UFC 100 predictions

[CCM]

With UFC 100 being a week away, what are everyone's thoughts?

Here are my picks:

Mir over Lesnar by submission
GSP over Alves by decision
Fitch over Thiago by KO/TKO
Henderson over Bisbing by KO/TKO

[lordtodd75]

Mir over Lesnar by decision- this is mostly based on hope, lesnar will probably win.
GSP over Alves by 2nd round destruction
Fitch over Thiago KO
Henderson over Bisping by decision

[Malenko]

Mir over Lesnar by decision- this is mostly based on hope, lesnar will probably win.
GSP over Alves by 2nd round destruction
Fitch over Thiago KO
Henderson over Bisping by decision

exactly the same. Its bad when I want Lesnar to lose just because hes not a good fighter, hes just HUGE. doesnt that defeat the point of weight limits?

[ChadTower]

That confused me for a minute.  Too many Thiagos.

Henderson over Bisping by stoppage
Thiago over Fitch by submission
GSP over Alves by stoppage
Lesnar over Mir by murder

BTW, Lesnar is only like 10lb heavier than Mir.  It's not so much his raw size that is the problem.  It's that the guy moves like a middleweight.

[CCM]

I have the least confidence in my pick of Mir over Lesnar, but I just don't like Lesnar and just really want him to loose.  

Most of what I read people are picking Lesnar to KO Mir saying the Lesnar will be more prepared this time, better submission defense, more experience, etc...   That sort of confuses me, do they think Mir has been sitting around drinking beer and eating donuts?  I think Mir will be better prepared to deal with the strength of Lesnar having seen it first hand.  And we still really haven't seen Lesnar take a good shot to the face, I'm curious to see how he handles that.

After all of that being said, I can still see Mir getting KO'd, but I really don't want that to happen...

[CCM]

BTW, Lesnar is only like 10lb heavier than Mir.  It's not so much his raw size that is the problem.  It's that the guy moves like a middleweight.

He's 10lbs heavier at the weigh-in, Lesnar has to cut weight to get down to 265, Mir is always around 255.  By fight time, Lesnar is probably closer to 280 and Mir is still 255ish.

[ChadTower]

And we still really haven't seen Lesnar take a good shot to the face, I'm curious to see how he handles that.

We did see Lesnar moonsault off the top rope at Wrestlemania, eff it up landing right on his face, and still get up.  Granted, no one hit him 5-6 times after that, but we at least know one dramatic shot to the face isn't going to put him out.  That fall would have killed most people.  

If he were facing a world class striker we could probably say that's irrelvant.  Mir is not a world class striker.

Tim Sylvia used to cut to get to weight too.  Difference is that he was a telephone pole.  Being huge doesn't help much if you're a static target.

[CCM]

We did see Lesnar moonsault off the top rope at Wrestlemania, eff it up landing right on his face, and still get up.  Granted, no one hit him 5-6 times after that, but we at least know one dramatic shot to the face isn't going to put him out.  That fall would have killed most people.  

If he were facing a world class striker we could probably say that's irrelvant.  Mir is not a world class striker.

ugh... I'm not getting into a pro-wrestling/MMA debate... I didn't see Lesnar in wrestlemania, so I have no idea what it looked like.  All I am saying is that we haven't seen him get hit hard in the face ... in MMA... Where like you say, he can get hit 5 or 6 more times before he regains his senses...  And I wouldn't discount Mir's striking too much...

Tim Sylvia used to cut to get to weight too.  Difference is that he was a telephone pole.  Being huge doesn't help much if you're a static target.

That's not the point, you pointed out that Lesnar is only 10lbs heavier than Mir, which by fight time simply isn't true. 

[ChadTower]

That's not the point, you pointed out that Lesnar is only 10lbs heavier than Mir, which by fight time simply isn't true. 

It's not a black/white issue like that.  I can also say Mir doesn't have to cut 20lb to make weight so he's the fresher man at fight time.

[CCM]

That's not the point, you pointed out that Lesnar is only 10lbs heavier than Mir, which by fight time simply isn't true. 

It's not a black/white issue like that.  I can also say Mir doesn't have to cut 20lb to make weight so he's the fresher man at fight time.

jesus... I was just pointing out that by fight time Lesnar is closer to 25lbs heavier than Mir, not 10lbs... I said nothing about how that effects the fight...

[ChadTower]

jesus... I was just pointing out that by fight time Lesnar is closer to 25lbs heavier than Mir, not 10lbs... I said nothing about how that effects the fight...

