Author Topic: UFC 100 predictions (Read 13047 times)

CCM · « **on:** July 02, 2009, 11:43:57 am »

With UFC 100 being a week away, what are everyone's thoughts?

Here are my picks:

Mir over Lesnar by submission
GSP over Alves by decision
Fitch over Thiago by KO/TKO
Henderson over Bisbing by KO/TKO

lordtodd75 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 02, 2009, 11:47:45 am »

Mir over Lesnar by decision- this is mostly based on hope, lesnar will probably win.
GSP over Alves by 2nd round destruction
Fitch over Thiago KO
Henderson over Bisping by decision

Malenko · « **Reply #2 on:** July 02, 2009, 11:53:41 am »

Quote from: lordtodd75 on July 02, 2009, 11:47:45 am

Mir over Lesnar by decision- this is mostly based on hope, lesnar will probably win.
GSP over Alves by 2nd round destruction
Fitch over Thiago KO
Henderson over Bisping by decision

exactly the same. Its bad when I want Lesnar to lose just because hes not a good fighter, hes just HUGE. doesnt that defeat the point of weight limits?

ChadTower · « **Reply #3 on:** July 02, 2009, 11:57:25 am »

That confused me for a minute. Too many Thiagos.

Henderson over Bisping by stoppage
Thiago over Fitch by submission
GSP over Alves by stoppage
Lesnar over Mir by murder

BTW, Lesnar is only like 10lb heavier than Mir. It's not so much his raw size that is the problem. It's that the guy moves like a middleweight.

CCM · « **Reply #4 on:** July 02, 2009, 12:00:38 pm »

I have the least confidence in my pick of Mir over Lesnar, but I just don't like Lesnar and just really want him to loose.

Most of what I read people are picking Lesnar to KO Mir saying the Lesnar will be more prepared this time, better submission defense, more experience, etc... That sort of confuses me, do they think Mir has been sitting around drinking beer and eating donuts? I think Mir will be better prepared to deal with the strength of Lesnar having seen it first hand. And we still really haven't seen Lesnar take a good shot to the face, I'm curious to see how he handles that.

After all of that being said, I can still see Mir getting KO'd, but I really don't want that to happen...

CCM · « **Reply #5 on:** July 02, 2009, 12:02:45 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 02, 2009, 11:57:25 am

BTW, Lesnar is only like 10lb heavier than Mir. It's not so much his raw size that is the problem. It's that the guy moves like a middleweight.

He's 10lbs heavier at the weigh-in, Lesnar has to cut weight to get down to 265, Mir is always around 255. By fight time, Lesnar is probably closer to 280 and Mir is still 255ish.

ChadTower · « **Reply #6 on:** July 02, 2009, 12:05:55 pm »

Quote from: CCM on July 02, 2009, 12:00:38 pm

And we still really haven't seen Lesnar take a good shot to the face, I'm curious to see how he handles that.

We did see Lesnar moonsault off the top rope at Wrestlemania, eff it up landing right on his face, and still get up. Granted, no one hit him 5-6 times after that, but we at least know one dramatic shot to the face isn't going to put him out. That fall would have killed most people.

If he were facing a world class striker we could probably say that's irrelvant. Mir is not a world class striker.

Tim Sylvia used to cut to get to weight too. Difference is that he was a telephone pole. Being huge doesn't help much if you're a static target.

CCM · « **Reply #7 on:** July 02, 2009, 12:18:34 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 02, 2009, 12:05:55 pm

We did see Lesnar moonsault off the top rope at Wrestlemania, eff it up landing right on his face, and still get up. Granted, no one hit him 5-6 times after that, but we at least know one dramatic shot to the face isn't going to put him out. That fall would have killed most people.

If he were facing a world class striker we could probably say that's irrelvant. Mir is not a world class striker.

ugh... I'm not getting into a pro-wrestling/MMA debate... I didn't see Lesnar in wrestlemania, so I have no idea what it looked like. All I am saying is that we haven't seen him get hit hard in the face ... in MMA... Where like you say, he can get hit 5 or 6 more times before he regains his senses... And I wouldn't discount Mir's striking too much...

Quote from: ChadTower on July 02, 2009, 12:05:55 pm

Tim Sylvia used to cut to get to weight too. Difference is that he was a telephone pole. Being huge doesn't help much if you're a static target.

That's not the point, you pointed out that Lesnar is only 10lbs heavier than Mir, which by fight time simply isn't true.

