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now that's a car
« on: August 02, 2007, 03:37:11 pm »

Not a car guy at all but that's kind of cool.  A couple miles from my house.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2007, 03:50:58 pm »
This is a car!!  ;D

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2007, 09:20:05 pm »
No, I think you'll find that THIS is a car!




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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2007, 09:29:46 pm »
This is a knife

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2007, 10:23:04 pm »
This too is a car.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2007, 11:16:00 pm »
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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2007, 12:08:07 am »
I'll take those bucket seats in that charger and screaming hemi motor over anything that thing can do. When you drive that hemi you feel it rumblin down the road. You can't beat that feeling in a car.

It's not mine but i had one similar.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2007, 01:11:07 am »
I'll take those bucket seats in that charger and screaming hemi motor over anything that thing can do. When you drive that hemi you feel it rumblin down the road. You can't beat that feeling in a car.

It's not mine but i had one similar.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2007, 03:53:34 am »
When you drive that hemi you feel it rumblin down the road. You can't beat that feeling in a car.
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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2007, 04:25:47 am »
I'll take those bucket seats in that charger and screaming hemi motor over anything that thing can do. When you drive that hemi you feel it rumblin down the road. You can't beat that feeling in a car.

It's not mine but i had one similar.

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There is no comparison. The Bentley does not rumble down the road in muscle car fashion and it's not meant to. The Bentley is a luxury car. That's why i prefer the hemi.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2007, 08:09:53 am »
I'm with Tommy there. I have an '86 TransAm with a highly modified Chevy small block, and there's just no feeling like it. A fast luxury car with a smooth ride is nice, but not the same. Here's my baby:

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2007, 08:39:32 am »
Having read that listing, RUN!!!! That thing is a disaster waiting to happen and on top of that, it is ugly as hell!

My father-in-law has a mid-eighties Corvette that is a blast to drive. It is low, loud, cramped, uncomfortable as hell, extremely bumpy ride...and it is AWESOME!! I know corvette afficionados don't like the 80's Vettes, but IMO they are still good looking cars, and most importantly aside from the body style, it is still a Corvette underneath the body.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2007, 10:09:11 am »
The 80's were a TERRIBLE decade for American automobiles.  ALMOST as bad as 1973-1979.  So basically 1973-1989 sucked...1990-2007 has been pretty ---smurfy--- as well.  Bottom line is that TRUE MUSCLE CARS died in 1972...the year I was born.   ---daisies---.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2007, 10:12:40 am »

I'm trying to figure out how that car has a million miles on it.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2007, 11:27:43 am »
The 80's were a TERRIBLE decade for American automobiles.  ALMOST as bad as 1973-1979.  So basically 1973-1989 sucked...1990-2007 has been pretty ---smurfy--- as well.  Bottom line is that TRUE MUSCLE CARS died in 1972...the year I was born.   ---daisies---.


Which is why my favorite muscle car is the original muscle car, the GTO.  The new GTO's are pretty nice too   ;D  (known as Holden Monaro's to the Aussie's)

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2007, 02:21:31 pm »

I'm trying to figure out how that car has a million miles on it.

He probably screwed with the odometer. They have an anti-tamper device on them...

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2007, 01:12:48 am »
The 80's were a TERRIBLE decade for American automobiles.  ALMOST as bad as 1973-1979.  So basically 1973-1989 sucked...1990-2007 has been pretty ---smurfy--- as well.  Bottom line is that TRUE MUSCLE CARS died in 1972...the year I was born.   ---daisies---.


Which is why my favorite muscle car is the original muscle car, the GTO.  The new GTO's are pretty nice too   ;D  (known as Holden Monaro's to the Aussie's)

well, we did make em (",) . interestingly, in the UK it was still called a monaro from Vauxhall. its some sort of aboriginal word (probably meaning stick that go boom or summink  ;D)


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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2007, 01:21:45 am »
Here's a nice little car :P
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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2007, 02:22:54 am »
Which is why my favorite muscle car is the original muscle car, the GTO.  The new GTO's are pretty nice too   ;D  (known as Holden Monaro's to the Aussie's)

well, we did make em (",) . interestingly, in the UK it was still called a monaro from Vauxhall. its some sort of aboriginal word (probably meaning stick that go boom or summink  ;D)
Ya, Holden actually has a bunch of cool designs, I'm just glad one of them finally made it to the states.  There were rumors of them bringing the Ute over and calling it the new El Camino, which would of been cool, but it never happened.  The new camero is actually based on a Holden design too, but instead of shipping them over from Aus. like the GTO, they're going to make them in Canada.

edit* just thought I'd mention that the only reason they brought the Monaro to US is because it was the 40th anniversary of the GTO and the new president of Pontiac wanted to bring the GTO back.  They didn't have a decent local platform to do it on (they were all 6 cyl or front wheel drive) and didn't have the time or resources to develop a new one, so they shipped one over from Australia.  Thats the reason they changed the name to GTO, it wouldn't of come to America at all if it wasn't for the name.
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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2007, 01:51:42 am »
It's a shame that they styled it like a Cavalier/Grand Am.  Great drivetrain but the styling was about 8 years old upon introduction.  Imagine what the GTO could have been if they actually did more than "badge engineering".

