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Author Topic: Ninja Monkeys (Completed with Video)  (Read 37046 times)

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 4/22**
« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2012, 01:26:22 pm »
yeah, I've thought about it.  I'm sort of leaning in the other direction.  I have a 5-year-old who is going to play this thing constantly.  There are certain games where I'm thinking the trackpad is going to be easier. (Angry birds, Trine 2, anything on the web, he is big into flash type games.)  I thought about getting this one:
http://www.paradisearcadeshop.com/en/joysticks-trackball/47-ps2-led-trackball.html

I don't know though, I feel like I am treading on some of the purist thinking here but I have never even played centipede and only ever played mission control with a mouse.  Maybe I need to think about it a little bit more before cutting into my CP.

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 4/22**
« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2012, 04:44:36 pm »
I can kind of relate.  I put a spinner on my old cab about a decade ago mostly because it seemed the de facto thing to do, even though I had never really played tempest or tron much as a kid.  I even spent a lot of time manually hacking one together from an old hard drive and a ball mouse.  When I finally played tron and tempest on my cabinet - well, obviously there was no nostalgia for me and they just felt like very dated games (i.e. not a lot of fun).  However, I have had many friends and family play on the cab over the years, and a few almost passed out when they had a chance to play spinner games - in the long haul I am happy I did it.

That said, I agree wholeheartedly that the panel design should be what is going to be the most fun for you and your unique situation, other people here on the board aren't going to be playing it, so they just have to deal with your non-traditional controls!   :)

Seriously, anymore something that doesn't look like an x-arcade tankstick clone with ball-top joysticks can be branded a "frankenpanel" - sometimes pretty snarkily, which is not cool.

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 4/22**
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2012, 09:59:11 am »
Hey Jammin,

Just noticed this and I have to say it's looking niiiice!

And if anyone ever wants to see a picture of mine I might just show them yours as the paintwork looks a lot better!  :applaud:


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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 4/22**
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2012, 10:49:40 am »
And if anyone ever wants to see a picture of mine I might just show them yours as the paintwork looks a lot better!  :applaud:

No way man, the hardest part of doing this project is the fact that everything I do seems to be not quite on par with your original version.   :notworthy: You have some extra finesse that I think mine is lacking.  Your curves are curvier and your lines are straighter.  Anyway thanks again for sharing, it looks like since I started mine there are a few others who are taking on your cabinet too.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2012, 01:54:08 pm by jammin0 »

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 4/22**
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2012, 10:55:38 am »
Hopefully you don't mind Mark if I post your artwork on here, if you do mind then let me know and I'll take it off.  I just used a website called fiverr.com and paid some guy to do some artwork.  What do you guys think?  I think it was a steal for the $5.  Still not completely into the Ninja theme but my 5-year-old refers to it as the Ninjacade already and he came up with the title.  I figure I can always change out the artwork later, not a huge deal if it gets old quick.


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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 4/22**
« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2012, 07:45:09 pm »
Don't mind at all - the whole point is to share!

Unfortunately the original terminus is no more as after storing it for a while (new family member took the room) it got pretty destroyed by water damage  :angry:

Plus side is I get to build another one!

Liking the artwork. I think you can spend a lot of time on little details but once you get it working you end up forgetting about it and just enjoying it for what it was made for - a rockin' machine that makes ur mates jealous!

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 4/22**
« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2012, 08:37:32 am »
Don't mind at all - the whole point is to share!

Unfortunately the original terminus is no more as after storing it for a while (new family member took the room) it got pretty destroyed by water damage  :angry:

Plus side is I get to build another one!

Liking the artwork. I think you can spend a lot of time on little details but once you get it working you end up forgetting about it and just enjoying it for what it was made for - a rockin' machine that makes ur mates jealous!

 :hissy: :cry: :hissy: :cry: :hissy: :cry:

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 4/22**
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2012, 12:03:25 am »
Don't mind at all - the whole point is to share!

Unfortunately the original terminus is no more as after storing it for a while (new family member took the room) it got pretty destroyed by water damage  :angry:

Plus side is I get to build another one!

