Author Topic: had my first taste of n64 (Read 19472 times)

tommy · « **Reply #40 on:** July 10, 2007, 03:18:23 pm »

Those games you mention were great, they were fun and only because they played so well they might have made players overlook the Blurr that was the graphics. I still don't think they were ready to go 3d at the time they did but that's just my opinion though.

shardian · « **Reply #41 on:** July 10, 2007, 03:28:08 pm »

Quote from: tommy on July 10, 2007, 03:18:23 pm

Those games you mention were great, they were fun and only because they played so well they might have made players overlook the Blurr that was the graphics. I still don't think they were ready to go 3d at the time they did but that's just my opinion though.

N64 was very capable of 3d. I am not sure what you are basing your opinions on here, but 3d on N64 looked very good when done right. WTF do you want man, 1080P back before HD even existed? Some N64 games compare in 3d to xbox and ps2 3d games.

tommy · « **Reply #42 on:** July 10, 2007, 03:39:35 pm »

I'm talking about clarity, How can you go from blurry snes games (they couldn't even make 2d games look good at that time) to jumping so far ahead to try to make 3d models? How about you make 2d models look detailed and then attempt to make 3d models.

Imagine if the N64 was 2d as the snes but with double the processing and graphics power, it would have been great instead of a blocky square fest of pixels attempt at a 3d console.

shardian · « **Reply #43 on:** July 10, 2007, 03:42:36 pm »

Quote from: tommy on July 10, 2007, 03:39:35 pm

I'm talking about clarity, How can you go from blurry snes games (they couldn't even make 2d games look good at that time) to jumping so far ahead to try to make 3d models? How about you make 2d models look detailed and then attempt to make 3d models.

Imagine if the N64 was 2d as the snes but with double the processing and graphics power, it would have been great instead of a blocky square fest of pixels attempt at a 3d console.

My only conclusion is that you have never owned a N64 and are talking out of your rear.

ChadTower · « **Reply #44 on:** July 10, 2007, 03:45:04 pm »

Erm, if the N64 were catered to 2D and sprite based graphics it would have been an entirely different piece of hardware. The N64 was very specifically designed to be a 3D engine. That's why there were few 2D N64 games and almost all of those were 3D on a single plane rather than sprite based.

The N64 didn't have a sprite engine to speak of, that's why games like NHL came across really stupidly. They weren't suited to the architecture of the platform.

tommy · « **Reply #45 on:** July 10, 2007, 03:47:37 pm »

You guys are missing the point so i'll just bow out here.

ChadTower · « **Reply #46 on:** July 10, 2007, 03:49:53 pm »

So far, what I understand to be your point, is that the N64 isn't what you wanted it to be. Fair?

tommy · « **Reply #47 on:** July 10, 2007, 03:53:48 pm »

I guess what i'm saying is that the 2d games on the gamecube could have looked as well on the N64 if they went that way with it. That game viewtifull joe is a good example.

ChadTower · « **Reply #48 on:** July 10, 2007, 03:55:41 pm »

But what we're telling you is that wasn't possible. The N64 couldn't pull that off as it wasn't designed to do 2D. The N64 was not an all purpose computing machine, it was very specialized to do what Mario 64 did.

tommy · « **Reply #49 on:** July 10, 2007, 03:59:43 pm »

I know it was not made for that but if they set out to make it a detailed 2d console it would have been that and better than a weak 3d console.

I'm talking before the fact and you're taking after the fact.

Nevermind.

shardian · « **Reply #50 on:** July 10, 2007, 04:01:46 pm »

Nobody wanted a 2d system at that point in time. 3D was taking off HUGE in arcades and Nintendo wanted to cash in on the home market.

Personally I am surprised the N64 was as good as it turned out. Most games back then, it didn't matter how ---smurfy--- the game play was, as long as it was 3d...oh wait, that's still how it is with the current gen.

ChadTower · « **Reply #51 on:** July 10, 2007, 04:09:58 pm »

So tommy is saying "it would have been cool if they built something else."

hypernova · « **Reply #52 on:** July 10, 2007, 05:54:12 pm »

No...I'm pretty sure he's saying hindsight is 20/20. Or in his case 20/300. Because his views are waaaaaaaay off.

Many of those games were perfect.

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You can't say the weak 3d blocky graphics were good enough even for that time.

