had my first taste of n64

[danny_galaga]

on an emulator anyway. hard to figure out the controls without using an n64 controller. so im thinking maybe buying one would be better anyway. im really getting a taste for older consoles and handhelds, particularly things with no moving parts (was looking at a dreamcast thread before which reminded how much i like solid state things  ).

so any pitfalls in buying? looks like ocarina of time is a must have (and definitely with instructions!). any other games anyone would recommend? mario kart 64? i looked at one called lode runner 3d too. but as with zelda, i couldnt even get past the start in the emulator.

im a real virgin when it comes to consoles as ive nevere actually owned one! i think this could be a good first choice. i might also look into the snes and sega genesis (comix zone freakin rocks on my gp2x!)

[danny_galaga]

ok, having a bit of a root around ebay to get an idea. do i need an expansion pack thingo to play the most common games? theres a dude selling a console and an expansion pack in two different auctions. the pack is higher than the console at the moment! console is at 21 bucks and pack is at 25 with just under a day to go.

what would be a reasonable price to pay for a console in good condition?


i can see im gonna buy one and NEVER finish my pilots licence :/

[stephenp1983]

Some of the later game use the expansion pack but its not a ton of them.  You can get one on amazon still if you want:
http://www.amazon.com/Innovations-N64-EXPANSION-PACK/dp/B00005B4Q7.

Anyway n64 is probably one of my favorite systems, even though it does get alot of hate.  I never had a ps1, but loved my n64.  I remember getting it for christmas one year and being amazed at the 3d graphics which was a big jump from my super nes.  First game I had was star wars shadows of the empire.  Id check it out.

[danny_galaga]

ok, i found another ebay auction for one in the original box with an expansion pack- $60. sounds good to me (",)

now to find some games...

[ChadTower]

The N64 is a great system.  Tons of great games.  The expansion pak isn' truly necessary but there are a couple of the higher end games that require it.  Majora's Mask may require it, I don't remember, and if so that makes it a must have.  Not too long ago the N64 was the cheap spot for gaming - you could get a system and games for $25 easily and games were blowing out of used game stores at a couple bucks each.  Yard sales were full of them.  You just missed that phase, at least here, but you can still build a really good N64 game library on the cheap.

BTW, Ocarina of Time and Super Mario 64 are absolute must complete games.  Two of the very best ever made of any genre.  SMB64 may be the actual best ever made.

[danny_galaga]

well, this all adds to my excitement! ill definitely get ocarina. ive just bought lylat wars so ive got something to play with when i get the console. the others il try and get them as cheaply as possible and from one place where possible. some games ill take care to get instructions although i notice some people are selling instructions on their own. things like wave race and mario kart im sure i can get by without instructions (",)

this will be my first console- about ten years after it first came out! but i view it like good music. i sometimes buy albums about ten years after i first hear it- theres no need to rush because if its good itll still be around later and most likely cheaper...

[shardian]

N64's are selling for $60??? Think I may need to sell mine.

The main game that requires the expansion pack is Perfect Dark. Very good game IMO, and the multiplayer modes are very good. You can't even do the multiplayer stuff w/o the expansion pack. Back then, I think I paid $1 each for the game and the strategy guide. I may have paid $10 for the expansion pack at a gaming store used.

As to great games you should get:
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 64 (4 player is very fun)
Star Fox 64
NFL Blitz (The controller is perfect for this game, and best of all is no load times - oh and 4 player is awesome )

[Kangum]

i see n64 systems at flea markets all the time. along with ps 1s. really cheap. n64 games were about 6 bucks each.

(hollis flea)

[shardian]

i see n64 systems at flea markets all the time. along with ps 1s. really cheap. n64 games were about 6 bucks each.

(hollis flea)

He's in Aussie Land though.

[danny_galaga]

yeah i could buy the carts from the UK (they are PAL as well) but once you add in freight its best to buy local. 60 bucks aussie is about 50 mercan. this got me the console in its box plus the expansion doo dad. having the box is worth something to me because its going to be chucked under my bed when not in use...

just looking at the prices in the US. yep you guys have got it good!

but im pretty happy. you cant actually buy one new game for that money (",)

[ChadTower]

Just verified, Majora's Mask does require the expansion pak.

Some other games that pop immediately to mind as must plays are Paper Mario, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Mario Party (all or any), Super Smash Bros, Goldeneye 007, Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie... but really, if you never play anything other than Ocarina of Time and SMB64 you'll have gotten more than your money's worth.

You can find the contents of most game manuals online, so unless you actually want the manuals, don't go out of your way to get them.

[Hoagie_one]

On a side note, if you have a wii, you can download SMB64, Ocarina of time and play it on your wii.

[hypernova]

I'll second these games:

Mario 64
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask.  Only a few dungeons, but they're EXCELLENT dungeons.
Star Fox 64 (Or is that the same as Lylat Wars in another country?)
Goldeneye
Perfect Dark
Smash Brothers

I'll second Mario Kart as well, especially since you haven't played Double Dash on the GC yet.  It's a hard step back once you have.  It does have much better multiplayer arenas on the 64, though.

Other suggestions:
Killer Instinct Gold
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
Those seem to be the last of the decent 2D fighters, IMO.
F-Zero X

Of course....you could just bypass all this trouble, find an adaptoid (a GENUINE adaptoid) and N64 controller on ebay, and load up project64 on your PC.  It looks like that'll run you anywhere between $70-$100, depending on shipping charges.  Most adaptoids are running around $50, and controllers are what, $5-10?   Maybe $15.

I have Perfect Dark (American version).  You want it?  It looks like you need the PAL stuff, though.  Anyway, pay shipping, and it's yours.  I think it's complete too.  (I had it boxed up, hoping its value went up.  It never did.)

Hit up gamefaqs.com for instructions.  Most games have at least a few FAQs that tediously list even the simple instructions found in the manuals, many times with more information about them.

[danny_galaga]

Of course....you could just bypass all this trouble, find an adaptoid (a GENUINE adaptoid) and N64 controller on ebay, and load up project64 on your PC.  It looks like that'll run you anywhere between $70-$100, depending on shipping charges.  Most adaptoids are running around $50, and controllers are what, $5-10?   Maybe $15.

