Author Topic: Discussion: Ultracade and the Mame Trademark (Read 126567 times)

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #320 on:** February 23, 2005, 11:35:50 pm »

1- Goodtime Novelty was doing business as Chicago Gaming Company towards the end of 2004.

M3talhead · « **Reply #321 on:** February 24, 2005, 12:42:27 am »

Quote from: Gozur on February 23, 2005, 10:56:38 pm

So we need more referrences to Ultracade. Maybe periodically a link to an ultracade page.

Maybe it can be #1 if we truly apply ourselves

-Goz

..Or, we could all start referring to it as "the 'u' word".

Thenasty · « **Reply #322 on:** February 24, 2005, 10:13:11 am »

Quote from: Shape D. on February 24, 2005, 10:09:51 am

If I click on that ultrafacade Pays Google Money, and Google in turn pays Saint a % of that.

DreamArcades · « **Reply #323 on:** February 24, 2005, 04:01:23 pm »

Just don't click on the Dream Arcades Link, unless you are really interested. If everyone clicked on my link I'd be in big trouble. =-)

SirPoonga · « **Reply #324 on:** February 24, 2005, 04:56:05 pm »

Quote from: DreamArcades on February 24, 2005, 04:01:23 pm

Just don't click on the Dream Arcades Link, unless you are really interested. If everyone clicked on my link I'd be in big trouble. =-)

Already did because it came up NEXT to the ultracade ad

BTW, clicking on an ad is a fixed rate I think. And the ultracade ad is a link to bmigaming, not sure if ultracade gets anything if oyu click on the ad at all. My guess is ultracade has to pay bmigaming for the advertising.

emdkay · « **Reply #325 on:** February 24, 2005, 06:17:34 pm »

I believe you basically set a maximum amount of monthly funding that you're willing to pay per click.

emdkay · « **Reply #326 on:** February 24, 2005, 06:22:18 pm »

BTW, I won't be commenting much further on the Foley situation. I would however like to see the topic of this post changed as I'd like to link to it from my home page.

Suggestion...

Do not deal with Ultracade - Attempted Mame Trademark Theft & Fraud

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #327 on:** February 24, 2005, 09:05:04 pm »

Quote from: emdkay on February 24, 2005, 06:22:18 pm

Do not deal with Ultracade - Attempted Mame Trademark Theft & Fraud

Don't buy an Arcade Legends machine either. We all should be clear and name ALL of Foley's products. Especially when Ultracade is more for commercial use while "Arcade Legends" is more for home use. They're all run by the same jacka55.

KevSteele · « **Reply #328 on:** February 24, 2005, 09:14:14 pm »

Just so you all know, I will never be reviewing any of their products.

(Not that they'd even talk to me now, but even so...

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #329 on:** February 24, 2005, 10:48:25 pm »

Arcade Legends
*cough* Shill bid *cough*

"User ID kept Private"

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #330 on:** February 25, 2005, 07:36:55 am »

Quote

" We all should be clear and name ALL of Foley's products."

I was browsing through the new Happ's site last night and came across this "Universal Video Converter", which apparently allows you to run any monitor from any PC signal.

Sounded interesting ... until I got to "Universal Video Converter is a trademark of UltraCade Technologies"

I'll be sticking with Andy's ArcadeVGA boards, thanks ...

Cheers,

JAKD

Thenasty · « **Reply #331 on:** February 25, 2005, 08:09:11 am »

Quote from: KevSteele on February 24, 2005, 09:14:14 pm

Just so you all know, I will never be reviewing any of their products.

(Not that they'd even talk to me now, but even so...

GGKoul · « **Reply #332 on:** February 25, 2005, 09:52:02 am »

Quote from: KevSteele on February 24, 2005, 09:14:14 pm

Just so you all know, I will never be reviewing any of their products.

(Not that they'd even talk to me now, but even so...

