No yoke from Ram Controls

[WareWolF]

Well I have been patient long enough.  Dave Adams has been promising me a yoke for months on end.  BUY AT YOUR OWN RISK from ram controls.

[mytymaus007]

let us know if you get it it by the holidays HOHOHO

[WareWolF]

not likely...  already been thru last years holidays.   I just checked my paypal history and it was ordered 6/27/2009.

[releasedtruth]

And you've waited that long without taking action???

[nick3092]

If it makes you feel better, I ordered 10/09. Got it 8/10, but with a damaged wiring harness. Then I had to send back at my own expense. And now he's not sure when he will have better packing material.

He'll send it again, packed the same. But why would I take the chance sending getting it damaged again and sending it back at my own expense again?

He usually responds to pm's at klov. But he some times still doesnt respond and claims his "e-mail" is broken. Apparently the unread message indicator when he logs into klov is broken too.

[WareWolF]

If you search the threads you will find that I have had numerous promises from dave that the issue would be resolved for months now.  I have given him absolutely every benefit of the doubt, but calling him out seems to be the only way to get him to respond.  He of course is now claiming he will send me the yoke or a refund immediately, so I will let you know what happens this week.

[WareWolF]

nick3092-tell him to take it to a UPS or Fedex store and have them pack it, if it is damaged they will refund you money.

[Malenko]

dont use spacing to bypass the word filter. its there for a reason. you can type --cream-filled twinkie-- and I can read it, because I chose to turn the filter off.

[releasedtruth]

I do love a good --cream-filled twinkie--. They make the world go 'round. I can't tolerate 2 weeks delay, let alone 1 year.

[FrizzleFried]

...FREE RAM stuff coming in 3...2...1...

[nick3092]

Dave emailed me today and said he still doesn't have the custom padding, but he's going to send it again with some additional padding. Hopefully it makes it in one piece.

[JustMichael]

nick3092-tell him to take it to a UPS or Fedex store and have them pack it, if it is damaged they will refund you money.

 

Even I know if I don't have the right box or right packing material I can take it to them and they will pack and ship it for a fee and I hardly ever ship anything.  They even give you a tracking number right away.

[meherenow]

I have the same problem with Dave and I am still waiting, I'm in the UK and he just keeps making empty promises - last contact I have with him was nearly 3 weeks ago where he said he was going to pack it off via UPS as the USPS kept returning it to him??!?  I also paid him for the USB lead which he said he would refund me and chuck the lead in for free.

I too have checked my PayPal history and I paid him on 27th June 2009 as well.  Strange.

Did you ever get your yoke/refund?

[Cananas]

Yep. Same Here. Ordered  a yoke and decal on December 30th (when "it's shipping"). Also ordered usb interface on April.

Still waiting. He didn't answer my last PM on KLOV forum. Waiting he ship my order via UPS.

[LeedsFan]

I was gonna order one of these yokes until I read these recent threads.

What kind of protection do you have if you pay by PayPal? If you were to get an email from RAM Controls stating that they have an item ready to ship and can provide tracking number within 3 days of payment, can you issue a complaint and get a refund if that tracking info is not provided in that time? I'm prepared to take a chance providing I know I have payment protection. I'm not prepared to wait weeks (never mind months) for a ~$250 order.

[JustMichael]

I'm not prepared to wait weeks (never mind months) for a ~$250 order.

Ummm.... from what others have posted on here the time is actually in YEARS!

Sorry if I offend anyone but it is a nasty wet day out and I feel like climbing on to my

From all the posts I have seen here and at KLOV, Dave is NOT a reputable vendor, PERIOD!  He has taken people's money and then he has lied to sooo many people sooo many times I bet even he has lost count of how many times he's lied.  If he truly wanted to ship the yokes out he could easily ship them all out tomorrow!  All he would have to do is walk into a UPS or FedEx store with NO boxes and NO packing foam, just bring in the bare yokes.  He would hand the yokes to the staff and they would box them up and ship them off for a reasonable fee.  They will even provide him with a tracking number IMMEDIATELY for each yoke shipped!  I have had both places pack and ship glass stuff several times and never had a package arrive damaged and I am quite sure a star wars yoke is more durable than the glass stuff I shipped.

