Author Topic: Xbox Revolution (MTV showing) (Read 8694 times)

mcdo15 · « **on:** May 12, 2005, 10:06:57 pm »

I just finished watching the good parts of this...
let me say..Xbox 360 is gonna be no joke.

SaiNRuB · « **Reply #1 on:** May 12, 2005, 11:09:50 pm »

More footage for you guys!

Gamespot
ourcolony.net

I believe this suckers is going to be backwards compatible with XBOX, you can see Fable in the menu screen on the ourcolony video.

Tha MTV thing was ok, at least if they were going to play music it might as well be one of my favorite bands at the moment. Elija Wood did a real good job hosting it, besides that it was pretty cheesy but I was just expecting a tease and that what it ended up it seems.

shmokes · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2005, 12:11:27 am »

The only surprise for me, which was actually quite huge, is that the Xbox360 processor is water cooled. That was unexpected.

pointdablame · « **Reply #3 on:** May 13, 2005, 01:40:58 am »

Quote from: shmokes on May 13, 2005, 12:11:27 am

The only surprise for me, which was actually quite huge, is that the Xbox360 processor is water cooled. That was unexpected.

Yeah, that surprised me quite a bit too. Although it doesnt seem to be a standard water cooling setup as much as the CPU being in a liquid filled enclosure....no resevoirs or pumps that I could see.

I was also a bit surprised that it would have 512mb or ram. I had read 256 previously.... that was a pleasant surprise.

And it looks easy to disassemble and potentially mod

Chemixtry · « **Reply #4 on:** May 13, 2005, 01:56:37 am »

How long did it take after launch to get a working mod chip that could play backups on the 1st xbox? I only got an xbox a few months ago.

shmokes · « **Reply #5 on:** May 13, 2005, 08:35:37 am »

I don't know, but I secretly believe that MS will only take token measures to prevent it. I think they know that the modding community really did a lot to push the adoption of the Xbox as a legitimate console. Just like MS did little to stop the pirating of Windows 95 and 98 (some might even say they practically encouraged it) I wouldn't be surprised if they secretly look at the bright side. They want to get Xbox360s into homes. Specifically they want to get more Xbox360s into homes than PS3s (and Revolutions). Anything that can help them do that, even people who they are aren't making money off of, and are maybe even taking a loss from, can be viewed as a good thing. MS knows that the difficult part is breaking into a market and becoming the market leader. Once there it's been easy enough for them to use their vast resources to keep other competition at bay. With $50 billion cash in the bank they can afford a few customers with modded systems. Once they enjoy #1 position they can start cracking down on piracy for real, as they have done with Windows XP.

Now, I think it's a little more complicated with the videogames business, because they have to make some effort to punish the pirates (like the Xbox Live banning currently in effect) to keep the 3rd party publishers happy and willing to publish for their system. But so far I think the net effect of the mod scene has been positive for Microsoft. I know for a fact that if it weren't for the additional capabilities modding gives the Xbox I would own a Gamecube and PS2 right now instead of a Gamecube and Xbox.

GGKoul · « **Reply #6 on:** May 13, 2005, 11:15:42 am »

Quote from: shmokes on May 13, 2005, 08:35:37 am

I know for a fact that if it weren't for the additional capabilities modding gives the Xbox I would own a Gamecube and PS2 right now instead of a Gamecube and Xbox.

I purchased a Xbox just because of that...

Same reason why I purchase a Dreamcast too.

mr.Curmudgeon · « **Reply #7 on:** May 13, 2005, 11:45:02 am »

Quote from: shmokes on May 13, 2005, 08:35:37 am

I don't know, but I secretly believe that MS will only take token measures to prevent it. I think they know that the modding community really did a lot to push the adoption of the Xbox as a legitimate console.

