Insert coin before selecting game? This possible?

[sk8ersublime]

I was wondering if there is any software or configuration for Hyperspin where I could insert coins before selecting the game and have it transfer to the game, kind of like the multicades you see around in bars and stuff. Anyway to do this with Mame?

[ubiquityman]

You could do this with AutoHotKey I think:

When "Enter" is pressed, wait for xxx seconds then send the "coin" key.
It'd essentially be an unintelligent micro so YMMV.

[bkenobi]

That won't work unless you compile MAME to use the old input system.  The current system uses RAW inputs and it won't take key presses sent by a program.

[DeLuSioNal29]

You could always use Cfg Magician to set all (or most that support it) to FREE PLAY.

D

[Ginsu Victim]

I was wondering if there is any software or configuration for Hyperspin where I could insert coins before selecting the game and have it transfer to the game, kind of like the multicades you see around in bars and stuff. Anyway to do this with Mame?

What you're wanting to do will not get answered. It's frowned upon. MAME devs definitely don't want this.

[Kevin Mullins]

Yeah, something like this was discussed before and the potential commercial use aspect is a big factor in my opinion.

[sk8ersublime]

I mean im not trying to do it for commercial use...

i just thought it would be a little more realistic to an arcade for my cab if i put a coin in, and then i could select the game

sorry. its not a huge deal, just was wondering if it was possible

[SophT]

That won't work unless you compile MAME to use the old input system.  The current system uses RAW inputs and it won't take key presses sent by a program.

according to the autohotkey documentation on the Send function:

SendRaw Keys

Raw mode: The SendRaw command sends the keystrokes exactly as they appear rather than translating {Enter} to an ENTER keystroke, ^c to Control-C, etc. To use raw mode with SendInput, SendPlay, or SendEvent, write {Raw} as the first item in the string; for example: SendInput {Raw}abc

would that help?

[Ginsu Victim]

i just thought it would be a little more realistic to an arcade for my cab if i put a coin in, and then i could select the game

99% of arcade games AREN'T like that (the 1% is for stuff like Neo Geo and Playchoice). Where's this realism?

[Nataq]

It totally make sense. I would be interested in a solution too.

[CheffoJeffo]

Somebody did write code for this some years back. IIRC, MAMEDevs didn't like it, so we don't talk about it here.
Same person somebody else released a new version in December and, from what I can see, all links to it are now broken or have been removed.

PSA: I also seem to remember that the last person who asked for it got a lemony fresh surprise, so be careful what you download ...

EDIT: corrected as it apparently wasn't headkaze who released the one in December

[Firebat138]

to play the devils advocate here... Who cares what Mamedevs think...  and I mean no disrespect in that comment at all... 
I mean this is for OUR use not theirs.  Same with the whole GPU accel. or using a REAL monitor.  If you can get it to work the way YOU want, that's all that matters.  Personally MameUI64 makes my games run better and faster now that I have a 64 bit system so hats off to the devs for continuing the progress...  Now if they can only get Time Crisis to work.  :-)

But I dig the idea, now what would be REALLY cool, is if that you could put a quarter in the first time and it STARTED MAME, or HS, or Mala... etc...  or maybe not... See...I almost talked myself out of the idea.  :-)

[CheffoJeffo]

to play the devils advocate here... Who cares what Mamedevs think...  and I mean no disrespect in that comment at all... 

The rules. saint asks us to respect the MAMEDevs' wishes, so we do. I don't agree with everything they say or want, but I respect saint's wishes. If I want to do something that runs contrary, then I do it someplace else.

9. BYOAC strives to be a MAME-friendly site. There's a page discussing BYOAC and MAME's relationship that you should read, but the short nutshell is that BYOAC will strive to honor MAMEDev wishes regarding distribution of MAME and derivatives thereof.

The aforementioned page:

http://arcadecontrols.com/BYOAC-and-MAME.shtml

[Firebat138]

oh...

[Ginsu Victim]

Who cares what Mamedevs think

 

[Firebat138]

hehe... flame all ya want, as I stated I wasn't trying to be an ass or anything, just saying that the guy had a good idea and we should help him the best we can...  and not just state a rule... 

Why can't I covet thy neighbors wife... Because GOD said so... Well... that isn't good enough.  :-)

Again...    No disrespect as I was just stating my own opinion... if it wasnt for these forums and MAME, I would have bought several arcades by now just to play Galaga or Ms. Pacman.  :-)

[Ginsu Victim]

hehe... flame all ya want, as I stated I wasn't trying to be an ass or anything, just saying that the guy had a good idea and we should help him the best we can...  and not just state a rule...

It opens the door for commercial use. We don't want that and the MAMEdevs DEFINITELY don't.

Why can't I covet thy neighbors wife... Because GOD said so... Well... that isn't good enough.  :-)

No politics or religious discussion allowed. Read the rules.