So what is your point?  What does being heavier mean if you're not saying it affects the fight?   

[CCM]

jesus... I was just pointing out that by fight time Lesnar is closer to 25lbs heavier than Mir, not 10lbs... I said nothing about how that effects the fight...

So what is your point?  What does being heavier mean if you're not saying it affects the fight?   

My point is you were wrong....

[ChadTower]

My point is you were wrong....

Official weight is calculated at the weigh in.     I'm sure if you ran up to the man with a scale he'd be more than happy to step on it for you on his way to the ring. 

And since your position is that the weight doesn't matter... then the point doesn't matter... yes?

[CCM]

I would love to see the fighters weighed again right before the fight.  It amazes me how much weight they put back on in 24 hours... 

[Malenko]

theres about 15lbs between the 2, and if you think 15lbs of muscle doesnt matter, your a ---smurfing--- moron.

they look identical, like its a brock and a mirror. /sarcasm

[ChadTower]

theres about 15lbs between the 2, and if you think 15lbs of muscle doesnt matter, your a ---smurfing--- moron.

they look identical, like its a brock and a mirror. /sarcasm

Of course, you could easily say the difference isn't Lesnar's 15lb of muscle... it's Mir's 20lb of fat.  Mir isn't anywhere near a 255lb frame. 

I stand by the opinion that it's not his size it's his movement.  Bob Sapp fights at 325lb of raw muscle and Mir wouldn't even break a sweat taking that guy's arm off. 

[RayB]

With UFC 100 being a week away, what are everyone's thoughts?

Mine:
Guys everywhere will pay too much to watch guy on guy homo-erotic action.

[Malenko]

With UFC 100 being a week away, what are everyone's thoughts?

Mine:
Guys everywhere will pay too much to watch guy on guy homo-erotic action.

thats the WWF WWE, this is more like guy on guy slightly less homo-erotic action.

[ChadTower]

I predict a bunch of guys that have never been in a fight in their lives are going to be armchair experts about the intricacies of MMA.

Well, we all know what jim is an expert in being.

[Ginsu Victim]

I predict a bunch of guys that have never been in a fight in their lives are going to be armchair experts about the intricacies of MMA.

Big difference in a street fight and an MMA fight.

[CCM]

I predict a bunch of guys that have never been in a fight in their lives are going to be armchair experts about the intricacies of MMA.

 

So no one should predict or comment on any sport unless they have played it professionally?

[hypernova]

I predict a lot of hugging and man-on-man straddling action going on.

Awwwwwww yeah!

[Chadwick]

I predict Dana White will swear at some point.

[ChadTower]

Holy crap anyone have any question about GSP, Lesnar, or Henderson now?   

[shardian]

Sweet. Thanks ESPN for showing me the condensed Lesner fight for free this morning. 

That was disrespectful of Mir to try and knee bar Lesner again right off the bat. He got his what was coming to him.

[ChadTower]

That was disrespectful of Mir to try and knee bar Lesner again right off the bat. He got his what was coming to him.

Sarcasm?

Gotta hand it to Mir for being all class.  All class at the same moment Lesnar was giving the crowd two middle fingers.

[JeepMonkey]

I was shocked at the results of the Akiyama vs Belcher fight.

I know nothing about Akiyama, but they were saying that he was a very good fighter, maybe elite.  So I was a bit surprised thast he didn't look better than he did.

IMO, Belcher won that fight.  Now when you leave it to the judges, well sometimes crap happens.  But come on, one judge scored the fight 30-27 Akiyama.

Am I the only one that thinks Belcher got robbed?

[shardian]

That was disrespectful of Mir to try and knee bar Lesner again right off the bat. He got his what was coming to him.

Sarcasm?

Gotta hand it to Mir for being all class.  All class at the same moment Lesnar was giving the crowd two middle fingers.

Oh it has nothing to do with traditional 'respect' like you and I would show. It has to do with the fact that you don't go and intentionally piss off a grizzly bear.

I loved Lesnar's quote after the match:

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his a--," Lesnar said. "I told him that a year ago. I pulled the sum b---- out and beat him over the head with it."

[ChadTower]

Oh it has nothing to do with traditional 'respect' like you and I would show. It has to do with the fact that you don't go and intentionally piss off a grizzly bear.

Meh.  It makes sense from some points of view to test him immediately and see what he has learned.  Plus if the sub is there you take it - may not get another one and he didn't.