KevSteele · « **Reply #333 on:** February 25, 2005, 11:21:44 am »

Quote from: GGKoul on February 25, 2005, 09:52:02 am

Quote from: KevSteele on February 24, 2005, 09:14:14 pm
Just so you all know, I will never be reviewing any of their products.

(Not that they'd even talk to me now, but even so...

rchadd · « **Reply #334 on:** February 25, 2005, 11:41:29 am »

could i trademark the name "Arcade Leg Ends"?

nighthawk2099 · « **Reply #335 on:** February 25, 2005, 11:57:33 am »

I think we should TM the word "CADE". Then send a letter Mr. Foley to stop his use of the word.........

Then he would have to call the company

"UltraThingAmabob"

(TM)
Nighthakw2099 (TM)

JoyMonkey · « **Reply #336 on:** February 25, 2005, 12:49:57 pm »

Am I understanding this correctly? Dave Foley is saying that he has paid some emulator developers to license portions of source code for use by Quantum3D with Ultracade- right?

From the Ultracade site:

Quote

We have licensed technology from many of the community

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #337 on:** February 25, 2005, 07:34:36 pm »

Might want to start with author of the frontend Ultrastyle. Foley's "Arcade Legends" Machines appear to use it (or something close). I wonder if that Chris guy knows? Maybe he stole it from Foley? Beats me. I've never used that front end before and don't know the history of it.

http://www.mameworld.net/ultrastyle/history.html - at bottom of page -
compare the screenshots to:
http://www.quarterarcade.com/GamePicture.aspx?c=&g=3569&o=4&m=0 - have to look close -

IMO, nobody should ever touch "Arcade Legends", Ultracade, Chicago Gaming or have anything to do with Foley's Nextune crap.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #338 on:** February 25, 2005, 07:40:52 pm »

Quote from: Crazy Cooter on February 25, 2005, 07:34:36 pm

Might want to start with author of the frontend Ultrastyle. Foley's "Arcade Legends" Machines appear to use it (or something close). I wonder if that Chris guy knows? Maybe he stole it from Foley? Beats me. I've never used that front end before and don't know the history of it.

Goto the software forum, search for the announcement post of him releasing this FE. Alot of people have wanted an ultracade like FE. He made one like it.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #339 on:** February 25, 2005, 08:14:36 pm »

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=140128&cid=11751164

Bones · « **Reply #340 on:** February 25, 2005, 09:03:04 pm »

I wonder if a printout of this thread is being carried around in someones suitcase to be used somehow, somewhere?

Maybe they are watching us. Maybe we are all next. The time has come to....huh, someone

KevSteele · « **Reply #341 on:** February 25, 2005, 09:43:40 pm »

I've just posted my thoughts on the situation for all to read:

http://www.retroblast.com/

Hopefully there's enough in the RetroBlast "review fund" to cover any retaliatory litigation...

Kevin

Popcorrin · « **Reply #342 on:** February 25, 2005, 10:53:12 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on February 25, 2005, 08:14:36 pm

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=140128&cid=11751164

This guy is all about one thing and that is money.
In previous letters he writes that everything about mame is illegal, and he goes so far to shutdown auctions that mention mame. Now he is talking about selling roms thru a new venture of his. I wonder what emulator he will advertise that these roms will work with, you know with mame being illegal and all?

I just hope the mame devs do nothing to work with this weasel. If they have to change the name of mame so be it. IMO it's better than giving this crook a single thing that he wants. I can't believe he takes the name mame hostage and then tries to come off sounding like he did it for the good of the community.

I read somewhere before that ultracade had it's very own emulator and I assumed that was true, but since Foley has shown his true colors I am guessing he probably borrowed the code for the ultracade emulator! I wish there was a way to find out.

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #343 on:** February 26, 2005, 12:09:23 am »

Foley's post goes like this:
Quit picking on me... I'm not the bad guy here... you are... by the way I'm "Working on accelerating the rollout of our iROMs(TM) service to bring ROM distribution to the MAME community, following the music industries success in content distribution. We have put together a business model and later this summer will start to roll out affordable, legal ROM images for personal use on PC's running emulation software."

