I took a look as well, it looks like it is missing that wear bushing, because the armature is hitting the front of the motor housing.

I guess I cant complain about any repairs I have to make. After all it was free!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: alfonzotan on June 24, 2015, 10:33:38 am
Alan,

My wife and I are going to be moving a working AMI 1948 Model B from her parents' home to ours in a couple of months.  It's about a 12-hour drive.  I've been looking around for recommendations on how to safely transport this beast, but so far I haven't had any luck.  Care to pass on the do's and don't's?

Thanks...
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on June 24, 2015, 11:23:00 am
do remove the records from the unit. tape everything that can move around (tone arm etc.) be sure to remove everything once you've moved it. trying to move a taped down part can seriously ruin a machine.

wrap it up with a moving blanket (can be purchased from uhaul for a couple bucks each) and be cautious of strapping it. the plastic on older machines is brittle as glass and too much strain can bust it wide open. try and strap it around the midpoint where there is some meat to it with no plastic or glass.

don't just toss it in the back of a truck and go rippin' down a dirt road.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 25, 2015, 05:04:55 am
Hello Alfonzotan,

I agree with lilshawn, remove the records and transport separately, tape the gripper arm down and the trurntable and tone arm, you may need to have some small pieces of polystyrene to pack under the tone arm (large elastic bands can also come in handy).

The mechanism should be able to be locked down to the cabinet in the four corners.

Check items such has the amplifier, coin mechanism in fact anything that is just hooked in place, secure with screws (always check on the length of screws if screwing into the side of the cabinet) tape or in the case of the coin mechanism you can remove it. Check that lights are secure in their lamp holders and tape if necessary.

One you have got the jukebox on the truck or trailer, because it is castors you will need to lift it slightly off the floor, you could use a couple of 4 x 2's  or some thick polystyrene, I would put plenty of layers of bubble wrap over the glasses and plastic trim before covering with blankets. 

Lilshawn is correct re gettin a strap around the middle section, if you can also get a strap around the bottom trim.

Please let us know how you get on with the removal.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: alfonzotan on June 25, 2015, 07:22:09 am
Thanks very much.  I suspect the hardest part of this move is going to be getting it out of my Father-In-Law's basement.  :banghead:

Is it feasible/advisable to remove the large plastic panels?  I've read a lot about how fragile they are.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ruckusninja on July 21, 2015, 07:20:50 pm
I just purchased a Rowe AMI R92, it came without an amp. Would you happen to know where I could get one inexpensively? Or, barring that, any thoughts on converting to a standard Peavy amp by direct wiring the speakers and converting the player to RCA's?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dylanoreo21 on July 22, 2015, 01:31:15 am
Hello I just bought a repaired amp for my Rowe r-94 and it was working but the sound wouldn't go up or down just quiet so I thought it was the volume knob so I waited then the next day I plugged it back in and I got a constant squeal but when you unplug the speaker out puts on amp it quits any ideas thanks for your reply in advance :hissy:   :dizzy:
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: alfonzotan on August 09, 2015, 04:31:09 pm

Please let us know how you get on with the removal.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Well, I'm happy to report that we made the move yesterday (800 miles!) and got the AMI Model b indoors at its new home with a minimum of blood loss and no (visible) damage.  As we didn't get finished until nearly 1AM after the long drive, I didn't try anything out until this morning.

The good news:  the jukebox worked near-perfectly on the first try; the tonearm cam needs adjustment for the correct starting point, but other than that, good operation.

The bad news:  I rolled the thing across the room to where we wanted it... and the turntable and amp are now not working.  800 miles on the road and two tired people muscling it indoors in the dark, no problem.  Roll it six feet across carpet, and pffft!

The old AMI manual indicates the likely cause is "open circuit through the contacts of the control relay."  I'll take a swipe at troubleshooting soon...
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Klubbrik on August 25, 2015, 12:29:26 pm
Hi,
What model could this jukebox be?
On the front: Rowe AMI
on the rear side label: Model: MMT-33B (or ITTI-33B) very difficult to read
SN: 739762
ROWE USA
Autoimport AB Sweden


I cannot find any model close to this ...???

The jukebox problem is a humming noice and no music.
I have found one lose wire on the external volume control potentiometer that I will solder and try ....

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on August 25, 2015, 10:38:47 pm
I would just take a picture and post it here. It appears to have been imported to your country and may have a custom model identifying it.

A broken wire on the volume pot could be causing the amp to run wide open causing the humm.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on August 26, 2015, 09:38:37 am
Hello Klubbrik,

Go on the the Stamann website www.jukebox-world.de (http://www.jukebox-world.de) and go into their Archieve section and click on Rowe Ami and then the camera sign, this will show you every Rowe Ami jukebox made.

I suspect that you well find that your jukebox is the 1969 Rowe Ami MM-3 Music Miracle, this came in three "Change A Scene" front panels.

Moon Burst, Spinning Wheel & Flower Girl.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Thewizkid98 on September 11, 2015, 05:17:05 pm
Hello Alan.

I'm in the U.S. I have a Rowe AMI T1 1973 Seville
It was in a friends basement for years. It powers up and there is a record on the turntable. and the arm/needle is on label part of the record. But it won't move and the record doesn't return to the tray. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Jay.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jennifer on September 12, 2015, 04:58:26 am
    Id be wondering if the transfer arm wasn't seized, It can be quite a daunting task to take that apart your first time.....Take lots of pics.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Thewizkid98 on September 13, 2015, 02:09:11 am
Update. If I press the button on the side of the turntable it will take a record put it on the turntable the turntable will rotate the arm will come over an rest on the record.
But the records do not rotate and when I make a selection nothing will happen at all.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jennifer on September 13, 2015, 10:38:40 am
   There should be a service/run mode switch too may want to have a look at that.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Thewizkid98 on September 13, 2015, 04:42:01 pm
There is, it says on off scan. When I go to scan it tries to rotates the records but it barely moves them
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jennifer on September 14, 2015, 09:44:57 pm
   That just doesn't seem right, It should spin at a fairly good speed, First thing I would do is get a manual and perform all basic service on it and check all fuses if you find a burnt one your job is fairly easy cause that narrows your search down to that circuit ... Those gripper arm assembly's tend to get sticky with age, and even though it works would be creating quite a draw, there is no "quick fix here just time for a rebuild . The carriage motor I would be suspicious of already and would bench test that, And finally (with your manual in hand) take a close look at the selection unit, my guess that's where your problem lies.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 15, 2015, 10:08:49 am
Hi Jay,

Welcome to the forum.

"There is, it says on off scan. When I go to scan it tries to rotates the records but it barely moves them"

Do you mean the records or do you mean the revolving of the mechanism/carousel?

I would strip down the gripper bow assembly and the idler wheel and linkage, once removed from the jukebox wash in soapy water and then check the parts for any wear and replace if needed (we do stock all of the parts if needed).

Are you able to select records?
Is the search unit revolving and pushing out the correct pins?

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Thewizkid98 on September 15, 2015, 02:22:23 pm
Hello Alan

The carousel barely moves in the scan mode. If I push the button on the lower right side in the run mode a record will be taken out and will play. But that's the only way. If I make a selection the buttons will stay pushed in. An I hear a noise from within the mechanism but nothing will happen. I've checked all the fuses vacuum tube all are good. There are no loose or broken wires. The carousel. The selector and the wheel at the bottom all read the same letter/number.

But the funny thing is. Is that the selecter showing the selection being played is in the front. Not on the side where I believe it should be. Where it would be seen though the viewing window when the top is closed.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: mycapricess on September 15, 2015, 03:15:01 pm
Hi am new to the forum but i have a Rowe AMI R-88 that i pulled off the side of the road.

It gets power and the lights come on but that is about it.  Once i got it open I could see that i am getting power into the unit but from what some people have told me the computer is bad.  Is there a way to test it?  The computer has 777 in the number stick on it.  I was told that these ones are not rebuildable.  I found used ones but want to confirm it before i spend the money.  Also is there any way to test the mech before putting in a new computer.

Thank You
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 16, 2015, 06:07:21 am
Hello Jay,

My advice is as follows:-

Remove the search unit at selection position A1 by undoing the three larger bolts through the search unit.
Put to one side for the mement.

Look at the Stop Plate Assembly, you will see that the 200 (or 00) timing mark is oposite a step in the metal frame on the right where two of the bolts go into. Remove the stop plate assembly.

Check out the condition of the Sprag wheel for any defects, if ok. clean the tracks on the back of the stop plate assembly with a pencil rubber (eraser) then wipe with a lint free cloth. Put a spot of oil on the shaft that the stop plate goes onto before repositioning to the 200 timing mark.

Try turning the basket around  whilst disengaging the sprang link by pulling in the plunger assembly. If this feels very tight when turning by hand more than likely you will have too much tension on the sprag wheel gear. loosen the three machine screws (2BA) that hold the sprag assembly plate onto the mechanism. It needs to be tightened so the gears engage fully (this prevents too much side to side movement of the basket when the sprag is locked) but not too tight by putting strain on the motor and gears.

With your selection issues I suggest that you clean the two open relays (S1 & S2) contacts on the search unit with a paper taper (do not any sprays sandpaper or files) this will clean the surface of the contacts, adjust for operation both open & closed contacts. On your keyboard/button bank under a small plastic cover is relays R1 & R5 clean the contacts on these relays as well.

Please report back to us with your findings.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 16, 2015, 06:15:35 am
Hi am new to the forum but i have a Rowe AMI R-88 that i pulled off the side of the road.

It gets power and the lights come on but that is about it.  Once i got it open I could see that i am getting power into the unit but from what some people have told me the computer is bad.  Is there a way to test it?  The computer has 777 in the number stick on it.  I was told that these ones are not rebuildable.  I found used ones but want to confirm it before i spend the money.  Also is there any way to test the mech before putting in a new computer.

Thank You

Welcome to the forum.

If your CCC (Central Control Computer) starts with the number 4-7773-01 (the revision number could be different) these can be tested/repaired, but your jukebox is a R-89 to R-94 not a R-88 which used the earlier CCC 6-08870-01 (to -06)

If you are in the USA Bruce Wentworth of AB Leisure repairs these. I do repairs from customers worldwide.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK



Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: dolph on September 16, 2015, 06:50:13 am
I have a rowe ami cd 100 jukebox. I put on a track played fine next selection basket picked up cd no sound .I ejected cd made a n other selection nothing .plus the card basket won't move anymore. All lights working fine .After few minutes it says out of order. Need advice thanks regards dolph.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: dolph on September 16, 2015, 08:43:13 am
First time on .my rowe ami cd 100 jukebox  .All lights working but stopped playing cds .worked fine then next song no sound then cage won't respond and basket won't turn. Says out of order .Can anyone help please .regards dolph.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: mycapricess on September 16, 2015, 03:26:01 pm
Alan talked to Bruce already he said it was not repairable attached are pics of the CCC and model number

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Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: mycapricess on September 16, 2015, 03:26:57 pm
Pics

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Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: dolph on September 18, 2015, 03:42:08 am
I have a rowe ami cd 100 jukebox. I put on a track played fine next selection basket picked up cd no sound .I ejected cd made a n other selection nothing .plus the card basket won't move anymore. All lights working fine .After few minutes it says out of order. Need advice thanks regards dolph.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 18, 2015, 06:38:13 am
Alan talked to Bruce already he said it was not repairable attached are pics of the CCC and model number

Sent from my HUAWEI Y536A1 using Tapatalk

My guess is that Rowe Ami were using up spare R-88 cabinets (the same happened with the R-80S that had the new R-81 guts) it is that or someone just fitted the newere CCC after altering some of the wiring.

We can repair/substitute your CCC, but we are in the UK

You can email me on the following address:-

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
alan-hood@datex.co.uk
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Thewizkid98 on September 18, 2015, 04:11:35 pm
Hello Jay,

My advice is as follows:-

Remove the search unit at selection position A1 by undoing the three larger bolts through the search unit.
Put to one side for the mement.

Look at the Stop Plate Assembly, you will see that the 200 (or 00) timing mark is oposite a step in the metal frame on the right where two of the bolts go into. Remove the stop plate assembly.

Check out the condition of the Sprag wheel for any defects, if ok. clean the tracks on the back of the stop plate assembly with a pencil rubber (eraser) then wipe with a lint free cloth. Put a spot of oil on the shaft that the stop plate goes onto before repositioning to the 200 timing mark.

Try turning the basket around  whilst disengaging the sprang link by pulling in the plunger assembly. If this feels very tight when turning by hand more than likely you will have too much tension on the sprag wheel gear. loosen the three machine screws (2BA) that hold the sprag assembly plate onto the mechanism. It needs to be tightened so the gears engage fully (this prevents too much side to side movement of the basket when the sprag is locked) but not too tight by putting strain on the motor and gears.

With your selection issues I suggest that you clean the two open relays (S1 & S2) contacts on the search unit with a paper taper (do not any sprays sandpaper or files) this will clean the surface of the contacts, adjust for operation both open & closed contacts. On your keyboard/button bank under a small plastic cover is relays R1 & R5 clean the contacts on these relays as well.

Please report back to us with your findings.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Thanks Alan. But I have a few problems I don't know anything about jukeboxes an there is no manual.
So I'm not understanding anything you just told me.

Sorry.
Jay
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on September 20, 2015, 10:13:07 pm
it is a little daunting but not completely impossible. get a book, take your time. keep track of the parts...how the come out, how they are ordered...their orientation. take notes, pics, draw pictures. when i first started ripping things apart i'd tape them to a piece of paper in the position they came from and label everything so parts would go back where they came from. no extra parts.

but if you are still super uncomfortable, in that case, whizkid, it may be more beneficial to take it to someone who knows these machines. it won't be cheap...but they will certainly get it fixed up.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Thewizkid98 on September 20, 2015, 11:49:54 pm
Thanks lilshawn
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 21, 2015, 06:22:23 am
Hi Jay,

As Lilshaw says get the manual and read it a few times before you even look at it.
In order for any of the forum members to help you on this and other jukebox forums you will need to know what the parts of the jukebox are called, a basic knowledge of there operation.

The alternative is to pay someone to repair the jukebox for you.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: mycapricess on September 22, 2015, 01:26:39 pm
Alan talked to Bruce already he said it was not repairable attached are pics of the CCC and model number

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My guess is that Rowe Ami were using up spare R-88 cabinets (the same happened with the R-80S that had the new R-81 guts) it is that or someone just fitted the newere CCC after altering some of the wiring.

We can repair/substitute your CCC, but we are in the UK

You can email me on the following address:-

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
alan-hood@datex.co.uk
Any chance you can tell me how to test it to confirm its bad?


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Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 23, 2015, 05:59:46 am
Hello mycapricess,

Have you error codes on the CCC?
If you put the service switch into service and press the canel button (near to the tone arm) what happens?
Are all of the leds lit on the power supply?

Regards
Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dylanoreo21 on October 14, 2015, 05:10:48 pm
Hi can someone please help me with this
We have a Rowe r-94 that no sound would come out
So we bought a rebuilt amp and installed it
Then when powered on there was a high pitch squeal
Then the next week it was powered on and sounded fine everything worked
Then a month later turned it on and the squeals back
Any ideas ???? Thanks in advance  :hissy: :dizzy:
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dylanoreo21 on October 19, 2015, 08:00:28 pm
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Hi can someone please help me with this 
We have a Rowe r-94 that no sound would come out
So we bought a rebuilt amp and installed it
Then when powered on there was a high pitch squeal
Then the next week it was powered on and sounded fine everything worked
Then a month later turned it on and the squeals back 
Any ideas ?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: mycapricess on October 30, 2015, 10:27:33 am
Hello mycapricess,

Have you error codes on the CCC?
If you put the service switch into service and press the canel button (near to the tone arm) what happens?
Are all of the leds lit on the power supply?

Regards
Alan

If you plug it in put into service mode and hit the cancel button near the tone are nothing happens.  All the lights on the power supply are lit.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on October 30, 2015, 01:56:56 pm
Alan talked to Bruce already he said it was not repairable attached are pics of the CCC and model number

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The R84 through R88 CCC boards can be repaired with this module:

http://www.cdadapter.com/r84chip.htm (http://www.cdadapter.com/r84chip.htm)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 02, 2015, 05:51:12 am
Hi Ken,

The topic is about a R-89 to R-94 CCC 4-077730-1 (onwards).

Bruce says he can not repair these and the CD Adaptor board can not be used on these CCC's.

Regards
Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: mycapricess on November 05, 2015, 05:30:44 pm
So what options do I have just a used one?

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Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jdemarti on November 16, 2015, 10:14:43 pm
Hello

I am having trouble with my CD100C. When I choose a CD right after power up the jukebox plays the right one.  If I then choose a sequential cd, the pickup will be off by 2. For example.  I power on the jukebox and choose cd 80, it will play cd 80 fine.  I then choose cd 82, it will move to the cd 84 position, if I then choose cd 84, it will play cd 86 or even cd 88, and so on.  However, If I choose something on the opposite side, say 01, it will play 01 then start messing up again if I choose 03, etc

I changed the MECH controller and the CCC. Same issue.   I must be overlooking something here.

Any help would be appreciated. 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 17, 2015, 07:44:35 am
I would check the opto switch adjustment and also clean the opto switch and the magazine gear for any dirt build up.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jdemarti on November 17, 2015, 08:32:46 am
Thanks, Alan.  I'll give it a try.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jdemarti on November 17, 2015, 08:26:26 pm
Alan

You were correct, the optical switch was out of adjustment.  Working great now.  Thanks again

John
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: afsteveo on November 23, 2015, 12:53:04 am
This may seem like a silly question, but we have a jukebox leftover to us here at our rec center in Afghanistan. No, directions, no keys, nothing. We want to update the music and honestly have no idea how to open it without brute strength and breaking it. It is a Rowe CD-100K Starglo and looks like there should be a lock on the side but it is completely missing.

Any help is appreciated.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on November 23, 2015, 11:20:43 am

i've attached a quick setup guide for the machine that will tell you how to install and setup the machine for new CD's.

but to do that, you are going to have to open the cabinet...you may get lucky and have a manual inside the machine with detailed instructions on how to change the CD's then program the computer for the new CD.

step 1 is to get in the machine. the lock should be on the side somewhere it should be stamped "C094A" this will open up the whole front of the machine. it's a standard size lock, so if you have to break the lock to get in (because no keys) it should be easy to obtain another.

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: afsteveo on November 23, 2015, 10:05:32 pm
Thanks LilShawn, but ours does not even have a lock on the side, just a hole where it should be. We've tried forcing it open but are afraid to break it if we try too hard. 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jennifer on November 23, 2015, 10:32:24 pm
   Although not familiar with that machine.... If you look in that hole with a light, My guess is you will find a cam setup that pushes rods to latches on the sides,  (kinda like a pickup tailgate)
if you push it with a borepick (or something) I bet it pops right open. Locks are usually drilled out be people who lose the keys, a replacement should be relatively easy to find.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on November 23, 2015, 11:52:11 pm
i'm not sure exactly how these are setup to unlock, but you should be able to find some stiff wires on the inside that attached to the lock at one time.

you should be able to get someone on the back side to look into one of the holes or ventilation grills and see inside. you may be able to guide a second person with a pair of long needle nose pliers to grasp the rods and pull them up or down to release the door.

depending on the method of lockdown, you may be able to use some metal strapping used in shipping heavy duty crates to shim inside the door and trip the door catch to open.

like so: (http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/845850/7901468/0/1233562700/Steel_Strapping_Strip.jpg)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jennifer on November 24, 2015, 10:54:57 am
    That's actually a fun idea ;D... I use the plastic straps to cover painted edges on cabs, so the bit on the router doesn't burn the finish when I laminate. It leaves a not so flush cut obviously but a piece of painters tape and a big file finishes it off really nice.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 24, 2015, 10:56:52 am
Hello afsteveo,

Welcome to the forum please let us have your name.

If you can not see the wires that activate the catches through the lock hole you will have to force open the jukebox door.

Usually the catches are about 10 to 12 inches from each side of door. To do this I usually put some masking tape on a couple of screwdrivers to help protect the cabinet trim.
You push a screwdriver in between the the small opening in the door and lower trim enough so you can see one of the catches. the catches are usually an arrow head in shape which are against a flat plate, push a screwdriver inbetween to open the door at one side. Put a wedge in this opened side whilst you attack the other catch, once this is done the door will spring open.

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jdemarti on November 28, 2015, 10:02:25 pm
I have a question about the AMI ROWE CCC Eprom.  Until recently, I thought the latest CCC code was v4.3. A few weeks ago I saw an AMI ROWE Hideaway jukebox that had v5.0 on the Eprom.  Is there such thing as a v5.0?

Thanks

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: d0n on December 04, 2015, 10:01:42 am
Hi can you tell me the difference between the cd-RN and the cd-RNH bubbler jukeboxes?  My RNH was made in 1996.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: allz28 on December 04, 2015, 01:52:32 pm
Hi Alan,

You helped me get my 1963 Rowe AMI JAL-200 jukebox running earlier in the year and I'm afraid it stopped working and I could use your help again.  A record didn't set down correctly and as the transfer arm went to place it back in the magazine, it jammed.  I cleared the record but the transfer arm will not release (meaning the shoe does not retract) to allow the magazine to scan.  It's sort of like the jukebox is stuck on this one step and won't move forward with operation.  In more detail, specifically, when I turn my Jukebox on, the power activates and the transfer motor cam attempts to move and then seems to bind and the machine buzzes.  The same happens if I attempt to scan.

I cannot visibly see any broken components.  If I activate what I think is the Detent Solenoid, the magazine will begin scanning, but I have to manually hold the transfer arm shoe in to keep it from rubbing the records.

After reading through my manual, I thought this might be a symptom of a bad cam microswitch, but they all tested good (or at least the resistance on the switches changed according to switch operation).  Since I had it apart, I went ahead and cleaned the relays again with a paper taper.  I also checked the 2-amp slo-blo fuse, which was good.

How should i proceed diagnostically?  Thanks in advance for your help again!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jennifer on December 05, 2015, 02:22:19 am
    If I was to take a guess, It would be the rollers on the carriage gave out,
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on December 05, 2015, 12:25:47 pm
I have a question about the AMI ROWE CCC Eprom.  Until recently, I thought the latest CCC code was v4.3. A few weeks ago I saw an AMI ROWE Hideaway jukebox that had v5.0 on the Eprom.  Is there such thing as a v5.0?

Thanks

5.0 on the CCC eprom?

I've never heard of it.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: johnyfroes on December 06, 2015, 03:33:21 am
Hi everybody, I am a newbie here. I live in the Caribbean and I have worked with Rowe CD boxes for 20 years, now I have converted all of them to Digital, so I have tons of CCC, Mech decoders, complete mech and basket and players, scan motors, transfer motors, title page assemblys, CDPro and CDPro-2, title pages motors, complete mechanismes for CD100 C, D, E, and for WP100 also alot of CD Video decoders NTSC (to watch your videos) using VCD.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: d0n on December 06, 2015, 03:00:36 pm
Does anyone know what liquid is inside the bubbler tubes on a 1996 rowe ami cd-rnh? It's a dark yellow/orange.

One of my tubes is broken and empty. I thinking I might be able to fill it back up and seal it with epoxy... if I knew what was in it?!

thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on December 07, 2015, 08:44:17 am
Hi d0n,

Your best bet is to go the Victory Glass website and order the correct tube.
www.victoryglass.com (http://www.victoryglass.com)

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: d0n on December 07, 2015, 10:21:23 am
Thanks I have done that   :applaud:
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on December 07, 2015, 02:50:40 pm
for S&G...

originally trichlorofluoromethane would have been used. But because of it's harmful effects and depletion of the ozone if released into the atmosphere its production has been ceased. The modern much safer liquid used is dichloromethane.(Methylene chloride)

it has a very low and narrow volatile boiling point, nonflammable, and relatively harmless if accidentally released. Just don't breathe a bunch of it in.

it is a liquid to vapour cycle that causes the bubbles to form and then be reabsorbed later down the tube as it only takes a few degrees to change from a gas back to liquid again.

if you where to attempt refilling the tube, you'd have to fill the tube with dichloromethane then remove  the air so all that remains in the tube is dichloromethane and a small amount dichloromethane vapour (pretty easy considering the boiling point of dichloromethane), then seal the tube.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dave2864 on December 21, 2015, 11:35:47 am
Hi Alan,
New to the jukebox world, so apologize in advance for any stupid questions.
I have a Rowe AMI LaserStar StarGlo CD100-K.  Everything works fine except for the title page mechanism.  You can manually turn the pages to where they are all at the top and "sometimes" the motor will lower the pages but it will never raise them back up.  You can hear the motor trying to move the page but it can't do it.  I've looked everywhere for the latch to remove the whole assembly but have been unable to find it.  Any advise would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Dave
USA
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on December 21, 2015, 05:56:28 pm
it may still have the shipping screws installed holding it in place.

it might have 2 screws in the back towards the top holding it in place. it would be near the handle you turn to change the pages.

see in your manual section 1-4 for the location of the screws.

or this PDF:

http://www.roweinternational.com/pdf/starglow_manual.pdf (http://www.roweinternational.com/pdf/starglow_manual.pdf)

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dave2864 on December 21, 2015, 07:32:04 pm
Lilshawn,
The screws had already been removed.  Thanks for attaching the pdf!  I still can't see how it comes out, however.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on December 21, 2015, 10:03:26 pm
if all the screws have been removed then you should be able to lift the side opposite the hinge brackets and tilt the entire rack away from the unit.

make sure to disconnect the electrical plug from the page assy.

now i don't remember exactly, it's been awhile since i've had to remove one.... but...

you either press down on 2 ....sort of of retainer tabs... on each side of the hinge bracket (where the assy rotates on the hinge) to release the assy from the bracket. then you just lift out the assy...off the bracket.

or once it's in the full open position you can lift the assy out of the bracket. (hinge pins sort of keyed to stay in place when closed, but slot out when fully opened.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on December 23, 2015, 06:44:56 am
Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dave2864 on December 24, 2015, 02:57:43 pm
Lilshawn,
You were right!  I was looking for a latch that had to be disengaged.  There's not actually one.  It just sits on some bolts.  You just lift up and pull out.
Now if I can just see what's keeping the pages from turning!
Thank you and Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: pinballjail on January 20, 2016, 09:59:01 pm
Hello, I have a MM3 jukebox that when you make a selection the search unit runs and won't stop. I cleaned the contacts on the search unit edge connector and the slip ring wipers. I also swapped the R and R2 relays around and that didn't help.  :angry:   Any ideas where I should look next ?

Thank You
Kelley
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on January 22, 2016, 06:47:38 am
Hello Kelley,

I suggest that you do the following:-

Make a paper taper out of copy paper.

On the Keyboard are two relays R1 & R5 (usually under a small plastic cover).
On the relays you will see the open contacts, using the paper taper you have made clean the tips of the contacts by pulling the taper between the contacts.
Check that the contacts have pressure on them when activating the relays.

On the Search Unit you will see the two open contact relays S1 & S2.
Clean these again using your taper and check the contacts for mechanical operation.

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: wise1 on February 06, 2016, 06:25:40 am
I have a very similar problem with MM3 scan, the mech will do all the right things to play a record but when there are no more selections to play, the scan wheel keeps turning and wont stop.
what switch or contact tells the scan to stop when there are no more selections to play? this is a work in progress. the gearing was out of sync  and needle and random cartridge wrong way round.
one problem at a time. The mech is in very good condition for its age. the amp is probably rooted though. when I turn the juke on the scan wheel keeps turning.

Mr Alan Hood, My R89 problems still persist (sometimes), your testing of my mech control board was spot on and works fine. I now think I have two faults, bad connector P105 and faulty opto for the basket

Richard
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 08, 2016, 06:05:22 am
Hello Richard,

Re the MM-3 the problem may well be in the Scan Control Assembly 303-05111.

Check out the miccro switch in this assembly, part number 200-10731.
You will see the gear assembly, scan has a spring attached to it, this gear under tention by the spring activates the switch to stop the scan after about a full revolution and a third.
Check that this is working correctly and is activating the switch.

Re the R-89 check the loom from the the CCC to P205 on the mechanism control, remove each connection from the molex plug one pin at a time by pushing in the pawl and extracting the pin with a very small screw driver orcract knife. Reset the pawl amnd look at the connection pin, you will see that it constructed by a folded method, first check the sloping surface of the pin for any tarnish, if there is any clean of with a pencil rubber (erazer) or a fibre glass cleaning pencil. If ok slightly open the folded pin this when reincerted will put extra pressure on the connection.

Do the above to every connect on each end of the loom. If you think you so have a connection issue on P105 on the CCC then desolder each connection on the pins and reflow with new solder.

Re the opto switch, check all the four wires going into the molex plug these wires are very thin and can break, if all ok remove the opto switch and clean between the sensors, if the mechanism gear that opto switch sensors is dirty, then clean this as well.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: wise1 on February 08, 2016, 03:55:18 pm
Thanks Alan,
I will have a look at the machine on the week end and let you know what I find.

Richard
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Camcian on February 11, 2016, 05:01:38 pm
Hi Alan, I've got a Rowe Ami 100 cd. It's a bit battered and bought not working. Managed to get up and running due to a loose wire. However today when I powered it up it wouldn't work. Basically the disc span for a short while then stops. It won't move the loader and it's saying no errors exist? I'm not very electrically minded so please be patient. Andy.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 12, 2016, 05:12:15 am
Hello Andy,

Welcome to the forum.

I suggest that you make sure all of the molex plugs that go to the boards in your jukebox are fully seated. MAKE SURE YOU DO THIS WITH THE JUKEBOX OFF OR THE SERVICE SWITCH INTO THE OFF POSITION

Once you have established that the plugs are all good. Check the Power Supply Unit that all of the leds are lit.

To be honest that is about as far you can go with your limited knowledge, have you bought the correct manual for your jukebox. If you have read it (a number of times) so you can be familiar with the terms used for the parts, their location and the programming of the jukebox.

What country do you live in, this will aid us so we can suggest where to send your boards for testing/repair.

You need to know which laser/mechanism is fitted to your jukebox, it will be a CDM-3, CDM-4, CDM-12 or CD-PRO with the suitable mechanism control/decoder.

Is your mechanism the open basket type or is it the earlier type with the separation wires between each CD? the later were modified to prevent damage to the CD's (which were loosing their track information).

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lurch on February 21, 2016, 05:40:27 pm
Does anyone know about the remote power connection in the R-92's?   Is this for powering up something external or for powering on/off the jukebox itself?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 23, 2016, 06:14:30 am
Hello Lurch,

What are you regarding as the remote power connections?

Are you talking about the mains switch on the back of the power supply? If so this switch switches off the Service 110/120volt socket and the 28 volts AC, 28 volts DC & 8 volts DC. the amplifier 110/120 volt socket remains live!

Or are you talking about the P502 socket that supplies the low voltage power rails to the jukebox?

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ROWE AMI RI-1G on February 23, 2016, 05:55:02 pm
Hi I have a Rowe AMI RI-G1
It has never played a record just sat in the corner for a year as a repairable machine. Thought I had better get on here and seek some help getting it going.
.it powers up
.lights up
.Speakers have a signal going to them.
.Selector buttons depress and engage.
There is no movement in the carousel and the record selector or needle arm don't move all I get is a low electrical hum. 
Opening the glass lid there is a square box on the left hand side with a lever on the top. When I move it to the scan front position the carousel turns freely and in the centre off position it stops. In the rear position nothing occurs.

Any ideas what's wrong?
Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 24, 2016, 06:34:20 am
Hi Steve,

Asking what is wrong is like asking how long is a piece of string.
I have replied to your email to check out the power supply for blown fuses, you need to check the connections to the mechanism and the search unit etc.