  . i had thought about getting an adaptoid, but i guess i instinctively knew it would be pricey. besides, i thought itd be cool to play the real thing. after all, if we had the time, space and money many of us would rather play a real arcade machine than just play it on the pc (of course building a cab is another matter again, a different pleasure )

Hit up gamefaqs.com for instructions.  Most games have at least a few FAQs that tediously list even the simple instructions found in the manuals, many times with more information about them.

ill check that out. also from chads prompting i found this place which seems to be useful too:

http://public.planetmirror.com/   (edit: actually, this site blows!) THIS site has some manuals though- http://lutomes.com/scanation/index.php

got a couple of manuals from them already. now the waiting game commences for the actual console...


edit: the seller just got back to me. i ordered a cartridge tower off her at the same time. turns out the postage for the two is 2o bucks cheaper than i had paid for! she offered to throw in an n64 game for free. unfortunately the only one she had was lylat wars which i had just bought elsewhere. doh! so shes transferring the money back. if id have checked my email this morning it would have been posted already. oh well...

[ChadTower]

If you're going to be playing a lot of N64, pick up a few extra "new" controllers.  Those sticks don't last - and you can't fix them short of buying cannibalized parts.  One of the worst examples of material choice in console history.  Great controller layout, very innovative, but they built the analog stick out of papier mache it seems.

[shardian]

If you're going to be playing a lot of N64, pick up a few extra "new" controllers.  Those sticks don't last - and you can't fix them short of buying cannibalized parts.  One of the worst examples of material choice in console history.  Great controller layout, very innovative, but they built the analog stick out of papier mache it seems.

Hehe, reminds of playing blitz at a buddies house. We had to draw straws as to who used the busted stick that didn't have the thumb part of the analog stick - just the thin stick part. OUCH!!

[ChadTower]

Yeah, the real problem is that the rails that connect to the internal pots wear out - the more it wears, the looser and less accurate the stick gets.  Those rails are very thin and you can't rebuild them - I tried.  When you see the powder built up around the stick base you know the stick is on its last legs.

[shardian]

Yeah, the real problem is that the rails that connect to the internal pots wear out - the more it wears, the looser and less accurate the stick gets.  Those rails are very thin and you can't rebuild them - I tried.  When you see the powder built up around the stick base you know the stick is on its last legs.

Store demo ones were always like that.

[ChadTower]

Yep.  If you can find replacement sticks, they're easy to swap in, as the whole stick assembly is an enclosed component inside the controller.  For a while they were a big NOS ebay item.  Not anymore, though.

EDIT:  seems a few have made a comeback... it's worth picking some of these up.  If I can find a few cheap I'm going to do it.

[danny_galaga]

thanks for the tip. i might get a couple then.

oh, and the rumble pack. does that attach to the controller? am i missing out by not having it?

and what about aftermarket controllers? any good?

[ChadTower]

I have yet to find an aftermarket N64 controller that is as good as the originals.  I think it's the last of the consoles where there really weren't any that are as good or better.

I never use the rumble pack, it doesn't add much, many games don't even use it.  Plus it eats batteries.  Pick up extra memory packs, they fill fast.

[GlennM]

You want a Superpad 64 Plus, it had a steel pin instead of the crap plastic, those things never wore out.  They also have a bit more modern design, they merged the center stick with the left d-pad, so they were one piece.

They may be rather hard to find, but it would be worth it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/CONTROLLER-Nintendo-64-black-super-pad-plus_W0QQitemZ260133578060QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3580QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

Later,
Glenn

[shardian]

I have yet to find an aftermarket N64 controller that is as good as the originals.  I think it's the last of the consoles where there really weren't any that are as good or better.

I never use the rumble pack, it doesn't add much, many games don't even use it.  Plus it eats batteries.  Pick up extra memory packs, they fill fast.

The rumble pack was initially released with Starfox 64, which used it VERY well. None of the other games I'v played with it really seemed to do much.
Oh and thought of another game for you that I absolutely loved:
Pokemon Snap.
Once you get past the fact it is pokemon, it is a very interesting and addictive and fun game.

[ChadTower]

I don't see how that controller is merging the d pad and the stick... they're just a little closer.  The problem with the N64 stick isn't the shaft, it is the rails that are moved up/down right/left by the ball at the end of the shaft.  Those are what wear out and give the stick so much play, along with the little plastic cogs on the end of them.

[danny_galaga]

Oh and thought of another game for you that I absolutely loved:
Pokemon Snap.
Once you get past the fact it is pokemon, it is a very interesting and addictive and fun game.

riiiggghhhhhhtttt 

[hypernova]

If you're going to be playing a lot of N64, pick up a few extra "new" controllers.  Those sticks don't last -

Mine lasted for many years of frequent usage.    But the other opinion seems to be the consensus here.

The games I used rarely needed the memory pak.  Only Perfect Dark (profiles) and Mario Kart (ghosts) made use of it for me, thus one was sufficient.  The rest of the games used the N64's memory most, if not all the time.  What other games make use of that mempack?

[ChadTower]

The n64 has no memory.  Some games have memory on the cartridge.

[danny_galaga]

Yep.  If you can find replacement sticks, they're easy to swap in, as the whole stick assembly is an enclosed component inside the controller.  For a while they were a big NOS ebay item.  Not anymore, though.

EDIT:  seems a few have made a comeback... it's worth picking some of these up.  If I can find a few cheap I'm going to do it.

well, they were cheap enough for me. they have pairs of them going for under 10 bucks to i bought a pair (",)

[danny_galaga]

 

just got the console in the mail today   clear grape colour. much funkier than plain ol black.

of course, i dont have any actual games to try it out with yet. i feel a bit silly because one of the games i bought on ebay was also for sale by the console seller and i could have got that thrown in.

and now we wait...


oh, what is it with paper mario? it sounds interesting but its about the most expensive game around for the n64. is it that good a game? or is it because its also available on the wii and people are nostalgic at this very moment?

[ChadTower]

It's pretty good but I wouldn't pay much more than $15 for it now, and that's for a good copy.  I think there's a lot of novelty and prestige to the game.  You should definitely play through it but wait for a reasonable price.  At least it's one of those games that you can play with a crappy controller if necessary.

[Malacus]

I think i paid 20$ w/ expansion at an EB Games a few years back. (the guy actually searched through the ones they had, pretty rare for an EB employee)

if you're into wrestling at all, WCW Revenge, WWF Wrestlemania and WWF No Mercy are some of the best ever made.

I also find using an Xbox controller with PJ64 fairly easy, theyre really simple to hack a USB end to.

Paper Mario is excellent. Hands down one of the best n64 games, the first two are more RPG than the newest one.

Im recently playing The World is not Enough and Carmageddon64.

I agree that the controllers are rubbish after some hard gaming, but I just cant pay nearly 10 bucks a piece at EB for them...