What a joke.

Fat_Trucker · « **Reply #344 on:** February 26, 2005, 05:20:18 am »

Surely this would eliminate the argument that competeing machines sold on e-bay are dubious??.

If he intends to roll out a pay-per rom service specifically for users of MAME then anyone can legally compete with his business by advertising systems that can operate with multiple roms can't they?.

I was as incensed as everyone else about what he tried to do and no doubt he is still just trying to make a fast buck from the MAME community. However it won't necessarily be a bad thing in the long term.

I'm not interested in lining Foley's pockets and I wouldn't use his iRoms service (unless MAMEdevs hammer out a deal where they get a percentage of any sales). It does pave the way for other people to launch competing ROM services and to compete in the Cab market though.

The lack of (affordable) legitimately available ROMs is the only dubious part of this hobby and it would be nice to see that particular situation resolved.
As someone stated earlier in the thread, MAMEing is becoming increasingly popular and it would only be a matter of time before corporate heads started looking in this direction. Much better if legitimate services can be up and running before anyone else decides to try to hijack the scene for profit.

Still would rather see the profits from ROM sales going directly to MAMEdev and or the original authors though. At the end of the day they have invested years of graft into this thing and fully deserve any returns. Perhaps some kind soul with the knowledge and contacts will help them out, or maybe other enthusiasts will launch competing services.....I hope so.

Now that MAMEdev are involved directly I think we need to wait and see what develops. Too much speculation could ultimately be counter-productive.

Its a shame really that Foley has dragged his name through the mud on the issue. If they had simply stayed out of the equation and just quietly launched an iRoms service they would probably have been on to a real winner.

DarkSoul1 · « **Reply #345 on:** February 26, 2005, 08:47:26 am »

Are Mr. Foley's cabinets based on a specific design that may be licenced to someone else? Perhaps someone could apply for a patent/trademark over his particular style of cabinet AND THEN STOP HIM USING THEM.

Totally disgusted by this guy's attempt to hijack the MAME scene.

RetroJames · « **Reply #346 on:** February 26, 2005, 09:14:18 am »

Open Letter to the Slashdot / MAME Community (Score:2, Informative)
by davidrfoley (861405) on Tuesday February 22, @07:57PM (#11751164)
I'd like to take a moment and respond to the dribble that has been sent our way in response to this weekend's flurry about our trademark application with regards to MAME. I'd appreciate it if this would be spread to the same websites, blogs, and newsgroups that the unfounded rumors were that resulted in the very juvenile attacks on me personally, and my company. I have been in communication with one of the original MAME authors, and we are will be working together to ensure that the MAME trademark is assigned to the proper individuals and protect it from commercial exploitation, as was our intent all along. We have even offered to pay for all costs associated with that process. During the past three days, I have received many personal attacks and insults from several immature individuals that read a simple headline, and then go off on a child like rant about what they think we are doing. This was followed by several denial of service attacks on our corporate resources, phone calls to my office and cell phone. I received 270 emails in response to this. Most of them were single line insults against me personally. A few were misguided, but well articulated remarks. Even fewer were questions, asking for more information. I took the time to answer each and every message personally, explaining the facts. Many return to email addresses were not valid. Some people refused to listen to my explanation, or didn't care to believe what I told them. A few even apologized for their statements and we started a productive dialog and exchange of ideas. In summary, what we are doing moving forward is: Working directly with the original authors to secure the TM assigned in their name and protect the mark from commercial exploitation as expressed in the MAME distribution license Continuing to work with all major publishers to eliminate all illegal distribution of ROMs. Working on accelerating the rollout of our iROMs(TM) service to bring ROM distribution to the MAME community, following the music industries success in content distribution. We have put together a business model and later this summer will start to roll out affordable, legal ROM images for personal use on PC's running emulation software. We are working with all of the major publishers to get as much contact as possible, available to the general public. Continuing to police eBay and the Internet for sites that reference unlicensed games

danny_galaga · « **Reply #347 on:** February 26, 2005, 09:26:49 am »

i really hate to say ' i told you so' but i recall some guys here saying that no one would EVER bother trying to crack down on MAME. I'm sad that it's happening, but it was never out of the question...