Yeah, and I secretly believe now that MS is pretty well entrenched in the market, they'll start sending stormtroopers to houses of suspected modders. They cracked down on modders pretty hard on X-Box Live (from what I heard, I don't have an Xbox)

I'd wager that MS doesn't care about the community any more than they have to, and they probably don't really have to anymore. But we'll see.

mrC

DYNAGOD · « **Reply #8 on:** May 13, 2005, 01:31:28 pm »

that show was so stupid i shut it off after the first ten munites, which incidentally was after the 5th commercial break..
they didnt show jack, and who the frig cares about that transvestite rock killers crap..i didnt know it was a music video release party..
my god its a video game console..
Too much hype for me..couldnt deal..
im sure by the time release time rolls around it will only have half the features they boasted and suck twice as hard..

mcdo15 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 13, 2005, 01:51:06 pm »

Quote from: SaiNRuB on May 12, 2005, 11:09:50 pm

More footage for you guys!

Gamespot
ourcolony.net

This is 100 times better then mtv showing...keep in mind, the mtv release was geared towards kids and young adults (not saying we are that) but for me, i just wanted to see the facts... not make a show out of it and have clowns dancing in the streets.

Hopefully my friends gets good footage at E3 and i can provide some better stuff

dema · « **Reply #10 on:** May 13, 2005, 02:53:12 pm »

When is an emulator for the XBox 360 slated to come out?

shmokes · « **Reply #11 on:** May 13, 2005, 03:11:10 pm »

Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on May 13, 2005, 11:45:02 am

Quote from: shmokes on May 13, 2005, 08:35:37 am
I don't know, but I secretly believe that MS will only take token measures to prevent it. I think they know that the modding community really did a lot to push the adoption of the Xbox as a legitimate console.

Yeah, and I secretly believe now that MS is pretty well entrenched in the market, they'll start sending stormtroopers to houses of suspected modders. They cracked down on modders pretty hard on X-Box Live (from what I heard, I don't have an Xbox)

I'd wager that MS doesn't care about the community any more than they have to, and they probably don't really have to anymore. But we'll see.

mrC

Not so fast Mr. C. Xbox has never turned a profit. They are a VERY VERY VERY FAR distant second to PS2 in North America, and an abject failure in Japan. I mean a complete and utter failure in Japan. A pathetic, laughable failure. A....just kidding. Except I'm not. But I'm really kidding. By the way, that really happened.

Anyway, Microsoft still has a very long way to go. Nintendo may have been second to Microsoft in North America, but Gamecube was still quite profitable for them here. Xbox has been making a lot of progress lately in cutting its losses. It's still not turning a profit, if I'm not mistaken. If it is turning a profit that's a pretty recent development.

Microsoft will be our best friends at least throughout Xbox 360. We've got at least one more generation before Gates will pull of his Grandma mask and try to eat us.

To be clear if someone logs onto the LIVE service without first disabling his modchip he will be banned from LIVE. That's all. Modding is perfectly legal, so MS has very little recourse aside from this.

tommy · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2005, 03:58:24 pm »

Damn, Perfect Dark for XBOX, i was hoping for nintendo to get that one.

dema · « **Reply #13 on:** May 13, 2005, 04:01:35 pm »

Quote from: tommy on May 13, 2005, 03:58:24 pm

Damn, Perfect Dark for XBOX, i was hoping for nintendo to get that one.

ChadTower · « **Reply #14 on:** May 13, 2005, 04:04:25 pm »

I tried playing through Perfect Dark... I'm not big on violent games, though, and put it down after sniping more than a few people.

SOAPboy · « **Reply #15 on:** May 13, 2005, 04:07:13 pm »

Durring the our colony videos, they hit that they want you to bring the thing to life and do this and that..

i really think, that the modding aspect will remain..

And im stoked.. ill be in line on release..

GGKoul · « **Reply #16 on:** May 13, 2005, 04:19:01 pm »

Yes, you couldn't play Xbox Live if you had a mod chip, BUT you could play your burnt game online via Xbox Connect.