I loved Lesnar's quote after the match:

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his a--," Lesnar said. "I told him that a year ago. I pulled the sum b---- out and beat him over the head with it."

Too bad he used it in every single prefight interview too.  The quotes from the post fight press conference were better about Dana White finding him for a "whip the dog session" and making it clear he was not to flip off fans or badmouth sponsors ever.  The UFC did ask him to bring a little showmanship from WWE.  Guess they didn't anticipate the automatic pro wrestler's reaction to being booed is to further antagonize the fans.

That is one thing I don't get.  The fans were booing him hard before he turned back on them.  What exactly did he do wrong in that fight to get booed so hard?  If they wanted a more exciting fight maybe they should have been booing Mir.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

The UFC did ask him to bring a little showmanship from WWE.

And thus the downslide of UFC continues...

[ChadTower]

I actually agree with that so long as he keeps it within the social boundaries of MMA (which he failed to do saturday).  It has gotten to the point where every interview is exactly the same, every post fight interview is the same, and really there is no reason to watch anything other than the fights.  Since pro wrestling is all about everything but the fights it would be good marketing to grab a little of that from an expert.

[hypernova]

The UFC did ask him to bring a little showmanship from WWE.

And thus the downslide of UFC continues...

That would be funny if it devolved into another WWF-type soap opera for men.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I've never been a devoted fan of UFC (or any sport, really), but I've been watching it on and off since the very first year it came out...and I get a little more nervous every year, as the fighters become more like "characters", with the crazy hair-styles, and the intro music for each of them gets more and more elaborate.

I know the promoters are into making heaps of cash, and unfortunately, turning UFC into the WWF/WWE is probably the best way for them to make the money.

That would be funny if it devolved into another WWF-type soap opera for men.

The Ultimate Fighter Show is doing just that...it's providing drama and backstory for these fighters now, before they even fight. Just look at the rivalry it created between Henderson and Bisbing.

[ChadTower]

Heh, that wasn't much of a rivalry.  Bisping acted like a ---meecrob--- to the wrong guy and got his head knocked in for it.    

[shardian]

Heh, that wasn't much of a rivalry.  Bisping acted like a ---meecrob--- to the wrong guy and got his head knocked in for it.    

That followup punch on the ground was BRUTAL...and completely unnecessary. Crap like that is why mainstream has trouble accepting this as a sport. That punch/elbow drop was far more 'bully-ish' than any taunting Lesnar did.

[ChadTower]

That followup punch on the ground was BRUTAL...and completely unnecessary. Crap like that is why mainstream has trouble accepting this as a sport. That punch/elbow drop was far more 'bully-ish' than any taunting Lesnar did.

Blame that on the ref, not on Henderson.  They train to fight until the ref pulls them away.  The ref wasn't there yet when Henderson wound up for that second shot.  How many times have you seen a guy think he knocked an opponent out only to miss the opportunity to finish him off by hesitating?  That concept applies to any sport, really.  Play until you hear the whistle no matter what you think you see.

[Ginsu Victim]

Heh, that wasn't much of a rivalry.  Bisping acted like a ---meecrob--- to the wrong guy and got his head knocked in for it.    

That followup punch on the ground was BRUTAL...and completely unnecessary. Crap like that is why mainstream has trouble accepting this as a sport. That punch/elbow drop was far more 'bully-ish' than any taunting Lesnar did.

Watching the replay, you see that Hendo went into automatic-follow-up-attack mode. Like Chad said, the ref hadn't stepped in yet, nor was there even time. Hell, just be glad it wasn't Pride rules....

[shardian]

Watching the replay, you see that Hendo went into automatic-follow-up-attack mode. Like Chad said, the ref hadn't stepped in yet, nor was there even time. Hell, just be glad it wasn't Pride rules....

I agree that the ref was out of position for a quick stop. I'll give him a pass...but I still say he knew it was over and was going for one last pot shot. He didn't even go for proper position - just dove to drop the hammer.

[ChadTower]

That's how Henderson fights when he has decided to knock someone out.  Note that he didn't use his Olympic level wrestling at all.

[Ginsu Victim]

All I know is....that was one hell of a brutal knockout.....and I loved it. Bisping is a mouthy punk. (And it IS fighting, after all.)

[ChadTower]

He deserved it the way he kept circling back to the power punch of a guy with world class knockout power.  I thought his corner guy was going to kill Bisping himself screaming at him to stop circling right.  He never did listen and now he's a highlight reel item for someone else. 

