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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #160 on: January 10, 2013, 08:01:07 am »
Hi gstav can you show pics of inside your namco gun with the recoil kit installed i am thinking of doing the same with my namco gun?

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #161 on: January 18, 2013, 04:12:22 am »
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #162 on: February 14, 2013, 02:05:56 pm »
Sorry to hear about health issues, praying the best for your family!

If you're ever back into doing this, I'd definitely be willing to purchase 2 of the full conversions.  I'm probably months away from needing them, so feel free to PM me if/when you get back to it. Thanks for sharing!


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« Reply #163 on: February 14, 2013, 06:03:07 pm »
Thanks... my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer (again).  This time it had to be a bilateral mastectomy and she is about to start chemo in a couple of weeks.

We'll see how it goes... I may get back to this in a few months... (fingers crossed).  Unfortunately I just can't commit and don't want to be taking anyone's money at this point.

Sincerely sorry about it.
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #164 on: February 14, 2013, 06:12:58 pm »
Shame on you for being sorry.... 

Please take good care of the family and yourself.



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« Reply #165 on: February 14, 2013, 06:18:17 pm »
Shame on you for being sorry.... 

Please take good care of the family and yourself.



good day.

Well I'm am sorry ...I kinda had some folks queued up but hey... such is life.

Rest assured I'm not losing sleep over it ;)
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #166 on: July 30, 2013, 02:55:52 pm »
Hi Lodoss!

Sorry for my late reply! Have recently started to try this Namco mod again.
Will sen you some pic when i get it up workin'!  :D
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #167 on: August 03, 2013, 09:29:59 am »
Took some quick photos of the working Aimtrak. managed to squeeze the recoil-chip in the bottom. The only change made were the chip which I
connected with some wires instead so I could put it away. Otherewise its straight forward, o, I hade to cut the usb cable too so I could fit it in my shower hose.  :angel:






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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #168 on: August 03, 2013, 07:43:21 pm »
Does your recoil fire realistically? by that I mean does it take the outputs from mame/mame hooker? I am trying this method using the aimtrak recoils with a parallel port output but it just doesnt keep up, any chance you can post a video showing pulse response. ie shots per second please?

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #169 on: August 04, 2013, 09:56:03 am »
I can fire just as fast as I can pull the trigger ;D
And it sure is realistic with a decent snap. Use a 24V powersupply.
This video shows how fast you can shoot, but the sound is a bit thin compared to the real IRL experience.

heres a link to the video
instagram.com/p/chze3VIdMb/embed
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #170 on: August 04, 2013, 01:14:06 pm »
I love this mod.  Shame its so expensive and not exactly easy. 

I hope someone can put together an easy to follow how to in the future  :cheers:
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #171 on: August 07, 2013, 11:46:47 am »
Maybe i can do a step-by-step kinda guide. Just followed the recoil kit schematics from andy at ultimarc as this build using his recoil board (so kinda OT hehe).
i just skipped his solenoid and his gun halvs which you buy seperately.

here's another video of me laing a bit of House of the Dead 2 (Sega Naomi)

www.youtube.com/embed/NfTh8OZvhXc  :angel:
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #172 on: August 07, 2013, 12:05:14 pm »
 :drool

A step-by-step guide would certainly be helpful, at the very least it would help price everything up.
So I would need a gun from here http://www.arcadespareparts.com/arcade_parts/shooting_parts/time_crisis_gun_assembly/13199.html
Andy's recoil kit circuit board
Some kind of powersupply
and... a whole lot of patience and luck?

This is still a pie in the sky option for me and I'm just not sure I could justify the cost but I'm sure plenty of people would appreciate and benefit from a good how-to guide in what went into making this thing work.  If you were willing.
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #173 on: September 11, 2013, 11:15:56 am »
have to bring back an old thread, but I am starting to do this and have a few questions hopefully someone can answer.

I understand the gun needs 24v and 2a, I mistakenly bought a 24v and 4a laptop power supply is there anything I can wire in to brake down the amprage to 2 amps?

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #174 on: September 11, 2013, 11:38:10 am »
Don't worry about it.

The power supply you bought should work just fine.

The amperage rating reflects how many amps it is capable of supplying, not how many will actually be drawn by the devices.

In plumbing terms, you got the right water pressure (24v) and a pipe that can carry 4 gallons (4 amps) in a given time frame for a faucet that puts out a little less than 2 gallons in that time frame when it's wide open -- no problem.