SOAPboy · « **Reply #17 on:** May 13, 2005, 04:22:41 pm »

Quote from: GGKoul on May 13, 2005, 04:19:01 pm

Yes, you couldn't play Xbox Live if you had a mod chip, BUT you could play your burnt game online via Xbox Connect.

and on Xlink

which if you used XBMC you could run it just like on XBL except you didnt have to dick around with disks..

tommy · « **Reply #18 on:** May 13, 2005, 04:34:04 pm »

Without RARE I wouldnt have played my N64 as much, 007 ,DK ,PD, its a shame we all cant get along and share RARE.

Nintendo dosent have that much 3rd party support as it is, you would think they would fight for the winners at all cost, like they did with capcom RE.

SOAPboy · « **Reply #19 on:** May 13, 2005, 04:35:54 pm »

Quote from: tommy on May 13, 2005, 04:34:04 pm

Without RARE I wouldnt have played my N64 as much, 007 ,DK ,PD, its a shame we all cant get along and share RARE.

Nintendo dosent have that much 3rd party support as it is, you would think they would fight for the winners at all cost, like they did with capcom RE.

Why?

How many RARE games, were honestly that popular? i can think of 4 maybe..

tommy · « **Reply #20 on:** May 13, 2005, 04:41:09 pm »

I guess you dont own a cube, besides the nintendo classics,EA(sometimes makes a good game) and capcom theres really nothing else, more good games from a good developer like RARE would be nice.

SOAPboy · « **Reply #21 on:** May 13, 2005, 05:02:01 pm »

Quote from: tommy on May 13, 2005, 04:41:09 pm

I guess you dont own a cube, besides the nintendo classics,EA(sometimes makes a good game) and capcom theres really nothing else, more good games from a good developer like RARE would be nice.

i did own a cube.. bought it for 1 game, which wasent made by any of the listed companys..

Eternal Darkness..

Only reason to own a cube imo..

*Disclamer*
Im not saying its a bad system, i just dont like 90% of the games on it.

RoboG2 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 13, 2005, 05:08:39 pm »

The new xbox360 is supposedly at least 5-6 times as powerful!

I...have...a dream! That white consoles... and black consoles... and even chinese consoles... will all be emulated on the new xbox!

tommy · « **Reply #23 on:** May 13, 2005, 05:21:00 pm »

Sorry guys, my undying love for Nintendo comes through in any of my console discussions, XBOX on.

SOAPboy · « **Reply #24 on:** May 13, 2005, 08:27:59 pm »

Quote from: tommy on May 13, 2005, 05:21:00 pm

Sorry guys, my undying love for Nintendo comes through in any of my console discussions, XBOX on.

ray_slup · « **Reply #25 on:** May 13, 2005, 11:59:06 pm »

Quote from: tommy on May 13, 2005, 04:34:04 pm

Without RARE I wouldnt have played my N64 as much, 007 ,DK ,PD, its a shame we all cant get along and share RARE.

Nintendo dosent have that much 3rd party support as it is, you would think they would fight for the winners at all cost, like they did with capcom RE.

I think Rare only came out with one game for the xbox and the people who started Rare left the company (I think

)

mairsil · « **Reply #26 on:** May 14, 2005, 01:09:08 am »

Quote from: tommy on May 13, 2005, 05:21:00 pm

Sorry guys, my undying love for Nintendo comes through in any of my console discussions, XBOX on.

SOAPboy · « **Reply #27 on:** May 14, 2005, 01:27:46 am »

Quote from: mairsil on May 14, 2005, 01:09:08 am

Quote from: tommy on May 13, 2005, 05:21:00 pm
Sorry guys, my undying love for Nintendo comes through in any of my console discussions, XBOX on.

shmokes · « **Reply #28 on:** May 14, 2005, 01:29:40 am »

Wow....you are so offbase. First of all, when Metroid was going first-person I was pissed. Then I played it and it is fantastic and totally Metroid.

