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Any bowlers here?
« on: December 02, 2015, 12:21:43 pm »
Have a bowling ball I've had for a few years now, it's been losing it's reaction on the lane, hook isn't anything near what it started out as.

Just picked up some Abralon 500 grit pads on Amazon, going to try to get some hook back.

Anyone else have some experience with this?

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2015, 12:22:31 pm »
Last time I answered that I was on latrine duty for weeks.  Not again!

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2015, 12:26:47 pm »
Last time I answered that I was on latrine duty for weeks.  Not again!

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2015, 12:28:42 pm »
Last time I answered that I was on latrine duty for weeks.  Not again!

Huh?
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If you answered yes to that during basic training you were assigned latrine duty.  Shitters, showers, sinks.

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2015, 12:30:16 pm »
Last time I answered that I was on latrine duty for weeks.  Not again!

Huh?
Humor: missplaced.

If you answered yes to that during basic training you were assigned latrine duty.  Shitters, showers, sinks.



Ah yes, the age old, who wants to join the "bowling team!"...oh you silly Drill Sargent.

Haven't had any experience myself, but once it's ready i'm down to hit up the new D&B over at westgate to test it  ;D
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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2015, 03:04:42 pm »
Have a bowling ball I've had for a few years now, it's been losing it's reaction on the lane, hook isn't anything near what it started out as.

Just picked up some Abralon 500 grit pads on Amazon, going to try to get some hook back.

Anyone else have some experience with this?
It needs "rejuvenating".. the surface is porous and has absorbed too much oil and the reaction is dulled.  Modern balls (those made in the last 5 or 6 years) need this at least once a year.  Most pro shops can do it, but if you feel brave you can do it yourself in your oven.. Just set it to a warm mode (around 130-150 degrees and stick the ball in there for a half hour.. OR leave it in your trunk on a really hot day).  Wipe off the oil that sweats out and it will react like new again.  **This can damage your ball if it gets too hot or heats or cools too quickly**  Add a good cleaning with a chemical that will remove dirt and oil and it will be even better.

I never felt comfortable doing this myself so I take it to the pro shop and usually pay around $10 to have it done.  Only problem for me is then the ball reacts TOO much because it is like new again.  Takes a few games to soak up enough oil to dull it down to where I like it.  I have been throwing a DV8 Misfit for a few years now and when fresh it is insane, especially up here where lanes are usually dry as hell.  Most often by the third game it is so dry (especially with 10 right handers all throwing similar shots) that I am having a tough time keeping it in the pocket without speeding it up 4-5 mph (which I can no longer do after 3 games.. getting old sucks). 

I haven't bowled this year yet because I am still recovering from my surgery (had the ulna in my forearm shortened so I could grip my ball or a pliers without pain) and had some issues with my back too.  I am back to about 70% strength in my right arm but the moment I slack on physical therapy it drops back again, which sucks.  Several months later and I still don't even have the same strength as I do in my left hand.  I might give it a shot this weekend, just to see if I can, a recent injection in my back seemed to help more than any previous so I am confident I can get through 3 games without having to load up on Ibuprofen and alcohol...  My team is holding my spot and gave me til January. 

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2015, 03:08:34 pm »
I put them in the dishwasher from time to time to sweat some of the oil out.  Short cycle, holes facing down so no pooling water, and air dry (no heated dry). 

Gets me a little bit back, but not enough. 

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2015, 03:09:28 pm »
Last time I answered that I was on latrine duty for weeks.  Not again!

Huh?
Humor: missplaced.

If you answered yes to that during basic training you were assigned latrine duty.  Shitters, showers, sinks.

Ahh, lol.  I don't recall that from boot camp, but then again, that was almost 20 yrs ago. 

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2015, 03:20:29 pm »
I put them in the dishwasher from time to time to sweat some of the oil out.  Short cycle, holes facing down so no pooling water, and air dry (no heated dry). 

Gets me a little bit back, but not enough.
Like I said, I wouldn't put mine in the oven myself, but I swear by rejuvenation.