If you do not have the manual you need to purchase one so we can best direct you where to follow the wiring on the jukebox.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: danboyle on March 12, 2016, 06:46:33 pm
Hi AMI man.  I live in San Francisco, USA, and recently acquired a working MM2.  Bought the manual and decided to attempt to "clean" the selector pins.  After pulling the whole wheel/motor assy out of the unit, I realized the dis-assembly was more than I had time for, so reinstalled it and plugged it back in.  Of course now it won't work.  Basically, the selector buttons work, the selector wheel spins, I believe the proper pins are being fired out, but the record wheel doesn't rotate, and that's the end of things.  I can "scan"(rotate the wheel) using the lever, but in the on position, nothing happens after the selection process.  Checked fuses, and obvious wiring connectors, but to no avail.  Any thoughts would be appreciated!  Thanks!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 14, 2016, 05:58:45 am
Hi Dan,

Welcome to the forum.

I suggest that you clean the open contacts on the S1 & S2 relays on the search unit. Pull a paper taper between the contacts (open & closed) to clean the tips of the contacts, check by manual operation of the relays that the contacts open and close correctly and that there is pressure on the contacts when closed.

Do not use any cleaning or contact spray on the contacts or any form of lubrication on the pins on the search unit, the best way is to strip the rear of the search unit down and clean all the parts in warm soapy water, dry off and reassemble.

While you are cleaning relays, on the keyboard is R1 & R5, these contacts need cleaning also, use your paper taper again through all of these contacts.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Daveorr on March 14, 2016, 10:00:40 am
Hi All,
This my first time on any forum so please tell me if I go wrong,
I am English retired and living in Spain I have bought an AMI Cadette Jukebox Model CMM1 totally none working and have challenged myself to restore if to its former glory, as a Motor Mechanic in a previous life I have a knowledge of mechanics but not electronics but i am enjoying learning.
I have removed and tested the junction box and that is working fine with the correct voltage at each fuse when I manually enter credits it shorts out I have found it is a cable on the credit unit that has been repaired before with a bridge wire, facing the credit unit it is the third cable from the right (Brown) and leads to the three way switch on the Scan control after that I am lost, trying the credit price switches in all positions it still shorts out when the credit unit turns and the wipers make a connection.
Also is it possible to work the jukebox without the credit unit in by having the scan switch in the off position until I get another one.
I don't want to ask too much at once but would appreciate any help you can give.
Many thanks Dave
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: danboyle on March 14, 2016, 01:09:21 pm
Thank you so much, Alan!  I was not prepared for how insanely complicated the mechanism is, and how vague the manual is (like a lot of professional workshop manuals, I know).  It assumes you know a lot about the technical names, locations, and functions of the components before you even open the book.  I'm slowly figuring out what/where things are by staring at the drawings, and then poking around the machine.

It does seem logical that an electrical component between the search unit and the record magazine has suddenly dropped out, but since it was working before, and I didn't really "do anything" except take it the whole thing out, and then put it back into the cabinet, I was having trouble figuring out where to even start.  So thanks for the suggestions.  Also, in going back and thinking about what I touched in the process, I remembered that I did absentmindedly reconnect the main connector to the search unit with the power on, and heard what sounded like relays fire.  Was that potentially damaging to something?  Really appreciate your help, Alan!  As technicians seem to be disappearing from Earth, the AMI Rowe community is very lucky to have you around.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 15, 2016, 10:45:20 am
Hi All,
This my first time on any forum so please tell me if I go wrong,
I am English retired and living in Spain I have bought an AMI Cadette Jukebox Model CMM1 totally none working and have challenged myself to restore if to its former glory, as a Motor Mechanic in a previous life I have a knowledge of mechanics but not electronics but i am enjoying learning.
I have removed and tested the junction box and that is working fine with the correct voltage at each fuse when I manually enter credits it shorts out I have found it is a cable on the credit unit that has been repaired before with a bridge wire, facing the credit unit it is the third cable from the right (Brown) and leads to the three way switch on the Scan control after that I am lost, trying the credit price switches in all positions it still shorts out when the credit unit turns and the wipers make a connection.
Also is it possible to work the jukebox without the credit unit in by having the scan switch in the off position until I get another one.
I don't want to ask too much at once but would appreciate any help you can give.
Many thanks Dave

Hello Dave,

Welcome to the forum.

It might be an idea to contact me direct if you need a service switch, It should be the rotory/lever type on your jukebox. If you remove the plug that goes to your coin mechanism this will eliminate shorted out coin fingers that could be shorting out the credit unit, again we could supply you a credit unit to suit your jukebox, we would just need a picture of the connections to your credit unit being as there is more than one type used.

Just send me a personal message with your email address and we can take it from there.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 15, 2016, 10:54:19 am
Thank you so much, Alan!  I was not prepared for how insanely complicated the mechanism is, and how vague the manual is (like a lot of professional workshop manuals, I know).  It assumes you know a lot about the technical names, locations, and functions of the components before you even open the book.  I'm slowly figuring out what/where things are by staring at the drawings, and then poking around the machine.

It does seem logical that an electrical component between the search unit and the record magazine has suddenly dropped out, but since it was working before, and I didn't really "do anything" except take it the whole thing out, and then put it back into the cabinet, I was having trouble figuring out where to even start.  So thanks for the suggestions.  Also, in going back and thinking about what I touched in the process, I remembered that I did absentmindedly reconnect the main connector to the search unit with the power on, and heard what sounded like relays fire.  Was that potentially damaging to something?  Really appreciate your help, Alan!  As technicians seem to be disappearing from Earth, the AMI Rowe community is very lucky to have you around.

Hi Dan,

you should always switch the service switch to off before removing any plugs, You may have blown a fuse or tripped a breaker in the power supply (called a junction box in the manual).

The plug on the side of the search unit (on the earlier jukeboxes it was mounted on the top of the search unit PCB) this plastic molex plug does allow for some movement up and down on the PCB, you need to check that the connection pins are fully in line with the tracks on the PCB. Also look on the tracks on the PCB to make sure that none of the tracks from the connectors have and cracks in the PCB.

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Daveorr on March 15, 2016, 04:25:41 pm
Hi Alan,
Thanks for your reply I was interested to read your advice to Dan this could also be of help to me, I wish I had known you were able to supply parts I have already ordered a credit unit from ebay but at the moment it seems to have gone astray but I will know better in future, one thing I am missing is probably the most important item The Needle so if I can email you to order one that would be good so if you can let me know how I find your email address.
I have disconnected the plug from the coin mechanism but still every time I move the service switch to ON it shorts but the Scan will turn the magazine do you think it could be the rotary switch? if so I will send photo to order.
With the switch in the off position should this give free play?.
Also I am never able to get power at the selector buttons but I presume this is because the credit unit needs to do that is it possible to bypass that?.
This is certainly keeping me out of the local Spanish Bar.
Many Thanks
Dave
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 16, 2016, 07:39:38 am
Hi Dave,

I have sent you a PM.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: wise1 on March 21, 2016, 06:49:17 am
I have a very similar problem with MM3 scan, the mech will do all the right things to play a record but when there are no more selections to play, the scan wheel keeps turning and wont stop.
what switch or contact tells the scan to stop when there are no more selections to play? this is a work in progress. the gearing was out of sync  and needle and random cartridge wrong way round.
one problem at a time. The mech is in very good condition for its age. the amp is probably rooted though. when I turn the juke on the scan wheel keeps turning.

Richard

Sorry for the delay, inspection found a long 75mm broken plastic that seems to be operated from the scan wheel ( the small plastic wheel that tensions a spring around its self ) I assume that when fully loaded this will move the  long plastic bit  down and hit the stop switch. I still have to pull it apart but looks like it might have been glued at some time.
I will let you know once I have a better look at it.

Cheers,
 Richard

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: RollingStone on March 21, 2016, 01:55:17 pm
hey ami-man, hello to the others,

anybody have an idea if the cd100tomp3 adapter works for the "normal" rowe/ami cd 100, too? cdadapter.com says, it includes support for CD100A through CD100E and any other jukebox with the 408322xx control unit.
is the "normal" cd 100 based on the 408322xx CCC?

thank you!



Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 22, 2016, 12:45:38 pm
Hi RollingStone,

Sorry you did not leave a name.

If memory serves me correctly the program chip needs to be a 3.00 or above.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: RollingStone on March 22, 2016, 04:19:29 pm
Hi RollingStone,

Sorry you did not leave a name.

If memory serves me correctly the program chip needs to be a 3.00 or above.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

hey,

okay. an the cd100 isn't 3.00 or above?


when i read this, it looks like its working:
http://kellykeeton.com/2014/05/01/rowe-ami-cd-100-jukebox/ (http://kellykeeton.com/2014/05/01/rowe-ami-cd-100-jukebox/)

although he writes its a "CD100A", i think its a "normal" CD100.

the"real" CD100A should have only two silver horizontal ledges on the bottom in front of the speakers, like here:
http://auctionimages.s3.amazonaws.com/78527/62520/52122418.jpg (http://auctionimages.s3.amazonaws.com/78527/62520/52122418.jpg)

the "normal" CD100 has three ledges.

you know what i mean?

greetings
phil
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jdemarti on March 23, 2016, 08:03:54 pm
You have to check the Eprom version on your Central Control Computer.  On the top, left part of the CCC is an opening in the case exposing the Eprom.  On the chip should be a label that indicates the version that is programmed in it.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: RollingStone on April 01, 2016, 09:18:57 am
You have to check the Eprom version on your Central Control Computer.  On the top, left part of the CCC is an opening in the case exposing the Eprom.  On the chip should be a label that indicates the version that is programmed in it.

thank you very much! i'll have a look at this.

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: RollingStone on April 03, 2016, 07:21:30 pm
hey all,

got two old cd 100s. :-)
eprom v 2.1 and v 2.5.

anyone who would sell a newer eprom version to me?

....
i attached two pictures from one box. can you tell me whats the function of these units are?

think the first is a official ami/rowe update kit, which can be used for leveling the autoplay volume different to the user-selected song volume?

the second can be connected via cable to the "service" slot at the power supply. is this a component for printer connection?

thank you! phil
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on April 05, 2016, 03:45:38 am
i think you are right on both accounts.

there is a background music kit (like for playing radio or other sound source when not playing CD's). this would allow you to adjust the volume of the inputs to match.

the other does look like the serial printer connection.

as for your ROM, i'm not sure... I think some country have different ROM data and need to be programmed for instance, so the coin currency gets counted correctly...but i'm not sure. someone here may be able to upload the data here if you can find someone locally to you to reprogram the chip.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 05, 2016, 09:12:27 am
Hello Phil,

The control you have there for controlling background music was made by Mam in Play in the UK when they had the distributorship of Rowe Ami in the late 80's early 90's.

The Rowe Ami Background Music Volume Control Kit part number 21639701 with board number 40797001 was similar to the Mam unit but featured two relays.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: RollingStone on April 06, 2016, 10:14:11 am
thanks to you.

i found several people who would sell the suitable eprom chip with the updated CCC 40832220 to me. one even with the latest CCC 40832225. so i guess this problem will be fixed within a short time.
----

for which purpose has the printer connection been used?

anyone have an idea where i can get a (wiring) manual for the MAM background music kit?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 06, 2016, 11:54:34 am
Hi Phil,

The printer port with no doubt be a serial port used at some time for collectors downloads when it was sited on location, we never got into that area when we operated machines, we just rented them.

I think it will be very unlikely that you will find information for the MAM background volume control, they used to incorporate it with a microphone interface as well, I do not have any of their drawings at all.

I do have some of their microphone units and I have the full Rowe Ami background kit (new old stock, complete) with a ream of instructions.

If your CCC has the smaller program chip and the dill socket has no extra pins (there are four extra pins on the later program chips) then you would have to replace the dill socket.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: RollingStone on April 06, 2016, 01:14:02 pm
The printer port with no doubt be a serial port used at some time for collectors downloads when it was sited on location, we never got into that area when we operated machines, we just rented them.

I think it will be very unlikely that you will find information for the MAM background volume control, they used to incorporate it with a microphone interface as well, I do not have any of their drawings at all.

I do have some of their microphone units and I have the full Rowe Ami background kit (new old stock, complete) with a ream of instructions.

If your CCC has the smaller program chip and the dill socket has no extra pins (there are four extra pins on the later program chips) then you would have to replace the dill socket.

hi!

thank you.

yes, i'm currently having three 40832201 CCCs with only 28 pin eprom socket.
in fact i have such particular 32-pin IC-sockets but one said that there can occur problems if i only replace the socket.
i read about some transistors and capacities that should be changed as well.

so, i will get a original 40832220/-25 and hope it will run well.

phil
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: bbmal on April 10, 2016, 09:24:17 pm
Hi,
I recently purchased a Rowe Ami Cadette CMM1.
It was in use but never maintained by the prvious owner for 20 years but following advice from lurking on this forum I purchased a proper manual and sparingly lubricated relevant locations and the jukebox has been working fine.
However I recently turned it on and everything is functioning except no sound, so I referred to the manual and it refers to a stereo amplifier but my cadette is an Australian model which is fitted with the R2255A mono amp, which is not in the manual I purchased?
On the front of the amp it says to use R-2253A pre amp and L-5771A driver cards only, but a look inside reveals a R-2254 pre amp and a L-5772 driver.
I have a reasonable electronics knowledge but without the correct schematics I am flying blind, do I need to purchase a different manual to find these?
Given the age of this juke should I be replacing the caps etc anyway in this amp while I am at it?
Is there something else I should be checking before blaming the amp maybe?

any help appreciated
Mal
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 11, 2016, 08:05:05 am
Hi Mal,

Welcome to the forum, from your right up I assume that you are in Australia? If so can you edit your profile to reflect what country you reside in. This information helps with where to advise you where to get spare parts or help.

The amplifier you have in your jukebox is the Mono Amplifier and the board numbers that you say are in it are correct.

Sorry but even I do not have a schematic for this amplifier.

I do not advice just changing caps for the sake of it, inspect them and to be honest there is not many in this amplifier chassis.

I would however check out the larger wattage resistors for their values. Check out the power rails most Rowe Ami are +35 volts DC and -35 volts.

Your main issue will the driver board that will have signs of overheating on the paxalin board, most I have seen have had solder flowed on all of the tracks.

My advice would be to look for a replacement amplifier such as the 64 watt R2179A (601-02179 USA number) this stereo amplifier would be more or less a straight replacement with regards to its connections and a far better amplifier.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: bbmal on April 11, 2016, 09:38:29 am
Alan,
Thanks for your reply. I had set my location in my profile, not sure why it is not showing up, but yes I am in Australia.
The amplifier you mentioned as a replacement R2179A - is it 240 volt?
That is the other problem I face being in Australia, that I need to source a 240 volt amp, although the original manual refers to everything being 110 volt.
I thought that may be difficult which is why I was going down the track of a repair.
I might investigate replacement options but I may just have to start drawing out the schematic by hand?
I will check the areas you suggested when time permits, but it might not be for several days.
Thanks again
Mal
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 12, 2016, 11:39:33 am
Hello Mal,

Most if not all jukebox amplifiers are 110 to 117 volts AC be they be Rowe Ami, Rock Ola or Seeburg.

The amplifier takes its power supply from the jukebox power supply (junction box).

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: RollingStone on April 12, 2016, 08:17:52 pm
so, i got one cd-100 running! :)

there is currently only one problem left and that's the keyboard.
i can draw on two various keyboards, one has a broken "0" key and the other a broken "popular". but in general both keyboards run very cumbersome. Mostly i have to enter the same key many times before it's signal gets sent to the CCC.

i fixed the "0" key problem a little bit via soldering one solder point from the "0" key a little wider to the circuit line. but it's difficult.

phil
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Zeosstud on April 26, 2016, 11:17:26 pm
Hi, I have aquired an R91 that has an issue.  It plays about 75% of a song, then starts to skip, if you put a little pressure on it, song will finish, next one loads up and same thing.  Any thoughts on that. Please excuse me if this has been answered 100 times, I just started looking. TY

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Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on April 27, 2016, 01:28:31 pm
for start, make sure the tone arm pivot points are nice and clean and the arm can move freely. make sure the wires aren't holding it back. make sure your needle is set proper. (some where modified with cartridges that have needles that flip to accommodate 78's and 45's)

as a last resort, on the tone arm it should have an adjustment at the end where it pivots to adjust the cartridge pressure. you are going to want to nudge that a 1/4 turn at a time until it tracks properly.

usually cleaning and properly lubing seems to fix tracking issues 90% of the time though.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: geduk on May 13, 2016, 03:12:36 pm
R86 problems

Hi guys would love a hint/ help  where to look!

I have been having a problem with my R86 for a while now it would not play my selections when keyed in unless I powered down the machine then restarted then it would start playing the previously made selections (this tells me that the selection part is working and its remembering what I input to play )   interestingly after the machine warmed up it would let me make new selections without a power reset

then on my most resent use of the machine it didn't seam to want to let me make new selections without a reset and

then the turn table started stop starting while playing the record

the above two problems may or may not be related and im guessing it a ccc problem having looked at the mech board as its got very little and isolated circuit to make the turntable turn 

any hits/help would be helpful

thanks

Ged
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 16, 2016, 06:22:50 am
Hello Ged,

I see that you are in the UK.

I suggest that you get in contact with me regarding the testing/repair of your boards.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

alan-hood@datex.co.uk
0114 247 0242
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: prb113 on May 16, 2016, 09:36:55 pm
Hello all,

We have a Rowe TI-2 that my wife inherited from her father. It has worked well and sounded great for years until this week. When the unit is powered on, the turntable keeps rotating. The reset button does not work to stop it and move to the next selection.   

I have the TI-2 repair manual, but this issue is not covered in troubleshooting, so I thought I'd post here before guessing about where to start. I searched through this thread, but did not see anyone posting about this exact issue.

Thanks,
Phil
Madison, WI, USA
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 18, 2016, 06:47:44 am
Hi Phil,

Is a record on the turntable or are you saying that the turntable keeps revolving? and if the former is correct that pressing the reject button (record cancel) does not reject the record.

If the above is true then I would check that none of the circuit breakers have tripped on the power supply (junction box) It would be the 30 volts DC that may have tripped.

If you have both 30 volts DC & 30 volts AC at the power supply, then check to make sure that these voltages are present at the service switch and at the mechanism.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: prb113 on June 11, 2016, 07:47:10 pm
Alan,

It was a circuit breaker. I'll keep an eye on it and see if it is a symptom of something else or just a one time thing.

You sure saved me a lot of time, as I never even thought about checking internal circuit breakers. It is much appreciated!

Best Regards,
Phil
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Sabian on June 14, 2016, 07:39:27 pm
I have a R-85 that worked perfect until I had unplugged it for at least a year. When I turned it back on, the magazine won't turn and the display just shows 100 without changing when you enter a selection number. It turns freely when you press the lever, also sounds like it's getting power because I hear a hum when you press the scan and cancel push button on the turntable during service mode. Also the mag light is on when the service switch is set to on, any help would be appreciated....thanks! 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tarascon on June 15, 2016, 03:33:08 pm
HELLO my name is matias from Argentina
i buy a juckelbox cd100c but y have prblems whit the sound, listening little
the machine work, but the sound its to slow and bad, so y chek potency and have fusses burned, y change, but when plug burn again,
 can change the fuses , and disconnect everything and go turn on the machine by plugging  one by one to see whwere is the breakdown voltage?  or its a bad idea turn on and plug
can anybody helpme
what I must look?
regards
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on June 15, 2016, 05:59:35 pm
if amplifier fuses you are talking about (8A on back side of amplifier.) the transistors need to be replace. they are no good and causing fuse to burn. you can buy a kit to replace them all. like so:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROWE-AMI-JUKEBOX-AMPLIFIER-REPAIR-VINYL-MODELS-R74-TO-R94-CD-CD-100A-TO-H-/321161971887 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROWE-AMI-JUKEBOX-AMPLIFIER-REPAIR-VINYL-MODELS-R74-TO-R94-CD-CD-100A-TO-H-/321161971887)

or buy the transistor from local shop and replace them. There are 2 of the 2N6287 transistors and 2 of the 2N6284 transistors type. they must not be mixed up when replace.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tarascon on June 15, 2016, 08:01:46 pm
hello ami man
matias from argentina
i have a rowe cd100c serial 90495
i have problem with amp the fusse burn, change and burn, the jukebox sound slow
my question is whether one of the legs of the transistors has to continue with the same housing(mother)?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on June 16, 2016, 10:33:00 am
no, the transistor case must be isolated from the housing. (big metal heatsink)

the transistor has a clear insulator under it to keep it from touching. (called "mica") if the insulator damaged or missing then the transistor case touching the metal and cause short.

look like this:

http://www.mecint.co.uk/Item/107 (http://www.mecint.co.uk/Item/107)

they allow the transistor to not overheat, but also not touch the metal.


the transistors in your amp are bad and will need to be replaced. the fuses protect other circuit from damage when transistor goes bad.

usually wrong external speaker connection or short on the amp output cause transistor damage like this. they are very sensitive to how speakers are connected. too many or wrong connection will cause damage.

when replacing transistor you must also make sure to remove and replace mica insulator or new transistor damaged also.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: toptimmy13 on June 22, 2016, 10:52:59 pm
Hi,

I recently found a ROWE AMI Model CTI-1 at a garage sale for $50.  Don't know if this is a worthwhile project and am new to this. 

Everything seems to work fine except this:  the motor seems to switch back and forth between 33 and 45 speeds. I think anyway.  It works fine for a while, then slows down in speed. 

Any advice?

Tim
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 23, 2016, 06:27:22 am
Hello Tim,

Welcome to the forum.

The Rowe Ami CTI-1 Crestwood was produced in 1974.

Do you have a mixture of dinked and undinked  (large and small hole) records on the jukebox?
If you have this is why it is playing at 33.3 (small hole records) 45 for dinked records, to defeat this on the lefthand side of the mechanism (looking at the front of the jukebox) you will see the Speed Shift solenoid (202-11505), if you remove one of the spade connections from this solenoid it will not left the idler wheel linkage up & down on the turntable motor shaft.

The way it will now work is to play dinked & undinked records at 45 rpm.
If the record has a small hole in it it will activate the trip wire in the turntable hub, this wire activates the micro switch and the hub solenoid drops out so the record can sit on the rubber mat.
A record with the larger dinked hole just goes over the raised hub, the trip wire does not operate and the hub solenoid remains energized.

I hope the above helps you.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: supermandamnfool on July 20, 2016, 04:05:16 am
Hello, this is my only hope. I've got a rowe AMI TI-1 Monte Carlo. After problems with keys I had to drill out the locks. The cabinet door opened 2 times afterwards easily with a screwdriver. I haven't been able to get it open since the last time I closed it. I've searched the manual but there's no section that covers the locks. How can I get this thing open again so i can fix the lock? Thanks. :angry:
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on July 28, 2016, 09:06:58 am
You can open it by using wedges and screwdrivers between the top  (title glass door) and lower front door.

T objective is to see the arrowhead catches so you can slide them across one at a time with a screwdriver.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: youngfoot on July 28, 2016, 11:39:31 am
Hi Alan - you helped me with the lighting on my R86 a few years ago and now I'm back asking for more help!

Currently unable to play anything on my R86. When I pour on the unit all lighting comes on and on the front control panel only the 'make selection' light is on with now numerals showing. on the CCC 'record number' and 'times selected' are showing 0 and the '8 VDC' lamp is lit.

if i press reset on the front panel the numerals show '100'.

if i make a selection the number is shown but nothing else happens - no action from the carousel mechanism or turntable.

if I press and hold the reset button on the back of the unit (next to vol control) the carousel turns. when I release the reset button the carousel stops immediately. The same thing happens when I press and hold the 'scan and cancel' button by the turntable.

any thoughts?

regards
Bob
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on July 29, 2016, 08:33:43 am
Hello Bob,

What you describe only happens when the service switch is in the service position.
Make sure that the service switch is turned to ON.

If it is in the one position them my guess is that the switch is faulty and you require another one.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: dkazz1 on July 29, 2016, 11:23:45 am
Hello and greetings

I have a Rowe/AMI Storm Jukebox that is working fine, however all of the sudden all of the florescent lighting went out on it (neon is still lit up fine)

I'm guessing there is some sort of starter ballast that went out on it?

Any source for that or can you send me a picture of the part needed to be replaced?

Thanks

Dan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: dkazz1 on July 29, 2016, 12:41:07 pm
I also noticed that at startup, the bill acceptor all of the sudden sounds like it's not getting enough power (it's a 115 VAC bill acceptor) - Not sure if the two problems are related but just noting for completeness.  ;D
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: youngfoot on July 29, 2016, 03:20:59 pm
thanks for quick response Alan. Have I git it right that the service switch is on the left hand side down by the 'corner' of the cover? if so it is in the ON position. tried putting it in OFF and then SERV and then back to ON but no joy.

Is this a repairable item or is it a replacement? can it be bypassed in the short term?

thanks again

Bob
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ed12 on July 29, 2016, 04:19:36 pm
alans answer for the service s/w position should fix the play problem u talk about.
biil accepter grind is normal :reset function: of the :dba:,how ever with the service switch stuck
it dose mean the box is truly in service mode
hence the dba will go to rest :lights off:

ed
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: youngfoot on July 30, 2016, 08:48:30 am
thanks Ed
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tnitty on August 01, 2016, 10:45:42 am
Hi,

I just picked up a Rowe MM-2. I get home power up made a selection and it went through the whole process of picking a record placed on turntable and that was it. No spinning. I hit the cancel button and it put the record back.

Now when i make a selection the search unit board keeps spinning and wont stop until i turn the machine off. The manual says to "Check relay R for proper operation". I do not see anything labeled relay R

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am still very new to Jukeboxes. I have tinkered with pinball's and arcades but this is my first jukebox.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tnitty on August 01, 2016, 12:39:56 pm
Also forgot to mention it did come with a Phono Vue projector that I do not have hooked up. Not sure if this needs to be hooked up for everything work properly. I have attached some pictures
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: dkazz1 on August 03, 2016, 07:40:24 am
Hello and greetings

I have a Rowe/AMI Storm Jukebox that is working fine, however all of the sudden all of the florescent lighting went out on it (neon is still lit up fine)

I'm guessing there is some sort of starter ballast that went out on it?

Any source for that or can you send me a picture of the part needed to be replaced?

Thanks

Dan

Problem solved. Found the electronic ballast which is cleverly hidden behind the mechanism and a screen to make the player look more aesthetically pleasing.  Pulled it apart and one of the 1 amp slo blo fuses was blown. Replaced and now is working fine again. 😀
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on August 04, 2016, 08:32:05 am
Hello tnitty,

Welcome to the forum.

Relay R is the relay on the lefthand side of the mechanism (lookong from the front of the jukebox) it can be a plug in relay on the later 1100 mechanisms but on the earlier mechanism s it was a wired in relay.

Check the relay for burn mars on the contacts if your is the open type relay then clean with a paper taper pulled beteen the contacts to clean the tips of the contacts. I would also do the same to the open relays on the keyboard (they are under a plastic cover) these relays are R1 and R5 in your manual. also clean the open relays on the Search Unit S1 & S2.

Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: youngfoot on August 30, 2016, 01:40:03 pm
Hi Alan - just reposting my followup questions on problem with my R86 which you thought were due to the service switch. Grateful for any advice.

Bob

thanks for quick response Alan. Have I git it right that the service switch is on the left hand side down by the 'corner' of the cover? if so it is in the ON position. tried putting it in OFF and then SERV and then back to ON but no joy.

Is this a repairable item or is it a replacement? can it be bypassed in the short term?

thanks again

Bob
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 01, 2016, 10:16:44 am
Hello Bob,

If you have got a meter that reads AC & DC, you can check the power supply rails from the power supply through the service switch and down to the 9 pin Molex plug on the mechanism framework.

A black or black/white is common
Red or red/wite is 28 volts DC
Yellow or Yellow/black is 28 volts AC
Brown or brown/white is 8 volts DC

On your power supply here are the connections:-

Pin 1 8 volts DC
Pin 2 8 volts DC
Pin 3 KEY
Pin 4 28 volts DC
Pin 5 28 volts AC
Pin 6 28 volts AC
Pin 7 Common (AC & DC)
Pin 8 Common
Pin 9 Common

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: youngfoot on September 02, 2016, 12:32:27 pm
many thanks alan - will give it a go!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: youngfoot on September 08, 2016, 03:37:05 am
morning Alan - going to have to show my ignorance now!!!! is the key pin on the molex the one with the small plastic lug sticking out? and if thats pin 3 do I assume its 2 then 1 to the left and 4-6 in next row etc?

also (this will make you cringe I'm sure!!) - when measuring do I go from a common to the pin I'm measuring with the meter? can it be any common?

some of my boring colours seem to differ from above - looks like some orange and orange brown in there!

grateful for all assistance!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 08, 2016, 06:18:47 am
Good morning Bob,

On these power supplies the loom that goes into the power supply, the key should be a plug of plastic in the location of pin 3.

Yes you can use any of the common conections at pins 7, 8 & 9.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: youngfoot on September 09, 2016, 10:19:36 am
Thanks Alan - I've metered at the power supply and readings were as expected against your pinouts above.

I then reconnected the harness to the psu and then disconnected the harness at the 9 pin molex and metered there - again all readings seemed fine based on the wire colours.

This seems to say that the service switch is ok. your thoughts and next steps?

many thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tgmilazzo on September 22, 2016, 07:36:44 pm
Sorry if I'm wrong but thought maybe this was the correct place to post my message instead of in the general jukebox forum, could really use some help!

Hey Guys,
New to this forum, thanks in advance for any help. I recently bought a CD100-c used to convert over to hard drive/MP3 setup. After I bought it I noticed I wasn't getting any sound out of the left speakers. Thought maybe the amp had a bad channel, if I switched the inputs into the amp I could still only get sound out of the right side. Did a couple of weeks of reading posts here and on other forums and messing around with it. Bought a replacement amp off Ebay and still had the exact same problem. At some point I did something and now I'm only getting sound out of the left side, I know it's stupid but I have no idea what I did to get the sound over there. Now I know all the speakers work but I can't get sound to both sides at once or even back over to just the right side. Really stumped and have forgotten alot of what I learned because I went out of town and wasn't able to work on it for the last week or two. Any help on where to start narrowing down the problem would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Tony
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on September 22, 2016, 07:51:52 pm
double check you have the pink/purple/black wires connected to the terminal speaker strips.  you should have a bundle of the three with the black on one of the E1 connections, and a pink on one of the E7 connections and a purple on the other E7 connection.

double check you have your jumper set for single volume control (if using the rear control) on the connections terminal strip. from the left, you should have an empty spot, the jumper jumping position 2 and 3 along with your red volume pot lead and then the black volume pot lead on the "common" position in 4

(i believe...going from memory here)

you may have an issue with your crossover. it's not uncommon for vibrations to break connections on the crossover. double check your solder on the back side and look to see if the coils connections are not broken.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tgmilazzo on September 22, 2016, 09:39:13 pm
Thanks,

The purple/pink/black all look good as do the red/black/ jumper.

Some questions
      -I didn't see an actual jumper when I got it, what does it look like? A piece of metal that would slide into two posts? I just made a jumper out of a piece of wire to go between the appropriate posts

      - I tried swapping the pink and purple wires If pink is connected to left side of terminal sound comes out of right upper speakers. If purple is connected to left side then sound comes out of left upper speakers. If both are connected properly nothing comes out of right side. If I connect either wire to right side terminal strips I get no sound.

     -With the black ground wire removed from the terminal strip I still hear bass and as near as I can tell from feeling the woofers I am getting sound from both sides down there.

     - The sound is pretty loud even with the volume turned all the way down, I've moved the pink and purple to the E3 connections to make it bearable to work on, is this normal?

     -I unscrewed the crossover and looked at the back and it looks ok but I'm not really sure what it would look like if a connection was broken, I'm guessing a crack in the soldering back there but I'm not sure. Is the another way to test the crossover?