ChadTower · « **Reply #8 on:** July 02, 2009, 12:42:14 pm »

Quote from: CCM on July 02, 2009, 12:18:34 pm

That's not the point, you pointed out that Lesnar is only 10lbs heavier than Mir, which by fight time simply isn't true.

It's not a black/white issue like that. I can also say Mir doesn't have to cut 20lb to make weight so he's the fresher man at fight time.

CCM · « **Reply #9 on:** July 02, 2009, 12:44:54 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 02, 2009, 12:42:14 pm

Quote from: CCM on July 02, 2009, 12:18:34 pm
That's not the point, you pointed out that Lesnar is only 10lbs heavier than Mir, which by fight time simply isn't true.

It's not a black/white issue like that. I can also say Mir doesn't have to cut 20lb to make weight so he's the fresher man at fight time.

jesus... I was just pointing out that by fight time Lesnar is closer to 25lbs heavier than Mir, not 10lbs... I said nothing about how that effects the fight...

ChadTower · « **Reply #10 on:** July 02, 2009, 12:49:53 pm »

Quote from: CCM on July 02, 2009, 12:44:54 pm

jesus... I was just pointing out that by fight time Lesnar is closer to 25lbs heavier than Mir, not 10lbs... I said nothing about how that effects the fight...

So what is your point? What does being heavier mean if you're not saying it affects the fight?

CCM · « **Reply #11 on:** July 02, 2009, 12:52:54 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 02, 2009, 12:49:53 pm

Quote from: CCM on July 02, 2009, 12:44:54 pm
jesus... I was just pointing out that by fight time Lesnar is closer to 25lbs heavier than Mir, not 10lbs... I said nothing about how that effects the fight...

So what is your point? What does being heavier mean if you're not saying it affects the fight?

My point is you were wrong....

ChadTower · « **Reply #12 on:** July 02, 2009, 01:20:28 pm »

Quote from: CCM on July 02, 2009, 12:52:54 pm

My point is you were wrong....

Official weight is calculated at the weigh in.

I'm sure if you ran up to the man with a scale he'd be more than happy to step on it for you on his way to the ring.

And since your position is that the weight doesn't matter... then the point doesn't matter... yes?

CCM · « **Reply #13 on:** July 02, 2009, 01:39:28 pm »

I would love to see the fighters weighed again right before the fight. It amazes me how much weight they put back on in 24 hours...

Malenko · « **Reply #14 on:** July 02, 2009, 01:48:17 pm »

theres about 15lbs between the 2, and if you think 15lbs of muscle doesnt matter, your a ---smurfing--- moron.

they look identical, like its a brock and a mirror. /sarcasm

ChadTower · « **Reply #15 on:** July 02, 2009, 01:53:51 pm »

Quote from: Malenko on July 02, 2009, 01:48:17 pm

theres about 15lbs between the 2, and if you think 15lbs of muscle doesnt matter, your a ---smurfing--- moron.

they look identical, like its a brock and a mirror. /sarcasm

Of course, you could easily say the difference isn't Lesnar's 15lb of muscle... it's Mir's 20lb of fat. Mir isn't anywhere near a 255lb frame.

I stand by the opinion that it's not his size it's his movement. Bob Sapp fights at 325lb of raw muscle and Mir wouldn't even break a sweat taking that guy's arm off.

RayB · « **Reply #16 on:** July 02, 2009, 02:14:19 pm »

Quote from: CCM on July 02, 2009, 11:43:57 am

With UFC 100 being a week away, what are everyone's thoughts?

Mine:
Guys everywhere will pay too much to watch guy on guy homo-erotic action.

Malenko · « **Reply #17 on:** July 02, 2009, 04:32:21 pm »

Quote from: RayB on July 02, 2009, 02:14:19 pm

Quote from: CCM on July 02, 2009, 11:43:57 am
With UFC 100 being a week away, what are everyone's thoughts?
Mine:
Guys everywhere will pay too much to watch guy on guy homo-erotic action.

thats the ~~WWF~~ WWE, this is more like guy on guy slightly less homo-erotic action.

ChadTower · « **Reply #18 on:** July 02, 2009, 05:21:32 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on July 02, 2009, 05:09:37 pm

I predict a bunch of guys that have never been in a fight in their lives are going to be armchair experts about the intricacies of MMA.

Well, we all know what jim is an expert in being.