When I was first told I needed to do a rejuvenation, I thought I was being punked.  I had bowled a tournament the weekend before and I was cranking the ball as hard as I could and getting 3-5 boards of break (normally the shot would have gone off the lane 15 feet before the head pin the way I was throwing).  I was pissed, and later that week at league when it was doing the same thing, I took it down to the pro-shop (mid game) and threw the ball down and told the owner to throw it away and order me a new one.  After I accepted that rejuvenation was a real thing, I was amazed at how much the ball changed.. It seriously was like brand new when I got it back.  Saved me the $190 I was ready to drop to get a ball that reacts again.

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2015, 07:38:32 pm »
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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2015, 07:20:52 am »
Move to New England and you won't have to worry about hook.


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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2015, 09:14:23 am »
Candlestick bowling?

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2015, 09:52:46 am »
Candlestick bowling?

Ha! Close. Candlepin. 

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2015, 10:01:59 am »
When I was a kid sometimes we would go duckpin bowling (back in Virginia).  I don't think they have anything like that here out west.

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2015, 10:19:40 am »
How many bowling balls do I need?  I'm on a budget.


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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2015, 10:38:48 am »
When I was a kid sometimes we would go duckpin bowling (back in Virginia).  I don't think they have anything like that here out west.

Candlepin and duckpin are both very regional. Duckpin is a bit more spread out geographically though. Candlepin is tough to find outside of the northeast.

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2015, 10:42:09 am »
How many bowling balls do I need?  I'm on a budget.

I have 2, they ran me about $300 altogether. 

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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2015, 11:15:11 am »
How many bowling balls do I need?  I'm on a budget.
lol, yeah, 2 minimum, 3 or more if you are serious about it.  A main strike ball, a corner pin ball, and maybe a ball for different conditions or if the machine eats your strike ball when it breaks down, lol.

A long time ago I bowled a summer league with my wife and a good friend (3 person teams).  She had never bowled before.  My buddy walks into the bowling alley and seems me and my wife standing at the counter.  In effort to make a quip about how I am cheap when it comes to my wife, he says, "Hey Kim, how come your husband has two balls and you don't have any?"  I just laughed until he realized what he just said.

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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2015, 11:24:25 am »
How many bowling balls do I need?  I'm on a budget.

 :cheers:

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2015, 08:53:57 pm »
Just show it to the guy at the pro shop. He'll either resurface and suck the oil out or suggest it's time for a new one. Perhaps let him watch you throw a few first.
You just need 2. I don't want to carry more than that! If you have a cart you have too many.  Get a plastic ball for certain spares. A good reaction ball and a plastic ball shouldn't be more than $250.
I have yet to bowl a 300 for real..or in World Class Bowling..Ive come close though.

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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2015, 05:48:25 pm »
How many bowling balls do I need?  I'm on a budget.

nice.  :cheers:

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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2015, 03:49:19 am »
I've found this conversation fascinating.  I will say that it's a poor artist that blames his tools.  I've never bowled with a league before but I used to enjoy playing fairly regularly.  I used the crappy rented shoes and balls.  Managed to get in the high 200's every game.  I think people take it too seriously and that negatively effects their score. 

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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2015, 11:05:58 am »
I've found this conversation fascinating.  I will say that it's a poor artist that blames his tools.  I've never bowled with a league before but I used to enjoy playing fairly regularly.  I used the crappy rented shoes and balls.  Managed to get in the high 200's every game.  I think people take it too seriously and that negatively effects their score.
Do you go golfing with a stick and get hole in ones much of the time too?

Golf and Bowling share a lot of similarities.  Both are games you play against yourself, your opponent's performance doesn't directly affect your own score or performance.  The slightest changes in condition can greatly affect your shot.  No matter how long you practice, perfection is unattainable.  Like any sport, there has to be some inherently natural athletic ability to excel.  Finally, equipment from 50 years ago until today has changed dramatically, allowing for someone with a less than perfect swing to achieve shots that would have been impossible a few decades ago.  If anything, Bowling ball technology has had an even bigger impact on performance and consistency than Golf club and ball technology.  Different reactive surfaces, different cores, different materials, and even the geometry used in drilling the ball are all HUGE when it comes to how the ball will work on any given lane/condition.