-mal

[ChadTower]

I forgot to mention the wrestling games... here is the rule on N64 wrestling games:

Made by THQ:   

Made by anyone else:   

Made by Acclaim:   

[tommy]

There is nothing better than an old console in high res on your pc to make up for the lack of graphics it was made for.

[ChadTower]

The N64 has S video.  What it doesn't have is enough horsepower to put strong texturing on all of the 3d objects.  That is especially true on the earlier N64 games... things look worse than they play at times because the texturing and shading is primitive. 

On the other hand, like all Nintendo consoles, N64 games make great use of colors.

[tommy]

I never understood why Nintendo chose to go 3d with the N64 when they did, the technology was not there yet till the gamecube was made... they should have stuck with 2d till they had it down better.

[Malacus]

eh...

I think it was a good stepping stone, theres some great titles on the 64 (not alot, but some...)
Ocarina of Time is still considered the best of the series by many, and while Majora's Mask was in no way MY favorite, it was still a good 'easy on the eyes' game

Even the dated graphics of goldeneye were enough to keep us in tournaments on the projection screen. The opening sequence with the 'hummmmmmmm' still takes me years back to the days when it was top notch.

I did think Perfect Dark was utter rubbish though...

-mal

[tommy]

Perfect dark was great man....  better than GE. All those guns and their secondary function was state of the art for it's time. How can you beat a gun you can hold and shoot and then plant on a wall making it a self shooting sentry gun, you can't beat it.

[ChadTower]

The technology was ready.  The third party developers are what was not ready.  Mario 64 is an amazing game and was a launch title. 

The first party N64 games all made very strong use of the 3D concept.  The third party games, though, man those first round of third party N64 games were total crap.

[tommy]

I'm talking about the graphic power of the console. You can't say the  weak 3d blocky graphics were good enough even for that time. Sure, it's easy to say now after looking at all the new stuff going on but it was still obvious at that time that it just was not looking all that great and i would have been much more happy to see detailed 2d models over garbage 3d models.

[ChadTower]

Keep looking at Mario 64.  It fits the bill and was a launch title.  Mario Kart is another example, great use of the 3d and colors.  The N64 was great at what it was designed for... the third party developers tried to make it do gradients and textures and reflectivity, and no, it wasn't suited for that.  It wasn't designed for that.

[tommy]

Those games you mention were great, they were fun and only because they played so well they might have made players overlook the Blurr that was the graphics. I still don't think they were ready to go 3d at the time they did but that's just my opinion though.

[shardian]

Those games you mention were great, they were fun and only because they played so well they might have made players overlook the Blurr that was the graphics. I still don't think they were ready to go 3d at the time they did but that's just my opinion though.

N64 was very capable of 3d. I am not sure what you are basing your opinions on here, but 3d on N64 looked very good when done right. WTF do you want man, 1080P back before HD even existed? Some N64 games compare in 3d to xbox and ps2 3d games.

[tommy]

I'm talking about clarity, How can you go from blurry snes games (they couldn't even make 2d games look good at that time) to jumping so far ahead to try to make 3d models? How about you make 2d models look detailed and then attempt to make 3d models.


Imagine if the N64 was 2d as the snes but with double the processing and graphics power, it would have been great instead of a blocky square fest of pixels attempt at a 3d console.

[shardian]

I'm talking about clarity, How can you go from blurry snes games (they couldn't even make 2d games look good at that time) to jumping so far ahead to try to make 3d models? How about you make 2d models look detailed and then attempt to make 3d models.


Imagine if the N64 was 2d as the snes but with double the processing and graphics power, it would have been great instead of a blocky square fest of pixels attempt at a 3d console.

My only conclusion is that you have never owned a N64 and are talking out of your rear.

[ChadTower]

Erm, if the N64 were catered to 2D and sprite based graphics it would have been an entirely different piece of hardware.  The N64 was very specifically designed to be a 3D engine.  That's why there were few 2D N64 games and almost all of those were 3D on a single plane rather than sprite based. 

The N64 didn't have a sprite engine to speak of, that's why games like NHL came across really stupidly.  They weren't suited to the architecture of the platform.

[tommy]

You guys are missing the point so i'll just bow out here.

[ChadTower]

So far, what I understand to be your point, is that the N64 isn't what you wanted it to be.  Fair?

[tommy]

I guess what i'm saying is that the 2d games on the gamecube could have looked as well on the N64 if they went that way with it. That game viewtifull joe is a good example.

[ChadTower]

But what we're telling you is that wasn't possible.  The N64 couldn't pull that off as it wasn't designed to do 2D.  The N64 was not an all purpose computing machine, it was very specialized to do what Mario 64 did. 

[tommy]

I know it was not made for that but if they set out to make it a detailed 2d console it would have been that and better than a weak 3d console.

I'm talking before the fact and you're taking after the fact.

Nevermind. 

[shardian]

Nobody wanted a 2d system at that point in time. 3D was taking off HUGE in arcades and Nintendo wanted to cash in on the home market.

Personally I am surprised the N64 was as good as it turned out. Most games back then, it didn't matter how ---smurfy--- the game play was, as long as it was 3d...oh wait, that's still how it is with the current gen. 

[ChadTower]

So tommy is saying "it would have been cool if they built something else."

[hypernova]

No...I'm pretty sure he's saying hindsight is 20/20.   Or in his case 20/300.  Because his views are waaaaaaaay off.

Many of those games were perfect.

You can't say the  weak 3d blocky graphics were good enough even for that time.

  Compared to what?  The only other major console available was the PS, and the only real difference between the consoles was the media storage capacity.  I look at FF7's block arms and shudder everytime, but I love the game.

3D had to start somewhere on consoles.  It wasn't going to be the smoothest, prettiest transition.  (And we still aren't there.  Graphics can get even smoother.)  N64 entered the 3D world at just the right time, I think.  Some stellar games on that system.  Playing Perfect Dark again right now on Project64 with my adaptoid.  Takes me back...

[Howard_Casto]

The only other 3d console at the time was the ps1, which had HORRIBLE graphics.  Unfortunately the ps1 still out-sold it because it had FMV (ooo video, that really adds to a crappy game!) and the games were about 10-15 bucks cheaper.  The ONLY limitation of the n64 at the time was texture size, not because of the hardware (which could handle about anything at ntsc resolution) but the cart format.

Bar, none, without question, the n64 had the best graphics at the time.  Don't believe me?  Pick any n64 game, look at the year, and then pick a similar ps1 game from that year.  It'll look horrible in comparison (although it might have more levels or some fancy videos).  Oh and remember that emulators can add fancy blending filters to the 3d on the ps1, so turn those off.