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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #175 on: September 11, 2013, 12:03:25 pm »
okay thats great info thanks! i actually bought 2 of them, should i run both guns on one or use one for each gun?

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #176 on: January 27, 2014, 05:45:27 am »
Hi Guys!

Hey I just found this thread and was contemplating setting something up like this, but some of the steps seem like they might be kinda beyond my knowledge.
Just wondering have many of you had much luck getting it to work? I can understand replacing the built in system with the aim track but the recoil bit is where I'm stuck. What triggers that? Mame? Could you not just set up some kind of simple system that just triggers the solenoid every time you hit the microswitch?

Thanks,
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #177 on: March 03, 2014, 01:42:00 pm »
I guess you could set up the trigger to fire the solenoid via a timer chip of some sort (timer 555 chip?) as you want to have the gun solenoid released even while the trigger
is still pulled from your first shot. Thought of taking this road at first, but as aimtracks solenoid mod just works this way it's way easier.
Also, the solenoid only fires when the gun is pointed at the screen  :angel:

I could do a setp-by-step guid. but as the time has passed I no longer remeber exactly how I did.
I do, how ever, have another NAMCO gun who needs a mod so I should really order up a new mod kit from http://ultimarc.com/recoil.html

I did't do much more than followed the instructions on his site, document here --> http://ultimarc.com/Recoil_kit.pdf

If someone needs it, I made a extremely basic schematic here to "follow"  :)


here's the whole album with other pics --> http://s285.photobucket.com/user/gstav80/library/NAMCO%20GUN%20AimTrak%20MOD?sort=6&page=1

For powersupply I bought a 24V on ebay.

The black button will serve as triggerbutton, so you can link thisswitch to the guns microswitch as I did directly.

!!!PLEASE BE CAREFUL NOT TO PUT 24V ON THE 12V CIRCUITS!!!
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #178 on: March 03, 2014, 01:42:27 pm »
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #179 on: March 04, 2014, 07:12:48 am »
Thanks for this a few questions though.

1. Did you have to cut away any of the plastic the get the camera to mount properly?
2. For the trigger microswitch am I correct in saying that you solder trigger wire (red) to pin 1 (from the aimtrak) and then solder to the microswitch. Then the same for the ground wire (white) to pin 5 (of the aimtrak) and then to the microswitch? I ask as when I look at your completed pics I only see 2 single wires going to the microswitch?

3. Does the camera stick out of the end of the gun as it looks like it does?
4. Sorry last question for now. It looks like you haven't fitted the glass lens does this cause any problems?

Thanks for your help
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #180 on: March 08, 2014, 02:55:09 pm »
Ok I decided to just try it and see how it went.

I wired everything up as you've shown but I don't have any recoil. I check all my solder joints and they are good. The weird thing it after checking which wire from my PSU was V+ (brown) and V- (Blue) when I first plugged the power in the aimtrak lost connection to the pc and my screen started to flicker. I then swapped the wires over and everything seemed fine. The trigger works as does the aimtrak just not the recoil. Any help?

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #181 on: March 13, 2014, 10:26:21 am »
I'm now stuck and at a point where I don't know what else I can try.

Basically everything is working EXCEPT the recoil. I have wired everything up and the trigger works, even both side buttons work but I get no recoil whatsover. I know the PSU and solenoid are find as I wired them up separate to the recoil board and the solenoid kicks just like it should. I have also tried two different recoil kits and double checked my soldering. Anybody have any advice or help?

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #182 on: April 06, 2014, 10:14:15 am »

I'm now stuck and at a point where I don't know what else I can try.

Basically everything is working EXCEPT the recoil. I have wired everything up and the trigger works, even both side buttons work but I get no recoil whatsover. I know the PSU and solenoid are find as I wired them up separate to the recoil board and the solenoid kicks just like it should. I have also tried two different recoil kits and double checked my soldering. Anybody have any advice or help?

TIA

Do you have the proper version of firmware installed into your aimtrak module?
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #183 on: July 12, 2014, 04:44:41 pm »
Sorry for reviving a dead thread, but i'm very interested in doing this myself.

If i am correct i will need
An aimtrak OEM kit
an aimtrak recoil kit
A 24V power supply
A namco arcade gun

Whats a good place to buy the arcade gun? I live in the NL

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #184 on: July 12, 2014, 11:56:06 pm »

Sorry for reviving a dead thread, but i'm very interested in doing this myself.