Now for my personal thoughts about the star wars yoke situation:

I personally believe that Dave doesn't have any star wars yokes to ship and has already spent your money so he can't buy anymore parts to make them.  Why else would he need YEARS to ship star wars yokes out(apparently some people's yokes still haven't shipped yet)?  Some people here even told Dave to just ship the yoke parts to them and they would assemble the yoke themselves.  Some people have even offered to assemble the yokes for him to help him out.  One slight problem though, you can't assemble or ship parts if you don't have any.  Honestly I still don't understand why it seems like nobody has called in law enforcement to handle this whole matter.  Since this is interstate, I wonder if the FBI would be interested in him?

[LeedsFan]

Such a shame    the yokes do look awesome and we know Havoc got one. Is that the only confirmed yoke shipped to a customer?   lol

[FrizzleFried]

Dave...Dave...Dave...Dave...Dave...

This is the reason why the term "The RAM Effect" is being thrown around at KLOV.   Thanks Dave!  I'm sure ALL the vendors appreciate it.

[nick3092]

Dave did eventually replace the damaged yoke. But when I got it, there was a decent sized chip out of the powder coating on one of the handles.  He was going to send me a new handle like 2 months ago. Needless to say he is no longer responding to emails and I have no replacement handle. And I've been too lazy to go try klov.

The best part is he blamed UPS. Despite the boxes arriving in like new condition. I tend to think the yokes were damaged when he shipped them.

[Hoopz]

Since this is interstate, I wonder if the FBI would be interested in him?

Get kenmelk involved.  He worked for the FBI and was going after Harpal (or was it Christian/Slikstik?).

 

[Havok]

Such a shame    the yokes do look awesome and we know Havoc got one. Is that the only confirmed yoke shipped to a customer?   lol

There are quite a few confirmed customers that got theirs. Unfortunately, there seems to be quite a few that still haven't. It's the curse of the yoke - they are mostly made from unobtainium.

[nexusmtz]

I "almost" feel better knowing that I'm not the only one still waiting. Ordered/Paid Jan 2, 2010.

[VanillaGorilla]

wow.  dont throw out the baby with the bathwater. I had probably the best vendor service ever from Dave. free next day shipping to boot. I WILL order again. Sorry for you guys that got in early and had your funds tied up. I'd be pissed too I guess. No one likes to feel lied to, and I'd guess Dave has more than a little regret about how the whole situation too. I hope this all gets worked out amicably. I'd hate to lose him as a resource. He is providing a one of a kind line of products... I would speculate that a bit of perfectionism and a ton of pride have prevented the timely delivery of less than perfect yokes. For those frustrated from waiting, is he refusing refunds on these?

[meherenow]

wow.   dont throw out the baby with the bathwater. I had probably the best vendor service ever from Dave. free next day shipping to boot. I WILL order again. Sorry for you guys that got in early and had your funds tied up. I'd be pissed too I guess. No one likes to feel lied to, and I'd guess Dave has more than a little regret about how the whole situation too. I hope this all gets worked out amicably. I'd hate to lose him as a resource. He is providing a one of a kind line of products... I would speculate that a bit of perfectionism and a ton of pride have prevented the timely delivery of less than perfect yokes. For those frustrated from waiting, is he refusing refunds on these?

I'm not after a refund (yet), I just want my yoke that I paid for upfront last June in good faith!  Surely I should have been one of the first in line to get my yoke, I preordered pretty much straight away after he started taking PayPal.