[danny_galaga]

It's pretty good but I wouldn't pay much more than $15 for it now, and that's for a good copy.  I think there's a lot of novelty and prestige to the game.  You should definitely play through it but wait for a reasonable price.  At least it's one of those games that you can play with a crappy controller if necessary.

yeah, ill definitely have to be patient. i see a US (ntsc) one at $5 right now. very reasonable. then i watched an aussie one (pal) get passed in- it had a $110 'buy it now' ! WTF?

well, im checking my po box 2 or 3 times a day for that first cart to come. i feel like a kid again! funny, because there are no definite memories of the n64 as i was already busy earning a living...

[tommy]

The only other 3d console at the time was the ps1, which had HORRIBLE graphics.  Unfortunately the ps1 still out-sold it because it had FMV (ooo video, that really adds to a crappy game!) and the games were about 10-15 bucks cheaper.  The ONLY limitation of the n64 at the time was texture size, not because of the hardware (which could handle about anything at ntsc resolution) but the cart format.

Bar, none, without question, the n64 had the best graphics at the time.  Don't believe me?  Pick any n64 game, look at the year, and then pick a similar ps1 game from that year.  It'll look horrible in comparison (although it might have more levels or some fancy videos).  Oh and remember that emulators can add fancy blending filters to the 3d on the ps1, so turn those off.

 

I'm not comparing the N64 to the ps1, the ps1 was crap too. That whole generation was not ready to go 3d yet as you can tell by blocky graphics.

[shardian]

The only other 3d console at the time was the ps1, which had HORRIBLE graphics.  Unfortunately the ps1 still out-sold it because it had FMV (ooo video, that really adds to a crappy game!) and the games were about 10-15 bucks cheaper.  The ONLY limitation of the n64 at the time was texture size, not because of the hardware (which could handle about anything at ntsc resolution) but the cart format.

Bar, none, without question, the n64 had the best graphics at the time.  Don't believe me?  Pick any n64 game, look at the year, and then pick a similar ps1 game from that year.  It'll look horrible in comparison (although it might have more levels or some fancy videos).  Oh and remember that emulators can add fancy blending filters to the 3d on the ps1, so turn those off.

Nintendo was able to port Resident Evil 2  to the N64, which was impressive. The gameplay was identical, but the videos were obviously compressed ALOT. They ran windowed, the sound was tinny, and the video was grainy. Still, it was pretty cool that they made it happen.

So technically, N64 was capable of FMV. 

[Howard_Casto]

You mis-understand, of course the n64 was technically capable of fmv video, the problem is there wasn't enough storage on the cart to have them in unless they were crappy and completely useless, like you just mentioned. 


Responding to tommy... do you need glasses?  Perhaps the only games you played on the n64 were nintendo games (because they purposefully had simplified geometry for a cartoonie feel) but games like rouge squadron, re 2 and sote were NOT blocky or simplified in any way... with better biezer curves and some better textures they could hold their own with last generation's games.

[shardian]

rouge squadron

How could I have forgotten that game!! I remember playing the crap out of the Hoth and Asteroid levels of Shadows of the Empire (the 3rd person levels were frustrating). Then Rogue squadron came out. You definitely need the expansion pack for it, but very worth it. Now I have to go get a copy of Rogue Squadron for my N64.

[ChadTower]

I have it but don't think I've played it.  Now I will.

[danny_galaga]

rouge squadron

How could I have forgotten that game!! I remember playing the crap out of the Hoth and Asteroid levels of Shadows of the Empire (the 3rd person levels were frustrating). Then Rogue squadron came out. You definitely need the expansion pack for it, but very worth it. Now I have to go get a copy of Rogue Squadron for my N64.

hmmm, another to add to my list. but i definitley want mario kart. just waiting for a reasonable price. need to cut this off somewhere though. this is what ive picked up so far:

1   wave race

2   cruisin usa

3   banjo kazooie

4   lylat wars (aka star fox)

5   zelda- ocarina of time

6   super mario

7   perfect dark

8   pilot wings

9   hydro thunder

10   blast corps

11   command and conquer

i guess wave race and hydro thunder are kinda the same thing. but i bought wave race first and THEN realised hydro thunder was available. and i really like hydro thunder arcade...

[Frosty]

Here's a start from Metacritic.  Eliminating most sports games and a few that were definitely better on later consoles (Rayman 2 for Dreamcast is a good example), you can get an idea of what's good for the 64.  But the top 10: they're must-haves.  Your actual milage may vary...

[ChadTower]

I question any list that doesn't put WCW vs NWO even in the top 50.  I'd put that top ten easily.

[shardian]

Here's a start from Metacritic.  Eliminating most sports games and a few that were definitely better on later consoles (Rayman 2 for Dreamcast is a good example), you can get an idea of what's good for the 64.  But the top 10: they're must-haves.  Your actual milage may vary...

1080 snowboarding rocked.

[ChadTower]

That game was a total joystick killer, too, which is testament to its quality.

[SithMaster]

Mario tennis was good
shadows of the empire
podracer
i enjoyed no mercy for a time

has anyone here played doom 64? ive been meaning to get a copy since they added some stuff in.  and you guys have reminded me to get some racing games (cruisn and rush).

[ChadTower]

IIRC, it's poop with crap on it.

[shardian]

IIRC, it's poop with crap on it.

After playing FPS with the ability to duck/jump/look around, Doom is like playing a game with one hand tied behind your back and the other with a full cast with only the thumb exposed.

Having said that, yes it sucked.

Duke Nukem 64 was cool though. The 4 player option ruled. Blowing the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- out of each other with the grenade launcher was good times.

[ahofle]

Is it just me, or do all first person shooters suck big time on consoles compared to the PC?  I just can't get anywhere close to the level of control I have on a PC with keyboard/mouse using a gamepad. 

[ChadTower]

Most do, yes.  The one exception I can remember is Powerslave on the Saturn... that one had pretty good control.

[shardian]

Is it just me, or do all first person shooters suck big time on consoles compared to the PC?  I just can't get anywhere close to the level of control I have on a PC with keyboard/mouse using a gamepad. 

I played the crap out of Halo on X-box, and then played it on the pc when it came out only to find that I preferred the x-box controller. Probably just familiarity - if I would have played more on pc I probably would have grown to prefer the key/mouse.

[danny_galaga]

Here's a start from Metacritic.  Eliminating most sports games and a few that were definitely better on later consoles (Rayman 2 for Dreamcast is a good example), you can get an idea of what's good for the 64.  But the top 10: they're must-haves.  Your actual milage may vary...

well, i have 5 of those top ten on their way to me, and 3 others lower on that list. the cumulative advice from you guys has been awesome i must say (",) . heck, i feel all choked up saying it...