If i am correct i will need
An aimtrak OEM kit
an aimtrak recoil kit
A 24V power supply
A namco arcade gun

Whats a good place to buy the arcade gun? I live in the NL

Yes you have it.  The Namco gun can be picked up on eBay as they pop up from time to time ... You can get the gun parts from Suzo/HAPP (http://eu.suzohapp.com)... but they are very costly.

To convert the Namco gun, you need to use the solenoid of the gun with the driver circuit of the Aimtrak recoil kit.
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #185 on: August 04, 2014, 03:58:23 pm »
Alright, got my namco gun and opened it up. Some small questions:

  • What kind of amperage should the power supply for the recoil have
  • The trigger part of the namco gun has two white wires. How should these be attached to the AimTrak module
  • The namco gun has an extra recoil part below the trigger, should this be used in the AimTrak setup?

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #186 on: August 04, 2014, 11:09:18 pm »
Ultimarc has a very good PDF on how to...

http://www.ultimarc.com/Recoil_kit.pdf

The PDF covers power supply requirements.  It also shows you where to connect the recoil wire of the recoil PCB to the AimTrak module connector housing.

Because the Namco gun has no extra buttons (like the ones on the side of the AimTrak gun housing) you will have to connect ground directly from the AimTrak module.  see the PDF for location of ground pin.

One terminal of trigger switch will connect to ground and the other connects to "Trigger" on AimTrak module (not the recoil PCB)

Connect the two red wires from the Namco solenoid to S1 and S2 of the recoil PCB.   You don't need the diode that is wired into the Namco solenoid, the recoil board provides that for you.

The only thing you need from the Namco gun is the solenoid, trigger switch and plastics... nothing else.

It's been a while and I'm replying on my phone... so proceed with caution :)
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #187 on: August 31, 2014, 03:15:22 pm »
Alright, operation succesful. I ordered two kits, one of the MOSFETs was faulty or we broke it, but luckily i had two. If anyone is interested in doing i can help

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #188 on: September 01, 2014, 08:09:24 am »
Alright, operation succesful. I ordered two kits, one of the MOSFETs was faulty or we broke it, but luckily i had two. If anyone is interested in doing i can help

If you could offer some help I'd appreciate it, as I never managed to get this working :-(

An album of pictures would be great, along with a guide if possible. Would really help me out.

TIA

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #189 on: September 01, 2014, 08:49:41 am »
Hey retroactive,great job on this project man,looks great.I have a question about removing the aimtrak camera board.what method did you use to remove the solder from the camera board,solder sucker or wick?or did you use a heatgun?Not sure how much heat the camera can take if I use a heatgun.But the top solder points look really difficult to desolder with wick or a sucker.I will be doing this mod as soon as I find those namco guns for reasonable price.Im running two happ guns with traks in an area 51 mame cab currently.

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #190 on: September 01, 2014, 09:11:36 am »
Solder wick... carefully.  I add a little solder to help it wick if it's stubborn.  I also use very good equipment...  and a clean well tinned tip is key.
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #191 on: October 09, 2014, 07:42:29 pm »
Does Anyone Sell These Guns Completely modded with Aimtrak????

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #192 on: December 27, 2014, 05:25:23 am »
I am very interested in having this mod done.

it is my understanding that Retroactive added a button to his namco gun with his personal DIY kit, could the same thing be done again with aimtraks recoil kit?.

Would I be able to take a Namco gun, aimtrak recoil kit along with the PDF and bring it in to an electrical shop and say 'Just followed the recoil kit schematics and use this solenoid instead' or is there more to it than that?

also Epic Fatigue, you mentioned you have both a 'named' gun and 'namco' gun, are they really both similar? no cut backs being made in order to reduce the price by near half!, I only ask because the named version is the only way to get the gun in black like the original arcades, and I may prefer black colour to pink/blue.

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #193 on: March 06, 2015, 11:52:36 am »
just thought i'd ask for an update on this after 6+ months of silence.

would really like to have one of these, any advice would be very much appreciated.

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #194 on: March 13, 2015, 05:00:32 pm »
Came across this forum and particular post as i was searching for this very conversion.

Im currently throwing my money at the screen in order to obtain one of these converted objects of glory.

If the chap in question is still making these conversions to order il take two as soon as possible.