It's the constant broken promises that piss me off the most - he has posted the yoke twice he says, says he will send me a tracking number and then I don't hear anything for weeks, he "says" he has problems with his email and that he has replied to me, yet not one other person or company I deal with on that email address has ever had any problems with my incoming or outgoing mail.  I accuse him of ignoring me and he goes on to blame the USPS (because I am in the UK) - says he has (and I quote this verbatim from his email) "plenty of yokes in stock, so I can ship one to you on Monday" via UPS and that was 3 weeks ago, no followup email and no tracking number, and now no reply so far to an email I sent him yesterday.


Heres what I am up against - he sent me this on the 3rd of May 2010....

"Just wanted to followup today to let you know to watch for your yoke.  The last batch includes yours, so you should have it shortly.

Have a great week!!

Dave"


Excellent news, but I hear nothing more...

until on the 18th of May 2010....


""Just a quick update.  I've been delayed on shipping a few yokes.  Will have information for you shortly.  USB, Yoke, Refund all in the same parcel.

Dave





eh?  I thought mine had been sent out in that last batch, strange...

Now I am patient - but I am also busy, so 7 weeks go by from that last missive...


so fast forward to 7th July 2010

"I've been catching up on yoke orders this week.  I thought I emailed everyone to give them a heads up on the process.  The orders going out this week will conclude all outstanding yoke orders, I believe.  I know for a fact that your order is in this lot as I recall seeing your name on one of the labels.

Talk to you soon.

Dave"



Good, my name is on a label, so I will get this yoke that he already dispatched back in May!





More to-ing and fro-ing later, 1st August 2010 -


"I shipped a heap of yoke controllers this last week, including every single remaining foreign order.  I know that your order was included in this last "push" to get everything done.  I can give you specific details on Monday.

I hope you enjoy the yoke controller. :-)

Have a great weekend."



Success, my yoke is shipped (again) and I await the tracking details with baited breath.



But alas no, this is where the problems start with the USPS returning my parcel to him, but what am I to believe?  He has never sent me ANY tracking info, and originally my yoke had been shipped in May?




I'm really at the end of my tether now - nearly 17 months later and nothing - If I don't have my yoke soon I will ask for a refund, and if I don't get either what am I supposed to make of Dave.

Are you reading this Dave?  What am I supposed to make of you?

[Daviea]

Well guys, it looks like I still have a few yoke orders to clear up.  I know that there's an issue with overseas orders, but I have a plan to get around that.

Anyone who has a pending yoke order with me, please email me at daviea@ca.rr.com and I will take care of it.  I'm very sorry for the extended wait.

Nick - you should have that handle piece in your hands today.  I don't ship these yokes already damaged, come on.  I know you guys can get upset with me, but let's still be reasonable.  Sure, I take awhile to get things squared away, but that's all it is - me being SLOW.  All the conspiracy theories....give it a rest already.

Thanks

Dave

P.S.  Friz, thank you for alerting me to this thread!!

[Hoopz]

Why should anyone with a pending order send you an email?  Hell, most of the time, you say you didn't get emails from people anyway.  Don't you have a record of those you have taken money from but not shipped?

[meherenow]

Well guys, it looks like I still have a few yoke orders to clear up.  I know that there's an issue with overseas orders, but I have a plan to get around that.

Anyone who has a pending yoke order with me, please email me at daviea@ca.rr.com and I will take care of it.  I'm very sorry for the extended wait.

Nick - you should have that handle piece in your hands today.  I don't ship these yokes already damaged, come on.  I know you guys can get upset with me, but let's still be reasonable.  Sure, I take awhile to get things squared away, but that's all it is - me being SLOW.  All the conspiracy theories....give it a rest already.

Thanks

Dave

P.S.  Friz, thank you for alerting me to this thread!!

Well Dave, I'll hold you to what you have said in your email to me I have just received in the last hour, that you will have news for me on Monday.....  of course, you have said this before on numerous occasions and what I just cannot understand is that you say you are "going to try and get this small batch built today and shipped today if at all possible" - I thought you had already tried to ship mine a couple of times and they had been returned - why would you need to build mine again? 