Ginsu Victim · « **Reply #19 on:** July 02, 2009, 05:46:18 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on July 02, 2009, 05:09:37 pm

I predict a bunch of guys that have never been in a fight in their lives are going to be armchair experts about the intricacies of MMA.

Big difference in a street fight and an MMA fight.

CCM · « **Reply #20 on:** July 02, 2009, 06:47:28 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on July 02, 2009, 05:09:37 pm

I predict a bunch of guys that have never been in a fight in their lives are going to be armchair experts about the intricacies of MMA.

So no one should predict or comment on any sport unless they have played it professionally?

hypernova · « **Reply #21 on:** July 02, 2009, 11:18:02 pm »

I predict a lot of hugging and man-on-man straddling action going on.

Awwwwwww yeah!

Chadwick · « **Reply #22 on:** July 09, 2009, 02:06:06 pm »

I predict Dana White will swear at some point.

ChadTower · « **Reply #23 on:** July 12, 2009, 03:33:33 pm »

Holy crap anyone have any question about GSP, Lesnar, or Henderson now?

shardian · « **Reply #24 on:** July 12, 2009, 05:11:35 pm »

Sweet. Thanks ESPN for showing me the condensed Lesner fight for free this morning.

That was disrespectful of Mir to try and knee bar Lesner again right off the bat. He got his what was coming to him.

ChadTower · « **Reply #25 on:** July 12, 2009, 06:12:28 pm »

Quote from: shardian on July 12, 2009, 05:11:35 pm

That was disrespectful of Mir to try and knee bar Lesner again right off the bat. He got his what was coming to him.

Sarcasm?

Gotta hand it to Mir for being all class. All class at the same moment Lesnar was giving the crowd two middle fingers.

JeepMonkey · « **Reply #26 on:** July 13, 2009, 08:09:31 am »

I was shocked at the results of the Akiyama vs Belcher fight.

I know nothing about Akiyama, but they were saying that he was a very good fighter, maybe elite. So I was a bit surprised thast he didn't look better than he did.

IMO, Belcher won that fight. Now when you leave it to the judges, well sometimes crap happens. But come on, one judge scored the fight 30-27 Akiyama.

Am I the only one that thinks Belcher got robbed?

shardian · « **Reply #27 on:** July 13, 2009, 08:20:50 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 12, 2009, 06:12:28 pm

Quote from: shardian on July 12, 2009, 05:11:35 pm
That was disrespectful of Mir to try and knee bar Lesner again right off the bat. He got his what was coming to him.

Sarcasm?

Gotta hand it to Mir for being all class. All class at the same moment Lesnar was giving the crowd two middle fingers.

Oh it has nothing to do with traditional 'respect' like you and I would show. It has to do with the fact that you don't go and intentionally piss off a grizzly bear.

I loved Lesnar's quote after the match:

Quote

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his a--," Lesnar said. "I told him that a year ago. I pulled the sum b---- out and beat him over the head with it."

ChadTower · « **Reply #28 on:** July 13, 2009, 09:56:19 am »

Quote from: shardian on July 13, 2009, 08:20:50 am

Oh it has nothing to do with traditional 'respect' like you and I would show. It has to do with the fact that you don't go and intentionally piss off a grizzly bear.

Meh. It makes sense from some points of view to test him immediately and see what he has learned. Plus if the sub is there you take it - may not get another one and he didn't.

Quote

I loved Lesnar's quote after the match:
Quote
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his a--," Lesnar said. "I told him that a year ago. I pulled the sum b---- out and beat him over the head with it."

Too bad he used it in every single prefight interview too. The quotes from the post fight press conference were better about Dana White finding him for a "whip the dog session" and making it clear he was not to flip off fans or badmouth sponsors ever. The UFC did ask him to bring a little showmanship from WWE. Guess they didn't anticipate the automatic pro wrestler's reaction to being booed is to further antagonize the fans.

That is one thing I don't get. The fans were booing him hard before he turned back on them. What exactly did he do wrong in that fight to get booed so hard? If they wanted a more exciting fight maybe they should have been booing Mir.

mr.Curmudgeon · « **Reply #29 on:** July 13, 2009, 04:56:28 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 13, 2009, 09:56:19 am

The UFC did ask him to bring a little showmanship from WWE.

And thus the downslide of UFC continues...