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 26, 2016, 05:40:01 am
I suspect that one side of amplifier is down.
This can be easily tested by the use of extension speaker wired directly to the phono output socket on the amplifier, the plug that goes into this socket goes up to the Output Package, it should have Pink & Purple on the two outer connections with two black cables in the middle two connections.

Connect on the socket with a clour and a black, if you are not getting an output on one of the channels then the amp is down on one side or you have the volume contrl connected incorectly, to test this at full volume remove the plug from the amplifier and make up a test lead shorting out pins 1, 3 & 5.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on September 26, 2016, 12:12:24 pm
it's entirely possible an incorrect hookup has damaged the amplifier. did you have any additional speakers attached to the jukebox after you purchased the new amp? these amps are very finicky regarding how speakers are hooked up to it...it's really easy to damage the output on them with improper speaker load connection.

      -I didn't see an actual jumper when I got it, what does it look like? A piece of metal that would slide into two posts? I just made a jumper out of a piece of wire to go between the appropriate posts

yes, that's correct. it's normally a metal plate that slides under and screws down. a wire will do just fine. for a single volume control, you need to have position 1 open... position 2 and 3 shorted together and also your red wire from your volume pot connected here as well... then the black from your pot on the 4th position.

if you were doing a dual volume or a stereo pot. your jumper would be instead shorting position 1 and 2 with the jumper as well as your 1st volume pot wire ....your second volume red wire on 3 (no jumper) and your black grounds on 4.


      - I tried swapping the pink and purple wires If pink is connected to left side of terminal sound comes out of right upper speakers. If purple is connected to left side then sound comes out of left upper speakers. If both are connected properly nothing comes out of right side. If I connect either wire to right side terminal strips I get no sound.

so if you put all 3 wires on one side, (for example black on E1 and a pink on E6 and the purple on E7) you get sound, but if you put them on the other side you don't?


     -With the black ground wire removed from the terminal strip I still hear bass and as near as I can tell from feeling the woofers I am getting sound from both sides down there.

this is normal. it's common to feel vibrations in both speakers even if one side isn't working since they share a common air space in the subwoofer box. (one speaker movement will drive the other.) you would have to physically remove and disconnect the speaker to test this.

     - The sound is pretty loud even with the volume turned all the way down, I've moved the pink and purple to the E3 connections to make it bearable to work on, is this normal?
your volume connection on the amp may be upside down. it's the white and purple wires that plug into the lower middle of the amp. the purple wire should be towards the front of the cabinet. you might also have an improper volume pot. The pot should be a 10k ohm LOGARITHMIC pot that is designed for audio... not a standard linear pot. this would result in a volume control that is super twitchy... you turn up the volume and there is nothing nothing nothing then BLAM! super loud.

     -I unscrewed the crossover and looked at the back and it looks ok but I'm not really sure what it would look like if a connection was broken, I'm guessing a crack in the soldering back there but I'm not sure. Is the another way to test the crossover?

not much to test. a crack would look kind of like this...
(http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/mainrelayoperation/james.jpg)

they aren't super obvious. The coils are big and heavy and sometimes the wire will break off from vibration. you should be able to put a meter on each side
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tgmilazzo on September 29, 2016, 03:41:37 pm
OK,
So i checked the amp per your suggestion and it seems to be out on one side, although the phono output plug looks like this on mine with brown/white on top then two blacks then green on bottom. It does seem to go up to the output package though.


I guess when both amps had one side down I assumed it had to be something else.
 -Is there anyway to pull the good board from the other amp and replace the the bad board?
 
To respond to the other question I never had both the pink and purple on the same side at the same time if I swap sides with the pink and purple the sound moves from one side to the other.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 30, 2016, 06:26:54 am
I would not recommend changing the driver boards over unless you test the output transistors first, you will need a transistor tester in order to do this.

I would recommend that you send your Rowe Ami amplifier to a specialist for a proffessional repair.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: bruceboss on October 01, 2016, 04:47:11 pm
Hi,I have several rowe 92 cd combo boxes.The computer goes into programming mode as soon as it goes into service mode[the service switch has been changed to a toggle switch as the factory one always seemed to fail when the boxes were out on location].They will play by coining up etc. but can not initalize etc. as programming mode locks me out of that funtion.So any ideas how to bypass or something?Thanks! Bruce
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 03, 2016, 06:51:32 am
Hi Bruce,

It sounds as if the CCC has an error 1 or error 4.
You will need to check the battery voltage, it is 3 volts and change it if neccessary. After you may need to go to factory settings.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: anderpal on October 03, 2016, 09:21:36 am
Hi, I ahve just picked up a Rowe AMI JEL-200 in need of restoring.
The main problem is the auto fix between 33 and 45 speed as the records are played at 33 speed now.
It seems the selector button also needs to be fixed.
Any hints or tips?

Anders
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 04, 2016, 06:27:50 am
Hello Anders,

You need to check the speed shift switch, it is the switch on the front support on the mechanism with the three braded wire loops.
If the switch tests out ok and the hub in the center of the turn table pops up prior to playing a record then it should play at 45, ifneeds be check the the idler wheel linkage is not jammed keeping it on the 33.3 speed spring on the turntable motor shaft.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: youngfoot on October 10, 2016, 04:52:06 am
Hi Alan - going back to posts in early September and if you have any other thoughts on problem with my R86?

many thanks
Bob

----------------------------------------------

Good morning Bob,

On these power supplies the loom that goes into the power supply, the key should be a plug of plastic in the location of pin 3.

Yes you can use any of the common conections at pins 7, 8 & 9.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

------------------------------------------------
Thanks Alan - I've metered at the power supply and readings were as expected against your pinouts above.

I then reconnected the harness to the psu and then disconnected the harness at the 9 pin molex and metered there - again all readings seemed fine based on the wire colours.

This seems to say that the service switch is ok. your thoughts and next steps?

many thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 10, 2016, 07:56:26 am
Hi Bob,

Going back to original topic you stated that the service switch is in the ON position but when you press any of the cancel buttons the mechanism/carousel rotates, can you confirm that it only rotates whilst you are holding down the cancel button? and that it stops on release, or does it keep scanning?

To be honest I think you have reached a point where you need to have the following tested:-

Central Control Computer (CCC)
Pricing Board (just under the CCC)
Mechanism Control
Opto switch
Looms P205 on Mechanism Control to P-105 on the CCC & the loom from the top connection of the Pricing Board to the Display and CCC P-100 & P-101

If you wish to send these to me for testing/repair please send me a PM for instructions.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: never0101 on October 13, 2016, 03:53:28 pm
Just posting again, i think my original post may have been lost in the shuffle.  I have a mostly working Rowe R-91 Jukebox.  Mechanically and musically it's great.  I need to replace the surrounds on the woofers due to surrounds deteriorating but that's minor.   My main question is in regards to the lighting.  There are a few fluorescent tubes inside, most of them work, the last one that doesnt work is a weird length short one that I just havent found a matching tube for.   However, there are small bulbs along the top and along the middle of the bottom inbetween the speaker grills that are supposed to flash according to videos i've seen, but they dont work.  The jukebox came wiht the full service technical manual but unless i'm missing something there are NO lighting schematics in there.   Is there a lighting controller somewhere inside or a common spot i can start my testing?  I can generally read a schematic and work a meter but with no schematic i'm lost!  Any help would rock.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 14, 2016, 06:59:13 am
Hi never0101,

In the amplifier compartment is the Lamp Control, Rowe Ami part number 40750103.

Check to see if this is present and working. The sound to light lamps on most of the Rowe Ami jukeboxes are the small black lampholders that are fitted with 14 volt minature wedge lamps.

Most of the faults on the lamp controllers are down to dry joints and fitting the incorect lamps, many people fit 12 lamps used in fruit machines, these being the incorrect voltage draw too much current.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: phesson on October 14, 2016, 10:49:31 am
Hello,
My name is Paul and I am the new owner of a 1986 Rowe Ami R90 Golden.  ;D
All in all it is in very good working order with only a few issues that need attention. I have purchased my Field Service Manual and Parts Catalog and have been familiarizing my self with the components.

When the unit powers up and the fluorescents are flickering on, I get loud pops and cracks through the speakers. This is my most pressing issue. I think i need to replace the ballasts and remove the starters? I see one ballast and two starters in the front door assembly and one and one in the top door assembly. Am I on the right track?
I would appreciate any advice.







Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on October 14, 2016, 12:09:32 pm
popping through the speakers is quite common. the arc used to strike the tube makes a huge electromagnetic pulse that is picked up in the amp and output to the speakers.

you can sometimes change the tubes and starters (make sure the starter has a noise suppression capacitor in it lot's of cheap ones don't) and that will tone it down considerably.

otherwise, you may consider alternative lighting solutions like led or more modern cold cathode style (starterless) fluorescent transformers.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: phesson on October 14, 2016, 10:07:07 pm
Thank you lilshawn.
I bought new starters. My local hardware store didn't carry ones with the noise suppression capacitors (I'll find some online) but the popping is greatly reduced already.


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Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on October 15, 2016, 01:43:31 pm
yeah, the way those starters work is by running a current through a bimetallic strip...causing a huge arc in the process. that arc is what you hear through the speakers.

you can still occasionally find them without suppression caps but most new modern starters have them (often called condensers)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: phesson on October 17, 2016, 11:12:51 am
Paul here again,

I have a question about programming and the memorec. I reset the "popular" list by hitting the reset button on the memorec in service mode, set the switch to on and played selection 100 then checked the memorec which shows 00 01 as the most popular selection. When I press the popular button on the main key pad, selection 136 begins playing :-[ Am I forgetting something or missing a step?

One last question, for now, at the end of the day when there are still many selections queued up and I am ready to shut down, is there a proper way to clear the selections before I power down?   
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 18, 2016, 05:53:42 am
Hi Paul,

Forgetting pressing the popular button.
If you select a range of records, lets say 100, 111, 123, 134, 145, etc does the jukebox select these correctly?
after selecting the above does it play them in sequence and then stop after the last selection?

Have you checked the battery voltage on the CCC (without power applied) it should be 2.4 volts, if less than this replace the battery.

On the CCC is Clear Selection Memory, this clears any selections remaining to be played from the memory.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: phesson on October 18, 2016, 08:20:45 pm
Thanks Alan.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: phesson on October 18, 2016, 08:51:36 pm
Hello Alan.

So I need to enter programming mode before I press the reset button on the the memorac and then press the popular key and exit programming mode? I had no luck with this. :o

It looks like I have a new/different CCC. The original part number is 4-07773-05. My CCC is part number 4-07773-12. I do not see a Clear Selection Memory button. (see photo)

It will play a wide range of selections in order and then stop afterward.

I will check the battery tomorrow.

Many thanks,

Paul




Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ed12 on October 18, 2016, 09:06:35 pm
right where the tape is
there is a small internal button
inset a small round tube (smaller then the hole) u will feel the button
push and count to 10

ed
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: phesson on October 19, 2016, 08:42:22 am
right where the tape is
there is a small internal button
inset a small round tube (smaller then the hole) u will feel the button
push and count to 10

ed
Tanks Ed,

The memorac resets and displays the correct selection number/number of plays in the display afterward... but when I press the popular button it plays a random selection and not the selection the memorac shows as the most popular.  ???

Paul
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 19, 2016, 10:12:07 am
Hello Alan.

So I need to enter programming mode before I press the reset button on the the memorac and then press the popular key and exit programming mode? I had no luck with this. :o

It looks like I have a new/different CCC. The original part number is 4-07773-05. My CCC is part number 4-07773-12. I do not see a Clear Selection Memory button. (see photo)

It will play a wide range of selections in order and then stop afterward.

I will check the battery tomorrow.

Many thanks,

Paul

Hi Paul,

Sorry for some reason I thought you were talking about the R-86.

The Clear Selection Memory was only featured on the two following ranges of jukeboxes.

R-80 to R-83 there was a clear memory button on the Memory Unit
R-84 to R-88 clear memory button on the CCC as I previously mentioned.

On the R-89 to R-94 this feature was not an option
The battery on the 4-07773 CCC 3 volt button cell with tags, I tend to replace these with a button cell holder.

In order to reset the memorec reset, you have to put the service switch into the SERVICE position.
Error codes can be read in the service position by entering 666, 699 clears all error codes.

If the programming code is the original then to get into programming put the service switch into service, press Popular and 000, if correct you will get three dashes on the display.

Free play is at location 27, if you wish the jukebox to be on free play type in 255 and then press popular.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: phesson on October 19, 2016, 11:00:00 am

The Clear Selection Memory was only featured on the two following ranges of jukeboxes.

R-80 to R-83 there was a clear memory button on the Memory Unit
R-84 to R-88 clear memory button on the CCC as I previously mentioned.

On the R-89 to R-94 this feature was not an option


In order to reset the memorec reset, you have to put the service switch into the SERVICE position.
Error codes can be read in the service position by entering 666, 699 clears all error codes.

If the programming code is the original then to get into programming put the service switch into service, press Popular and 000, if correct you will get three dashes on the display.

Regards
Alan

Thank you Alan,

I feel like a pest :embarassed:

Error codes are cleared.

1. When I am ready to power off the unit, I need to press the cancel button for each individual selection left in the play queue before shutting it off. My friends will load selections and it takes quite some time for the unit to load the record, then I press cancel and then repeat for each one.

3.  I am able to reset the memorac and clear the play counts. The memorac shows the correct play counts afterward but when I press the "Popular" button it seems to play a random selection. This has me confused.

Thank you,

Paul

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on October 19, 2016, 11:17:09 am
me thinks if the memory is clear and you press the popular button to play a track based on play data... with no data...  playing a random song would probably be appropriate.  possibly if invalid data is encountered it just picks one out at random to keep things going. know what i mean?

the computer isn't very smart... i mean it's smart... but can only work with the information it's given. lots of compromises are made for the sake of reliability for use out in the public... if that meant lying about what a popular cd track is because the data contained in NVRAM is invalid or corrupted or cleared... so be it. rather someone get a random song played thinking it's popular than some drunk pounding on the keyboard because he's pushing a button and nothing is happening.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: phesson on October 19, 2016, 11:35:26 am
me thinks if the memory is clear and you press the popular button to play a track based on play data... with no data...  playing a random song would probably be appropriate.  possibly if invalid data is encountered it just picks one out at random to keep things going. know what i mean?

the computer isn't very smart... i mean it's smart... but can only work with the information it's given. lots of compromises are made for the sake of reliability for use out in the public... if that meant lying about what a popular cd track is because the data contained in NVRAM is invalid or corrupted or cleared... so be it. rather someone get a random song played thinking it's popular than some drunk pounding on the keyboard because he's pushing a button and nothing is happening.

Thanks lilshawn.

I've done this several times. I clear the memorac, play a record 3 times in a row and check the play count. The memorac has the correct new data but the popular button dosen't agree with the memorac.
It's really not a big issue but I thought I might be able to get it to work.

My other question is about turning off the jukebox. Do I just shut it down while it's playing a record? I don't want to create a new problem.



Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ed12 on October 19, 2016, 11:45:29 am
with that kind of memory problem
I would want to replace the nvram (that's the start for trouble shooting)
second
we tend to make sure the unit is not playing before powering it off

ed
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: phesson on October 19, 2016, 12:04:31 pm
with that kind of memory problem
I would want to replace the nvram (that's the start for trouble shooting)
second
we tend to make sure the unit is not playing before powering it off

ed

Thanks Ed.

That's what I was looking for.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on October 19, 2016, 03:03:14 pm
yes, the NVRAM chip has a battery that keeps the data alive and accurate they are around the right age now to start crapping out about now.

on use, it has a steady power from the power supply powering it. when you shut it off, the battery takes over and keeps the data alive. Battery gets weak... starts out as data corruption,  (the clock tick write to NVRAM actually dips the power down causing the corruption.) but as the battery tanks completely it moves on to complete data loss on power off. not a real big deal if the default configuration is what you run.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: phesson on October 27, 2016, 10:44:09 am
Paul here with a question about the light control unit in my Rowe R-90 part # 4-07501-03

The flashing lights in the front door assembly would barely light and flash. Very dim. I took the display control to a local electrician with experience working on Rowe boxes and he immediately found two dry joints and resoldered them. Problem solved.  All the lights are working.  ;D
 
My second issue is when the light control switch is in the "LIGHT" position the sound is muted. All the lights still work and look great but no sound. When it is in the  "CONT", "CONT FLASH" or "FLASH OFF" position, the lights respond appropriately and the sound is fine. My electrician suggested the switch on the board probably needs replaced but he has no idea where I could find a new one.

Any information would be appreciated. 

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 28, 2016, 04:52:42 am
Hi Paul,

Send me a picture of the switch where I can see the top and the connection pins, I should be able to supply you with one.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: phesson on October 29, 2016, 12:44:01 pm
Thank you Alan!

I hope these show what you need.
 
Thanks,

Paul
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 31, 2016, 07:11:07 am
Hi Paul,

Looking at your pictures the switch is the 4 position switch with 5 connection pins.

I do not have a new one of these but I can supply you with a good used one.

Please send me a PM with your full name, postal address and phone contact information.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: phesson on October 31, 2016, 08:10:49 am

Looking at your pictures the switch is the 4 position switch with 5 connection pins.

I do not have a new one of these but I can supply you with a good used one.

Please send me a PM with your full name, postal address and phone contact information.


Message sent. Thank you!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 01, 2016, 06:49:30 am
Hello Paul,

The switch is on its way to you.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Johnsondouglas77 on November 10, 2016, 07:15:28 pm
Hi Alan i see that you have helped some people out with wall boxes i have a rowe r88 i have 2 wall boxes one is a wrd 200 and the other is wrf i only want to hook up one of these which one would work if any.and what will i need to hook it up thank you Doug.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 15, 2016, 06:05:38 am
Hello Doug,

The ideal wallbox for a Rowe Ami  R-84 to R-88 would be a WRE.
The WRF is for use on R-89 to R-94 jukeboxes.

You can use the WRD wallbox if you use a 4-06372-03 Wallbox Interface, you will also require a wallbox transformer.

If you have problems locating a interface in your country I do have some in stock, I would not suggest to supply you a wallbox transformer because of the weight, but we also have these in stock.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 16, 2016, 06:07:02 am
I am on holiday from close of business Thursday 17th November until 1st December.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tonearmsam on December 08, 2016, 11:34:39 pm
hello all -

I was looking for some help with my Rowe/AMI R-90. I have been restoring it and gotten it to play finally, but the sound is crackling, and when it plays it sounds like a half second echo, like two of the same record being played at the same time, but one is a half second ahead of the other. I have two working amplifiers and it happens on both the same way, so I'm not sure if the amp has anything to do with it. I did not have the chance to change the stylus yet; was hoping to get advice on the symptoms first. Thanks.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: cordd on December 12, 2016, 12:12:44 am
hello all -

I was looking for some help with my Rowe/AMI R-90. I have been restoring it and gotten it to play finally, but the sound is crackling, and when it plays it sounds like a half second echo, like two of the same record being played at the same time, but one is a half second ahead of the other. I have two working amplifiers and it happens on both the same way, so I'm not sure if the amp has anything to do with it. I did not have the chance to change the stylus yet; was hoping to get advice on the symptoms first. Thanks.

Maybe try unplugging the power to the amplifier and play a record. You can barely hear the record if you listen closely in a quiet room without the amp. You might get some sense then if it is a turntable issue vs. an amplifier issue.

Does this happen on multiple records? What happens when you switch the amp on mono?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sbidwell on December 15, 2016, 09:42:45 pm
Hi Alan, Steve here from the US and I'm new to the forum. I'm hoping you can share some of your jukebox wisdom with me. I recently purchased a Rowe CD100 C. I pretty much have all the issue sorted out (and there were many) except for one that's making me crazy. I have very low, distorted sound coming from the left channel. Originally I found the upper left midrange speaker missing and a driver board on the amp with blown 8 amp fuses. I replace the pair of shorted driver transistors associated with the blown board, the speaker and the fuses. No more blowing fuses, but that’s when I discovered the faint distorted sound from the left channel. Flipping the mono/stereo switch on the preamp board produces sound from all speakers, so I assume I do not have a wiring harness issue. I then swapped driver boards to see if the problem would move from left to right; however, the problem stayed in the left-- no change, so I assume both driver boards are okay as well. At this point I thought I had a bad preamp board. I purchased one off eBay that was advertised as "tested good". I replaced preamp and still had the same issue. This leads me to believe I have a good preamp, what’s the odds of having two with the exact same issue, plus I purchased it from a reputable seller, so I’m assuming it’s fine too. So... I decided to replace the other two driver transistors, why not. No help, same issue. Using a spare speaker, I connected it direct to the speaker package terminal and nothing on the left side produced sound, right side worked fine. Thinking it may be left channel transformer on the speaker package I swapped them around but the problem remained. I probably didn't need to even do this step, in retrospect, I don't think it proved anything. Oh, and early on in the process I also used different audio sources (iPod) to take out the possibility of the CD player being the issue, and I swapped left and right inputs to the amp...only sound in the right.

So now I'm grasping at straws, but I feel it has to be the amp still, right? If I'm looking at the schematic correctly, it appears that the left channel E7 and E1 terminals on the speaker package are feed directly from the amp’s speaker connector and if I'm not getting any sound there then it's not coming from the amp correctly, right? I have also pulled both driver boards and reflowed all the joints on the connector pins and checked for dry or cracked joints with a magnifying glass elsewhere on the boards. I've also tested continuity from the plugs to the driver transistor sockets and the amp wiring in general. Also, checked for 40v on the two filter caps and that all checks out too. I'm frustrated...any ideas? I was hoping to have this working for my Christmas party, but at this point it may have to be in mono. Thanks, I appreciate your time.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on December 16, 2016, 11:32:04 am
Hi Steve,

Check out the volume control is wired correctly, if we have any issues with a jukeboxes internal volume control wiring we just make up a test control with a 5 pin Molex connector and a 10k log control.

Pins 1 & 5 go to one end of the control & pin 3 goes to the wiper on the pot.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tonearmsam on December 16, 2016, 10:24:19 pm
Thanks cordd -

when the amp is unplugged, it is the usual fly in the room buzzing. Certain records play, others stay in the same position playing the same 1.5 seconds over and over. When in mono the result is the same delay/echo mentioned before.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on December 18, 2016, 06:33:22 am
Hello tonearmsam,

Could you please post a picture of your tonearm showing the cartridge and its connections, we should be able to spot any faults from that, maybe a side shot and a shot with the tone arm lifted up and a closeup of the cartridge from the front.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
Uk
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tonearmsam on December 19, 2016, 09:15:49 pm
Alan,

I attached the pictures here. I think I got all the points you needed, but if you need others just let me know. Thanks much for you help.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on December 20, 2016, 07:01:40 am
Hello tonearmsam,

That all looks good, have you checked that the four wires from the cartridge are in the positions indicated on the gold coloured label? The cartridge end is correct.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on December 21, 2016, 08:33:43 pm
Hi,
I have a ami rowe r92 in australia that I am resurrecting. The machine is finally working and playing records.
It seems the white plastic tonearm cam spring is causing the tone arm to stick at the start of the record?
Can i remove this spring entirely?
Also what cd changers are people fitting to these machines now? The sony 10 disc with it needs the disc selector overhauled.
Cheers,
Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on December 22, 2016, 08:13:34 am
Hi Stu,

Welcome to the forum.

The answer to your question is no, without it the tone arm will not operate correctly.

I would check your tone arm collor adjustments as per the manual, if the tone arm lifting pin is not on the edge of the slot on the tone arm cam, the tone arm will be out. there is only a few adjustments on the mechanism (from R-84 to R-94) about four just for the tone arm and tone arm cam.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: kestrel165 on December 22, 2016, 11:25:04 am
Hi Alan
You have helped me in the past hope you can again. I have a problem with an R91, if I select a record between 100 and 149 the magazine stops at 1 more than the selection entered, if I select 150-199 it stops at 2 more than the selection entered. I have checked the opt switch home voltage at P203 on the mechanism control unit and its ok, when I check the index voltage whilst rotating the magazine with the cancel button the meter reads approx. 2.4v dc the manual says it should be 3.1 - 3.4v dc. Would this significantly affect the index count?
The mech control unit is a 4-07221-02 so it does not have sensitivity pots for adjusting the voltages. (incidentally the manual I have which gives the voltages actually says there are sensitivity pots so maybe 2.1 to 2.4 is ok can you confirm)
Could it be just a dirty gear and/opt switch, if so can I clean them in situ and what cleaning procedure should I use (white spirit, lint free cloth etc)
thanks in advance
Ron
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on December 23, 2016, 01:19:31 am
Thanks Alan
No luck with a manual from the Australian agent. I will order one direct from victory after new years.
Cheers,
Stu
Hi Stu,

Welcome to the forum.

The answer to your question is no, without it the tone arm will not operate correctly.

I would check your tone arm collor adjustments as per the manual, if the tone arm lifting pin is not on the edge of the slot on the tone arm cam, the tone arm will be out. there is only a few adjustments on the mechanism (from R-84 to R-94) about four just for the tone arm and tone arm cam.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on December 23, 2016, 05:36:57 am
Thanks Alan
No luck with a manual from the Australian agent. I will order one direct from victory after new years.
Cheers,
Stu
Hi Stu,

Welcome to the forum.

The answer to your question is no, without it the tone arm will not operate correctly.

I would check your tone arm collor adjustments as per the manual, if the tone arm lifting pin is not on the edge of the slot on the tone arm cam, the tone arm will be out. there is only a few adjustments on the mechanism (from R-84 to R-94) about four just for the tone arm and tone arm cam.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Hi Stu,

Ask your local agent if he has a maunual from the earlier CTI-2, R-84, R-85, R-86, R-87, R-88, R-89, R-90, R-91
all of these manuals show you all of the mechanism adjustments.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on December 23, 2016, 05:51:15 am
Hi Alan
You have helped me in the past hope you can again. I have a problem with an R91, if I select a record between 100 and 149 the magazine stops at 1 more than the selection entered, if I select 150-199 it stops at 2 more than the selection entered. I have checked the opt switch home voltage at P203 on the mechanism control unit and its ok, when I check the index voltage whilst rotating the magazine with the cancel button the meter reads approx. 2.4v dc the manual says it should be 3.1 - 3.4v dc. Would this significantly affect the index count?
The mech control unit is a 4-07221-02 so it does not have sensitivity pots for adjusting the voltages. (incidentally the manual I have which gives the voltages actually says there are sensitivity pots so maybe 2.1 to 2.4 is ok can you confirm)
Could it be just a dirty gear and/opt switch, if so can I clean them in situ and what cleaning procedure should I use (white spirit, lint free cloth etc)
thanks in advance
Ron

Hi Ron,

I would just use a damp cloth once you have removed the opto switch and its bracket to clean the gear.

You will need to use the correct mechanism control with the trim pots, also the opto switch need to be the one with the red plug.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tonearmsam on December 27, 2016, 11:07:32 am
Hello tonearmsam,

That all looks good, have you checked that the four wires from the cartridge are in the positions indicated on the gold coloured label? The cartridge end is correct.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK



Alan,

It looks like the gold label diagram is correct. After doing trouble shooting in more detail, this is what conclusions I have drawn -



As a side note, the power supply's receptacle outlet for the amp is dead, so I've been directly connecting the amp to a wall outlet. I will have an electrician friend either replace the receptacle of the current power supply, or replace it with the same model from eBay or somewhere. I didn't believe that this setup would have any bearing on the result, but I figured it might be worth mentioning.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Furet87 on December 28, 2016, 04:59:53 am
bonjour
désolé mais je n'écris pas suffisamment bien l'anglais pour communiquer  ???
je demande de l'aide pour un RI-2 canterbury en remettant le commutateur de service en position normal le chargeur de disques n'arrête pas de tourner ( ne trouve pas sa position de repos ).
comme j'ai 2 appareils identiques j'ai échangé les deux ensembles électroniques dessous la mécanique, le résultat est identique.
j'ai cherché je ne trouve pas le sensor qui identifie la position de repos
il ne semble pas que ces appareils soient très courants et personne n'a l'air de s'y intéresser.
je joins une photo de la mécanique.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on December 28, 2016, 05:38:04 pm
Si vous accédez à "https://translate.google.com/", il fait un très bon travail de traduction français vers anglais. (Au moins mieux qu'auparavant).

bonjour
désolé mais je n'écris pas suffisamment bien l'anglais pour communiquer  ???
je demande de l'aide pour un RI-2 canterbury en remettant le commutateur de service en position normal le chargeur de disques n'arrête pas de tourner ( ne trouve pas sa position de repos ).
comme j'ai 2 appareils identiques j'ai échangé les deux ensembles électroniques dessous la mécanique, le résultat est identique.
j'ai cherché je ne trouve pas le sensor qui identifie la position de repos
il ne semble pas que ces appareils soient très courants et personne n'a l'air de s'y intéresser.
je joins une photo de la mécanique.

quick translate:
Quote
Hello
Sorry but I do not write enough English to communicate ???
I ask for help for a RI-2 canterbury by putting the service switch back into normal position the disk loader does not stop turning (does not find its rest position).
As I have 2 identical devices I exchanged the two electronic sets under the mechanics, the result is identical.
I searched I can not find the sensor that identifies the rest position
It does not seem that these devices are very common and nobody seems to be interested.
I enclose a picture of the mechanics.



Il pourrait être les contacts de l'encodeur sont sales. Il doit avoir un interrupteur fermer lorsque la machine est en position de repos. Si ce commutateur est sale, il ne fera pas de bon contact et peut-être continuer au lieu d'arrêter.

Le faisceau de fils qui sont vissés sur l'avant du codeur doit être enlevé (deux vis) et vérifié pour la saleté et si sale ... être nettoyé. Je ne sais pas si elles devraient être lubrifiées ou non. (Certains le font et d'autres pas. Je ne connais pas cette machine spécifiquement) peut-être AMI-MAN commenter plus tard aujourd'hui si c'est le cas.

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it could be the contacts of the encoder are dirty. it should have a switch close when the machine is in rest home position. if this switch is dirty, it will not make good contact and possibly keep going instead of stop.

the bundle of wires that are screwed onto the front of the encoder should be  removed (two screws) and checked for dirt and if dirty... be cleaned. I'm not sure if they should be lubricated or not. (some do and others do not. I don't know this machine specifically) perhaps AMI-MAN will comment later today if this is the case.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Furet87 on December 29, 2016, 06:46:59 am
merci lilshawn pour votre réponse. :)
mais j'aimerais bien avoir une image de l'intérieur de l'encodeur et la procédure de démontage, j'ai peur de le démonter sans informations et de faire plus de dégats qu'il n' y en a

Thank you lilshawn for your reply. :)
But I would like to have an image of the inside of the encoder and the disassembly procedure, I am afraid to disassemble it without information and to do more damage than there are
Happy Holidays

une autre question, sur le deuxième jukebox le chargeur est complètement bloqué
on ne peut pas le tourner à la main ça ne semble pas venir de l'axe du panier.
d'ou peut provenir le blocage , moteur, axe, ou autre chose ?

Another question, on the second jukebox the charger is completely blocked
We can not turn it by hand it does not seem to come from the axis of the basket.
From where can the blocking, motor, ax, or anything else come from?

joyeuses fêtes

Christian
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: denny405 on December 30, 2016, 07:30:27 pm
Sir,
   I have had a working 1982 r-86 jukebox for about 7 years.  During a recent move it locked itself (the front panel).  The lock itself has always been 'buggered' up so I never thought the lock would be a problem.  Foolish me.  Is there anything short of a chainsaw that can get me into it. 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on December 31, 2016, 12:27:13 am
merci lilshawn pour votre réponse. :)
mais j'aimerais bien avoir une image de l'intérieur de l'encodeur et la procédure de démontage, j'ai peur de le démonter sans informations et de faire plus de dégats qu'il n' y en a

Thank you lilshawn for your reply. :)
But I would like to have an image of the inside of the encoder and the disassembly procedure, I am afraid to disassemble it without information and to do more damage than there are
Happy Holidays

une autre question, sur le deuxième jukebox le chargeur est complètement bloqué
on ne peut pas le tourner à la main ça ne semble pas venir de l'axe du panier.
d'ou peut provenir le blocage , moteur, axe, ou autre chose ?