Compared to what? The only other major console available was the PS, and the only real difference between the consoles was the media storage capacity. I look at FF7's block arms and shudder everytime, but I love the game.

3D had to start somewhere on consoles. It wasn't going to be the smoothest, prettiest transition. (And we still aren't there. Graphics can get even smoother.) N64 entered the 3D world at just the right time, I think. Some stellar games on that system. Playing Perfect Dark again right now on Project64 with my adaptoid. Takes me back...

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #53 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:23:12 pm »

The only other 3d console at the time was the ps1, which had HORRIBLE graphics. Unfortunately the ps1 still out-sold it because it had FMV (ooo video, that really adds to a crappy game!) and the games were about 10-15 bucks cheaper. The ONLY limitation of the n64 at the time was texture size, not because of the hardware (which could handle about anything at ntsc resolution) but the cart format.

Bar, none, without question, the n64 had the best graphics at the time. Don't believe me? Pick any n64 game, look at the year, and then pick a similar ps1 game from that year. It'll look horrible in comparison (although it might have more levels or some fancy videos). Oh and remember that emulators can add fancy blending filters to the 3d on the ps1, so turn those off.

danny_galaga · « **Reply #54 on:** July 11, 2007, 03:03:27 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 10, 2007, 09:40:40 am

It's pretty good but I wouldn't pay much more than $15 for it now, and that's for a good copy. I think there's a lot of novelty and prestige to the game. You should definitely play through it but wait for a reasonable price. At least it's one of those games that you can play with a crappy controller if necessary.

yeah, ill definitely have to be patient. i see a US (ntsc) one at $5 right now. very reasonable. then i watched an aussie one (pal) get passed in- it had a $110 'buy it now' ! WTF?

well, im checking my po box 2 or 3 times a day for that first cart to come. i feel like a kid again! funny, because there are no definite memories of the n64 as i was already busy earning a living...

tommy · « **Reply #55 on:** July 11, 2007, 05:59:55 am »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on July 10, 2007, 10:23:12 pm

The only other 3d console at the time was the ps1, which had HORRIBLE graphics. Unfortunately the ps1 still out-sold it because it had FMV (ooo video, that really adds to a crappy game!) and the games were about 10-15 bucks cheaper. The ONLY limitation of the n64 at the time was texture size, not because of the hardware (which could handle about anything at ntsc resolution) but the cart format.

Bar, none, without question, the n64 had the best graphics at the time. Don't believe me? Pick any n64 game, look at the year, and then pick a similar ps1 game from that year. It'll look horrible in comparison (although it might have more levels or some fancy videos). Oh and remember that emulators can add fancy blending filters to the 3d on the ps1, so turn those off.

I'm not comparing the N64 to the ps1, the ps1 was crap too. That whole generation was not ready to go 3d yet as you can tell by blocky graphics.

shardian · « **Reply #56 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:47:02 am »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on July 10, 2007, 10:23:12 pm

The only other 3d console at the time was the ps1, which had HORRIBLE graphics. Unfortunately the ps1 still out-sold it because it had FMV (ooo video, that really adds to a crappy game!) and the games were about 10-15 bucks cheaper. The ONLY limitation of the n64 at the time was texture size, not because of the hardware (which could handle about anything at ntsc resolution) but the cart format.

Bar, none, without question, the n64 had the best graphics at the time. Don't believe me? Pick any n64 game, look at the year, and then pick a similar ps1 game from that year. It'll look horrible in comparison (although it might have more levels or some fancy videos). Oh and remember that emulators can add fancy blending filters to the 3d on the ps1, so turn those off.

Nintendo was able to port Resident Evil 2 to the N64, which was impressive. The gameplay was identical, but the videos were obviously compressed ALOT. They ran windowed, the sound was tinny, and the video was grainy. Still, it was pretty cool that they made it happen.

So technically, N64 was capable of FMV.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #57 on:** July 11, 2007, 02:43:52 pm »

You mis-understand, of course the n64 was technically capable of fmv video, the problem is there wasn't enough storage on the cart to have them in unless they were crappy and completely useless, like you just mentioned.