[Firebat138]

OK... but it wasnt a rule violation...  I was merely poking fun.  Lighten up a little


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Why can't I covet thy neighbors wife... Because GOD said so... Well... that isn't good enough.  :-)

No politics or religious discussion allowed. Read the rules.

[Ginsu Victim]

Really? As a Christian, I took offense. That's why we have the rule.

[Firebat138]

Pm sent.

I truly did NOT mean to offend anyone here...  So case closed and sorry for the trouble.

[Manre Boo]

Why everyone is so serious?

If you know solution to problem that guy is asking just send him PM or email to help him out.
It won't do any harm to anyone.
Everyone is allready downloading full rom sets in illegal ways, so surely it can't be so bad to help a guy to get his system to work like he wants. After all I believe that is the reason this forum exists? Build Your Own Arcade Control <-- yea...so now lets build our own arcade controls ok?
For sure if I knew solution to help thread OP I would help him.

[Ginsu Victim]

It's one thing to help an established member privately with a question like this, but a new member we don't know comes in and asks, and we have no clue about his real intentions (or those of people reading this thread).

[Manre Boo]

I can't really see how this topic could be held as some private secret amongst long time members. We can never expect community to grow if new members are dealt like this.

He asked simple question about arcade controls, and some people are basically saying that this can be done, but we are not going to tell you because its secret or rule violation

Don't be hypocrites now people. Every single person in these forums are breaking many kind of rules/laws allready.
Just help the guy out if you know solution, thats why this forum exist right?

[CheffoJeffo]

Why everyone is so serious?

Probably because the discussion always stirs things up and you get folks shooting off stuff like  

Everyone is allready downloading full rom sets in illegal ways

which has absolutely nothing to do with following saint's simple requests and only tends to piss people off.

I think the bottom line on this is that there was an solution for this. It pissed people off, including the author. It is no longer available and supported.

If you want to experience the drama, here is a sample thread:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=47627.0

[Hoopz]

USB sucks.  PS/2 is dead!

 

 

[CheffoJeffo]

Don't be hypocrites now people. Every single person in these forums are breaking many kind of rules/laws allready.

You are making blanket assumptions that are incorrect. Not everybody here does what you want to do.

AND, this is saint's BBQ and you need to respect his wishes (and, if you aren't clear on them, read the rules). If you don't want to, there are lots of other cool places on the innertubes.

USB sucks.  PS/2 is dead!

I thought it was LCDs that suck and CRTs that are dead!

 

[Hoopz]

USB sucks.  PS/2 is dead!

I thought it was LCDs that suck and CRTs that are dead!

 

I'm old school.  You kids and your new fangled televisions freak me out.

Seriously, if everyone hasn't read the rules, please take the time to do so.  It makes things run much more smoothly around here.  There are enough rabblerousers without adding people getting pissy about getting smacked down when they haven't read the rules.

PnR should be open to everyone without having to ask!  Up with freedom, down with the man!  

[Manre Boo]

Cheffojeffo: Nobody can live without breaking any kind of rules, trust me on this one. I am not making blanket assumptions on this one. If you never have violated any rules or laws please feel free to say so but then you are lying.

Now if I am undestanding this issue correctly, bottom line is this:
Commercial use. Does this mean arcade machines that are made to malls and gas stations by someone who don't really own rights to those arcade games?

As now arcade cabinets are dying. Soon there will be only some very rare places where arcade cabinets even exist. Ofc us, people who build their own arcades, will still have their cabs, but major population will not have any access to arcade machines.

I dont really see any problem to bring more arcade cabs to be used by common people. Even if those arcades are brought by people who dont own legal rights to things what is inside their cabinets. Its better to have some illegal arcades than no arcades at all.

Japan still have some arcade business going on but in other parts of the world arcade is dying really. Thanks to things like PS3 and Xbox360.

We must safe arcades if we can. It  must not be priviledge only for arcade enthusiasts to be able to play games in arcade cabs.

Im only posting my opinion. I hope its allowed in this board?

[Ginsu Victim]

Wow, you just lost the argument.

[Hoopz]

We do need one stickied thread that delves into Mame's legalities, Mamedev's wishes, DMCA, etc instead of having these same discussions all of the time.   It's worse now than all of the other threads like what's the best joystick, what's your favorite FE, etc.

I think it's pretty damn clear.  Don't do anything that's against the rules here.  Don't piss on Mame or it's developers on purpose.  Do what you want in the privacy of your own home but when you post about it, it becomes public.  That's when it goes back to respecting Saint and Mamedevs. 

Bottom line.  If you want to be an ass, do it within the rules. 

[Malenko]

If you want to be an ass, do it within the rules. 

like chad and PBJ

SAFE our arcade, lol.