Liking the artwork. I think you can spend a lot of time on little details but once you get it working you end up forgetting about it and just enjoying it for what it was made for - a rockin' machine that makes ur mates jealous!

Markc, imagining the original Terminus wasting away in a leaky room brings a tear to my eye - please keep us posted when you create Terminus II!


Jammin0, any updates on your project?  I will start mine in the next few months - I opted to go with a 27" 16:10 S-PVA screen and just found a local company with a nice CNC machine with reasonable pricing (about $200 not including materials).  I'm currently planning for 5/8" MDF with 1/16" laminate on both sides.

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 4/22**
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2012, 09:44:23 am »
I'm at a standstill because I ran out of funding.  They are talking layoffs at work so we're trying to be pretty frugal until we know what is going on with that.  I'm a teacher and they are tossing us out like we're dirty underwear right now, about 1/3 of the entire staff.  We'll see if I make the cut.

I have left the artwork, buttons, plexiglass, tmolding and I should be done.  Here is one blurrycam shot.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 10:49:42 am by jammin0 »

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 4/22**
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2012, 09:54:57 am »
Sorry to hear about your job, man, I hope you get to stay.
Your cab is looking real good.

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 4/22**
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2012, 10:52:23 am »
Sorry to hear about your job, man, I hope you get to stay.
Your cab is looking real good.

Yeah, pretty much par with the course these days.  I've been pretty lucky with my employment up until this point so I have no real complaints, lots of people have it way worse than me.  This hobby is great to occupy the mind, keeps me looking forward to things.

Thanks for your comments.

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 4/22**
« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2012, 11:09:31 pm »
The cab is looking great buddy, sorry to hear about the uncertainty at work.  Things will work out - in the meantime you can agonize and change your mind a dozen times about your button choices!

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 5/20**
« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2012, 11:40:34 am »
Here is a picture of the bezel after my 4th attempt.  I had the hardest time getting the lines sharp without any bleedthrough.  Picture isn't the best but you can kind of see it. :)

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 5/20**
« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2012, 03:36:17 pm »
Cool, is that back-painted plexi?

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **minor update 5/20**
« Reply #54 on: May 21, 2012, 04:21:28 pm »
Cool, is that back-painted plexi?

It's actually back painted glass.  Luckily it wasn't plexi which I almost went with.  The glass cleaned off easily enough with a razor blade, the plexi would have been a 1 shot deal.  I finally used a vinyl decal cut to the size of my window for a mask and then spray painted black for the bezel area.

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #55 on: May 23, 2012, 12:10:35 pm »
Ok, I'm totally hung up on the artwork now.  I knew this would happen.  I'm not sold on it and need some advice/ideas.  I originally thought of a ninjacade theme.  Not a fan of that name anymore so I'm thinking ninja renegade but I'm not sold on my artwork choices.  I'm going with light blue T-molding so something simple like the gradient background I have going on will be good enough. 

Does anyone have any other ideas, the ninja in the picture kind of sucks so I don't want to use it.  I love TMNT too so I'm wondering if I could throw together a cool them with them.  Since I'm only dealing with the marquee and then copying that onto the control panel it seems like it shouldn't be too hard but I'm out of my element here.

Please Heeeeelllpppppppppp. ??? :'(  Anybody?

Here's a link to the .ai version of the graphic if anyone wants to help out.  ;)
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0dsw4BlVOtSdFZPa0pGMFpOd2c

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #56 on: May 23, 2012, 12:29:15 pm »
Maybe it's the blue, doesn't seem right to me. I'd consider losing the "cade" part and just give it a definite title.

Couple of ideas, do a search for "Ninja Monkey" there were some great arcade style artwork knocking around you could possibly use. Obviously slightly different than your current theme but just throwing it out there. I nearly themed my other machine of the very same thing.  

Another "Revenge of the Ninja" lots of 80's ninja films, this one being a well known one. Could give you some inspiration from posters/vhs boxes for text and feel.

Artwork is damn hard, completely sympathise where you're currently at as it really is a key part of the machine visually.

