Author Topic: Are other countries known for stealing cabinet designs for commercial profit? (Read 3710 times)

voltz · « **on:** October 22, 2015, 04:43:06 am »

I know I don't really post on these forums, but recently I was browsing the listings over at Alibaba.com and one thing that caught my eye was a custom Street Fighter cab that I've traced back to Martijn's old thread. I understand he sold his with the idea of a better project in mind, but this has me wondering if the plans for his original cabinet were being shared by some other party, or did they just happen to get swiped from a database somewhere?

Auction in question - http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Street-Fighter-arcade-Machine-WSA-0905SF-_60209298843.html?spm=a2700.7724838.30.137.P3ImYk
Main site of product - http://www.sunamusement.com/product/Arcade-Machine/Upright-Arcade-Machine/Street-Fighter-arcade-Machine-64.html
Original project post - http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,84649.0/all.html?PHPSESSID=nsjrct8rqdlkvscuqlkfqh1441

I know I feel a little sick about it. The only reason for this post is because I had concern for some people and thought it might be necessary to bring it up.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #1 on:** October 22, 2015, 02:39:59 pm »

I'm not sure what you are talking about, but if you read the very first line of his thread, his was inspired by another cabinet, and if you look at THAT thread, that cabinet was a reproduction of the global cabinets.

Isn't it far more likely that they got the plans from global or they ripped off the design from them?

voltz · « **Reply #2 on:** October 22, 2015, 04:42:43 pm »

I did double check to make sure I wasn't mistaking anything. Waveryder is the one who printed all the artwork for this project and a search through google wasn't able to turn up any results unless it led right back to this place, so I'd have imagined it was a fully custom rather then any type that was being used as a global standard. If SunAmusements is the first one that I know about outside of this project to be putting any of his work onto their own cabs, well I guess that explains everything when I read they're based out of China somewhere...

pbj · « **Reply #3 on:** October 22, 2015, 04:56:44 pm »

Who cares

yotsuya · « **Reply #4 on:** October 22, 2015, 04:58:19 pm »

Quote from: pbj on October 22, 2015, 04:56:44 pm

Who cares

You mean you don't feel a little sick about it?

yotsuya · « **Reply #5 on:** October 22, 2015, 04:59:18 pm »

But seriously, if that WAS custom artwork, it completely illustrates the point that Opt2Not was trying to make last week.

voltz · « **Reply #6 on:** October 22, 2015, 05:24:07 pm »

Quote from: pbj on October 22, 2015, 04:56:44 pm

Who cares

Well obviously people who aren't so dismissive to everything.

monkeybomb · « **Reply #7 on:** October 22, 2015, 05:33:39 pm »

I would answer, but I'm far too busy dumping my own roms and creating my own video clips from all the games I have a license for. Then I have to reach out to Nintendo and Midway so I can get started on the sideart for the bitchen new vertical bartop that I got from Haruman. I also used the title "Global Thermonuclear War" on a made up default marquee that displays when the marquees I purchased and scanned aren't there yet. Who wrote War Games anyway?

opt2not · « **Reply #8 on:** October 22, 2015, 05:38:45 pm »

Quote from: yotsuya on October 22, 2015, 04:59:18 pm

But seriously, if that WAS custom artwork, it completely illustrates the point that Opt2Not was trying to make last week.

voltz · « **Reply #9 on:** October 22, 2015, 05:46:10 pm »

And just think of how folks over at Deviantart feel then they find out someone has been ripping off their work.

monkeybomb · « **Reply #10 on:** October 22, 2015, 05:57:18 pm »

You do realize that video games have artists that are real people right? Why are they less important? And you better not have an mp3 you didn't compensate the artist for. Seriously, pay everyone for their creative contributions or don't cry over a stolen design. Ideally, everyone with any gripe about this would clarify that they don't have any music or movies that they didn't pay for.

yotsuya · « **Reply #11 on:** October 22, 2015, 06:02:48 pm »

Hey, who greased up the slope?

monkeybomb · « **Reply #12 on:** October 22, 2015, 06:18:38 pm »

Quote from: yotsuya on October 22, 2015, 06:02:48 pm

Hey, who greased up the slope?

I guess me.

It's a pet peeve. There are way too many people with double standards on this. They ignore musicians, writers, actors and of course the artists from video games, only to cry about the same thing happening when they know more about the creative individual. If someone will find out if the guy who got ripped off here has never ripped off a musician, then I'm interested. Otherwise he just joined the people he rips off. Where is everyone else on mp3s? Got any?

yotsuya · « **Reply #13 on:** October 22, 2015, 06:24:34 pm »

Yes, took me a full week to rip my entire music collection... the I had to redo it because I ripped them at 320Kbps. Too big.

monkeybomb · « **Reply #14 on:** October 22, 2015, 06:33:06 pm »

Quote from: yotsuya on October 22, 2015, 06:24:34 pm

Yes, took me a full week to rip my entire music collection... the I had to redo it because I ripped them at 320Kbps. Too big.

I actually have you pegged as a guy with paid for all your stuff, other than the games you just can't buy. After all, you bought a $10 button wrench that only works from the side. There are a lot of people who pay for everything and you bought your music if you are ripping the disks yourself. I applaud that. But I think there are a lot of people who worry about ripping off creativity very selectively.