Responding to tommy... do you need glasses? Perhaps the only games you played on the n64 were nintendo games (because they purposefully had simplified geometry for a cartoonie feel) but games like rouge squadron, re 2 and sote were NOT blocky or simplified in any way... with better biezer curves and some better textures they could hold their own with last generation's games.

shardian · « **Reply #58 on:** July 11, 2007, 02:57:49 pm »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on July 11, 2007, 02:43:52 pm

rouge squadron

How could I have forgotten that game!! I remember playing the crap out of the Hoth and Asteroid levels of Shadows of the Empire (the 3rd person levels were frustrating). Then Rogue squadron came out. You definitely need the expansion pack for it, but very worth it. Now I have to go get a copy of Rogue Squadron for my N64.

ChadTower · « **Reply #59 on:** July 11, 2007, 03:00:40 pm »

I have it but don't think I've played it. Now I will.

danny_galaga · « **Reply #60 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:32:03 pm »

Quote from: shardian on July 11, 2007, 02:57:49 pm

Quote from: Howard_Casto on July 11, 2007, 02:43:52 pm
rouge squadron

How could I have forgotten that game!! I remember playing the crap out of the Hoth and Asteroid levels of Shadows of the Empire (the 3rd person levels were frustrating). Then Rogue squadron came out. You definitely need the expansion pack for it, but very worth it. Now I have to go get a copy of Rogue Squadron for my N64.

hmmm, another to add to my list. but i definitley want mario kart. just waiting for a reasonable price. need to cut this off somewhere though. this is what ive picked up so far:

1   wave race

2   cruisin usa

3   banjo kazooie

4   lylat wars (aka star fox)

5   zelda- ocarina of time

6   super mario

7   perfect dark

8   pilot wings

9   hydro thunder

10   blast corps

11   command and conquer

i guess wave race and hydro thunder are kinda the same thing. but i bought wave race first and THEN realised hydro thunder was available. and i really like hydro thunder arcade...

Frosty · « **Reply #61 on:** July 12, 2007, 10:39:50 am »

Here's a start from Metacritic. Eliminating most sports games and a few that were definitely better on later consoles (Rayman 2 for Dreamcast is a good example), you can get an idea of what's good for the 64. But the top 10: they're must-haves. Your actual milage may vary...

ChadTower · « **Reply #62 on:** July 12, 2007, 10:44:55 am »

I question any list that doesn't put WCW vs NWO even in the top 50. I'd put that top ten easily.

shardian · « **Reply #63 on:** July 12, 2007, 10:51:35 am »

Quote from: Frosty on July 12, 2007, 10:39:50 am

Here's a start from Metacritic. Eliminating most sports games and a few that were definitely better on later consoles (Rayman 2 for Dreamcast is a good example), you can get an idea of what's good for the 64. But the top 10: they're must-haves. Your actual milage may vary...

1080 snowboarding rocked.

ChadTower · « **Reply #64 on:** July 12, 2007, 10:55:31 am »

That game was a total joystick killer, too, which is testament to its quality.

SithMaster · « **Reply #65 on:** July 12, 2007, 03:41:10 pm »

Mario tennis was good
shadows of the empire
podracer
i enjoyed no mercy for a time

has anyone here played doom 64? ive been meaning to get a copy since they added some stuff in. and you guys have reminded me to get some racing games (cruisn and rush).

ChadTower · « **Reply #66 on:** July 12, 2007, 03:55:29 pm »

IIRC, it's poop with crap on it.

shardian · « **Reply #67 on:** July 12, 2007, 04:14:14 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 12, 2007, 03:55:29 pm

IIRC, it's poop with crap on it.

After playing FPS with the ability to duck/jump/look around, Doom is like playing a game with one hand tied behind your back and the other with a full cast with only the thumb exposed.

Having said that, yes it sucked.

Duke Nukem 64 was cool though. The 4 player option ruled. Blowing the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- out of each other with the grenade launcher was good times.

ahofle · « **Reply #68 on:** July 12, 2007, 04:22:14 pm »

Is it just me, or do all first person shooters suck big time on consoles compared to the PC? I just can't get anywhere close to the level of control I have on a PC with keyboard/mouse using a gamepad.

ChadTower · « **Reply #69 on:** July 12, 2007, 04:24:36 pm »

Most do, yes. The one exception I can remember is Powerslave on the Saturn... that one had pretty good control.

shardian · « **Reply #70 on:** July 12, 2007, 04:40:35 pm »

Quote from: ahofle on July 12, 2007, 04:22:14 pm

Is it just me, or do all first person shooters suck big time on consoles compared to the PC? I just can't get anywhere close to the level of control I have on a PC with keyboard/mouse using a gamepad.