Looking good where you're at tho  :cheers:
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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #57 on: May 23, 2012, 12:39:11 pm »
One more. The last ninja, how about on the CPO at the top edge having something like the face used in the artwork, all in black.

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #58 on: May 23, 2012, 03:28:07 pm »
A name for your machine is a tough one, and some unfortunately wind up being kind of cheesy. One thing I liked about the original Terminus is that Markc basically came up with a name that sounded like an old school arcade machine that could have existed, but never did.  You could try something similar?  Maybe a play off the original Terminus name to give a shout out?

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #59 on: May 24, 2012, 01:25:36 am »
Thanks JayB and AGarv

I really like ninja monkey idea and my son was way into it.  I emailed the two guys who made these two images to see if they wouldn't mind me using them.  I guess I'll pull it off if they tell me no.

On a better track?

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #60 on: May 24, 2012, 04:57:31 am »
It's great your son is so into the machine  :applaud:

A couple of things I've picked up from my partner as she's worked in the print trade is placement and consistency. Looking at the two characters they are very different in terms of design style which can make them conflict with each other visually by not sitting in context. I'm guessing your son liked the one on the right?

Text wise, what about something in a Bamboo style? Maybe play around with different size text for either monkey/Ninjas, making one much larger or even one at a different angle. Just throwing some more ideas out there really.  I'd consider some kind of backdrop, and drop the opacity so it's more of an atmosphere. It could pull it al together nicely.

I've attached some art to get some more inspiration from :cheers:

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2012, 09:49:10 am »
Hi, loving the machine! I'm a former art director, so maybe i can help you with a couple tips on how to get the most out of your graphics.

The text being brownish, with a black outline, and tight kerning (the space between the letters), is leading to a very muddy look. Contrast is your friend in these kinds of applications where you want things to be bold. So, be sure to pick colors that stand out from each other. Don't kern too tight because the contrast between the text and the background is also important. If you do need tight kerning, be sure to make up for it by using high contrast colors. A trick to make graphics like this pop is often using what I call color shells. Your text has a fill color, and an outline color, it can also have a shell color which is outside the outline. Typically I use white or a very pale color as you need to keep high contrast with the outline. This can make text with a dark stroke on a dark background POP. you can make it pop even more by adding a subtle drop shadow. Look at old arcade graphics and you will see loads of variation on these simple techniques.

The background is kind of boring with just a gradient, and a kind of calming blue. The idea of Monkey Ninja just screams bounce off the walls action, but the background is not carrying it through. I suggest something in the red orange and yellow area as the basic palette, as those are action colors that go with your theme. You don't have to use them in their full color strength (like ketchup and mustard), they can be used as tints or what-have-you to make a subtler feel. The background does not want to overpower the text.

As for background graphics, you don't want a lot of detail, but you do want the feeling of an environment. This can be very simple using things like silhouettes, or even layers of them. Some outlines of stylized Japanese buildings, trees, etc. could be cool for a "situational environment", you could also make a conceptual environment, using silhouettes or outlines of ninja weapons, or ninjas doing karate moves. Less is still more in this area though. a few well placed images with the right colors can make a huge difference. Saumurai Jack is a great example of both color palette, and making simple graphics work hard for you. Some inspiration: http://tinyurl.com/bvsaa7l

As for the monkeys, I like them. One note to consider is that an outline around them can also make them pop if needed. It can also denote directional action if used in other ways. You could add some speed lines behind them for one.

Anyhow, I hope this helps. Best of luck completing your cab. Looks stellar so far!  :applaud:


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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #62 on: May 24, 2012, 10:53:46 am »
You guys rock.  Thanks for all the great tips.  Believe it or not I did take an instructional design class for my graduate program where I learned about typography and CARP design.  I guess that didn't transfer very well into my hands on skill set.  I'll keep working on things and throw back out my attempts here as I get them done.  I have been stuck on blue tmolding and that is why the blue color but I think I'll have to rethink that as that seems to work better with rainbows, bubblegum, and fighter jets instead of killer ninja monkeys.