Another question, on the second jukebox the charger is completely blocked
We can not turn it by hand it does not seem to come from the axis of the basket.
From where can the blocking, motor, ax, or anything else come from?

joyeuses fêtes

Christian

Je ne peux pas vraiment voir de votre image et malheureusement je n'ai pas un livre de servie pour cette machine ... mais, vous ne devriez pas avoir à démonter le mechanisim beaucoup du tout. Il apparaît que les pièces utilisées pour «détecter» la position de la roue codeuse est juste à l'avant. (J'ai entouré la pièce dans l'image ci-jointe.) Il devrait être amovible et avoir une série de "brosses" qui appuient contre les traces de cuivre sur la roue d'encodeur.

Il serait préférable de marquer la zone avec un marqueur ou un crayon dans le cas où il a la capacité d'être ajusté, de cette façon, vous pouvez le faire revenir à la même place à nouveau.

Il peut juste avoir une accumulation de saleté ou la corrosion sur les extrémités des brosses qui doit être enlevé. Un "scotch brite" pad souvent utilisé pour nettoyer les taches difficiles sur les pots et les casseroles peut être utilisé pour frotter doucement toute la saleté ou la corrosion sur la brosse.

Le panier qui contient les disques ne peut normalement pas être tourné à la main. Il a ce qu'on appelle un «engrenage de sprag» qui les verrouille en place pour ne pas obtenir désaligné. Cet engin est électriquement engagé et désengagé lorsque le mécanisim doit se déplacer. Il peut être désengagé manuellement, mais lorsqu'il est tourné, il s'arrête dans chaque position d'enregistrement et doit être désengagé à nouveau, car il a une butée d'entaille pour chaque enregistrement et s'arrêtera à la suivante.

Afin de charger facilement les enregistrements dans le panier, activez le commutateur de service de la machine pour mettre la machine en service. Vous pouvez appuyer sur le commutateur sur le côté gauche de la mécanisim (étiqueté "can cel") et le panier sera activé tourner sur son propre jusqu'à ce que vous relâchez le bouton.

(http://i.imgur.com/2mnIFst.jpg)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on December 31, 2016, 12:41:00 am
Sir,
   I have had a working 1982 r-86 jukebox for about 7 years.  During a recent move it locked itself (the front panel).  The lock itself has always been 'buggered' up so I never thought the lock would be a problem.  Foolish me.  Is there anything short of a chainsaw that can get me into it.


I'm not real familiar with the R-86. The pics on the internet suggest the lock is in the middle of the lower section just below the door?

if so, (similar to the 100 series) you may be able to use a couple pieces of some thin metal (like crate strapping) to insert under the door on either side and push the latches away from the hooks on the door. the mechanism allows for a pile of play on the latches so moving them is pretty easy. it's just a matter of getting at them and pushing them the correct direction.

i would recommend against drilling out the lock, as it can potentially bind the mechanism in an improper manner and render the unit nearly unlockable without damaging it. If you know for certain which direction the lock needs to be turned, you can try wedging a large flat bladed driver into the lock opening and using a pair of vise grips on the shaft or handle to help turn and break the lock. not ideal, but in a pinch...

If you do manage to get the machine open, I recommend removing and taking the lock to a locksmith or hardware store and purchasing a replacement. they are pretty cheap and can be had for under 10 bucks. you might need to modify it a little to work with the existing mechanism (file it out or something) but usually it's not too bad.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Furet87 on January 02, 2017, 07:14:57 am
hello  :)

Do you think that after cleaning the wipers  he makes the following modification ?

you can try is to hang a 10k resistor from each of the wipers on that encoder wheel (via the plug on the memory unit) to the -17v rail, as there are no pull up resistors fitted in the factory. This can sometimes fix problems involving endless scanning, and jumping numbers on the display.

Would you have a picture of that change?

bonne journée

christian

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on January 04, 2017, 09:25:56 am
Bonjour Chrétien,

Le défaut habituel sur les encodeurs est que les deux essuie-glaces inférieurs usent plus que les autres en raison de la conception du bloc de contact.
Vérifiez qu'ils sont encore en contact.

Nous réparons ces R-80S à R-83 (comprend RI-2 et CTI-1SC)
Normalement, nous demandons les panneaux suivants pour les essais / réparations: -

Contrôle du mécanisme 401-06905

Unités de mémoire

601-07666 utilisé sur R-80S, R-81, RI-2 et CTI-1SC

301-07855 utilisé sur R-82 & R-83

Logique de sélecteur

603-08060 utilisé sur RI-2
601-08060 utilisé sur R-80S, R-81, R-82, R-83 et CTI-1SC

S'il vous plaît me contacter si vous avez besoin de conseils ou si vous avez besoin de tests / réparations.

Cordialement
Alan

Alan Hood (ami-man)
Games Unlimited
UK

Hello Christian,

The usual fault on the encoders is that the bottom two wipers wear down more than the others due to the design of the contact block.
Check that they are still making contact.

We repair these R-80S to R-83 (includes RI-2 and CTI-1SC)
Normally we ask for the following boards for testing/repair:-

Mechanism Control 401-06905

Memory Units

601-07666 used on R-80S, R-81, RI-2 and CTI-1SC

301-07855 used on R-82 & R-83

Selector Logic

603-08060 used on RI-2
601-08060 used on R-80S, R-81, R-82, R-83 and CTI-1SC

Please contact me if you require any advice or if you require any testing/repairs.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood (ami-man)
Games Unlimited
UK


Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Furet87 on January 05, 2017, 07:47:21 am
bonjour Alan
j ai démonté avec beaucoup de précautions l'encodeur nettoye le disque et les balais verifie le reglage correct h
mis un peu d huile sur l axe , remonte l encodeur.
maintenant il ne reste plus qu'a remonrer le tout sur la mecanique, mais comment regler correctement l encodeur par rapport au chargeur de disque ? existe t il des reperes visuels ?
bonne journee
christian

ANGLAIS
hello Alan  :applaud:
I disassembled with a lot of precautions the encoder cleans the disc and the brushes verifies the correct setting h
Put a little oil on the axis, go up the encoder.
Now it only remains to reassemble the whole on the mechanics, but how to regulate correctly the encoder compared to the loader of disc? Are there any visual benchmarks?
have a good day
Christian
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on January 05, 2017, 09:13:37 am

Bonjour Chrétien,

Si vous regardez la roue dentée de l'encodeur, vous verrez une marque 00 sur le bord de la roue.
Vous devez mettre le mécanisme en service et le balayer jusqu'à ce qu'il soit à l'emplacement 100, sur le côté droit du support qui tient le codeur en place est un pas dans le support de la marque 00 doit être opposée à cette position lorsque le mécanisme Est dans l'emplacement 100 (c'est semblable à l'assemblage de plaque d'arrêt sur le mécanisme 1100 pour chronométrer le mécanisme).

Cordialement
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Hello Christian,

If you look at the gear wheel of the encoder you will see a 00 mark on the edge of the wheel.
You need to put the mechanism into service and scan it around until it is at location 100, on the righthand side of the bracket that holds the encoder in place is a step in the bracket the 00 mark has to be oposite this position when the mechanism is in the 100 location (this is similar to the stop plate assembly on the 1100 mechanism to time the mechanism).

Regards
Alan

Alan-hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Furet87 on January 07, 2017, 04:30:50 am
j'ai du mal à comprendre ( traduction )
une image serait plus claire  :)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Furet87 on January 07, 2017, 12:44:30 pm
hello Alan

I managed to partially run one of the jukes.

At times it initialises correctly the unlocking solenoid works the transfer engine turns on it makes one turn it stops and one can select.
Other times only the solenoid does not work the motor.
I found the schematics of the R82 which is similar (except for the memory unit which is more advanced, I have one of the RI-2 that is equipped with it)
I would have to take the disk drive engine because it makes a noise but I do not know how to access it.
For the position setting of the encoder I can not understand ( actually did not go back up because at the rest of the selection 100 falls to an unusable location of the charger)
Without image and with my bad notions of English I will arrive at nothing :-(

For my problem of my solenoid that does not work on the other juke, or should it look for priority coil off, bad contact or interface fault?


christian
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Furet87 on January 13, 2017, 10:33:45 am
Hello
In addition to the mark on the encoder is there another way finer because the selection lacks precision?
Christian
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: mikeb693@verizon.net on January 29, 2017, 06:54:51 pm
Hi,
I have a nice Rowe R90 working jukebox with the mp3 converter.
I'm tidying it up a bit, and would like to find the bottom light panel.
I'd also like to find a spare title card holder.  Any suggestions on
where to look?

Mike
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on January 30, 2017, 06:07:52 am
Hi Mike,

What country do you live in?

It would help with suggesting where to look for parts.

If you are in the USA then  I am you best bet.

A picture of what you regard as the bottom light panel might help I assume it is the curved panel in the lower front door.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: RockabillyTim on February 17, 2017, 04:07:51 pm
Alan,
       I have an AMI E-80 Jukebox (1953) and just today I noticed the select buttons would not work. Usually when you push a button you hear it lock and the selection is then played but, today they just press in and out without a locking noise. Where do I begin my troubleshooting on this problem?

Tim
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: daws on March 27, 2017, 09:44:40 am
Hi Alan,

Just come across your wise words on other topics. I have a Rowe Ami RI-2 Canterbury and the tome arm always sets down too far over onto the record - about 1cm - so it misses 20 - 30 seconds off the start.

I've just bought this and it's the first jukebox I've owned after lusting after one for years! Just need to get it 100% and I'll be on cloud 9.

I'm hoping it's an easy fix but would welcome your thoughts.

DAWS
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 28, 2017, 05:07:12 am
Hello Daws,

If you have not got a manual for this jukebox Isuggest that you purchase one because you wll not be able to check all the adjustments on the mechanism wihout one, basically the adjustments on the 1200 mechanism are basically the same as the 1100 mechanisms that were in operation until the last 1100 jukebox the 1976 Rowe Ami R-80 rolled off the production line.

If you look at the back of the tone arm you will see a plate that has two pins that follow the tone arm cam, this plate is called the Cam Plate Assembly (part number 201-10727). Make sure that he two pins are over the tone arm cam and are both still attached to the plate, I have known one to be missing, rare but it can happen.

You will see there is a 4BA or 1/4 AF machine screw that tightenens this plate to the tone arm, if you slacken the screw then you can move the position of the tone arm in relation to the start of the record. This has to be done when the record is in the play position, so select a record, make it a B side so the gripper bow is out of the way. Once the stylus is on the record turn off the service switch itwill make the operation easier without the threat of rejection.

Slacken the screw and holding the tone against the lefthand pin of the two on the cam plate assembly move the tone above the lead in groove of the record, then tighten the screw, you might need an helping hand doing this.

Please let us know how you get on.

A word of warning regarding the Memory Unit and Selector Logic boards these contain CMOS chips and they are heighly suseptible to static discharge, unless you are familiar to safe handling techniques leve them well alone.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: daws on March 29, 2017, 10:04:05 am
Alan,

Re the tone arm set down on the RI-2, I followed your instructions and the problem is now resolved, now working perfectly. You are a true gentleman for giving out free advice.

Noting what you say about manuals, does that mean I don't actually need a specific RI-2 Canterbury manual (and I can't seem to find one on the net) just one that covers either the 1100 or 1200 mechanism?

(And to anyone else reading these posts, I cannot recommend Ami-man highly enough!)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 31, 2017, 05:07:49 am
Hello Daws,

Glad to hear you have sorted out your problem.

Regarding a manual with regards to adjustments and circuit diagrams on the boards etc, you need to obtain a manual that features the 1200 mechanism ideally the RI-2 but the following would contain the adjustment and circuit diagrams (but totally useless with regards cabinet trim information and speaker circuits) :-

1976 R-80S (they put the new R-81 parts in the R-80 cabinet)
1977 R-81
1977 RI-2
1978 R-82
1978 CTI-1SC
1979 R-83

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: daws on April 01, 2017, 07:13:21 am
Hi Alan,

Thanks for the manual advice.

Unfortunately, the jukebox is now playing slow, about 43rpm!

I'm wondering if this is linked to doing the tone arm adjustments. Or could it be that it didn't like being switched off in mid play to do the adjustment.

Seems too much of a coincidence for it to have happened when it did (and I think it was slow immediately after the adjustment, but I didn't notice in my excitement of getting the initial problem fixed.)


Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 03, 2017, 10:22:39 am
Hello Daws,

The turntable motor on RI-2 is a 110/120 volt motor that drives an idler wheel.

You need to inspect the turntable motor by removing the turntable. Inspect the motor shaft for any side to side or forward and movement on the bearings (up and down movement is normal) if there is movement in the bearing the motor will need to be replaced (yes we do stock them).

Check the idler wheel linkage and the idler wheel, if the idler wheel has been stood for a long time it tends to put a dint in the circumfrence of the wheel, again if this is the case it will need replacing (again we stock them).

Remove the idler wheel, linkage and turntable and wash them in warm soapy water to remove any traces of lubrication, dry off and refit, lubricate with one spot of oil on all of the linkage pivot points. idler wheel and turntable shaft. If you have not already stripped down the turntable motor to get to the bottom bearing to remove any build up of old oil, do so now. Relubricate with a couple of drops of oil down the oil tube to the bottom bearing and put one spot of oil onto the top bearing.

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: kingstontom on April 05, 2017, 07:59:15 pm
Hi Alan,

I'm new to the forum and had a question that I wonder if you could offer me some advice. I'm repairing a bad channel on a Rowe 61024902 amp from a CD-100 jukebox. My manual only lists the 61024901 amp's schematic, so I'm at a loss trying to find out what the values are for the diodes on the diode assembly 40862901 are. The amp schematic that I have mentions the 40837401 diode assembly, but it doesn't say what the values are, and it doesn't feature the white wires and diode wired in series between the output devices on the heat sink. It just has the green wires with the diodes in series between P3 and P4.

Would you happen to know the specs for the diode between the white wires and the diodes in series between the green wires on the 40862901 on the 61024902 amp? Do you have any other advice for this diode assembly board? Heat sink compound had been applied to the diodes so that they'd conduct heat to the heat sink better, so I'll be reapplying that as I replace the output devices as well. Thanks much in advance for your reply.

Tom
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: pockets78 on April 06, 2017, 08:23:54 pm
Just picked up a mostly working R-91 "Compact Disc" model.  45s work great after a little work, but the Pioneer PD-M6 6-disc player is shot (bad optic and bad ribbon cable to the optic).  I have the IR controller that screws into the front of the PD-M6.  Question is, Is the Pioneer PD-M6 the only model that will work, or are there others that I can replace it with?  I've heard a PD-403 will work, but it looks like that model does not have an IR receiver (according to the manual at http://c.searspartsdirect.com/mmh/lis_pdf/OWNM/97110208.pdf (http://c.searspartsdirect.com/mmh/lis_pdf/OWNM/97110208.pdf)).

Any guidance would be appreciated.

Thanks,
-John
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: scottabs on April 06, 2017, 09:45:49 pm
Hi,
I picked up a Rowe AMI Diplomat JAN-200 a few weeks ago and I'm having trouble getting it to stop scanning after I make a selection.  The manual says to check the R2 relay, but I don't see any "activity" in that relay after I make a selection and I have not taken it off to diagnose further.   I did clean the R1 and R5 contacts, as well as the S1 and S2 contacts (after reading posts here), but that didn't make a difference.  A couple of notes, that may or may not be related to the problem are:

- The previous owner said it was working prior to a move.  When I inspected the mech, the stop switch drive gear was missing a big chunk of the gear.  I purchased a replacement gear, and installed it, and it seems to scan correctly (manually)

- The coin gear is missing, and it looks like they wired in a credit button on the outside of the jukebox.  Again, it might not be related to my issue, but I thought I would mention it.

Scott
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 07, 2017, 05:32:14 am
Hi Scott,

The 1965 Model N Diplomat is slightly smaller jukebox compaired the models L & M, I have seen good models and some very poor examples.

What controls the mechanism stopping its revolution and a third is the switch on the Scan Control Assembly.

I would also check out camswitch two.

When you mention the stop switch drive gear I assume that you mean the pinion & plate assembly (the metal gear with the plastic teeth on it, part number 301-05181).

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: scottabs on April 07, 2017, 08:31:51 am
Hi Alan,

Thanks for the reply.  I might have used the wrong term when I said the "mech keeps scanning after I make a selection".  It is the search unit that keeps scanning, as opposed to the magazine that keeps turning.  If you did assume that I meant the search unit, then I need a little help identifying the two parts you mentioned.  On my scan control assembly, I only see one switch in the manual, part 200-10731.  I'm also not sure where to find camswitch two.

And yes, I replaced the metal gear with the plastic teeth as it was missing a chunk of about 10 teeth. 

Scott
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Mike73Deauville on April 07, 2017, 12:35:10 pm
Hi
I have a TI-1 that stopped a couple of years ago and i am so desperate to get it up and working again. on selection i hear relays move on the second button press during selection but nothing else happens. the amp works and carousel turns on reject but not sure where to start, have just ordered a service manual so hope i will be able to follow any advise and the manual to get it working. I have many years experience on mechanical electrical servicing  and feel confident that i can resolve if pointed in the right direction. I live in the Berkshire area of the uk hope you can help. Regards Mike
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: anhuret on April 09, 2017, 09:50:32 am
Hello,

My dad recently purchased a ROWE R-92 for my mum as a birthday gift.  It was working perfectly until we brought it home.
There is an ER17 code that comes up when it switches on, but the arm will only move so far and no record will change.
The lights all work perfectly. We think it is an arm malfunction but we are not sure what is causing it 100% as we have never owned a jukebox previously.

I will try to provide more information soon. Any help is appreciated.  :)

-------
EDIT:
Hello,

We have fixed the jukebox!

We found out it was an issue with tonearm bearings.

Dad switched the jukebox on, did a selection on the keypad, when the arm put record onto the record deck he switched the power off and put his hand under the back of the tone arm and lifted the cam up and moved it over to the left -- it had been jolted out when it was moved. It's beautiful when it plays!

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: pockets78 on April 09, 2017, 04:35:49 pm
Just picked up a mostly working R-91 "Compact Disc" model.  45s work great after a little work, but the Pioneer PD-M6 6-disc player is shot.

Just FYI, picked up another PD-M6 and it works great (little pricier than some of the newer models, but I didn't want to risk them not working).  The R-91 takes a while to initialize (777), but once it does, it's nice!

-John
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 10, 2017, 10:28:54 am
Hi
I have a TI-1 that stopped a couple of years ago and i am so desperate to get it up and working again. on selection i hear relays move on the second button press during selection but nothing else happens. the amp works and carousel turns on reject but not sure where to start, have just ordered a service manual so hope i will be able to follow any advise and the manual to get it working. I have many years experience on mechanical electrical servicing  and feel confident that i can resolve if pointed in the right direction. I live in the Berkshire area of the uk hope you can help. Regards Mike

Hi Mike,

Give me a call on 0114 247 0242.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 10, 2017, 10:34:59 am
Just picked up a mostly working R-91 "Compact Disc" model.  45s work great after a little work, but the Pioneer PD-M6 6-disc player is shot.

Just FYI, picked up another PD-M6 and it works great (little pricier than some of the newer models, but I didn't want to risk them not working).  The R-91 takes a while to initialize (777), but once it does, it's nice!

-John

Hi John,

My advice would have been to obtain a PD-M6, one of the main issues on these was the 6 player cartridge/cassette.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: scottabs on April 10, 2017, 01:18:26 pm
Hi Alan,

Thanks for the reply.  I might have used the wrong term when I said the "mech keeps scanning after I make a selection".  It is the search unit that keeps scanning, as opposed to the magazine that keeps turning.  If you did assume that I meant the search unit, then I need a little help identifying the two parts you mentioned.  On my scan control assembly, I only see one switch in the manual, part 200-10731.  I'm also not sure where to find camswitch two.

And yes, I replaced the metal gear with the plastic teeth as it was missing a chunk of about 10 teeth. 

Scott

Hi Alan,

Just checking to see if you got my reply above?  From what I can tell, it never stops to register the selection I make.  If I manually push in a pin, and go back and forth the between the "scan" and "on" position, it will go into the transfer mode.  But, it never seems to register what I select via the keyboard.  (A1, V2, etc...)

Scott
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 11, 2017, 06:23:56 am
Hi Scott,

I think we are at a point where you had better contact me directly to sort out your problem.

You can phone me on 0114 247 0242 or email at alan-hood@datex.co.uk

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: pockets78 on April 11, 2017, 09:14:59 pm
Trying to figure out the fluorescent lighting on the front door.  I have a Rowe R-91, and I have replaced the lamp (F18T8/CW/K26, was in there originally) and the FS-2 starter, but it still flickers.  Its an even flickering, almost like it would be on a dimmer.   Looking at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/seeburg/jinfo.html#rowe (http://www.angelfire.com/ga/seeburg/jinfo.html#rowe) , it looks like I should have used a F26T8CW4 lamp (also 18W 26").  Any idea if I should try that one, or just replace the Ballast?

Thanks,
-John
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 12, 2017, 05:09:54 am
Hi John,

What country do you live in?

If it is in Europe then you have to make sure that the tubes are American Flow Tubes and the starter is 110 volts.

With the tube flickering, does it light if you remove the starter, if this is the case then you have fitted a faulty or unsuitable starter.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: smalltownguy on April 19, 2017, 12:14:10 pm
Hey all,

Picked up an R-94 this week. Mechanism seeks and loads 45's just fine. Tone arm swings over and drops on the record, but the turntable is not turning. I can see the motor spindle turning, but the belt is not moving the turntable. I can manually spin the turntable, but it seems like it's gummed up - should the turntable require much force to turn it?

When I do move the turntable by hand, I get sound from the tone arm, so the amp is working correctly.

Aside from maybe looking at purchasing a new belt, what else should I be doing to this turntable to get it rotating correctly? Any videos out there I can watch?

Thanks!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 20, 2017, 06:12:01 am
Hi Smalltownguy,

Remove the turntable from the mechanism and wash it down with warm soapy water to remove old traces of oil/grease, rince and dry off and rub two spots of oil on the turntable shaft. make sure this runs smoothly and then fit the belt after you have washed & dried it.

Select a record, once it has started playing hold the edhge of the record, the turntable should still spin underneath the record, if it does not replace the turntablebelt.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tonearmsam on April 20, 2017, 05:38:24 pm
Alan,

In regards to my previous post I was able to get my R-90 repaired and it is now playing perfectly. I just have two questions.


Thanks.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Wizards_hand on May 24, 2017, 06:00:15 am
I juat bought an ami r 87 model and it sounds great my problem is the display only shows selection 100 and only play the record thats in 100...any ideas? Oh im in northwest ohio area in the united states...
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: cordd on May 24, 2017, 04:18:35 pm
Hi, Alan,

I have a Rowe R-91. I have an intermittent problem at the volume control plug on the amplifier. I lose audio to on or both channels. When I wiggle it, I can restore the audio back. The pins on the amplifier to not appear to be loose and the connections on the plug appear ok as well. There are three wires on the plug. I assume two are L/R channel and the other is a common ground. I have not pulled the amp out to inspect it.

Any help appreciated. Thank you.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: cordd on May 25, 2017, 08:54:19 pm
Update:
I need to pull the amp and inspect it. Wiggling the mono/stereo switch affects the audio as well.

My instinct it is a problem somewehere on the circuit board. I would like to check the three wired plug that goes into the volume control plug for continuity. Can anyone tell me where the wires from the volume control plug go to? Thanks.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 30, 2017, 09:43:58 am
Hello Cordd,

It sounds as if you have dry joints (cold joints USA) to the header pins on the three boards in the amplifier.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: FuriousNotFast on July 28, 2017, 03:51:06 pm
Edit: I see that you already answered my question in an earlier post! Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: dicko456 on July 29, 2017, 03:52:23 am
Hi Alan,
I have a R-86 which is used as a big bluetooth speaker but I'd like to revive the mechanism which isn't working at all.
At first I thought it was the CCC because the battery had leaked everywhere, so I removed the battery and installed the CPU upgrade from cdadapter.com, but no luck.

There are no dry joints and the voltages are all present and appear clean when checked with a scope. The "tran motor" LED comes on and the transfer motor used to continuously run, but that has now stopped since I have been messing with it, now just the LED comes on.

I'm a lapsed electronic engineer and used to work on these boxes a long time ago and still have a mechanism manual, but I can't find a manual which shows the wiring and the mech controller - do you know if any of the manuals available do have this info so that I can order one?

Please let me know which manual I should get, or any pointers.

Cheers,
Andy
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on July 31, 2017, 05:32:49 am
Hello Andy,

I can not help you with a manual, you need to look out for one of the large brown shop manuals for the R-84 to R-88.

These are few and far to obtain.

If you wish however to send me the following boards for testing/repair, please contact me off of line.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

alan-hood@datex.co.uk
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: dastardly on August 27, 2017, 04:58:10 am
hi guys Craig here from OZ, I have a cd 100 e and I have  a few problems one is the title page turner when you push the buttons it only works when it feels like it a PITA I have power to the motor connector checked all connectors and it changes easy when turned by hand the control module looks good by eye all joints soldered well no burnt capacitors (by eye) the second is the spinning disc attractor motor doesn't turn have power to the motor can  I service the motor or is it a throw away unite thanks for reading or any help Craig
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on August 28, 2017, 02:37:53 pm
those motors seem to easily get wore out and need to be replaced.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: saag1 on August 29, 2017, 04:01:59 am
Hello,

I have a 1973 AMI/Rowe deauville TI-1. Working just fine until about a month ago. Jukebox didnt play the songs I selected. I would select a song and it would just roll a full cycle and not play anything. Then I would put in a couple more selections and it would play again. Maybe not in the order I selected, but still play them and remember what I had selected previously.

I thought this could be a lubrication issue since it hadnt been oiled in at least 10-15 years. I carefully oiled(sewing machine oil or such and WD-40) a few spots in the machine following the owners manual. After this all noise coming from the machine was a lot smoother, BUT now it plays reeeaally slow. I found a video where a guy explains where you have to clean excess oil and so on, but its still slow. If I carefully adjust the Speed Shift Coil & Idler Wheel Assembly while playing, it will get more speed but wont maintain it. Do I have to replace the speed shift coil? Thank you guys in advance for any help I might get!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on August 30, 2017, 10:10:42 am
those motors seem to easily get wore out and need to be replaced.

Usually on the attract motors it is the gearbox that fails, so it is a complete replacement that is required.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on August 30, 2017, 10:37:31 am
Hello,

I have a 1973 AMI/Rowe deauville TI-1. Working just fine until about a month ago. Jukebox didnt play the songs I selected. I would select a song and it would just roll a full cycle and not play anything. Then I would put in a couple more selections and it would play again. Maybe not in the order I selected, but still play them and remember what I had selected previously.

I thought this could be a lubrication issue since it hadnt been oiled in at least 10-15 years. I carefully oiled(sewing machine oil or such and WD-40) a few spots in the machine following the owners manual. After this all noise coming from the machine was a lot smoother, BUT now it plays reeeaally slow. I found a video where a guy explains where you have to clean excess oil and so on, but its still slow. If I carefully adjust the Speed Shift Coil & Idler Wheel Assembly while playing, it will get more speed but wont maintain it. Do I have to replace the speed shift coil? Thank you guys in advance for any help I might get!

Hello saag1,

The only place you should lubricate on a Rowe Ami jukebox of this era is the pivot points of the idler wheel linkage, the turntable shaft and the top and bottom bearing of the turntable motor, the rest is best left dry unless you know what you are doing, the gripper bow should be totally clean & dry with high melting point grease in the trunnion casting sockets (pivot points).

I would remove the turntable and the idler wheel & linkage, strip down and wash in warm soapy water to remove any traces of oil, check the idler wheel for any damage such as dints (these are caused by the wheel being left in contact with the motor shaft for a long time of none use) replace it if this is the case.

WD40 should not come in contact with any jukebox.

I suggest that look at some of my other posts regarding cleaning the following open relays R1 & R5 on the keyboard assembly and S1 & S2 on the search unit, these open & closed contacts need to be cleaned with contact cleaning strips or a paper taper pulled between the contacts.

You will need to check the timing of the jukebox mechanism is correct, turn the mechanism to position A1 using the service switch, now check that the timing mark on the stop plate assembly is showing the 00 mark against the step in the search unit mounting bracket (check the adjustment in your manual).

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: dastardly on August 30, 2017, 10:51:14 am
thanks very much for your help guys Craig
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ed12 on August 30, 2017, 11:45:56 am
u beat me to it  ami-man
wd40 is to never be used
and yes your idler picked up oil
dry it out as was explained
+ the motor shaft and under the turntable where the idler makes contact (platter)

ed
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on August 30, 2017, 08:29:22 pm
yeah, WD-40 is a solvent, not really a lubricant. about all it does is attract dirt when used as an oil

WD-40 is good for cleaning parts...then using a proper oil/lubrication
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: saag1 on August 31, 2017, 03:22:50 am
Thanks guys for all the replys. Clearly an amateur mistake here to use WD40, I just blindly followed "some guy on the internet"s instructions.  :banghead:

I am not super confident I can take out the idler wheel and put it back together, but I'll give it a try. I will let you know in a couple of days. But thanks again so much  :)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ed12 on August 31, 2017, 10:39:06 am
the idler and platter are super easy to remove and install
just watch out for washers under/over the idler (and there order) thick to thin

ed
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 05, 2017, 10:38:54 am
the idler and platter are super easy to remove and install
just watch out for washers under/over the idler (and there order) thick to thin

ed

Hi ed12,

Yes both easy to remove.

There should not be any washers on the idler wheel, on the idler wheel linkage there can be washers on the speed shift coil shaft it it is indeed fitted with a speed shift.

The idler wheel and linkage is held in place by circlips.

I had an 1100 mechanism in the workshop last week where it did not have a turntable  (platter) on fitting a replacement it would not sit correctly on checking out the thrust and spacer bearing it was apparant that someone had altered spacer bearing, the result was that the turntable was about 3 mm too high. Spacer bearing replaced sorted out the issue.

Regards
Alan
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 08, 2017, 08:51:24 am
Hello,

I am on holiday after today until 20th September.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: daws on October 04, 2017, 01:04:57 pm
RI-2 - volume issue

Hoping someone out there could point me in the right direction to sort out a volume issue on an RI-2.

The needle drops onto the record, so far so good. Then, after about 5 seconds, the volume drops significantly and you have to turn it almost to max to get it back up to the original level.

This happens each time a new record goes on, I suspect it has something to do with the signal between the tone arm wiring and the amp but I may be wrong.

After looking in the manual, and looking all round the jukebox, I also realised there's no way of opening up the front or back and getting to the speakers to check wiring from the amp - is this usual.

DAWS
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on October 05, 2017, 05:51:32 am
Hi all,

I finally have the R92 free playing. Whilst doing that tonight the credit/selection display gradually faded right down then went out completely. The jukebox still selects records ok.
Where do I start looking for this issue?
cheers
Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 05, 2017, 08:49:09 am
Hi Stu,

You need to check the connections going to the display board, I am surprised that the jukebox is still selecting.
On the Rowe Ami R-89 to R-94 jukeboxes the display board also controls the selections on the jukebox.

You need to check the display board for dry joints (cold joints USA) for cracking in solder around the pins, I suggest that you also checl out the loom between the display and CCC for poor or dirty connections.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 05, 2017, 08:58:04 am
RI-2 - volume issue

Hoping someone out there could point me in the right direction to sort out a volume issue on an RI-2.

The needle drops onto the record, so far so good. Then, after about 5 seconds, the volume drops significantly and you have to turn it almost to max to get it back up to the original level.