[JeepMonkey]

  Note that he didn't use his Olympic level wrestling at all.

Bisping predicted that Henderson wouldn't take him down and that he would/could keep the fight on the feet.  I guess he was right up until the point he was knocked out.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

That's how Henderson fights when he has decided to knock someone out.  Note that he didn't use his Olympic level wrestling at all.

I seem to remember - in the post-fight interview - Henderson admitted he knew the fight was over, and that he took the additional cheap-shot to shut Bisping up "a little longer".

Could have killed the guy...

[ChadTower]

I seem to remember - in the post-fight interview - Henderson admitted he knew the fight was over, and that he took the additional cheap-shot to shut Bisping up "a little longer".

Could have killed the guy...

He also said the next day that was a joke and that he's just not a very funny guy so no one recognized it.  That's plausible after watching him on the Ultimate Fighter all season.

Was just poking around and found this.  No wonder sports cards are so dead as a kids' hobby now.  Even Brock Lesnar has four pricey NFL rookie cards?!  The guy never even made it out of training camp.

[ChadTower]

[ChadTower]

UFC 101 this weekend... thoughts?

I have:

Penn over Florian via decision.
Silva over Griffin round 2 tko.

Penn-Florian is a fantastic matchup.  Both are elite BJJ.  BJJ has serious knockout hands and Florian is a high level Muay Thai guy.  In the end I see Penn surviving through ground control and Florian showing a little too much respect for Penn's hands.

Silva is going to kick the crap out of Griffin but Griffin is too tough to get in rd 1.  Griffin may hang around longer than is good for him in the long run.

[shardian]

I will take Florian over Penn.

No way Griffin takes down Silva unless he gets really, really lucky.

[Cakemeister]

Silva by decision.

Since I'm too cheap for pay per view I'll have to watch it next year on Spike.

[CCM]

Penn by dec. over Florian
Silva over Griffin by spectacular 3rd round KO.

[Ginsu Victim]

I agree with Chad exactly.

Since I'm too cheap for pay per view I'll have to watch it next year on Spike.

There's always torrent sites....I'm just saying....

[lordtodd75]

Penn over Florian, TKO first round; penn is going to be looking to humiliate florian after his last fight with st pierre (I was in vegas for that one!). he is training hard. Florians Muay Thai is good, but he is not on the penn's level. I feel bad for florian. I will say this. the longer florian makes it in the fight the better his chances.

Silva over Griffin, KO second round; This fight will go like most other silva fights. He will feel forrest out in the first round. Forrest will try to use his strength advantage, lets hope he does not do this in the clinch or the fight may end in the first round. Second round silva will start reigning down blows from every angle. KO by knee if griffin tries to clinch, by kick otherwise.

[ChadTower]

May as well rename this "I Think I Can Beat Anderson Silva".

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t9SCHLRDoY[/youtube]

Griffin took a dive. 

[Ginsu Victim]

Run, Forrest, Run!!

[ChadTower]

Seriously, he fell down slowly, waved the ref over, then ran away.  He literally ran away. 

[chopps]

I read on some MMA website that Forrest suffered a broken or dislocated jaw and hearing loss on one side, and ran to the back to get medical attention, but who knows.... regardless he got his ass kicked... i didnt think it would be that bad...

[Ginsu Victim]

I read on some MMA website that Forrest suffered a broken or dislocated jaw and hearing loss on one side, and ran to the back to get medical attention, but who knows.... regardless he got his ass kicked... i didnt think it would be that bad...

I've read that the injury news was wrong (actually, just completely made up).

[CCM]

I read on some MMA website that Forrest suffered a broken or dislocated jaw and hearing loss on one side, and ran to the back to get medical attention, but who knows.... regardless he got his ass kicked... i didnt think it would be that bad...

I've read that the injury news was wrong (actually, just completely made up).

yea, it's being reported on mmaweekly.com that there was no such injury....

[shardian]

That was a weird fight...there was something going on there that we don't know about yet. Even Silva was acting funny - like he knew this fight was a big joke. It was pretty hilarious when he offered to help him up though!

Either way, that was an incredibly embarrassing outing for Griffin.

[Ginsu Victim]

It was pretty hilarious when he offered to help him up though!

Really? I thought it was just him being a cocky ---tallywhacker--- again.