ChadTower · « **Reply #30 on:** July 13, 2009, 05:00:34 pm »

I actually agree with that so long as he keeps it within the social boundaries of MMA (which he failed to do saturday). It has gotten to the point where every interview is exactly the same, every post fight interview is the same, and really there is no reason to watch anything other than the fights. Since pro wrestling is all about everything but the fights it would be good marketing to grab a little of that from an expert.

hypernova · « **Reply #31 on:** July 13, 2009, 06:15:03 pm »

Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on July 13, 2009, 04:56:28 pm

Quote from: ChadTower on July 13, 2009, 09:56:19 am
The UFC did ask him to bring a little showmanship from WWE.

And thus the downslide of UFC continues...

That would be funny if it devolved into another WWF-type soap opera for men.

mr.Curmudgeon · « **Reply #32 on:** July 14, 2009, 09:32:25 am »

I've never been a devoted fan of UFC (or any sport, really), but I've been watching it on and off since the very first year it came out...and I get a little more nervous every year, as the fighters become more like "characters", with the crazy hair-styles, and the intro music for each of them gets more and more elaborate.

I know the promoters are into making heaps of cash, and unfortunately, turning UFC into the WWF/WWE is probably the best way for them to make the money.

Quote from: hypernova on July 13, 2009, 06:15:03 pm

That would be funny if it devolved into another WWF-type soap opera for men.

The Ultimate Fighter Show is doing just that...it's providing drama and backstory for these fighters now, before they even fight. Just look at the rivalry it created between Henderson and Bisbing.

ChadTower · « **Reply #33 on:** July 14, 2009, 10:04:16 am »

Heh, that wasn't much of a rivalry. Bisping acted like a ---meecrob--- to the wrong guy and got his head knocked in for it.

shardian · « **Reply #34 on:** July 14, 2009, 10:19:28 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 14, 2009, 10:04:16 am

Heh, that wasn't much of a rivalry. Bisping acted like a ---meecrob--- to the wrong guy and got his head knocked in for it.

That followup punch on the ground was BRUTAL...and completely unnecessary. Crap like that is why mainstream has trouble accepting this as a sport. That punch/elbow drop was far more 'bully-ish' than any taunting Lesnar did.

ChadTower · « **Reply #35 on:** July 14, 2009, 10:23:23 am »

Quote from: shardian on July 14, 2009, 10:19:28 am

That followup punch on the ground was BRUTAL...and completely unnecessary. Crap like that is why mainstream has trouble accepting this as a sport. That punch/elbow drop was far more 'bully-ish' than any taunting Lesnar did.

Blame that on the ref, not on Henderson. They train to fight until the ref pulls them away. The ref wasn't there yet when Henderson wound up for that second shot. How many times have you seen a guy think he knocked an opponent out only to miss the opportunity to finish him off by hesitating? That concept applies to any sport, really. Play until you hear the whistle no matter what you think you see.

Ginsu Victim · « **Reply #36 on:** July 14, 2009, 11:33:05 pm »

Quote from: shardian on July 14, 2009, 10:19:28 am

Quote from: ChadTower on July 14, 2009, 10:04:16 am

Heh, that wasn't much of a rivalry. Bisping acted like a ---meecrob--- to the wrong guy and got his head knocked in for it.

That followup punch on the ground was BRUTAL...and completely unnecessary. Crap like that is why mainstream has trouble accepting this as a sport. That punch/elbow drop was far more 'bully-ish' than any taunting Lesnar did.

Watching the replay, you see that Hendo went into automatic-follow-up-attack mode. Like Chad said, the ref hadn't stepped in yet, nor was there even time. Hell, just be glad it wasn't Pride rules....

shardian · « **Reply #37 on:** July 15, 2009, 08:08:22 am »

Quote from: Ginsu Victim on July 14, 2009, 11:33:05 pm

Watching the replay, you see that Hendo went into automatic-follow-up-attack mode. Like Chad said, the ref hadn't stepped in yet, nor was there even time. Hell, just be glad it wasn't Pride rules....

I agree that the ref was out of position for a quick stop. I'll give him a pass...but I still say he knew it was over and was going for one last pot shot. He didn't even go for proper position - just dove to drop the hammer.

ChadTower · « **Reply #38 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:08:53 am »

That's how Henderson fights when he has decided to knock someone out. Note that he didn't use his Olympic level wrestling at all.

Ginsu Victim · « **Reply #39 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:59:52 am »

All I know is....that was one hell of a brutal knockout.....and I loved it. Bisping is a mouthy punk. (And it IS fighting, after all.)


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