This happens each time a new record goes on, I suspect it has something to do with the signal between the tone arm wiring and the amp but I may be wrong.

After looking in the manual, and looking all round the jukebox, I also realised there's no way of opening up the front or back and getting to the speakers to check wiring from the amp - is this usual.

DAWS

Hi Daws,

What model of amplifier is fitted to your jukebox?

Have you checked the M44 cartridge, it is made up of two parts, a plastic outer case and the metal inner cartridge, theseare only glued together and can become unglued, if this is the case the inner part can be in the wrong position, the stylus may not be fully engaged oor at the wrong angle.

Check the wired from the back of the cartridge to the back of the valve base socket on the side of the mechanism, the wired can come adrift. Check the valve baced plug and clean the pins and make sure the connection is good, you can slay the pins on plug to make it tighter fit.

Check out the amplifier for any dry joints (cold Joints USA) on the connections between the boards.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on October 05, 2017, 04:05:29 pm
Hi Stu,

You need to check the connections going to the display board, I am surprised that the jukebox is still selecting.
On the Rowe Ami R-89 to R-94 jukeboxes the display board also controls the selections on the jukebox.

You need to check the display board for dry joints (cold joints USA) for cracking in solder around the pins, I suggest that you also checl out the loom between the display and CCC for poor or dirty connections.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Hi alan,
I too was surprised to see it still selecting. No error codes on the CCC at all. I did stuff up the original post though. The bloody thing is an R92 (no idea why I keep thinking it is an R91!)
I'll disconnect and remove the display today for a clean and inspection. Hopefully it is just a loose connector.
cheers
Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on October 06, 2017, 02:39:55 am
Powered up the juke today and the computer says no.
I have inspected the display boards no obvious dry joints stand out. Looks like I 'll be replacing it (that could be quite a mission here is Aus. It seems easier to find out about the mob then jukeboxes here).
I finally summoned up the courage to remove the mechanism from the cabinet and clean out the dust in there. Upon further inspection of the tone arm cam I have found a small nick worn in the tone arm cam.  I think that is why the tone arm sticks at the start of the record. I am also missing 2 of the 4 rubber blocks that the mechanism springs sit on. The computer and amp both seem to working fine. The speakers foam is getting a bit tired. I reckon I'll concentrate on getting it working correctly then replace speakers, blown bulbs etc after that.
I only paid $50 for the machine, all it has cost me so far is a new stylus (almost as much as the machine).

cheers

Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 06, 2017, 06:26:17 am
Hi Stu,

It may be prudent to contact Erwin Boot at Flamingo Records in Hobart Tasmania, he still does a bit with jukeboxes. We send each other the odd email re parts for Rowe Ami, He may even be a member on here.

We also service customers in Australia & New Zealand with parts/repairs.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on October 06, 2017, 06:54:23 am
Hi Alan,

It was bothering me all afternoon. So I went out and removed the display and cleaned all the contacts again. Reassembled and it works fine again!
I'll try Erwin for a tonearm cam and the rubber blocks
Thanks for the help

cheers
Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: phesson on October 06, 2017, 10:41:19 am
Hello,

I have a Rowe AMI R-90. At times when switching from an A-side to a B-side, or vice versa,  the turntable motor will play backwards, causing the needle to bump against the lead groove on the album until the Cancel button pressed.
I have no idea what could be causing this or what the solution might be.  :-[
Any help would be appreciated.

Paul
Ohio, USA
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on October 06, 2017, 06:03:27 pm
Hi again,
After loading the records into the machine I moved the service mode switch back to on (it felt stiff) and now nothing happens the +8v led on the computer is not lit. If i push the switch slider down slightly the led slowly comes on. I think I'll need to replace the service mode switch. Will this problem cause damage to the CCC?

cheers
Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 09, 2017, 09:02:22 am
Hello,

I have a Rowe AMI R-90. At times when switching from an A-side to a B-side, or vice versa,  the turntable motor will play backwards, causing the needle to bump against the lead groove on the album until the Cancel button pressed.
I have no idea what could be causing this or what the solution might be.  :-[
Any help would be appreciated.

Paul
Ohio, USA

Hi Paul,

Well that is a fault I have not come across before, it is common on the CD jukeboxes but not on vinyl, I would check out the Mechanism Control and the turntable motor capacitors for any faults.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 09, 2017, 09:06:29 am
Hi again,
After loading the records into the machine I moved the service mode switch back to on (it felt stiff) and now nothing happens the +8v led on the computer is not lit. If i push the switch slider down slightly the led slowly comes on. I think I'll need to replace the service mode switch. Will this problem cause damage to the CCC?

cheers
Stu

Hi Stu,

Time to replace the service switch or to take it appart and clean all of the contacts (a pencil rubber is the best tool for cleaning the contacts) if the contacts have lost their silver coating then you will have no option other than replacement.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Cpd1212 on November 05, 2017, 12:20:09 pm
Great wealth of information around here.

I have a Rowe Ami MM6 that I've had for several years now.  It works great except for the fact it constantly is one selection off when playing a record.  I've learned to deal with that.

What I would like to know, is how would I go about connecting a wallbox to my MM6?  I would like to connect one, possibly two, in different locations.

What wallbox would be ideal to install, and what additional parts would I need to add to the MM6?

Many thanks,
Chris
Chicago, IL
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 06, 2017, 05:17:02 am
Hello Chris,

Welcome to the forum.

Re your one selection off, you need to check the Stop Plate Assemby (behind the search unit).
Scan around to A1 and check the 200 (it may be marked 00) on the edge of the stop plate assembly is in agline with the step in the seaech unit bracket (check in your manual, this is how to time the mechanism).

With regards to connecting one or more wallboxes, you will require a wallbox transformer to power up the wallboxes (this transformer needs a relay that holds over the AC Control to prevent the selections being made from the jukebox and the wallboxes at the same time. In the UK these made for the job in metal case called a PL10B, We do stock them.

You will also require a stepper.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: martinjack on November 07, 2017, 11:16:52 pm
Hi Allen,
I have Rowe amp from a Eagle jukebox which is being repaired by a local tech. He informs me that the diodes on the both 'diode assembly 40862901' under the heat sink are faulty & are all black & burned etc so he can not tell what values they are & the values for the diodes are not list in the manual schematic. I have seached the web & can not find any info, so I'm hoping you can help me.

Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 08, 2017, 06:30:50 am
Hi Martin,

I am sorry I have worked on an Eagle jukebox, I assume however that the amplifier will be a standard 250 watt amplifier that has two diode packs, for these to burn out the amplifier has suffered a serious fault.

I advise you to take the amplifier to a Rowe Ami specialist, if you are in the USA I suggest Bruce Wentworth at AB Leisure.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on November 08, 2017, 02:19:00 pm
Hi Allen,
I have Rowe amp from a Eagle jukebox which is being repaired by a local tech. He informs me that the diodes on the both 'diode assembly 40862901' under the heat sink are faulty & are all black & burned etc so he can not tell what values they are & the values for the diodes are not list in the manual schematic. I have seached the web & can not find any info, so I'm hoping you can help me.

Cheers
Martin

these diodes typically do look burned/black. it's just the way they are made.

I find the most common problem with them is a broken lead solder on the board. I've never had one fail and i've had driver boards catch on fire and transistors pop and they are still fine.

i mean unless it's obviously blown out the ass and left a skidmark... i'd say they are most likely fine.

usually it's just transistors that blow unless you have a old revision board, then the drivers catch on fire and burn a trace out.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tgmilazzo on November 17, 2017, 03:33:10 am
Hope this is the right place to post this. Just recently got a cd100 down to my bar and I'm having problems with the remote volume control. The regular volume control seems to work fine but when I wire the external stereo volume control 30632201 it gets really loud and I don't seem to have control anymore, like it's going to max volume. Am I supposed to unhook the built in volume control or is it possible on of the two potentiometers are bard? I tried testing them with a meter and they seem to change resistance when you turn the knob but I'm a rookie when it comes to electronics. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I'd love to have this thing up and running for the weekend.
Thanks,
Tony
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on November 17, 2017, 10:54:03 am
if you install an external volume, you must unhook the one built into the jukebox.

just remove the red/black wires and tuck them out of the way... hook up your external.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tgmilazzo on November 17, 2017, 04:03:40 pm
Thanks that worked for the volume but the cancel on the remote is not working. I tried disconnecting one then both wires from the built in cancel button but still nothing. Any idea how to troubleshoot?
Thanks,
Tony
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on November 18, 2017, 12:50:20 pm
can you verify the cancel on the juke works first? if it does, you may have a broken wire or button issue in the remote.

you must connect your cancel button leads between "common" and "cancel"
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tgmilazzo on November 18, 2017, 08:52:45 pm
The cancel button on the juke works fine. Inside the remote volume knob/ cancel button combo visual inspection appears the wires that come from the knob and button to the mounting strip are all intact and soldered well. I tried jumping a wire across from white to black at the mounting strip inside the knob enclosure and that also didn't do anything? Am I understanding right that the cancel button just completes the connection from common to cancel?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on November 18, 2017, 09:37:34 pm
yes, that should be all you need.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on November 28, 2017, 01:23:56 am


Hi Stu,

Time to replace the service switch or to take it appart and clean all of the contacts (a pencil rubber is the best tool for cleaning the contacts) if the contacts have lost their silver coating then you will have no option other than replacement.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Hi Alan,
I totally dismantled the service switch again and under a magnifying lamp cleaned and polished all the contacts inside with the dremel. I then reassembled it applied electronic clean and lube, worked the switch a few times and eureka I had power to the mechanism and the mech control board once more.
Incredibly there was another fault that must have occurred at exactly the same time the switch lunched itself. The orange wire to the CCC had a break in it. I replaced the wire and once more it is working again.
I just received the new tone arm cam from Erwin Boot today (the one in the machine has a groove worn into it that causes the tonearm to stick at the start of the record. All I need now is a bit of time to replace it.
Getting there a little bit at a time.
Cheers
Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 28, 2017, 09:48:02 am
Hi Stu,

I am glad to hear that you are making progress with the jukebox.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Mickey on January 09, 2018, 11:09:47 am
Picked up a Rowe R-81 at an auction a few years back.  Just getting around to work on it.  It needs some TLC, but seems to be in OK shape.  When I plug it in, it immediately picks up a record, deposits it on the turntable and plays it.  Not perfectly but it plays.  Some adjustments are needed, but nothing that I can't take care of.

The problem is, once the record finishes playing, it is picked up, returned to the carousel then picked up and played again.  It just plays the same record over and over on its own until you shut it off or unplug it.  The carousel is not jammed as I can rotate it by hitting the scan button but whatever record i stop at just continues to play.  The "clear memory" button does not solve the problem.
The display does not light up and doesn't seem to have any power to it.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.  I am in upstate NY.

Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on January 11, 2018, 05:26:55 am
Hello Mickey,

I have contacted you directly, please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on March 22, 2018, 06:25:36 pm
Hi,
I need to replace the speakers and the sound deadening material in the bottom of the cabinet of my R92.
I figure whilst I am at it a clean out of the cabinet bottom would be in order (dirt,dust spider etc).
It seems that this task is pretty much impossible to do with the front door in place.
How do I remove the front door?
cheers
Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on March 26, 2018, 08:18:24 am
Hello Stu,

You will see a couple of safety wire that you will have to unclip and the door will just lift off, just undo all the plugs for the lighting etc.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on March 27, 2018, 05:30:59 pm
Hello Stu,

You will see a couple of safety wire that you will have to unclip and the door will just lift off, just undo all the plugs for the lighting etc.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Thanks again Alan. I have the juke playing and selecting records I need to adjust the set down position slightly then  it will be fine. The CD changer will be next
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tjstogy on April 02, 2018, 12:28:37 am
Hi everyone, does anyone have a manual for a R-91 or similar model they can send me? I was hoping someone had it on their computer to send it to me (I don't want to pay $20 for a jukebox manual!)

Also, what kind of speakers (ohms/wattage) can I use for external speakers?

Thanks!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tjstogy on April 04, 2018, 01:21:01 am
I have a huge issue--- I was getting distorted sound from the front left mid range speaker in my R91. In order to fix this, I've replaced all of the speakers, the needle, driver amp transistors and fuses, and cleaned all molex plug contacts with a wire brush and contact cleaner.

Still have the distortion in the left mid range speaker. Any tips on narrowing down the problems any further? Thank you!!!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on April 04, 2018, 02:25:14 am
going to have to either describe this distortion or upload a video to youtube of what it sounds like.

"distortion" can be caused by anything from dirty power to aliens.

IF I had to hazard a guess, something might be amiss in the crossover if it's just 1 speaker doing it and swapping the jukes left and right speaker lead makes the issue stay the same.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 04, 2018, 08:41:51 am
Hello Tom,

I would put all the old speakers back into the jukebox, they were designed to be in there and are correct for the cross over units and ouyput package.

The issue is more than likely with your amplifier, the standard amplifier should be the 130 watt part number 6-09931-01 (the -01 revision number can be higher).

You need to send it to a Rowe Ami specalist who will have a dual beamed ociliscope and a signal generator to check this out.

If you are in the USA then your best option is AB leisure or myself in the UK.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: tjstogy on April 04, 2018, 04:24:30 pm
Is there any kind of troubleshooting I can do on my own to identify the likely culprit (pre amp, driver board, etc) before sending the whole amp in?

I know there are 2 driver boards-- are they interchangeable? In other words: if removed a driver board off, put it on the opposite side, and ended up with distortion on the right speaker instead, would that deduce me needing a new driver board?

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: chris6259 on April 05, 2018, 07:40:10 am
Good afternoon,

I am looking discution about WRD wallbox and I saw that some of you are specialist on it
I bought 3 wrd wallbox and I have also a R 85 jukebox

So I would like to connect my wallboxes to my jukebox so do you know wich interface I need to buy please, in order to connect it (and if you have some pictures or details of connection to help me to understand)

Thank you for your support, I appreciate the different answers in the blog
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on April 05, 2018, 04:30:43 pm
The WRD wallbox works right out of the box with the R-80, R-81, R-82 and R-83),

With the R-84 and up models, the wallbox does not connect directly. You had to use an "interface box" part # 2-66965-01. (original manual part number) I'm not sure if there is a more recent part number or a modern backwards compatible unit with a different number.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 06, 2018, 06:13:49 am
The 4-06372-03 Wallbox interface should be suitable, you will also need a wallbox transformer, the Rowe Ami original transformers powered up to 4 wallboxes.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: chris6259 on April 06, 2018, 07:02:22 am
Thank you for you answer

If I well understood, I need the wall box interface 4 06372 03 for 1 Wallbox to 4  and if I want to put more than 4 wallboxes, I need the  original transormers
For the connection of 3 wall box, as there is one 1 wire with 8 connection, I need to put a "divider" in order to put the 3 wallboxes ?
Is there somedy has picture of complete installation please ?

Thank you for you support
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 06, 2018, 09:56:36 am
Hello Chris,

With regards to the transformers you can only wire up to 4 wallboxes on each transformer, on installations using several wallboxes they would use a number of transformer to power up the 28 volts AC to supply the wallboxes with power, the clock and data lines from the wallboxes go direct to the interface, it can be prudent to put inline fuses (500 ma) on each of the clock & data lines incase anyone cuts the cables going to the wallboxes onsite, these help protect the wallboxes and the interface.

Run induvidual cables to each wallbox, do not daisy chain them.

Regards
Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: chris6259 on April 06, 2018, 05:08:21 pm
Hello

Thank you for your answer
Do you have a manual of the wallbox  WRD or other in order to help me
Thank you very much
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: WHJ on April 08, 2018, 03:14:40 pm
Hello Alan,

My name is Wieger from the Netherlands and since a few months I am the proud owner of a Rowe R85 Starlight. This very nice jukebox is working great, but I have a small problem with the sound I hope you know the answer to. When I play a record, as soon as the needle hits the record some crackling and murmur (is this the correct English word for it? I used Google translate :D ) sounds are noticable. It doesn't overpower loud pieces of music, but is very noticable on quiet pieces of the record. When I turn the volume all the way down I obviously don't hear music but the crackling and murmur is still there, at the same loudness as before. Changing volume doesn't change the volume of the crackling. After a while playing multiple records the crackling looks to become a bit less, but it never seems to go away completely.

Do you have any idea what could cause this?

Thanks,
Wieger
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: R0N on April 09, 2018, 02:01:41 am
Hi Alan,

I got myself a R-82 Black magic, it is working great except for a buzzing power supply, that can be fixed..:)

I have a question: When looking down at the power supply, a bit more to the back there is an opening that looks like a place for a ventilator.. Should there be any? I could make a photo if that helps ..

Thanks in advance..

 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 09, 2018, 07:20:12 am
Hello Ron,

Yes lets have some pictures.

If the power supply transformer is buzzing, slacken the four nuts that hold it to the power supply chassis and and tighten the screws that go through the transformer irons to make sure they are tight. re tighten the nuts that hold it to the chassis and retest, if it is still noisy then you will need to replace the transformer/power supply that may have a fault on the windings.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: R0N on April 09, 2018, 02:06:16 pm
Hi Alan,

Thanks for your quick response..:)

Hello Ron,

Yes lets have some pictures.

The photo (turned sideways)...
On the right the hole in the bottom panel of the jukebox as I mentioned..

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2i7wrwj.jpg)

It looks like a hole protecting a ventilator or something..
 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 10, 2018, 09:18:39 am
Hello Ron,

That vent goes right through the jukebox base through a tube and it will pull air from below the jukebox and push it out of the vent above the amplifier, this is of course only if you have the amplifier compartment door on that sits infront of the ouput package.

The power supply sits on the front edge of the jukebox under the flourescent tube.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: R0N on April 10, 2018, 03:51:04 pm
Hello Ron,

That vent goes right through the jukebox base through a tube and it will pull air from below the jukebox and push it out of the vent above the amplifier, this is of course only if you have the amplifier compartment door on that sits infront of the ouput package.

The power supply sits on the front edge of the jukebox under the flourescent tube.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Ah ok, cool.. no vent below there..
Well my first task will be to fix the buzz from the psu..

Thanks for your help so far..:)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: WHJ on April 13, 2018, 04:05:47 pm
Hello Alan,

My name is Wieger from the Netherlands and since a few months I am the proud owner of a Rowe R85 Starlight. This very nice jukebox is working great, but I have a small problem with the sound I hope you know the answer to. When I play a record, as soon as the needle hits the record some crackling and murmur (is this the correct English word for it? I used Google translate :D ) sounds are noticable. It doesn't overpower loud pieces of music, but is very noticable on quiet pieces of the record. When I turn the volume all the way down I obviously don't hear music but the crackling and murmur is still there, at the same loudness as before. Changing volume doesn't change the volume of the crackling. After a while playing multiple records the crackling looks to become a bit less, but it never seems to go away completely.

Do you have any idea what could cause this?

Thanks,
Wieger

Hi Allen,
Any chance on an answer on my question or is it too much of a noob (which I am) question to answer?  ;D
Wieger
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 17, 2018, 11:17:59 am
Hallo Wieger,

Wat is de conditie van uw stylus? is de cartridge correct bedraad volgens uw handleiding? heb je een beeld van de aansluitingen van je uitvoerpakket en de kleuren van de aangesloten draden?

De cartridge kan defect zijn, in sommige gevallen kan het binnenste gedeelte van de cartridge losraken van de buitenste plastic schaal. Als dit het geval is, is de naald niet correct aangebracht.

Sorry voor de vertaling

vriendelijke groeten
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Hello Wieger,

What is the condition of your stylus? is the cartridge wired correctly as per your manual? do you have a picture of your output package connections and the colours of the wires connected to it?

The cartridge could be faulty, in some cases the inner part of the cartridge can become unglued from the outer plastic shell, if this is the case then the stylus is not fitted correctly.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: WHJ on April 18, 2018, 05:54:28 am
Hi Allen,

Thanks for your answer. I do understand English pretty well, just didn't know the word for murmur, so the translate you did wasn't needed, but thanks for the effort !  :applaud:

I only have a fieldservice manual and that doesn't seem to have a picture on how the wiring of the cartridge should be. I included a picture of my tonearm and hope you can make out how it should be.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2wfmlbr.jpg)

My stylus looks to me pretty flat. I don't know if that is how it's supposed to be or not, but old turntables I used to have seemed to have more of a hook on the styles and this one of the Rowe is much flatter. I also included a close up of the styles in hopes you can make out if that is normal or not.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/hrbokp.jpg)

Thanks,
Wieger


Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: chris6259 on April 21, 2018, 02:23:48 pm
Hello Ron

I saw the picture of your jukebox and I need you help about it
Is it possible to have more picture inside please
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 23, 2018, 05:50:25 am
Hello Wieger,

That end of the tone am cartridge wiring is correct, on the four pin connection on the side of the mechanism, there is usually a small label showing you the connection colours and location.

The three pin phono connection to the four pin plug is that red & green go to two outer connections of the 3 pin plug and black & white go to the center pin ofthe 3 pin plug, these are screened connections.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lostslayer78 on May 03, 2018, 09:55:06 pm
Hi Alan,

A couple months ago I picked up a Rowe RI-1G.  First thing I did was purchase a service manual, and between that and advice I've read here (like cleaning the open relays) I got it working great.  Transfer arm was completely out of synch, couple of bad micro-switches, etc.

Anyway, it worked flawlessly for a few weeks then it developed this strange intermittent problem.  As a record is playing and you put in your next selection, everything works fine but when the buttons unlatch, at the same moment I lose sound in the left speaker.  Or possibly left channel, hard to tell with the center being summed to mono and it being so intermittent.  As in no hiss or anything out of that speaker.  The only way I've been able to "fix" it is to pick up the tonearm and rub the stylus with my thumb.  After a few times, it makes a loud enough "pop" that all of a sudden the speaker comes back to life.  It may work fine through a bunch of selections, then it will do it again.  Every time it is when the buttons unlatch.

It's very bizarre and admittedly I've had no time lately to really start looking into it, but wondered if you've ever heard of something like this before, or maybe where I should start looking.  After all the repairs I've done on this, this one is really a stumper.  Crossover?  Cartridge or stylus?  I'd appreciate any advice you could give.

Thanks,
Eric
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 04, 2018, 08:33:00 am
Hello Eric,

Your issue could be the wires on the back of the valve base connector on the side of the mechanism where the wires from the tone arm connect to this phono input connection, the wires are very fine, also the valve base type plug connections could be dirty, clean the pins with one of those fibre glass pencils (watch repairs use these for cleaning battery connections).

I would remove the rear speaker panel to inspect the bass speaker, I have yet to find one where the foam speaker surround has not rotted, if this is the case then you need to get it repaired. We offer this service from the UK.

Regards
Alan
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lostslayer78 on May 04, 2018, 05:37:49 pm
Hi Alan,

Thanks for the advice, I will look there for starters.  I remember wiggling that connection when I was trying to replicate the problem.  I'll have to look at it closer and give it a good inspection and cleaning then.

As far as the center speaker surround goes, yeah I already took care of that.  I've done quite a few speaker surrounds over the years.  You're right, it was completely rotten.  I knew right away when I got the juke working and it was rattling away in there.

Thanks again,
Eric
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: titofuego on May 10, 2018, 03:55:07 pm
Hello!

I've recently relocated an inherited Rowe AMI R85 Starburst to a new home.  Luckily, it arrived alive in one piece, and in fully working order.  I've just run into a snag after loading it up and running some test plays.  I'll describe the chain of events in the hopes it may help diagnose the problem.

-Loaded up the batch of records, no snags, service mode magazine rotation working fine.
-Test selection, appropriate record chosen, and playing
-Noticed EQ was off, cancel/cut button pressed to stop 45 to open and adjust EQ
-Opened, adjusted EQ (could've brushed some wires during this process, perhaps a connection was shaken loose)
-Issue begins

Issue: no magazine rotation in service mode (working just fine prior to enacting cut record button / opening and adjusting EQ sliders), no selection number displayed on outer LED display (working just fine prior), when switched to On mode, no full magazine rotation back to 00.

Certainly disheartening after getting it moved across town and finally loaded up!

Still in the middle of aforementioned relocation, so no time to dive deeply into the Service Manual.

Initial queries:  Does the cut record button require a second action to reset the cartridge (i.e. is the cut/cancel button the cause of this issue)?  Is this is a common problem?  Any ideas on the cause without further information beyond what I've mentioned?

Any help / information / suggestions are beyond appreciated.  This Jukebox is an heirloom and a strong sentimental object with regards to my late father who left it to me.  It will mean more than I can explain briefly to get it up and running in my new house!

I can also append photos later of the CCC/Other components for further troubleshooting.  Please let me know what's most important to capture for diagnosing.  Very excited (in a way...) for this opportunity to learn more about the machine.

Thanks!

Iggy
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 11, 2018, 09:26:57 am
Hello Iggy,

If we had your jukebox in the workshop we would start with the power supply (junction box) and remove the power supply PCB and check it out for dry joints (called cold joints in the USA) if having checked an d reflowed the header connections to the PCB (on this PCB it is usually down to the header pins from the transformer connector. In some instances we have found that there can be metal fatiuge on the spade connectors going to the breakers attached to the chassis.

Moving on check the service switch for the AC & DC voltages, check the same on the Molex plug going into the left hand side of the mechanism.

Regard the pricing board as a gloryfied connection block so check the top and bottom connection headed pins for dry joints, all lines of data go through this board.

Check the CCC and the mechanism for dry joints on the header pins. Do not try soldering any of the componet connections on the board, we find if we have taken in any boards for repairs where this has been done it adds hours of work to rectify any faults.

In the service position if you press the cancel button on the mechanism the basket will scan and you should see the index led flash on every slot and on stopping on slot 99 the home led should be lit, rocking the basket left and right the index led should not be lit, if it does see your manual for the opto switch adjustments.

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: RetroNay on May 14, 2018, 03:01:13 pm
I acquired a ami rowe JAL-200. I can get it to power on but that's it.
I'm going crazy with trying to understand the functions and have been reading the manual every day. All coins go right to the cash box area and doesn't select or play anything. If I push the scan button the record carousel will spin but that's it.
I'm trying to diagnose if it's the coin area or the credit area that isn't recognizing credits to play.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on May 21, 2018, 06:29:47 am
Hi,
Is it possible to use a sony car 10 disc cd changer in an R92 combo that has the sony cdp- c910 10 disc changer?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on May 21, 2018, 06:40:33 am
Hi again,

Would anyone have an original cd title card from an R92 combo? I am interested to see what they looked like. On the face of it I'd reckon that they were different to the cd juke ones as the title strip holder has the number on the left and not in the box on the top of the card?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: uncivilengineer on June 06, 2018, 04:17:16 pm
Alan,
(nice name by the way)...

I picked up a non-working Rowe CD-100b with a CDM-3 player last night, and I am trying to get it working.  I don't know the history of the machine, but I suspect it has a non-working cd player.

The first thing I noticed is that there is no RCA cable plug in either the right or left CD inputs of the amp board.  Is this where the CD drive is supposed to plug in?  Where is the audio outs on the CDM-3?

Can I test the amp by simply plugging in an RCA audio source into the CD inputs on the amp board?

Lastly, I did re-initalize the machine, and it will select a CD from input form the keypad.  It places the cd on the cradle, spins up for about 30 seconds, and then removes the CD.  Is this typical of a dying CD player?

If the CD drive is bad, is it worth buying the upgrade kit from Happ?  Or would I be better off going the MP3 replacement route?
Thanks,
--Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 08, 2018, 07:00:31 am
Alan,
(nice name by the way)...

I picked up a non-working Rowe CD-100b with a CDM-3 player last night, and I am trying to get it working.  I don't know the history of the machine, but I suspect it has a non-working cd player.

The first thing I noticed is that there is no RCA cable plug in either the right or left CD inputs of the amp board.  Is this where the CD drive is supposed to plug in?  Where is the audio outs on the CDM-3?

Can I test the amp by simply plugging in an RCA audio source into the CD inputs on the amp board?

Lastly, I did re-initalize the machine, and it will select a CD from input form the keypad.  It places the cd on the cradle, spins up for about 30 seconds, and then removes the CD.  Is this typical of a dying CD player?

If the CD drive is bad, is it worth buying the upgrade kit from Happ?  Or would I be better off going the MP3 replacement route?
Thanks,
--Alan

Hi Alan,

As you will have seen there are two ribbon cables from the CDM-3 that connect into the Phillips Decoder, the larger of the two is connected the other way round from the power and the smaller plug into the decoder, it does catch people out.

You say you have initalized the machine, a full initalization takes over 40 minutes to complete. If you go into programming you can see what CD's are initalized, if you do not have any listed then there could be an issue with the CDM-3 or the Mechanism Control/Decoder.

Usually the upgrade route is too costly to justify unless you have a lot of money tied into the machine.
To go from a CDM-3, CDM-4 to CDM-12 or CD-PRO the power supply has to be upgraded from the earlier 8 volts DC to 9 volts DC, a different Mechanism Control is used and then a new laser.

On the Philips Decoder CDM-3 are two phono connections there should be a phono cable from the decoder to the amplifer phono input.

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: uncivilengineer on June 08, 2018, 10:56:26 am
Alan,
Thanks for getting back to me.  I have made some progress with the machine. 
I tested the amplifier with another audio source and discovered that it has issues.  I pulled the amplifier out, and discovered all the 8 amp fuses were blown, and the four main transistors were shorted out from collector to emitter.  I have a couple of matched sets of transistors on order.

As for the CD player, the RCA cable between the decoder and the amplifier was indeed missing.  I replaced it with a patch cable I had on hand.  I have cleaned the laser lens (a q-tip with 90% alcohol on it), and verified the laser is working.  During startup, the laser tries to focus, but the servo never moves.  The driver board under the cd player looks like someone sprayed contact cleaner on it, and one of the corners looks burnt.  The curious part is the burnt corner does not appear to have any components on it.  I reseated all the connectors, and had no change in function.  The machine will still load a CD, try three times to spin it up, and the return it to the rack.

I am leaning towards replacing it with the CDM3 upgrade that Happ sells here.   (https://na.suzohapp.com/products/jukebox_audio_equipment/95-1997-00)  Have you installed this kit before?  I've read that it may require some soldering to get it to work with my CD100B, but I can do that if necessary.
Thanks,
Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dabowhunter on June 10, 2018, 12:26:13 pm
Hello
Could you please tell me how to change my AM I Rowe CTI-1 to free play. Thank you
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 11, 2018, 08:23:08 am
Hello Dabowhunter,

Usually on this era of Rowe Ami free play can be achieved by switching over on of the bonus switches on the keyboard, it usually the left or right switch.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: turnergsoh on June 12, 2018, 08:14:11 am
Hi Alan

I have recently bought an R90 jukebox which was not working, however I have fixed most of the problems and it is almost all working now. I have two remaining problems, one with the amplifier which is not an original Ami amp, and one with the lamp control.

The amplifier is a UK supplied Rainbow MKIV amp, and it works fine for a while then the sound cuts out, if I switch the juke box off for a few minutes it works again for a while. Strangely when the sound does cut out, if it hold my finger on the bottom pin of the Auxiliary connector the sound comes back. I discovered this whilst wiggling connectors to check for dry joints.

With the lamp control, all of the small lamps work ok when the lamp control switch is set to CONT, if I move the switch to the next position LIGHT all the lights go out and the music is muted, a relay can be heard clicking possibly in the power supply or amplifier.

Any guidance on these issues would be much appreciated.

Best regards

Glyn
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dabowhunter on June 12, 2018, 10:42:48 pm
Hello Dabowhunter,

Usually on this era of Rowe Ami free play can be achieved by switching over on of the bonus switches on the keyboard, it usually the left or right switch.