I'm afraid you bring these so called "conspiracy theories" on yourself!

In any case, this is definately last chance saloon for me, you've had my money for nearly 17 months now, and don't forget my USB lead I also paid you for that you promised me a refund on.

[JustMichael]

Anyone who has a pending yoke order with me, please email me at daviea@ca.rr.com and I will take care of it.  I'm very sorry for the extended wait.

Forgive me but what kind of "company" doesn't know what orders they have to fill yet??

Nick - you should have that handle piece in your hands today.

I wonder if this translates into shipping it in April of 2011?

I know you guys can get upset with me, but let's still be reasonable.  Sure, I take awhile to get things squared away, but that's all it is - me being SLOW.  All the conspiracy theories....give it a rest already.

Be reasonable??  Any "reasonable" company ships your order within a few days of receiving payment!  They do not lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and then finally ship the product the following year or even later but only if you are one of the lucky few otherwise you are asked to contact them!

Slow is taking 4-6 weeks to ship something NOT 18+ months!

Conspiracy theories?  I see no conspiracy just what I consider to be a con artist.

Dave, simply put your actions thus far have shown that you are a unreliable and dishonest vendor and believe it or not it shows.  Why should people order products from you if you collect their money but don't ship the products they ordered?  Ahhh yes, that old saying "A fool and his money are soon parted."  Sorry Dave but I'm no fool.

[Daviea]

All I can do is address each issue as they come up.  I'll do that and hope it smooths things over.  I'm not in this hobby for the drama, I just want to enjoy it like everyone else and help out by making cool parts nobody else can/will.  I expect this subject to be closed shortly.  Thanks for your interest.

[FrizzleFried]

Dave...

Just wondering...

DO YOU have a list of yokes you owe people or are you just hoping that people who've sent you dough but got nothing for it eventually emails you or posts on BYOAC or KLOV?

I mean,  how can you NOT know EXACTLY who you owe yokes to... this is a serious question Dave...

PS:  Since you evidently didn't take names down or something... you owe me a yoke too.  Remember that $250 I sent you back in October of 2009? *



* this is not serious

[Daviea]

Friz,

I know you're just fanning the flames and I really don't get it.  But, anyway....  No, that's not the point at all.  I know who paid and I know who I've shipped to.  In fact, I've shipped out a massive number of yokes, yet it seems that on occasion someone says they didn't get theirs even though it has shipped.  I am aware of a few shipments that have been problematic, but my request I made is to potentially weed out anymore situations like this before they turn into a problem.  I want the yoke situation behind me, so please stop picking apart my posts.  I'm trying to END this.

Dave

Dave...

Just wondering...

DO YOU have a list of yokes you owe people or are you just hoping that people who've sent you dough but got nothing for it eventually emails you or posts on BYOAC or KLOV?

I mean,  how can you NOT know EXACTLY who you owe yokes to... this is a serious question Dave...

PS:  Since you evidently didn't take names down or something... you owe me a yoke too.  Remember that $250 I sent you back in October of 2009? *



* this is not serious

[FrizzleFried]

I'm just absolutely amazed that someone as "successful" as you claim to be in your "real world job" can "fail" in your duties as a vendor over and over and over for so so so long.  Dave... i don't think you could manage your way out of a kindergarten halloween corn maze.

I'm done piling on... you're doing a good enough job yourself.

[mytymaus007]

Friz,

I know you're just fanning the flames and I really don't get it.  But, anyway....  No, that's not the point at all.  I know who paid and I know who I've shipped to.  In fact, I've shipped out a massive number of yokes, yet it seems that on occasion someone says they didn't get theirs even though it has shipped.  I am aware of a few shipments that have been problematic, but my request I made is to potentially weed out anymore situations like this before they turn into a problem.  I want the yoke situation behind me, so please stop picking apart my posts.  I'm trying to END this.