Second, look at Xbox 1. How can you do worse? It is the ugliest console in the history of mankind. Maybe it's the ugliest thing ever invented in the history of mankind. It's like Bill Gates said, "WTF? These people are pasty geeks who subside on Mountain Dew and Doritos. They don't care what it looks like." Xbox 360 looks perfectly nice. It's totally competent design. It ain't revolutionary, but it's good design.

Even if you hate Xbox360's look, and there's no reason to IMHO, you have to give them credit for improvement.

mairsil · « **Reply #29 on:** May 14, 2005, 01:49:49 am »

Quote from: shmokes on May 14, 2005, 01:29:40 am

Wow....you are so offbase.

shmokes · « **Reply #30 on:** May 14, 2005, 12:13:50 pm »

There's always Gameboy Advance for 2D Metroid

I just watched the MTV thing. I had recorded it. I have to admit that I didn't think it was as nice looking as the pictures led me to believe. It's quite a bit bigger than I had gathered from the pictures. I still think it looks pretty nice. It's just a little bigger than I expected.

Felsir · « **Reply #31 on:** May 15, 2005, 05:30:30 am »

Quote from: shmokes on May 14, 2005, 12:13:50 pm

There's always Gameboy Advance for 2D Metroid

Yup, and I picked up a 2nd hand Gameboy Player to play it via the Cube. I own a Sanyo homecinema beamer, playing Metroid Fusion or Tetris on 8.2 feet wide screen rocks

ontopic: I couldn't find it anywhere: is the 360 going to be backwards compatible?

DaemonCollector · « **Reply #32 on:** May 15, 2005, 11:43:37 am »

Thats one of the things they havn't announced yet, the other is how much its gonna cost.

pointdablame · « **Reply #33 on:** May 15, 2005, 12:34:35 pm »

The only thing I've read and heard from a few places (I think Gamespot mentions it) is that the Xbox 360 is "definitely capable" of emulation the Xbox. Hardly an announcement or confirmation, but at least there is hope.

My money is on yes... it will be backwards compatible, but we'll just have to wait and see for sure I guess.

Price is a great question mark too. I wonder what they will box with the system, or an even better question, how many different "packs" will be available.

Dave_K. · « **Reply #34 on:** May 15, 2005, 02:48:32 pm »

What about keyboard and mouse support, or native VGA output? These seem more important to me. There is really no sense in drooling over a 3rd gen cones game where you are still stuck with primative analog joystick for movement. When will they ever learn...

pointdablame · « **Reply #35 on:** May 15, 2005, 04:21:56 pm »

There will be keyboard support on the Xbox 360, but for text input only. It will not (at least officially or out of the box) be available as a control method.

It has standard USB 2.0 ports (from what I've read) so mice may be possible, but again, will probably not be officially supported, if possible at all.

I'm not sure about VGA though... I'm sure at teh very least we'll see a VGA box.

shmokes · « **Reply #36 on:** May 16, 2005, 12:14:32 pm »

Seeing as HD is their big thing I would be surprised if there isn't a DVI option for video.

pointdablame · « **Reply #37 on:** May 16, 2005, 02:31:00 pm »

Quote from: shmokes on May 16, 2005, 12:14:32 pm

Seeing as HD is their big thing I would be surprised if there isn't a DVI option for video.

Yeah, I agree.

If it's not on-board, I'd expect a lot of video packs to become available, for DVI and/or HDMI and the like.

My best guess is the video out will be similar to this generation's Xbox with cables avaialble for Composite/svideo/component/DVI/etc.

Felsir · « **Reply #38 on:** May 17, 2005, 04:10:30 am »

Quote from: pointdablame on May 15, 2005, 12:34:35 pm

The only thing I've read and heard from a few places (I think Gamespot mentions it) is that the Xbox 360 is "definitely capable" of emulation the Xbox.

SOAPboy · « **Reply #39 on:** May 17, 2005, 02:03:52 pm »

Quote from: pointdablame on May 15, 2005, 04:21:56 pm

There will be keyboard support on the Xbox 360, but for text input only.


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