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #348 on:** February 26, 2005, 10:29:34 am »

ROM's haven't been proven to be illegal. They haven't been to court. It's just been courtesy that the ROM sites pull them down when asked. There is no way I will use an iROM service from this guy, even if the MAME dev's get "a cut". It's their emulator, not his. He's trying to bully himself into a middleman position.

His statement:
"I have been in communication with one of the original MAME authors, and we are will be working together to ensure that the MAME trademark is assigned to the proper individuals and protect it from commercial exploitation"

Who are these "proper individuals" he is talking about? And who is one of the "original authors"? Did he find someone that contributed something in the beginning, but now is pissed and they want to try and take the whole thing away?

KevSteele · « **Reply #349 on:** February 26, 2005, 10:34:52 am »

Aaron Giles is working to get the MAME trademark assigned to Nicolas. I have no idea what level of "cooperation" they are offering to Mr. Foley.

Until I see confirmation that he has withdrawn his trademark application, I don't really trust anything he has to say...

Kevin

SirPoonga · « **Reply #350 on:** February 26, 2005, 11:17:42 am »

How does creating iRoms stop people form selling mame cabinets on ebay? Doesn;t it encourage it then?

_Iz- · « **Reply #351 on:** February 26, 2005, 11:29:17 am »

it protects foley's revenue stream...

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #352 on:** February 26, 2005, 11:43:22 am »

IMO, this whole thing is Foley's attempt to roll out his iROM's thing. I think starroms should try to capitalize on this. They have the respected name to pull it off, I (for one) will boycott it completely if it has anything to do with Foley, Ultracade, or Arcade Legends. I hope that any company even thinking about this will take what Foley has done into consideration.

Yes, it encourages it. What Foley is trying to do (speculation) is get the MAME devs to let him use MAME as a promotion for his products while pushing everyone else out. That way he gets money from each angle. I really hope the MAME dev's don't give in to this clown.

M3talhead · « **Reply #353 on:** February 26, 2005, 12:08:40 pm »

I'm still pissed about the whole "Maybe we can come to some arrangement over royalties...." remark.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #354 on:** February 26, 2005, 12:10:05 pm »

Quote from: BrokenBones1 on February 25, 2005, 09:03:04 pm

Edit: *Wishes he owned a handgun.

That bat of yours doesn't really help laying under the bed after all, does it? (sorry, couldn't resist

)

THROW A BULLET AT HIM!

And the constant backpedaling by this dude is testament to him realizing he's in the wrong and is trying to save face without letting go of his righteous indignation and moral outrage at all the "crooks" out there "stealing sales from him".

Maybe it's just his outrageous prices and nutjob attitude that comes through to potential customers, eh Dave?

geomartin · « **Reply #355 on:** February 26, 2005, 12:44:55 pm »

I began pouring through the Ultracade site this morning after reading some of Mr Foley's replies. I noticed something interesting in his advertisement for the Ultracade. If you look at Arcade Products/Ultracade Multi Game System/Individual Game Paks you can read the following from about individual Game Paks he offers "Many times, the games are not available for license, however the original game boards are still

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #356 on:** February 26, 2005, 12:50:05 pm »

You might want to scribble that out Drew...

geomartin · « **Reply #357 on:** February 26, 2005, 12:51:59 pm »

Ooops!

daywane · « **Reply #358 on:** February 26, 2005, 01:26:32 pm »

I cant stand it....
Jerks name = David Foley
My name = David Farley

RetroJames · « **Reply #359 on:** February 26, 2005, 09:59:47 pm »

Quote from: geomartin on February 26, 2005, 12:44:55 pm

I began pouring through the Ultracade site this morning after reading some of Mr Foley's replies.


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