After thousands of games thrown and tens of thousands of games witnessed, I can say with 100% confidence that throwing a plastic ball straight into the pocket is far less likely to result in a strike than throwing a reactive ball into the pocket at the proper angle (one that can't be reached from a straight shot). 

I have bowled for about 35 years now, and at my peak I was a ~190 average.  I never had much athletic ability, and I never had the commitment to bowl so often that I could keep my skill up.  My best game is only a 288, and I have had several 279's (one spare mid game) but never a perfect 300.  I just don't have the focus and by the 8th or 9th strike I get inside my own head and make the slightest mistake that sends the ball a half inch in the wrong direction and miss the strike.  I bowl with several bowlers who have thrown dozens of 300's in their lives and average well into the 220's.  Around here that isn't all that easy because lane conditions are never very good, the climate swings in Montana can mean a lane that is perfect one week can be as dry as a concrete sidewalk the next, and depending on humidity and temperature, can dry up from one game to the next so much that you have to make a 20 board adjustment to your shot to stay in the pocket. 

The thing is, you can be the most consistent shot in the world, but the shot that gets a strike one frame may not the next because everything has changed.  The other bowlers have shifted the oil around with their own shots, the pinsetters don't set the pins down perfectly every time, the pins each are slightly different and will react differently to being hit, oil evaporates off the lane as you bowl.  Even if your ball ends up hitting the same exact spot at the same exact speed, angle, and spin as your last shot, you could end up leaving several pins.  This game is as much mental as it is about the ball you throw, and your equipment is just as important as your ability to adjust each shot and predict where it will go.


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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2015, 01:55:41 pm »
Even if your ball ends up hitting the same exact spot at the same exact speed, angle, and spin as your last shot, you could end up leaving several pins.

I've always said those pins "need another coat of paint"

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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2015, 02:22:26 pm »
Abralon 500 pads came, took some time and wet sanded my strike ball with it.  Tonight is league night, will report back.   :cheers:

Great thing is if I overdid it and the hook is too much, I can just resand at a higher grit and reduce the grip.

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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2015, 02:47:34 pm »
I've found this conversation fascinating.  I will say that it's a poor artist that blames his tools.  I've never bowled with a league before but I used to enjoy playing fairly regularly.  I used the crappy rented shoes and balls.  Managed to get in the high 200's every game.  I think people take it too seriously and that negatively effects their score.
Do you go golfing with a stick and get hole in ones much of the time too?

Golf and Bowling share a lot of similarities.  Both are games you play against yourself, your opponent's performance doesn't directly affect your own score or performance.  The slightest changes in condition can greatly affect your shot.  No matter how long you practice, perfection is unattainable.  Like any sport, there has to be some inherently natural athletic ability to excel.  Finally, equipment from 50 years ago until today has changed dramatically, allowing for someone with a less than perfect swing to achieve shots that would have been impossible a few decades ago.  If anything, Bowling ball technology has had an even bigger impact on performance and consistency than Golf club and ball technology.  Different reactive surfaces, different cores, different materials, and even the geometry used in drilling the ball are all HUGE when it comes to how the ball will work on any given lane/condition.

After thousands of games thrown and tens of thousands of games witnessed, I can say with 100% confidence that throwing a plastic ball straight into the pocket is far less likely to result in a strike than throwing a reactive ball into the pocket at the proper angle (one that can't be reached from a straight shot). 

I have bowled for about 35 years now, and at my peak I was a ~190 average.  I never had much athletic ability, and I never had the commitment to bowl so often that I could keep my skill up.  My best game is only a 288, and I have had several 279's (one spare mid game) but never a perfect 300.  I just don't have the focus and by the 8th or 9th strike I get inside my own head and make the slightest mistake that sends the ball a half inch in the wrong direction and miss the strike.  I bowl with several bowlers who have thrown dozens of 300's in their lives and average well into the 220's.  Around here that isn't all that easy because lane conditions are never very good, the climate swings in Montana can mean a lane that is perfect one week can be as dry as a concrete sidewalk the next, and depending on humidity and temperature, can dry up from one game to the next so much that you have to make a 20 board adjustment to your shot to stay in the pocket. 