Dave

Dave...

Just wondering...

DO YOU have a list of yokes you owe people or are you just hoping that people who've sent you dough but got nothing for it eventually emails you or posts on BYOAC or KLOV?

I mean,  how can you NOT know EXACTLY who you owe yokes to... this is a serious question Dave...

PS:  Since you evidently didn't take names down or something... you owe me a yoke too.  Remember that $250 I sent you back in October of 2009? *



* this is not serious

 Dave if order a yoke today Do you  think i will get it it time for Christmas

thanks

[Daviea]

 Dave if order a yoke today Do you  think i will get it it time for Christmas

thanks

If you ordered a yoke today, you'd have it by Wed/Thur of this coming week.

Dave

Edit:  taking into account that there is a holiday this coming week, that delivery time may increase by 2-3 business days.

[JustMichael]

 Dave if order a yoke today Do you  think i will get it it time for Christmas

thanks

If you ordered a yoke today, you'd have it by Wed/Thur of this coming week.

Dave

Edit:  taking into account that there is a holiday this coming week, that delivery time may increase by 2-3 business days.

Ya right....   

You have orders that haven't been filled in YEARS and you actually expect someone to believe they will have their Star Wars yoke in about 1 week?  Dave, I don't know what you have been smoking but it must be some pretty good $#!T to F-up your mind like that!

[FrizzleFried]

I have little doubt he'd get the yoke to him in a week... of course he'd push him to the front of the line... in front of the countless folks he evidently doesn't even KNOW he still owes yokes to.

But I know... I know... it's UPS's fault... or USPS's... or FedEx... or the weather... hell,  I am sure GOD had a hand in some of these yokes mysteriously disappearing.  ANYONE but Dave... ANYONE.

[opt2not]

Dave, you should just suspend taking new orders till the backlog is cleared up. Doesn't help the workload if things keep getting stockpiled. If your not doing this for the cash, then you shouldn't need to worry about losing the profit. Rep as a vendor is worth more. Just some friendly advice from someone who understands service delays.

[Daviea]

Hey Friz,

Slow morning? :-)  I thought you were done piling on, buddy??  LOL  Ahh, I know you can't help yourself.  Addictive, isn't it?  Nothing like a good roasting Saturday morning!!  And we all know that there's nothing tastier than roasted Dave!! HAHA

Listen, I've already admitted that I have trouble with shipping, especially those overseas orders.  Who wants to pay $80+ to ship UPS (with REAL tracking)?  Nobody!  In the end, I cough it up to ship UPS and the yokes arrive.  I am fully aware of the very few orders I need to resolve and I'll take care of it.  End of story, really.

GOD had no part in this, btw.  It was the Devil!!

Dave

I have little doubt he'd get the yoke to him in a week... of course he'd push him to the front of the line... in front of the countless folks he evidently doesn't even KNOW he still owes yokes to.

But I know... I know... it's UPS's fault... or USPS's... or FedEx... or the weather... hell,  I am sure GOD had a hand in some of these yokes mysteriously disappearing.  ANYONE but Dave... ANYONE.

[Daviea]

There really isn't a "backlog" - it's just a few people who I've had trouble shipping to, nothing more nothing less.  In the past, there was a hella backlog that was WELL documented, but the entire backlog was taken care of.  Bottom line is that I need to resolve a few shipping issues (which I will) and this thread loses it's teeth.

Dave

Dave, you should just suspend taking new orders till the backlog is cleared up. Doesn't help the workload if things keep getting stockpiled. If your not doing this for the cash, then you shouldn't need to worry about losing the profit. Rep as a vendor is worth more. Just some friendly advice from someone who understands service delays.

[Daviea]

Not meaning to distract the thread, but I just came up with a great idea for a t-shirt that involves "RAM Effect" and the "roasting" concept.... LOL  I'll flesh out that idea and present it later.  Yes, I can laugh at myself.  :-)

Dave