[danny_galaga]

ok. just picked up the first 3 carts from the post office. i plug one in, set up the console and turn it on. nothing! same for the other 2. i cant see what i can be doing wrong since its such a simple set up. i thought maybe i had to take out the memory pack but that didnt do anything. after all this time waiting i think i have a dud console 

edit: i checked the tv itself by plugging in my gp2x. thats fine so its not the tv either. grrrr. i really like the purple console. i see a console on its own for ten bucks. might think about picking that up and swapping the internals if it works. ill wait back from the seller of mine first to see what she says. she had good feedback and was really quick to refund the extra i paid for postage...

edit edit: ok. im a dill. the cart contacts just needed a bit of a clean. youd think id know that having owned a game boy!

so now i can play (",) 

(after i finish adjusting the brakes on my car, which i guess is more important)

[Zero_Hour]

Is it just me, or do all first person shooters suck big time on consoles compared to the PC?  I just can't get anywhere close to the level of control I have on a PC with keyboard/mouse using a gamepad. 

Metroid on the GC is the first FPS I have ever played on any console that I actually could finish because the controls didn't suck. Nintendo, actually considered the limitations of FPS with a gamepad, and designed the game to really take advantage of the GC controller.

I'm a diehard PC fanboy when it comes to FPS, but Metroid Prime really impressed.

[ChadTower]

The N64 is definitely a pain to troubleshoot like that.  Another hard one to diagnose is a bad jumper pak.

[shardian]

On mine, the ridiculously over sized ac adapter plug in the back of the unit is loose. You might want to make sure your is getting good contact.

[ChadTower]

And if you need another, those power supplies are $1.99 at Gamestop now.

[Hawk Daddy]

Super Mario 64, and 007 Golden Eye, Mario Cart 64 is all that you need.

Hawk

[Malacus]

haha, i never thought there would be such a huge thread over the 64, im gonna have to throw in an 'i agree' to Final Fantasy 7, back in, what, 1997? It was GREAT and the graphics were amazing! I had no trouble getting into these little 'block hand' figures running around to fight more block hands.

But NOW? I cant stomach it at all. Typically I can play older games and it easily be Game over Graphics, but with FF7.... i want a remake! Now THAT would sell some PS3s! we all saw the tech demo, yea? 

Maybe I just didnt get into Perfect Dark enough, Ill maybe give it another shot, I only have it because of Hype, and I saw it for 5$ still shrink wrapped about 4 years ago.  Has anyone else spotted random n64 games at walmart even today? Ours locally has like 4 Tony Hawk 3s...

-mal

[ChadTower]

I only played about 15% into Perfect Dark... good quality game but I am not into shooting people in the back of the head.  Too overtly violent for my taste.

[hypernova]

Perfect Dark's solo missions are phenomenal.  Blows Goldeneye away.  Weapon training is pretty fun too.  It's hard to get Goldeneye lovers to like the multiplayer though.  We had that problem at work, and I don't know why.  The multiplayer is great if you can get over the "it's not Goldeneye" hump.  Sure, grenade launchers and lacing proximities EVERYWHERE on GE is fun, but so is PD!

And try to beat all 30 challenges.  (I gave up on the last one.  Though to be fair, I never really tried for days on end.)

[danny_galaga]

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[danny_galaga]

The N64 is definitely a pain to troubleshoot like that.  Another hard one to diagnose is a bad jumper pak.

yeah, i gave the cart contacts a good clean with some 300 grit wet and dry and some silver polish















only kidding    methylated spirits and a cotton tip... ill bear in mind jumper/memory pack/power supply problems too. good to know ahead of time what plays up.

i see what all the discussion is about now. first game i played was cruisin usa. i found it quite tedious. could only get to the second stage (san francisco). too many things hitting me    . AND the graphics didnt seem that impressive. and whats up with that chick that gives you the trophy? is her leg broken or something? THEN i played wave race. woah! that rocks! chad, you certainly are right about the colours. they really make good use of it. hardly notice the blockiness of the rider at all. AND i could play it! thats gotta be a candidate for the wii. ill be giving that a damn good thrashing. then i have banjo kazooie. i have carts coming in dribs and drabs from all over including the UK so theyll trickle in over the next few weeks. funny, the first game i bought was on its own to tide me over- it hasnt arrived yet!

i cant believe that the odd wal mart has a game or two! i surreptitiously had a look around the other day at different shops. wasnt going to ask in case they laughed at me    cool thing is i found a second hand record shop that had a couple of games. they also had a bally fireball.

http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=852

 still set on 20c    with a placard that said if you crack 2 million points you get 3 free cds! i could only manage 250,000 though. this new interest of mine is sure netting some new and diverse experiences...

[ChadTower]

Keep in mind Waverace was either a launch title or a very very early title, too.

[tommy]

Keep in mind the gamecube has much better games with much better graphics too.

[Malacus]

keep in mind the Gamecube wasnt available in 1996 O_o

-mal

[tommy]

keep in mind the Gamecube wasnt available in 1996 O_o

-mal

Oh, was this thread started in 96? 

[Buddabing]

Majora's Mask may require it, I don't remember, and if so that makes it a must have. 

It does.

Danny, make sure you check out Goldeneye and Banjo-Kazooie.

[danny_galaga]

Keep in mind the gamecube has much better games with much better graphics too.

keep in mind the ps3 has even BETTER graphics!

what you have to keep in mind is my earlier statement that i really love solid state stuff. so the n64 appeals. the only solid state console that would be better i imagine would be the neo geo. but hey, im not made of money 

budda, i have banjo. im in no rush to try them. id rather work at each game for a while before trying the next (except for that bloody cruisin  ) . more like back in the day too, since who had 10 or more games straight up? usually you would have the one that came with the console. play it to death, then save some money and buy another. then play that to death (or at least thats what my friends did). so ill be playing wave race for a bit longer before i go to banjo, but i anticipate enjoying it (",)

[danny_galaga]

anyone ever seen this?

http://ultimateconsoledatabase.com/modern/nintendo_ique.htm

chinese market only apparently...

[ChadTower]

what you have to keep in mind is my earlier statement that i really love solid state stuff. so the n64 appeals. the only solid state console that would be better i imagine would be the neo geo. but hey, im not made of money 

It's really not, anyway.  The Neo Geo console stuff is no where near worth what it cost then or now... especially to arcade people who can get a 1 slot cheap.  I have one now that I never use that I'm about to sell.  The N64 almost straight across the board is more fun and better games, and where the Neo Geo can match, there is often a reasonable N64 port of the game.  In terms of cost (very low) and availability, N64 is really the sweet spot on console gaming right now. 