Regards
Alan
Alan,
I am not seeing any switches  around or on  the key board.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 13, 2018, 09:37:07 am
Hello Alan,

You need to gain access to the keyboard, you will see the bonus switches to the right of the latchbar solenoid.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on June 17, 2018, 09:06:43 pm
Hi All,
This morning I replaced the missing title strip fluro tube and starter in my R92. I used a t8 30W tube (apparently tubes are not voltage specific) and a 220/240v starter. It works just fine on the 118v Ballast.
Cheers
Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dabowhunter on June 21, 2018, 08:52:40 pm
Alan,
My CTI-1 is auto canceling records about 80% of the time. Don't seem to be any pattern to it. Seems to happen to all selections with some less  frequent than others. I did back off the screw on top of the tone arm so it was no where near contacting the plate. I believe that is the system for canceling when there is no record on turn table. The tone arm does sit down on the record and you can even hear a split second of music before it rejects. Is there another possible cause I can check on?  I have made adjustments on where the tone arm sets down via the screw on the back of the tone arm. Also have made adjustments for the reed switch that starts the mechanisms to return record to carousel. The tone arm does not seem to go far enough to trip the reed switch.  Thoughts and advice much appreciated.  Regards, Don

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 22, 2018, 08:05:36 am
Hello Don,

Conduct a test by removing one of the wires that go to the cut off switch (reject reed switch) if it does not reject then, you will need a replacement reed switch.

The autocut off screw is designed so it will reject when there is no record present or if the record is badly warped, if you put a record on the turntable there should be about a 25 thou gap (sparkplug size gap) between the plate and the end of the screw.

Also check that the reject button on the back of the jukebox has not been damaged.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dabowhunter on June 22, 2018, 09:12:27 pm
Allan,
I will test the reed switch tomorrow. That may explain why I am also having problems with the record not canceling at the end of song. I did notice today that the first several records I selected played fine. Than  the more I played the more frequent records rejected. Can the reed switch work intermittently? Also do you know where I can get one. If possible maybe the whole cutoff board assembly? Thanks!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dabowhunter on June 24, 2018, 05:49:25 pm
Alan,
I disconnected wire from reed switch and it still is auto cancelling. I also checked cancel button on back of unit and disconnected it as well. Again still getting auto cancelled at a high percentage. It seems to work best when I first turn it on and gets progressively worse. Can you suggest what to try next? Thanks, Don
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dabowhunter on June 24, 2018, 10:17:32 pm
Duplicate post
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 26, 2018, 06:36:01 am
Hello Don,

If you look at the reed switch if the glass is cracked it allows the contact wires to move, this is the only intermittent issue you can get with the reed switch.

I do sell them just the reed switch or conplete in the mounting/adjustment bracket.

It may be prudent to check out camswitch CS5 for operation and that the uninsulated spade connections are not touching each other.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dabowhunter on June 27, 2018, 08:14:43 am
Hello again Allan,
I can not see anything visually wrong with reed switch. The auto rejecting continued to occur after disconnecting a wire from reed switch. Would that eliminate reed switch as source of problem?
I also checked that no wire connections were touching on the cam switches. I did watch the cam and noticed when it never fully stops at CS 5 when it rejects.
So to recap the problem, when box has not been played for a while first 4 or 5 records will play and return to carousel properly. But I do notice the record is muted for few seconds into the record.
  After the first 4-5 records have played, it begins to auto reject about 80 to 90 percent of records. Than when it does not reject a record it will play fine till the record is about 3/4 over. Than the record will start to act like it's stuck in a groove and repeat and repeat till I advance record manually. It will than stick again. It will do this on all records that have no issue. I don't see or feel anything impeding tone arms advance. I am wondering if all the issues have a common cause.
Thanks for your help, Don
 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 27, 2018, 08:48:13 am
Hi Don,

It is time for out of the box thinking.

OK remove the mute plug lets see if there is issue in this area.

Remove at least one wire from the reed switch the cancel button on the back of the jukebox and also the cancel button in the jukebox, disconect the autocancel wire secured to the tone arm.

With regards to the records sticking I suspect that the way the tone arm wires are routed is your issue, the wires should go around the back of the tone arm pivot shaft and bearing.

It could be prudent to send me some pictures of your tone arm and wiring, by PM.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: No sound on my JAH-200
Post by: Z3I on June 27, 2018, 04:21:30 pm
Hi, hope you can help me!

I've owned my Ami200 for 10 years now without a problem. However, at the weekend suddenly the soundtrack stopped, followed by a loud hum/buzz, and the smell of something getting very hot!

Opened up the back to look at what might be wrong, and could see the 5U4GBEH valve glowing bright. Removed and replaced it, but no difference, plus I could see sparks in the valve. Any clues as to what might be amiss?

Grateful for suggestions!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 28, 2018, 08:43:45 am
Hello Z3I,

Sorry you did not give your name.

I suggest that you unplug the amplifier the jukebox and contact a Rowe Ami specialist who can test and rebuild your amplifier.

It will not be cheap but more than likely many of the components (capacitors and some of the larger resistors will need replacing) lets hope that there has been no damage to the output transformers or the 110 volt transformer on the amplifier.

These refurbishments are a labour of love.

Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dabowhunter on June 28, 2018, 03:14:12 pm
Alan
I pulled the mute plug and all the other connections per your suggestion. It still auto canceled records. Thought this would have all possible sources negated. Frustrating to say the least. Any chance s 4 or s5 switches could be a hair out of alignment with cam? When the record does play the high notch on cam is setting right on s5. When it rejects the record the cam does not even stop at s5 at all.
Regards, Don
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on June 29, 2018, 06:54:58 pm
Hi,
I have the c10 disc sony cd changer in my R92 working again.
There is a label inside the juke that says after changing discs to place service switch to service type 777 and close the top door.
Is that  right? I did get the player initialised (fluke) and working it is playing and selecting normally. What is the procedure for initialising the cd changer?

Also when pressing the popular button the juke selects 158. This is disabled in the computer and not selectable from the keypad. There is no record in the basket and no popularity data in the memorec after I reset the data.
What would be causing it to do this?
cheers
Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dabowhunter on June 29, 2018, 10:15:10 pm
Looks like I may have fixed the auto rejecting problem on my CTI-1. I loosened the screws on the S5 switch and slid it closer to the cam. Since than I have played about 80 selections without an auto reject. I did have three records that did the sticking thing. Will try and send some pics of wiring around tone arm  to you Alan. Also had two records that didn't reject at end of record. I may need to adjust for that.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Klyph on June 30, 2018, 11:09:53 am
Hello, I’m having a problem with my R86 jukebox making a squeal/squeak noise when the magazine turns. I replaced the sprag wheel thinking that was the problem but it still makes the noise. I took the belt off and it still makes the noise when turning. I think it may be the motor itself. I made a video: https://youtu.be/lPI1Z6pkBA4. Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on July 01, 2018, 11:46:27 pm
don't go spraying things willy-nilly... there is a VERY specific list of things that need OIL...things that need GREASE....and things that need NOTHING.

spraying random things down makes things dirty very quickly...and can cause some things to fail if the wrong lube is used (will attack the plastics and make gears brittle and break)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on July 02, 2018, 09:04:13 am
Hello, I’m having a problem with my R86 jukebox making a squeal/squeak noise when the magazine turns. I replaced the sprag wheel thinking that was the problem but it still makes the noise. I took the belt off and it still makes the noise when turning. I think it may be the motor itself. I made a video: https://youtu.be/lPI1Z6pkBA4. Any help would be appreciated.

Hello Klyph,

Watching your video that sound would apear to be a mechanical catching sound, I would check the side cheeks of the gripper bow guide assembly, if they get bent into the mechanism they can catch the records.
Also look at the opening in the guide assembly, there is a piece of plastic that raises the gipper bow above the records and the belt guides. It is a common fault on the 1100, 1200 and R-84 upwards mechanism, this plastic must be replaced if broken.
The first sign of it being broken is cracked records.

Regards
Alan
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Klyph on July 02, 2018, 07:03:57 pm
Hello, I’m having a problem with my R86 jukebox making a squeal/squeak noise when the magazine turns. I replaced the sprag wheel thinking that was the problem but it still makes the noise. I took the belt off and it still makes the noise when turning. I think it may be the motor itself. I made a video: https://youtu.be/lPI1Z6pkBA4. Any help would be appreciated.

Hello Klyph,

Watching your video that sound would apear to be a mechanical catching sound, I would check the side cheeks of the gripper bow guide assembly, if they get bent into the mechanism they can catch the records.
Also look at the opening in the guide assembly, there is a piece of plastic that raises the gipper bow above the records and the belt guides. It is a common fault on the 1100, 1200 and R-84 upwards mechanism, this plastic must be replaced if broken.
The first sign of it being broken is cracked records.

Regards
Alan
ami-man
UK

Thanks. I also should have mentioned when I had taken the motor out to replace the sprag wheel the magazine spun freely without making the sound at all. I’ll check the things you mentioned.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ldj1002 on July 03, 2018, 12:48:34 pm
Just registered and need to know how to post a question on AMI d40 jukebox
Leo
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: PL1 on July 03, 2018, 12:57:06 pm
Just registered and need to know how to post a question on AMI d40 jukebox
Leo
You're in the right sub-forum, Leo.

What's your question?   ;D


Scott
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ldj1002 on July 03, 2018, 02:14:18 pm
Just registered and need to know how to post a question on AMI d40 jukebox
Leo
You're in the right sub-forum, Leo.

What's your question?   ;D


Scott
I am buying a AMI d-40 and record changer doesn't work. Haven't got it home yet so don't know enough about yet it to ask questions. I did find and downloaded a service manual for R-200 mechanism. Is this the same changer that is in my d40. I've never had a Jukebox but have worked on pinball, shooting game coin kids horse ride and others. If I can find a place where I can ask questions or download manuals I can probably fix it. Should I need parts are they available? It has been sitting over 3 years and man said it worked last time he tried ::). I will get it home in a day or so, before next week for sure
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on July 04, 2018, 11:57:38 pm
Leo:

Try to transport the jukebox standing upright. Jukeboxes get damaging laying on their backs or sides.

You neglected to put your location in your profile so we don't know where you are.

You can purchase the full service and parts manuals from these legitimate (licensed sellers of copyrighted manuals) sources:

http://www.victoryglass.com/ (http://www.victoryglass.com/)

http://www.alwaysjukin.com/ (http://www.alwaysjukin.com/)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: BJM-Maxx on July 07, 2018, 12:38:53 am
I have a Roew CD-100E that got recently and I am chasing my tail with an issue.  It was skipping many tracks, putting the CD away without playing etc.  I decided to replace the optical pickup unit on the CDM-12 after hearing they fail after many years.  The problem moderately improved.  I decided I most likely had more issues with the player and decided to buy a refurbished CD-Pro2 from Enco systems. 

I put in the refurbished CDPro2 and I think it is improved and plays a greater proportion of songs (all commercial CDs).  It generally has the most issue with the upper numbered tracks but not always.  If it plays a song, it has never skipped ever.  Sometimes it gives up and moves on to the next track, other times it plays silence for what seems like the full track duration (as if the amp mute was on).  I find if I have trouble at one end of the disc I can go to the opposite track, then a middle one, then the trouble one will play.  Once that happens I can jump around the disc with no issues. 

Really not sure where to head at this point, I was sure replacing the CD player would fix these issues, any help welcomed.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Debbieholman23@yahoo.com on July 13, 2018, 08:31:30 am
I just got a Rowe R-88, and the speakers are so static. Not sure we’re to go from here. Everything works great on it but sounds awful.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on July 13, 2018, 08:02:32 pm
blown transistors.

remove the large board from the amp and check the smaller square driver board(s) for blown fuses... if blown, transistors are shot and need to be replaced (as well as the fuses).

it may be best to have someone service the amp for you as it may need bias adjustment to operate properly when the transistors are replaced.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Janvan on July 16, 2018, 04:40:25 am
Hello AMI man
Hope you can help me in any way. I'm living in the Netherlands and am the proud owner of a ROWEAMI  R-83 Jukebox. The problem I've got is that after it hasn't been used for several years (kids grown up, moving out and such) As soon as I switch the powerswitch it plays perfectly but when the record is finished it puts it back in tge carousel then picks the same one again and keeps repeating it. It makes no difference if I choose a different record. When I move the carousel to a different position it keeps repeating the record that it can pick at the time. I've changed the batteries in the memory unit.
Greetings
Janvan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: wim elaerts on July 16, 2018, 11:27:15 am
Hi all,

I just revived a R85 after it being dead for more than 25 years. I got everything working again and it looks nice accept for one problem. The transfer motor refuses to work after a couple of minutes. I changed the wiring, microswitches and resoldered all contact pins on the board. After startup i can hear the transfermotor humming and i get 20v on the contacts (rotor is somewhat freewheeling). When working i get 32v. Then the humming stops rotor stops and i get 14v on the contacts. If the record ends the transfer led is lit but no movement even with 32v on the contacts. After another couple of minutes it suddenly changes the record and starts playing. Signal from CCC is given at the right moment and I even tested with another transfer motor without success. Right now I'm thinking about the triac but can't find the right one for replacing it since i can't read what was marked on them anymore. If someone can tell me which one I need or knows more about this problem, I'm all ears :-)

Thx already,
Wim

PS I'm from Belgium if you want to redirect me to somewhere for parts.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Segameister on July 19, 2018, 06:09:41 pm
Good Day folks,

I'm in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.  I recently picked up a Rowe R91 - original owner, excellent condition for a very good price.  However, it had recently stopped playing audio (hence the price).  My troubleshooting for reference:

- Everything lights, up, spins, selects, etc.
- All wire connections are plugged in, nothing loose.
- Needle works, we can hear the record playing faintly
- When I turn up / down the volume as record plays there is no audio or audio changes at all.  No static, just silence.

This would leave me to believe it's either the AMP or the CCC.  The Fuses in the amp aren't burned out, and the amp warms up when powered on - not too much, but enough to note by touch

I've done some research and there was a video that stated around 10% of the CCC's have issues with the chip that manages the mute while the record is being changed - stuck on mute.  Would this be a logical assumption?  If yes then I'm looking for a CCC - # 4-07773-10.  I haven't had much success online so far.

Thanks for your time!
Steve
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: wim elaerts on July 20, 2018, 03:07:28 am
Hi Steve,

This might be a dumb suggestion but did you also check your speakers? It is possible that they are configured as monospeakers so it only needs one speaker, connection or speakercable to fail for silencing it completely.

Wim
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: skintin on July 20, 2018, 10:06:56 am
Hi ami-man

could you please advise were i can get a fuse from?

its for a cadette jukebox.

the size required is
30 V.A.C. 6 1/4 A. MDL

i have had a look on the web and want to know if this is the same

https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/cartridge-fuses/8527165/

or could you recommend a site to place a order.

cheers

tom

cheers

tom
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on July 20, 2018, 03:23:29 pm
i have had a look on the web and want to know if this is the same

https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/cartridge-fuses/8527165/

yes, this is correct.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: skintin on July 20, 2018, 03:31:06 pm
Thanks for the reply, its much appreciated.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: skintin on July 20, 2018, 03:58:46 pm
Hi Alan,

could you give me the web address for your business. i am in the market for a keyboard relay R1 Relay Early Style F11944. The one on my cadette is playing up and needs replacing at some point.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on August 03, 2018, 07:28:10 am
Hi all,

I just revived a R85 after it being dead for more than 25 years. I got everything working again and it looks nice accept for one problem. The transfer motor refuses to work after a couple of minutes. I changed the wiring, microswitches and resoldered all contact pins on the board. After startup i can hear the transfermotor humming and i get 20v on the contacts (rotor is somewhat freewheeling). When working i get 32v. Then the humming stops rotor stops and i get 14v on the contacts. If the record ends the transfer led is lit but no movement even with 32v on the contacts. After another couple of minutes it suddenly changes the record and starts playing. Signal from CCC is given at the right moment and I even tested with another transfer motor without success. Right now I'm thinking about the triac but can't find the right one for replacing it since i can't read what was marked on them anymore. If someone can tell me which one I need or knows more about this problem, I'm all ears :-)

Thx already,
Wim

PS I'm from Belgium if you want to redirect me to somewhere for parts.

Hello Wim,

Thank you for your enquiry, you need to send to me your boards for testing/repair I would require the Memory Unit, Mechanism Control and the Selector Logic.

Please send me a PM for my contact details.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Cherokee Sam on August 06, 2018, 10:30:18 am
Hi Alan,

I'm in northeast Oklahoma; recently acquired a CD-100A and have connected a couple of CD-WB wallboxes to it here in my home, and after some fixup and routine maintenance everything is working perfectly.  Here's my question: as you know, when selections are made at the wallboxes sound comes from both the requesting wallbox and the jukebox, but if selections are made from the jukebox keyboard they are not heard through the wallboxes unless a selection is subsequently made from them.  This is true whether in coin operation mode or free play.  I would like sound to come from the wallboxes any time the jukebox is playing, but I have not been able to locate a manual for the Wallette to see if there is a way to change the default behavior.  I don't see any pertinent option in the CD-100A menus (I do have that manual). To have the wallboxes basically function as remote speakers is desirable especially when playing music from something other than the CDs (i.e., Bluetooth adapter).  Wallbox speaker feeds currently come from E7.  Do you know if there is a switch or jumper in the wallbox, or an alternate wiring scheme to disable muting on the wallboxes?

Thanks in advance,
Sam
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: mcardlepm on August 07, 2018, 01:36:50 pm
AMI Model C - What are your thoughts on replacing ballasted fluorescents with, say, LED's?

When my father passed, I inherited a 1949 AMI Model C that AMI had retrofitted to play 45's (with the blue adapter rings etc.). My father had, apparently, purchased it while antiquing with his wife, covered it with a blanket in the cellar, and never looked at it again. I never had any interest in jukeboxes but am very mechanically inclined, having restored cars, bikes, houses, guitar tube amps, etc., and am a science teacher who many nickname "McGyver..." I'm now hooked into restoring this thing, the mechanics, all the solenoids, point-to-point wiring and the tube amp are great: I found the reason it wouldn't play (and blew fuses) was a completely frozen what I'd call an idler sprocket. It now operates, though much of the AC wiring is as brittle as uncooked pasta; the DC cloth covered wiring aged better. The interior cabinet had been messed with cosmetically, I'm doing what I can with modern materials.

As for LED's etc., is that sacrilege? Or would it be better when I re-wire it, to just replace all the ballasts with modern ones and leave the fluorescents? (Do "purists" care?) I'm unsure if I will keep or re-sell - my inclination is to leave as "original" as possible while making it NOT a fire hazard, i.e., replace the AC wiring and ballasts. Oh, it has the intact barberpole-type lighting in the base and the motors work, would not dream of replacing, though a previous owner did some odd modifications including blocking up the vent holes on one side...
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Cherokee Sam on August 13, 2018, 09:50:00 pm
AMI Model C - What are your thoughts on replacing ballasted fluorescents with, say, LED's?

When my father passed, I inherited a 1949 AMI Model C that AMI had retrofitted to play 45's (with the blue adapter rings etc.). My father had, apparently, purchased it while antiquing with his wife, covered it with a blanket in the cellar, and never looked at it again. I never had any interest in jukeboxes but am very mechanically inclined, having restored cars, bikes, houses, guitar tube amps, etc., and am a science teacher who many nickname "McGyver..." I'm now hooked into restoring this thing, the mechanics, all the solenoids, point-to-point wiring and the tube amp are great: I found the reason it wouldn't play (and blew fuses) was a completely frozen what I'd call an idler sprocket. It now operates, though much of the AC wiring is as brittle as uncooked pasta; the DC cloth covered wiring aged better. The interior cabinet had been messed with cosmetically, I'm doing what I can with modern materials.

As for LED's etc., is that sacrilege? Or would it be better when I re-wire it, to just replace all the ballasts with modern ones and leave the fluorescents? (Do "purists" care?) I'm unsure if I will keep or re-sell - my inclination is to leave as "original" as possible while making it NOT a fire hazard, i.e., replace the AC wiring and ballasts. Oh, it has the intact barberpole-type lighting in the base and the motors work, would not dream of replacing, though a previous owner did some odd modifications including blocking up the vent holes on one side...
I lean toward keeping the earlier boxes as close to original as possible, personally, just because to me the old tech is what defines them and makes them special.  My other jukebox is a '48 Model B I've had (and maintained) since I was a kid.  After some years I reverted it back to play 78s, of which I have several hundred on hand; everyone enjoys watching the changer at work and hearing blast-from-the-past music crackling out of it.  The fluorescent lighting (all bright green at first, and those 60-yr-old tubes still work!) is really atmospheric, along with the faint smell of machine oil and warm vacuum tubes and the mechanical symphony you hear between records.  I have a spare signal cord to play other sources through the amp once in a while, but I'm disinclined to turn either of my machines into what Kelly Keeton calls a "300-pound MP3 player."  I don't think it would hurt to add some spice with LEDs etc. if you're planning to sell it (or keep it for that matter), maybe just make any upgrades easily removable and keep the original lights handy in case someone wants to restore the authentic vibe.  Safety has of course required some new wiring, but everything else I have kept original or swapped out for a proper vintage replacement.

Just my two cents, chipping in since it seems to be a quiet week.  A lot of guys here may know more about value implications than I do.  Congratulations on resurrecting your Model C - the mechs in the B and C are basically identical.  I found the upgrade kit tonearm/cartridge/needle to be hard on later vinyl records from the 70s and 80s; they made 45s out of tougher stuff in the 50s.  I rigged a spring underneath the arm to lighten the tracking force and newer 45s lasted a lot longer.  Getting my 40-selection wallboxes working with the old box is my next project ...

Sam
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Cherokee Sam on August 17, 2018, 11:16:07 am
Hi Alan,

I'm in northeast Oklahoma; recently acquired a CD-100A and have connected a couple of CD-WB wallboxes to it here in my home, and after some fixup and routine maintenance everything is working perfectly.  Here's my question: as you know, when selections are made at the wallboxes sound comes from both the requesting wallbox and the jukebox, but if selections are made from the jukebox keyboard they are not heard through the wallboxes unless a selection is subsequently made from them.  This is true whether in coin operation mode or free play.  I would like sound to come from the wallboxes any time the jukebox is playing, but I have not been able to locate a manual for the Wallette to see if there is a way to change the default behavior.  I don't see any pertinent option in the CD-100A menus (I do have that manual). To have the wallboxes basically function as remote speakers is desirable especially when playing music from something other than the CDs (i.e., Bluetooth adapter).  Wallbox speaker feeds currently come from E7.  Do you know if there is a switch or jumper in the wallbox, or an alternate wiring scheme to disable muting on the wallboxes?

Thanks in advance,
Sam

Never mind - figured it out.

Sam
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Leeshep on September 04, 2018, 04:44:20 pm
Hi,

I’ve just got a lovely Rowe ami 90 jukebox for my pub and its all working fantastically but I’d like to hook it up to the pubs sound system. How do I go about getting a line level signal out of the jukebox to send to the amplifier running the pubs pa?

I’m very good with a soldering station if that helps.

Thanks in advance,

Lee
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 05, 2018, 05:58:09 am
Hi Lee,

This is easy, on the amplifier in your jukebox is an auxillary input/output connection, we have done some very big installations in the past and have used these connections to connect to slave amplifiers in the venues. The output at the auxillary is around 600 to 650 millivolts so is ideal.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Leeshep on September 05, 2018, 09:59:14 am
Thanks for the reply Alan. The amp in my Jukebox is the 125w one.
What’s the pinout on the aux port?

Thanks
Lee
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Faza01 on September 08, 2018, 11:01:35 pm
Alan,

Hope you can help me, I am considering importing a Rowe storm cd wallbox from the USA to Australia.
Is this model reliable any known faults I should be looking for.
Also I will have to utilise a step down transformer but was unsure if the change of frequency from 60hz to 50hz would be an issue.
Cheers
John
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on September 09, 2018, 02:56:04 am
i'm pretty sure you can adjust the line voltage input level on the storm to allow it to accept 220v. I don't have a manual here to 100% verify though.

the juke itself is pretty reliable. the only faults i've seen with them are the neon transformers. It's a simple dc-dc high voltage convertor and replacements can be ordered from ebay... but i'd almost just replace them with RGB LED stips...but that's just me.

The amps are pretty robust provided you don't underload them. ignore the manual regarding counting and adding up speaker watts to properly load the amp... it does NOT work that way...never has...and it NEVER will, irrespective if rowe KEEPS PRINTING IT IN THEIR MANUALS LIKE IDIOTS. just keep the speaker ohm rating for each channel between 4 and 8 ohms and it will be fine.

the CD mech may be good...may be bad... there where a few different heads and some being better than others. "CD pro" head parts are still able to be readily found... but for some of the others, laser assemblies are tough to find if they need to be repaired. the storm should be a "pro"...but these days, you never know

otherwise, a pretty solid unit.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Faza01 on September 09, 2018, 03:15:34 am
Thanks for the advice, yeah I need a manual, but don't want to purchase one in case I don't buy it.
I was hoping the transformer could be switched to 240 volt.
Cheers
John
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Leeshep on September 14, 2018, 01:16:06 pm
Hello folks,

Got another issue with the R90. The front lights have gone dull. The top ones light as normal and flash to the beat. I can't see any components on the board that are unique to the p2 connector. They look bridged.

Please help.

Lee
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: wise1 on September 19, 2018, 07:40:32 am
Hi Alan,
Question on Rowe control computers, computer 4-07773-05 works on my R91 R92 R93.
But computer 407773-12 only works on the R93, is this correct or do I have a fault?

Cheers, Richard
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 21, 2018, 07:39:52 am
Hi Richard,

It could be down to what program chip you have in the 407773-12 CCC.

Regards
Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: wise1 on September 21, 2018, 08:12:40 pm
Hi Alan,
the Eprom chip has a sticker on it saying V1.1,
i did swap another chip over to check, but no change, that chip was V1.1 as well.
So I gather this computer should work in all of them?

Cheers, Richard
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Stevemo57 on September 22, 2018, 12:40:48 pm
Hi, new to Jukeboxing.
I just purchased a working r93 combo, however, when moving it I forgot to remove CD Cartridge so a disc fell into the player. I opened and removed disc, no problems at all. But when I reinstalled the player and got it plugged back in it doesn't even "acknowledge" the player. By that I mean, when I try to press the 50xx-55xx selections it won't even show the first digit (5). Do I need to initialize the player again? If so, how?
Thanks for any help anyone can give me.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on September 26, 2018, 05:28:57 am
Hi,
When the popular button is pressed on my R92 combo juke. It tries to select a record ending in 8 or 9.
Is this normal? I would have thought that is should select the most popular track even it is a cd?
It still does this even after the memorec data is cleared via the switch on the CCC.
The selection of records ending in 8 or 9 is disabled in the CCC (location 29 is set to 255) so you cannot select them via the keypad. Does this need to be the case for CD combo or just video jukes?
Location 30 is set to 00
What does location 46 do? Mine has a value of 2 there. The manual says nothing about location 46.
It is selecting and playing all records (except ending in 8 or 9) and all the cd selections perfectly fine.
Any thoughts on this?

Cheers
Stu


Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on September 26, 2018, 05:45:30 am
Hi again,

I need to replace the volume control on my r92. I believe it is a 10K linear potentiometer.
Is this correct?

cheers
Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 26, 2018, 05:50:17 am
Hi Stu,

No it is a 10K Log pot.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on September 26, 2018, 06:18:09 am
Hi Stu,

No it is a 10K Log pot.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Thanks Alan.
I was looking for it the manual parts list. I cannot see it listed there at all.
Cheers
Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: evil-nine on September 26, 2018, 07:54:29 am
Hi!

First post here.  This looks like a great forum!

I have a Rowe Ami R-74 in London, UK.  It was last serviced circa 1994 and I have the following intermittent problems:

1.  The selection buttons become stuck.  Sometimes they will clear after a few seconds, sometimes days.
2.  It appears the selection doesn't always play in order, or some selections are skipped when queuing up plays

On a side note, the inside of the cabinet is very dirty, yellow and greasy.  This doesn't bother me too much but I wondered if others preferences are to thoroughly clean the inside?

Thanks,
Craig
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on September 26, 2018, 07:37:34 pm
Finally I have the lighting all sorted.
All bulbs replaced with the correct colours.
Starting to look the goods now I reckon.
Onto the lower speaker grille refurbishment.
Cheers,
Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: evil-nine on September 27, 2018, 05:47:43 am
Hi!

First post here.  This looks like a great forum!

I have a Rowe Ami R-74 in London, UK.  It was last serviced circa 1994 and I have the following intermittent problems:

1.  The selection buttons become stuck.  Sometimes they will clear after a few seconds, sometimes days.
2.  It appears the selection doesn't always play in order, or some selections are skipped when queuing up plays

On a side note, the inside of the cabinet is very dirty, yellow and greasy.  This doesn't bother me too much but I wondered if others preferences are to thoroughly clean the inside?

Thanks,
Craig

Further note.  I have the manual and it seems that the latch coil does not engage or get released correctly. 

The selection buttons do not latch as the latch relay does not engage.  After some time the relay engages and I am able to make a selection but this now does not move to the next stage.  The selection switches remain depressed and nothing happens.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 27, 2018, 07:54:39 am
Hello Craig,

Welcome to the forum.

So you have issues with your 1975 Rowe Ami R-74.

I suggest that you clean the open & closed contact on the R1 & R5 relays on the keyboard, to do this remove the plug going to the bottom of the keyboard, remove the two screws that hold the keyboard in place These are part of the upper lid locking mechanism (2 BA or 1/4 AF socket or spanner required).

To clean the contacts on the two relays use a paper taper pulled between the contact tips. Repete this cleaning on the search unit open relays S1 & S2.

If this does not sort out the issue please get back to me.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: evil-nine on September 27, 2018, 08:30:26 am
Thanks for your quick reply Alan.

It's decided to work today so I will let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: steveslotty on September 27, 2018, 07:30:34 pm
Hi, i have an r-86 and its cradle will not spin. Record 100 is on display saying playing but nothing happing on turntable. When new numbers are punched in nothing happens just hoes back to 100 playing. Manual spin button doesnt work either on unit. Motor underneath that runs the sprag is hot extreamly hot. The cam arm is broken also by the way. I removed ccc and motor control board.had foam on back that turned gummy cleaned boards, Re flowed solder to all pins, de oxed pins and plugs, replaced 100 uf electrolic caps,  replaced the two transistors on the heat sink on motor control board, and cleaned up and looked for any noticible problems couldnt find any. What do you think my problem is i have yet to check power supply, i didnt yet since i was getting power well everything was lighting up, and yhings turn when i turn manually. I am new to jukeboxes this is my first i have over 10 arcade games that i do repairs on though.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 28, 2018, 05:42:04 am
Hello Steve,

Welcome to the forum.

I am not too shure that jumping in with both feet was the best idea on this jukebox.

If the mechanism motor is getting very hot then I would have taken the Sprag Assembly off of the mechaism to check out the sprag wheel and the stem bushing for any wear or damage causing the mechamism to jam up putting a load on the motor. You had better check that the Detent Solenoid is disengaging for the same reason.

Are all the power rails on the power supply at the correct voltages under a slight load?

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Liamo81 on October 03, 2018, 01:17:49 am
Hi again Alan.

Hope all is well?

Random question you may be able to help with:

There is a small transformer in the bottom left of the Rowe Ami WCD20.

Do you happen to know the input/output voltage of the transformer and the wiring colour key?

I have one spare from an old project and looking to re-purpose it.

Many thanks.