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #195 on: March 13, 2015, 06:03:28 pm »
I guess you could set up the trigger to fire the solenoid via a timer chip of some sort (timer 555 chip?) as you want to have the gun solenoid released even while the trigger
is still pulled from your first shot. Thought of taking this road at first, but as aimtracks solenoid mod just works this way it's way easier.
Also, the solenoid only fires when the gun is pointed at the screen  :angel:

I could do a setp-by-step guid. but as the time has passed I no longer remeber exactly how I did.
I do, how ever, have another NAMCO gun who needs a mod so I should really order up a new mod kit from http://ultimarc.com/recoil.html

I did't do much more than followed the instructions on his site, document here --> http://ultimarc.com/Recoil_kit.pdf

If someone needs it, I made a extremely basic schematic here to "follow"  :)


here's the whole album with other pics --> http://s285.photobucket.com/user/gstav80/library/NAMCO%20GUN%20AimTrak%20MOD?sort=6&page=1

For powersupply I bought a 24V on ebay.

The black button will serve as triggerbutton, so you can link thisswitch to the guns microswitch as I did directly.

!!!PLEASE BE CAREFUL NOT TO PUT 24V ON THE 12V CIRCUITS!!!

Is there any reason the wires from the pcb to the solenoid is that much thicker than the powersupply wires to the pcb?

Awesome posts and guide btw :)

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #196 on: March 19, 2015, 12:24:30 pm »
yes I would like this as well, shame I don't see anyone else making them, I'd assume there would be quite a demand for them.

andy from ultimarc may be able to make them, people in this thread are using his recoil kit, so I'm sure it wont be too hard for him to do an extra solder job on the side.

let's hope someone comes through with a solution for this.

Once someone starts making them it's likely I will be buying the 'named' gun from the website,

http://www.arcadespareparts.com/arcade_parts/shooting_parts/gun_assembly_for/13629.html

mainly because I would prefer to have the gun in black like the original japanese arcade, I can only get the official guns in pink/blue.
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #197 on: March 26, 2015, 03:37:35 am »
Hey guys,there is cheaper solution to buying the namco gun,if you can get your hands a pelican 'the real arcade' gun for ps1/dreamcast,I say go for it instead of the namco gun,its alot cheaper and almost identical to the namco gun,but has two buttons already built into the shell that can be wired to the aimtrak.perfect for mame use.

I made a video of 1 in action on my machine.Its a crappy video just demonstrating the pelican gun.heres the link. http://youtu.be/cqH79ZiqLkU.you will notice in the video the gun recoils when I reload,that is because I used the most basic circuit possible with a simple 5v relay.the only downside is if you hold the trigger the recoil stays on,now thats not a problem unless you play a game like T2,but for that reason I have a switch to turn it off completely so I can hold down the trigger without burning out the solenoid.I used method because I didnt have the right firmware to enable recoil from the aimtrak module,and didnt think I would be able to find it seeing as the ultimarc links are down,but andy sent me the right one after a few emails.

I have two more real arcade guns I will be selling with ultimarc solenoids and  recoil pcb.you need to add your own aimtrak,power supply,and diy skills.one is gray and one is black.they will work like the circuit in this thread,no recoil shooting off screen,and holding the trigger wont keep the solenoid on.The aimtrak solenoids are a great replacement for burntout namco/pelican solenoids.I attached a few pics.

Also for anyone who cant get the ultimarc schematics to work,I can help you setup an easier circuit with the relay I used.I could even offer a service to do all this for you if you send me the guns.I can do either method,aimtrak recoil(mosfet),or 5v relay recoil.the relay will be cheaper.
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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #198 on: March 26, 2015, 05:46:24 pm »
that's a pretty smart idea to stick an aimtrak inside a pelican real arcade gun.

do you have any comparison to the real world namco recoil guns, if so would you say the recoil is similar to that of the pelican

you said 'I have two more real arcade guns I will be selling with ultimarc solenoids and  recoil pcb'

are you saying you are selling the ulimarc solenoid, i thought you would be using the pelican solenoid with ultimarcs recoil PCB.

but what say you about using the real namco gun with aimtrak and ultimarc recoil kit, its not just about the recoil of the gun, but the build qauilty as well, I hear they are built like tanks.

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Re: AimTrak-Converting a Namco Recoil Gun
« Reply #199 on: March 26, 2015, 06:46:17 pm »
The build quality of the pelican vs namco gun is the same.they are both built like tanks.Some minor changes to the pelican shell to accommodate two buttons and two switches used for the ps1/dreamcast.The original pelican solenoid feels identical to the namco gun,when fed the same 24v current.You wont notice a difference.but the two pelicans that I am modding have bad solenoids,I have two ultimarc solenoid kits that I am using as replacements,the reason I say they are great replacements is because they are alot cheaper than the namco/pelican solenoids,and the aimtrak has a really good recoil effect when,again fed 24v.