I don't know where this designer or the OP are at. They might have a right to be pissed.

yotsuya · « **Reply #15 on:** October 22, 2015, 06:35:57 pm »

I don't know, if you build a cabinet with custom artwork and turn around and sell it and it's out of your hands, I don't know if you'd have a reason to be upset.

voltz · « **Reply #16 on:** October 22, 2015, 07:04:42 pm »

I'm fine when it comes to doing customs and such, but when someone gets their work taken into full production without their knowledge, that's usually when it becomes an issue.

Previous trademarks and IP's notwithstanding.

dkersten · « **Reply #17 on:** October 23, 2015, 01:02:07 pm »

It sucks when something you spent hundreds of hours creating gets stolen and is being used for free while you are trying to make a profit from your hard work.
However, the kind of people who will download (steal) it are not the people who would buy it anyway, so in the end it really doesn't matter.

I used to pirate (steal) all kinds of things. But the games I stole I wouldn't have bought anyway. The music I stole I wouldn't have paid for or I already bought once (and lost or the media was damaged). The movies I stole I had either already seen or weren't available to buy. Is it justifiable? No. Would someone have profited from me if the piracy was stopped? No. In fact chances are if the media is worthwhile, I might tell someone who WOULD buy it that it was worthwhile and it could lead to a sale. Of course, not everyone is like me, some steal simply because it saves them money they WOULD otherwise spend.

However, piracy for the sake of giving stuff away for free is not the same as piracy that someone else profits from. If someone was selling my books for money (or trading them for something of value), I would be way more offended and far more inclined to pursue charges.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2015, 02:29:06 pm »

I can understand that, but at the same time, he doesn't have a leg to stand on because those are copyrighted and trademarked Capcom characters. I can paint a beautiful Mickey Mouse mural, but I understand full well that I can never sell prints of it because the character is owned by Disney.

So call Capcom on them is what I say.

SavannahLion · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2015, 03:52:15 pm »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on October 23, 2015, 02:29:06 pm

I can understand that, but at the same time, he doesn't have a leg to stand on because those are copyrighted and trademarked Capcom characters. I can paint a beautiful Mickey Mouse mural, but I understand full well that I can never sell prints of it because the character is owned by Disney.

I think it's more to do with a commercial venture rather than outright selling.

For instance, a local private elementary school had a collection of cartoon characters painted on the side of their building. Many of the major Disney characters but also many of the HB characters, Nintendo, etc. They were very well done but obviously not licensed. Those pictures are visible from the street as you drive by. Stayed like that for years with the ocassional new character. One day I drove by and all the Disney characters were painted over.

Saw it on the news the following day and turns out Disney sent a C&D letter to the school. Parents and staff were furious since they felt the charclacyers weren't there to make a profit. School lawyers recommended a take down due the commercial nature of the building.

Did Disney hae a leg to stand on? I don't have enough money to find out and I don't think the school did either.

pbj · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2015, 04:18:36 pm »

^ That happened.

Vigo · « **Reply #21 on:** October 23, 2015, 04:45:15 pm »

http://www.sunamusement.com/product/Arcade-Machine/Cocktail-Table-Game/Donkey-Kong-Barrel-table-games-WSA-065-75.html

They ripped off barrel o' kong and didn't bother ripping off the Vigolix? Those ---daisies---....

tomstewdevine · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2015, 04:52:43 pm »

I hope someday someone rips off my design that I ripped off from other members on here, who ripped it off from the original arcade builders, who ripped them off from slot machines, who ripped them off.........

yotsuya · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:03:23 pm »

Quote from: Vigo on October 23, 2015, 04:45:15 pm

http://www.sunamusement.com/product/Arcade-Machine/Cocktail-Table-Game/Donkey-Kong-Barrel-table-games-WSA-065-75.html

They ripped off barrel o' kong and didn't bother ripping off the Vigolix? Those ---daisies---....

Those look like "Bongos-O'-Kong".

vwalbridge · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:09:24 pm »

Quote from: yotsuya on October 23, 2015, 05:03:23 pm

Quote from: Vigo on October 23, 2015, 04:45:15 pm
http://www.sunamusement.com/product/Arcade-Machine/Cocktail-Table-Game/Donkey-Kong-Barrel-table-games-WSA-065-75.html

They ripped off barrel o' kong and didn't bother ripping off the Vigolix? Those ---daisies---....
Those look like "Bongos-O'-Kong".

Yots, please build us all a Jankey Barrel Kong.

yotsuya · « **Reply #25 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:26:22 pm »

Quote from: vwalbridge on October 23, 2015, 05:09:24 pm

Quote from: yotsuya on October 23, 2015, 05:03:23 pm
Quote from: Vigo on October 23, 2015, 04:45:15 pm
http://www.sunamusement.com/product/Arcade-Machine/Cocktail-Table-Game/Donkey-Kong-Barrel-table-games-WSA-065-75.html

They ripped off barrel o' kong and didn't bother ripping off the Vigolix? Those ---daisies---....
Those look like "Bongos-O'-Kong".

Yots, please build us all a Jankey Barrel Kong.

Naw, not a fan of the barrel design, to be honest. But those knockoffs take the cake...

Vigo · « **Reply #26 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:34:30 pm »

I love how it tells you what it is "A BARREL"

Oh yeah, and Ms Pacman is randomly there under donky kong's legs.

SavannahLion · « **Reply #27 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:39:11 pm »

Am I the only one that sees that crease right down the middle? Is that a plastic outer shell or something?

ark_ader · « **Reply #28 on:** October 24, 2015, 04:51:19 am »

Quote from: pbj on October 22, 2015, 04:56:44 pm

Who cares

This.


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