[Cakemeister]

Griffin quit after one little bitty jab. I think Griffin just quit because he knew Silva was going to destroy him. What a punk.

[Ginsu Victim]

Griffin quit after one little bitty jab. I think Griffin just quit because he knew Silva was going to destroy him. What a punk.

That's not the Forrest we know, though. Something had to've happened, we just don't know what yet.

Of course, it looks like he was just avoiding another breakdown in the ring. I don't know what is worse: that TKO followed by fleeing the ring, or staying after that TKO and crying like a ---smurfette---.

[ChadTower]

That's not the Forrest we know, though. Something had to've happened, we just don't know what yet.

My opinion:  he was sent out there to make Silva looked good and effed up the "knockout".  He needs to take lessons from Vince on how to stage a finish.  He was fine when he fell down and waved the ref off.  He went down every time Silva hit a strike.  

[CCM]

That's not the Forrest we know, though. Something had to've happened, we just don't know what yet.

My opinion:  he was sent out there to make Silva looked good and effed up the "knockout".  He needs to take lessons from Vince on how to stage a finish.  He was fine when he fell down and waved the ref off.  He went down every time Silva hit a strike.  

I re-watched the fight and I don't see where he waived the ref off...  he went down, looked like he was out of it, saw Anderson standing above him and put his arms up to attempt to feebly block any further strikes.  Where did you see him waive off the ref?

[Ginsu Victim]

I only saw it when it aired, but it looked like he waved off the ref when I was watching.

[ChadTower]

He did wave off the ref, that's the only reason the ref stopped the fight.  That was a submission.  All of the reports summarized it that way too.  It looks strange mostly because Silva wasn't going to chase him to the ground so there was no reason to submit.

[CCM]

He did wave off the ref, that's the only reason the ref stopped the fight.  That was a submission.  All of the reports summarized it that way too.  It looks strange mostly because Silva wasn't going to chase him to the ground so there was no reason to submit.

I know that's how it was reported, but I just don't see it.  To me it looks like he put his arms up to try to block further strikes.  Either way Forrest was schooled...

judge for yourself...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFBtSLEQPvM[/youtube]

[ChadTower]

I look at it this way... when even Joe Rogan almost blurts out "WTF was that" watching the replay it's pretty bad.  The UFC needed Silva to win this dominantly in order to set up his next fight which may be their biggest money fight to date.  They put in their biggest company man to get it done.  Sadly, he's not that smart, and apparently wasn't willing to take a beating in the process.

The best next fight available is Machida but I bet they give him Henderson.  Bad news for anyone in the division for which Silva is champion as there isn't much talk of him defending his belt any time soon.

[Ginsu Victim]

I just rewatched the whole fight, and I see what CCM means. He was trying to defend. You're right.

[ChadTower]

I replayed it about 45 times and disagree.  The ref stopped the fight without any immediate danger because of his signal.  Since when did the UFC stop fights with a knockdown where the other guy isn't following up?  I could see it if he were out like Bisping but he's not.  And Silva isn't pounding him in the head.  There's no reason for the ref to wave this off when he did other than submission.

[shardian]

I replayed it about 45 times and disagree.  The ref stopped the fight without any immediate danger because of his signal.  Since when did the UFC stop fights with a knockdown where the other guy isn't following up?  I could see it if he were out like Bisping but he's not.  And Silva isn't pounding him in the head.  There's no reason for the ref to wave this off when he did other than submission.

Chad is correct. Silva had absolutely no intentions of going to the ground. The ref probably stepped in because it was getting embarrassing for the organization. Hell, he was probably gonna offer him a hand again!

[CCM]

I replayed it about 45 times and disagree.  The ref stopped the fight without any immediate danger because of his signal.  Since when did the UFC stop fights with a knockdown where the other guy isn't following up?  I could see it if he were out like Bisping but he's not.  And Silva isn't pounding him in the head.  There's no reason for the ref to wave this off when he did other than submission.

Chad is correct. Silva had absolutely no intentions of going to the ground. The ref probably stepped in because it was getting embarrassing for the organization. Hell, he was probably gonna offer him a hand again!

That may well be, but no where did Forrest motion to the ref to stop the fight.  Watch the replay, Forrest never even looks at the ref.

[ChadTower]

Because it looks to me like he said it.  And he WAS waving his hands with arms extended, which isn't an effective defense against strikes.