I played the crap out of Halo on X-box, and then played it on the pc when it came out only to find that I preferred the x-box controller.

Probably just familiarity - if I would have played more on pc I probably would have grown to prefer the key/mouse.

danny_galaga · « **Reply #71 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:28:59 pm »

Quote from: Frosty on July 12, 2007, 10:39:50 am

Here's a start from Metacritic. Eliminating most sports games and a few that were definitely better on later consoles (Rayman 2 for Dreamcast is a good example), you can get an idea of what's good for the 64. But the top 10: they're must-haves. Your actual milage may vary...

well, i have 5 of those top ten on their way to me, and 3 others lower on that list. the cumulative advice from you guys has been awesome i must say (",) . heck, i feel all choked up saying it...

danny_galaga · « **Reply #72 on:** July 12, 2007, 09:53:48 pm »

ok. just picked up the first 3 carts from the post office. i plug one in, set up the console and turn it on. nothing! same for the other 2. i cant see what i can be doing wrong since its such a simple set up. i thought maybe i had to take out the memory pack but that didnt do anything. after all this time waiting i think i have a dud console

edit: i checked the tv itself by plugging in my gp2x. thats fine so its not the tv either. grrrr. i really like the purple console. i see a console on its own for ten bucks. might think about picking that up and swapping the internals if it works. ill wait back from the seller of mine first to see what she says. she had good feedback and was really quick to refund the extra i paid for postage...

edit edit: ok. im a dill. the cart contacts just needed a bit of a clean. youd think id know that having owned a game boy!

so now i can play (",)

(after i finish adjusting the brakes on my car, which i guess is more important)

Zero_Hour · « **Reply #73 on:** July 13, 2007, 03:42:49 am »

Quote from: ahofle on July 12, 2007, 04:22:14 pm

Is it just me, or do all first person shooters suck big time on consoles compared to the PC? I just can't get anywhere close to the level of control I have on a PC with keyboard/mouse using a gamepad.

Metroid on the GC is the first FPS I have ever played on any console that I actually could finish because the controls didn't suck. Nintendo, actually considered the limitations of FPS with a gamepad, and designed the game to really take advantage of the GC controller.

I'm a diehard PC fanboy when it comes to FPS, but Metroid Prime really impressed.

ChadTower · « **Reply #74 on:** July 13, 2007, 08:10:24 am »

The N64 is definitely a pain to troubleshoot like that. Another hard one to diagnose is a bad jumper pak.

shardian · « **Reply #75 on:** July 13, 2007, 09:11:33 am »

On mine, the ridiculously over sized ac adapter plug in the back of the unit is loose. You might want to make sure your is getting good contact.

ChadTower · « **Reply #76 on:** July 13, 2007, 09:21:10 am »

And if you need another, those power supplies are $1.99 at Gamestop now.

Hawk Daddy · « **Reply #77 on:** July 13, 2007, 09:58:38 am »

Super Mario 64, and 007 Golden Eye, Mario Cart 64 is all that you need.

Hawk

Malacus · « **Reply #78 on:** July 13, 2007, 12:12:00 pm »

haha, i never thought there would be such a huge thread over the 64, im gonna have to throw in an 'i agree' to Final Fantasy 7, back in, what, 1997? It was GREAT and the graphics were amazing! I had no trouble getting into these little 'block hand' figures running around to fight more block hands.

But NOW? I cant stomach it at all. Typically I can play older games and it easily be Game over Graphics, but with FF7.... i want a remake! Now THAT would sell some PS3s! we all saw the tech demo, yea?

Maybe I just didnt get into Perfect Dark enough, Ill maybe give it another shot, I only have it because of Hype, and I saw it for 5$ still shrink wrapped about 4 years ago. Has anyone else spotted random n64 games at walmart even today? Ours locally has like 4 Tony Hawk 3s...

-mal

ChadTower · « **Reply #79 on:** July 13, 2007, 12:50:25 pm »

I only played about 15% into Perfect Dark... good quality game but I am not into shooting people in the back of the head. Too overtly violent for my taste.


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