Basically the reason we dont discuss a solution to this is it because too easy for someone to use MAME in a commercial enviroment This way. Its not exceedingly difficult to coin up after picking a game, so its serves little to no purpose to coin up prior to selecting one. Just because a person wants help doesnt mean we are ordained to do so nor does it mean we know a viable solution.

[Hoopz]

If you want to be an ass, do it within the rules. 

like chad and PBJ

SAFE our arcade, lol.

Basically the reason we dont discuss a solution to this is it because too easy for someone to use MAME in a commercial enviroment This way. Its not exceedingly difficult to coin up after picking a game, so its serves little to no purpose to coin up prior to selecting one. Just because a person wants help doesnt mean we are ordained to do so nor does it mean we know a viable solution.

I wasn't going to name names.   

And those are three perfect points.

[CheffoJeffo]

Im only posting my opinion. I hope its allowed in this board?

Absolutely.

You seem to have trouble distinguishing between posting an opinion and breaking the rules. I like 60-in-1 boards -- this is my opinion. I don't post here about how to find them because it is against saint's rules.

[Ginsu Victim]

Basically the reason we dont discuss a solution to this is it because too easy for someone to use MAME in a commercial enviroment This way.

Yeah, but according to this quote, he doesn't care:

I dont really see any problem to bring more arcade cabs to be used by common people. Even if those arcades are brought by people who dont own legal rights to things what is inside their cabinets. Its better to have some illegal arcades than no arcades at all.

[Manre Boo]

I don't see how I have breaked rules? Rules 5 say nothing illegal. Ok. Does this mean if I write my opinion about arcade halls I have breaked rules? Its not like I am building illegal arcade or something like that I am merely stating my opinion of this topic.

I am not trying to irritate anyone, and I will stop now posting about this topic.

But could you please say your opinion about public arcades? Would you like them to be gone forever. Or have even couple of 3rd party arcade game halls?

Thank you for being patient with newbie. It would still be better place to discuss if it would be more open minded place. Maybe reason is that i live in Finland, and arcades here are completely extincted. Not even amusement parks got arcades anymore, in very rare places you can find one or two arcade cabinets. This is main reason I am building my own cabinet. If there were arcade halls I would go there to play games and pay money for it.

[Ginsu Victim]

This is main reason I am building my own cabinet. If there were arcade halls I would go there to play games and pay money for it.

So would you pay to play your own cabinet? With what you're saying, you would have us go to arcades and play MAME versions of games, not the real thing. That's not why I go to arcades.

I still pay to play real machines when I find them, and even with my MAME cabinet, I still want the real thing.

[CheffoJeffo]

Nobody said that you broke the rules.

I can't really see how this topic could be held as some private secret amongst long time members. We can never expect community to grow if new members are dealt like this.

He asked simple question about arcade controls, and some people are basically saying that this can be done, but we are not going to tell you because its secret or rule violation

Don't be hypocrites now people. Every single person in these forums are breaking many kind of rules/laws allready.
Just help the guy out if you know solution, thats why this forum exist right?

You said that we should break the rules and that we were hypocrites for not doing so.

[Manre Boo]

Actually I am planning to pay to play my own cabinet. When cab is ready, every single credit i play i put coin in cabinet.

I was talking about bringing cabinets to other peoples hands than arcade enthusiasts. Next generation propably will never see live arcade cab in their own eyes. We enthusiasts can play our cabinets yeah, but other people can't play them anywhere.

As I stated I am not going to ask anyone to break rules anymore, but just remember next time you break a rule to gain something, then you indeed are a hypocrite. Time will come eventually.

[CheffoJeffo]

As I stated I am not going to ask anyone to break rules anymore, but just remember next time you break a rule to gain something, then you indeed are a hypocrite. Time will come eventually.

You really don't get it, do you ?

We are talking about following saint's specific rules for posting here.

I don't give a toss what rules you break elsewhere.

[Firebat138]

Man... Did I do this...?  :-)

Since we are on the subject...  when I was younger I worked at a comic shop and another local shop had either Xmen. or TMNT, cant remember which, but in any case, they rented the machine from somewhere  The manager somehow figured out to make it free play, which I didnt even know was possible... for the employees after hours...  I guess someone got wind of it and the company took the machine back, stating they violated the rules, which they DID.  But what is really stopping people from putting a mame cabinet in your local shop or whereever... hooking up the coin slot and NOT put a coin button on...  Then using whatever front end you want...  wouldnt you just pick the game you wanted, hit select and it would still need quarters right?  I wouldnt put it past people, but I wonder if there are any cases of exactly this.

It reminds me of the people who stole PONG from that guy and then made arcades to put in donut shops and stuff, I guess the owner called a couple days later and said the machine was broke... it wasn't...  I was FULL of quarters.  :-)