[CCM]

I look at it this way... when even Joe Rogan almost blurts out "WTF was that" watching the replay it's pretty bad.  The UFC needed Silva to win this dominantly in order to set up his next fight which may be their biggest money fight to date.  They put in their biggest company man to get it done.  Sadly, he's not that smart, and apparently wasn't willing to take a beating in the process.

The best next fight available is Machida but I bet they give him Henderson.  Bad news for anyone in the division for which Silva is champion as there isn't much talk of him defending his belt any time soon.

I'm not buying into your conspiracy theories.   I think Forrest was out-classed, frustrated, and completely forgot his game plan, if he even had one to begin with.  Granted, the last punch that put him out didn't look like much, but he was probably still fuzzy from the 2 prior knock-downs.

I admit that Forrest didn't look quite right in the fight, but there is no denying how hard Silva can hit.  You rarely see Henderson, Marquardt, or Leben rocked as badly as what Silva did to them.

In the post  fight press conference Silva said that there is no way he would ever fight Machida, he said they are brothers and that fight will never happen...  For the right amount of money and pressure from Dana, who knows.

[CCM]

Because it looks to me like he said it.  And he WAS waving his hands with arms extended, which isn't an effective defense against strikes.

Waving his hands?  Are you watching the right fight??  Forrest goes down, arms flat out to his side.  He immediately brings his left arm straight up towards Silva, and brings his right arm over and across his face.  How can you interpret that as waving his hands 
 

[THE POKER BRAT]

All i wanna see is

-VS-  any bets??

[ChadTower]

In the post  fight press conference Silva said that there is no way he would ever fight Machida, he said they are brothers and that fight will never happen...  For the right amount of money and pressure from Dana, who knows.

That question was asked recently and White said if he thought it was the best fight it definitely would happen.  He said it with Silva and his interpreter sitting there, too.  The UFC has a history of not bending to individual fighters on who their opponents should be.

[Ginsu Victim]

All i wanna see is

-VS-  any bets??

Brock. Kimbo is a ---smurfing--- joke.

[THE POKER BRAT]

Whats wrong with that fight,..i would love to see that one!...thats a FANTASY match!....think about it,..brocks ego will make him snap and hell be the agressor,..kimbo will take what he has learned so far and try to put brock out early,..i see more of a streetfight out of these two . they are pretty much evenly matched in physical appearance,..one is black the other white,..both have issues,......why not. itll make good for tv
and heres the crowd>>
_kick his but!..
  get him, get gim!
  beat him you muther fu---
  lets see some blood!
   i root for the bad guy!
   yeaaaaahhhhhhhhh!

[shardian]

Brock. Kimbo is a ---smurfing--- joke.

But wouldn't it be Karmic hilarity if Kimbo walked in and landed a hail marry lucky punch? C'mon, that would be worth the price of admission. Of course, so would a brutal beatdown. 

[shardian]

C'mon dude, Kimbo made his name fighting 40 year old out of shape guys in a back alley. The one time he fought a real fighter, he lost and whined. In MMA, he didn't fight anybody, and technically got beat by Mr. exploding ear.

Brock has a legitimate Amateur wrestling career, and has shown he is physically dominant and conditioned in the octagon. He would crush Kimbo within the first round.

[shardian]

As for Forrest, I rewatched it, and it appears he was mostly out of it, and raised his hands in defense when the ref stepped over him. in other words, he saw a blurry shape coming in and threw up his hands. it wasn't even Silva!

I guess it is possible that he got his bell rung early. That last shot was right on the button. Reminds me alot of the shot that took down Kimbo.

[Malenko]

Forrest did better then I would have.

[Cakemeister]

Kimbo doesn't deserve to fight Brock.

[THE POKER BRAT]

you must mean this guy(MR EXPLODING EAR)mmmmmm...YUMMY!

[THE POKER BRAT]

ok ok,..you rather see this instead,...
-VS-
 

[shardian]

Tyrone Biggums would destroy that mo-fo.

[Ginsu Victim]

Tyrone Biggums would destroy that mo-fo.

Yeah, you can't catch a crackhead. He'd be all over the place.

[ChadTower]

Machida-Rua?  Opinions?

I think the decision could have gone either way, really, but agree that Machida was closer to winning.  Neither guy really did enough visible damage to make a clear case.  "Moving forward" isn't much of a determining factor with a stick and move fighter in there.

The UFC commentary has gone beyond useless.  They pick out a fighter at the start of the fight and talk about him as if he has already won - it's less convincing than the WWE commentary at this point.  A few times Rogan went "Oh nice left to the temple by Rua" and Rua hadn't even thrown one.

