Xbox Revolution (MTV showing)

[Goz]

I recorded it and can hook up some of the members up with it. Sorry limited bandwidth, so if interested in it you'll have to PM me.

-Goz

[pointdablame]

the MTV show didn't really give out a lot of info.  You'd probably be better off getting the Microsoft press conference from Gamespot or similar.  I have all 3 press conferences.. haven't had time to watch them all yet though.

[mairsil]

the MTV show didn't really give out a lot of info.

[Felsir]

The only thing I've read and heard from a few places (I think Gamespot mentions it) is that the Xbox 360 is "definitely capable" of emulation the Xbox.

[Otraotaku]

The only thing I've read and heard from a few places (I think Gamespot mentions it) is that the Xbox 360 is "definitely capable" of emulation the Xbox.

[pointdablame]

The xbox press conference stated that the 360 will be backwards compatible "with the Xbox's top selling games"

Online articles and G4 are speculating that they may only allow you (us) to play the top games from Xbox... ie you can play Halo and Halo 2 on X360, but not your entire collection of Xbox games.

[Felsir]

The last day of E3 Microsft representatives admitted that they're not fully backwards compatible because they switched chip architecture. The 360 isn't able to fully emulate the Xbox and therefore games need to be recompiled to run in native 360 code. From a PR perspective one could call it backwards compatible, from a marketing standpoint it is a big mistake to call it backwards compatible.
Microsoft plans to recompile "top selling titles" (read: Halo 1 and 2). Since recompiling requires the original source code (which isn't on the disc) there is no way you can pop in your Halo disc in the X360 and start playing. You either need to buy the "recompiled version" or need to download it via the Live! network.
See also http://www.vnunet.com/2135328

[pointdablame]

The last day of E3 Microsft representatives admitted that they're not fully backwards compatible because they switched chip architecture. The 360 isn't able to fully emulate the Xbox and therefore games need to be recompiled to run in native 360 code. From a PR perspective one could call it backwards compatible, from a marketing standpoint it is a big mistake to call it backwards compatible.
Microsoft plans to recompile "top selling titles" (read: Halo 1 and 2). Since recompiling requires the original source code (which isn't on the disc) there is no way you can pop in your Halo disc in the X360 and start playing. You either need to buy the "recompiled version" or need to download it via the Live! network.
See also http://www.vnunet.com/2135328

I hadn't read that.. interesting.

If that is indeed the case, I'd hardly call that "backwards compatibility" at all.  Even if they give these recompiled versions away for free (unlikely), it is not backwards compatibility.  It's playing a recompiled game heh.

I love how marketing teams turn "backwards compatibility" into anything that can play an old game.... that's called emulation... and they are nothing like each other.

[Otraotaku]

The last day of E3 Microsft representatives admitted that they're not fully backwards compatible because they switched chip architecture. The 360 isn't able to fully emulate the Xbox and therefore games need to be recompiled to run in native 360 code. From a PR perspective one could call it backwards compatible, from a marketing standpoint it is a big mistake to call it backwards compatible.
Microsoft plans to recompile "top selling titles" (read: Halo 1 and 2). Since recompiling requires the original source code (which isn't on the disc) there is no way you can pop in your Halo disc in the X360 and start playing. You either need to buy the "recompiled version" or need to download it via the Live! network.
See also http://www.vnunet.com/2135328

I hadn't read that.. interesting.

If that is indeed the case, I'd hardly call that "backwards compatibility" at all.

[pointdablame]

My guess is Xbox360 would  have trouble emulating Xbox games because the systems are not that much different.  Now before people kill me, what I mean is the technology is rather close to each other compared to say... teh Revolution and the NES.

The Revolution can emulate NES/SNES/etc just as a PC today can.  The X360 is (for this argument) a very high end PC.... and they cannot currently emulate Xbox games.

With the PS3, they are NOT emulating the games.... you are using the original media.  I know that the PS2 had many, if not all, of the processors from the PS1 built it... so it was no problem for the PS2 to act like a PS1.  I'm not sure of the specifics of PS3, but I would say what makes them have "no problems" with PS2 games is the fact that there will be some similar CPUs or processes in the system... either that or the Cell truly is powerful enough to emulate the PS2 hardware.

Either way, for my money, it seems that only PS3 and Nintendo (at least with Gamecube)is truly backwards compatible.  Everything else is a totally different ballgame.

[Felsir]

I think you're right: I have seen newsreports (like this onehere) that Sony was able to produce the entire PS2 on one chip. This is what lead to the smaller PStwo design. If they include that chip in the PS3, backwards compatibility is a fact. I wouldn't be too surprised if Nintende is able to do something similar.
XBox on the other hand is based on PC architecture - not too easy to recreate in one chip. A it requires lots of muscle power to 'emulate' a recent PC.
Don't get me wrong- this is no XBox bashing, I really like the XBox (I own all three systems) and I will probably get a X360 too, it would have been nice to swap boxes instead of adding another.

[spiffyshoes]

Since the XBOX 360 has USB ports on it now do you guys think the new House of the Dead that will be coming out for it will work with a GunCon2?

[pointdablame]

Since the XBOX 360 has USB ports on it now do you guys think the new House of the Dead that will be coming out for it will work with a GunCon2?

Any peripherals for the Xbox360 have to be specifically supported by the system, which includes drivers.

There are USB ports on there, but for lack of a better term, they are partly crippled.  You probably won't be able to use a GunCon2 unless someone finds out how to hack the system and install unofficial drivers for unofficial peripherals.

[spiffyshoes]

Well I realized it would need to have special drivers.  But I figured the drivers are probably in the software right?  So if the people making House of the Dead Wanted to put them in the software with their game you'd think it would work right?  But now that I think about it the new XBOX is supposed to have HD output only so it probably wouldn't have the composit cable needed for the guncon2.  Oh well guess we'll just probably have to live with cruddy MadCatz lightguns.