[danny_galaga]

got a couple more carts in the mail today- laylat wars (star fox) and perfect dark. ill really get into lylat i think but the big surprise is that i think im going to lose a lot of time with perfect dark too (",) ive never been much of a fps fan. admired the technology, but i hated all the keyboard commands on a pc. also, with that perspective and sitting close to a monitor i would actually feel a bit ill. too claustrophobic! but lounging on a couch with all the buttons i need in one controller...

[ChadTower]

When I left the house this morning my sons were focused hard on Zelda OOT... they try so hard but they're just not up to that type of game yet.

[NightGod]

How old are your kids? My son really got into OoT type games at about 7-8 years old.

[ChadTower]

5 and 8, but the older one is a less serious gamer personality and wouldn't stick with the game long enough to get out of the village.

[tommy]

5 and 8, but the older one is a less serious gamer personality and wouldn't stick with the game long enough to get out of the village.

 

Heh, i gave up on that blurry game too and never made it out of the village. It just does not look good enough to play.

[ChadTower]

Something must be wrong with your TV, bro.  It's clear as crystal on a reasonable TV with S video.

[shardian]

Something must be wrong with your TV, bro.  It's clear as crystal on a reasonable TV with S video.

Nah, it's just he's a Giants fan. The reason it was blurry was because he couldn't stop crying about his crappy team.

[tommy]

This is how it looks for you as it does for me, this is what you call clear. Having blurry washed out textures, it's not playable and look horrible.

[ChadTower]

Sharidan, that is COLD.   

So tommy, textures are the primary requirement for you to play?  OOT is one of the best games ever designed.

[tommy]

So tommy, textures are the primary requirement for you to play?  OOT is one of the best games ever designed.

So now you can see the horribleness after i show you a pic, I've been saying this for many posts now only for you to call me and my TV crazy or broken. Now you just take another stand on the "those are the only games i can play that look good" after looking like an ass for saying it looks just fine. 

Yes, i only play games that both play and look great.

[ChadTower]

I still say you are crazy, or misguided at least, on this topic.

Why would someone who is such a supposed snob be on a board dedicated to classic arcade games?  None of them meet the standards you are laying out.  Not a single one.

[shardian]

So tommy, textures are the primary requirement for you to play?  OOT is one of the best games ever designed.

So now you can see the horribleness after i show you a pic, I've been saying this for many posts now only for you to call me and my TV crazy or broken. Now you just take another stand on the "those are the only games i can play that look good" after looking like an ass for saying it looks just fine. 

Yes, i only play games that both play and look great.

I hate to break this to you, but if your cherished ps3 games were designed for standard res tv's they would look the same way in the distance.

and I REALLY feel sorry for you that you didn't enjoy these games back in the day because they "weren't clear enough." I guess you never played half-life either, you know because it was pixelated, and they cheated with static bitmaps for backgrounds. What a crappy game...

[Samstag]

So tommy, textures are the primary requirement for you to play?  OOT is one of the best games ever designed.

So now you can see the horribleness after i show you a pic, I've been saying this for many posts now only for you to call me and my TV crazy or broken. Now you just take another stand on the "those are the only games i can play that look good" after looking like an ass for saying it looks just fine. 

Yes, i only play games that both play and look great.

That's a foolish thing to say.  Ten years from now the games will look much better than they do now, and some ignorant young punk will use the same argument against you when you bring up the great games you loved in the good ol' days of 2007, when the graphics weren't so hot but it was the gameplay that mattered!

[ChadTower]

Plus, the PS3 doesn't have a game that even comes close to being 50% of the gameplay quality of OOT.  What good is playing pretty games that aren't any fun?

[danny_galaga]

and look. geez, the guys head isnt even connected to his body! what a dumb game...

[danny_galaga]

ive started on banjo now. the controller is a bit loose so its getting a bit hard to advance in pilot wings (yeah, yeah. blaming the tools...). so i figure like chad said, that games like mario and banjo it isnt so critical.

i actually received another nintendo controller, new in the box. but its so new i dont wanna wear it out! got some replacement joys on the way. then ill see how good i am...

[tommy]

Well then the PS3 wouldn't fall under the look AND plays good idea so i would not bother with it.

As far as arcade games i still enjoy playing them no matter how they look and some do look very good BTW.

They are not making new arcade games everyday (not ones that we can play in Mame anyway) as they are always improving consoles, so i have no option but to play the Mame game how it is. With a console I'm not forced to play crappy looking games and see no reason too when there is a better look game that plays the same on a better console.

[ChadTower]

It is very critical in Mario 64.  There will be places where you have to creep and if your stick is too loose you can't do it.

tommy, there is no game that plays like OOT or Mario 64.  None.  We're talking top 5 all time games here, both of them.

[tommy]

That's good, it's the best of it's day but not anymore. You wouldn't put that up against twilight princess and you cannot really say you would rather play an inferior game when yo do not have to.

[ChadTower]

Do you ever watch movies older than 2-3 years old?  They're the best of their day but don't have the same special effects as movies do now.

[tommy]

Now we are getting way off the realm of making sense comparing other things to video games. Apples and Oranges.

I think i have said enough about this topic for now.

[pointdablame]

That's good, it's the best of it's day but not anymore. You wouldn't put that up against twilight princess and you cannot really say you would rather play an inferior game when yo do not have to.

sorry... but these 2 games are some of the best EVER.  not "of its day."  OOT and Mario 64 are 2 of the best games that have ever been created, and still are.  Not much at all even holds a candle to them today.

I actually feel sorry for you tommy, seriously.  You're so short-sighted and snob'ish about this that you missed some of the best game experiences ever.

[ChadTower]

Even if released on the same day, OOT and Mario 64 are both dramatically better games than Twilight Princess.

[tommy]

That's good, it's the best of it's day but not anymore. You wouldn't put that up against twilight princess and you cannot really say you would rather play an inferior game when yo do not have to.

sorry... but these 2 games are some of the best EVER.  not "of its day."  OOT and Mario 64 are 2 of the best games that have ever been created, and still are.  Not much at all even holds a candle to them today.

I actually feel sorry for you tommy, seriously.  You're so short-sighted and snob'ish about this that you missed some of the best game experiences ever.

I didn't mis them, i played them at the hight of their time. I just do not see a need to play them anymore with all the good stuff to be played today. 

Short sighted, hardly. Snobish, maybe, if knowing what type of games i like and i do not settle for anything less, then maybe.