[Ginsu Victim]

I thought, like everyone else in the room while we watched, that Rua had won (though it was close). The judges didn't see it that way.

[ChadTower]

I thought, like everyone else in the room while we watched, that Rua had won (though it was close). The judges didn't see it that way.

Try watching it again with the TV muted.  See if that changes anything.

It's pretty obvious that, like so many UFC champions, Machida has gone right into conservative "don't lose" mode.  With his elusive style he could end up harder to watch than Tim Sylvia.

[Ginsu Victim]

That's why I don't really care to see a Machida vs Anderson Silva match. Two guys doing what you just said. Yuck.

[Ginsu Victim]

Try watching it again with the TV muted.  See if that changes anything.

The crowd couldn't hear the commentary. By the last round, their chants changed from Machida to Shogun. They thought he was winning too.

[shardian]

That's why I don't really care to see a Machida vs Anderson Silva match. Two guys doing what you just said. Yuck.

You think so? Silva would play that game for a round or two, but would then start going for a knockout - which he would get.

[ChadTower]

The crowd couldn't hear the commentary. By the last round, their chants changed from Machida to Shogun. They thought he was winning too.

The crowd boos every fight that isn't a bloodbath.  You've been to live fights too.  When the fight is this even all you can see is who is moving forward.  Machida had done just as much damage as Rua did in the end, the only difference was in style.

You think so? Silva would play that game for a round or two, but would then start going for a knockout - which he would get.

Not against Machida he wouldn't.  He has already said more than a few times he won't even fight the guy.  If they were forced to fight I'm betting Silva would take it to the ground immediately.

[Ginsu Victim]

I did say it was close. I just felt that Rua had done enough to get the W.

I don't pay attention to the commentary because wrestling taught me to ignore it.

How the hell is a dive off a turnbuckle to the floor 15 ft? How is the top of the cage 60 ft?!?

STONE COLD! STONE COLD! STONE COLD!

 

[CCM]

I've watched that fight 3 times now, and I think it was extremely close, but I do believe that Machida won.  

I have to agree that Joe Rogan is terrible lately at his commentary.  There was one flurry in particular, I think in the 4th round, where he said great right hand by Rua, and something about a high-kick by Rua, but when you actually watch the replay, the right hand flat-out missed and the high-kick was blocked.

I'm more disappointed about Lesnar pulling out of 106 and Alves pulling out of 107.

[Ginsu Victim]

Lesnar pulled out? Man, I wanted to see that fight.

[CCM]

Lesnar pulled out? Man, I wanted to see that fight.

Yea, the report is that he has been extremely sick for over 3 weeks and hasn't been able to train properly.  I believe the fight will be moved to 108 on Jan. 2nd.

And Alves was set for a rematch with Fitch on 107 and Alves screwed up his knee.

[ChadTower]

How the hell is a dive off a turnbuckle to the floor 15 ft? How is the top of the cage 60 ft?!?

If you stand next to an assembled ring the top buckle is like 9-10' high.  Some are higher.  It's not that much of an exaggeration. 

Now, 60'...    The top of that Hell in a Cell cage is pretty freakin high when you see it in person but it's nothing like 60' for sure.     It looked like half that.

[Ginsu Victim]

If you stand next to an assembled ring the top buckle is like 9-10' high.  Some are higher.  It's not that much of an exaggeration. 

Yeah, I know it's not much of one, but it's still them overselling everything.

Don't get me started on the supposed weight and height of certain guys...

[CCM]

Lesnar pulled out? Man, I wanted to see that fight.

Yea, the report is that he has been extremely sick for over 3 weeks and hasn't been able to train properly.  I believe the fight will be moved to 108 on Jan. 2nd.

And Alves was set for a rematch with Fitch on 107 and Alves screwed up his knee.

Ugh.... now Lesnar is out of 108 with mono.  Who knows if we'll ever see him fight Carwin at this point.

[ChadTower]

Ugh.... now Lesnar is out of 108 with mono.  Who knows if we'll ever see him fight Carwin at this point.

Yeah.  I don't understand how a sitting champion can be out that many events without forfeiting the title.  Now we get how many straight events without a heavyweight title fight?  Last one was UFC 100 - now we're at least to UFC 108 and probably like UFC 111.