It is a great car for the money, especially since the dealers can't give them away.  I've heard stories of close to $10k off of sticker to move them.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2007, 03:08:29 am »
It's a shame that they styled it like a Cavalier/Grand Am.  Great drivetrain but the styling was about 8 years old upon introduction.  Imagine what the GTO could have been if they actually did more than "badge engineering".
Ya, that does seem to be the most common complaint, that the exterior is fairly bland.  You have to remember though that the original GTO came from a car similar to the Grand Am.  They took the fairly economical Le Mans, put the biggest engine they could into it and renamed it the GTO, so they remained pretty faithful to the namesake by not making it a flashy sports car.  And for a car that is styled "like a Cavalier/Grand Am", I still get a thumbs up or a comment from a random driver or pedestrian on a weekly basis (or both in the case of last week, a guy on the freeway giving me a thumbs up and then yelling he wants one too).

But your right about it not selling well, there was even a manufacturers incentive at one point that was $6000 off msrp (I got mine about $5000 under msrp in late 2004 if your wondering).  If you can find a new one still on the lot (and it wouldn't surprise me if there were still some around), I have no doubt you could easily buy it for $10000 under msrp.  A large part of the problem was a lack of advertising, I think I only ever saw one commercial for it and that was on the Speed channel.  I'm sure the fact that the exterior doesn't catch ones eye hurt it a lot as well, unless you've already been told about the car, you'd have no idea what it was just by looking at it.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2007, 10:54:35 am »
can't compare a MUSCLE (sounds MANLY) and Luxury (sounds gay)....

Here is  a car.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2007, 11:20:05 am »
a luxury car sounds gay?  what???

I agree that there is no sound in the world like a well tuned high displacement engine... but you sound like a 12 year old.

Not to mention there are a TON of really great luxury and sport luxury cars out there that both sound and perform amazingly.  BMW M series, any AMG mercedes, etc etc....
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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2007, 11:35:13 am »
How about the 1001 horsepower, million dollar msrp Bugatti?

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2007, 11:46:33 am »
a luxury car sounds gay?  what???

I agree that there is no sound in the world like a well tuned high displacement engine... but you sound like a 12 year old.

Not to mention there are a TON of really great luxury and sport luxury cars out there that both sound and perform amazingly.  BMW M series, any AMG mercedes, etc etc....
Not to mention that a BMW or Mercedes (or any other "luxury" sports car) will actually go around a corner or bend.
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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2007, 11:47:21 am »
Well supercars go into an entirely different realm IMO.  They all sound great, but are also ridiculously expensive.  That's not to say that the M or AMG cars are cheap by any means, but they are still in the "normal" car realm in my mind.  A big stretch for most people financially, but still on the same planet  :laugh2:

Supercars really do have some of the scariest, nicest, sounds ever created by vehicles though.  McLaren F1, Zonda, Enzo, Veyron, Carrera GT.... it's like a damn shymphony of pistons.   I'm gonna have to go watch some videos of them now.
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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2007, 11:52:25 am »
a luxury car sounds gay?  what???

I agree that there is no sound in the world like a well tuned high displacement engine... but you sound like a 12 year old.

Not to mention there are a TON of really great luxury and sport luxury cars out there that both sound and perform amazingly.  BMW M series, any AMG mercedes, etc etc....
Not to mention that a BMW or Mercedes (or any other "luxury" sports car) will actually go around a corner or bend.

A good point, but a bit of a blanket statement. 

In the muscle car era, I agree... you won't find many of those cars that enjoy curves at all.  However, since I mentioned newer cars, there are plenty of high horsepower sports cars that handle well around a track, and just as many luxury cars that have 500hp but weight 5000lbs and are dogs around a bend.
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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2007, 12:38:06 pm »
These new high horsepower cars are not the rumbling "floating ships" that they are supposed to be. So they would be considered luxury sports cars too.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2007, 04:38:04 pm »
Again, a blanket statement.  Not all high horsepower cars today are luxury sports cars.  And you don't need to be a land yacht to have raw power.  See the Z06.

Or the Mercedes S65 AMG - 600hp, 700+ ft/lb, and most certainly close to a "floating ship" at over 5000 lbs.  Now granted, it's an extreme example... but that is certainly not a sports car in any sense.  But it's high horsepower for sure.
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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2007, 05:39:26 pm »
I'm not saying that they are luxury cars, but more that they (not any car since 1973?) are not the "muscle cars" that were talked about earlier in the thread (and thus that the muscle car lovers will say that they are "luxury cars")

BTW that Merc is a lot more nippy than any muscle car of the 60s or 70s.
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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2007, 08:55:11 pm »
BTW that Merc is a lot more nippy than any muscle car of the 60s or 70s.

well it does have 4 decades of engineering on the muscle cars heh :)
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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2007, 10:33:22 pm »
Just for the record, about the trans-am... anyone who insults the sheer perfection of the third-gen f body surely has a special place in hell.  Third gen cars were and still are impressive in their beauty and performance.  The last great sports car.  On top of that they don't have all these crazy "penis envy" add-ons that shoot the price up to unreasonable levels, making them practical as well.