[danny_galaga]

what we are all perplexed about is the fact that you are here (i imagine) because of an interest in retro games. unless it was the console section only that attracted you here (this has happened in the past, there was a guy named t & a gunner or something who only posted about guns for instance). by and large though people on this forum dig old stuff. doesnt mean we cant appreciate new stuff. hey, arent i writing this using that new fangled innernets?

dunno, just seems funny you think old console stuff is crap. be kinda like being on a vintage aircraft forum and saying that tiger moths are crap because they aren't as good as a cessna 172 

[Malacus]

Ive never once thought OoT looked like crap, thats just crazy talk!
Who gives a rats ass about the textures? They had to cram a ton of stuff onto those tiny little carts just so we didnt have load times.

Its absurd to think some one on THIS forum is thinking, "Pfft, I'm not playing Super Mario 3, that game sucks! 80s style! I'll go play Mario Sunshine, 'cause its on my Gamecube! That means its BETTER!"

-mal

you could always just play Ocarina ON your Gamecube, then it would be ok, right?   

[pointdablame]

I didn't mis them, i played them at the hight of their time. I just do not see a need to play them anymore with all the good stuff to be played today. 

Short sighted, hardly. Snobish, maybe, if knowing what type of games i like and i do not settle for anything less, then maybe.

you said yourself that you played it and didn't make it out of the village.  It's on this page a few posts up.... did you NOT say that??  So you didn't "play" them in their heyday, you just complained about it in their heyday cuz Nintendo didn't make the system you wanted.

So therefore, you didn't give it a chance and missed a FANTASTIC game.  And while you're entitled to an opinion just like everyone else, you are in the very small minority in saying that the N64 couldn't do 3D and that the games for it looked horrible.

[ChadTower]

That is a good point, making it out of the village is the first thing you do and gets you to like 1% completion.

[tommy]

I made it a good portion through the game when it was new, i just recently could not make it out of the village after looking at crap graphics.

I cannot think that i am alone when i think that there are so many better games to be playing and this game is a distant runner up in what people could be playing console wise.

[ChadTower]

For $10?

[Malenko]

I got stuck on Zelda 64 (thats what I always called the first one) I remember where too, in the ice/water temple where you had to use the grappling hook to get around, I just got puzzled and frustrated and quit, but it was and is still an incredible game.  Mario 64 has to be the greatest launch/pack in title ever. If I still had my 64, Id definitely be playing the shizzz out of it.


As for Tommy.... he's not making any sense. You cant honestly think a game released in 11/98 would have high res textures. And its actually quite sad that you cant play through and enjoy some of the greatest games of all time just because you think they are ugly. I am all about eye candy, simply put, I LOVE IT, but Id much rather play a less attractive game thats fun and entertaining over a beautiful game that plays like a turd.


I completely agree with pretty much everything sad about that above, why even be on this board if enjoying old games is such a hassle for you? Don't give me that MAME BS either, MAME is emulating old games taking the place of the hardware; by your argument you'd be fine playing Zelda on an emulator because since its an emulator they aren't making any games for it anymore but not ok playing on an actual piece of hardware. sheer insanity , immaturity, or both.

That's a foolish thing to say.  Ten years from now the games will look much better than they do now, and some ignorant young punk will use the same argument against you when you bring up the great games you loved in the good ol' days of 2007, when the graphics weren't so hot but it was the gameplay that mattered!

    

[ChadTower]

Eli Manning has very poor texturing and he doesn't run that fast.

[tommy]

As for Tommy.... he's not making any sense. You cant honestly think a game released in 11/98 would have high res textures.

You obviously just jumped in here without reading a damn thing. I said there is no reason to NOW play this game when there is so many more better looking and playing games to play. I did not think they were ready to go 3d at that time and i still say that now, but it was good for the time if you can overlook the graphics.  Believe it or not i was saying at that time that the games were definitely different and a change, but still too blocky.

[ChadTower]

There are almost zero better playing games.  You can stop saying that now.  A list of better playing games than both Mario 64 and OOT can be counted on the fingers of an epileptic machinist.

[tommy]

The gamecube versions of both those game play and look better then the N64 versions. Mario Kart DD and Zelda TP or WW.

[ChadTower]

Neither TP or WW is as good a game as OOT.

No game on the GC can see the place from where you can see Mario 64 on the mountain.  And I say that as a huge GC fan.

[tommy]

Neither TP or WW is as good a game as OOT.

You must be outa your damn mind. 

[ChadTower]

Yep... it was all that stupid sailing in WW.  That was real compelling play, lemme tell ya.

[tommy]

It's called an ADVENTURE game. You can say that about any adventure game or any game period. All that damn walking in Mario, all that damn back tracking in Resident evil, all that damn walking in OOT. That's the nature of the beast. At least it was something new in WW. 

God forbid you have to walk or move in a direction without having to hack and slash a few enemies for a short while.

[ChadTower]

There was entirely too much of it.  That makes it a less compelling game.

[Malenko]

Wind Waker sucked.  I read the entire thread and posted accordingly.

There is a reason to play Mario and Zelda on the N64, they are to this day still amazing games. Same reason I play MAME, so I can play great games from back in the day.If I had the hardware Id play it on them instead. the fact its a console doesn't mean anything, and the fact there are newer consoles available means even less. Games are games and if they are truly great they will stand the test of time.

I honestly do feel sorry for you, that you cant enjoy a well made fun game like Mario 64 just because it came out in 1996.Heck I just finished a rousing battle of Galaga (came out in 1981) yeah the ship and enemies are made of square pixels but damn if it doesnt look and play great (I prefer the rapid shot hack); Im so glad I can enjoy ugly old games like that.

heres the best example of newer "better looking" versions of games arent always better:
Command and Conquer : Red Alert Yuri's Revenge  VS Command on Conquer Generals

[hypernova]

That's the nature of the beast. At least it [sailing] was something new in WW. 

So as I understand it...you're ok with a boat, but not on feet?  Are you aware of the fact that while you are on a boat in WW, it takes an eternity just to get from one point to another because the world was just scaled FAR too large, while in SM64, you traversed a rather small castle, and the small worlds within it?  In OOT, the world wasn't NEAR the size of WW, and you could retrieve a horse dang near instantaneously in the future, making travel between points fairly quick...not to mention warp songs.

I still have WW...and I just can't bring myself to play it a second time because of sailing.  It's a chore.  I'd rather do laundry, dishes, AND mow the grass.

TP is close personally, but not quite OOT.