Liam
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 04, 2018, 09:03:35 am
Hi Liam,

The yellow and black are the 28 volts AC input, not sure of the two orange and two blue wires on the output, they will more than likey be a lower voltage.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: willie50 on October 14, 2018, 01:21:58 pm
Hi Alan,  I've just started moving my doner jukebox parts ( Rowe Ami R88 ) into my Ami Continental 2 replica body that I,ve built up. I have 3 problems.
1. I reconnected everything, including amp and speakers, once removed from the jukebox and everything worked apart from there was no sound apart from a very quiet sound and turning the volume did not adjust it.
2. The plans I have are for transfering a R84 which is slightly different to my R88, I also want to use my own Amp, so slightly puzzled how to do it. Do you know if there are plans for transfering a R88 including its Amp.
3.Both the small 6 inch speakers have seen better days, any idea where I can get replacements. Was thinking maybe 6.5 inch ones as the hole created from the plans is already 150mm therefore 6 inch ones are a bit tight.
Cheers for any help. Regards Keith

Alan have you any idea where this cable should be attached, it didn't seem to be connected to the original jukebox, wondered if it had come off the nut at front of frame although this is not loose. Also I made a mistake my plans are for transfering a R84 not R87 as I stated initially. Cheers Keith
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 19, 2018, 07:45:29 am
Hello Keith,

There is little or no difference in the R-87 and R-88 jukeboxes other than trim.

I assume you are fitting a 125 or 130 Rowe Ami amplifier, if you have a substitute amp such as the Rainbow MK4, I would ditch it they are not worth spending money on.

Regarding speakers, cross overs you need to match these to the amplifier as per the original speakers.

If you are having issues I suggest you contact me directly, send me a PM so we can swap details.
Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: toddsterling92 on October 20, 2018, 10:01:54 am
R87 help. Is there an aux out so I can hook up a Bluetooth transmitter?


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Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: baldnic on October 20, 2018, 10:25:27 pm
my mm6 with tube amp  has developed a fault. when powered on it will blow the main fuse and trip the tube amp breaker. it has functioned great until the weather now turned cool in my temporarily unheated shop. what part is first to diagnose  and where should I start troubleshooting
Title: Rowe/AMI CD100
Post by: Thehearingroom on October 26, 2018, 01:39:43 pm
I just joined this forum, and have scrolled through many pages trying to figure out the answer -found something close, but not quite.

This question is regards to my '88 CD100, i'm looking for the multi-colored platic gel sheet that wraps around the flourescent tubes. I have the clear tube protector, but the plastic sheet is brittle and no good. Are these made anywhere anymore?

Thanks
Mark
Northeast US
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 29, 2018, 07:28:57 am
Hello Mark,

Welcome to the forum.

You can make up bands of theatrical gel there is somewhere in the region of 300 shades available, these can be bought in sheet form from theatrical suppliers, Ebay or maybe your local theater.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Thehearingroom on October 29, 2018, 07:31:11 am
Ok thanks! I'll order some up and give it a go.
Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Santucky619 on November 07, 2018, 11:22:31 am
Hello Alan, I am Kenny in Southern California.
 all thanks in advance for your help. I just got my first juke. A 64 rowe ami tropicana. It wasn't working but after a thorough cleaning and some adjustments. It works and sounds pretty darn good..
My question is: after it sits unused a couple of days. It seems like the search unit struggles to turn. I lightly oiled the armature and it seems to maybe have fixed it. I would also like to replace the selenium rectifier. It has 3 wires. 2 yellow and a red. If I update it with a 4 prong silicone. I have heard I might need to add a slow blow fuse. That is fine, do I add it inline with the red + wire? 2 or 2.5 fuse? In addition should I also ground this. The main power cord is a 2 prong cord. Is this machine not grounded?. Again thanks for all help and advice. I will enjoy this forum.

I would also like to clean my contacts. What is Paper Taper? I see you refer to this many times.
Kenny
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Cub-Scout-Eddie on November 07, 2018, 11:25:39 am
Hello everyone,

Got a deal I couldn't refuse on a JEL-200.  It's our first jukebox.  It's in very good shape for its age, but the plan is to bring it back to like-new condition.  We've redone a couple of electromechanical pinballs.  Based on that experience, I think we can handle this and think it mostly will involve taking it completely apart, cleaning everything, reassembly and adjustment.

I've read about halfway through this thread and agree the starting point is to get a manual(s).  So, that's where my questions start.

There are a lot of places/people selling manuals.  That's a change for me, you can usually find free downloads for pinball machines.

I assume I should be looking for 3 things: owner's/operating manual, wiring diagrams, and repair/maintenance maintenance manual.  Correct?

How do I figure out where/what to purchase?  Some places claim to have an original AMI (or a copy of it).  Others look like they might be something someone else put together.  Page count differs from around 200 to a high of 300.  Covers look different.  One claims to include a 29 page revision section. What would that be?  Prices range from maybe as low as $20 to $80 or so.  I'm not interest in a CD/DVD, I want paper.

Questions about the model:

The ID plate has a box with "A" in it to the right of the box showing "JEL 200."  What does the "A" mean?

Is this model typically referred to as "model L?"  Or is it "model LB" with the JAL 200 being "model L?"

I'm assuming I will be able to answer most of my other questions when I get the manual(s), but I look forward to reaching out to all of you for help after I have the manual.  We've already been able to clear up a few things just from looking through the jukebox: loose speaker wire, mis-installed spring on selection indicator, moving lights panel in upper right corner installed upside down (not sure what that thing is called).

Thanks,
Cub Scout Eddie
(suburban Chicago, IL, USA)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on November 07, 2018, 12:44:06 pm
Cub Scout Eddie:

For the best, most complete manuals, you want the reproduction manuals from AMR Publishing at Victory Glass company. These manuals are NOT photocopies. They are actually printed on an offset press on heavyweight paper, have a lay flat binding, and have laminated covers. All the halftone pictures in it are crystal clear. Well worth every penny in my opinion.

Victory # 70-1247 (AMR # R-387) Service manual (with schematics) for models JAL and JEL, 164 pages, just $39.50

Victory # 70-1248 (AMR # R-388) Parts Manual for models JAL and JEL, 144 pages, just $35.00

Package deal, both of the above manuals just $64.95 Victory # 70-3309 (AMR # R-387A)

http://www.victoryglass.com/ (http://www.victoryglass.com/)

Victory Glass also stocks many parts for Rowe-Ami jukeboxes, both as new-old-stock and reproductions.

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 08, 2018, 07:59:10 am
Hello Alan, I am Kenny in Southern California.
 all thanks in advance for your help. I just got my first juke. A 64 rowe ami tropicana. It wasn't working but after a thorough cleaning and some adjustments. It works and sounds pretty darn good..
My question is: after it sits unused a couple of days. It seems like the search unit struggles to turn. I lightly oiled the armature and it seems to maybe have fixed it. I would also like to replace the selenium rectifier. It has 3 wires. 2 yellow and a red. If I update it with a 4 prong silicone. I have heard I might need to add a slow blow fuse. That is fine, do I add it inline with the red + wire? 2 or 2.5 fuse? In addition should I also ground this. The main power cord is a 2 prong cord. Is this machine not grounded?. Again thanks for all help and advice. I will enjoy this forum.

I would also like to clean my contacts. What is Paper Taper? I see you refer to this many times.
Kenny

Hello Kenny,

A paper taper is just a strip of copier paper that is folded to form a taper (similar that you might use to light a fire) a couple of folds in the paper so you end up with a strip about half an inch in width, this can be pulled through the open or closed contacts to just clean the tips of the contacts.

I never recommend oiling the search unit, it needs to be stripped down and cleaned by washing the mechanical parts once removed in warm soapy water and dried with a lint free cloth before re-assembly.

On certain older models of Ami rectifiers can be a problem especially when using modern eqivelents, If you have the option for a earth/ground on your supply use it by grounding the power supply (junction box) many amplifiers have issues with not being grounded correctly.

Please let us know how you get on.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Santucky619 on November 08, 2018, 09:27:09 pm
Great. Thanks for the expertise. It's working fine right now hate to pull it apart...naybe just clean the contacts for now.

Thank you
Kenny
64 rowe ami tropicana
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Bubba21 on November 13, 2018, 11:49:56 pm
      Hello,
       
         I could use some advice. I have a rowe ami mm6. It works great really impressed with it. But the only problem is it has no volume control. It only plays in full blast. I changed the volume knob on the back and checked all the wiring. Any advice of what I could do? And if it turns out I need a new amp where I possibly could get it
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 15, 2018, 05:56:42 am
Hello Bubba21,

What control do you have fitted is it a single control or a dual control?
 What is the number of the pre-amplifier board, it is etched on the printed circuit side of the board. Dependant on the number on it dictates what control needs to be used.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jayohio19 on November 21, 2018, 09:53:39 pm
I have an R84 and it continuously spins the record and doesn't reject. The cancel button lights up the led on the mechanism board, but doesn't cancel the record out. Thank you
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 22, 2018, 09:03:27 am
Hi Jay,

I left you information on your other post on this subject.

Just one thing, are all the power supply led's on the power suppy (often called the Juction Box) checkthat none are dim there are 3 for each of the power rails, 8 volts DC. 28 volts DC and 28 volts AC.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jayohio19 on November 22, 2018, 10:42:58 am
All 3 lights are lit up.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Santucky619 on November 26, 2018, 02:05:40 pm
Hello Alan, should be an easy one for you. My 1964 rowe ami tropicana jbm is working sweet. I would like to wire in my remote volume and cancel control. The bit of old wire still connected is a 6 conductor 22awg wire with 4 of the conductors shielded. I guess the 2 cancel wire are unshielded. I'm having trouble finding that wire. What I do have is a 6 conductor with all 6 wire shielded. Can I use this? Does it matter if all six are shielded together? Last where do I connect the leads to in the jukebox. I can't find it in my manual. Oh yea one other thing the sticker on the back of the remote volume/cancel says "caution only use with r2020 and r2022 amplifiers. The stickers on my amps say 2620a and 2622c. Can I not use this altogether. I dont see what the caution would be. Its just a volume knob and cancel switch.
Thanks in advance
Kenny
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: appleton71 on November 28, 2018, 02:46:27 pm
I just got a steal of a deal on an R-87 - Golden 7.  Everything works great...just looking for the insert that goes around the dba and coin slot.  Someone had added an aftermarket dba and butchered my current insert.  I don't mind if it's from a Sapphire 7 or another year.  I can paint all three insert panels to be the same color if I can't find a match.  Any ideas where to look?

Thanks!

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Cub-Scout-Eddie on December 10, 2018, 10:43:21 pm
Cub Scout Eddie:

For the best, most complete manuals, you want the reproduction manuals from AMR Publishing at Victory Glass company. These manuals are NOT photocopies. They are actually printed on an offset press on heavyweight paper, have a lay flat binding, and have laminated covers. All the halftone pictures in it are crystal clear. Well worth every penny in my opinion.

Victory # 70-1247 (AMR # R-387) Service manual (with schematics) for models JAL and JEL, 164 pages, just $39.50

Victory # 70-1248 (AMR # R-388) Parts Manual for models JAL and JEL, 144 pages, just $35.00

Package deal, both of the above manuals just $64.95 Victory # 70-3309 (AMR # R-387A)

http://www.victoryglass.com/ (http://www.victoryglass.com/)

Victory Glass also stocks many parts for Rowe-Ami jukeboxes, both as new-old-stock and reproductions.

Ken, sorry for the delayed thank you.  Had to put off working on the JEL-200 due to some medical
issues.  Getting back to it now...just ordered the manuals you suggested.

Can someone answer some questions about the sound on my unit?  Not sure exactly how to define it.  Flat, not much dynamic range, missing upper frequencies...maybe it's easiest to say it sounds somewhat like AM radio.  I have no experience with jukeboxes before this, but I assume it should sound better than it does.

I don't have the manual/schematics yet, but I assume there are crossovers for the speakers?  Is that part of the sound problem?  Electrolytic capacitors need changing, maybe resistors too?

Not at all familiar with tube amps & preamps.  Even though it comes on quickly (not much warm-up time) could a tube(s) be weak/bad and be affecting the sound quality?

Also not familiar with what happens to a turntable cartridge as it ages.  I did thoroughly clean the needle which seemed to help a bit.  I think it might be the original cartridge, at least it is the same model that came with a JEL-200.  I plan to order a new stylus, but am wondering if I should get a new cartridge/stylus instead.

New speakers/drivers?  I'm sure I can find some that fit that are better than OE but I think what's in it should sound better than it does.

I know going through and doing a thorough cleaning will help.  The volume pot, for instance, definitely needs a visit from deoxit - lots of static when you move it.  But I don't think a cleaning alone will bring up the sound quality that much.

So, what suggestion do you guys have.  I am, over time, going to go through everything but I'd first like to hit the areas that will improve the sound quality.

Thanks for the advice and help.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on December 11, 2018, 12:30:33 am
First thing to do is to recap the amplifier. Tubes are probably fine.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Cub-Scout-Eddie on December 11, 2018, 04:41:47 pm
Thanks Ken.  As soon as I get the schematic I'll work up a parts list for the caps.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on December 11, 2018, 10:12:09 pm
Bill Bickers sells jukebox capacitor kits.

http://www.jukeboxfridaynight.com/kits.html (http://www.jukeboxfridaynight.com/kits.html)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ottervswolf on December 29, 2018, 08:51:07 pm
Hey everyone!

New to jukeboxes. I recently fixed up a R85 to working condition. And I was soooooooo stoked. Recently,when I turned it on... I picked a selection: it's now playing .5 to 1 seconds then instantly rejecting it and putting it back in the drum. It's quite cold in the garage, I may put a small heater in there to see if it's a cap issue, as suggested by some other generous, and more knowledgable, members.
I am so lost as to what to do now. Thank you all for your help.

Sincerely,
Brian (USA)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jeepcj5 on January 02, 2019, 04:52:37 pm
Good afternoon everyone. I'm new to the jukebox world and in need of some advice. This seems like the best place to get it.
I recently purchased a Rowe CD-100C and after a full initialize, it now has trouble initializing some discs. I manually initialized them, so I no longer get the 'not alwd in NI' message, but those same discs will not play. The mechanism will place the disc, it will spin up, then spin backward, then it is replaced in the carousel. This happens twice and then it gives up. Other discs work fine with no skipping. The problem discs look undamaged and will play in a different player. I suspect the laser assembly is borderline.
The laser assembly is a CDM4, which I understand is obsolete and parts unavailable. I have a relatively small budget for this project, so the complete CDM4 assemblies I've seen on ebay for 300-600 USD are out of the question.
I have, however, located chinese replacement CDM4/19 transports on ebay and am wondering if this would be a direct replacement and if there would be setup adjustments to perform after replacement.
Any guidance anyone could offer would be appreciated.
Cheers
Colin (Canada)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: TheBlueGasMan on January 04, 2019, 01:09:58 pm
Hello
Ive just purchased a Rowe-Ami R-87 which has a few problems..

There is no sound coming from the bottom speakers (they appear to be wired up)

The sound is only coming out of the upper ones!

The balance control also appears not to be working, could all this be connected to a ifyy amp?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on January 06, 2019, 06:39:55 pm
check the crossover board (got a bunch of coils, capacitors, and resistors on it... it's near the amp), quite often they get broken solder joints on them from all the vibrations.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: sondowner120 on January 20, 2019, 06:26:09 am
hello my cd100e plays strong on one channel but other is weak and static...  the wires off the output transformer is correct
blk on e1
purp on left e7
pink on right e7
...  if I swap the purp and pink wires the issue follows the purp wire.... which ever side I put it on that side is weak or out....
question does this narrow the issue to the amp?, output trans?, crossover? .....  thnx for input in advance..
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on January 20, 2019, 06:10:03 pm
sounds like crossover or speaker issue.

if pink sounds fine on either left or right E7 terminal, that eliminates the amp and anything upstream from it (cables, CD unit, transformer, amp, etc)

i'll wager it's the crossover. Check it for broken solder joints. the vibrations from the music will often break the connections from the big heavy components used on them.

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Tman on January 24, 2019, 08:24:52 pm
Hi.  My cousin has a CD100C which previously had a CD loading problem, but someone trying to fix it moved the plugs on P1-P4 on the CCC while it wasn't switched to service mode, so now the display, carousel etc do nothing at all while the board error, system error and 5v lights are on, and the rowelink light stays off and does not even flash when first turned on.  But the problem is, the CCC, the mech board, the display have all been tested in another machine and all work fine.    Any ideas of what area to look in would be good as it seems nothing is communicating with any other components but the rowelink cable from ccc to mech is fine also. Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on January 25, 2019, 07:46:43 am
Hello Tman,

I would check out the Power Supply (junction box) to make sure that all yhe power rails are present. You may also have to check out all the connections on the looms to mke sure that all the connections are making contact.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Tman on January 26, 2019, 07:09:35 am
Hi ami-man.  The power supply seemed to be ok when I had tested it and I had gone over the plugs and removed the wires which didn't seem to be tight and re set them.  I only have a cd-100a manual to look at which looks like the display/keyboard interface was on the CCC originally in the A model.   I was thinking that maybe with this unit having having the seperate title rack keyboard interface assembly that there may be a chance that it also has something to do with the display interface and data is sent to the display with via that module, as I am pretty sure he never had that module tested where he got the other parts tested in another machine but without the correct manual to look at the diagrams for his model CCC I am not sure.  Apart from that I guess I might have to go over every wire one by one when he gets hold of the correct manual for me.  Thanks

Travis
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Tman on January 29, 2019, 04:31:39 am
Hi Alan.  My cousin was told the 40832225 CCC he has is not compatible with the 61086201 mech decoder for the CDM12 he has, and that he needs a 61048101.  My understanding is the 61086201 is used when someone has upgraded from a CDM3 or CDM4 to the CDM12, and that the 61048101 is for the original CDM4 which he doesn't have, but like I told my cousin, if it wasn't compatible it would never of worked to begin with and I don't want him to waste any money using the jukebox repair man who told him not to take any notice of rowe's update guide saying its the right mech decoder for a CDM12.  Thanks

Travis
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: David / Amy on January 31, 2019, 08:26:06 pm
Hi Everyone. I've learned so much reading this forum as a guest. Thanks so much. I hope someone will be able to help me with a problem with my R86. It had been working fine but last time I turned it on it immediately began to play the record at the location where the carousel was when I turned it on, and would play the record through, replace it, and then immediately replay the same record. Nothing I could think of could stop it doing this.
I swapped out the Optical switch, and the Mechanism Control with a R85 - the R86 items worked in the R85. Then I swapped out the CCC 6-08870-01 and the R85 one worked fine in the R86 and it was back to normal.
Maybe I've isolated the R86 problem to the CCC, but now I'm completely out of my depth. I trust I've explained this well enough for someone to know where to point me next.
Thanks for your time and help!
David
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 01, 2019, 06:41:30 am
Hello David,

Welcome to the forum.

It would seem that your R-86 CCC is faulty or there could have been dry joints to the connection pins if the problem has gone away.

You need to send the CCC out of your R-86 for testing/repair, there is AB Leisure in the USA or myself in the UK that test/repair these boards.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: David / Amy on February 01, 2019, 07:38:35 am
Thank you, Alan. I've mailed you.
David
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: TJB on February 11, 2019, 11:29:46 am
Hello, Just acquired 1973 AMI RI-1 Heritage, prior to what I thought easy and harmless transport to final location was working well. Now all mechanisms working well except that the turn table does not spin. I am thinking perhaps jarred wire/fuse loose during transport.
Where would I find fuse location to start ?
 any and all help/suggestions appreaciated
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 12, 2019, 07:13:46 am
Hello TJB,

The turntable motor is 115/120 volts a direct drive motor that drives a idlerwheel against the turntable.
There is a miscroswitch on the transfer motor camswiches that operates the tuntable motor. More than likely there will be an issue with the idlerwheel linkage or idlerwheel.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Tman on March 01, 2019, 08:03:44 am
Hi Ami-man.  The good news is it was the power board and a new upgraded one got the screen and system back working, but the next problem is on startup CHECKSUM = 8A00 comes up and the carousel does nothing, and end up with error codes for the inner and outer cam.There is power to all power inputs on mech, the rowelink  lights flash constantly until in the end the mech board error light comes on and it resets and does this for the 5 times for out of order to come on.  The CCC and mech communicate as can get the version info out of the service mode and do not get the comm error codes.

So i assume the checksum = 8A00 is possibly the problem but cannot find anything on that.  Do you have any ideas?.. Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on March 01, 2019, 02:22:42 pm
"checksum" is normal. it lets you know that the contents of the rom have not changed. the checksum is usually written on the rom itself on the sticker.

if it always said 8A00 and one day it's acting weird and the checksum says something else like B87D, the rom could be corrupted.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Tman on March 01, 2019, 05:35:37 pm
Hi.  I should of realised the checksum was just a sum to check other parts of the board to make sure it was ok.   The carousel just does nothing.   There is power to the mech,  The error codes are the inner and outer cam erors 05-51 05-53 etc, depending on where i moved the pickup mechanism manually to the cam switches.   There is power through the mech to cam switches and cancel switch.  There is rowelink communication as lights flash constantly on both until after a few mins of probably no response from carousel it finally goes board error and resets.   

I did read somewhere about a gripper relay?.  If that was not working on the carousel I would assume it would also not try and pick up and place a cd as the mech decoder knows it hasnt moved to its position to do that next step?.  Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ldj1002 on April 06, 2019, 10:13:54 am
If this question doesn't belong here please tell me where. I have post other places and not much info.


I have a AMI D40 juke box with a 40 select wall and a stepper. I replaced the 100 Mfd. 50 volt cap in the stepper. I also cleaned all contacts in the wall box and stepper and oiled them good. Everything is clean and moves free. I can make a selection from the wall box and it will play but not the selection I selected. I can make several more selections and again not the ones I selected are played. Those selections aren't off from what I selected by the same number. I go back and select the selections again and again they don't play the right selection and what it plays isn't what it played before. IE for example I select 5 and it may play11. I select 5 again and it may play 20. Actually it is as if it has a mind of it's own.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on April 11, 2019, 06:10:37 am
I hopeyou have not got any oil near those contacts/wippers on the stepper.
Ideally the best option is to strip them down and remove all traces of lubricant and set the stepper up as per the manual.

Most of the old mechanical steppers I have looked at have problems where the plastic ratchets are moulded onto the metal shafts, these crack and expand in the bearings, which makes the ratchet pause on its return and this effects the pulse train sent to the jukebox. I have jet to find a supplier that has these parts available.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Rowe-AMI's Cadette Model CMM-1 100
Post by: arnolfo on April 30, 2019, 06:03:41 pm
Hello,
Glad to know someone still offers help with these old machines. My Rowe-AMI Cadette (1968) has been off for several months but was working fine before. Now I seem to have a few issues all at once.
• one speaker is out
• Selection Buttons need to held down or pushed twice to make a selection.

Also, I forgot how to load new 45's.   :dizzy:  I'll google that one...

I'm planning on taking some time to open up the top to search for the speaker issue but should I look elsewhere? In other words, could it be a line to the speaker, or is it more likely the speaker?
The button issue may be beyond my repair abilities but if you have a suggestion of where to start I'd greatly appreciate it.
I'm in the U.S. Illinois specifically.

Thanks for offering to help with this forum. 
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: arnolfo on May 03, 2019, 11:18:22 am
Update on speaker:  I was unable to track down why that channel was not working. The bottom speaker is working however, I switched the top left speaker with the top right (working) to see if it was the speaker or something leading to the speaker. The left speaker works on the right side but the working right speaker did not work on the left side so the signal is not getting to the left speaker itself. Since I do not know how to track that down I noticed on the control board a series of screw-type terminals with the label (EXT. Speakers.) Figuring this was set up to run external speakers as well, I ran a set of wire from two of the terminals to the left speaker and it works.
Maybe someday I can track down why the left channel top speaker is out but for now, this works.
The selection button are still fussy but this issue gets a little better as the machine is used.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: guido23 on May 05, 2019, 11:35:48 am
What does "ER17" mean? We have an Antique Apparatues RB8 with Rowe R-91 mechanism and this error began showing yesterday for the first time in the 30+ years we have owned it. The error shows while the record is already playing and causes it to stop playing temporarily - then the record starts playing again. I would like to fix it but first I am keen to know what the error actually means. Is there any manual with all the error codes defined?

Hello,

My dad recently purchased a ROWE R-92 for my mum as a birthday gift.  It was working perfectly until we brought it home.
There is an ER17 code that comes up when it switches on, but the arm will only move so far and no record will change.
The lights all work perfectly. We think it is an arm malfunction but we are not sure what is causing it 100% as we have never owned a jukebox previously.

I will try to provide more information soon. Any help is appreciated.  :)

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EDIT:
Hello,

We have fixed the jukebox!

We found out it was an issue with tonearm bearings.

Dad switched the jukebox on, did a selection on the keypad, when the arm put record onto the record deck he switched the power off and put his hand under the back of the tone arm and lifted the cam up and moved it over to the left -- it had been jolted out when it was moved. It's beautiful when it plays!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on May 06, 2019, 12:33:04 am
ER17 means keyboard switch #4 is stuck closed.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: guido23 on May 06, 2019, 08:45:13 pm
Thank you, Ken! When you say keyboard switch #4 are you referring to the "4" button on the number pad for selecting records? If so, is it likely the button itself that it stuck or some electronics behind it? We have baby at home who just started walking so we will have to make sure he's not banging on the buttons - or please correct me if I have misunderstood.

ER17 means keyboard switch #4 is stuck closed.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on May 06, 2019, 11:42:37 pm
Yes. The button may be physically stuck.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: RJGerace on May 07, 2019, 09:00:01 am
Hello.  I am from Akron, Ohio in the United States.  I have a Rowe/AMI R-81 jukebox and am interested in trying to purchase a wallbox for it.  Having read through a lot of these conversations and after purchasing a manual for a WRD Wallette Wall Console, it appears that a WRD Wallette is the wallbox that I would need.  I have scoured the internet (and EBAY) trying to find a WRD wallbox.  I purchased one on EBAY and it was completely gutted (there was nothing inside except for some Christmas lights stuffed inside).  I have been looking for the parts it appears I would need to get the gutted wallbox repaired ( I have a credit computer (601-07674) and a Selector Logic Module (601-08060), but it seems I would need a power supply board (401-05484), power supply (401-06891), all of the wiring that was supposed to be inside, and possibly a selector assembly (401-05482)).  It appears that the speakers in the wallbox will not work without the 602-08060 Selector Logic Module.  I am trying to figure out if there is any possibility that I could ever just find a complete, working WRD wallbox (and power supply) for sale or will I be better off to try to find all of the missing parts I need to try to get the gutted WRD wallbox I have working.  It seems like it is very difficult to just find a plug and play wallbox to purchase and it seems like finding parts (especially ones that have been tested and work) is also very difficult.  So, can anyone suggest where I might look to purchase a plug and play WRD wallbox, what the cost would be (as opposed to trying to find all of the missing parts I need) and what the chances of finding either a working wallbox or the parts I need (in working order) would be?  I don't mind paying a fair price for what I need, I just don't want to be on a "needle in a hay stack" endeavor and I want to try to get a wallbox in the most efficient manner (i.e. would it be easier to find the parts I need or a working wallbox).  Any information/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ryan J. Gerace
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: guido23 on May 22, 2019, 10:06:53 pm
There is a small, vertical brush underneath the resting position of my needle. What is the brush for? Is the needle supposed to rest on it or brush against it every time the tone arm returns to rest position? Because it definitely doesn't in the case of my Rock-ola Antique Apparatus bubbler. Should I adjust it?

Related question: how often should I change the needle? I have been buying up lots of 45s in near mint condition recently and, while I know most collectors would frown at placing such records into service in my jukebox, I didn't buy them to sit around collecting dust. Is there anything I can do to ensure that my jukebox is as gentle on them as possible?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on May 28, 2019, 07:32:11 am
Hello guido23,

Welcome to the forum.

The stylus brush should be set that when the tone arm returns to its rest position the stylus moves over the brush to remove any fluff from it.

When we used to opperate jukeboxes on site we would change the stylus every six months, for home use I would suggest that they are replaced ever 12 months, a worn stylus produces a mushy middle sound rather than good bass & treble.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: odoyle.rules.dave on June 04, 2019, 08:18:49 pm
Hello,

I recently acquired a Rowe CD-100E Diamante.  The light controller seems to blow the 0.5 amp fuse on a regular basis and then the lights do not work.  Any suggestions?


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Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on June 06, 2019, 06:24:16 am
Hello odoyle.rules.dave,

Check for dry joints (cold joints USA) on the header pins of the controller.
Make sure that the lamps are the correct voltage and wattage as per your manual.

Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: BigBerq09 on July 05, 2019, 08:57:42 pm
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Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Cub-Scout-Eddie on August 09, 2019, 04:20:34 pm
Would like to know what a popularity meter is (what it does) and how it works.  Haven't been able to find any info about it.  It is for a Rowe Ami 1100 mechanism which, if I am correct, is what is in my Rowe AMI JEL-200.  It looks like this: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vtg-rowe-ami-45-rpm-jukebox-1867749745.  Thanks.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on August 09, 2019, 05:19:13 pm
popularity simply keeps track of which songs on which albums are played the most. every time some one plays an album...the rod for that number gets pushed out a little bit.

that way when an operator goes to switch out the albums, he can look at the meter, see the least played disks, and swap them out for new ones... then reset the meter.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Cub-Scout-Eddie on August 10, 2019, 08:50:38 am
Thanks for the explanation lilshawn!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: JimP11 on August 14, 2019, 03:01:50 pm
Hi. I have a Rowe AMI Storm, and I'm having 2 issues with it.  1...I believe my MCC is going bad, because I have the correct voltage on all 3 of the Rowelink harnesses at the CCC until I plug in the Rowelink connector to the MCC, and then the voltage on the Orange wire drops to 0.6V on every Rowelink connector.  Also, I keep getting the 05-63 code and "Board Error" on MCC.  2...All 4 of my fluorescent door lights are not coming on. Both fuses are good, I think the 400V 100K capacitor on the board is bad. Any idea where I can get 1? Could it be something else to check?

Any help you can give is appreciated.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: hemidan on August 23, 2019, 01:22:29 am
Hello Y"ALL! from Texas. Thank you for letting me join this forum.

I recently bought a R-93 Combo unit. It plays great, CD unit works, It is set on freeplay and also autoplay. Now my problem is this. I want to turn OFF autoplay. I do have the manual and follow the instructions to enter programming mode. Put it in service mode, hold POPULAR while typing on 000 to display the 3 line prompt for programming mode. I NEVER get the prompt for programming mode. I am beginning to think the security code may have been changed. Is there any way to reset it or do I have another problem? Am I trying to enter programming mode correctly?

Thanks to anyone who can help!
hemidan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: guido23 on August 25, 2019, 05:51:31 pm
My Rock-Ola Antique Apparatus Bubbler (45s, not CDs) has an apparatus for rotating through title pages. One of the title pages broke so now I am seeking a replacement part. Is it possible to replace just the page, not the entire apparatus? If so, does anyone have a link to a source for the replacement part? I've searched online and all I've found is https://www.decor-tech.ch/pi/Jukeboxen-von-Rock-ola-NEUE/Rockola-CD-Ersatzteile/title-page-gebraucht-gruen-ami-rowe-antique-apparatus-bubbler-rock-ola-jukebox-40545902.html?waehrung=aud&kat_aktiv=120&kat_last=120 in Switzerland. It seems to be what I want but wow, $95 for one page!!

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on August 26, 2019, 12:41:30 pm
could you possibly use a plastic epoxy to repair it?

something like  https://www.amazon.com/Loctite-1363118-8-Plastic-Bonder-Syringes/dp/B01EZTPX9Y

i have used this to repair plastic stuff and it sticks really well. it also has a bit of an opaque yellow color to it that will match the original plastic pretty good. the part isn't really critical or hold a lot of weight or stress... so repair might work here.

95 bucks is a little pricey. it's tough cause the album #'s are printed on the parts themselves... so not only do you have to get the part...it has to have the correct numbers.

i believe repairing it might be your cheapest option.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: guido23 on August 26, 2019, 02:24:24 pm
That's a good suggestion and thanks for the specific recommendation. One challenge I have is that I'm not handy at all, so conducting my own repairs always carries with it the risk of making matters worse!