The thing is, you can be the most consistent shot in the world, but the shot that gets a strike one frame may not the next because everything has changed.  The other bowlers have shifted the oil around with their own shots, the pinsetters don't set the pins down perfectly every time, the pins each are slightly different and will react differently to being hit, oil evaporates off the lane as you bowl.  Even if your ball ends up hitting the same exact spot at the same exact speed, angle, and spin as your last shot, you could end up leaving several pins.  This game is as much mental as it is about the ball you throw, and your equipment is just as important as your ability to adjust each shot and predict where it will go.

Well all of that would make sense except... like I said, used the crappy rental stuff and always got high 200's  I'm not that good of a bowler either.  Bowling is a very easy game up until those bonus frames, if you can't get the regular sets without a 300 dollar ball, might I suggest curling.  ;)  Your analogy makes zero sense btw... the equivalent for golf would be rental clubs.  Mind you I don't play golf because it's too snooty, but I have seen people play really well with crap clubs.   

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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2015, 03:04:25 pm »
$300 for 2, but anyway.

Best thing having your own equipment does for you?  Adds consistency.  When I put my shoes on, I know how they are going to slide. I know how my ball feels on my hand, how the holes are drilled for my fingers, how it releases, how the ball reacts, etc. 

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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2015, 04:34:52 pm »
See now that is a sensible answer.  Fair enough.

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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2015, 05:02:41 pm »
Well all of that would make sense except... like I said, used the crappy rental stuff and always got high 200's  I'm not that good of a bowler either.  Bowling is a very easy game up until those bonus frames, if you can't get the regular sets without a 300 dollar ball, might I suggest curling.  ;)  Your analogy makes zero sense btw... the equivalent for golf would be rental clubs.  Mind you I don't play golf because it's too snooty, but I have seen people play really well with crap clubs.
If you could consistently bowl high 200's with a plastic house ball you could be one of the top 5 bowlers in the U.S.  A 240-260 game is missing 2 strikes (mid-game) out of 10 frames (but still closing them).  Unless you are bowling by Amish standards, you aren't picking up a plastic ball and getting the 9-11 strikes per game required for high 200's.  Sorry, I'm sure you have had some high games, but this is too much of a big fish story to even come close to believing.  Hey, I have thrown plenty of 279 games, and I have even had some stellar series, but even after a really good night of bowling I will come back a couple days later and end up with a 500 series and go home wondering how I could go from near perfection to mediocrity in so short a time.  Anyone can get lucky once, and just when you think you have it figured out you learn how much luck can influence a series and how little you really know about making adjustments to your game. 

BTW, anyone who can hit a good golf game with crappy clubs would improve their game by several strokes with a good set of clubs.  In golf, good quality equipment isn't snake oil, it's proven technology that can be used to improve a game.  In bowling, it's even more influential.  The best bowlers in the world would lose 30-50 pins off their average (or much more) with plastic balls over the reactive balls with offset cores - it makes even that much more of a difference.

I bowled with a guy who had a 240 average with his right hand and established a 190 average with his left.  Just because he could bowl really well left handed didn't mean he should just bowl left handed. 

You don't have to spend a lot -- $130 will buy a perfectly good strike ball and $30 will get you a perfectly good spare ball for corner pins.  From there, money you spend is to fine tune your game for different conditions but the results are mostly diminishing.  It is more important to find the RIGHT ball for you, whether it is the $300 ball or the $130 ball. 
A few years ago I got back into the game after a 4 year break.  I bought a new ball and I was a sniper with it.  I could put that ball within a quarter inch of wherever I wanted it, every time.  But even though I could bury it in the pocket 10 out of 10 times, 70% of the time it left a 10 pin (and I averaged at least 1 7-10 split per series).  I grew to hate that ball.  I am still deadly accurate with it but something about it combined with my shot leaves 10 pins all day long.  So I changed to a different ball and although my accuracy dropped a lot (more aggressive ball, less predictable on the oil), my strike average increased twofold.  I picked up 15 pins of average once the ball was broken in and I never looked back.  When it got saturated and needed rejuvenation I grabbed that older one and was again in the pocket every shot but the nightmare of the 10's came back and I remembered why I switched.