I remember where too, in the ice/water temple where you had to use the grappling hook to get around, I just got puzzled and frustrated and quit, but it was and is still an incredible game.

You probably missed the hole that opened up under the water when you raised it in the center area.  That dungeon was easily the hardest on that game, IMO.

If anyone has a chance to get the Master Quest GC disc, do it.  It's near playing a fresh game.

I enjoyed the Shadow Mario worlds on SMS, but other than that, the blue coins were a bit too tedious to be fun.  SM64 still reigns.

[Malacus]

haha, i really liked wind waker! The sailing was pretty dumb though, untill you could warp places. I thought Twilight Princess was good, but it... idk... lacked something... side quests? maybe i missed them :-P

I like cell shading, it makes things look cleaner, but i can see where some people would rather the more realistic textures over them.

I thought that new super mario brothers game on DS - which is a newer game and system - were absolute piss. Couldnt stand the 3d brothers on the 2d backgrounds. Just seemed wrong...

-Mal

I think Capt. Lou should go back to being Mario's voice actor I loved that show - even picked the first season up on dvd O_o

Which brings up a good question, Why are Mario and Link mute while Luigi and Zelda never shut the hell up?

[danny_galaga]

Ive never once thought OoT looked like crap, thats just crazy talk!
Who gives a rats ass about the textures? They had to cram a ton of stuff onto those tiny little carts just so we didnt have load times.

literally cram too. just another cool thing about solid state. zelda feels markedly heavier than wave race for instance. more chips n stuff i guess...

well, i caved in today and bought a new aftermarket controller at game traders. they are the only wholely australian owned games shop. whats cool about them is they sell old console stuff too, and new aftermarket accesories to suit. they have a chinese hand held NES for $50 for instance.

the joy is made by myiicco. i bought clear black. here is a grey one at ztnet:

http://www.ztnetstore.com/product_info.php/cPath/23/products_id/193

i bought this controller because on close inspection i could see that outwardly they had basically ripped off the joystick design. but looking closely i could see that all the moving/sliding parts that wear out on the original are made of metal on this! so i tried it out today. it feels ok. the springs feels weird compared to the original though. the original is well balanced and the further you push, the more tension there is. on this aftermarket one, the tension builds to maybe half way and falls off again. so it kind of 'gives' or topples. im going to continue test driving this. ive already cut down my lap times in wave race and can actually do a few stunts WHEN i want to!

it looks to me like the joy (if you wanted) will fit straight into an original controller, except that when i got it home i could see that there isnt a plug on the end of the joy wiring, so you'd have to take the lead off your old joy if you were going to swap it. the only reaon to swap it out though would be if the 'sawn off handles' of the controller (its more of a T than an M) irked you. but so far it feels fine.

[danny_galaga]

well, had a zelda day today. im going back to work next week so i thought id give this game the attention it deserves. i must say im really enjoying it. very compelling. getting an idea of what actions are possible (lighting deku sticks to reignite other lamps or burning webs for instance)but i managed to get stuck in one of the lower levels of the tree. im not keen to find the answer on the net. but now ive got an idea of how it goes im looking forward to the big adventure (",). im guessing games like baldurs gate owes heavily to this game.
i also had a good shot at banjo kazooie a few nights ago but it didnt grab me the same way this has. maybe once ive finished zelda ill give banjo another go...

[SithMaster]

the second time i played oot i messed up in the tree (bottom most level) and had to restart the game i think or i had to go back a save.  i havent played in a while so im not sure on the gamesaves.

let us know how it goes.

[shardian]

the second time i played oot i messed up in the tree (bottom most level) and had to restart the game i think or i had to go back a save.  i havent played in a while so im not sure on the gamesaves.

let us know how it goes.

The worst F-up I ever had in an RPG was on Dragon Warrior III or IV (can't remember for sure). I made it to the cloud castle to fight the final boss, and ended up realizing I wasn't powerful enough to beat the boss, or make it back to civilization. That SUCKED to have all that time invested for nothing.

[danny_galaga]

just a lil update on what ive picked up so far:



and the carts:



i think 20 oughta keep me occupied for a while  . although if i can get conkers cheap i will...

edit: at least that new carpet i was bitching about makes a nice background for the pics (",)

[hypernova]

I'm impressed especially with your CCC.

Controller Color Coordination

Agreed...those games will hold you off for a loooong time.

[tommy]

There is something better about collecting cartridges compared to just CD's i think.

[pointdablame]

There is something better about collecting cartridges compared to just CD's i think.

I agree.  It's totally illogical really, but I prefer having carts and "collecting" them over CDs

[sosuke]

i think 20 oughta keep me occupied for a while  . although if i can get conkers cheap i will...

If you have an xbox I would suggest you get Conker's BFD for that. I have both and the xbox version is much nicer. Of course if you really just want to collect carts, well to each his own. 

[danny_galaga]

i think 20 oughta keep me occupied for a while  . although if i can get conkers cheap i will...

If you have an xbox I would suggest you get Conker's BFD for that. I have both and the xbox version is much nicer. Of course if you really just want to collect carts, well to each his own. 

if you had followed this from the beginning you would know that ive never owned any other console. im not just 'collecting' carts. the N64 IS my games machine (",)

[ChadTower]

I've been playing through the Xbox version of Conker.  The controls are seriously wonky.  I may jump to the N64 version if the controls are better on that one.

[sosuke]

i think 20 oughta keep me occupied for a while  . although if i can get conkers cheap i will...

If you have an xbox I would suggest you get Conker's BFD for that. I have both and the xbox version is much nicer. Of course if you really just want to collect carts, well to each his own. 

if you had followed this from the beginning you would know that ive never owned any other console. im not just 'collecting' carts. the N64 IS my games machine (",)

Sorry I somehow completely missed that part of your first post. Get Conker on the 64 then It is one of the funniest games you'll ever play.

[danny_galaga]

i think 20 oughta keep me occupied for a while  . although if i can get conkers cheap i will...

If you have an xbox I would suggest you get Conker's BFD for that. I have both and the xbox version is much nicer. Of course if you really just want to collect carts, well to each his own. 

if you had followed this from the beginning you would know that ive never owned any other console. im not just 'collecting' carts. the N64 IS my games machine (",)

Sorry I somehow completely missed that part of your first post. Get Conker on the 64 then It is one of the funniest games you'll ever play.

ok, its on its way to me! along with diddy kong racing. i have hardly had a chance to play in the last few weeks. once my bank balance recovers from recent excesses ill get a tv for my bedroom. then my housemate will never see me again! one game i dont think ill ever be playing on the console is paper mario:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230163026738&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013

thats crazy!