Thanks for all of your guys' help so far. :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #63 on: May 24, 2012, 02:03:05 pm »
Thanks JayB and AGarv

I really like ninja monkey idea and my son was way into it.  I emailed the two guys who made these two images to see if they wouldn't mind me using them.  I guess I'll pull it off if they tell me no.

On a better track?
That left pic I was going to use on mine, before I commissioned custom character designs from Trebeck. I don't like the one on the right though.....
Maybe this one instead.
Or this guy.....
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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #64 on: May 24, 2012, 02:23:04 pm »
Another Monkey  :lol  Shaolin style

Actually, looking the marquee again you could put him on the left hand side and duplicate to have 3 of the ninjas on the right side. Reduce the size of two to give the illusion they're all jumping down in a V formation. You'd have to flip them to face left though.
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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #65 on: May 24, 2012, 02:27:40 pm »
 :lol Makes me want to design one now

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #66 on: May 24, 2012, 07:23:23 pm »
Ninja Monkey is pretty cool, I like TMNT also, although that doesn't mesh cleanly with your current color scheme.  How about the:

"Half Shell" Arcade

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #67 on: May 25, 2012, 12:33:53 am »
Ok, your guys' feedback has been invaluable.  

How about something like this?  Different direction using everyone's input.  Or at least my interpretation of your input. :)

**edit

So it is called Ninja Monkeys so I thought I'd try to throw another monkey in there.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2012, 11:24:15 am by jammin0 »

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #68 on: May 25, 2012, 05:30:15 pm »
I vote for number 3  ;)

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #69 on: May 26, 2012, 09:49:05 am »
Looking good, the background really brings it together!  Gives you a nicer overall color scheme versus the ninjacade also IMO!

2 or 3 definitely, leaning toward 2!


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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #70 on: May 26, 2012, 10:36:53 am »
Thanks for the feedback guys.  Any more votes?  I was leaning towards #2 as well.

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #71 on: May 26, 2012, 11:34:29 am »
2.

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #72 on: May 26, 2012, 11:41:56 am »
At first I thought 3 but, I think there's a better space balance with 2.

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #73 on: May 26, 2012, 08:22:56 pm »
Final thoughts before I send this off to souldraw.com?

Your guys' help has been invaluable.  You can see how far I've come with your guys' suggestions and help.

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #74 on: May 26, 2012, 11:59:01 pm »
That big blank space in the middle of the CP seems so empty, are you going to be adding a Trackball?
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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #75 on: May 27, 2012, 09:54:18 am »
Great work! This has really come into its own. I vote 2 as well.
Only things I'd say to try before your done is make the foreground darker (almost black) for more of a dramatic feel. That's probably going to interfere with the text some so I'd tweak that to fit. It'll probably be a matter of just changing the "monkey" color some. I'd suggest bright red for that text, plus black outline, and a white shell. I think overall it will feel more cohesive. But even if you just roll with it as is it's a great improvement.

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #76 on: May 27, 2012, 08:17:18 pm »
Looking good!  Eventually I would replace the buttons with a color more aligned to the artwork (e.g. keep the red for P1 and shift P2 to orange or something similar).

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #77 on: May 27, 2012, 09:51:03 pm »
Looking good!  Eventually I would replace the buttons with a color more aligned to the artwork (e.g. keep the red for P1 and shift P2 to orange or something similar).

Maybe yellow, like a banana.  IL makes the joystick, too.

Also +1 to adding *something* in the vast, bright white expanse on the CPO.


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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #78 on: May 28, 2012, 12:18:15 am »
I haven't been on for a while so I missed the start on this one.
Great job!!!
It's about time someone made a Terminus copy. It's one of the greatest mame cab designs ever.

Your cabinet looks great!

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Re: Shameless Terminus Copy **In Desperate Need of Art Help**
« Reply #79 on: May 28, 2012, 10:51:40 am »
Looking good!  Eventually I would replace the buttons with a color more aligned to the artwork (e.g. keep the red for P1 and shift P2 to orange or something similar).
I did a mockup with red and yellow and orange and yellow.  I don't think it looks too good.  I think the red and blue work because they are such a contrast but complementary.  I like the yellow banana suggestion.  Looks kind of cool with just all yellow.