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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2015, 05:08:06 pm »
Best thing having your own equipment does for you?  Adds consistency.  When I put my shoes on, I know how they are going to slide. I know how my ball feels on my hand, how the holes are drilled for my fingers, how it releases, how the ball reacts, etc.
This is true, but it isn't the whole story.  You simply can't achieve the averages with cheap plastic house balls as you can with any decent reactive ball.  If you could, then pros would use plastic balls.  None do.  Not a single one, at least not for strike shots, because even a perfect straight shot is going to leave pins standing more often than with a ball that is transferring more energy into the pins.

To not use a reactive ball would be to handicap yourself against those who do.  Simple as that.

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2015, 12:33:31 pm »
Well all of that would make sense except... like I said, used the crappy rental stuff and always got high 200's  I'm not that good of a bowler either.  Bowling is a very easy game up until those bonus frames, if you can't get the regular sets without a 300 dollar ball, might I suggest curling.  ;)  Your analogy makes zero sense btw... the equivalent for golf would be rental clubs.  Mind you I don't play golf because it's too snooty, but I have seen people play really well with crap clubs.
If you could consistently bowl high 200's with a plastic house ball you could be one of the top 5 bowlers in the U.S.


He's probably bowling on the lanes with the bumpers...

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2015, 01:05:28 pm »
This is a completely true story with zero exaggeration (honestly, not being sarcastic in the least).

I went ice fishing once.  I was 15.  I was in Minnesota with my father staying at a little cabin on a lake.  The lake was maybe a mile across and there were probably 30 guys out there fishing, mostly people who had nice cabins and lived year round on the lake.  It was late winter and the sun was shining and it was a nice day to be outside.  But I was bored so I grabbed one of those little poles and walked out on the ice.  I found a hole left by someone a few days before, put a worm on the hook and dropped it in the water.  A minute later I pulled a fish out.  I looked down the hole and there was a beam of sunlight about 10 feet down cutting across directly under my hole.  Flirting in and out of the beam I could see a whole school of fish swimming around.  I dropped the line back down and wiggled the lure in that beam.  It would flicker and BAM, a fish would bite.  I pulled 40 fish out in just under an hour.  By the time I finished I had an audience of 10+ old farts who had been sitting for hours with maybe 1 or 2 fish in their bucket.  Although they marveled at my overflowing bucket, I got bored and left.  The guys watching practically got into a fight over who got that hole after I walked away.

In my "extensive" ice fishing experience, it is the easiest thing in the world.  I can't imagine how anyone could want to do it because it is boring and insanely easy and fish don't taste good anyway.  It takes no skill and anyone can walk up and catch enough fish to eat for a week.

See, anyone can draw a conclusion.

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2015, 03:28:25 pm »
I've found this conversation fascinating.  I will say that it's a poor artist that blames his tools.  I've never bowled with a league before but I used to enjoy playing fairly regularly.  I used the crappy rented shoes and balls.  Managed to get in the high 200's every game.  I think people take it too seriously and that negatively effects their score.

Howard, are you sure you aren't mistaken?

I know that pro tournament lanes are really over-oiled and so amateur scores can't be accurately compared to PBA scores, but still...

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Re: Any bowlers here?
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2015, 08:45:34 pm »
I know that pro tournament lanes are really over-oiled and so amateur scores can't be accurately compared to PBA scores
This is true, the patterns they oil for pro tournaments are VERY tough.  In typical house leagues the pattern allows for a lot of mistakes.  The outsides are dry and the middle is oily, so if you go too far out your ball will snap in harder, go too close to the middle and your ball won't react as much.  In a pro tourney it is either even or inverted, so you have to throw consistently within a few eighths of an inch to be competitive and have to know how to adjust almost instantly to any conditions.  Takes bowling dozens of games per day for many years.  A few teammates and league-mates over the years have tried to go pro but quickly discovered that a 240 average in league converts to about a 190 average in pro. 

Of course, that's the thing here, with a straight ball, oil doesn't matter.  You don't have to worry about hooking the ball.  So if Howard can regularly throw high 200's with a plastic house ball, he could dominate the pro circuit and easily take those half million dollar pro tourneys.