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« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2007, 10:48:11 pm »
Just for the record, about the trans-am... anyone who insults the sheer perfection of the third-gen f body surely has a special place in hell.  Third gen cars were and still are impressive in their beauty and performance.  The last great sports car.  On top of that they don't have all these crazy "penis envy" add-ons that shoot the price up to unreasonable levels, making them practical as well.

except the one that is in that craigslist ad, which is a certified train wreck
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« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2007, 04:51:51 am »
Indeed no car can beat Kitt. Well maybe Herbie?

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2007, 05:13:03 pm »
Who put that stupid red light on the front of that Koenigsegg CCX?  ;D
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« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2007, 06:26:44 pm »
Just for the record, about the trans-am... anyone who insults the sheer perfection of the third-gen f body surely has a special place in hell.  Third gen cars were and still are impressive in their beauty and performance.  The last great sports car.  On top of that they don't have all these crazy "penis envy" add-ons that shoot the price up to unreasonable levels, making them practical as well.

just don't actually drive it, because it will fall apart. 

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« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2007, 04:00:51 am »
Just for the record, about the trans-am... anyone who insults the sheer perfection of the third-gen f body surely has a special place in hell.  Third gen cars were and still are impressive in their beauty and performance.  The last great sports car.  On top of that they don't have all these crazy "penis envy" add-ons that shoot the price up to unreasonable levels, making them practical as well.

Are you kidding me?  Those are some of the biggest rattle-trap pieces of crap ever.  The chassis was flexible as hell.  Hardly a platform to be used in the high horsepower models that showed up at the end.  And to call it a sports car?  ::)  Puhhhlease.  I'll give you "pony" car hell, I'll even give you muscle car but a sports car it was not.  A sports car needs to have a real suspension that makes it handle.  Those things counted completely on the grip of their wide-ass tires.  It was a straight-line muscle car in the vein of the 70's.  NOT a sports car.

When originally introduced the styling was fresh but as with most of those Mullet-Mobiles the styling updates consisted of slapping on layers upon layers of cheap plastic body cladding and spoilers.  The Trans-Am Firebird GTA got the worst of it.  Tacky and white-trashed as all hell.  Only the Firebird Formula model stayed clean bodywise.  They don't have "penis envy" add-ons?  The entire car screams "I AM UNDER ENDOWED"!!!

Towards the end, the SLP Firehawk(less than 30 built I think) was pretty cool but as with all GM cars, when they finally get it right, nobody cares anymore cause the car's outdated and it gets pulled from production(Fiero, Allante anyone?).

Want an example of how weak those things are?  A dear friend of mine was driving a 1988 Camaro RS with T-tops.  She slid off the road at approx 30mph(according to police and a witness) and hit a tree dead-center sideways.  The ENTIRE CAR BROKE IN HALF.  She was killed instantly.

Rattle trap garbage and a perennial favorite of the trailer trash.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2007, 04:36:21 am »
Maybe that's a LITTLE harsh.  Call them what they are though.  They are poorly built American "pony" cars.  Cars like this are what lead to the Japanese import scene completely taking over the youth Hot Rodding culture.  Tacky relics from the past. Can they be fun? Of course, ANYTHING with a V8 and RWD is pretty much sure to be some sort of fun.

They didn't even really get fast until the later years.  I had an '86 Shelby Turbo Dodge Omni(GLH-S) back in 1990 and I could smoke those bloated F-Bodies all day long.

In 1986 a Shelby Omni had a 2.2(135cid) 4cyl turbo putting out 175hp. GM's 5.0(305cid) put out 190hp in a car that weighed about 1000 pound more(!).

Nothing was more pleasurable than smoking a "sports car" in a 4-Door "grocery getter".

Good times.

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2007, 08:27:50 am »
You wouldn't be smoking me. Just a few weeks ago I surprised the hell out out of a ricer Lancer Evo "turbo" - whoop de freakin do... That turbo didn't help him any. He did try though... And with a few body\suspension modifications, my TA is tight - no rattles, and corners better than a Vette. With a couple of mods, my TA is a sports car - you must have went up against the guys who had a engine problems, or maybe weren't even racing you?

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Re: now that's a car
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2007, 08:37:40 am »
A Mitsubishi lancer Evo has a 0-60 time of between 4 and 5 seconds. A Trans Am does 0-60 in over 7 seconds? You either have a seriously upgraded Trans Am, or the Evo wasn't an Evo (or the Evo wasn't trying)

I had an Audi TT. Not really a fast car by todays standards, but even in that I never had any problems with the muscle cars I came up against.
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