Still, I'm impatient, so last night I tried to repair with super glue (cyanoacrylate esters). It seemed relatively sturdy after I let it set for five minutes but then the piece broke back off while I was inserting it into the assembly - which is an intentionally tight fit.

This morning I tried a version of loctite that uses a different chemical. I will let this one cure for 24 hours before trying to insert it into the assembly. Both the superglue and the loctite list some types of plastics for which they are not effective but I don't know enough about plastic to categorize these title pages. If the loctite fails, I will try the epoxy, per your suggestion.

A couple of notes:
* Although this piece isn't load bearing, it does take on a nontrivial amount of torque from the gimmal used for flipping pages.
* The numbers seem not to be on the plastic pages themselves; they seem to be stickers. Thus, if I replaced the page, I could try removing the stickers and adding them to the new page or finding replacement stickers, or creating substitute stickers.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: bill55 on August 27, 2019, 08:42:41 am
I have a Rowe CD-100C and am having a strange issue.

When powered on the display shows 'CHECKSUM = A500', the says 'RAM TEST PASSED'. Everything looks normal and I can play stuff. After a random amount of time (Maybe after it starts getting warm) the machine seems to reset itself in the middle of playing. I will get the same power on messages ( 'CHECKSUM = A500' and 'RAM TEST PASSED') every time it does so. Sometimes the disc has to find its spot again to continue playing (You can hear it seeking). Other times the audio seems to drop and it picks right back up after the 2 messages are displayed. It will continue to do this once it starts happening. It may not start doing it for an hour. Other times 15 minutes. It's almost like switching the power off and back on super fast. The lights don't go off, but the boards seem to restart each time.

It's so frustrating because if I have people over it never fails that after it being on it starts to screw up more and more to the point i just need to turn it off.

PLEASE HELP!!!!!!

Thanks!
Bill
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on August 27, 2019, 11:11:10 am
Check for broken solder joints in the power supply and CCC.

a couple screws and the power supply comes right off the back wall...take the board out and resolder everything. lots of vibration from the woofers causes the solder to break and become intermittent.

same with the CCC. take it off the wall and open it up and resolder all the big pins. the stresses from the wires hanging out the front of it and the vibrations cause the solder to crack.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: bill55 on August 27, 2019, 12:26:53 pm
Check for broken solder joints in the power supply and CCC.

a couple screws and the power supply comes right off the back wall...take the board out and resolder everything. lots of vibration from the woofers causes the solder to break and become intermittent.

same with the CCC. take it off the wall and open it up and resolder all the big pins. the stresses from the wires hanging out the front of it and the vibrations cause the solder to crack.

I will give this a shot. Thanks for the tip. I believe I did this on the CCC already, but did not do it on the power supply. I'll redo the CCC again too just to be sure. Basically just heat up the solder so it melts again so it's not cracked or anything?

Thanks
Bill
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on August 27, 2019, 02:33:12 pm
yep, it helps to add a tiny bit of solder to the joint as well when you heat it up. the extra flux will help with making sure it says adhered.

trying to solder without any flux can cause the solder to actually lift off and not stick to the parts anymore... but still kinda look like it is.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: bill55 on August 27, 2019, 02:59:24 pm
yep, it helps to add a tiny bit of solder to the joint as well when you heat it up. the extra flux will help with making sure it says adhered.

trying to solder without any flux can cause the solder to actually lift off and not stick to the parts anymore... but still kinda look like it is.

If the solder is already on there and I add a little more and heat it up how do I then add flux to it? I would usually use flux on something that did not have any solder to get the solder to stick.

Thanks
Bill
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on August 27, 2019, 08:39:51 pm
typically solder has a flux core in it. (solder for electronics does anyways)

or you can have liquid/gel/paste flux that you can add to the joint before heating...then you can just heat it.

but heating the joint without flux will end in a mess.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: bill55 on August 27, 2019, 08:54:28 pm
Thanks for the tips. I pulled the power board today but did not get a chance to solder anything. Nothing looks obviously bad to me. I took some pics that I’ll attach. Let me know if anything jumps out at you. Caps aren’t bulging or anything either.

Here are some pics of the board.
https://imgur.com/a/QqUrWUF

Let me know what you think.

Thanks
Bill
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: guido23 on August 28, 2019, 09:16:35 am
OK, the loctite seems to be relatively sturdy. My biggest challenge now is sliding the broken title pages back into their holes without re-breaking the top parts. The plastic seems to have just enough flex to bend it a bit to allow both pegs to slip in but I haven't tried yet. If anyone has any suggestions or pro tips on inserting these title pages [gently] into the apparatus, I would love to hear them before I give this a try.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on August 28, 2019, 10:30:03 am
i'm not sure how this rack is put together specifically...can you perhaps disassemble it a bit to allow insertion without bending them? (or at least bending it much) or is it one continuous stamped and formed metal piece? it might be a real pain to get it back together (bunch of finiky loose pieces) but at least you wouldn't have to bend them.

otherwise... cross your fingers and hope for the best. maybe warming them a bit in the sunshine or with a hairdryer will give you some extra flex to keep pressure off the broken part.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Blue Agave on August 28, 2019, 11:32:17 am
Hello guido23,

Welcome to the forum.

The stylus brush should be set that when the tone arm returns to its rest position the stylus moves over the brush to remove any fluff from it.

When we used to opperate jukeboxes on site we would change the stylus every six months, for home use I would suggest that they are replaced ever 12 months, a worn stylus produces a mushy middle sound rather than good bass & treble.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Can anyone expand on Alan's response on when a needle should by changed on a Rowe R84 - R94 Jukebox?  12 months is subjective, can anyone give a definitive answer by number of plays?  3,000, 4,000, 8,000?   Thanks in advance.

Fernando
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on August 28, 2019, 11:39:37 am
Guido23:

Have you tried contacting the jukebox manufacturer? Antique Apparatus is still around, but under new ownership and a new name: Rock-Ola.

Here's their site:

https://www.rock-ola.com/pages/about-us

Original owner Glenn Streeter passed the torch to a Britisher several years ago. They may still carry some of the vinyl jukebox parts. If not, Victory Glass certainly has tons of Rock-Ola vinyl jukebox parts.

http://www.victoryglass.com/contents.asp?VendorCode=3
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: guido23 on August 28, 2019, 02:50:48 pm
lilshawn, thanks for the suggestion on warming up the pages a bit; I may give that a try to make them a little less brittle. This is my third page break in a few years, so I think the writing is on the wall that, after three decades, the plastic is becoming a bit brittle.

Ken, thanks for the suggestion on parts sources. The closest I was able to find at Rock-ola is title pages for their CD version: https://www.rock-ola.com/products/replacement-pages-for-cd-bubblers and I wasn't able to find my model at all on the Victory Glass site. However, perhaps I will try calling both sources to describe what I need; they may have some leads for me.

On a related note, maybe I should have one of my healthy title pages 3D scanned so that, in the future, I could have spares 3D printed.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on August 29, 2019, 12:54:57 am
You should telephone both sources as they have much more stuff than shown on their websites.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: guido23 on September 03, 2019, 12:19:42 pm
Thanks for all the helpful suggestions. Of my two broken title pages, I did manage to repair one but the other one continued to re-break every time I tried to jam it into the title page apparatus. I called both Rock-Ola and Victory Glass but neither one had had any of these title pages in stock for a long time. As such, I bit the bullet and purchased the very expensive one from Switzerland. When it arrives, I may try having it 3D scanned such that I (and others) could 3D print new ones in the future. These jukeboxes are too wonderful to let die due to lack of parts!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: hemidan on September 05, 2019, 04:43:51 pm
Hi again,

Would anyone have an original cd title card from an R92 combo? I am interested to see what they looked like. On the face of it I'd reckon that they were different to the cd juke ones as the title strip holder has the number on the left and not in the box on the top of the card?

I have an R-93 combo and I would also be very interested in finding out this info for the CD Title card. All I have found is for the cd jukeboxes as well. Thanks for your help!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: hemidan on September 05, 2019, 06:28:07 pm
Hello Y"ALL! from Texas. Thank you for letting me join this forum.

I recently bought a R-93 Combo unit. It plays great, CD unit works, It is set on freeplay and also autoplay. Now my problem is this. I want to turn OFF autoplay. I do have the manual and follow the instructions to enter programming mode. Put it in service mode, hold POPULAR while typing on 000 to display the 3 line prompt for programming mode. I NEVER get the prompt for programming mode. I am beginning to think the security code may have been changed. Is there any way to reset it or do I have another problem? Am I trying to enter programming mode correctly?

Thanks to anyone who can help!
hemidan

Still hoping for an answer to this problem, I am still unable to enter programming mode. Is there a way to reset the security code without getting into programming mode? My popular button works to select the most popular song. Description above on my attempts to enter programming mode. I suspect the security code has been changed.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on September 05, 2019, 06:39:19 pm
have you tried the old tried and true hack of the code being 0000... 1111 ...2222 ...3333 ...1234....? operators are lazy and don't often put in complex codes.

failing your leet hack skills, you can disassemble the CCC and remove the battery (one side of the battery) to kill all the data in SRAM and reset everything to default. you'll have to reprogram everything, but it will eliminate the code.

if it hasn't been done yet, you should really replace the battery in the CCC anyway. it's far past its expiry date... if it leaks, your CCC can be irreparably damaged.

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: hemidan on September 06, 2019, 10:44:11 pm
I will pull the CCC and check the battery and replace it. I hope that fixes my problem. Thank you lilshawn for the suggestion.

hemidan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on September 12, 2019, 07:45:19 am
I am on holidayfrom this evening until the 25th September, thinking more about boats than jukeboxes for a short while.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: cgwiz on September 12, 2019, 08:01:05 pm
Hello there,

Rowe R-81, located in Michigan, United States.  Turn machine on, select record, and it will play.  What it will not do is cancel at the end of the record - it will just keep spinning.  Cancel button will not stop this either.

Help!

Chris

ps - have fun on your boat!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jpder2 on September 13, 2019, 01:11:58 pm
New to the site so forgive me if I'm doing this all wrong.  I recently purchased a Rowe AMI Berkeley 100A.  I have a couple questions that are probably common knowledge around here.  Hopefully someone can help a newbie.

1.) This is a wall mount.  I'm concerned about weight.  Okay in a residential setting to hang on wall studs?  The alternative would be for it to stand on a sturdy shelf.  Would that be a bad idea and/or hurt the juke?

2.)  How do I wire up the speakers?  What type of speakers can it handle?  I don't want to damage the amp.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on September 13, 2019, 09:39:37 pm
mount to wall on studs is fine...shelf not so much... perhaps a sturdy table. sitting on a shelf/tapbe is going to make opening the machine sketchy as it is very front heavy when the door is open and it will want to tip forward on you. wall mount is best. it's what it's made for.

wiring up speakers is going to HIGHLY depend on the speakers. you want 4 ohms minimum per channel. any lower and you chance blowing the amp. if you post what you have for speakers and their ohm rating... I can let you know.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on September 13, 2019, 10:25:42 pm
The manual set (there are 2 volumes of the manuals) shows how to hook up speakers.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jpder2 on September 14, 2019, 11:16:50 am
Thank you gentlemen.  Well noted.  Ken, where is a good place to purchase the manuals?  PDF would be preferred.  LilShawn, I am most likely going to throw up an old Sony surround sound I have laying around.  OHMS are marked, and everything is under 4.  However, it does beg the question of whether or not it is safe to use the sub and center speaker in addition to the other four.  Thanks for the quick responses.  Much appreciated.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jpder2 on September 14, 2019, 11:20:37 am
LilShawn.  Read that wrong.  Apologies.  Looks like those speakers won't work as they are marked 3OHMS and under.  I have 4 Sansui SP-1500's I could use.  They are marked 8 OHMS.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on September 14, 2019, 11:56:31 am
  Ken, where is a good place to purchase the manuals?  PDF would be preferred.

In the USA, Bruce Wentworth of A & B Jukebox Repair is a good source of Rowe jukebox parts, repairs, and hard copy manuals.

https://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/manuals

Jeff Wager is also a good source of hard copy manuals.

http://www.jeffwager.com/

There's also Victory Glass for hard copy jukebox manuals.

https://victoryglass.com/
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on September 16, 2019, 01:03:09 am
The manual set (there are 2 volumes of the manuals) shows how to hook up speakers.

If you do read this, Ignore the page about speaker calculations... it's so, so wrong. We know now how to properly load amps to prevent damage, yet rowe copy pastes this into every manual despite it being absolutely incorrect.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on September 16, 2019, 01:10:42 am
LilShawn.  Read that wrong.  Apologies.  Looks like those speakers won't work as they are marked 3OHMS and under.  I have 4 Sansui SP-1500's I could use.  They are marked 8 OHMS.

Running 2 in parallel on each channel will give you 4 ohms per channel and is in the acceptable range. You may still want to measure them since typically they SAY 8 ohms but sometimes will actually be 6 in which case 2 in parallel would be 3 ohms... Which is a little on the low side.  Throw 150 feet worth of speaker line loss on there and it would probably be okay. But for a small room it's not going to be enough extra load.

To be safe just wire 1 of the sansui speaker on one amp channel and one speaker on the other amp channel.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: hemidan on September 17, 2019, 09:05:53 pm

you can disassemble the CCC and remove the battery (one side of the battery) to kill all the data in SRAM and reset everything to default. you'll have to reprogram everything, but it will eliminate the code.

if it hasn't been done yet, you should really replace the battery in the CCC anyway. it's far past its expiry date... if it leaks, your CCC can be irreparably damaged.

OK I bought a battery holder and new battery for the CCC. Removed the old battery, soldered on the new battery holder, installed the new battery and put it back together. As soon as I turned it back on I finally got the programming prompt. Went through all the settings and everything seems to be working now. I had to set the cd back up also. It was playing a record and cd at the same time.

Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: hemidan on September 19, 2019, 05:42:18 pm
I would like to add a wireless remote control to my Rowe R93 Jukebox. Has anyone done this or have any suggestions on how to do it? Thanks.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on September 20, 2019, 03:23:35 pm
not sure about the R93, but for the CD100 series  if you want to add the official rowe wireless remote to the juke you need to update the CCC's firmware to the latest version...which my not be possible in your case.

alternatively, you can get universal infrared volume controls off of ebay, you just have to make sure the potentiometer on it is 10k ohm as many are 50 or 100k ohm. they are basically a motor driven volume potentiometer and you'd just wire it in place of the original volume in the juke.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: hemidan on September 23, 2019, 03:47:30 pm
I would like to add a wireless remote control to my Rowe R93 Jukebox. Has anyone done this or have any suggestions on how to do it? Thanks.

I found this one. http://www.cdadapter.com/rowerem.htm

Has anyone used it or have any comments? it does volume control, cancel, & mute. It would be nice if it did power on and off too.

Dan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: baldnic on September 25, 2019, 09:58:55 pm
I have a no play situation on my 71 mm6. It is setup for free play with the make any selection light always lit. Tonight, I cancelled a skipping song using the switch and now anytime i select a song the buttons stay pushed in, i can hear a motor run near the selector motor but the carriage won't turn or select the record. If i move switch to off i hear the motor stop and the buttons pop out. Fuses looked good. Both cancel switches are working and currently open. Any ideas where to start?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on October 01, 2019, 08:50:21 am
Hello Baldnic,

You need to make sure that the Search Unit S1 & S2 relays are not jammed or that the drive motor clutch or dive belts are not slipping (this could be a sign of broken teeth on the gears.

The issue could also be that the transfer motor gears could be stripped and still be in partial transfer.

Regards
Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: baldnic on October 01, 2019, 10:22:34 pm
I guess I should clarify that my carriage spins while in scan mode but not for a selection. I'll check relays this week. Thank you.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: jimbob on October 14, 2019, 09:51:53 am
Hi,

(I think) I have a dead pre-amp on my Ami Rowe CD100.
I've created a separate post about it here:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,161269.0.html
(awaiting moderator approval)
I'm keen for any help I can get!

Best,

James
Hove.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: muskie on October 14, 2019, 06:27:59 pm
Hello I have a Rowe R74 juke box. I unplugged to possibility reset it and now have zero power to unit. Is there a main fuse?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: muskie on October 15, 2019, 02:19:41 pm
fixed it bad wall plug (whew!)
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: valkrie on November 19, 2019, 02:48:26 am
Hi again,

Would anyone have an original cd title card from an R92 combo? I am interested to see what they looked like. On the face of it I'd reckon that they were different to the cd juke ones as the title strip holder has the number on the left and not in the box on the top of the card?

I have an R-93 combo and I would also be very interested in finding out this info for the CD Title card. All I have found is for the cd jukeboxes as well. Thanks for your help!

I made one from a photo of an original. It is in docx format which I cannot upload here.
cheers
Stu
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: PL1 on November 19, 2019, 09:32:42 am
It is in docx format which I cannot upload here.
You can upload a .zip or .rar file containing the .docx file.   ;D


Scott
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on November 19, 2019, 10:00:15 am
you can zip/rar/7z the file and then upload it here without problems (size must be under 4mb)

you could also export your document as a PDF in ms orfice and upload that.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: dreay on November 23, 2019, 06:49:25 am
Hey all, long time guest, first time poster in this forum.
My labor of love is my Rowe R1/2. Found her in the back of a mates garage. Pub fresh with a layer of storage dust. Nothing worked.

So far I've rebuilt the PSU, attended to the computers, serviced the mechanism, etc. Now she turns on, selects a record, plays it and returns it. Beautifully.

However I'm yet to get sound out of her for more than a couple of records. This amp is just something I can't get my head around. At this point the problem lays with the driver boards (402-06316). Both fuses where gone when I got to it and showed signs of liquid damage. So i pulled them out and replaced the caps and diodes. Everything else tested ok except the R24 trimpots (shorted). So replaced. New output transistors sourced (MJE6041, MJE6042) and installed.

No level of tinkering has made this work. I don't understand the effect the R24 trimpots have on this circuit, but i know its substantial. Can anyone offer advice on these boards? Do i need to bias the new MJEs? How? What should R24 be set to? I've only got a few sets of MJEs left, and even less hair.

Any help would be appreciated. Cheers, Danny - from Australia.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Cruiseomatic on November 23, 2019, 08:13:31 am
Ami-man, If someone is resurrecting a MM3 back from death after being abandoned in a barn for 20 years, What advice would you give them?
The amp is completely dead and shows evidence of prior repairs "attempted" but were very sloppy. One driver board has a transistor with a broke leg and blown large resistor with a couple traces lifted at the slide connect, a resistor on a 4 point bus bar under a transistor gets very hot, close to the transformer in what looks to be the power circuit it looks like a resistor was removed and bypassed. It is a mess. Wish I could be more specific or provide values but not at currently. Also unable to upload pictures as they always fail "security check".
Waiting for the service manual to come in hoping it has a schematic for the amp as well as wiring layout. Oddly enough, I have a fully populated relay strip marked Phonovue but don't have the player nor is it mounted. Just laying there.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Bingle on November 24, 2019, 07:56:12 pm
Rowe-AMI Model 90...

Can you supply instructions for disabling the 30 minute autoplay feature (tries to stimulate use by playing a random song after 30 minutes of inactivity)?

Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 27, 2019, 06:25:14 am
Ami-man, If someone is resurrecting a MM3 back from death after being abandoned in a barn for 20 years, What advice would you give them?
The amp is completely dead and shows evidence of prior repairs "attempted" but were very sloppy. One driver board has a transistor with a broke leg and blown large resistor with a couple traces lifted at the slide connect, a resistor on a 4 point bus bar under a transistor gets very hot, close to the transformer in what looks to be the power circuit it looks like a resistor was removed and bypassed. It is a mess. Wish I could be more specific or provide values but not at currently. Also unable to upload pictures as they always fail "security check".
Waiting for the service manual to come in hoping it has a schematic for the amp as well as wiring layout. Oddly enough, I have a fully populated relay strip marked Phonovue but don't have the player nor is it mounted. Just laying there.

Hello Cruiseomatic,

My advice is not to waste time on the MM-3 amplifier, instead locate the 64 watt 2179A amplifier (601-02179 USA).

Fully strip down the mechanism /carousel and check for worn parts (bearings in the turntable motor & rubber mounts,), trunion & cam gears and associated gripper bow assembly, transfer motor, transfer link, crank & pin assembly (check the long pin, these do come loose).
Remove all old lunbrication and oil very sparingly (usually one drop) to motor oil wicks and idler wheel linkage pivot points and idler wheel, also one spot of oil on the turntable shaft. graphite gease should be used on the tone arm shaft & pillar and high melting point grease in the trunion casting pivot sockets.

Set all the adjustments on the mechanism as per any 1100 mechanism manual.

Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on November 27, 2019, 06:33:37 am
Rowe-AMI Model 90...

Can you supply instructions for disabling the 30 minute autoplay feature (tries to stimulate use by playing a random song after 30 minutes of inactivity)?

Hello Bingle,

Check in your manual in the programming section:-
Enter into programming location 32 set this to 0 and then press poular button to set it.

Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Cruiseomatic on December 04, 2019, 05:33:11 pm
Got it all cleaned and re-assembled but having a problem with the search unit  The plungers aren't wanting to actuate the pins  If I ground the leads on the wiper unit the plungers work great. Some times they work but usually don't. Service manual isn't much help unless I'm missing something. Also trying to adjust the mechanism where the bow isn't slamming down when setting down.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: baldnic on December 12, 2019, 08:34:50 pm
Hello Baldnic,

You need to make sure that the Search Unit S1 & S2 relays are not jammed or that the drive motor clutch or dive belts are not slipping (this could be a sign of broken teeth on the gears.

The issue could also be that the transfer motor gears could be stripped and still be in partial transfer.

Regards
Alan

On my mm6 ....

So I've got the search motor unit to spin after freeing up the s1 and s2 relays. Thank you for that advice! Now my search unit motor continuously spins and no record is selected. The relay by the buttons seems to be functioning correctly and deselecting the buttons when it should. my manual says to check for opens but not sure which wires to start with and where they go from the button unit down to search motor. Any advice is appreciated.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: baldnic on December 12, 2019, 09:34:39 pm
Please disregard my last request for advice. I cleaned all the contacts and the pins and the wiring connectors and it has started functioning properly. Thanks again for all the help on this forum.

Nick
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Old Guy on December 13, 2019, 12:40:02 am
I just acquired a Rowe AMI R-90.  I have gone through the manual and read about the programming and how to change the settings at the different locations.  I have had the machine playing 45s while I was reading and learning how the programing went but now I have a problem.  I have set location 27 to 255.  But when I move the setting switch from service to run it doesn't display the 255 code in the digital screen as I thought it should.  I now can't play any of the 45s either.  Can you give me any idea(s) what I might have messed up.  My intention was to set it to freeplay but I'm not sure what I've done.  Thanks for any help or direction!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on December 13, 2019, 07:44:00 am
Hello Old Guy,

Sorry you have not given your name.

After you have entered 255 in location 27 for free play you have to press POPULAR afterwards you can exit the programming mode by entering 999,

Regards
Alan
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Old Guy on December 14, 2019, 06:34:12 am
Any advice on what 10" 8 ohm woofers to use (or stay away from) to replace the ones in my Rowe/AMI R-90 I just bought?  Wide range of prices and not sure if there's anything special I need to consider since they're going in a jukebox. 
Thanks
Rod
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Old Guy on December 14, 2019, 06:36:52 am
I found my mistake.  I had set the programming so that I could close the lid.  Once I returned that location to 0 everything worked fine.
Thanks,
Rod
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Old Guy on December 14, 2019, 05:18:14 pm
I also have found that one of the buttons on my keyboard for the R-90 is not working.  I'm pretty sure I shouldn't be trying to take out that button myself.  What are my options?  Repair or replace?  Who should I send it to? 
Thanks,
Rod
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ken Layton on December 15, 2019, 09:42:46 pm
Bruce Wentworth at A & B Jukebox Repair sells and services Rowe jukebox boards/assemblies:

https://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dboyer437 on December 18, 2019, 11:24:09 pm
Greetings Alan. I am working on a Rowe AMI TI-1. I have most issues resolved. The last is with the search unit. When a selection is made 95% of the time the wipers just spin. A lot of time there will be a quick energizing of S1 but the after a very brief pause the wipers begin to spin. I have cleaned and adjusted the unit as per the manual. I cleaned the circuit board with a pencil rubber and S1 and S2 contacts with a paper wedge. I am thinking the fault may be with R2. So the letter side of the board is not properly energized after S1 fires. Would you have any advice on any testing or other steps to take? Are those relays available? Thanks for your time!
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Dboyer437 on December 27, 2019, 11:02:55 am
Hello. Dave from the US again. I've made progress. Search unit is working. My trouble is now with the selector. All numbers register but only letters Q through V register. Letters A-P are an open circuit.  Have you run across a similar failure? What should I check?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ksgal on January 01, 2020, 03:30:11 am
I have a Rowe ami encore.  It has started displaying “not alwd in”. I can not find that message in my manual.  I have initialized the entire machine as well as individual discs.  It seems to guve that message to more and more discs.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on January 01, 2020, 07:11:49 pm
I have a Rowe ami encore.  It has started displaying “not alwd in”. I can not find that message in my manual.  I have initialized the entire machine as well as individual discs.  It seems to guve that message to more and more discs.

usually becasue it's disabled the disk due to too many read errors. clean your lens and re initialize the disks.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ksgal on January 02, 2020, 01:10:10 pm
I have a Rowe ami encore.  It has started displaying “not alwd in”. I can not find that message in my manual.  I have initialized the entire machine as well as individual discs.  It seems to guve that message to more and more discs.

usually becasue it's disabled the disk due to too many read errors. clean your lens and re initialize the disks.


Thank you! I did read about the 32 method of initialization and I cleaned my lens and tried that method and discovered and that solved my problem.  In terms of care and maintenance, should I turn off the jukebox at night or when we are not using. It or should I leave it on?
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on January 02, 2020, 02:35:49 pm
nothing wrong with turning it off. only take a few seconds to boot again anyways.

worse that can happen is the power switch wears out and stops working. like a $5 part to replace if it does.

the cost to repair/replace power supply components (capacitors etc) due to wear and tear, far outweighs that switch cost.
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Ksgal on January 02, 2020, 08:12:15 pm
Thank you for your help
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: twounder on January 13, 2020, 07:24:18 pm
Hi Alan,

After a patient 25 year wait, I finally got my rowe R59 bubbler. What a beautiful machine!

I am hooking up the amp accy board so i can play my ipod thru the phono and have the phone control the volume. i have connected everything according to the directions. (inputs to J1 and J5) When the juke is not playing and i select the ipod, the volume is low and I can't get it to the full volume that the juke is capable of. When i select a record, the volume of my ipod song picks up to the desired volume but the record sound is coming through as well.
when the record ends, the ipod song goes back to a very low volume which i don't want.
The phono amp is a 130 watt.

Any help on this would be much appreciated.

Par
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on January 15, 2020, 07:52:11 am
Hello Par,

A simple test would be to remove the amplifier mute plug, if the ipod volume level is acceptable and is then the same volume as when a jukebox selection is made, then there is a mute issue on the amplifier/interface.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: s-petersen on January 18, 2020, 06:21:06 pm
Hi Allen,
I just purchased an AMI WRC wallbox, there was no key when I bought it, so I picked the lock to have a look inside, there is a relay missing in the top center of the box, is it the bonus relay described in the schematics? If not, What does it do?
Thanks,
Scott Petersen Goshen, NY USA
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: twounder on January 19, 2020, 08:02:09 pm
Hi Alan,

Here's a bit more info my Rowe R89 45 bubbler. The amp is a 130watt.

If I hook up the ipod to J6 and J8 of the Accy kit, everything functions they way it should. The ipod controls the volume. The ipod music cuts out when phono is playing. and ipod switches in after phono finishes. The only drawback is that you're limited to the volume of the ipod, which is not much.

I disconnected the mute plug on the amp and i do not get any sound when i do that.

Thanks again,

Par
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on January 21, 2020, 05:44:20 am
Hi Allen,
I just purchased an AMI WRC wallbox, there was no key when I bought it, so I picked the lock to have a look inside, there is a relay missing in the top center of the box, is it the bonus relay described in the schematics? If not, What does it do?
Thanks,
Scott Petersen Goshen, NY USA

Hi Scott,

That is usually the bonus relay.

Regards
Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on January 21, 2020, 05:48:01 am
Hi Alan,

Here's a bit more info my Rowe R89 45 bubbler. The amp is a 130watt.

If I hook up the ipod to J6 and J8 of the Accy kit, everything functions they way it should. The ipod controls the volume. The ipod music cuts out when phono is playing. and ipod switches in after phono finishes. The only drawback is that you're limited to the volume of the ipod, which is not much.

I disconnected the mute plug on the amp and i do not get any sound when i do that.

Thanks again,

Par

Hello Par,

I would be inclined to use some form of pre- amplifier to sort out this problem.

Regards
Alan
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: lilshawn on January 21, 2020, 02:25:00 pm
Hi Alan,

Here's a bit more info my Rowe R89 45 bubbler. The amp is a 130watt.

If I hook up the ipod to J6 and J8 of the Accy kit, everything functions they way it should. The ipod controls the volume. The ipod music cuts out when phono is playing. and ipod switches in after phono finishes. The only drawback is that you're limited to the volume of the ipod, which is not much.

I disconnected the mute plug on the amp and i do not get any sound when i do that.

Thanks again,

Par

Hello Par,

I would be inclined to use some form of pre- amplifier to sort out this problem.

Regards
Alan

I've used this one before, it works quite well for boosting low aux output levels.

https://www.amazon.com/High-Gain-Stereo-Audio-Booster-Control/dp/B018IKIX02
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: twounder on January 24, 2020, 02:09:05 pm
Thanks Alan and Lilshawn,

I have ordered a pre-amp unit and will see how that works out.

will keep you posted.

Appreciate all the help.

Par
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: winfahl on February 06, 2020, 07:15:13 pm
Hi, new to this site.

I have two Ami Rowes, an R-85 and and R-86.  The R-86 has an issue where it sometime selects the wrong record, picking one that's one or two records away from the selected record.  I've followed the manual for adjustments when this happens but it hasn't solved the problem.  Any idea what's going on or what i should try?  Is it possible that it's so worn out that it can't be adjusted?  The R-86 works perfectly so I could swap parts if necessary but want to keep both working.

Thanks
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: ami-man on February 07, 2020, 08:42:00 am
Hello winfahl,

I suggest that you check your opto switch adjustments, clean the basket gear that the opto switch senors to remove any oil or grease. Check the sprag wheel for imperfections to the gear teeth or rotting of the stem bushing.

Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
Title: Rowe Ami 1100 mechanism issues and questions
Post by: normende on February 27, 2020, 10:46:29 pm
N/A
Title: Re: ami-man's advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
Post by: Old Guy on March 10, 2020, 09:28:56 pm
I ran across an AMI WRF Wall Box that I’d like to add to my R90.  I just got it so I’m in the process of sorting out where I am and what I need to know so that I can set a plan of action.  Here are my questions and if anyone can help I’d really appreciate it.  Thanks ahead of time.
A) I can’t seem to find either a printed or downloadable copy of the manuals for the WRF.  Can anyone give me a direction to look?
B) I have read my R90 manuals and found that only 3 specific accessories are listed for use with R90 and WRF combination (2-66989-05 Wall Box Adaptor Harness Kit (WRF), 4-06891-01 Auxiliary Power Supply for the WRF, and 0-05080-00 7-Conductor Cable [Either Belden No 8447 or Columbia No 4082]). Is this correct?  No stepper needed? 
C) If that is all I need (along with the manual, can anyone point me in the direction of where to locate the harness kit and the power supply? 
D) Can I use another 30 V power supply if I can match the 11.2 W and 0.41 A listed on the tag on the inside of the WRF?
E) I’m assuming that the 7-conductor wire will be pretty straight forward to find.  Any specific gauge wire to use?

I really appreciate your help on this.

Rod from Indiana