[CCM]

The UFC is screwed for 108.  They usually like to make the New Year's show one of the biggest of the year and there will be no title fights on that card:

Lesnar - mono
Machida - hand surgery
Silva - elbow surgey
GSP - just started training again after groin surgery
Penn - fighting at 107

[Ginsu Victim]

Ever check out www.totallylookslike.com?

Two I submitted:

[chopps]

Yeah.  I don't understand how a sitting champion can be out that many events without forfeiting the title.  Now we get how many straight events without a heavyweight title fight?  Last one was UFC 100 - now we're at least to UFC 108 and probably like UFC 111.

How long did Randy Couture sit out without being stripped of the title? 2 years?  Yeah they had the "interm title" but as soon as Randy re-signed with UFC he was billed as the heavyweight champion...  I guess UFC doesnt have the old pro wrestling 30day clause... 

[ChadTower]

Am I the only one who thought the Griffin-Ortiz fight was fishy?  You've got a guy in there known specifically for pushing the pace and fighting mostly on the ground and the first two rounds are split.  We're supposed to buy that he spends the whole third round standing in front of Griffin without any effort to take it to the ground and throwing only 4 or so punches?  He had tons of energy left - that third round was so out of character for Tito Ortiz I half wonder if that dude was actually some imposter.

[shardian]

Am I the only one who thought the Griffin-Ortiz fight was fishy?  You've got a guy in there known specifically for pushing the pace and fighting mostly on the ground and the first two rounds are split.  We're supposed to buy that he spends the whole third round standing in front of Griffin without any effort to take it to the ground and throwing only 4 or so punches?  He had tons of energy left - that third round was so out of character for Tito Ortiz I half wonder if that dude was actually some imposter.

He said he had a bulged disc and cracked skull going into the fight. I would think the fight would be scrapped for a cracked skull, but he might be telling the truth on the disc thing. He probably needs the money badly, and fought through it.

[ChadTower]

He said he had a bulged disc and cracked skull going into the fight.

Prior to the fight he did about 100 interviews saying his back is 100% and healthier than it has been in years.  Can't be both, right?

[shardian]

He said he had a bulged disc and cracked skull going into the fight.

Prior to the fight he did about 100 interviews saying his back is 100% and healthier than it has been in years.  Can't be both, right?

Would you rather him say "My back hurts like hell and the fight is gonna suck balls" ? Yeah, that would sell PPV buys and earn him another PPV fight...

[ChadTower]

Would you rather him say "My back hurts like hell and the fight is gonna suck balls" ? Yeah, that would sell PPV buys and earn him another PPV fight...

I'd rather them not book him if he can't fight.  That's not so much my point, though.  The guy didn't try anything in the third round other than standing there and letting Griffin spar on his head.  That totally stinks of "leave it to the judges so Griffin can get his payback".  A wrestler who isn't afraid of a knockout takes things to the ground.  That's what they do.  A wrestler tired of getting leg kicked who isn't afraid of a knockout should be chasing him like Tom and Jerry.

OTOH, for a dude who is only interested in standing and banging, is there anyone in any division with less KO power than Forrest Griffin?  

[Epyx]

In 105, I was hoping my local boy Denis Kang and fellow co-worker could have taught Bisping "Mr. Arrogance" a thing or two but ended up getting his own arse kicked

[ChadTower]

I think Dan Henderson taught Bisping all he'll ever need to know.   

[Epyx]

  LOL aye...that he did.

[CCM]

He said he had a bulged disc and cracked skull going into the fight.

Prior to the fight he did about 100 interviews saying his back is 100% and healthier than it has been in years.  Can't be both, right?

Would you rather him say "My back hurts like hell and the fight is gonna suck balls" ? Yeah, that would sell PPV buys and earn him another PPV fight...

Does this surprise you about Tito... that is his M.O...  lose the fight and make endless excuses.   I would have been fine if he said he was gassed, had ring-rust, etc...  but to claim you had a cracked skull....

[CCM]

OTOH, for a dude who is only interested in standing and banging, is there anyone in any division with less KO power than Forrest Griffin?  

No kidding!  In his 17 wins, Forrest has only 1 ko and 2 tko's (one of which was stopped due to a cut), the rest submissions or decisions..

[ChadTower]

Does this surprise you about Tito... that is his M.O...  lose the fight and make endless excuses.   I would have been fine if he said he was gassed, had ring-rust, etc...  but to claim you had a cracked skull....

I wonder if he makes those excuses with his wife... she's more pro than he ever was...